New In-Game Currency ARX : How it works | Elite Dangerous
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- The new currency called ARX will change the way we acquire paint jobs, ship kits, and all.
You can either buy packs of ARX “bucks” or earn them through game play.
We interview Community Manager Will Flanagan for detailed answers about this new feature.
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Hopes: massive decrease in cosmetic costs and not too much effort to earn ARX.
Expectations: ehhhhhhhhhhhhh
But a way to earn cosmetics through in-game activities is extremely welcome either way
I hope fuel ratting would be included in those "in-game activities".
Not that I do it - they have this whole weird system where you have to be trained and "announce jumps" because apparently it's impossible to refuel somebody if you're not an underling to some power-crazed people on IRC or wherever they are. I think some of them take it a bit too seriously.
Don't worry. It will be such a terrible grind that you will be encouraged to pay... just like every other full priced game that comes with cash shops...
@@C.I... I'd say they do the things they do the way they do simply to keep it standardized across all rats. Otherwise, it'd just be a mess if each one spoke their own way. You can refuel someone without saying a word if you'd want, but for the experience for the client to be consistent, everyone must be on the same page. Thus the training.
As long as the cost in real money doesn't go up I have no problem with this.
Oh yay, we're going to end up with the same deal you get with bioware points. Where everything will cost a bit under or a bit over the Arx points in a certain pack. So you'll be converting more money into credit which you'll never be able to exchange into the exact amount you need for a product.
As a person who's bought a lot of paintjobs and ship kits from the store, probably far more then I should've. I'm happy there's now a way to earn customisations in game and I understand how the Arx system will help cover the loss in sales from players who'd rather grind out the points. But I'm not impressed with the loss of exact fund transfers, which I assume will be occurring when this is implemented. As well as the addition of the purchasing option to the main menu, seems a bit too pushy and another 'buy our stuff' advertisement. Which we already get in the launcher.
This is just my opinion, would be awesome to hear what others think.
Those were exactly my thoughts.
One thing though, many (shitty) games nowadays seem to have been built from the ground up so it's either a big grind to earn something or you can pay. However since for a long time there was no way to grind for cosmetics in ED there was no incentive for FD to make the game grindier. So I suppose that part of the game is, at least for now it seems, free of that kind of micro-transaction-corruption.
Console players never had the option of exact fund transfers, which is one of the major points addressed in Frontier's statement.
I play on PS4 so maybe I can shed some light on the issue:
In order to purchase customizations, players must first pre-load an account with Frontier Points, which are available in only 4 denominations, starting at 300 points for USD $4.99, through 500 and 1000 to 2500 points at a cool $36.99.
I wish I could tell you as a frame of reference how many points a specific item costs but I've never purchased any points and can't be assed to dig for that information at this time, especially now that it'll stop mattering altogether in about 2 months. But you can rest assured that the problem you mentioned of everything costing a bit more or a bit less than the denominations you're able to purchase is in full swing here. Hot dogs come in packs of 10 - buns come in packs of 8. At least with Arx it's not your REAL MONEY sitting in limbo.
I feel like offering an alternative to paying irl money for in-game content is a smart move from a PR perspective, in light of recent controversies surrounding
Hopefully, the frontier store is going to stay around, with its current pricing as well. Don't get me wrong, i fully endorse them adding ways to earn cosmetics, but i afraid people will kill the game for themselves grinding out a paintjob that literally has the value of a coffee in a cheap cafe. The grind will determine if this is good or not. The value and earning speed of the currency, our "hourly wage" so to speak.
At least with the ability to earn Arx in-game if they do pull that "never quite the right amount" nonsense you can buy slightly less and earn the rest in-game.
Exactly. It will be exploitative. That's fdev now.
The cosmetics were paid with real money to begin with so making it possible for regular people to acquire can only be a good thing i mean the depth of piloting a ship is the love and guts of this game so being able to shape it to your own preferences makes for more details that you can relate to and further deepens the experience.
Can’t wait to grind these AYE ℞ things out
Galactic wanted another thing to grind
grind 20h for 1arx
1 Arx an hour
Remember though, you can't farm them forever since there is a limit each week.
Well that's one way to persuade players to play CQC......
The concept really doesn't seem that bad. Let's wait and see.
I just hope it won't spread out to weapons and ships making Elite kinda p2w....
The concept is nothing new and more often than not it's no good. Maybe it'll be different but I wouldn't bet on it.
If I had to guess, its so anyone needing a refund for any of these items gets back arx instead of money.
As a console neet for the foreseeable future, playing ED as if it were my job will actually pay off now. A good change for 9 year olds who dont have access to their parents credit cards but want fancy ship dashboards.
Everything will be overpriced, I gurantee it.
As the pirates say, "Arrrgggskskskskssssss"
Dems my ARrrgggkkss!
Well done Giraffe for giving us more info on ARX! As long as the in-game “costs” for said “purchases” are not too high, I think it can only be a good thing! I Haven’t played elite in about 7 months but something like this,the fleet carriers of course and the new auto update feature for the HCS voicepacks will definitely bring me back to the game! Thanks for the info update!
Glad to help! Thanks for the comment:)
I have another theory, I think this may be Frontier's over arching solution to how the different platforms and their store purchases are run. With a unified system this may make cross platform play feasible...and more importantly for some the merging of accounts on multiple platforms. He's an example; Part of the current issue with cross platform or merging accounts was profit sharing and ecosystems. If you bought ship kits and paint jobs on Console X then Console S could have an issue with you using said items on their ecosystem because they didn't receive any profit share from the transaction. Unify the transaction system and there is no longer a conflict of ecosystems.
Very interesting!
I’m excited about it! I like the idea of getting cosmetic items through gameplay, but I’m REALLY excited to be able to apply cosmetics without docking. I’m taking the slow way home from DW2, and is like to see my decal on the ship before December.
Awesome
I bought ship pack and some paint jobs for my corvette, got Celeste (oh god yes mommy talk to me more oh, mmmmph!!), a few engine and weapon details and that's it.
You won't see me buy paint jobs or ship kits for any other ship, MAYYYBE one day but i don't see that coming. Don't even get me started on bobbleheads, i only bought the christmas lights and snowflake cause they were on sale and was near Xmas. But now it feels hilarious to run in a deadly Corvette with christmas lights in the middle of summer.
P.S. I dropped the game a few months ago. Like wtf am i supposed to do there's nothing "new and exciting" to do. Can't force myself to waste my nights on mainly loading screens (hyperjumps).
After a long day at work it used to be fantastic to play a chill game like Elite, but that was when i was still a noob and always found out new stuff, every 3 minutes i went "oooh what's that, what's that oooh shiny! The Graphics!"
But now after 900 hours i have totally lost that enjoyment, it's all about time wasting, loading screens, grinding. and that's it.
Sad, the reason why i bought a new more powerful PC was Elite Dangerous alone, i wanted to play it so much and experience space, and that i did, and it was an absolutely fantastic experience.
I don't regret buying Elite or spending 900 hours in it, i only regret not finding a reason to play for another 900 hours.
I'll be back one day, space is calling to me even now, i can hear it, but that day hasn't come yet. Until then, fly safe commanders!
Just to be clear, you're complaining about getting 900 hours of entertainment of out this game.
@@BigDaddyWes I would be a massive liar if i said i got 900 hours of entertainment. I was talking about the entertainment i got when i first started playing. I more or less lost interest after i got my Python (not even close to 300hrs i think) but i wanted an engineered corvette. I got that, then the rest, till 900+ is a complete mist, i have no idea if i did anything meaningful, aside from buying some ships ill never use cause Vette, getting money wich i don't see a reason to use on yet, so im grinding money for ???, etc. So to clarify no, i only got roughly 300 hours of really good gameplay the other 600 i have no idea how to describe other than meaningless loading screens going place to place for no reason, shooting random stuff, landing on a planet for no reason, gather mats even though i don't need them. All meaningless things, just cause i was so desperate to play this game but to no avail, i felt empty.
@@Cancer6667 so you got 300 hours of fun out of a game. Thats still excellent lol
I like it. On one hand you have to buy "packs" which will be more than you need, to encourage more spending, but on the other hand they are opening a pathway for cosmetics for people who absolutely cannot pay real world money for them.
Hitting two birds with one stone.
As a poor person, I like it. I never really care about cosmetics, I don't generally buy microtransactions, however an occasional bobblehead or something will be cool. I don't care how long it takes, or if I never get anything because I don't play heaps.
I have a VR capable computer now, so I think my money is better off saving up for that and that VR will give me more enjoyment out of the game.
:)
Make sure you get a flightstick and throttle first
@@jasonjones3579 hotas?
@@unknownbandit6509 ye
I like the idea of being able to earn cosmetics in game. And the option to switch things up at the main menu is nice.
That's where the good ends, however.
The way to "create parity across platforms" isn't to make the experience equally terrible for everyone, but rather to bring the lagging implementations up to the higher standards of the best.
I'm not interested in "points packs", or "arx", or whatever you want to call your scrip system. Because that's what it is. Scrip.
In the best possible implementation where I can purchase the precise amount I need, it adds another layer of complexity and inconvenience to the purchase. As it is usually implemented - and is planned here - it comes in odd sized blocks that will not match up with anything, so you will always have more or less than needed, forcing money to be 'left on the table'.
I understand that from a business perspective, that's precisely the point, because it tends to encourage people to spend more so they don't feel they're wasting the money they've already sunk into it - but from the consumer side, this is hostile.
So while there is some good coming with this change, the scrip system just about ruins the whole thing.
I think a good way to implement it would be allow you to purchase the exact amount required, through a slider option (or something to that effect) and this way you wouldn't have to worry about having money "left on the table"
Arkuos exactly. Some games have done it before to great effect and even praise from their community
@@arkuos8361 Well you could play the game to earn the remaining points.
Or (more likely in my case), just buy things with earned points and never spend real money on cosmetics again.
I don't see how Frontier comes out ahead on that one, though.
@@Flyingbrickyard They don't end up behind either. You were spending $0. Now you're spending $0. Net difference: $0.
Im suprised no one else covered thus? Great job with those fast journalistic skills
Thanks! Yeah we thought this had more to it than Fleet Carriers which only benefit people in squads. Plus it is coming sooner.
So, you wont get them from mission rewards. That means two options to me: The good option, you earn them from gaining XP towards ranks, points towards faction relations, minor and major, jumping X number of times, scanning planets, basically performing various positive actions in the game. Or the easy option, you earn 10 ARX every 5 hours of game time, press buy to speed that up.
I haven't seen any update to Elite Dangerous that suggests they wont take the easy option. I mean they apparently coded a game where HUD colors is a core component of the game engine and must not be touched lest the game cease functioning on every platform.
Always get a giggle from your vids. Keep em coming. Not the most exciting reveal but will see how it pans out. I have never paid for any in game purchases, and never will, so maybe I could earn enough ARX to pimp my ship for the firs time.
Thanks for watching! Yeah there’s some bobbles I’ve always wanted but not enough to spend cash.
Honestly, I laughed way too much over Wills hats and the way you just cut him off mid explanation. Genius...
There is a Disclaimer right under the screenshots in the post saying that Arx costs in the screenshots are NOT final.
I don't mind this Arx thing at all as long as I can purchase the exact amount I need for what I want and it's not packages that exactly don't fit the costs. I also really hope things won't be more expensive after the change...
One really cool thing about the change is, that we can purchase single paintjobs out of packs.
Okay, I really like your humor! Perfect! :D
Thanks! Hope you’ll enjoy more of our videos:)
as long as the real monney cost doesnt go up and you earn a reasonable amount of it I think this is a great addision to the game. i wise more companys are like this where there is no pay to win mechanic but only cosmatic stuff.
I feel the same way :)
I feel like Arx is a neat thing for console players, but I'll be damned if I'm going to go from buying stuff on the frontier store via paypal to having to purchase $30 worth of Arx in-game to buy $23 worth of cosmetics only to have the extra $7 just floating around in the aether.
It is my honest opinion that attempting to monetize elite in this fashion will 100% kill the cosmetic market of the game, as it's only a matter of time before the cosmetics that cost $5 or less previously start to cost $10 or more due to Arx bundles only coming in $10 bundles or whatever, and the discerning adult hobbyist players (who are the majority of players who buy this kind of stuff in the first place as far as I know) see it for the cash grab it is and either stop buying cosmetics or move on to something different entirely.
Microtransactions of this type have absolutely no place in Elite imo, so I'm really hoping the cash store stays in place, while the Arx system simply provides an alternative way to earn cosmetics for those who don't want to spend money.
Maybe they felt the cosmetic side of things was languishing and this is their attempt to liven up trade and give Frontier incentive to come out with more Livery items. I always hear people asking for more paint jobs. I often wonder if Frontier looks at their stats and say "well our devs put hours into building these and we sold 4... Is our time well spent here?"
As someone who plays most of my time in solo, I don't have a huge draw for fancy paint jobs. Bought a couple a few years ago but that is about it. Never had a desire for bobbleheads, but getting a dashboard ornament or a decal for things like good ranking in community goals would be cool. Earning the Arx naturally through game play would encourage a couple more "options", but I doubt I will be dropping real cash on them.
Wonder, but kinda doubt, if we'll be able to use a combination of cash & ARX. The cosmetics are reasonably priced to begin with, but if I can gain a bit of ARX & then use it as a discount on items, I might spend money in the store a bit more often.
Thing is that you have to buy into ARX so there may be ARX left over depending how much you get. Since the console folks already use a system like this I wonder what the system is like for them.
@@GhostGiraffe It's pretty simple. You buy frontier points in packages. Eg $5 $7, ect. You get a set amount of points per package depending on the price. If you don't spend those points, they stick around forever, so you could save leftovers from the packs you buy to get more shiz.
Well, a paint pack of six paintjobs currently sells for $4USD in Frontier Store. So if one paintjob is 620 ARX then 1000 ARX is around $2.42USD
I wonder how exploration data will work here. Maybe a certain amount of ARX per system scaling with the value of the data. Also I wonder if missions will have an option to drop the reputation and credits rewards for pure ARX.
He said specifically it wont be in mission rewards
As an Xbox player, I already use Frontier Points for livery items - barring any price adjustments - the only difference is I'll be spending Arx instead of FP, and now I'll have a way of getting livery items without paying USD (directly)
Club sandwiches? How do you know that's not a triple turkey wrap??
You’re right we just don’t know yet!
I don't mind paying money for their cosmetic items as they've always been fair in pricing. Since this is a game that gets continuous updates and features and I've put more hours in this game than any other, I like contributing. But having the option to earn them as well is exciting. It's nice to earn something through work you've done. I'll still throw some real coin their way here and there just because I thoroughly enjoy the game and want to make sure the devs get fed so they can continue to work on the game!
I think the roll-out of arx should include a one-time distribution of arx based on total accumulated play time; and maybe base ongoing arx bucks on play time, at least. There could be a complex calculation involved, factoring in many factors (i.e. number of jumps, distance covered, etc.). That would provide another direct means of influencing players in a direction Frontier determines/changes from time to time. If they want to encourage exploration, for example, they could increase the value of, say, distance traveled, in the arx bucks equation. It's a tough line to draw between too much and not enough value being assigned to the arx buck. Of course, Frontier Bank could always devalue the arx...hehehe In the end, some people just care more about the cosmetic stuff than others.
I think it's cool to freshen up the looks of ships that get used a lot and enrich the environment, rewarding gameplay
It’s a good day when ghost giraffe uploads
Thanks pal. Always a good day to read a comment from you!
This will end up more expensive for those on PC who would just buy for real cash from the store, I guarantee it. They’ve levelled the playing field by lowering everyone to the consoles.
Finally! I’ll be able to get Leo for my thargoid hunting ships!
How Do you pronounce Arx?
Answer: more and more grind
Well you grind-ed before. You will still be grind-ing. Now you just get free stuff for doing the stuff you always did.
I think it's going to be a nice addition. The prices on cosmetics have always been fair, I felt, but I never wanted most of the cosmetics enough to actually pay a few bucks for them. After over 80 hours of gameplay I finally bought a paint pack. I think this is gonna be more of an incentive to just play the game, as you can save up to buy the cosmetic you have been wanting but haven't been wanting to spend the money on, and you won't have to spend real money to get it
Arx are frontiers way of giving us access to cosmetics through in game means like it should have been all along, wonderful.
I love how there is literally no downside to this, it literally just gives people a way to earn store cosmetics in game, no changes, nothing being taken out, the payroll is lowering, yet people are still complaining.
Thankfully it’s more positive than negative
im sad i didnt get to hear more about the fleet carriers
Honestly that teaser trailer is all the info they gave. But Obsidian Ant might have more info on that.
I feel like we're not gonna get any info on them until they're dropped into beta.
They need fresh paint jobs, decals, and junk for my space dashboard! MOAR OPTIONS!!!
True! Love it if they could let CMDRs customize their own
I have a feeling it will be tied into the community goals replacement
ED is not interesting enough to warrant buying anymore cosmetics. Give us atmospheric landings, base building, new aliens, space legs with potential action on par with any first person shooter if the situation warrants it, detailed views of insides of ships, new land vehicles, underwater environments, etc. Give us that first then maybe we’ll buy cosmetics on mass.
Make the Horton orbital mug a dash ornament
If you can earn them in game and it's just cosmetic stuff then I approve.
When I first heard this I was a bit annoyed/confused but this makes more sense than the current system.
Sold in packs? So will it be one those stores where it's impossible to buy just the amount you need, forcing you to either buy more than you intended to balance it out, or just leave the left-over ARX wasted? Although I suppose in Elite's case you can balance it by just earning ARX in-game. Buuut then again if it's slow you might want to just buy ARX anyway...
But whatever, this is probably good for Frontier and it's not *too* bad for us players. If this helps Elite's development in the future then cool!
probably a stepping stone to selling ingame items (ships,modules,blueprints,materials),the last thing they can monetize out of this game,since you cant port it to switch
These Videos Got me back into elite Thank you so much For the help and fun :D
So happy to hear that! Thanks for the comment :)
LOL... Love the Will cosmetics :)
I think it is completely wrong that they don't already have a value. If the system is already there but different for a console. But will then be changing it to ARX. Then the only reason they don't have a number available is because they are looking into ways to increase their profit potential. ARX will cost X dollars/pounds/etc for X ARX. The cosmetics all already have a price point. Fair pricing you can work out roughly what an item will cost versus an estimated dollar per arx for the sums you can see in your clip. Everyone will get prices for ARX packs. The ARX packs will probably be slightly more, or slightly less than the amount you actually need to buy an item. Like buying 450 ARX for a 350 cost item, or needing 500 for another. This allows them to get players to buy more than they need while justifying the price. (Not the first game to do this and probably won't be the last.)
All of you bitching about it need to understand it's literally nothing but an upgrade of the previous system. Even IF the grind in game to get them is hard it's better than nothing. You now have the ability to get paint jobs and kits without spending real world money. Frontier is actively accommodating your poor asses.
XD
Damn the new livery system reminds me of the marketplace in Star Wars the old republic... where everything was always just outta reach, encouraging you to buy the remainder. Hope it doesn’t end up like that here
I remember that. Fucking disgusting.
@@RandomNameLastName811 I don't think (hope) it's that bad. Makes me worry they're not as financially set as they'd like to be and this is some short term boost. Or weather they're hoping this'll repay all the money LEP will cost them in the long run. I don't know. I also kinda hope it's their way of saying, we're setting up shop and not dropping this game in the year or two.
As a console player, these are just rebranded Frontier Points with a far better UI and the ability to earn some in-game. PS4 and Xbox players will see nothing but good here unless prices go up. The PC cash shop prices were in line with console cosmetic pricing. I think the biggest change will be Fdev having a cleaner store interface and Sony/MS not getting a cut of the cosmetics income.
Does that mean I can get retroactively compensated for the hundreds of hours I've already played?
No. Any other silly questions?
I wish!
Try "thousands" and then we can talk :-P
I wouldn't have spent real world money on anything had I known this feature was coming.
RUclips, not even two days after the ARX update:
*"HOW TO MAKE 100,000 ARX PER HOUR WITH AN ADDER, A MINING LASER, AND A WET FART"*
Three days later, everyone now owns all paint jobs in the game and Frontier no longer makes any money through the store purchases.
A month after, Elite servers get shut down. Lmfao
There will be a weekly cap
Ah yes, “we want people to play and not be afk to get Arx”
Me literally waiting 4 hours straight in our faction carrier for our next trade-run departure and getting like 400 Arx
Oh. So a pack of paintjobs is currently £3 which is (according to that screenshot) 650 arx, but a single engine colour in the store is £1 but 2380 arx? I hope that isn't final numbers. I don't get why we need another layer of guff.
Oh and I bet the packs will be:
£4.99
£14.99
£24.99
£49.99
£99.99.
I really hope it's not the classic 4.99 for 500. 14.99 for 2000 (1500 + bonus 500) and so on.
It looked like the ship skin was on special.
@@markhackett2302 looking at it closer makes me think so to, now. 3250 for a single skin, over 8000 for a covas? I just hope £5 gets you over 10,000arx other wise things are getting more expensive. If 2650 arc is the cost of a engine trail, and they sell for £1 in the store, that can give you a rough idea of what the packs should be worth.
It will probably come out to something like the prices currently, the only thing to fiddle would be the exchange rate for the arx in the gameplay. It could be that mission completion gives you an option to get Arx instead of Rep/Inf++++ or materials. It will likely be that doing CGs and IIs will make for more. Probably quite a lot more. But you will likely not get stuff for non-mission work or time played or gaining ranks. Making them a mission reward seems to be the best way to make normal everyday gameplay work.
HOWEVER, the downside to that is that the T9 is kinda sucky for this, since its large cargo hold cannot be usefully used for trading missions, since they top out at about 230ish and you'll not find more than one going to the same location very often. So your arx earning is decidedly lower in the T9, and its potentiality wasted. If they make the wing mission trading smaller so that you could do it in just a handful of runs solo in a T9 then they could be better done. As it is, even if you wing up with all T9s, you can't do an average wing bulk order of 5000-7000 units in less than three runs. Cut it down to 600-1200 and you can wing up with one other large trader, or all go in Pythons and get it done in one go, two tops.
@@markhackett2302 I remember doing a wing trade solo, I think it was about 3600 tons. With ~500 ton cargo it only took 40 minutes or so, payout was crap, I think close to 6mil but I had to try it. If that gives, say 10 arx then... eh I'm not sure it's worth it. But like you said, I can see CC's and II's being very ARX heavy to keep the players interested. "oh, not happy with the Adv. Multi's? hmm well here, have a currency that gets you pain jobs."
I say it is pronounced "arse"
I like the idea, even for commanders who can't afford a paint job, now there is a way to get some, well done imo
Interesting. Sounds good.
About the only thing I didn't get was, how do you turn off the buttons?
Legend says he’s still trying...
This will end up to be the exact situation as in Anthem, where for earning some cosmetics through gameplay, we will have to grind for weeks...
why arent they a mission reward? it sounds like they want this to be similar to a free to play currency so each mission could give you only 10-25 ARX. or you could still choose the credit reward or materials or cargo. just put ARX in the mission rewards pool, but at a fairly low amount. I'd grind for a pimped out sidewinder.
Now with the prices of ARX out. How many in game hours does it take to earn enough for a ship paint job?
I think it's nice to finally be able to use gameplay to get something to make the game feel more rewarding. but as several have said, I do worry that instead of nice consistent prices we'll see these arx things turn into a money pit where you can never spend em all. Who knows!? I just hope they at least force frontier incentive to put out cool skins and such rather than the same paint jobs copy pasted across each ship.
You answer every comment? Awesome
Is it?
Burning question: will prices for everything change?
That's a given.
The point of such systems is to make the costs even more abstract, so that you don't realize exactly how much cash you're giving up.
Then couple that with prices which are designed to mismatch any combination of quantities in which the scrip can be purchased, and you've got a very effective way to squeeze even more money out of a customer.
The end result is that the customer doesn't really know how much anything costs in real world money, and never has the right amount of scrip for a purchase (either not enough, in which case they purchase another oversized block, or they have too much, in which case they feel compelled to buy something else, so they don't 'waste the points' - which often results in needing to overbuy points again and the cycle continues).
The entire point is to hide the actual price, then exploit the customer's perception of sunk costs to keep them paying.
I welcome the idea. I imagine the amount you earn is going to be pitiful to try and persuade you spend real world dorrah on these things but, it'll be nice to just earn as you play. What would be extra nice is if they give a little something something to those of us with a few hours already invested into the game but i'm not holding my breath.
Sounds good, wonder if there will be any retro-rewarding. i.e. getting arx for fed ranks you already have.
I slightly smell the stench of a free2play future
They were asked that directly at Lavecon and it was a flat no
@@GhostGiraffe Somehow I'm not convinced. They'd be stupid to stay on this rather lukewarm update cycle and _not_ go f2p, which would allow to get more funding for further development. But then again ... we're talking about fdev here... *sigh* ok >.
They promised to start a "NEW ERA", so this is it !
1) They added "in-game currency" for cosmetics => Good: this will make the "decor" more accessible and will make players play more in "OPEN", for "show-off".
2) They've added ships and reputation => Bad: everyone got a "Top ships" in no time and:
a) "End content" is achieved - you can no longer play.
b) Those who remain in game, will scatter on "SOLO" and "PRIVATE".
In both cases, the sale of further content will not be so profitable for "Frontier".
But the sale of ships - this is a minor problem, you CAN play with it.
Much worse will be, if they say, that a "data retention" on servers, with player's "Estate" (planetary bases, mine silos and property of the Guilds (fleet carriers and mega-ships)) will cost ... "real money" for limited time period (like Star Citizen did). And this, is the "Pay to win".
I have a bad feeling about this. This won't end well.
It doesnt sound bad. I just wondering if we all starts from "scratch" so to speak, as in all the players will need to play, when it comes out, to get it. Or that the older vet players get some at the start, and the newer ones doesnt get so many. I mean I know I have some 100 playing hours on Elite, if not more, so I wonder if I get like a handfull of ARX when it comes out, or if I need to play the game from that time on
You'll keep what you already have on the platform you have it on. AT MOST you'd be earning the credits for, say, the PS4 account rather than pay for it, but if you bought the PC cosmetic, you will keep the PC cosmetic.
@@markhackett2302 I think you misunderstood me. I meant, if I get x amount of ARX, when it releases, from the time I had played *before* it was released, or that I had to play the game as I do now and slowly earn it bit by bit after it had been released
@@Danspy501st Oh, after they bring it out. Which would be why they wouldn't make it earned on ranking up. The thing is you'll keep whatever cosmetics you already have and if you have none, why would they owe you free arx to buy cosmetics?
@@markhackett2302 I dont know, it is just a thought that came to my mind meanwhile watching it
I would not expect the earning rate to be worth a damn. You'll probably be able to afford a single paintjob for a single ship after 300 hours of grinding. More expensive items? You may be able to unlock ONE after playing for the next 3-4 years. Honestly, it sounds cosmetic sales trends have dropped off, as people are becoming more aware of the greedy and predatory nature of MTX. So after nickel-and-diming players for four years now, FDev is FINALLY making things earnable in-game, as a 'reward' for endless grinding with very little new content added.
This is a gimmick to get people to keep putting in time to prop up their player time/numbers. They figure they've exhausted the whales, who have already bought everything, so there won't be anything for them to spend ARX on - but newer or infrequent players, who haven't been tapped yet, may earn some ARX and want something, and only have to buy a smaller pack of points (ARX) to unlock it. It's to trick people, like FO76, where you earn 'Atoms' very sparingly, so you want to spend them, but have to buy point packs to supplement the outrageous cost of items. And once you start buying some, you're more likely to buy more, and that's what they hope for. Throw money at them for cosmetic bullshit, when fucking color swaps should be free in game. *IF* we actually got substantial content added on a regular basis, like MTX were funding new content, there would be an argument for them. But how many 'new' weapons have been added, that use THE EXACT SAME UNALTERED MODELS? It's not new if it's just a text stat change.
I was stupid and did buy a few cosmetic items before. And then I was like "Why the fuck am I buying into this MTX shit and supporting this 'nickel-and-dime' practice?". Though I would actually buy paintjob packs... if it would unlock that pack for EVERY ship. NOT JUST ONE SINGLE SHIP. Who is going to pay money for items that ONLY work for a Sidewinder? You use a Sidewinder for about 10 minutes before you get something better lol. Seriously though, you use it for your first day playing and then never go back to it. Unless you're a "hardcore" player that wants the "challenge" of doing something in a Sidewinder.
It will be like every other publisher where say something cost 6 "whatever's". But you can only buy "whatever's" in packs of 10 leaving 4 "whatever's" that cost you real life money sitting in their coffers. Until you grind for months to pick up 2 more "whatever's" or stop playing and you have then given them free money? It is a money gruby idea that should be outlawed just like loot box's are finally becoming. Dick move Frontier, but at this stage I expect nothing less!
I think Steve Martin first discovered this with hot dogs and hot dog buns
I'm okay with this but I have to admit that it's making me a little uneasy. So far Frontier has been very straightforward. You want "this" & it costs this much. It's simple. It's straightforward and I have a means to get what I want. Introducing this new currency "sounds" nice but it also feels like it's going to blur that line.
The console has had pretty much exactly this system the entire time I've played. I've had to go to the store, buy a pack of coins for about $10USD, then spend 800coins for a ship paint.
@@ltpunkrocket522 Yeah that's exactly what I'm worried about. Does ARX now replace the ability to purchase the things I want directly or are we now going to be forced to buy "packs" of ARX? Cos that is a money grabbing scheme that results in you always having just a few too many "coins" or not enough, which is a psychological trick to get you to spend more. If I can still purchase the cosmetics I want directly then I don't care but if ARX replaces that ability then this really is the top of a very slippery slope. At the bottom of which is loot boxes where you buy a few dozen of them hoping to unlock the paint job or cosmetic that you want.
Maybe now on console we won't have to open Microsoft fucking Edge to get to the Frontier Store, now it'll be in-game.
FDev: "You will be able to earn Arx in-game"
Also FDev: "We're not going to give Arx for mission rewards"
So you wont realistically be able to unlock anything in a timely manner?
Yo i have a question, im new to the game and i want an anaconda very bad and at the shop there are anaconda skins they cost like 1820 arx or about that or something, but if i buy it will i also get the anaconda ship it self too or just the skin
Just the skin
I have used the frontier points on Xbox before moving to the PC with a flight stick and a girlfriend that I bought the game for and she steals my flight stick for! Ahhhh!!! But the prices were ok. If I remember right, I bought 2000 FP and it was like 20 bucks. I had enough to buy a light string, two weapon colors, one engine color(all I wanted), and then I think I still had 1000 left. But I don’t mind the prices they have. Like two dollars here and there for stuff I want isn’t bad.
Nice thanks for the info
I struggle with the idea of paying extra irl currency for in game stuff, even with games I love such as elite.
Depending on how much you can get, this could really help, or till be something else to disappoint me.
That's always been a thing in this game. The difference is now you can get those things WITHOUT HAVING to pay real money.
Nice Remembers me somehow to Eve Online. That I play now since 13 years
I want to know if people who have invested weeks into the game get rewarded or if it just a clean slate
DAMN DUDE IVE ALWAYS WANTED TO GO TO THE VEIL WEST NEBULA.
Its beautiful.
It’s super worth the trip and not too far
@@GhostGiraffe yeah i probs will
Finally, that is GREAT as lobg as it is used for cosmetics
Btw look at platinums on warframe they are good example of this (but they are a bit more usefull)
earning arx in-game: grind in res site for four hours,
get about 10 arx
Hi Ghosty its LIVERY not LIVERY live not live "I live in UK" not "I am streaming live from the USA or Canada"
XD thanks bud!
So if everything is under the same arx points systems does this mean my multiple accounts can share content?
I need to know does the arx give the bonus on top or does it say bonus but the total is what’s on screen
For me it looked like ships you could buy rather then paint jobs why have different ships and names for a paint job
Since it's coming near September, are we gonna free the new currency from area 51?
Are these retroactive? Cause i have 8 W 7D and a couple of hours ingame. How many Arx's would I net? It seems a bit disingenuous to think they will simply allow us to buy cosmetics through ingame time, but I sure hope to be wrong. I Would like them, to reward players who have a lot of time ingame with a couple of that cosmetic stuff, 500h... 1000h... it would be really great from their part.
Not buying it. They had a system to buy cosmetics. My guess is that activity may have been dropping the lure rewarded currency is a carrot to entice players, but since they are giving it away (even if the play earnings are low)the cost is going to go through the roof. I saw someone else say it, this also allows them to refund Arx not real cash. So win-win for Frontier. lose-lose, but feels like a win (playtime earnings) for players
Haha, I love your videos! 😄
My guess is, Arx are going to be expensive as fuck and you probably get only 100 Arx or sth within a session. However being able to earn cosmetics by playing sounds like a good thing nonetheless :)
i used to buy paintjobs and stuff, now i dont care about them since i dont see then when im playing. i forgot i have them on my ships.
Well, I will keep buying stuff the old way. Buying bundles of these kind of currency always end up in a loss for the buyer. There will be always those 20, 40, 60 arx lefting that you'll be never able to spend.
Thankfully we can have a chance to even out with passive gameplay
So we've got a premium currency we can buy or get drip-fed through gameplay and use for cosmetics. Okay. In and of itself that's fine. I can't help but bring up one worrying point in the form of a question: What usually follows premium currencies in a game?
Answer: Loot boxes.
I'm going to be watching ED through narrowed eyes from now on...not that loot boxes are their fault, but some things just follow so naturally so often that I can't help but skeptical.
Free to play and loot boxes are likely next
@@jasonthacker2912 I really, REALLY hope they're not.
So they’re getting rid of Frontier points. About time.
Can’t wait to grind for that fighter paint pack to match my corvette.
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On one hand, I'm glad this isn't a pay to win mechanic. On the other hand, I sure wish these engineers would learn to take a bribe. Looking at you, Marsha Hicks...Sourcing 10 Osmium to Tir just to have another pinned blueprint...It's like living in Canada and your friend from Mexico wants you to bring them a bottle of maple syrup in person, and in return they'll clear your internet history for you whenever you* ask.
lol