I'm always surprised when Sungmin from Super Junior isn't mentioned in discussions like this. He essentially got kicked from SJ unofficially just because people got mad when he married. So many rumors went around about him "shoving his relationship in fans' faces." True or not, the fact he got taken out of the group over it is still wild to me.
Imo its hard to say. Like i love hearing that idols are happy and have found love. And i feel that it will hopefully some day allow things to change with how kpop fans look at dating news etc but also in the meantime it is causing issues and stuff so its hard to say if they should or shouldnt. But i do think they shouldn't be forced to announce it and should be allowed their privacy which is why i cant stand dispatch
If an Idol decides to go public with their relationship, i'll be happy for them as long they aren't dating someone who is genuinly a bad individual or minor.
The thing for me is that all the "against" arguments are so short sighted. Everything about their careers taking a hit or their safety being compromized hinges on the fact that the relationship NEVER gets revealed, which is impossible. With how hounded they are, someone will see them eventually. OR if the relationship gets very serious and long term, it's not sustainable to pretend to be single forever always looking over your shoulder for the rest of your career. If a longterm relationship gets revealed, "fans" feel betrayed because they've been "lying" for so long. If a short term relationship gets revealed fans will do all they can to end it, usually successfully. Like, it's a lose-lose situation and to keep playing into it is also unsustainable. Idols are human, and start their careers young. It's simply INHUMANE that they should should have to choose between not experiencing any of the relevant developmental milestones for young adults (love, sex and relationships for example) or to do it, but risk their careers should it "come out". And it ALWAYS comes out. I think normalization is the only way to go in the end. But then again, I wouldn't really ask anyone to take the risk. But until idols can either reveal their relationships when they want, or keep it to themselves without people calling them liars and traitors, nothing will get better. So I guess the problem isn't really wether or not idols reveal their relationships (or have them exposed against their will) it's that both scenarios are so cruel to the idols themselves. Imagine living like that. In the end, I think your take is the only reasonable one, that idols should be allowed to reveal or not depending on what they are comfortable with, without all hell breaking lose in either case. But for that, it's not the idols who have to change, it's the fans.
i think i mostly agree with your opinion on the matter. if the idols made the decision to be privet, good, if they want to go public, that's also good. however, i want to add this to the discussion: i think the idols should be smart about it. Because there are some idols, like Karina or Jennie, that we all just know they will receive backlash if they go public with relationships (as we have seen happen already). Then, there are other idols, usually more seasoned people in the industry, that won't receive such treatment. Jihyo for example, recently it was announced she's dating that athlete guy - and as far as I have seen and heard, there isn't hate train towards her and people are even supportive. so i think there is better and worse timing when such thing can be announced (in the meaning of the idol's age). Of course, this is not always true and Jennie is a veterean in the industry like Jihyo but they had very different treatments from fans. And even such things can't always be predicted... I personally would have never expected an idol like Chen to receive such immense hate for his marriage. He's my ult bias in EXO but he's far from being the most popular member (at least globally... i have no idea what's the situation in Korea). Plus, as sad as it may sounds, it's all up to popularity, image and visuals. Many people worship Karina's visual (and she's aespa's most popular member), Jennie is the 3rd generation it girl and so on. Jihyo doesn't have the same reputation. What's interesting for me is Jisoo's case. Last year it was announced she's dating some Korean actor and I was shocked to see the GUY receiving backlash and not the girl. It was a hot topic ofc because of Jisoo's status. But if they didn't broke up after a few months, I'm pretty sure the general public would have settled with them. This is due to the fact Jisoo has completely different image than her bandmate Jennie and even tho they're in the same group, they had completly different reactions to dating news. What I'm trying to say in short: some idols can pull off to go public with their relationship and it can work for them (Jihyo, Jisoo and I think Joy from Red Velvet has a boyfriend for many years?). And for some idols is strongly advisable to keep their relationships to themselves (until they retire/are more seasoned in the industry) because the backlash is just not worth it (Karina, Jennie). BUT we should acknowledge that sometimes this just can't be predicted and the public to react very negatively regardless (Chen).
Part of me thinks they should reveal it as soon as the relationship gets serious cause with how bad sasaengs have got in recent years and with dispatch it will be revealed whether they like it or not. But to the fans that get annoyed at their idols dating. All my favourite love songs are written from experience. In the all art forms emotion is so important to get the message across. So my point is, do you want quality music or not?
i don't care whether they announce it or not really, after it's their business, but if they announce it then I wish they wouldn't get hate for it and such. Really, i wish that it was normalized more than anything
If more and more idols announce that they are dating, wouldn't it be hard for the haters to do something about it?? Also it would just become "normal" right?? Wouldn't that just fix the issue??
With older, more famous idols, it’s more doable. The fans are going to (hopefully) be a bit more mature, on average, and the fandom is big enough to withstand some butthurt fans. Still, the financial incentives make it so that there is no upside in revealing dating news. The more deluded the fan, the better the customer.
I don't care at all about idols dating or personal lives but i think for the sake of their careers that they should not reveal their relationship to the public as not only is That private information but as we have seen on numerous occasions prevously revealing they're relationship (especially if it is romantic) could literally tear the idol's career apart because these toxic and DELUSIONAL stans act like the idols belong to them
The HSH and (insert jerk's name) situation, say whatever you want but both women made total fools of themselves fighting because of a guy that wasn't worth a rotting animal carcass. As a person with somewhat of a life experience hyeri starting shi being a public figure and all was a red flag for me. Even though HSH made a dumb career move writing a whole essay in response to her, I can't help but feel sorry for her and also applaud her for being honest and trying to connect with hyeri to sort the situation amongst themselves (and she ghosted her in turn) and most of all, dumping that weirdo.
Idols should be free to be as private or unprivate as they are comfortable being with their personal lives. I wholeheartedly agree with your viewpoint.
The whole kpop marketing should change accordingly and stop with the parasocial relationship. One Direction members dated for almost all the time they were in the group and still do now and it has never made them lose fans so i hope we can get there at some point but I do remember that their girlfriend received a lot of hate...
For me it depends on how long they date/how serious they feel about each other because we know it can hurt the relationship and their work (like han Soo hee even though an idol still lost a lot of work because of this). And also to get out of the heteronormativity of this conversation some idol that could maybe have an LGBTQ+ relationship and it could actually be dangerous for them to share their relationship. But then I think it's hard to have this discussion when 90% times they're not the ones CHOSING to go public
Oh real, potentially if things go completely in the opposite direction we'd then have issues with people being suspicious of idols who haven't been public about partners and theorising they're gay which could then lead to beard relationships. At least now everyone kind of has to keep relationships secret regardless of sexuality
It's overdue to normalize dating behavior of celebrities and idols. People truly are delusional about the life of famous people. I highly respect EXO's Chen for his life decisions. I respect him more for his hard working attitude and the ability to give so much joy to us fans with his talent and work ethics.
I feel like if it’s because they want to share their relationships then that’s perfectly fine. If they want to let their fans know that they’re dating without revealing who they’re dating that’s perfectly fine we know this can work. We’ve seen idols do this before whether we’re talking about older idols, like members of 2 PM, wonder, girls, afterschool, etc. or even third GEN idol like twice at least four different members from that group has come out to have been dating people at some point in time and genuinely the fans did not care as much because they have a good relationship with their fans, but also because they came from the girls themselves telling us. Not to mention, I feel like normally when the idols are the ones choosing to tell us they’ve been dating for a while it’s not like they just started dating 23 weeks ago. They’re only a month into dating and I feel like that changes things to like the Karina situation sucks because dispatch basically just threw her in this man under the bus and they had only really started dating each other so they were getting to know each other. They were at the beginning phases of dating and then it was just like thrown out there. They really didn’t have a choice on what to do or what to say. It’s also one of the reasons why I feel like a lot of people have been fancy hip-hop for a long time I’m talking who got into it during second or third GEN don’t really get surprised or Care when newer idols announce that they’re dating because it was so normalized for second and third GEN fans. a lot of these idols would be dating someone for a while and then come out a few months into them, being serious into their relationship and just announced the fact that they’re dating. None of us were taken by surprise when idols announce themselves getting married, because most of us already knew that they were dating people because they chose to share that with the fans. They didn’t really receive a lot of backlash. Of course, they’re gonna receive some cause there’s always gonna be way too invested for their own fans, but they started normalizing it and then all of a sudden companies switched up during fourth and fifth GEN now and it’s like no we’re advertising idol is being available again and we’re feeding into the delusion of the delusional fans. And I find it weird because the thing is as long as the companies themselves normalize something fans eventually will just fall into place. It happens all of the time. There have been music shifts that fans did not like then all of a sudden because other companies also started implementing that sound of music. It became a genre of music that people like. They’ve been fashion styles didn’t like all of a sudden bunch of companies started sitting there and trending that type of fashion and end up liking it or didn’t care. That’s literally how it works so if companies would stop saying there and acting like dating was a crime fans, we just fall into line and it be just another normal thing andeventually no one will care. The exception of a handful of fans that already unhinged anyway.
Dispatch usually managed to reveal couples many months, before even the company knew of it. On top of that having so much footage, that the korean police sees it as useful. They revealed any long relationship. It isn't possible to hide a relationship from the media for long. Not with Dispatch being often more successful than the surveillance of the police. The choice is essentially between revealing it by themselves, or getting it done by the media, which often doesn't allow to plan damage control. Revealing it is also the best way to "slap possessive fans into the face". By hiding something, you confirm something is supposed to be taboo. You essentially end up playing by the rules of the bully. The way to discredit delulus, is by **not** respecting their demand.
Another reason I think people don't want idols to date publicly is that if the couple was a "power couple" or "it couple" if they broke up and get another partner people will NEVER let go of that previous "it couple", an example i can think off the top of my head is the Song couple; I would like the idea of idols being treated like normal human beings but I don't think it may change any time soon because the industry thrives and literally capitalizes off parasocial relationships 😮💨
The answer is no, let's be real. It's not the first time idols are separated not long after their relationships are exposed because of hate from fans and overall public pressure. Not all relationships are strong enough to survive that, especially at the first stage of the relationship. It's sad because there were probably couples that were pretty interested in each other, but everything got runied once the public knew about the relationship. Take as an example chen from exo. He has a wife and two kids and i think that this kind of privacy allowed him to have a family now. In my opinion it's definitely in the idols's and their partner's interest to not reveal their relationship. Though I must say that nowadays more experienced idols don't go through too much pressure for being in the relationship, while new and hot kpop idols are definitely going to suffer if their relationship gets exposed.
Also a point I dont see many people talk about, if two idols date eachother, we see this even with friendships: these groups are sometimes direct competition to eachother in the Fans eyes, normal friendships get dragged so far in fanwars etc. Who yould want that to be done to their relationship, and if they break up there will be speculations about who is at fault etc. So I get wanting to keep that from the public
It depends on who are the idols who are dating. Those who are less popular are usually better accepted, like Jihyo’s boyfriend who is less known within Kpop fans. When Jennie’s and V’s relationship was revealed, most fans especially Army were furious because they are too popular and the fandoms don’t like each other so they started hating the idols even though it’s not a big deal that they are dating. It will change in the future if their music becomes top priority within fans, not the parasocial relationships that overtake the fans’s vision for who they would like to stan. For example the most popular western celebrities like The Weeknd, Taylor, Ariana, Justin are all liked because of their music and less people care about who they date.
Specifically singling out army when majority of us were furious of his privacy being invaded and all those pictures being leaked (whether real or not idk nor do i care) is messed up..like i promise you we couldn't care less if he dated Jennie or anyone else😭
When was the Jennie and V thing ever officially confirmed or revealed? I never saw anything other than secretly taken photos? I’m not in any of both fandoms so I don’t see much content from them, so far I thought it was never publicly confirmed. And I heavily agree on the parasocial relationship part! Those fans are way too delusional and weird to actually fall for the marketing of idols being our “partners”. Never understood the point of being a fan for this, personally for me it’s about the music and the member’s personalities. The fact that dating is considered a “scandal” in the K-pop world is so weird to me, and I’ve been a fan since 2012. The companies’ way of marketing idols really needs to be changed.
@@g100-w6j It is usually boy groups's stans that are furious because this is where par asocial relationships happen. Fangirls fall in love with male idols. Jennie was hated for dating him heavily (one of the reasons I deleted my TikTok account). And the one which privacy was invaded is both of them but more Jennie's because it was her Google Drive account that was hacked in 2021 when those pictures were revealed. Then the person was sued.
I firmly believe that idols shouldn't say a thing if they are dating. I will never understand why young people in the prime of their life getting together is a cause for outrage, famous or not. Like when else are they supposed to live their lives? When they're in their 40's and probably dealing with the wear and tear something like being a touring/recording musician has on their bodies? So weird! No one has a right to anyone else's private life. I don't care who you are.
As much as I would want idols to have their relationship and be happy. I also think it depends on how much they want to reveal too. I see people wanting idols to show their relationship and not care about the hate, but I know that the kpop company's economy trive on parasocial relationship, so I don't think it will disappear anytime soon. If Idols never played into this at all, fans tends to not be interested in them as much as the ones that do play into it. As sad as it is, I wish fans would like the idols more for the music than thinking they know them
I was a big fan of crayon pop and was so shocked when we learned one of the former members was jow married with a child. I think it was a good decision especially since they started their family so soon from getting together. When I've seen them in interviews following this, they seem to enjoy having control over what tgey show the public. i think the social power of being a super junior member/older and well respected man in the industry helped them in maintaining their privacy. I wish all idols had that privilege and support to keeo theor relationship as private as they desire.
Care for your own life. There is already so much to do, so many commitments, like why should we think that who they are dating or breaking, focus on your own life relations and mental health
Thanks for your thoughts on this - I think I end up with your view which is that is should be up to the individuals involved...but it is so sad to see how toxic some of the fandoms are about this. I'd be interested to hear your take on the toxic side of shipping certain pairs which is very closely related to this topic. I'm more familiar with this kind of thing in C dramas over K dramas, but it happens in the entertainment industry all the time - especially when ppl ship same sex couples. What are your thoughts on this? (I know this is a huge topic because it covers so many variables, but it really is something that bothers me). It breaks my heart when you see two ppl who are obviously close to each other being "forced" to change their behaviours or being scolded...You touched on this briefly in this video - heaven forbid anyone talks or looks at or doesn't look at...lol...someone else. Seeing men be affectionate towards each other doesn't necessarily mean anything, but can result in real-world consequences (the C-drama I'm thinking of in this case was the whole "The Untamed" debacle regarding Xiao Zhan and Wang Yibo, but the same thing happens in K-pop with ppl who ship various BTS member, but specifically Jungkook & Tae-hyung). Love your channel
I believe that when two people start dating…it should be very low key…at first. After a while, if the relationship becomes a little more serious, at the second level where you declare each other “girlfriend and boyfriend”, then the same way that you begin to bring your significant other to your family and friends…they should also not be ashamed to talk about their new boyfriend or girlfriend to their fans and public. Those dating within their own group is a little different. They may hide their relationship longer until they are engaged or living together.
Idols and their relationships should be revealed with their consent. It should be without dispatch exposing them and without the public pressuring them. It is their private lives after all. If they do stay private, it should only be if THEY chose to stay private and weren’t forced.
I'm all about keeping things private. I don't really care because the chances of any fan marrying an idol is lower than me being president. We stans can't be saying "I want what is best for my fave(s)" and then turn into feral a--holes because they date. These are humans, with emotions, thoughts, and dreams just like you, and they owe us nothing other than the music and content they give us.
I want idols to openly say they’re in a relationship so they don’t have to look over their shoulder all the time worrying Dispatch or delusional fans will see them and make a scandal out of it. like I want them to announce the news but obviously stay private and just live their lives without people harassing them. Karina’s situation is so bizarre bro 😭 they barely started getting to know each other and knetizens f-ed it all up. maybe nothing would’ve even come from the relationship but they didn’t even get the chance to properly date. don’t even get me started on EXO’s Chen situation. people that harassed him and tried to kick him out the group need to be institutionalised. #FREEKPOPIDOLS
What I liked about kpop after I stunned some western groups was that you always knew you were watching content now, not their private lives. Their private lives, family, friends (except sometimes idol friends) was something unknown. And I thought that was something good. No family drama, no dating drama (back in the days). You were just watching this performer. Indent like how it’s changing nowadays. I was very fine with accepting that I only see the job-side of an idol, and that they have a private live which isn’t my concern. I find dating rumours annoying. If a couple wants to announce their relationship, great for them. If they don’t want to, NO ONE should do it for them! And the haters so unnecessary. I will forever hope that the BTS members will never make their relationships public. I hope they all have or find a significant other, but I hope they don’t make it public. A relationship isn’t for fans to judge
Dawn and Hyuna are different tho. It was the company that was unsupportive of them going public. The fans from what I remember were generally accepting and happy for them. The guy after Dawn tho.. the fans did not like that guy (and with good reason).
Why is this even a debate they are human beigns we dont have to hide relationships why should they its only a problem so the fans whi are calling them hot and fangirling iver them dont look creepy which how do i say it always was para social relationship are creepy and idk how simeone thinks its a good thing
I always love how you preference this vid with sharing both the in favour and in against for these types of subjects!! It's so crucial, especially now to see eye to eye and by providing reasons for both does help me see a subject from many perspectives 🩵🩵🩵
That’s truly a double edge sword ( Although it would be great to normalize idols’ relationship I can’t stop thinking about how many of them would be sacrificed before it happens. During past several years it feels like companies kinda tried to be more lenient and supportive, but it didn’t go well with the fandoms. I kinda lean towards it’s none of our business. If they want to risk it all and reveal so they have the right. But I doubt any of them have wanted it. Dispatch makes me very uncomfortable every time they announce. It feels like an unexpected backstab. And so many times idols break up shortly afterwards. It should tell something. So my answer is “it’s truly none of our business “ and “they have the right to their privacy” 🤍
I'm always surprised when Sungmin from Super Junior isn't mentioned in discussions like this. He essentially got kicked from SJ unofficially just because people got mad when he married. So many rumors went around about him "shoving his relationship in fans' faces."
True or not, the fact he got taken out of the group over it is still wild to me.
Imo its hard to say. Like i love hearing that idols are happy and have found love. And i feel that it will hopefully some day allow things to change with how kpop fans look at dating news etc but also in the meantime it is causing issues and stuff so its hard to say if they should or shouldnt. But i do think they shouldn't be forced to announce it and should be allowed their privacy which is why i cant stand dispatch
If an Idol decides to go public with their relationship, i'll be happy for them as long they aren't dating someone who is genuinly a bad individual or minor.
The thing for me is that all the "against" arguments are so short sighted. Everything about their careers taking a hit or their safety being compromized hinges on the fact that the relationship NEVER gets revealed, which is impossible. With how hounded they are, someone will see them eventually. OR if the relationship gets very serious and long term, it's not sustainable to pretend to be single forever always looking over your shoulder for the rest of your career. If a longterm relationship gets revealed, "fans" feel betrayed because they've been "lying" for so long. If a short term relationship gets revealed fans will do all they can to end it, usually successfully. Like, it's a lose-lose situation and to keep playing into it is also unsustainable. Idols are human, and start their careers young. It's simply INHUMANE that they should should have to choose between not experiencing any of the relevant developmental milestones for young adults (love, sex and relationships for example) or to do it, but risk their careers should it "come out". And it ALWAYS comes out.
I think normalization is the only way to go in the end. But then again, I wouldn't really ask anyone to take the risk. But until idols can either reveal their relationships when they want, or keep it to themselves without people calling them liars and traitors, nothing will get better. So I guess the problem isn't really wether or not idols reveal their relationships (or have them exposed against their will) it's that both scenarios are so cruel to the idols themselves. Imagine living like that.
In the end, I think your take is the only reasonable one, that idols should be allowed to reveal or not depending on what they are comfortable with, without all hell breaking lose in either case. But for that, it's not the idols who have to change, it's the fans.
So well said.
i think i mostly agree with your opinion on the matter. if the idols made the decision to be privet, good, if they want to go public, that's also good.
however, i want to add this to the discussion: i think the idols should be smart about it. Because there are some idols, like Karina or Jennie, that we all just know they will receive backlash if they go public with relationships (as we have seen happen already). Then, there are other idols, usually more seasoned people in the industry, that won't receive such treatment. Jihyo for example, recently it was announced she's dating that athlete guy - and as far as I have seen and heard, there isn't hate train towards her and people are even supportive. so i think there is better and worse timing when such thing can be announced (in the meaning of the idol's age).
Of course, this is not always true and Jennie is a veterean in the industry like Jihyo but they had very different treatments from fans. And even such things can't always be predicted... I personally would have never expected an idol like Chen to receive such immense hate for his marriage. He's my ult bias in EXO but he's far from being the most popular member (at least globally... i have no idea what's the situation in Korea).
Plus, as sad as it may sounds, it's all up to popularity, image and visuals. Many people worship Karina's visual (and she's aespa's most popular member), Jennie is the 3rd generation it girl and so on. Jihyo doesn't have the same reputation. What's interesting for me is Jisoo's case. Last year it was announced she's dating some Korean actor and I was shocked to see the GUY receiving backlash and not the girl. It was a hot topic ofc because of Jisoo's status. But if they didn't broke up after a few months, I'm pretty sure the general public would have settled with them. This is due to the fact Jisoo has completely different image than her bandmate Jennie and even tho they're in the same group, they had completly different reactions to dating news.
What I'm trying to say in short: some idols can pull off to go public with their relationship and it can work for them (Jihyo, Jisoo and I think Joy from Red Velvet has a boyfriend for many years?). And for some idols is strongly advisable to keep their relationships to themselves (until they retire/are more seasoned in the industry) because the backlash is just not worth it (Karina, Jennie). BUT we should acknowledge that sometimes this just can't be predicted and the public to react very negatively regardless (Chen).
Part of me thinks they should reveal it as soon as the relationship gets serious cause with how bad sasaengs have got in recent years and with dispatch it will be revealed whether they like it or not.
But to the fans that get annoyed at their idols dating. All my favourite love songs are written from experience. In the all art forms emotion is so important to get the message across. So my point is, do you want quality music or not?
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i don't care whether they announce it or not really, after it's their business, but if they announce it then I wish they wouldn't get hate for it and such. Really, i wish that it was normalized more than anything
If more and more idols announce that they are dating, wouldn't it be hard for the haters to do something about it?? Also it would just become "normal" right?? Wouldn't that just fix the issue??
With older, more famous idols, it’s more doable. The fans are going to (hopefully) be a bit more mature, on average, and the fandom is big enough to withstand some butthurt fans. Still, the financial incentives make it so that there is no upside in revealing dating news. The more deluded the fan, the better the customer.
I don't care at all about idols dating or personal lives but i think for the sake of their careers that they should not reveal their relationship to the public as not only is That private information but as we have seen on numerous occasions prevously revealing they're relationship (especially if it is romantic) could literally tear the idol's career apart because these toxic and DELUSIONAL stans act like the idols belong to them
The HSH and (insert jerk's name) situation, say whatever you want but both women made total fools of themselves fighting because of a guy that wasn't worth a rotting animal carcass.
As a person with somewhat of a life experience hyeri starting shi being a public figure and all was a red flag for me. Even though HSH made a dumb career move writing a whole essay in response to her, I can't help but feel sorry for her and also applaud her for being honest and trying to connect with hyeri to sort the situation amongst themselves (and she ghosted her in turn) and most of all, dumping that weirdo.
Idols should be free to be as private or unprivate as they are comfortable being with their personal lives. I wholeheartedly agree with your viewpoint.
The whole kpop marketing should change accordingly and stop with the parasocial relationship.
One Direction members dated for almost all the time they were in the group and still do now and it has never made them lose fans so i hope we can get there at some point but I do remember that their girlfriend received a lot of hate...
For me it depends on how long they date/how serious they feel about each other because we know it can hurt the relationship and their work (like han Soo hee even though an idol still lost a lot of work because of this). And also to get out of the heteronormativity of this conversation some idol that could maybe have an LGBTQ+ relationship and it could actually be dangerous for them to share their relationship.
But then I think it's hard to have this discussion when 90% times they're not the ones CHOSING to go public
Oh real, potentially if things go completely in the opposite direction we'd then have issues with people being suspicious of idols who haven't been public about partners and theorising they're gay which could then lead to beard relationships. At least now everyone kind of has to keep relationships secret regardless of sexuality
It's overdue to normalize dating behavior of celebrities and idols.
People truly are delusional about the life of famous people.
I highly respect EXO's Chen for his life decisions. I respect him more for his hard working attitude and the ability to give so much joy to us fans with his talent and work ethics.
I feel like if it’s because they want to share their relationships then that’s perfectly fine. If they want to let their fans know that they’re dating without revealing who they’re dating that’s perfectly fine we know this can work. We’ve seen idols do this before whether we’re talking about older idols, like members of 2 PM, wonder, girls, afterschool, etc. or even third GEN idol like twice at least four different members from that group has come out to have been dating people at some point in time and genuinely the fans did not care as much because they have a good relationship with their fans, but also because they came from the girls themselves telling us.
Not to mention, I feel like normally when the idols are the ones choosing to tell us they’ve been dating for a while it’s not like they just started dating 23 weeks ago. They’re only a month into dating and I feel like that changes things to like the Karina situation sucks because dispatch basically just threw her in this man under the bus and they had only really started dating each other so they were getting to know each other. They were at the beginning phases of dating and then it was just like thrown out there. They really didn’t have a choice on what to do or what to say.
It’s also one of the reasons why I feel like a lot of people have been fancy hip-hop for a long time I’m talking who got into it during second or third GEN don’t really get surprised or Care when newer idols announce that they’re dating because it was so normalized for second and third GEN fans. a lot of these idols would be dating someone for a while and then come out a few months into them, being serious into their relationship and just announced the fact that they’re dating. None of us were taken by surprise when idols announce themselves getting married, because most of us already knew that they were dating people because they chose to share that with the fans. They didn’t really receive a lot of backlash. Of course, they’re gonna receive some cause there’s always gonna be way too invested for their own fans, but they started normalizing it and then all of a sudden companies switched up during fourth and fifth GEN now and it’s like no we’re advertising idol is being available again and we’re feeding into the delusion of the delusional fans.
And I find it weird because the thing is as long as the companies themselves normalize something fans eventually will just fall into place. It happens all of the time. There have been music shifts that fans did not like then all of a sudden because other companies also started implementing that sound of music. It became a genre of music that people like. They’ve been fashion styles didn’t like all of a sudden bunch of companies started sitting there and trending that type of fashion and end up liking it or didn’t care. That’s literally how it works so if companies would stop saying there and acting like dating was a crime fans, we just fall into line and it be just another normal thing andeventually no one will care. The exception of a handful of fans that already unhinged anyway.
Dispatch usually managed to reveal couples many months, before even the company knew of it. On top of that having so much footage, that the korean police sees it as useful. They revealed any long relationship.
It isn't possible to hide a relationship from the media for long. Not with Dispatch being often more successful than the surveillance of the police.
The choice is essentially between revealing it by themselves, or getting it done by the media, which often doesn't allow to plan damage control.
Revealing it is also the best way to "slap possessive fans into the face". By hiding something, you confirm something is supposed to be taboo. You essentially end up playing by the rules of the bully. The way to discredit delulus, is by **not** respecting their demand.
Another reason I think people don't want idols to date publicly is that if the couple was a "power couple" or "it couple" if they broke up and get another partner people will NEVER let go of that previous "it couple", an example i can think off the top of my head is the Song couple; I would like the idea of idols being treated like normal human beings but I don't think it may change any time soon because the industry thrives and literally capitalizes off parasocial relationships 😮💨
Fans need to grow up.
Things being as they still are with some members of the Korean public it seems smarter to keep it secret, as they have been doing.
The answer is no, let's be real. It's not the first time idols are separated not long after their relationships are exposed because of hate from fans and overall public pressure. Not all relationships are strong enough to survive that, especially at the first stage of the relationship. It's sad because there were probably couples that were pretty interested in each other, but everything got runied once the public knew about the relationship. Take as an example chen from exo. He has a wife and two kids and i think that this kind of privacy allowed him to have a family now. In my opinion it's definitely in the idols's and their partner's interest to not reveal their relationship. Though I must say that nowadays more experienced idols don't go through too much pressure for being in the relationship, while new and hot kpop idols are definitely going to suffer if their relationship gets exposed.
I think it depends.
Also a point I dont see many people talk about, if two idols date eachother, we see this even with friendships: these groups are sometimes direct competition to eachother in the Fans eyes, normal friendships get dragged so far in fanwars etc. Who yould want that to be done to their relationship, and if they break up there will be speculations about who is at fault etc. So I get wanting to keep that from the public
It depends on who are the idols who are dating. Those who are less popular are usually better accepted, like Jihyo’s boyfriend who is less known within Kpop fans. When Jennie’s and V’s relationship was revealed, most fans especially Army were furious because they are too popular and the fandoms don’t like each other so they started hating the idols even though it’s not a big deal that they are dating. It will change in the future if their music becomes top priority within fans, not the parasocial relationships that overtake the fans’s vision for who they would like to stan. For example the most popular western celebrities like The Weeknd, Taylor, Ariana, Justin are all liked because of their music and less people care about who they date.
Specifically singling out army when majority of us were furious of his privacy being invaded and all those pictures being leaked (whether real or not idk nor do i care) is messed up..like i promise you we couldn't care less if he dated Jennie or anyone else😭
When was the Jennie and V thing ever officially confirmed or revealed? I never saw anything other than secretly taken photos? I’m not in any of both fandoms so I don’t see much content from them, so far I thought it was never publicly confirmed. And I heavily agree on the parasocial relationship part! Those fans are way too delusional and weird to actually fall for the marketing of idols being our “partners”. Never understood the point of being a fan for this, personally for me it’s about the music and the member’s personalities. The fact that dating is considered a “scandal” in the K-pop world is so weird to me, and I’ve been a fan since 2012. The companies’ way of marketing idols really needs to be changed.
@@g100-w6j It is usually boy groups's stans that are furious because this is where par asocial relationships happen. Fangirls fall in love with male idols. Jennie was hated for dating him heavily (one of the reasons I deleted my TikTok account). And the one which privacy was invaded is both of them but more Jennie's because it was her Google Drive account that was hacked in 2021 when those pictures were revealed. Then the person was sued.
I firmly believe that idols shouldn't say a thing if they are dating.
I will never understand why young people in the prime of their life getting together is a cause for outrage, famous or not. Like when else are they supposed to live their lives? When they're in their 40's and probably dealing with the wear and tear something like being a touring/recording musician has on their bodies? So weird!
No one has a right to anyone else's private life. I don't care who you are.
YES❤ if they want to
As much as I would want idols to have their relationship and be happy. I also think it depends on how much they want to reveal too. I see people wanting idols to show their relationship and not care about the hate, but I know that the kpop company's economy trive on parasocial relationship, so I don't think it will disappear anytime soon. If Idols never played into this at all, fans tends to not be interested in them as much as the ones that do play into it. As sad as it is, I wish fans would like the idols more for the music than thinking they know them
I was a big fan of crayon pop and was so shocked when we learned one of the former members was jow married with a child. I think it was a good decision especially since they started their family so soon from getting together. When I've seen them in interviews following this, they seem to enjoy having control over what tgey show the public. i think the social power of being a super junior member/older and well respected man in the industry helped them in maintaining their privacy. I wish all idols had that privilege and support to keeo theor relationship as private as they desire.
Care for your own life. There is already so much to do, so many commitments, like why should we think that who they are dating or breaking, focus on your own life relations and mental health
Thanks for your thoughts on this - I think I end up with your view which is that is should be up to the individuals involved...but it is so sad to see how toxic some of the fandoms are about this. I'd be interested to hear your take on the toxic side of shipping certain pairs which is very closely related to this topic. I'm more familiar with this kind of thing in C dramas over K dramas, but it happens in the entertainment industry all the time - especially when ppl ship same sex couples. What are your thoughts on this? (I know this is a huge topic because it covers so many variables, but it really is something that bothers me). It breaks my heart when you see two ppl who are obviously close to each other being "forced" to change their behaviours or being scolded...You touched on this briefly in this video - heaven forbid anyone talks or looks at or doesn't look at...lol...someone else. Seeing men be affectionate towards each other doesn't necessarily mean anything, but can result in real-world consequences (the C-drama I'm thinking of in this case was the whole "The Untamed" debacle regarding Xiao Zhan and Wang Yibo, but the same thing happens in K-pop with ppl who ship various BTS member, but specifically Jungkook & Tae-hyung). Love your channel
I believe that when two people start dating…it should be very low key…at first. After a while, if the relationship becomes a little more serious, at the second level where you declare each other “girlfriend and boyfriend”, then the same way that you begin to bring your significant other to your family and friends…they should also not be ashamed to talk about their new boyfriend or girlfriend to their fans and public. Those dating within their own group is a little different. They may hide their relationship longer until they are engaged or living together.
Idols and their relationships should be revealed with their consent. It should be without dispatch exposing them and without the public pressuring them. It is their private lives after all. If they do stay private, it should only be if THEY chose to stay private and weren’t forced.
Got7 JayB 💚 bluntly said i am not your boyfriend I'm your artist or BFF 😂i love him for that 👏👏
I'm all about keeping things private. I don't really care because the chances of any fan marrying an idol is lower than me being president. We stans can't be saying "I want what is best for my fave(s)" and then turn into feral a--holes because they date. These are humans, with emotions, thoughts, and dreams just like you, and they owe us nothing other than the music and content they give us.
I want idols to openly say they’re in a relationship so they don’t have to look over their shoulder all the time worrying Dispatch or delusional fans will see them and make a scandal out of it.
like I want them to announce the news but obviously stay private and just live their lives without people harassing them.
Karina’s situation is so bizarre bro 😭 they barely started getting to know each other and knetizens f-ed it all up. maybe nothing would’ve even come from the relationship but they didn’t even get the chance to properly date.
don’t even get me started on EXO’s Chen situation. people that harassed him and tried to kick him out the group need to be institutionalised.
#FREEKPOPIDOLS
First of all, it should be normalized friendship between male and female Idols.
And only after that we can speak about dating.
Definitely agree, I wish more male and female idols were allowed to be openly friends without people criticizing them or assuming things!
What I liked about kpop after I stunned some western groups was that you always knew you were watching content now, not their private lives. Their private lives, family, friends (except sometimes idol friends) was something unknown. And I thought that was something good. No family drama, no dating drama (back in the days). You were just watching this performer. Indent like how it’s changing nowadays. I was very fine with accepting that I only see the job-side of an idol, and that they have a private live which isn’t my concern. I find dating rumours annoying. If a couple wants to announce their relationship, great for them. If they don’t want to, NO ONE should do it for them! And the haters so unnecessary. I will forever hope that the BTS members will never make their relationships public. I hope they all have or find a significant other, but I hope they don’t make it public. A relationship isn’t for fans to judge
Dawn and Hyuna are different tho. It was the company that was unsupportive of them going public. The fans from what I remember were generally accepting and happy for them.
The guy after Dawn tho.. the fans did not like that guy (and with good reason).
Why is this even a debate they are human beigns we dont have to hide relationships why should they its only a problem so the fans whi are calling them hot and fangirling iver them dont look creepy which how do i say it always was para social relationship are creepy and idk how simeone thinks its a good thing
it keep happened and it annoyed let them live
No, until they are getting married, for their own privacy and sanity. SAY NOTHING!!!
I always love how you preference this vid with sharing both the in favour and in against for these types of subjects!! It's so crucial, especially now to see eye to eye and by providing reasons for both does help me see a subject from many perspectives 🩵🩵🩵
That’s truly a double edge sword ( Although it would be great to normalize idols’ relationship I can’t stop thinking about how many of them would be sacrificed before it happens. During past several years it feels like companies kinda tried to be more lenient and supportive, but it didn’t go well with the fandoms. I kinda lean towards it’s none of our business. If they want to risk it all and reveal so they have the right. But I doubt any of them have wanted it. Dispatch makes me very uncomfortable every time they announce. It feels like an unexpected backstab. And so many times idols break up shortly afterwards. It should tell something. So my answer is “it’s truly none of our business “ and “they have the right to their privacy” 🤍