We need a new small micro four thirds body.
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- I love the micro four thirds system (and my G9ii) but a big draw of the system for me is the smaller bodies! Whether you're out hiking and short on space, or trying to be incognito for street photography there's a lot to be said for having a smaller camera body
In this video I cover the features I'd like to see on a potential new small M43 body, potential form factors, and also what I think will likely be the next offering!
(Please excuse my sunburn, we finally got a little bit of sun)
Absolutely agree with you. We need a new small M43 camera in 2024. I'm amazed there hasn't been one released yet. It seems like so many people are chomping at the bit for an updated, small form factor M43 camera. My fingers are crossed that we'll see one before the end of the year. Panasonic, OM, if you're listening, please make this happen.
we need a GX10
Very much so. In a GX7 body pls, exactly in the same body with same buttons, a couple of front Fn buttons will do nicely to top it up. I will gradly pay $1000 for such a camera.
Give me a GX9 weather sealed and with better autofocus. That's it
Plus an audio in jac.
Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
100000%
Weather sealing is the key. This is an area where S9 didn’t cut
It as a ‘fun’ camera for me. Can’t take an unsealed camera to the beach, pool, snow, camping, bar, etc.
PEN-F 2 would be a good range finder candidate. I have a pen-f and it’s nice.
Also very expensive.
Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
So true, especially the weather sealing. Thanks.
100% agree, I use a gx80 for an every day walk around and it’s about time for a newer version of it as it is so easy to carry in your pocket especially for street
Yes, absolutely agree! A big body is good for people who shoot wildlife, but not for me. A GX10 with modern specs were good, but I don’t believe it anymore. I sold my lenses and the GX8 and now I’m waiting for the S9.
Good luck with your s9.
The features the S9 eliminated makes me avoid this body. That is OK as I’m not in the content creator community this body is being marketed to. Eli has described the body I crave. Cameras are only tools. Have fun.
Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
Gx9 successor with weather sealing would be great. I don’t think they’d need an evf if they put an OLED screen on it. Also they should come out with weather sealed mark II versions of the Leica primes.
My vote: G85 body with 20MP sensor and the new autofocus. Not quite as small as you are thinking, but very well-matched to either of the 12-60mm zooms, or the 8-25mm zoom.
The G85 was a better camera than the 100 because it didn’t crop in for video.
Great video, bro! I would be perfectly happy if olympus could take what’s in the OM five and put it into a pen f, weather sealed of course, and USB-C of course. If Panasonic could put most of what’s in the G9 mark two into the S9 body, that would be great too. basically both micro for third companies have a prototype for what to go with. They just need to get it done.
Agree totally, I hope Panasonic are watching this.
I've been spraying this for a while. GH7 and G9ii aren't small cameras. I sold all of my older M43 cameras but only kept my GX8. I've been holding onto the lenses in hopes that there is a new GX camera but am growing impatient. I only carry my Sony cameras anymore because my A6000 and A7Cii are comparable to the GX8 in size. I believe the A6000 is actually smaller, but the lenses are slightly bigger. My A7RIV isn't much bigger than the GX8 either. I had an LMount S1R for a while but LMount lenses are just too big and heavy for me because of the obsession with eliminating focus breathing. I had bought the S1R on release day and only got rid of it recently.
I left micro 4/3rds after my GX85 was stolen. There were no updated compact models, and Panasonic seems to have mostly abandoned the system for larger cameras. I sold off my lenses and got a refurbished Nikon Z7 and 40mm lens and a Google Pixel 8 Pro. The Z7 is of course larger, but the image quality and handling is great and I can still travel with some smaller lenses in the same bag I carried my m43 gear in.
Feels like a matter of time before I do something similar…
Yes! I like the G100 body and would have gotten it, despite its shortcomings, if the viewfinder optics weren't so poor. My priorities would be S5 level color, small body, ibis please, viewfinder with crystal clear optics, mic and headphone jack, pdaf, g7 or better video specs. I'd take that ZF small plus big card slot situation or better yet, integrated backup if a second card wasn't possible.
This is exactly the reason why my A-cam is Pen E-P7.
I’ve been waiting on an OM-5 mk2.
The camera, given the specs you mention, is OM-5. It has all the features you wanted.
We absolutely need smaller MFT cameras... but not the GH or G9 range. That range may not be the smallest, but they are the most ergonomic and work better with the typically bigger/ more expensive lenses.
The size makes then easier to use for longer periods and increases heat dissipation.
But there is definitely room for things like the GX9. I'd preferably love my bigger pro body for wildlife photography and something smaller for say street photography or day trips.
Yes!..please..
We need an updated G90 with phase autofocus and a bigger battery, something to take on the Fuji XS20. I’d buy it in a heartbeat.
It’s the small lenses that matter more to me than the camera but I don’t mind small bodies either. Gonna squeeze my EM1 mkii for all it’s worth, LoL 😆. Would love more rangefinder-style OM cameras.
Sounds like an OM-5 mark 2 with usb-c would be a good thing. I love my capture clip so they would need to sort out the weak tripod mount issue for me to switch from e-m1 mark 2.
Personally I like the bigger MFT bodies. I own a G9 which is great for me. But I also own the GX8 and a true successor (not that joke of a GX9) with the features you meantioned would be fantastic. Stick the 17 or 20mm on it and the streets are yours.
A small, lightweight, photography centered body should be the next M43 body LUMIX releases. After all, the last two bodies lumix released have been video centric.
Dual memory cards? No body this size has dual card slots. I’d be shocked if LUMIX gives us dual card slots. That is OK with me. I’m hoping for an updated GX8. Maybe in the S9 body.
PDAF would be expected. I don't Care if we get the 20 or 25MP sensor. Yes to the mic jac! Why did LUMIX exclude that on the GX85/9. Of course we should get IBIS. Yes also for the EVF. We can loose the articulation for the EVF.
Oh by the way, please make the body check in at less than $900.
Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
Would love to see a new G100 with PDAF, IBIS & Weather sealing. Anything else is a bonus but yeah it needs EVF also provides that point of difference from a phone. I use a G5mkII for travel and its great but a smaller form factor would be an advantage. Marketed for travel would be fantastic.
I like the bigger body. Longer lens with a bigger body is easier to balance for me. But then again, the smaller body has benefits too.
I cant se why it shouldn't be able to make a really small one with no ibis and no evf but really really small so its pocket able. Then the rangefinder style and there go all out, ibis, weather sealing and the tilt able evf. So bring back the GM and the GX.
I would love to see a new G100 with the g9II sensor. It's small, okey EVF and i could use the lenses i already have for Dual IS. Perfect for doing work with 2 cameras and have exactly the same Image quality and colour rendering. Will be easy to have as a B-roll kamera and everyday camera also if they have the same internal recording specs.
yes I'd love a small M43 Body. Heck a 1 inch sensor mirrorless camera would be fun as well. Imagine how small those zoom lenses would be.
I as a rule much prefer the larger body cameras and for me a real update to a GX8 would be my want, alas that is very unlikely to happen. I can only assume despite the vociferous fans myself included for models like the GX8, PEN-F , GM5 simply did not sell enough for them to justify true updates. It is frustrating for people looking for a smaller form factor when all the needed tech is already available
Why small MFTs always shoots themselves in the foot?
- Small body, perfect ibis, but no microphone hole,
- Dslr body, perfect ibis, but more expensive, bigger, and heavier than competitor,
- Small body, great price, but no ibis,
- Good all around body, but ZV-e10 exist,
GM/GX/Pen bodies with om1/g9ii sensors - and the camera departments of oms/pana would be profitable in 3 months!
nice content..
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The new Panasonic GH7 MTF camera is a bit larger and heavier than the full frame Panasonic S5II ! So, yes MTF cameras have to be much more compact, but I guess that both OM Systems and Panasonic do not have money enough to make new compact system MTF cameras. Maybe the GH7 will be the last MFT camera from Panasonic. Not many new MTF Panasonic Lenses and the newest are on sale, so I guess that the MTF customers are moving away from MTF to larger formats.
Still love my gx80. I'd invest some money in a new stacked 50mp sony sensor, very good evf though.
4 things it NEEDS to have:
IBIS
Mechanical Shutter up to at least 1/2000th of a second
New 25MP sensor with PDAF
No unnecessary recording time limits
Nice to have but maybe unrealistic:
4K 120 FPS video
Headphone and Mic Jacks
Dual card slots
The focus needs to be PHOTO First.
No recording limits does not fit with smaller camera.
@@angeloplayforone There's a difference between set time limits and overheating. The S9 for example can go much longer before getting too hot. Limited for no good reason.
I'm happy with my o-g E-M5. That with phase detect autofocus, up to date evf and screen, plus weather sealed 1.8 primes (or similar in an updated GX9) and I'd be super-happy.
OM-5
@@andreatilli6227 yes, great camera. With the newer sensor and USB-C, which I'd expect for the price, would be very happy.
What about a pen f monochrome?
Just re-bought a used GF3 for $50 and am loving how fkn tiny it is
that camera you describe is called em1 mark ii every point you mention has it, it is undoubtedly smaller than the g9 ii.
It is smaller but that boils down to the G9 II being the same width, 1cm taller, it is 2.3cm deeper but that is mainly because of the deeper EVF housing . I have the OM-1 but much prefer the Panasonic G9II and if it had been on the market at the same time I would have went with the G9II. I do have larger hands and I feel regardless of format my hands remain the same size so for me smaller sensor does not mean I want smaller bodies.
the om1 still isn't small though, would love omsystem to bring out a new pen f camera
@@jimstirling7223 agree! om-1 was too small in the hand, traded for g9II which is perfect! cleaner images to my eye also.
GX10....👍
Good ideas, but I think m43 should create a really small camera for videos, photopgraphy as a second thought.
Video demands very good autofocus and stabilization. No EVF, No mechanical shutter. No overheating or recording limits. 4k is more than enough. It should have a mic input for sound and that's basically it. An external wireless mic system could be sold in a bundle.
Then it should focus on easily and seamlessly streaming the content to your phone or to youtube using the camera.
This adresses the needs and desires of tiktok, youtube and a whole new generation of young "content creators".
I think OM System has been doing better at this-the OM-5 is only a year and a half old, really quite small, and has many of the features you've mentioned.
Where it suffers is that a lot of the quality of life features (e.g. usb-c) haven't really been updated since 2019's E-M5 mkII, and also that its design makes it look bigger than it is (the opposite of the GX-8/GX-9 problem you mention in the video)
I'd still be tempted but I'd really prefer better video, even though the video on the OM-5 seems Not Bad™
Whereas the last vaguely small Lumix was the G100 (and lots of compromises), and the last *good* small lumix was the GX9 in 2018?
A refreshed GX85 (or the MFT S9) might be ideal for me...if it existed. Or if OM was just a *little* better on the video side
Oh come on, why do we need new m43 cameras every year ? For hiking etc. My GX9 is the perfect camera, the OM5 is also great for that. Doing photography is more important than talking, discussing and engaging oneself with "new" gear.
OM Systems OM-1 MK2. Light weight packed with features the best stabilization exceptional auto focus live nd and killer lenses. 12-40 2.8 , 40-150 2.8, 12-100 f4, 150-400 f4.5 built in TC, 90mm macro 300mm f4 etc etc. without question the best 4/3 system in the industry. Quad Pixel over 1,000 auto focus points
I still carry GF10 on daily basis, this camera is soooo so good I forgot about my main camera at home
I love the G100D. It has a nice EVF. Small and light... 😊
I love the Lumix bodies; the GX80 and GX9 but i just can’t get on with the field sequential EVF in those cameras. For me, that was the only stumbling block. If Lumix could could put and OLED finder in their new iteration, i think it would appeal.
My Em1 mkii has to be the most comfortable camera i have ever used. I guess we can’t have it all; if you make the cameras much smaller, it’s always going to compromise the handling somewhat.
GM-5 form factor would be interesting
I have been using a G9 for three and a half years and a GM1 for ten. As I get a lot more use out of the GM1, I would love a new smaller form M43 camera from Lumix with phase detect autofocus and a flippy screen if possible. I am not so bothered about it having an EVF or a pop-up flash. In fact, I forgot the GM1 had one until a few weeks ago when I accidently activated it 🤪. I can shoot at ISO 6400 and the noise reduction software {DxO Photolab} does an amazing job of cleaning up the images.
Why release a small m43 when we've already got sony a7cii and a7cr? There are small nice primes on the sony mount also.(zooms not so much) If Oly/OMD/Pana were to release a nice small m43 body, it should have been 6 years ago. The ship has now sailed.
Is it shit ? Yes.
Would I want a new PEN F? Definitely!
Would I buy it for the price of om1.3 (because that's how much it would cost I bet) ? Nach, not worth it.
There are not enough buyers of small bodied MFTs cameras for any major BRAND to make Newer Products. Otherwise it would have already happened. So we and reality hardly comes together to make much of a difference.
Alas the drive is for more functionality, more controls and buttons, so regardless of the sensor size the bodies are going to get bigger. I'm a small man with small hands, and find my E-M5 III just about perfect. I don't really want any more features, in fact I'd be happy without any video functionality and, horror of horrors, I could manage without a mechanical shutter. As I don't do video or flash the hot shoe could go as well. But it's not going to happen.
The other small camera I still use is an LX100. Not perfect but the layout is implemented pretty well.
They're just not "focused" on this. Where is the ad with an OM-5 and 3 lenses on a scale, sitting next to to a Fuji with the equivalent 3 lenses, sitting on a scale? Many people don't care what they stuff weighs, but if that's the case, why use a small sensor camera?
They use to make a lot of small M43 cameras but they never really sold that much to make a profit. There are still small M43 cameras just not super small like they did in the past.
G9II in a body of GX7 - perfection!
all depends on the project. I love the bulk and a good grip.
I’d call the EM5 and GX8 to be midsized, and if either company could release an update model (looking at you OM5 with micro usb and plastic frame that brakes) I’d be happy. I wouldn’t give up my G9ii, but my GX8 and GM1 still have a place in my bag, and I love them dearly.
Agreed.
I love my EM5.3. I thought it'd be unbalanced with the Oly 12-40 f/2.8 Pro lens, but I got used to it and it's now my default lens. A heavier lens would be unbalanced though. My bucket list:
- USB-C with charging while the camera is being used
- The updated menu system
- An updated app (see Lumix Sync app)
As a side note, not that it fixes your USB problem but my tiny battery charger has both USB-C and Mini-B, which makes charging a breeze.
GX-8 rangefinder style with pop up ever and ibis! Or Pen f style. beautiful! pair these with smaller lenses. I like those options as an enthusiast! Agree with the fact that a nice big ergonomic body is super nice.
Totally disagree. The cameras are small enough. Why is your video so lousy btw? If it's such an issue then why not buy an RX-100? Your position is very weak.