User error😂😂 It's all thanks to edvard i saved my $1500. I was following fuji blindly (it's a great company no doubt) but i recently they're not listening to the community like they used to.
@@mdenjoyer831 that's just not true lol, the sensor is made by Sony, the only difference is that it has a x-trans colour filter array instead of bayer, doesn't affect autofocus at all
Fujifilm needs to be bashed constantly in order for them to fix the autofocus. We did the same with Panasonic. They were the worst for years. Everyone acknowledged it. Even Lumix fanboys knew they were the worst. They fixed it last year. We need to keep the pressure.
Panasonic depth from defocus (DFD) AF mechanism can be distracting but the focus is right on the spot. I don't mind use Panasonic DFD cameras for stills. But false positive AF in the Fuji cameras is disappointing.
Agree, agree, and more agree. Im asking Fuji every week to solve AF issues. This video hurts. Im keeping Fuji this year, if AF doesnt get better, im giving up, bye 2s, hello fx30... This video is a shame for Fuji. WTF IS THAT AF... A6000 GOT 10 YEARS, 10 F***ING YEARS... WTF is Fuji doing??? An XT50? X100vi?? They are ALL basically an XT5... Sony, Canon, perfect AF... Meanwhile, Fuji works in a 16-50 2.8 -... 4.8????? Who the hell wants that... AF, AF, AF... Im so close to be done with Fuji
My old Gx80 had like a 10x more accurate autofocus when taking photos, and very similar, maybe even a little bit better autofocus in video (on thrid party Sigma 16mm f1.4 lens). Clearly internet was just harsher on Panasonic 🙂
@@renato.meinberg xs20 uses the old sensor like my xt3. I’ve tried every setting in the book on my xh2 and in each firmware update and it has not gotten any better. Still misses focus at least 40-50% of the time.
Criticisms like this will only make Fujifilm better, if they know how to take them seriously to better their products. This worked so well for Sony. (I remember when Sony was starting with their A7 series... bad auto-focus, bad ergonomics, bad menu system...)
Dude, it was 10 years ago, and Sony were first to make classic mirrorless camera. There were not any other competitors. Since 2018 everybody makes mirrorless with decent AF, and since 2021 it's almost flawless in Canon and Sony. What do you even mean criticism will make Fujifilm better? They can't fix for 5 years already.
They had 5 years prior to the X-H2S to blow up the current AF system and start from scratch. They didn’t do it, despite tons of feedback. I posted a couple of YT videos back then exposing the AF lies and was torched in the comments by Fuji fanboys. I almost cried when I used the A7iv for the first time.
" Criticisms like this will only make Fujifilm better, " Problem is, Fuji's known for over a decade their AF isn't great. So many FW updates stating AF improvements, WAY more than Sony ever released, yet we're still at this point, where Fuji's highest end ever camera is struggling in AF like it was using CDAF. Fuji won't do anything significant until their sales take a hit.
Is it wrong that I don't really like them? I find that I'm switching all the time because nothing does everything quite right, I've got too choose between weird cyan sky, magenta or yellow skin, weird foliage greens, etc. I usually try to stick to Astia - but I lose all the nice pink and purple sunset nuances, so I jump into Velvia or Pro Neg H. Which is fine most of the time, but it means I didn't need any more simulations than the X-Pro 1 had. 😂 I think I prefer Nikon, Canon, and Olympus colours more. Even Sony doesn't look too bad anymore.
I’ve watched your video as well last year and has got a little bit better but you’re right! it’s not just the false positives it’s the almost in but not focussed anywhere photos that take the cake. As professional I don’t know how much longer I can mess around with the brand xh2s is the same price as the canon r6mk2 colours might not be as nice but at least the photos are sharp
@@catbread2585 Tbh I Didn't have alot of problems with the xt2 at least not to this extent, but I tended to use single point alot and never the video. But for some reason the Xh2s (can't speak for the other cameras) seems to like focusing on other things other than what you're asking it to focus on. A very simple test will enable you to see this.(as I said not as bad as it once was) a locked camera on a tripod taking a number of shots with IBIS switched off still shows and amount of focus drift on a still life and its problematic enough to cause problems with product photography. The argument here is a 10 year old camera with a cheap 3rd party lens is running circles round it.
@@gaza4543 interesting! Yeah I have no reason to defend them, I think this video can only benefit Fuji users in the long run, I was actually going to buy the Fuji xh2s to pair with my gfx 100ii (which is a slow body but I think everyone is aware of that) so I thought I would go for it to have a sharper faster af, but yeah, not going to happen, will keep the xt3 for a while and see what to do. On a side note, I was shooting stills with the gfx under the sun and sometimes I had overheating warnings, which is pretty bad cause it’s not even that summer HOT, so I don’t know, I bought that for weddings and now I’m a bit concerned, I’m still doing other works that will be ok with the gfx, but yeah, will see 😅
I gave up after firmware 6. Bought an R6MII and on day one couldn't stop laughing. I caught a dog running at me full speed. EVERY SINGLE SHOT IN FOCUS. No special settings and using the cheap 100-400 lens. Every camera will miss once in a while but Fuji (I had the X-H2S most recently) has atrocious AF. Good for static subjects and that's all.
The Sony sometimes looses the face, but quickly recovers and does so smoothly, which is crucial for a pleasing result. The Fujifilm looses the face, panics, jumps around like a cat stung by a bee, finds the face for a second and then is completely lost again. The stepping is just inexcusable as well. They haven't cared for almost a decade, as people still buy it for the *tones* and the *aesthetic*, so chances are slim to none that anything actually improves. But hey, now you get a wheel to select your preset image profiles, isn't that worth much more than even remotely working AF?
this is such an unfair comparison! ughhh! Fuji is better! It focuses in advance. If only the model knows how to catch focus! Fujifilm focuses 50% of the time a hundred percent of the time!! hurr durhhh that viltrox lens is definitely faster focusing than the fooji! you should use the same exact lens!! arrrrgghhh Love the comparison mate! keep it coming! Fuji needs to change up their game!!!! Damn the Fuji colors are definitely so good, such a shame the autofocus is so crap.
This is the exact reason I left Fuji. I just wanted to take pictures of my son but it couldn’t even focus on him when he was sitting still. And that’s with the Xs20 and the 23mm LM WR
I think that's just your setting. I can take my baby daughter photo just fine with xt3 + those ancient lens (xf18 xf35f1.4) or tokina 23 That's just stills, video I don't dare to say anything
The worse thing about the Fuji AF is that it lies. It's not even a thief, it's a politician. It shows you the green box but the focus is somewhere else. This is especially bad for portrait/fashion photographers because you can only check after the session if that perfect expression was actually focused on the eye...with video at least you know right away it was crap. And I know from experience it doesn't help to take several shots, "to make sure", because they will all be focused on the wrong area.
Spot on. I am a fashion photographer and I hate that the eyes are not focus even though it showed green while shooting. I have this problem on XT4 and XH2 as well.
I mean, I know the AF isn't as good as Sony. But I still switched from my a74 setup to an xh2s because the lag for non stacked sensors was too much for me, and an xh2s is £3k cheaper than an A1.
I own the XT2 and XH2 and I can honestly say that my XH2 is much more accurate for photo and video in any scenario, than my XT2. I also shoot Sony Nikon and Canon and Fujifilm’s autofocus has not caught up to the big 3 but it is leaps ahead of where it was. I’ve actually used my XH2 with various Viltrox lenses to record some of my friends RUclips videos and I did not experience the issues that were shown here 🤷🏽. I honestly pick up my XH2 more than I do my Z8 and ZV-E1
As I fujifan I want to thank you, because you've just saved me 2k euro :) Now I've got the same weird autofocus issues with my x-t3 and I was prepared to buy xh2s :) but now I don't know, anything but not this
Just curious, what lens do you use on the x-t3? I wonder if the 18-55 works better than primes. It's been good for me for stills, but not noticably better or worse than an a6000 with kitlens for stills.
To be honest, im a fujifan too but, hey, NO WAY, DONT BUY AN XH2S. Especially if you dont shot in manual mode. Do you want something powerful? Fx30, a7Siii...
I have a XH2-S and I actually don’t like the image it produces for video. I feel like the image is flat and overly “digital”. Sure the colours and dynamic range are nice, but there’s just something off about it. If you’re mostly shooting stills, I would stick to the XT-3. If you want to get serious about film making, I would not choose Fuji and buy a used BMPCC 4k.
Fuji needs to reconfigure the autofocus from the very beginning. Fuji: please fire the engineers in charge of that terrible AF and spend the millions necessary to get those from Sony.
THANK GOD I happened to come across your channel. I was within a day or two from purchasing the xh2s and going all in on fuji. Had watched tons of videos and never once was this issue discussed. Apparently the best fix for this is a new Nikon z6iii or z8 or a Sony from a decade ago!!!
I have Fuji XT3, and i see no progres in autofocus at all. I knew that when i was buying it, so i'm using manual focus only and i have focus motor for gimbal. So i treat it like a "cinema" camera. I think Fuji XH2S doesn't have ANY phase detection points, seems like this is a lie. Because it is impossible for phace AF to perform like that. It looks like it's contrast based only. And few words about a6000 - this is the best 1080P camera you can get for the price. I used to work woth this camera a lot in 2017. It has incredibly clean shadows when you push it. Far better than a6700. It has awesome dynamic range in video. Try to tweak a flat profile, or try to push the white point down in curves. You will be impressed how many information you will bring back. That's because it's 109 gamma, so 9% is above the viewing range. And colors.. they are decend. A6300 that came after was worse almost in everything. The only advantage was the 4k with overheating and unusable rolling shutter.
Exatcl, how i Was dissapointed when i buyed A6300 and see the 1080p is much worse than 6000. There is only reason why i sell my A6000 - blue light clipping.
Dude this is fact! My old 2014 Sony a5100, a super basic small mirrorless camera, has a much more reliable AF performance than my colleague’s recently bought X-T5, one of Fuji’s smaller flagship
Hahaha. Sorry, can't post or link your videos on any Fuji forums. Your name = instant warning and thread being deleted. You‘ve got Fuji Mods, the forums all over, in a mess. The more objective and indisputable evidence you post, the more Fuji mods cry. Love it, Keep going.
Fuji needs to see this and do something now! Im sick of this shit... You can get a slightly used A7IV for the price of a new XH2s and the Sony is light years ahead. My next body wont be from Fuji thats for sure! Great video mate 🍻
Try Canon R8 for half the price of A7IV. It has even better AF, colors better than Fuji, it's smaller and lighter and with IS lens it's stabilisation beats Sony IBIS as well.
@@MrRafalEnR8 looks great, but their RF lenses are way too big and expensive. They didn't open their mount yet and theres no alternatives from Tamron and Sigma. Sony has a much bigger choice of lenses.
Whew! I was considering switching from my Sony a7iii to the XH2S cuz i wanted a Fujifilm camera for mostly photos but also something that was video capable. Safe to say, this real review turned me off from switching 😭😭😭.
Thank you for this video, I have been using Fuji XH2S and am very frustrated with its AF. I shoot birds and I think the Canon EOS R has more reliable AF. I hope Fuji takes this seriously and fixes the issue
Oh the stepping Fuji does when going for infinity to close or vice versa is brutal. My XT4 does that. It has to like go half way, waits a minute, then finishes. Hahahaha😂
Wow! And that's the fastest sensor Fuji currently has. I'm really happy I've chosen the S5 II and not the H2. At first, I wanted the latter mostly because of the 8K video. Then, a sale (1700eur for the double-lens S5 II kit) came along and I couldn't resist, even if it's "only" 6K. BTW, did you know the H2 isn't truly 8K but seems to just upscale 6K to 8K? At least based on the DPReview resolution charts etc., I think that's the case. It basically has the same effective resolution as the S5 II's 6K Open Gate mode (but, of course, it's 16:9 and not "just" 3:2). Real 8K Nikon / Canon / Sony cameras have significantly better pixel-level sharpness than the H2.
BTW, at first, I was very skeptical with the Lumix's autofocus because, back then, I didn't know occasionally no camera is capable to properly autofocus at f11+. Now that I don't go over f9 (except when I expicitly want nice sunstars), I have had no major AF problems with the S5 II at all. Actually, now that I've shot at a major local sport event (Motonet GP) at 6K and, after realizing I had tons of visitors from India looking for their women's 100m hurdles-winning star Jyothi Yarraji, I've grabbed around 25 6K 30p video frames showing her two runs. I stood directly in front of the finish line and used the 20-60 kit lens at 60mm. Almost all frames turned out to be in focus. Absolutely stellar performance for such a n affordable combo! (Zone focusing with centered area and human recognition enabled. Camera on the DJI RS4 gimbal; I've followed (kept in the center) the winner during the shooting; that is, her.)
@@DarkPa1adin They aren't THAT good either - max. recording time is generally 60-90 minutes with them. Then, cooldown. While with a decent camera with active, built-in cooling records for hours in direct sunlight. I've done this (recording hour-long sport events in sunlight) with the Lumix S5 II (6K OPen Gate 30p) and it didn't let me down.
We really need to all vlogers who use fuji cameras make a hipe on this focusing problem, like recently with panasonic camera, so that on fuji would see that they are crossing a line with ignoring this problem that long
As an XH2S user, I cannot tell you how often I’ve had issues with my af. And other users will tell me of you need to tweak the af settings. I’ve had an a6000 and an a7riii. Both much older cameras. I never had to mess with af for it to work. Fuji needs to get its shit together. I literally just use manual af on certain shots…
nice fair and non biased test, Thank you. I kind of accepted it on my xt30 as its fairly old, but after trying the XH2 and now X100VI. I'm glad i switched to sony.
And this is why Voigtlander lens are getting popular for Fuji... Manual focus (atm) is the way to go on Fuji :( Fuji stop making new cameras! Fix your existing ones.
Bought the X-H2 early last year and sold it after 3 months. Both with wildlife and Family-Events, it was completely unreliable. You think the camera is nailing it, but most shots are either soft or completely out of focus. Had to take like 20 pictures of a perched bird, just to make absolutely sure there's one that is perfectly tack sharp. The Z8 I got to replace the Fuji is in a completely different league, once you get to know the quirks of the system, it's rock solid and has never let me down.
Think I might be in the same boat. I trialled an A7iv and X-H2 before going with the Fuji and a 16-55 red label. I love it, but the AF false positives bug me. I can deal with not acquiring focus, sometimes. What I can’t deal with is telling me you’re focused on an eye when clearly in the shot you were focused on the wall behind. An OM-1.2 with 12-40 Pro II arrived yesterday. It may be my X-H2’s executioner. If not I’m going to have to go Sony (despite me really not wanting to for some unexplained reason).
This is why I switched to Sony for events, I still use for basic portraits because I love the colors. Staggering the results, the a6000 was way ahead of its time!
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Great video dude! I like the style, I really do. I am a Fujifilm user myself, their AF is definitely not on par with the competition. Some lenses perform better than others, sometimes the settings of the camera need to be changed based on the lens you're using. The AF on other systems like Sony and Canon just works out of the box with most lenses. I still like my Fuji cameras though and I enjoy working with them both for freelancing and personal work. But I did enjoy the video! Super fain!
I have owned both the a6000 and xt3 for several years. I completely agree with what you said. While I love the xt3, I am always shocked how good the af on the a6000 is when I use it. Wish Fuji would reverse engineer AT LEAST the af on the a6000 and implement it in their cameras. Great review!
A GH6 will destroy the Fuji. As long as you don't mind the bokeh balls pulsing. OG G9 probably as well, at least with AFC photos. Not sure how G9 would do with this kind of video autofocus test though
My LX100 has surprisingly sticky tracking and face detection for its age, it pulses but there's a constant effort, I actually like it a lot in photo mode. Fuji meanwhile just refuses to focus lol
Omg this is like comedy! It just hurt my eyes during watching this. Thanks for time and effort, for creating this video Edvard. Well.. At least Fujifilm skin tones are much, much better 😁
I Have an xt4 and xh2s. Probably going to sell one of those to get a sony for video and just use the fuji for stills. Its sad how bad the video autofocus is. I dont understand how they haven't put a statement out acknowledging the issues and at least say they are working on a fix and firmware update.
thanks for conducting and sharing this test. I sadly can only confirm this. I am mainly doing still, but I am immediately put mentally behind my camera when I see your tests. So said and embarrassing. And, as I am an optimistic and humorous person, it´s also funny at times how the camera e.g. seems to avoid eyes... (I am on x-t5 and various latest gen LM prime lenses and latest FW (3.01); I tested all kinds of settings in many hours. Main subjects were 2 kids, 1 and 4 - so true real life and not too challenging for a 2024 camera system; mainly AF-C). I think - without going there in this short comments field - the issue is multi-fold: eye detection (does the green box find an eye or anything else which for my eyes looks far different than eyes and is also more at the border of the impage) and sticking to the eye once found and green box != focus (T-shirt or neck or leaves in the backgournd are sharp but neither the eyes nor the faces) etc. In my opinion it got little worse with 3.01 and as said it's not only 1 problem. When I am really honest and picky my success rate (my mistakes excluded) is around 50%. For another 25% I see myself looking for "creative" Styles (Catpure One) or fancy presets to "save" the image, black and white can also distract from poor focus - maybe that´s why they offer film recepies and simulations - because a cool look can distract from poor focus and then you can call it "character" ;-)
Under the AF Mode for the FujiFilm X-H2S, there is no Multi-Mode; there is Single Point, Zone, Wide/Tracking, and All. The old firmware has Multi. Where are you getting that setting?
Great video. Fuji has lots of work to do. My new A6700 with the Sony AI focus system blows away all previous Sony APS-C autofocus so I can only imagine it would wipe the floor with Fuji. The A6700 also has better autofocus, especially under difficult lighting conditions, than my flagship Micro4/3 cameras (Panasonic G9M2 and OM-1). Only the superior Panasonic IBIS and incredible video versatility (such as open-gate recording) makes me want to keep it.
I wonder how it compares with Lumix S5 IIx and Nikon ZF in photo and video, I'm considering switching from Fuji but wanna my new camera be as exciting as my film cameras, and I know for the fact that best for photo for me particularly will be Nikon ZF and for video Lumix S5 IIx for video, problem is I'm 50/50 photo video shooter and don't wanna have redundant equipment, nor I have budget for it
Hi Ed ! hope you are well. how sad to hear that you are experiencing all these problems with your camera. I had the sony a6300 and then bought the x-h2s. i can happily tell you that the fuji is working great for me. I am lucky that I never had any problems with auto focus. One of the things I notice in the video, is that you are using MULTI which I never use. I use AREA, FACE EYE RIGHT ON and with this same scenario, it works great. With the a6300, I was going crazy with auto focus but when I started using the x-h2s, I was pleased to find that I was no longer having problems. Anyway, I understand your frustration and by making this video, maybe fujifilm will continue to work on getting the results you expect. I also add that I don't use any fujifilm lenses. I am currently using sigma lenses which work very well for me. Have a nice weekend !
@@marcorosero5752 te creo ! por eso digo que me parece muy triste que muchas personas esten experimentando este problema ! Realmente espero que lo solucionen en el proximo firmware release!
Funny thing is, that if the footage was both in focus, most clients would otherwise not recognize any quality difference (after some color corrections) between the two (after some color correction of the old Sony green tint). For some time I have been noticing, that in the new AV gear in the past decade, we are more and more just paying for the user features, not "result" features.
Fuji has terrible autofocus, even compaired to a 10 year old apsc cam. If you would compaire it to lets say a A7C2 it would completely destroy it, No comparison. Just checked and it costs a stagering 2700 euros and thats the autofocus you get. Very good video, just subt. Keep it coming.
When compared to the canon r7 and the sony 6700, the xh2s is the worst in autofocus. Arguably they have the best colours but colours can be fixed in post. Good luck fixing out of focus photos and videos lol
I'm keep repeating this over and over: Fuji has best color science in industry and worst AF-C. Sony has worst color science in industry but best AF-C 😁
Yeah in this comparison as it's compared to old Sony model where colors are horrendous. Now I compared X-S20 to my Canon R8 and I like colors in Canon better, especially in video. Panasonic and Nikon also have beautiful colors and I don't understand this hype. I believed it until I tested modern Canon R8 and Nikon Zf and Fuji is not better. Maybe just gimmick film recipes from FujixWeekly but I only like couple from there and they get boring fast.
Current Sony cameras (like the A7C II/R or the A7RV) have a very good color science. Even my 5 years old A6400 has decent colors. But everything older than that was rubbish. If he would have used the A6400 for the comparison (or any more modern Sony), you would not see big differences to current Fuji colors. And I can tell you: The colors coming out of my A7C are so much better than then colors from both of my Fuji cameras.
fuji taught me how to film by just manual focus and it helped me. if their af wasnt terrible i wouldnt even use manual focus at all. they need to step up rather than introducing some new cam and shi
Also just tried this with my 33 and XH2. From my testing, if I move forward/backwards too fast the camera just kinda gives up trying to keep focus. Slowing down going forward and backwards does a way better job of keeping it in focus. Not trying to say "it's a user problem", but finding out why something doesn't do as well as other can help get to the bottom of the issues these bodies have.
Making the focus very slow so that it doesnt hunt its not a solution. That's not tracking, its single focus style AF. Settings were the fastest on both of them.
'eyy! You got a shout out on Camera Conspiracies and I dig your content. Especially this. I love the mean reviews on these things. I am definitely following
They have colossally f*cked up! All my fuji LM lenses are latest and they all step just like your demo. You can’t use Multi AF at all! I’m really hoping that they are actively working on a fix!
That 6.0 firmware should have stay in beta ( or at least give the choice to downgrade), seems that tracking works only with contrast detect and has many bugs. For the moment people looking for a reliable AF should only use Zone phase.
There's not many camera channels that I really like but I love camera conspiracies. I like the way you make your vids. You aren't a paid advertisement. Just tell it like it is with some dry humor
this is very similar to my experience with the X100F, which I sold. also very similar to my X-T3 when using it with the 56mm f1.2 lens. that lens is great when it works. the problem is that it hunts more than the other lenses I used. The 18mm f1.4 lens is better though. Def. lots of headaches and anxiety when it comes to using the cameras, for sure. The new reviews claim that the X100VI has excellent AF... Kinda hoping that you would do a real-world review, esp when it comes to the AF on that camera. There are many things I like about the Fujifilm cameras, but the AF is kinda fundamental when it comes to usability. Sadly, the YT reviews are NOT reliable, and sometimes knowingly dishonest when it comes to fair assessment of a new gadget/camera.
That's a social feature of fujifilm, to let us see more of the environment you're filming. "Oh, look at this tree!" Is fujifilms thinking. Also trees are more interesting than people. They actually catch carbon from the atmosphere to produce oxygen that your model breaths. Tree-AF is always on and rewrites your manual inputs. ( Which you could only set, because you breath oxygen). Thanks Fuji
I had used a bunch of Fuji camera bodies and lenses but not the modern, recent model like XH2S, really disappointed to see its AF performance is still not improving. It is likely the Fujis have cons with minimum focus distance and their AF
Coincidentally I found a sony a6000 in a charity shop for 20 pound with a broken lens. once i replaced it i did the comparison with my x-t30 and the results were hilarious. A part from the fact that while it took me years to fine tune my fuji the sony was already up for the task. The sony has better grip, awful battery (but maybe it needs a fresh one) and worse screen but if i had to choose which one to give to a friend who starts from zero I'll give him the Sony without a doubt. Btw I'm mainly focused on photos but the results are the same. Also, the sony is so tiny, less focused on film simulations and more on giving results and after all is not that ugly. The only thing is i use my camera mostly in manual or single shot for the most so to me the colours of fuji in jpeg matter more. But finally, at least i now that if i will upgrade I'll just go for the xt3, because there is no actual improvement with the recent cameras lol. Well done!
With open gate and 14 stops of dynamic range, the X-h2s makes the entire Sony mirrorless line up look like toys. Need yo take a real photography class if lightning fast auto-focus is the hill you stand on.
Very comprehensive test, can't argue with the facts... I am so glad I switched from Fuji to Sony last year, X-S20 to ZV-E1, it's not even close, dynamic range, 4k120, low light performance, noise levels and of course autofocus, all way way way better.
I find it incredibly funny that in the year 2024 there is an APS-C sensor Fuji camera for the price of a Sony A7 IV (at least comparing the prices in my country) which isn't even comparable to it. It's sad, really, for all the people that bought the camera on the premise that the autofocus is improved and comparable to Sony's (which seeing from your videos it clearly isn't). Makes me even happier that I got an a6700 instead of anything else.
The key for getting Fuji flagship is to buy it cheap. Either buy last generation or get it with heavily cut when they want to discontinue. The firmware is pretty much sorted out and you're not a beta tester for them They aren't worth it buying latest. Also don't buy non flagship if you hope for firmware improvement, the firmware update is non existent
I made a AF test with the xh2s too....the result was similar. If the subject or the camera is moving it loses the the focus all the time. Tracking with the xh2s? No. Imagine to shoot a wedding and you have to rely to the tracking af...
I shot multiple weddings with my xh2 and it wasn’t a pleasant experience. For a year I’ve been waiting for a fw update that would finally fix it but I give up. Too many missed moments - walking down the aisle, candid moments in burst where the best shots are not in focus - my first time with my xh2, i actually missed the first kiss. I since learned to shoot in AF-S but I wanted to move on from the 80s. 1 shoot with the r6 and I’m back to canon
It is definitely fast at tracking… The green box hit rate is close to 100% but the green box isn’t actually a focus point indicator, it just says that it is focused somewhere that is not the green box
@@destinybond lol yeah that false hope, may look fine on the LCD, look at it on a computer monitor and shake your fists at the Kaizen overlords XD. Similar experience with samsung phones and how they process their images, looks okay on screen but then view your photos on PC and the regrets come quick lol.
this is really timely! it's just not usable Autofocus. my xs20 using new lens 16-50 and also 18-55, it loses its focus everytime. however, my zve1 with kit lens won't have any issue. i enjoy your video and laugh so hard. sub!
I remember when the XPRO1 came out (2011/2012). My friend was excited about it, bought one, and pooh poohed my new Olympus EM5. It then turned out that Fuji focusing was awful compared to the Oly. Because I love their low-light rendering and because I hate switching lenses I currently have 3 XPro1s, an XE2s, and recently bought and XH2s and love the images but I still don't expect them to be able to compete with other brands I own. They're for static shots only.
Nothing to do with how you got the Fujifilm setup incorrectly 🙄 A lot of this is user error.
yeah let's blame him ignoring the fact that LM motor focuses like a trash lens from a film era
It was a good test. Obviously you have no credibility
User error😂😂
It's all thanks to edvard i saved my $1500. I was following fuji blindly (it's a great company no doubt) but i recently they're not listening to the community like they used to.
Please share with us all the errors. 😂😂😂
This is what a real world autofocus test is.
I hope Fujifilm listen to their users and takes this autofocus issue seriously.
this can't be fixed by firmware, their Xtrans 5 processor is years behind compared to the competition, they need to change everything
How can you be so sure? Sony actually makes x trans. I don't think that's related exclusively to the sensor.
@@smartideas-pedro1690 the xtrans 5 processor, not the sensor
their af works great in photos because that's what photography cameras are for
@@mdenjoyer831 that's just not true lol, the sensor is made by Sony, the only difference is that it has a x-trans colour filter array instead of bayer, doesn't affect autofocus at all
Fujifilm needs to be bashed constantly in order for them to fix the autofocus. We did the same with Panasonic. They were the worst for years. Everyone acknowledged it. Even Lumix fanboys knew they were the worst. They fixed it last year. We need to keep the pressure.
Panasonic depth from defocus (DFD) AF mechanism can be distracting but the focus is right on the spot. I don't mind use Panasonic DFD cameras for stills. But false positive AF in the Fuji cameras is disappointing.
Agree, agree, and more agree. Im asking Fuji every week to solve AF issues. This video hurts. Im keeping Fuji this year, if AF doesnt get better, im giving up, bye 2s, hello fx30... This video is a shame for Fuji. WTF IS THAT AF... A6000 GOT 10 YEARS, 10 F***ING YEARS... WTF is Fuji doing??? An XT50? X100vi?? They are ALL basically an XT5... Sony, Canon, perfect AF... Meanwhile, Fuji works in a 16-50 2.8 -... 4.8????? Who the hell wants that... AF, AF, AF... Im so close to be done with Fuji
My old Gx80 had like a 10x more accurate autofocus when taking photos, and very similar, maybe even a little bit better autofocus in video (on thrid party Sigma 16mm f1.4 lens). Clearly internet was just harsher on Panasonic 🙂
Yes. Hopefully they'll listen. You are right.... Panasonic did listen.
Fujifilm XH2S + 33mm LM WR = 3500$
Sony a6000 (Second hand) + Viltrox 33mm = 400$
Perfect timing with iamtongues xt-5 autofocus issues video. I'm glad people are pointing out fujifilms biggest issue!
edvard is the OG that spoke up. Edvard is the hero we need
Turns out the real Potato is Fuji, not Nikon.
I'm using +1 sensitivity and -2 af speed and work very well with my XS10.
@@renato.meinberg xs20 uses the old sensor like my xt3. I’ve tried every setting in the book on my xh2 and in each firmware update and it has not gotten any better. Still misses focus at least 40-50% of the time.
@@ufukkiblat I actually switched to a Nikon zf it’s what the xt-5 should’ve been sadly
Criticisms like this will only make Fujifilm better, if they know how to take them seriously to better their products. This worked so well for Sony. (I remember when Sony was starting with their A7 series... bad auto-focus, bad ergonomics, bad menu system...)
Dude, it was 10 years ago, and Sony were first to make classic mirrorless camera. There were not any other competitors. Since 2018 everybody makes mirrorless with decent AF, and since 2021 it's almost flawless in Canon and Sony. What do you even mean criticism will make Fujifilm better? They can't fix for 5 years already.
They had 5 years prior to the X-H2S to blow up the current AF system and start from scratch. They didn’t do it, despite tons of feedback. I posted a couple of YT videos back then exposing the AF lies and was torched in the comments by Fuji fanboys. I almost cried when I used the A7iv for the first time.
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Criticisms like this will only make Fujifilm better, "
Problem is, Fuji's known for over a decade their AF isn't great. So many FW updates stating AF improvements, WAY more than Sony ever released, yet we're still at this point, where Fuji's highest end ever camera is struggling in AF like it was using CDAF. Fuji won't do anything significant until their sales take a hit.
@@alexozh-ju2jc hence the "if" that follows that clause, if they would take the criticism seriously.
Yes. But film simulations. Lol. Keep it up man 👍🏼
😂
Is it wrong that I don't really like them? I find that I'm switching all the time because nothing does everything quite right, I've got too choose between weird cyan sky, magenta or yellow skin, weird foliage greens, etc.
I usually try to stick to Astia - but I lose all the nice pink and purple sunset nuances, so I jump into Velvia or Pro Neg H. Which is fine most of the time, but it means I didn't need any more simulations than the X-Pro 1 had. 😂
I think I prefer Nikon, Canon, and Olympus colours more. Even Sony doesn't look too bad anymore.
Hi man, great to see you here, I am actually a fanboy of the film simulations. Never film in LOG :D
@@-grey its better to make film presets and apply them to your raw
oh, hi there Omar :) Do You also have troubles with Fujifilm eye-tracking AF-C mode?
It’s even worse in stills. So many false positives.
I’ve watched your video as well last year and has got a little bit better but you’re right! it’s not just the false positives it’s the almost in but not focussed anywhere photos that take the cake. As professional I don’t know how much longer I can mess around with the brand xh2s is the same price as the canon r6mk2 colours might not be as nice but at least the photos are sharp
Is it? Not trying to defend them but I’m not having issues with the xt3 or the gfx 100ii
You're video inspired me to make this :D
@@catbread2585 Tbh I Didn't have alot of problems with the xt2 at least not to this extent, but I tended to use single point alot and never the video. But for some reason the Xh2s (can't speak for the other cameras) seems to like focusing on other things other than what you're asking it to focus on. A very simple test will enable you to see this.(as I said not as bad as it once was) a locked camera on a tripod taking a number of shots with IBIS switched off still shows and amount of focus drift on a still life and its problematic enough to cause problems with product photography. The argument here is a 10 year old camera with a cheap 3rd party lens is running circles round it.
@@gaza4543 interesting! Yeah I have no reason to defend them, I think this video can only benefit Fuji users in the long run, I was actually going to buy the Fuji xh2s to pair with my gfx 100ii (which is a slow body but I think everyone is aware of that) so I thought I would go for it to have a sharper faster af, but yeah, not going to happen, will keep the xt3 for a while and see what to do.
On a side note, I was shooting stills with the gfx under the sun and sometimes I had overheating warnings, which is pretty bad cause it’s not even that summer HOT, so I don’t know, I bought that for weddings and now I’m a bit concerned, I’m still doing other works that will be ok with the gfx, but yeah, will see 😅
As much as I love my xh2s, this video really shows how far behind fuji’s autofocus is. Hope it gets improved - i don’t wanna switch systems.
I gave up after firmware 6. Bought an R6MII and on day one couldn't stop laughing. I caught a dog running at me full speed. EVERY SINGLE SHOT IN FOCUS. No special settings and using the cheap 100-400 lens. Every camera will miss once in a while but Fuji (I had the X-H2S most recently) has atrocious AF. Good for static subjects and that's all.
The Sony sometimes looses the face, but quickly recovers and does so smoothly, which is crucial for a pleasing result. The Fujifilm looses the face, panics, jumps around like a cat stung by a bee, finds the face for a second and then is completely lost again. The stepping is just inexcusable as well. They haven't cared for almost a decade, as people still buy it for the *tones* and the *aesthetic*, so chances are slim to none that anything actually improves. But hey, now you get a wheel to select your preset image profiles, isn't that worth much more than even remotely working AF?
That's the main issue. Lack of smoothness. And I think that's they main issue why it is so bad.
this is such an unfair comparison! ughhh!
Fuji is better! It focuses in advance. If only the model knows how to catch focus!
Fujifilm focuses 50% of the time a hundred percent of the time!! hurr durhhh that viltrox lens is definitely faster focusing than the fooji! you should use the same exact lens!! arrrrgghhh
Love the comparison mate! keep it coming! Fuji needs to change up their game!!!!
Damn the Fuji colors are definitely so good, such a shame the autofocus is so crap.
Sony colors are so violet😂😂😂
But don't forget the Sony is 45 yrs old, have a century before colors were invented.
You are kicking their ass!
This is the exact reason I left Fuji. I just wanted to take pictures of my son but it couldn’t even focus on him when he was sitting still. And that’s with the Xs20 and the 23mm LM WR
I think that's just your setting. I can take my baby daughter photo just fine with xt3 + those ancient lens (xf18 xf35f1.4) or tokina 23
That's just stills, video I don't dare to say anything
i'm 3 minutes in the video and almost dropped my coffee by laughing,
how is that possible on a 2500 euro camera with 1000 euro lens 🤣🤣
Exactly
The worse thing about the Fuji AF is that it lies. It's not even a thief, it's a politician. It shows you the green box but the focus is somewhere else. This is especially bad for portrait/fashion photographers because you can only check after the session if that perfect expression was actually focused on the eye...with video at least you know right away it was crap. And I know from experience it doesn't help to take several shots, "to make sure", because they will all be focused on the wrong area.
Reminds me of the DSLR days. Retro in the '20s is chimping after every shot, I guess!
Spot on. I am a fashion photographer and I hate that the eyes are not focus even though it showed green while shooting. I have this problem on XT4 and XH2 as well.
But the retro dials and simulations give you all the fun experience of missing the shot. 😂
I almost spit soda all over my monitor. Well done! 😂
Stunning comment (and I’m a Fuji user) 😂
Thanks for your honest comparison, we need more reviewers like you to put the pressure on Fujifilm. No one should be downvoting or hating
Fujifilm fanboys just entered their "m43 doesn't need phase detection" dark self-defense-denial phase
That sounds like a projection, because nobody in this comment section is actually doing that
I mean, I know the AF isn't as good as Sony.
But I still switched from my a74 setup to an xh2s because the lag for non stacked sensors was too much for me, and an xh2s is £3k cheaper than an A1.
@@GeraintDafisz6iii 2,5k stacked fullframe.
Hows it feelin ?
This is the main thing that's stopping me from upgrading my X-T2. I'm considering shifting to Lumix
Not gonna lie, the xt2 may have a slow af-c but the af is more accurate than the xh2s.
It’s funny my X-T2 has much better auto focus with the 23 R WR than this Fuji in the video
My X-T2 has much better auto focus than my Lumix GH5, if you upgrade to a Lumix, make sure it has phase detect auto focus like the G9 II or S5 ii
I own the XT2 and XH2 and I can honestly say that my XH2 is much more accurate for photo and video in any scenario, than my XT2. I also shoot Sony Nikon and Canon and Fujifilm’s autofocus has not caught up to the big 3 but it is leaps ahead of where it was. I’ve actually used my XH2 with various Viltrox lenses to record some of my friends RUclips videos and I did not experience the issues that were shown here 🤷🏽. I honestly pick up my XH2 more than I do my Z8 and ZV-E1
@@visionz_n_media is he too close to the camera the reason for it being out of focus?
I had a A6000 for many years. The autofocus still holds up really nice even in 2024. Keep up the awesome work man!
As I fujifan I want to thank you, because you've just saved me 2k euro :) Now I've got the same weird autofocus issues with my x-t3 and I was prepared to buy xh2s :)
but now I don't know, anything but not this
Fujifilm hasn't improved anything in the AF since the X-T2. Just faster processors helped it be 2% faster each time.
Just curious, what lens do you use on the x-t3? I wonder if the 18-55 works better than primes. It's been good for me for stills, but not noticably better or worse than an a6000 with kitlens for stills.
@@OttosTheName Yep, 18-55 is amazing, but it does not help my xt-3 to find me right in front of it.
To be honest, im a fujifan too but, hey, NO WAY, DONT BUY AN XH2S. Especially if you dont shot in manual mode. Do you want something powerful? Fx30, a7Siii...
I have a XH2-S and I actually don’t like the image it produces for video. I feel like the image is flat and overly “digital”. Sure the colours and dynamic range are nice, but there’s just something off about it.
If you’re mostly shooting stills, I would stick to the XT-3. If you want to get serious about film making, I would not choose Fuji and buy a used BMPCC 4k.
How is fuji behind lumix now?
5 years at least
Would love to see how the xh2S compares to an older camera like the fujifilm XT3.
As a fuji Xt4 and Xh2 Owner, I can confirm everything he said was right about Fujifilm. Fujifilm autofocus is 10 years behind the competition.
Fuji needs to reconfigure the autofocus from the very beginning. Fuji: please fire the engineers in charge of that terrible AF and spend the millions necessary to get those from Sony.
This may be working. Reengineering of autofocus from the scratch.
I also realize my Fujis focus with aperture half shut, where DSLRs focus with aperture wide open - can you see something, Fujifilm?
THANK GOD I happened to come across your channel. I was within a day or two from purchasing the xh2s and going all in on fuji. Had watched tons of videos and never once was this issue discussed. Apparently the best fix for this is a new Nikon z6iii or z8 or a Sony from a decade ago!!!
Its in the new firmwares , if you install firmware 1 on your future xh2s it will be better, but anyway z6iii its better
I have Fuji XT3, and i see no progres in autofocus at all. I knew that when i was buying it, so i'm using manual focus only and i have focus motor for gimbal. So i treat it like a "cinema" camera. I think Fuji XH2S doesn't have ANY phase detection points, seems like this is a lie. Because it is impossible for phace AF to perform like that. It looks like it's contrast based only.
And few words about a6000 - this is the best 1080P camera you can get for the price. I used to work woth this camera a lot in 2017. It has incredibly clean shadows when you push it. Far better than a6700. It has awesome dynamic range in video. Try to tweak a flat profile, or try to push the white point down in curves. You will be impressed how many information you will bring back. That's because it's 109 gamma, so 9% is above the viewing range. And colors.. they are decend. A6300 that came after was worse almost in everything. The only advantage was the 4k with overheating and unusable rolling shutter.
Exatcl, how i Was dissapointed when i buyed A6300 and see the 1080p is much worse than 6000. There is only reason why i sell my A6000 - blue light clipping.
Can you provide more information in regards to this, please? How many stops of dynamic range can you get with the 1080@60fps 28mbps codec?
"2024 Fujifilm autofocus technology" with that tone at 2:37 made me lol :D
Dude this is fact!
My old 2014 Sony a5100, a super basic small mirrorless camera, has a much more reliable AF performance than my colleague’s recently bought X-T5, one of Fuji’s smaller flagship
lol i listened to youtubers before i bought my fujifilm xh2s and xt5 ... lol a year later i regretted that decision .. fully back on my sony system
They definitely said “Fuji has caught up with canon”
My guy don't want peace 😂😂😂
AS HE SHOULD
@@hexiy_jpeg NO REST. the more the issue is put into the light the faster it gets fixed!!
He's the lisan al kaib
@@YannickKhong he will bring beautiful autofocus to the barren fuji software
@@iloaf2770 as it is written!
Hahaha. Sorry, can't post or link your videos on any Fuji forums. Your name = instant warning and thread being deleted. You‘ve got Fuji Mods, the forums all over, in a mess. The more objective and indisputable evidence you post, the more Fuji mods cry. Love it, Keep going.
Fuji colors are incredible, and I love my X100V for what it is. That said, I sold my XT5 and XH2 for an A7R5. It's been perfect. Great work here!
Fuji needs to see this and do something now! Im sick of this shit...
You can get a slightly used A7IV for the price of a new XH2s and the Sony is light years ahead. My next body wont be from Fuji thats for sure!
Great video mate 🍻
But the a7iv also had problems of its own. Rolling shutter, overheating. I think the best offer so far is Lumix S5II
Try Canon R8 for half the price of A7IV. It has even better AF, colors better than Fuji, it's smaller and lighter and with IS lens it's stabilisation beats Sony IBIS as well.
@@MrRafalEnR8 looks great, but their RF lenses are way too big and expensive. They didn't open their mount yet and theres no alternatives from Tamron and Sigma. Sony has a much bigger choice of lenses.
Thank you for this. I can't believe I was seriously considering switching to Fuji as my main system 🤣
I have 2 X-T3's and 2 X-H1's that I enjoy shooting along with a bunch of X-Mount glass.
I WILL NOT be upgrading my Fujis anytime soon.
Well done BTW!
I solved a lot of my auto focus issues by not using eye/face detection! But I only do stills.
Whew! I was considering switching from my Sony a7iii to the XH2S cuz i wanted a Fujifilm camera for mostly photos but also something that was video capable. Safe to say, this real review turned me off from switching 😭😭😭.
yo me estoy arrepintiendo de haber cambiando mi a7c por la xh2s .... los colores son hermosos pero el AF no pega uno en foto fatal y en video peor
Save up some money and buy A7RV for photography it’s hard to beat. Even used A7RIV
Thank you for this video, I have been using Fuji XH2S and am very frustrated with its AF. I shoot birds and I think the Canon EOS R has more reliable AF. I hope Fuji takes this seriously and fixes the issue
Definitely more reliable. I moved back to canon after that last fw update for my xh2. It didn’t fix the af issues at all
the autofocus in my 2008 canon 5d mark ii is more reliable than my the af in my fuji xt20 lmfao
Oh the stepping Fuji does when going for infinity to close or vice versa is brutal. My XT4 does that. It has to like go half way, waits a minute, then finishes. Hahahaha😂
Exactly
I own GFX, its takes superb pictures but focus is generally woeful, contributors at Fujirumors are in total denial about how bad fuji AF really is
Well, we all know the gfx limitation because of the bigger sensor, I don’t know which gfx do you have, but nobody ever said that system has a fast af
Please continue to speak up for us so that Fujifilm can admit their mistake and improve their focus problem.
Wow! And that's the fastest sensor Fuji currently has. I'm really happy I've chosen the S5 II and not the H2. At first, I wanted the latter mostly because of the 8K video. Then, a sale (1700eur for the double-lens S5 II kit) came along and I couldn't resist, even if it's "only" 6K.
BTW, did you know the H2 isn't truly 8K but seems to just upscale 6K to 8K? At least based on the DPReview resolution charts etc., I think that's the case. It basically has the same effective resolution as the S5 II's 6K Open Gate mode (but, of course, it's 16:9 and not "just" 3:2). Real 8K Nikon / Canon / Sony cameras have significantly better pixel-level sharpness than the H2.
BTW, at first, I was very skeptical with the Lumix's autofocus because, back then, I didn't know occasionally no camera is capable to properly autofocus at f11+. Now that I don't go over f9 (except when I expicitly want nice sunstars), I have had no major AF problems with the S5 II at all. Actually, now that I've shot at a major local sport event (Motonet GP) at 6K and, after realizing I had tons of visitors from India looking for their women's 100m hurdles-winning star Jyothi Yarraji, I've grabbed around 25 6K 30p video frames showing her two runs. I stood directly in front of the finish line and used the 20-60 kit lens at 60mm. Almost all frames turned out to be in focus. Absolutely stellar performance for such a n affordable combo! (Zone focusing with centered area and human recognition enabled. Camera on the DJI RS4 gimbal; I've followed (kept in the center) the winner during the shooting; that is, her.)
Get a used R5. Best value for 8k
@@DarkPa1adin too bad it very quickly (3-5 minutes in 8K) overheats (only the C variant has a fan), unlike the S5 II
@@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112 get a 3rd party attachment fan
@@DarkPa1adin They aren't THAT good either - max. recording time is generally 60-90 minutes with them. Then, cooldown. While with a decent camera with active, built-in cooling records for hours in direct sunlight. I've done this (recording hour-long sport events in sunlight) with the Lumix S5 II (6K OPen Gate 30p) and it didn't let me down.
We really need to all vlogers who use fuji cameras make a hipe on this focusing problem, like recently with panasonic camera, so that on fuji would see that they are crossing a line with ignoring this problem that long
This is not a video camera, its a hunting camera! Its heavy and blocky, ready to fight! 😂😂😂
As an XH2S user, I cannot tell you how often I’ve had issues with my af. And other users will tell me of you need to tweak the af settings. I’ve had an a6000 and an a7riii. Both much older cameras. I never had to mess with af for it to work. Fuji needs to get its shit together.
I literally just use manual af on certain shots…
nice fair and non biased test, Thank you. I kind of accepted it on my xt30 as its fairly old, but after trying the XH2 and now X100VI. I'm glad i switched to sony.
I definitely recommend the Fuji XF10. You'll have a lot of fun with it. Its autofocus is famous for its speed and accuracy. :)
I’m selling my fujifilm bodies. Nikon ZF is the way to go.
I’m only keeping my X-T3
bro is the camera gangsta of yt 🤣
that is just sad, the a6000 was my first mirrorless and now my latest performs worse.
And this is why Voigtlander lens are getting popular for Fuji... Manual focus (atm) is the way to go on Fuji :(
Fuji stop making new cameras! Fix your existing ones.
Bought the X-H2 early last year and sold it after 3 months.
Both with wildlife and Family-Events, it was completely unreliable. You think the camera is nailing it, but most shots are either soft or completely out of focus. Had to take like 20 pictures of a perched bird, just to make absolutely sure there's one that is perfectly tack sharp.
The Z8 I got to replace the Fuji is in a completely different league, once you get to know the quirks of the system, it's rock solid and has never let me down.
Think I might be in the same boat. I trialled an A7iv and X-H2 before going with the Fuji and a 16-55 red label. I love it, but the AF false positives bug me. I can deal with not acquiring focus, sometimes. What I can’t deal with is telling me you’re focused on an eye when clearly in the shot you were focused on the wall behind.
An OM-1.2 with 12-40 Pro II arrived yesterday. It may be my X-H2’s executioner. If not I’m going to have to go Sony (despite me really not wanting to for some unexplained reason).
This is why I switched to Sony for events, I still use for basic portraits because I love the colors. Staggering the results, the a6000 was way ahead of its time!
Great video dude! I like the style, I really do. I am a Fujifilm user myself, their AF is definitely not on par with the competition. Some lenses perform better than others, sometimes the settings of the camera need to be changed based on the lens you're using. The AF on other systems like Sony and Canon just works out of the box with most lenses. I still like my Fuji cameras though and I enjoy working with them both for freelancing and personal work. But I did enjoy the video! Super fain!
Did you quote Camera Conspiracies? Fantastic. You should get one of his Toneh T-Shirts and wear it in a video.
haha
I have owned both the a6000 and xt3 for several years. I completely agree with what you said. While I love the xt3, I am always shocked how good the af on the a6000 is when I use it. Wish Fuji would reverse engineer AT LEAST the af on the a6000 and implement it in their cameras. Great review!
Now I'd like to see Fuji vs Panasonic. The pannyboys from the good old days of DFD of course.
A GH6 will destroy the Fuji. As long as you don't mind the bokeh balls pulsing.
OG G9 probably as well, at least with AFC photos. Not sure how G9 would do with this kind of video autofocus test though
Latest DFD are better. GH6, S5, are clearly better.
My LX100 has surprisingly sticky tracking and face detection for its age, it pulses but there's a constant effort, I actually like it a lot in photo mode. Fuji meanwhile just refuses to focus lol
Thanks for this
this guy made me jump back to canon with my tail tucked between my legs. Hopefully this doesn't blow out before I sell all my fuji crap
Yeah, sad but true. And yet Fuji has the audacity to release the X-T50 for nearly the price of the X-T5 by still not working on fixing their AF.
I switched from Fuji to the a6700 and the difference in autofocus is incredible.
I am feeling that sony a7c2 is miles miles miles ahead in term of AF.
Omg this is like comedy! It just hurt my eyes during watching this.
Thanks for time and effort, for creating this video Edvard.
Well.. At least Fujifilm skin tones are much, much better 😁
Yes, but colors are not better not compared to new Sony cameras. This is an 10 years old, low end, ultra cheap camera compared to a high end Fuji.
I Have an xt4 and xh2s. Probably going to sell one of those to get a sony for video and just use the fuji for stills. Its sad how bad the video autofocus is. I dont understand how they haven't put a statement out acknowledging the issues and at least say they are working on a fix and firmware update.
thanks for conducting and sharing this test. I sadly can only confirm this. I am mainly doing still, but I am immediately put mentally behind my camera when I see your tests. So said and embarrassing. And, as I am an optimistic and humorous person, it´s also funny at times how the camera e.g. seems to avoid eyes... (I am on x-t5 and various latest gen LM prime lenses and latest FW (3.01); I tested all kinds of settings in many hours. Main subjects were 2 kids, 1 and 4 - so true real life and not too challenging for a 2024 camera system; mainly AF-C). I think - without going there in this short comments field - the issue is multi-fold: eye detection (does the green box find an eye or anything else which for my eyes looks far different than eyes and is also more at the border of the impage) and sticking to the eye once found and green box != focus (T-shirt or neck or leaves in the backgournd are sharp but neither the eyes nor the faces) etc. In my opinion it got little worse with 3.01 and as said it's not only 1 problem.
When I am really honest and picky my success rate (my mistakes excluded) is around 50%. For another 25% I see myself looking for "creative" Styles (Catpure One) or fancy presets to "save" the image, black and white can also distract from poor focus - maybe that´s why they offer film recepies and simulations - because a cool look can distract from poor focus and then you can call it "character" ;-)
Under the AF Mode for the FujiFilm X-H2S, there is no Multi-Mode; there is Single Point, Zone, Wide/Tracking, and All. The old firmware has Multi. Where are you getting that setting?
Great video. Fuji has lots of work to do. My new A6700 with the Sony AI focus system blows away all previous Sony APS-C autofocus so I can only imagine it would wipe the floor with Fuji. The A6700 also has better autofocus, especially under difficult lighting conditions, than my flagship Micro4/3 cameras (Panasonic G9M2 and OM-1). Only the superior Panasonic IBIS and incredible video versatility (such as open-gate recording) makes me want to keep it.
I wonder how it compares with Lumix S5 IIx and Nikon ZF in photo and video, I'm considering switching from Fuji but wanna my new camera be as exciting as my film cameras, and I know for the fact that best for photo for me particularly will be Nikon ZF and for video Lumix S5 IIx for video, problem is I'm 50/50 photo video shooter and don't wanna have redundant equipment, nor I have budget for it
I use a Sony a6300, and it's a beast.
I also have the Sony a6300...indeed, super autofocus!
But in slog2 or 3 the AF is no better than Fuji in this comparision.
#Fujifilm should update their technology before they continue to overprice their products.
Thanks for the video!
Too late. The xt50 is scalper price
Hi Ed ! hope you are well. how sad to hear that you are experiencing all these problems with your camera. I had the sony a6300 and then bought the x-h2s. i can happily tell you that the fuji is working great for me. I am lucky that I never had any problems with auto focus. One of the things I notice in the video, is that you are using MULTI which I never use. I use AREA, FACE EYE RIGHT ON and with this same scenario, it works great. With the a6300, I was going crazy with auto focus but when I started using the x-h2s, I was pleased to find that I was no longer having problems. Anyway, I understand your frustration and by making this video, maybe fujifilm will continue to work on getting the results you expect. I also add that I don't use any fujifilm lenses. I am currently using sigma lenses which work very well for me.
Have a nice weekend !
uso mi xh2s exactamente como tu y tengo los mismos problemas, el autofoco esta terrible
@@marcorosero5752 te creo ! por eso digo que me parece muy triste que muchas personas esten experimentando este problema ! Realmente espero que lo solucionen en el proximo firmware release!
Amazing sequel to part one! I wish I could subscribe again, but I'm already subscribed.
Funny thing is, that if the footage was both in focus, most clients would otherwise not recognize any quality difference (after some color corrections) between the two (after some color correction of the old Sony green tint). For some time I have been noticing, that in the new AV gear in the past decade, we are more and more just paying for the user features, not "result" features.
Fuji has terrible autofocus, even compaired to a 10 year old apsc cam. If you would compaire it to lets say a A7C2 it would completely destroy it, No comparison.
Just checked and it costs a stagering 2700 euros and thats the autofocus you get.
Very good video, just subt. Keep it coming.
When compared to the canon r7 and the sony 6700, the xh2s is the worst in autofocus. Arguably they have the best colours but colours can be fixed in post. Good luck fixing out of focus photos and videos lol
What I learned is that the colours on Fuji are amazing. I already knew the autofocus was trash 😅
I have an XT-5 and never had any autofocus issues
I'm keep repeating this over and over: Fuji has best color science in industry and worst AF-C. Sony has worst color science in industry but best AF-C 😁
Yeah in this comparison as it's compared to old Sony model where colors are horrendous. Now I compared X-S20 to my Canon R8 and I like colors in Canon better, especially in video. Panasonic and Nikon also have beautiful colors and I don't understand this hype. I believed it until I tested modern Canon R8 and Nikon Zf and Fuji is not better. Maybe just gimmick film recipes from FujixWeekly but I only like couple from there and they get boring fast.
@@stuarthepburn6508must be a unicorn version. Do you shoot af-c?
Current Sony cameras (like the A7C II/R or the A7RV) have a very good color science. Even my 5 years old A6400 has decent colors. But everything older than that was rubbish. If he would have used the A6400 for the comparison (or any more modern Sony), you would not see big differences to current Fuji colors. And I can tell you: The colors coming out of my A7C are so much better than then colors from both of my Fuji cameras.
fuji taught me how to film by just manual focus and it helped me. if their af wasnt terrible i wouldnt even use manual focus at all. they need to step up rather than introducing some new cam and shi
This Fuji humiliation is glorious lol
Also just tried this with my 33 and XH2. From my testing, if I move forward/backwards too fast the camera just kinda gives up trying to keep focus. Slowing down going forward and backwards does a way better job of keeping it in focus. Not trying to say "it's a user problem", but finding out why something doesn't do as well as other can help get to the bottom of the issues these bodies have.
Making the focus very slow so that it doesnt hunt its not a solution. That's not tracking, its single focus style AF. Settings were the fastest on both of them.
'eyy! You got a shout out on Camera Conspiracies and I dig your content. Especially this. I love the mean reviews on these things. I am definitely following
haha thanks
Congrats on your channel taking off!
They have colossally f*cked up! All my fuji LM lenses are latest and they all step just like your demo. You can’t use Multi AF at all! I’m really hoping that they are actively working on a fix!
That 6.0 firmware should have stay in beta ( or at least give the choice to downgrade), seems that tracking works only with contrast detect and has many bugs. For the moment people looking for a reliable AF should only use Zone phase.
Subbed on the recommendation from Camera Conspiracies. Good stuff.
Thanks, where do I find the recommendation
Oh, I found it haha
There's not many camera channels that I really like but I love camera conspiracies. I like the way you make your vids. You aren't a paid advertisement. Just tell it like it is with some dry humor
this is very similar to my experience with the X100F, which I sold. also very similar to my X-T3 when using it with the 56mm f1.2 lens. that lens is great when it works. the problem is that it hunts more than the other lenses I used. The 18mm f1.4 lens is better though. Def. lots of headaches and anxiety when it comes to using the cameras, for sure.
The new reviews claim that the X100VI has excellent AF... Kinda hoping that you would do a real-world review, esp when it comes to the AF on that camera. There are many things I like about the Fujifilm cameras, but the AF is kinda fundamental when it comes to usability. Sadly, the YT reviews are NOT reliable, and sometimes knowingly dishonest when it comes to fair assessment of a new gadget/camera.
When you said "Her face is Toneh" - my god that was funny 😂. Toneh made it to the world
Toneh is the new standard. I watch Kasey since 2017 or so. haha
That's a social feature of fujifilm, to let us see more of the environment you're filming. "Oh, look at this tree!" Is fujifilms thinking. Also trees are more interesting than people. They actually catch carbon from the atmosphere to produce oxygen that your model breaths. Tree-AF is always on and rewrites your manual inputs. ( Which you could only set, because you breath oxygen). Thanks Fuji
I had used a bunch of Fuji camera bodies and lenses but not the modern, recent model like XH2S, really disappointed to see its AF performance is still not improving. It is likely the Fujis have cons with minimum focus distance and their AF
Coincidentally I found a sony a6000 in a charity shop for 20 pound with a broken lens. once i replaced it i did the comparison with my x-t30 and the results were hilarious. A part from the fact that while it took me years to fine tune my fuji the sony was already up for the task. The sony has better grip, awful battery (but maybe it needs a fresh one) and worse screen but if i had to choose which one to give to a friend who starts from zero I'll give him the Sony without a doubt. Btw I'm mainly focused on photos but the results are the same. Also, the sony is so tiny, less focused on film simulations and more on giving results and after all is not that ugly. The only thing is i use my camera mostly in manual or single shot for the most so to me the colours of fuji in jpeg matter more. But finally, at least i now that if i will upgrade I'll just go for the xt3, because there is no actual improvement with the recent cameras lol. Well done!
With open gate and 14 stops of dynamic range, the X-h2s makes the entire Sony mirrorless line up look like toys. Need yo take a real photography class if lightning fast auto-focus is the hill you stand on.
You're talking about different things just to try defending fuji trash af.
Very comprehensive test, can't argue with the facts... I am so glad I switched from Fuji to Sony last year, X-S20 to ZV-E1, it's not even close, dynamic range, 4k120, low light performance, noise levels and of course autofocus, all way way way better.
I find it incredibly funny that in the year 2024 there is an APS-C sensor Fuji camera for the price of a Sony A7 IV (at least comparing the prices in my country) which isn't even comparable to it. It's sad, really, for all the people that bought the camera on the premise that the autofocus is improved and comparable to Sony's (which seeing from your videos it clearly isn't). Makes me even happier that I got an a6700 instead of anything else.
The key for getting Fuji flagship is to buy it cheap. Either buy last generation or get it with heavily cut when they want to discontinue. The firmware is pretty much sorted out and you're not a beta tester for them
They aren't worth it buying latest. Also don't buy non flagship if you hope for firmware improvement, the firmware update is non existent
I was going to buy the X-T5 but after seeing all the issues decided on the a6700, especially as i want to shoot birds so need good AF.
I made a AF test with the xh2s too....the result was similar. If the subject or the camera is moving it loses the the focus all the time. Tracking with the xh2s? No. Imagine to shoot a wedding and you have to rely to the tracking af...
I shot multiple weddings with my xh2 and it wasn’t a pleasant experience. For a year I’ve been waiting for a fw update that would finally fix it but I give up. Too many missed moments - walking down the aisle, candid moments in burst where the best shots are not in focus - my first time with my xh2, i actually missed the first kiss. I since learned to shoot in AF-S but I wanted to move on from the 80s. 1 shoot with the r6 and I’m back to canon
"Faster at hunting" 😂 just accept defeat and use the joystick 🕹
It is definitely fast at tracking… The green box hit rate is close to 100% but the green box isn’t actually a focus point indicator, it just says that it is focused somewhere that is not the green box
@@destinybond lol yeah that false hope, may look fine on the LCD, look at it on a computer monitor and shake your fists at the Kaizen overlords XD.
Similar experience with samsung phones and how they process their images, looks okay on screen but then view your photos on PC and the regrets come quick lol.
this is really timely! it's just not usable Autofocus. my xs20 using new lens 16-50 and also 18-55, it loses its focus everytime. however, my zve1 with kit lens won't have any issue. i enjoy your video and laugh so hard. sub!
I tried the xt5 and the AF was really bad. It was always spotty and was never reliable to lock on faces for photos either.
you're doing god's work
Keep up these legit REAL WORLD REVIEW my man!
Got u self a new sub 👍
What i want to know is, Is this always how it was? or is this because of the latest bad FW on the XH2s
I remember when the XPRO1 came out (2011/2012). My friend was excited about it, bought one, and pooh poohed my new Olympus EM5. It then turned out that Fuji focusing was awful compared to the Oly. Because I love their low-light rendering and because I hate switching lenses I currently have 3 XPro1s, an XE2s, and recently bought and XH2s and love the images but I still don't expect them to be able to compete with other brands I own. They're for static shots only.