This is possibly the most well written 45 minutes of TV, ever. 90% of this episode is two people talking, in the same room. To be able to carry a conversation between two characters, and at the same time push the story forward and keep the viewer's interest in such a simple scenario is pretty fuckin impressive. There's maybe 5 or 6 other characters in this whole episode. A few guards, another prisoner or two, and a hallucination of Delenn. JMS is fucking Brilliant.
Yeah "Bottle episodes" like this usually always end up being really good, because it's all about the drama, the acting, the interplay between the two actors, building off each other in a confined moment of acting. DS 9 had a fantastic episode in...I think season 1, titled Duet. With Kira and a Cardassian prisoner she was interrogating for war crimes. It's a FANTASTIC episode. If you've never seen it, you should check it out.
Deep Space Nine showed the side of the federation where under duress and far from home, there were cracks in even the sterling example of the federation. I liked it for that. In Babylon 5, the characters had more weaknesses and thus more depth. More specifically, "But can you win?" "Every time I say NO" perfectly embodies the core of what civil disobedience for a cause is about.
"Every time I say, 'no!'" Without doubt among The Best Moments of _Babylon 5_, and why J. Michael Straczynski deserves all the kudos he gets for his work on it.
i keep wanting him to also say to that interrogator, when all of this comes crashing down around your head...i'll remember you and will come looking for you then
@@johnbanks4761watching through this episode I'd like to believe that John's conviction is what rattles the interrogator the most. He say through out that the reason he's there is because of the government and not of his own beliefs. The interrogator believes only that what he's doing is because he has to. The problem is though that John doesn't believe that, he doesn't believe in the governments "truth" and it's clear that as he continues to fight against it the interrogator is feeling more and more useless since they can't even fathom that belief.
B5 had some genuinely moving and powerful stuff, perhaps more so than any other sci-fi show I can think of. Sheridan's little rebuttal here is every bit as powerful now, perhaps even more. B5's message that "one person can make a difference" and "one person saying no can win" are ones that should be taken to heart. And yes, I thought of Tron the first time I saw this scene too!
One person can and sometimes does make a difference. But very few people stop to think about the price such individuals pay for their particular brand of courage.
@JamesSOCO2006 I totally agree that Babylon 5 is far superior than Trek. And I know that Paramount took much of the basis for DS9 from Babylon 5 (even though DS9 started earlier than B5, JMS pitched B5 to Paramount in the late 80s, but they declined saying they didn't want to run two different science fiction franchises). And even though, on occasion I laugh at how blatantly it rips off B5, I still loved the themes of religion, war, and politics applied to Trek. DS9 is by far the best Trek!
Well, actually the Brotherhood doesn't really " need me to sign " anything. Their idiotic and totally illogical " Party line " is that since 2014 their precious CIA Princess is being brainwashed by her " evil " FSB/GRU brothers Oleg Tsarev and Pavel Gubarev. HOW a brilliant analyst with 180 IQ can be brainwashed is not something that even Andryusha Bustamante is willing to discuss but it is what it is. Heil the Brotherhood!
Single greatest piece of television as far as I'm concerned. It sums up Babylon 5 in a nutshell. Making your choice, standing up for what you believe in, and accepting that no matter the consequences you do what you believe is best, and you deal with whatever comes as a result.
The only bad thing I can say about this episode is that you can only watch it for the first time once. As for all those people who have develop amnesia, all I can do is shake my head in sadness and mutter to myself. "Lucky bastards."
If I still had my old VHS tapes I would post it for you but sadly all of my tapes were stolen when my apartment was broken into. Who breaks into a place to steal someones VHS tapes? *shakes head*
Star Trek is often at it's best when humanity is depicted at its worst. You get to see very idealistic people having to balance their ideals with the reality of their situation.
@PhilosopherSocrates I was broken into a few years back. Some people actually kicked my front door in two. I came home while they were in the process of the robbery and they ran out the front door. While they were in the process of unhooking my television, game system, etc. the only things they ended up getting away with were two DVDs: All Quiet on the Western Front and Danny Kaye's The Court Jester. I always thought that must have been a disappointing robbery for them.
This means more to me now than ever. It's a shame JMS, whom I normally respect, came down with a case of Covid Derangement Syndrome along with the rest of his peers in Hollywood and the media, when he damn well shoulda known better.
It always baffles me how conservatives can look at an anti-nationalism, anti-fascist, piece of work that warns against anti science, anti truth, and is blatantly pro diversity, and fail to see it. It almost seems as if all you need for people to have the text of the show fly right over their heads is to have a military outfit on the good side and to not be blatantly anti cop. This show even had an entire episode about plague and quarantine as a precaution in when not much is known about the illness and somehow the op of this comment is "saddened" by JMS "changing" to support an abundance of caution in the face of a plague. Maybe it wasn't him who changed. Maybe it was you? Curious... do you just forget the parts that disagree with your viewpoints? Or do you decide that any possible critique of the groups you are a part of isn't really there unless the situation is one to one exactly it isn't meant to be social commentary?
@@LC-sc3en In times of true crisis it is only corrupt government elements that begin making demands on the people that they serve. C19 was a test run to gauge compliance that also served to damage the sitting President at the time. It was a real virus but there was no true need to do as they did. I know because my friend and his family had just returned from vacation in China in late November of 2019. I went to see them and two weeks later I had the worst flu I have ever had in my 55 years and was only the third time I have ever had the flu. The first few days of the third week I began coughing up blood but by the end of the week I was fine. Never once during those three weeks did I go to the hospital or clinic. I did tell everyone to not hug or touch me during that time as well. We never wore masks or got the jab when it came out. No one else in my family of 5 became ill either. The supposed cure is an experimental genetics platform. In a Pennsylvania Congressional hearing 1 1/2 years ago the doctor monitoring the research team was asked if they had found any proof the jab was dangerous. He stated that within the first year of its release to the public it had directly caused 187,000 deaths in the U.S. alone. Did you not notice how coordinated the messaging was around the world? I guess I can understand believing it if you had never taken time in the past to analyze odd quirks in the system. In 2018 I was going through releases on Wikileaks and ran across the primary reason I became concerned about the C19 narrative. It was the notes of an aide to a federal judge during the Anthrax terror trial in 2006. It was only a few pages where she had made note of what the judges schedule was and things she needed to do for him. The judge had attended several meetings over a few week period where he met with pharmaceutical company representatives, military bio research scientists and attorneys specializing in the medical field. At the end of the meetings two reports were generated with the notice for the aide to have them classify the documents out of anyone's reach. I do not know what was inside the reports but I do know their titles. 1. The Macroeconomics of a Pandemic 2. The Profitability of Avian Flu Remember, he was presiding over a terror trial related to Anthrax. Anthrax is bacterial. Decide for yourself. It appears as if you believe MAGA types are fascist and do not believe in fairness. If we were fascist we would not be standing up for innate rights. It may also be that you believe the DEI narrative is exactly what it is advertised to be. DEI is a poison designed to divide the populace and inflame emotions and plays a large role in destroying economies in various ways. It produces victims in all areas with the only exception being immune to it are the few who created it or have been told what its purpose is. We fully believe in true diversity, equality and inclusiveness. True DEI does not seek to force outcomes. It would not seek to compel or censor speech. It would not cause hate. D: We welcome those of all races, genders and nationalities. E: Equality of opportunity we believe in. Equity of outcomes we will never support. Equity creates an attitude of irresponsibility. Equality of opportunity means you have to earn your progress. I: We accept all people but we will never accept being forced to give special accommodations to someone's feelings. Humanity has made it this far with zero need to do that. Toughen up buttercup. All of this stuff is designed to create chaos or submission. We will never submit. On these platforms it is hard to tell whether one has simply believed the lie or if they are an activist promoting the lie. If you happen to be the latter know this: We know the programs which were installed into our agencies that intentionally created activist communities across our nation. We know the law firms that handle the payroll and supplies. We know which officials at the federal, state, county and city levels that are involved in subverting our government. We know the NGOs and their support network inside our agencies. We know the identity of the donors. The only people we will not take action against are their victims. The people whose uniqueness they took advantage of in order to use them as political capital in order to produce a foundational transition in our style of government. Another sad part is this means we must dismantle the UN and likely put WEF acolytes in tribunals. Its going to hurt the economy of the entire world. Horribly. If you thought these people ever cared about you I empathize with the pain it will cause to many. They may be told yet another fantastic lie that will cause them to take to the streets in rage and hatred. Please don't do it. Try to remember that if you feel hate it is your egos way of protecting itself when extreme inner trauma is not properly handled. It projects itself onto others. That's why it was done to you.
@enmartinsen81 Oh no, I was making a comparison to Star Trek's Federation. The two shows are vastly different in how they portray humanity and the galactic politics in general.
Very true, the series Babylon 5 opens during an election year and things go from there. In Star Trek we know there to be a President of the Federation, but we really have no clue how they are selected. It's a assumed to be a democratic vote, yet Star Trek has never shown this side of the Federation. We've seen the Klingon process, the Romulans and even the Ferengi and Cardassians. But for some reason the writers after all these years have totally overlooked any insight into the Federation.
Well, there was that one time with Picard being interrogated by the Cardassians. That was awesome. But B5 is so much better at illustrating the Human nature. We are *not* all Utopian Atheist Socialists like the Federation, we will still be capable of the best and the worst because of differences in Ideologies. And this scene displays it wonderfully.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.~Jesus of Nazereth
I like to imagine a short story scenario, where President Sheridan has the rangers do a top secret mission: "rendition" this interrogator off to some backwater barely-habitable planet. Sheridan personally confronts him. He's scared shitless, screaming that he has rights. Sheridan silences him, and remarks, "You once said we were all expandable. That's more true of you than ever, and worse. You are inconvenient. You are someone Earthdome would love to forget ever existed. They can't risk embarrassment by putting you on trial. But if you were to quietly disappear, no one would care, no one would question. And that brings you to me. I can't put you on trial either. The ISA can't afford the political blowback. But I can't let you escape consequences for your actions either. So, I do the only convenient thing I can do. Every government throughout history has had its gulags. Secret prisons. I was a guest in yours. Now you are a guest of mine. I always thought the ISA would be different, but appears I was wrong. This planet is uninhabited and remote. There is no water or anything remotely edible for miles. Your only escape is death. But please accept this gift. (Sheridan drops a box on the ground). The gift of choice. Goodbye Mr. Interrogator." With that, Sheridan boards his shuttle and leaves for good. The Interrogator cautiously opens the box. In it he finds a bottle of whiskey, a presumably-poisoned corned beef sandwich, and the "choice": a PPG pistol with a single charge.
star trek is more of the utopian world you would like to live in (at least on earth), but B5 is much more realistic, much more gritty and much more adult!
@Kainlarsen You forgot Sisko, the main character of DS9 is a religious nut, who were ready the sacrifice his son, Kira and everything he stand for just because some stubborn wormhole gods decided to fight on the station.
Hell Jake was possessed by the Pah Wraiths; after he felt THEIR hate towards the wormhole prophets, HE was prepared to sacrifice himself to help stop them.
To Micheal: the first three years of TNG were ridiculously politically correct (and usually pretty boring) were when Roddenberry had the most control over the series. Most of the utopian framework for the Federation was his idea. Putting female characters in tight or revealing outfits was a sixties "progressive" male's idea of "liberating".
Oh, c'mon. Did they really need his signature from his hand? They could easily forge his signature. Not a problem. Somewhere in archive should be the documents signed by Sheridan. These fascists are too obsessed with confessions and signatures of their victims.
Totalitarian nations often did exactly this sort of thing. They wanted their forced confessions to stand up, wanted the "guilty" to confess openly. Faking Sheridan's signature would be easy, but if he's not paraded before the people to verify that he did indeed confess to guilt then people become suspicious. And if he is shown to the people then he can't be allowed to speak, because he can show them to be liars with a few words. Totalitarians love show trials, forced confessions, and the like...but they have a desperate need to prove their legitimacy.
The strongest weapon ever created. The one weapon which every leader fears the most is every mans ability to say "No"
A human being's ability to say no.
That is why most corporate and political offices are filled with Yes Men and Women these days, which is very sad.
My brother. Snowden. Assange. " No. "
This is possibly the most well written 45 minutes of TV, ever. 90% of this episode is two people talking, in the same room. To be able to carry a conversation between two characters, and at the same time push the story forward and keep the viewer's interest in such a simple scenario is pretty fuckin impressive. There's maybe 5 or 6 other characters in this whole episode. A few guards, another prisoner or two, and a hallucination of Delenn. JMS is fucking Brilliant.
Yeah "Bottle episodes" like this usually always end up being really good, because it's all about the drama, the acting, the interplay between the two actors, building off each other in a confined moment of acting. DS 9 had a fantastic episode in...I think season 1, titled Duet. With Kira and a Cardassian prisoner she was interrogating for war crimes. It's a FANTASTIC episode. If you've never seen it, you should check it out.
Deep Space Nine showed the side of the federation where under duress and far from home, there were cracks in even the sterling example of the federation. I liked it for that. In Babylon 5, the characters had more weaknesses and thus more depth. More specifically, "But can you win?" "Every time I say NO" perfectly embodies the core of what civil disobedience for a cause is about.
And packed full of pointless filler :P
In the pale moonlight. Cracking episode of DS9.
DS9 'ripped off' from the best.
"Every time I say, 'no!'"
Without doubt among The Best Moments of _Babylon 5_, and why J. Michael Straczynski deserves all the kudos he gets for his work on it.
tbh the whole season 4 is a TV masterpiece
That one line just gives me chills. Sometimes the smallest phase has incredible power.
i keep wanting him to also say to that interrogator, when all of this comes crashing down around your head...i'll remember you and will come looking for you then
@@johnbanks4761watching through this episode I'd like to believe that John's conviction is what rattles the interrogator the most. He say through out that the reason he's there is because of the government and not of his own beliefs. The interrogator believes only that what he's doing is because he has to. The problem is though that John doesn't believe that, he doesn't believe in the governments "truth" and it's clear that as he continues to fight against it the interrogator is feeling more and more useless since they can't even fathom that belief.
"No" is probably the most liberating word in the English vocabulary.
True. But the price you end up paying for that tiny word...
This aged well. Very relevant to the modern era wanting to make up truth as they go... then force you to embrace that "truth."
No.
This is as good as it gets in Sci-Fi on TV. Bruce delivers the line with such intensity and such force.
Just wow. Nothing more.
This is not just JMS' vision. This is our past, our reality, our multigenerational trauma. Americans are lucky- they can afford to be clueless.
They need to get this back on Netflix so more people can see it! Such seminal science fiction falling by the wayside!
Yep. Andryusha sure as hell tells it like it AIN'T! 🤣
"Let your 'yes' be 'yes,' and your 'no' be 'no'; anything more than this comes from the evil one."
~ Jesus of Nazareth, as quoted in Matthew 5:37
B5 had some genuinely moving and powerful stuff, perhaps more so than any other sci-fi show I can think of. Sheridan's little rebuttal here is every bit as powerful now, perhaps even more. B5's message that "one person can make a difference" and "one person saying no can win" are ones that should be taken to heart. And yes, I thought of Tron the first time I saw this scene too!
One person can and sometimes does make a difference. But very few people stop to think about the price such individuals pay for their particular brand of courage.
I'd watch the entire series again just to see this scene in context with the entire saga. Pheeeew! :D
"You can not fight the system..."
That line reminded me of TRON!
Everyone talks about Chain of Command from TNG, but no one talks about this episode of B5. Possibly the better of the 2.
Not possibly, better.
It was Babylon 5 man, it's like gold.
The look in his eyes when he says “no” is everything.
@JamesSOCO2006
I totally agree that Babylon 5 is far superior than Trek. And I know that Paramount took much of the basis for DS9 from Babylon 5 (even though DS9 started earlier than B5, JMS pitched B5 to Paramount in the late 80s, but they declined saying they didn't want to run two different science fiction franchises). And even though, on occasion I laugh at how blatantly it rips off B5, I still loved the themes of religion, war, and politics applied to Trek. DS9 is by far the best Trek!
Never has this been so important as now.... "NO". No I will NOT sign that ...
Well, actually the Brotherhood doesn't really " need me to sign " anything. Their idiotic and totally illogical " Party line " is that since 2014 their precious CIA Princess is being brainwashed by her " evil " FSB/GRU brothers Oleg Tsarev and Pavel Gubarev. HOW a brilliant analyst with 180 IQ can be brainwashed is not something that even Andryusha Bustamante is willing to discuss but it is what it is. Heil the Brotherhood!
I always get chills going up my spine when I hear this. Bravo...Keep up the good fight.
We've been trying since the 2014 coup.
This is so much better than Patrick Stewart's overly theatrical and contrived "There are three lights!"
Yeah, that scene is a humorous meme now. This one is not.
Face of the Enemy/Intersections in Real Time blow me away every time.
Every time I say no
I believe this episode pays homage to "The Prisoner" nice one JMS
No. JMS knows way too much for a " normal " Hollywood " creative "- plus he's Russian and Polish. It's " personal ".
Single greatest piece of television as far as I'm concerned.
It sums up Babylon 5 in a nutshell.
Making your choice, standing up for what you believe in, and accepting that no matter the consequences you do what you believe is best, and you deal with whatever comes as a result.
This is literally the solution to the 1984 problem. America and China's current problem. I die free.
We would not have that problem in the first place if everyone were courageous enough to say the same.
Shal'kek nem'ron. If you're a Stargate fan.
Love it ...love it ....love it
Don't let the bastards grind you down
The only bad thing I can say about this episode is that you can only watch it for the first time once.
As for all those people who have develop amnesia, all I can do is shake my head in sadness and mutter to myself.
"Lucky bastards."
Fair play is fair choice. John.
If I still had my old VHS tapes I would post it for you but sadly all of my tapes were stolen when my apartment was broken into. Who breaks into a place to steal someones VHS tapes? *shakes head*
Sorry to hear about the robbery, but THIS is 100% worth stealing, you know. It's like to steal a priceless masterpiece. Which it is.
Just in case you're not yet aware, You can buy this series on DVD now. I have.
A rabid fan of Babylon 5 and JMS. 😀😀😀
You don't need teeth to say no.
Delenn's look at the end. A nice way of saying FUC_ OFF. Great moment of TV history.
Star Trek is often at it's best when humanity is depicted at its worst. You get to see very idealistic people having to balance their ideals with the reality of their situation.
It's a tough balance isn't it? We want utopia but human ideals and strengths often have to be shone under times of hardship. Trial by fire.
Best moment besides the order vs chaos scene.
Sheridan is da man!
true dat. I love this episode..
@PhilosopherSocrates I was broken into a few years back. Some people actually kicked my front door in two. I came home while they were in the process of the robbery and they ran out the front door. While they were in the process of unhooking my television, game system, etc. the only things they ended up getting away with were two DVDs: All Quiet on the Western Front and Danny Kaye's The Court Jester. I always thought that must have been a disappointing robbery for them.
Oh yes, you can and you should fight the system.
This means more to me now than ever.
It's a shame JMS, whom I normally respect, came down with a case of Covid Derangement Syndrome along with the rest of his peers in Hollywood and the media, when he damn well shoulda known better.
Yep. Still doesn't diminish the message of this episode.
Indeed, considering how timely this message is today.
Agree
It always baffles me how conservatives can look at an anti-nationalism, anti-fascist, piece of work that warns against anti science, anti truth, and is blatantly pro diversity, and fail to see it.
It almost seems as if all you need for people to have the text of the show fly right over their heads is to have a military outfit on the good side and to not be blatantly anti cop.
This show even had an entire episode about plague and quarantine as a precaution in when not much is known about the illness and somehow the op of this comment is "saddened" by JMS "changing" to support an abundance of caution in the face of a plague. Maybe it wasn't him who changed. Maybe it was you?
Curious... do you just forget the parts that disagree with your viewpoints? Or do you decide that any possible critique of the groups you are a part of isn't really there unless the situation is one to one exactly it isn't meant to be social commentary?
@@LC-sc3en In times of true crisis it is only corrupt government elements that begin making demands on the people that they serve. C19 was a test run to gauge compliance that also served to damage the sitting President at the time. It was a real virus but there was no true need to do as they did. I know because my friend and his family had just returned from vacation in China in late November of 2019. I went to see them and two weeks later I had the worst flu I have ever had in my 55 years and was only the third time I have ever had the flu. The first few days of the third week I began coughing up blood but by the end of the week I was fine. Never once during those three weeks did I go to the hospital or clinic. I did tell everyone to not hug or touch me during that time as well. We never wore masks or got the jab when it came out. No one else in my family of 5 became ill either. The supposed cure is an experimental genetics platform. In a Pennsylvania Congressional hearing 1 1/2 years ago the doctor monitoring the research team was asked if they had found any proof the jab was dangerous. He stated that within the first year of its release to the public it had directly caused 187,000 deaths in the U.S. alone.
Did you not notice how coordinated the messaging was around the world?
I guess I can understand believing it if you had never taken time in the past to analyze odd quirks in the system. In 2018 I was going through releases on Wikileaks and ran across the primary reason I became concerned about the C19 narrative. It was the notes of an aide to a federal judge during the Anthrax terror trial in 2006. It was only a few pages where she had made note of what the judges schedule was and things she needed to do for him. The judge had attended several meetings over a few week period where he met with pharmaceutical company representatives, military bio research scientists and attorneys specializing in the medical field. At the end of the meetings two reports were generated with the notice for the aide to have them classify the documents out of anyone's reach.
I do not know what was inside the reports but I do know their titles.
1. The Macroeconomics of a Pandemic
2. The Profitability of Avian Flu
Remember, he was presiding over a terror trial related to Anthrax.
Anthrax is bacterial. Decide for yourself.
It appears as if you believe MAGA types are fascist and do not believe in fairness. If we were fascist we would not be standing up for innate rights.
It may also be that you believe the DEI narrative is exactly what it is advertised to be. DEI is a poison designed to divide the populace and inflame emotions and plays a large role in destroying economies in various ways. It produces victims in all areas with the only exception being immune to it are the few who created it or have been told what its purpose is. We fully believe in true diversity, equality and inclusiveness. True DEI does not seek to force outcomes. It would not seek to compel or censor speech. It would not cause hate.
D: We welcome those of all races, genders and nationalities.
E: Equality of opportunity we believe in. Equity of outcomes we will never support. Equity creates an attitude of irresponsibility. Equality of opportunity means you have to earn your progress.
I: We accept all people but we will never accept being forced to give special accommodations to someone's feelings. Humanity has made it this far with zero need to do that. Toughen up buttercup.
All of this stuff is designed to create chaos or submission. We will never submit. On these platforms it is hard to tell whether one has simply believed the lie or if they are an activist promoting the lie. If you happen to be the latter know this:
We know the programs which were installed into our agencies that intentionally created activist communities across our nation. We know the law firms that handle the payroll and supplies. We know which officials at the federal, state, county and city levels that are involved in subverting our government. We know the NGOs and their support network inside our agencies. We know the identity of the donors. The only people we will not take action against are their victims. The people whose uniqueness they took advantage of in order to use them as political capital in order to produce a foundational transition in our style of government. Another sad part is this means we must dismantle the UN and likely put WEF acolytes in tribunals. Its going to hurt the economy of the entire world. Horribly.
If you thought these people ever cared about you I empathize with the pain it will cause to many. They may be told yet another fantastic lie that will cause them to take to the streets in rage and hatred. Please don't do it.
Try to remember that if you feel hate it is your egos way of protecting itself when extreme inner trauma is not properly handled. It projects itself onto others. That's why it was done to you.
Garak should have interrogated him.
Why Garak? Why not Beria? Forced confessions were his middle name. 😀
say no to price and debt
Even though they are totally different this scene reminds me of the Next Genration episode with Picard being interrogated.
"THERE ARE, 4 LIGHT'S"!
This would have been a perfect line for The Matrix.
Good show
Bruce is the best!!! And Babylon 5 rocks :-)
Truism at its best!
Kainlarsen thank you you for saying that. I like what you had to say.
You're a great person.
@enmartinsen81 Oh no, I was making a comparison to Star Trek's Federation. The two shows are vastly different in how they portray humanity and the galactic politics in general.
Very true, the series Babylon 5 opens during an election year and things go from there. In Star Trek we know there to be a President of the Federation, but we really have no clue how they are selected. It's a assumed to be a democratic vote, yet Star Trek has never shown this side of the Federation. We've seen the Klingon process, the Romulans and even the Ferengi and Cardassians. But for some reason the writers after all these years have totally overlooked any insight into the Federation.
Well, there was that one time with Picard being interrogated by the Cardassians. That was awesome.
But B5 is so much better at illustrating the Human nature. We are *not* all Utopian Atheist Socialists like the Federation, we will still be capable of the best and the worst because of differences in Ideologies. And this scene displays it wonderfully.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.~Jesus of Nazereth
Best scene
At least the thieves had good enough taste to know what was of real value.
Someone who is both a criminal and a fan of quality sci-fi, evidently.
yes, and to 1984 as well.
I like to imagine a short story scenario, where President Sheridan has the rangers do a top secret mission: "rendition" this interrogator off to some backwater barely-habitable planet. Sheridan personally confronts him. He's scared shitless, screaming that he has rights.
Sheridan silences him, and remarks, "You once said we were all expandable. That's more true of you than ever, and worse. You are inconvenient. You are someone Earthdome would love to forget ever existed. They can't risk embarrassment by putting you on trial. But if you were to quietly disappear, no one would care, no one would question. And that brings you to me. I can't put you on trial either. The ISA can't afford the political blowback. But I can't let you escape consequences for your actions either. So, I do the only convenient thing I can do.
Every government throughout history has had its gulags. Secret prisons. I was a guest in yours. Now you are a guest of mine. I always thought the ISA would be different, but appears I was wrong. This planet is uninhabited and remote. There is no water or anything remotely edible for miles. Your only escape is death. But please accept this gift. (Sheridan drops a box on the ground). The gift of choice. Goodbye Mr. Interrogator."
With that, Sheridan boards his shuttle and leaves for good. The Interrogator cautiously opens the box. In it he finds a bottle of whiskey, a presumably-poisoned corned beef sandwich, and the "choice": a PPG pistol with a single charge.
star trek is more of the utopian world you would like to live in (at least on earth), but B5 is much more realistic, much more gritty and much more adult!
B-5 is classic, unfortunately 3 of the actors who played starring roles have left us.
You can always buy them on DVD, though they are kinda expensive. Or they were when I bought them.
I just got here from the Pro Libertate Blog hosted by Wm. N. Griggs.
Hear hear !
So wonderfully acted and scripted - makes all the rest of the writing out there pale in comparison. I watch this clip once every few weeks.
Bravo!
@Kainlarsen You forgot Sisko, the main character of DS9 is a religious nut, who were ready the sacrifice his son, Kira and everything he stand for just because some stubborn wormhole gods decided to fight on the station.
Hell Jake was possessed by the Pah Wraiths; after he felt THEIR hate towards the wormhole prophets, HE was prepared to sacrifice himself to help stop them.
@Kirok No. It didnt.
I got them for about 25 dollars each on Amazon.
these videos are too short, need to see the whole thing and the ending
Go watch the show then..
@@vamperic i did ages ago..have the entire collection but my statement is still correct,
@PhilosopherSocrates have you considered a clever invention called DVDs?
not trying to be rude, just funny...
Sweet. I feel ripped off now, LOL. Oh well, you pay a price for getting things shortly after release.
To Micheal: the first three years of TNG were ridiculously politically correct (and usually pretty boring) were when Roddenberry had the most control over the series. Most of the utopian framework for the Federation was his idea. Putting female characters in tight or revealing outfits was a sixties "progressive" male's idea of "liberating".
Oh, c'mon. Did they really need his signature from his hand? They could easily forge his signature. Not a problem. Somewhere in archive should be the documents signed by Sheridan. These fascists are too obsessed with confessions and signatures of their victims.
Totalitarian nations often did exactly this sort of thing. They wanted their forced confessions to stand up, wanted the "guilty" to confess openly. Faking Sheridan's signature would be easy, but if he's not paraded before the people to verify that he did indeed confess to guilt then people become suspicious. And if he is shown to the people then he can't be allowed to speak, because he can show them to be liars with a few words.
Totalitarians love show trials, forced confessions, and the like...but they have a desperate need to prove their legitimacy.
@Kainlarsen : Atheist Socialists? I always thought the Federation was Communist.
@seven7ofnine way better than both m8