that just goes to show how good this score is, given Zimmer is considered one of the best movie score composers ever, but Goransson is also that mf. His work with Nolan in Tenet is impeccable
Ahahahaha as soon as I heard you praise Hans Zimmer early on I immediately scrolled down knowing there'd be a flurry of comments about it. Yeah Ludwig absolutely knocked it out of the park with this film's score (Tenet's too.)
Ludwig will be the goat by the time he stops making music. At the moment he is the current best composer in the world going above and beyond. He deserves his respect
It feels incredible that we still get movies like Oppenheimer from time to time. If Cillian Murphy, RDJ and Emily Blunt don’t receive the Academy Awards in their categories then I don’t know who will because that was an absolute master class in acting
yeah, I hope you are right! but the Oscars have become a 'popularity contest' voted on by people I wouldn't sit down to have lunch with! I haven't seen the Oscar presentation in years.
The moral question of dropping the bomb is impossible to answer, but it's important to remember that the Japanese were committed to fighting even though they were losing. The US had to decide between dropping the bomb or allowing the war to continue indefinitely.
In fact after the two bombs were dropped majority of the Japanies military leadership were still not willing to surrender. There was an attack on the royal palace to stop the emperor from surrendering.
I think the debate is then based on the fact that, if Japan was already losing, was the atomic bomb the most necessary course of action. From my understanding, there's valid arguments for both sides
@@everybodylovesrae_What many people do not know is that yhe US was fire bombing Japanese cities daily. Part of the reason they had to cross off potential locations for the atomic bombs, was because they were already destroyed. The difference being that thousands of bombs were dropped to destroy the cities instead of one bomb. So psychologically its different, but the end result isn't too different. A lot more Japanese civilians were killed in the bombing campain, then were killed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
@@everybodylovesrae_ now I'm thinking if this sparks curiosity and intrigue to dive into reactions to both Band of Brothers and The Pacific miniseries? That kinda fare along with the starter of it all, Saving Private Ryan? If so, there's a slew of recommendations to make, including epic sword and sandals, and space odysseys.
@@everybodylovesrae_ From a chinese standpoint, I should remind you when the bomb was droping Japan were still invaded china and the civil were killed because of Japan. Two atomic bombs stop Japan from killing more immediately.
@@hrishikeshXXVclearly you haven't done your research. It's famous that Oppenheimer heavily disagreed with his work. Hence his famous line "Some people cheered, some people cried, but most were silent. And now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds". That quote literally sums up his regret.
You have to remember that more than 80 million people were killed in the Second World War and there were serious concerns that millions would die in a theoretical invasion of Japan. Our generation cannot even contemplate what it was like living in the United States back then, wondering if a father or a husband serving overseas would be alive the next day. Almost 500,000 Americans died fighing in that war. The contemplation of the deaths of 30,000+ civilians in a single go was inconsequential by 1945 because the death and destruction wrought by World War II had made it so.
Perhaps oil embargo is again biting americans in their back slowly.. But this time the enemy also a pool of their own resources so its not working as it during ww2
The war was over, Japan was on the verge of surrendering with the Soviets who were pushing them from the west. We dropped the nukes on Japan as deterrence to Russia before a single Soviet troop set a foot on Japan. The real question is if FDR, someone who was significantly more sympatico with Stalin than the Democratic Party apparatus that installed Truman was, had lived. The shape of Asia and Europe would be very different today.
yeah, I've still got the grand prize from winning the entire city talent contest as a 17 year old: the sound track of the '60's movie "Casino Royal" on 33 and a 1/3rd on vinyl. and I have the sound track of "A Star Is Born" on CD so I can hear the song "Evergreen" over and over and over again!
@@アキコ2003 both sides committed many war crimes, as such would expect in wars of this magnitude. Still, the Atomic Bomb, the flattening of a city and killing hundreds of thousands in 2 bombs is utterly horrifying.
yes but the problem is the atomic bomb is not a normal bomb it's something that destroys life itself and an atomic war would be the end of everything. They could bombard Japan like they bombarded Germany it was really necessary to use the atomic bomb?
Don’t forget the context of just losing 10,000 American soldiers in the Pacific fighting the Japanese to the last man….completing their project meant they were saving people’s lives in their eyes.
yeah, I really like watching a movie with you! intelligent, exciting and SUPER editing! how is it I never saw you before!!?! I was watching your take on "Oppenheimer" and my phone rang. it took me forever to find you again (it seemed like forever). keep up the good work. I wish you many successes!
you really should read up more on ww2 especially the asian front. The atomic bomb was never a moral question, not really. It was either that or invade mainland japan which in all likeliness would've caused more deaths and lasted months. There is definitely an argument for choosing a target that would've minimised casualties further yes. But a lot of the risks, especially the risks from radiation only became clear years after the hit. As aaid in the movie, people only understood it after it was used
I wrote a similar comment, that I later deleted, after reading your comment. It felt that my comment was dog-piling Rae... but, your comment is more eloquently written than what I wrote. I hope she does more research, to give her the much needed context that the movie briefly touched on.
25 million civilians and combatants died in the pacific theater and the Japanese were showing no signs of surrender, they were flying their planes into American ships after running out of ammo. You have two choices, an armed offensive going all the way to Japan resulting in millions more civilians and combatants dead or scare the shit of of Japan by dropping two bombs that kill 70000 people almost instantaneously, which do you choose?
US had cracked most of Japan's encryption for communications. They had very accurate intelligence towards the end of the war. They KNEW that before dropping the bombs, Japan's military was in shambles, the front in Manchuria had collapsed and Emperor was pressuring the grand council or whatever to surrender. Among many other things. Most of the justifications for dropping the bombs were invented after the fact, unfortunately most of them are based in truth. The bombs gave opportunity to surrender while saving face... But before that Japanese officials had already devised a plan to surrender while saving face to Soviet Union through the collapsing front in Manchuria. They even were fairly confident that they could surrender conditionally.
This is a fiction created in hindsight to justify the horrific bombings. Japan was collapsing and the tides were turning towards surrender in the lead up to the bombs. The one condition they had was that they wanted to keep the emperor. We also wanted them to keep the emperor (as a puppet in order to keep Japan compliant after the surrender) but because of the hate we had drummed up over the course of the war, we had worked ourselves up to a place where we could only accept an unconditional surrender. Stalin had also signed a treaty to join in allying against Japan and we really wanted to have Japan surrender before Stalin secured a seat at the negotiating table. So, we dropped the bombs in order to save face by not accepting a negotiated surrender, and to keep Russia out of the negotiations. Even as a matter of strategy, a ground invasion was not seriously being considered. Japan’s war machine was a shattered husk of what it had been and they don’t have the natural resources in Japan to continue or restart production. If anything since their navy was in shambles we could’ve blockaded them into surrender. But by that time Russia would’ve engaged Japanese forces and secured a seat at the negotiating table.
@@01HondaS2kXD Utterly false. Even after both bombings, the Imperial Army tried to stage a coup to prevent surrender. They came within meters of intercepting the surrender decree inside the Imperial palace. Even once surrender was confirmed by the Emperor, top military officials committed seppuku rather than personally obey. The fanaticism of Imperial Japan is hard to fathom, and this idea that they were "teetering" is sheer revisionist fantasy. Okinawa, which wasn't even part of the land considered "sacred" by the Empire, was the costliest single battle ever fought by American troops, and yet was inflicted by a force that you describe as being on its knees. As for Stalin, Japan's land forces in Asia were relatively static even up to the very end of the war. The regular Army in control of Northern China and Korea had fared strategically much better than operations at sea and on islands. Let that statement sink in: The force that inflicted the Battle of Okinawa was the _weaker_ branch of the Japanese military, that American naval supremacy was able to totally dominate. Costliest battle in our nation's history...against the weaker Imperial force...after years of softening up...and after achieving total logistical supremacy. But you think they were about to cave if we just asked them a little more nicely. I call that a "radical interpretation" of the text.
1) The idea of there being millions of US casualties was fabricated after the war 2) US commisions that investigated the effect of terror bombing concluded that they did bot break civilian resolve, and instead strengthened it.
There were histories I didn't even know and this film thankfully changed it all up, like I had thought he was a straight up demented madman admiring his work with a quote but it turns out with greater context on that small short famous quoting video, he was actually somber!
@@everybodylovesrae_ Not much disrespect, he is actually Hans Zimmer Apprentice, Hans himself recommended him to Nolan when he chose to do the score for Dune instead of Tenet, and Nolan kept him for this film too for obvious reasons, he can be as good as Zimmer. tho I do hope Zimmer comes back to do another one at some point
Apples have been a metaphor for knowledge and I think 🤔 it's quite genius that a movie about arguably the worst inventions ever have a scene suggesting poisoning knowledge or poisonous knowledge... It's pretty clever.
This movie is absolutely what it is because of not only Göransson, but also the sound team. Both work together to create that sense of tension. And despite all the amazing acting performances, it would not have as good.
It’s interesting because what Oppenheimer said about the bomb earlier in the movie (bringing peace) is true till this day because great world powers have not fought each other since World War II. The feeling he has in the second half of the movie is also interesting because it hasn’t come true yet but nuclear destruction will happen at some point.
The bomb did in its own way destroy the world. The big powers have been locked in constant war ever since. They simply fight them via proxies. The bomb prevented and continues to prevent outright global war like we saw before it but* the rate of wars has only increased post detonation.
@@boogaloobaloo the rate of wars hasn't increased at all. It's been decreasing ever since. We've live in one of the most peaceful times in human history. 2019 had the least violent conflicts in all of human history in any year if I recall correctly. The bomb bought us several generations to sort our shit out.
Loved the reaction but you should read up on why we actually used the bomb.. millions would have died if we had to invade Japan.. they were never going to surrender.
That's been disproved enough times. I'd recommend the video 'dropping the bomb: Hiroshima and Nagasaki' by Shaun it's long af but goes into really good detail about why that's not the case
And in response to that, I would recommend "Downfall" by Richard B. Frank, wherein he thoroughly disproves the "inevitable surrender" theory. The ruling Japanese military junta sent a fact-finding mission to Hiroshima and discussed plans for continuing the war all the way up until the 13th - the holdouts had no intention of surrender, planned to assassinate any rival politicians who suggested it, and in the end only gave in on the Emperor's wishes.
Throwing my hat into the ring, Potential History's video "Why Japan Surrendered" gives a brief, but compelling explanation for how it took both the Soviet invasion of Machuria *and* the atomic bombs to convince the Japanese army and government, respectively, to surrender.
@@davidbrunning1120after the dropping of the bombs the Japanese minister of war did not surrender, the emperor of Japan had to overstep him and unconditionally surrender
If the Americans have to invade it was estimated the almost 100k American would of been lost. Somebody wrote 10k in the comments, they don't know their history
I didnt manage to get around to seeing this in a cinema. I was holding out for an opportunity to view on IMAX, approx 2hours away from my town. Life got in the way I guess. Anyway if I was walking out that theater after this, I would totally understand people who saw it with me opting to go straight to the booth to get tickets for the next Barbie movie viewing, gotta shake the weight of this movie with some fun and levity. Barbenhiemer was a really good weekend for the cinema industry, not to mention the weeks that followed. Oddly enough a perfect "pairing"
Gotta see it for myself first! I wonder if this will spark a boom on the channel to watch Cillian's films and series he's been in, the rest of the stellar cast's films they've been in individually, or the director's previous films! On the channel. In any case, I hope it blows up in the best way possible! 🎉 Can't wait to see it myself so I can hop back in for the shared experience! Awesome unexpected reaction! 🌌 🚀 💣 ☀️
You need to watch the vid "The fallen of the ww2" to give you some context on the situation generally with WW2 and why this weapon was needed and how it has created what now is called the long peace.
I'll say the Netflix ten-part Greatest Events of World War II is a primer. And it's harrowing. I dunno if I necessarily recommend it to enjoy but its so informative but harrowing. Anyway, I do recommend a short glimpse of findable archived historical interviews with Oppenheimer himself and his demeanor and context he provides on the project and brief interviews with director and cast for the reasoning and stakes behind the work. I had thought Oppy was a madman in that famous quote then realized the greater context of his reaction.
If you interested in learning more about Oppenheimer’s life I highly recommend the book American Prometheus by Kai Bird and Martin Sherwin. It’s a fascinating read! 🙂
Yes! The press for this film and the released archive post-war interviews shifted my thinking on the man from the slight context of his famous quoting of the Bhagavad Gita truncated and giving me the impression of a madman admiring this horrific possibly world ending invention with awe. But I realized it was actually sooner in the context of his later unassuming post-war interviews!
It would have been more interesting at the end if it would have shown , the first report of tge current nine nuclear states testing their first nuclear device with oppenheimer monologue at the background..
Love your video. There will be massive competition at the Oscars this year. Best Actor and Best Supporting Actor in particular are proving to be hugely competitive. I also recommend KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON (directed by Martin Scorsese) as well. A great year not only for big name directors but also a major year for stories reckoning with consequences of the past as well. These are my Top 2 favorites of the year so far (KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON at #1 and OPPENHEIMER at #2)
"Sure we destabilized them over the course of a decade, alienated the entire population and crippled their economy, but we're the victims here. They went mad, we had to stop them." - Every world power for the last 1000 years.
"achievement" I am italian-japanese, sorry. I consider the bad guy Harry Truman. In defense of US army, they would have used the bomb away from civilians causing no harm, but showing a manifest. Truman wanted to destroy and kill. As for Robert Oppenheimer, I don't really know, I think he pursued science because he had the opportunity, but ultimately he was put in the condition of being the one who made it, while he was one of those who made it. Nobody talks really much about what happened in Japan, it's not a topic they just pop out of nowhere. This film is not even distributed in Japan. The Emperor declared the war over on radio stating that keeping to fight would have meant the complete destruction of the world, but for most soldiers surrender was not acceptable. I only wish humanity could live in peace, the world is one. Nobody is right in war. Although humanity never learns. Thank you for your reaction, and empathy. Thank you.
Outside of the moral implications, that test was an amazing scientific achievement and ushered in the atomic age. Splitting the atom is the next level in civilization in many ways. So yeah, I'd probably cheer if i was one of those scientists. The problem, of course, is whether or not we can stop from killing each other in order to harness the science for a greater good. In and of itself the atomic test was not moral or immoral. It is what man chooses to do with it is where the problem lies. Atomic power is an inevitability. War was changed forever. We now have proxy wars and wars at a smaller scale. I'm not saying a WW3 is impossible. Ultimately I don't blame Oppenheimer. He was a complicated individual living in complicated circumstances.
Youre not supposed to feel bad for Oppenheimer. The man made a weapon that killed hundreds of thousands in the blink of an eye, some tough questions in a dusty meeting room are nothing. Like she says: "You don’t get to commit the sin and get us to feel sorry for you because it has consequences"
It's not simple, it's a matter of choice. What would be your choice for this race? The USA or the Nazis? We are talking about wartime, so - "none" - is not valid as an answer.
I feel like you're not supposed to anything when you watch this movie except form your own opinion. I remember I didn't understand if I was supposed to root for Robert or not before I was halfway in and thats when I realised that I myself should have to decide. You're supposed to understand why people did what they did, not necessarily agree. Thats my understanding at least.
@@brennoviana444 The Nazis were never close to getting the bomb. They still used it after Germany had fallen too. Not to mention Oppenheimers blase attitude towards Soviet Unions spies led to them getting the bomb also, another brutal regime that had already killed as many as the Germans.
I can tell you have a strong moral values, even after what happpend in the Nova festival, you find a way to support the freedom fighters of Palestine, you are so enlightened and brave!
The movie" fat man little boy" is 100% better movie about Oppenheimer and the Bomb. Every new movie today with Hollywood is sex, sex sex. This movie tells you nothing about Oppenheimer and his battles with Gen.Groves while developing the Bomb
there is literally a sex scene that lasts for less than 10 seconds. Jesus people can’t handle anything explicit, like “oh no not a normal aspect of life being shown on screen in a non-detailed way”
JUSTICE FOR LUDWIG GORANSSON, PLEASE FORGIVE ME
that just goes to show how good this score is, given Zimmer is considered one of the best movie score composers ever, but Goransson is also that mf. His work with Nolan in Tenet is impeccable
Ahahahaha as soon as I heard you praise Hans Zimmer early on I immediately scrolled down knowing there'd be a flurry of comments about it. Yeah Ludwig absolutely knocked it out of the park with this film's score (Tenet's too.)
@VelocityLP yeah, but to be fair, he only completed Tenet tomorrow so...
Ludwig will be the goat by the time he stops making music. At the moment he is the current best composer in the world going above and beyond. He deserves his respect
Oh you're forgiven. It's amazing when a creator calls themselves out and that shows humility. I love it.
It was actually Ludwig Göransson that did the music for the movie, no complaints though he knocked it out of the park
clearly I need to fact check my shit lol, sorry to this man! thanks for letting me know
Of award winning Mando fame? Wow!!
@@everybodylovesrae_he's the guy from mandolorian so he's also an epic music guy
I don’t blame her for thinking that though; Zimmer was a very frequent Nolan collaborator.
Low-key I prefer Ludwig; he plays around a lot more with his motifs and melodies while Hans is more on that "soundscape" stuff these days
It feels incredible that we still get movies like Oppenheimer from time to time. If Cillian Murphy, RDJ and Emily Blunt don’t receive the Academy Awards in their categories then I don’t know who will because that was an absolute master class in acting
they're coming for that oscars sweep, I can feel it!
yeah, I hope you are right! but the Oscars have become a 'popularity contest' voted on by people I wouldn't sit down to have lunch with! I haven't seen the Oscar presentation in years.
That’s Christopher Nolan for you
The moral question of dropping the bomb is impossible to answer, but it's important to remember that the Japanese were committed to fighting even though they were losing. The US had to decide between dropping the bomb or allowing the war to continue indefinitely.
In fact after the two bombs were dropped majority of the Japanies military leadership were still not willing to surrender. There was an attack on the royal palace to stop the emperor from surrendering.
I think the debate is then based on the fact that, if Japan was already losing, was the atomic bomb the most necessary course of action. From my understanding, there's valid arguments for both sides
@@everybodylovesrae_What many people do not know is that yhe US was fire bombing Japanese cities daily. Part of the reason they had to cross off potential locations for the atomic bombs, was because they were already destroyed.
The difference being that thousands of bombs were dropped to destroy the cities instead of one bomb. So psychologically its different, but the end result isn't too different. A lot more Japanese civilians were killed in the bombing campain, then were killed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
@@everybodylovesrae_ now I'm thinking if this sparks curiosity and intrigue to dive into reactions to both Band of Brothers and The Pacific miniseries? That kinda fare along with the starter of it all, Saving Private Ryan? If so, there's a slew of recommendations to make, including epic sword and sandals, and space odysseys.
@@everybodylovesrae_ From a chinese standpoint, I should remind you when the bomb was droping Japan were still invaded china and the civil were killed because of Japan. Two atomic bombs stop Japan from killing more immediately.
I saw some people say “It doesn’t really seem like he regretted it.” … That’s literally every moment after the Trinity bomb exploded. Regret.
in the movie yeah. real life not so much
@@hrishikeshXXVclearly you haven't done your research. It's famous that Oppenheimer heavily disagreed with his work. Hence his famous line "Some people cheered, some people cried, but most were silent. And now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds". That quote literally sums up his regret.
@@hrishikeshXXV Did you know him?
You have to remember that more than 80 million people were killed in the Second World War and there were serious concerns that millions would die in a theoretical invasion of Japan. Our generation cannot even contemplate what it was like living in the United States back then, wondering if a father or a husband serving overseas would be alive the next day. Almost 500,000 Americans died fighing in that war. The contemplation of the deaths of 30,000+ civilians in a single go was inconsequential by 1945 because the death and destruction wrought by World War II had made it so.
Perhaps oil embargo is again biting americans in their back slowly.. But this time the enemy also a pool of their own resources so its not working as it during ww2
The war was over, Japan was on the verge of surrendering with the Soviets who were pushing them from the west. We dropped the nukes on Japan as deterrence to Russia before a single Soviet troop set a foot on Japan.
The real question is if FDR, someone who was significantly more sympatico with Stalin than the Democratic Party apparatus that installed Truman was, had lived. The shape of Asia and Europe would be very different today.
Yeah and the majority were Soviets killed by nazis, and Asians killed by the Japanese.
"I'm a whore for scores" lmaoooo same tho
yeah, I've still got the grand prize from winning the entire city talent contest as a 17 year old: the sound track of the '60's movie "Casino Royal" on 33 and a 1/3rd on vinyl. and I have the sound track of "A Star Is Born" on CD so I can hear the song "Evergreen" over and over and over again!
A #Scwhore! ⚽️ 🏟 🏀
I’d like to add that the Japanese massacres and war crimes were as brutal and dehumanizing as the nazis
Irrelevant to this movie.
So were the American massacres
@@アキコ2003 both sides committed many war crimes, as such would expect in wars of this magnitude. Still, the Atomic Bomb, the flattening of a city and killing hundreds of thousands in 2 bombs is utterly horrifying.
What the Japanese did to the people of China, is the stuff of nightmares
yes but the problem is the atomic bomb is not a normal bomb it's something that destroys life itself and an atomic war would be the end of everything. They could bombard Japan like they bombarded Germany it was really necessary to use the atomic bomb?
@@littlemouse7066 They did bombard Japan, and the consequence of that was arguably even more devastating to the civilians than the atomic bombs.
The feeling you had at the end, that you couldn't put into words, that's existential dread.
Don’t forget the context of just losing 10,000 American soldiers in the Pacific fighting the Japanese to the last man….completing their project meant they were saving people’s lives in their eyes.
Hind sight is always 20-20
yeah, I really like watching a movie with you! intelligent, exciting and SUPER editing! how is it I never saw you before!!?! I was watching your take on "Oppenheimer" and my phone rang. it took me forever to find you again (it seemed like forever). keep up the good work. I wish you many successes!
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Actually Rae, I hate to correct you but that's not Hans Zimmer, it's Ludwig Goransson.
i actually thought it was zimmer since it was nolan... but was surprised when i saw the credits. goransson has been on a tear lately.
its forgiven since Ludwig has only done Tenet and Oppenheimer with Nolan, most people still think its Hans
Oppenheimer wasn't too far off. The time period since the bomb was dropped is arguably the most peaceful in known human history.
And even then we have the war on Ukraine and Gaza-Israel and others like Syria, Yemen...
you really should read up more on ww2 especially the asian front. The atomic bomb was never a moral question, not really. It was either that or invade mainland japan which in all likeliness would've caused more deaths and lasted months.
There is definitely an argument for choosing a target that would've minimised casualties further yes. But a lot of the risks, especially the risks from radiation only became clear years after the hit. As aaid in the movie, people only understood it after it was used
I wrote a similar comment, that I later deleted, after reading your comment. It felt that my comment was dog-piling Rae... but, your comment is more eloquently written than what I wrote. I hope she does more research, to give her the much needed context that the movie briefly touched on.
25 million civilians and combatants died in the pacific theater and the Japanese were showing no signs of surrender, they were flying their planes into American ships after running out of ammo.
You have two choices, an armed offensive going all the way to Japan resulting in millions more civilians and combatants dead or scare the shit of of Japan by dropping two bombs that kill 70000 people almost instantaneously, which do you choose?
US had cracked most of Japan's encryption for communications. They had very accurate intelligence towards the end of the war. They KNEW that before dropping the bombs, Japan's military was in shambles, the front in Manchuria had collapsed and Emperor was pressuring the grand council or whatever to surrender. Among many other things. Most of the justifications for dropping the bombs were invented after the fact, unfortunately most of them are based in truth. The bombs gave opportunity to surrender while saving face... But before that Japanese officials had already devised a plan to surrender while saving face to Soviet Union through the collapsing front in Manchuria. They even were fairly confident that they could surrender conditionally.
This is a fiction created in hindsight to justify the horrific bombings. Japan was collapsing and the tides were turning towards surrender in the lead up to the bombs. The one condition they had was that they wanted to keep the emperor. We also wanted them to keep the emperor (as a puppet in order to keep Japan compliant after the surrender) but because of the hate we had drummed up over the course of the war, we had worked ourselves up to a place where we could only accept an unconditional surrender. Stalin had also signed a treaty to join in allying against Japan and we really wanted to have Japan surrender before Stalin secured a seat at the negotiating table. So, we dropped the bombs in order to save face by not accepting a negotiated surrender, and to keep Russia out of the negotiations.
Even as a matter of strategy, a ground invasion was not seriously being considered. Japan’s war machine was a shattered husk of what it had been and they don’t have the natural resources in Japan to continue or restart production. If anything since their navy was in shambles we could’ve blockaded them into surrender. But by that time Russia would’ve engaged Japanese forces and secured a seat at the negotiating table.
@@01HondaS2kXD Utterly false. Even after both bombings, the Imperial Army tried to stage a coup to prevent surrender. They came within meters of intercepting the surrender decree inside the Imperial palace. Even once surrender was confirmed by the Emperor, top military officials committed seppuku rather than personally obey. The fanaticism of Imperial Japan is hard to fathom, and this idea that they were "teetering" is sheer revisionist fantasy. Okinawa, which wasn't even part of the land considered "sacred" by the Empire, was the costliest single battle ever fought by American troops, and yet was inflicted by a force that you describe as being on its knees.
As for Stalin, Japan's land forces in Asia were relatively static even up to the very end of the war. The regular Army in control of Northern China and Korea had fared strategically much better than operations at sea and on islands. Let that statement sink in: The force that inflicted the Battle of Okinawa was the _weaker_ branch of the Japanese military, that American naval supremacy was able to totally dominate. Costliest battle in our nation's history...against the weaker Imperial force...after years of softening up...and after achieving total logistical supremacy.
But you think they were about to cave if we just asked them a little more nicely. I call that a "radical interpretation" of the text.
1) The idea of there being millions of US casualties was fabricated after the war
2) US commisions that investigated the effect of terror bombing concluded that they did bot break civilian resolve, and instead strengthened it.
Great reaction, you tried your best with the history and politics lol. Wouldn’t mind a non- history girl dabble in some historical films 🙌🏻🙌🏻
There were histories I didn't even know and this film thankfully changed it all up, like I had thought he was a straight up demented madman admiring his work with a quote but it turns out with greater context on that small short famous quoting video, he was actually somber!
Hans Zimmer didn't do this one, it was Ludwig Göransson.
the disrespect for Ludwig omg i'm embarrassed
@@everybodylovesrae_ Not much disrespect, he is actually Hans Zimmer Apprentice, Hans himself recommended him to Nolan when he chose to do the score for Dune instead of Tenet, and Nolan kept him for this film too for obvious reasons, he can be as good as Zimmer. tho I do hope Zimmer comes back to do another one at some point
Mando is about to pull up and claim the bounty on you lmao. Justice for Ludwig
Saw this movie in IMAX and it was an incredible experience!
Apples have been a metaphor for knowledge and I think 🤔 it's quite genius that a movie about arguably the worst inventions ever have a scene suggesting poisoning knowledge or poisonous knowledge... It's pretty clever.
Biblical allegories....fruit of knowledge and the snake. Trinity...
This movie is absolutely what it is because of not only Göransson, but also the sound team. Both work together to create that sense of tension. And despite all the amazing acting performances, it would not have as good.
It’s interesting because what Oppenheimer said about the bomb earlier in the movie (bringing peace) is true till this day because great world powers have not fought each other since World War II. The feeling he has in the second half of the movie is also interesting because it hasn’t come true yet but nuclear destruction will happen at some point.
The bomb did in its own way destroy the world. The big powers have been locked in constant war ever since. They simply fight them via proxies. The bomb prevented and continues to prevent outright global war like we saw before it but* the rate of wars has only increased post detonation.
@@boogaloobaloo the rate of wars hasn't increased at all. It's been decreasing ever since. We've live in one of the most peaceful times in human history. 2019 had the least violent conflicts in all of human history in any year if I recall correctly.
The bomb bought us several generations to sort our shit out.
Well damn this was unexpected
12:07 “is this man wearing eye liner” no those are just Benny Safdie’s eyes 😍
I used to have the same thing, super-thick lashes that made it look like I was constantly wearing eyeliner
Loved the reaction but you should read up on why we actually used the bomb.. millions would have died if we had to invade Japan.. they were never going to surrender.
A utilitarian position. The nukes ended the war. 60 million lives were already lost as a result of the war, the war had to be stopped.
That's been disproved enough times. I'd recommend the video 'dropping the bomb: Hiroshima and Nagasaki' by Shaun it's long af but goes into really good detail about why that's not the case
And in response to that, I would recommend "Downfall" by Richard B. Frank, wherein he thoroughly disproves the "inevitable surrender" theory.
The ruling Japanese military junta sent a fact-finding mission to Hiroshima and discussed plans for continuing the war all the way up until the 13th - the holdouts had no intention of surrender, planned to assassinate any rival politicians who suggested it, and in the end only gave in on the Emperor's wishes.
Throwing my hat into the ring, Potential History's video "Why Japan Surrendered" gives a brief, but compelling explanation for how it took both the Soviet invasion of Machuria *and* the atomic bombs to convince the Japanese army and government, respectively, to surrender.
@@davidbrunning1120after the dropping of the bombs the Japanese minister of war did not surrender, the emperor of Japan had to overstep him and unconditionally surrender
3:20 did she really just say "okay HANSS"??????????????????????????????????//
so loud and so wrong lmao
@@everybodylovesrae_ I'd be surprised if there wasn't a Die Hard reference insert in there somewhere...
If the Americans have to invade it was estimated the almost 100k American would of been lost. Somebody wrote 10k in the comments, they don't know their history
“OKAY HANS I SEE YOU” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 😂😂😂😂
Some didnt know what they worked on so it might be why he throws up. 25:45
I didnt manage to get around to seeing this in a cinema. I was holding out for an opportunity to view on IMAX, approx 2hours away from my town. Life got in the way I guess. Anyway if I was walking out that theater after this, I would totally understand people who saw it with me opting to go straight to the booth to get tickets for the next Barbie movie viewing, gotta shake the weight of this movie with some fun and levity. Barbenhiemer was a really good weekend for the cinema industry, not to mention the weeks that followed. Oddly enough a perfect "pairing"
Gotta see it for myself first! I wonder if this will spark a boom on the channel to watch Cillian's films and series he's been in, the rest of the stellar cast's films they've been in individually, or the director's previous films! On the channel. In any case, I hope it blows up in the best way possible! 🎉 Can't wait to see it myself so I can hop back in for the shared experience! Awesome unexpected reaction! 🌌 🚀 💣 ☀️
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Now I've become the death, the destroyer of the worlds.
29:58 is the music from 'sanam teri kasm' ?
I actually cried for real at the theater during the hall scene after the bomb😭
that's so real of you
Cillian Murphy, the director and the editor plus the sound were incredible!
Ludwig's gonna come for You, THIS IS THE WAY.
25:42 That image is very godly. Divine power stuff. A god bears it all
You need to watch the vid "The fallen of the ww2" to give you some context on the situation generally with WW2 and why this weapon was needed and how it has created what now is called the long peace.
I know why it was needed! I just don't like war lol
I'll say the Netflix ten-part Greatest Events of World War II is a primer. And it's harrowing. I dunno if I necessarily recommend it to enjoy but its so informative but harrowing. Anyway, I do recommend a short glimpse of findable archived historical interviews with Oppenheimer himself and his demeanor and context he provides on the project and brief interviews with director and cast for the reasoning and stakes behind the work. I had thought Oppy was a madman in that famous quote then realized the greater context of his reaction.
the hole film feels like a trailer that lasts 3 hours
Everybody?
If you interested in learning more about Oppenheimer’s life I highly recommend the book American Prometheus by Kai Bird and Martin Sherwin. It’s a fascinating read! 🙂
Yes! The press for this film and the released archive post-war interviews shifted my thinking on the man from the slight context of his famous quoting of the Bhagavad Gita truncated and giving me the impression of a madman admiring this horrific possibly world ending invention with awe. But I realized it was actually sooner in the context of his later unassuming post-war interviews!
HANS 💀
Strauss was a great man in many ways; but his hatred of Oppenheimer was a big flaw
sometimes you just can't help being a hater lol he was real for that
Feynman and his goddamn bongos. feynmaaaaaaaaaan >:|
That was Feynman??
It would have been more interesting at the end if it would have shown , the first report of tge current nine nuclear states testing their first nuclear device with oppenheimer monologue at the background..
You should make a movie.
@@PeturMag about ?
nope that would absolutely ruin the whole flow of the film.
Consider, looking back, that this movie was put beside Barbie.
You might as well have put a barbie doll next to the bomb test
Pretty good reaction. The subtitles probably did help... 🎈
After I saw the movie in theaters, I had an urge to rewatch the sci-fi classic The Day the Earth Stood Still because of their similar themes
Strauss vs Oppenheimer ... sort of. You liked the acting, sound etc ;-)
Love your video. There will be massive competition at the Oscars this year. Best Actor and Best Supporting Actor in particular are proving to be hugely competitive. I also recommend KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON (directed by Martin Scorsese) as well. A great year not only for big name directors but also a major year for stories reckoning with consequences of the past as well. These are my Top 2 favorites of the year so far (KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON at #1 and OPPENHEIMER at #2)
"So we are just finding new people to target?" Welcome to US foreign policy 101
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"Sure we destabilized them over the course of a decade, alienated the entire population and crippled their economy, but we're the victims here. They went mad, we had to stop them."
- Every world power for the last 1000 years.
"achievement"
I am italian-japanese, sorry. I consider the bad guy Harry Truman. In defense of US army, they would have used the bomb away from civilians causing no harm, but showing a manifest. Truman wanted to destroy and kill. As for Robert Oppenheimer, I don't really know, I think he pursued science because he had the opportunity, but ultimately he was put in the condition of being the one who made it, while he was one of those who made it. Nobody talks really much about what happened in Japan, it's not a topic they just pop out of nowhere. This film is not even distributed in Japan. The Emperor declared the war over on radio stating that keeping to fight would have meant the complete destruction of the world, but for most soldiers surrender was not acceptable.
I only wish humanity could live in peace, the world is one. Nobody is right in war. Although humanity never learns.
Thank you for your reaction, and empathy. Thank you.
The film is now going to be in Japan
If this is chilling, you should watch the Desert Rock Nuclear Tests. Shit outshone the sun in midday. Charlie Dean Archives has good footage
I did go to cinema 1st show and chatted up a girl afterwards that was nics. I love rdj and all the cameos of famous actors.
Damn... man got that Oppie rizz.
And Josh peck and Rodrick
Outside of the moral implications, that test was an amazing scientific achievement and ushered in the atomic age. Splitting the atom is the next level in civilization in many ways. So yeah, I'd probably cheer if i was one of those scientists.
The problem, of course, is whether or not we can stop from killing each other in order to harness the science for a greater good. In and of itself the atomic test was not moral or immoral. It is what man chooses to do with it is where the problem lies.
Atomic power is an inevitability. War was changed forever. We now have proxy wars and wars at a smaller scale. I'm not saying a WW3 is impossible.
Ultimately I don't blame Oppenheimer. He was a complicated individual living in complicated circumstances.
I feel they doing the same with A I
Youre not supposed to feel bad for Oppenheimer. The man made a weapon that killed hundreds of thousands in the blink of an eye, some tough questions in a dusty meeting room are nothing.
Like she says: "You don’t get to commit the sin and get us to feel sorry for you because it has consequences"
It's not simple, it's a matter of choice. What would be your choice for this race? The USA or the Nazis? We are talking about wartime, so - "none" - is not valid as an answer.
I feel like you're not supposed to anything when you watch this movie except form your own opinion. I remember I didn't understand if I was supposed to root for Robert or not before I was halfway in and thats when I realised that I myself should have to decide. You're supposed to understand why people did what they did, not necessarily agree. Thats my understanding at least.
I agree to an extent, it never seems like he regretted it imo.
@@levacco3733 Oh, I was always on Team Robert.
@@brennoviana444 The Nazis were never close to getting the bomb. They still used it after Germany had fallen too.
Not to mention Oppenheimers blase attitude towards Soviet Unions spies led to them getting the bomb also, another brutal regime that had already killed as many as the Germans.
Check out American Splendor for something completely opposite and less grand but deeply personal.
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The same guy did mandolorian did the score for this movie 😊
he ate!
I can tell you have a strong moral values, even after what happpend in the Nova festival, you find a way to support the freedom fighters of Palestine, you are so enlightened and brave!
thank you for your support of Palestine
An orange guy’s inaction is responsible for 500K+ American lives in 2020 yet many don’t feel anxiety and want him back😒
The movie" fat man little boy" is 100% better movie about Oppenheimer and the Bomb. Every new movie today with Hollywood is sex, sex sex. This movie tells you nothing about Oppenheimer and his battles with Gen.Groves while developing the Bomb
there is literally a sex scene that lasts for less than 10 seconds. Jesus people can’t handle anything explicit, like “oh no not a normal aspect of life being shown on screen in a non-detailed way”
lol
@@JakeMastersslol people are cool with violence, but a little sex scene and people lose their minds
Yea but Oppenheimer is a better movie lol. Also a 5 second sex scene should not bother anyone
@@JakeMasterss idk why everyone so prudish about sex, certainly christianity influence for sure
How is it possible anyone that made it past the 4th grade does not know this?
ugh i know, it's crazy!!
Is 5th grade that tough to get to?