You can’t be friends on track, friendship is on hold once the race begins until it ends. To be the best you can’t assume your friend will give you any quarter in wheel-to-wheel racing. Lando has now been introduced to the real Max Verstappen, with his if I can’t win then you won’t either mentality despite being so far ahead in the championship, he could just take the 2nd place and go again next week but no he has to ruin his and his rivals race.
@@matthewbarber13 well lets say he takes it to the max when defending or even too far. i dont think he wants to chrash with norris in this case. And 2nd is better as 5th its not that he came back to the pit to retire...
The friendship will only survive if Verstappen remains on top. As soon as Norris and McLaren are faster it’ll be over. Max and the Red Bull team are such poor sportsman… zero class.
@@mollyandmaxx😂 show me a team that doesn’t whine about every little thing. Zack brown and McLaren have cried over a lot less. Lewis cry’s every time he get a track limit warning. It’s racing baby any time a team doesn’t get what they want they go cry to the media. The drivers do the same
People have always complained that Norris is not aggressive enough to be a world champion, and finally when he shows some aggressivness, people complain that his wheel to wheel combat is bad, he is too impatient etc. Come on people, pick up your poison 🤷♂️.
@@MWARIS1 "no one seems to complain about that" So.. are you ignoring all the hubbub in 2021 or do you just not remember? Max was assaulted for basically the entire season because he was driving Lewis off the track basically every corner. The only reason Max hasn't been getting shit for this for the last 2 years is because there simply hasn't been anyone close enough to properly race him.
@@andrewb378 exactly what I am saying, Max might be a good driver but never seen person as seflish and ignorant as him in any sport. Would rather kill someone than let them pass.
@@encinobalboaPerez has the ability to perform better than this. But obviously when Redbull rewards him with a multi year contract for getting knocked out in Q1 he has no reason to perform.
Max joins Schumacher in the club of people who will drive other people off the road all day long and go absolutely fucking bananas if it happens to them.
It's situations like this that Red Bull want Perez to be where Russel was and pick up the pieces, yet Perez got beaten and overtaken by a Haas, this guy won't be in Red Bull next year if he keeps this up, that new contract will be ripped to shreds.
Agree, but if it hadn't been for the crash, he'd have been lapped by Verstappen - he finished 54s behind Russell, who was 13s behind before the crash. The RB is either a phenomenal car with a piss poor second driver, or Verstappen is working miracles with it. Seemed like a no-brainer to me to stick Sainz in the second seat. I can only assume Verstappen's contract has veto clauses in it, like Prost, Schumacher (and probably Hamilton, too) had, or Carlos wasn't prepared to be second fiddle.
@@SIXITHS the issue continues to be this. Perez is out of position, Perez continues to be out of position. So when anything additional happens(which is often the case with Perez because he’s out of position) then it compounds the pace/position he’s in… Because he’s out of position
@@SIXITHS Yes but with a tight grid qualifying P7 for the Sprint at 1.322 s. behind and P8 at 0.888 s. behind your teammate for the GP is a sure thing that you can't help out with strategy in the race.
Why are we talkin about his. Look at the facts last week there were no talks when Norris pushed Verstappen of during the start in Barcelone? No one is talking about this were is the consistency in here!
IKR. At least he doesn't complain about other drivers moving under brak ... oh, no, wait, that's common too. In fact, he also runs others off the track, but also complains about others running him off the track. It's almost as if he's a bad sportsman, who believes himself entitled to victories.
@@ChrispyNut drivers do this all the time, theyre racing at a top level and have to endure insane conditions, so of course they arent thinking rationally and with a cool head. last time in austria hamilton kept complaining about others going off track limits when he himself went off the track limits and got penalized but no one called hamilton a "bad sportsman", its just that verstappen is dominating now so the narrative is that he's a bad person
@@hhhhhh-vi6sq What the hell you talking about, they're super rational and calm in the cockpit. A good sportsman acknowledges their mistakes and tries to do better. A bad sportsman hide their mistakes and seeks to blame others. A bad sport is one that rewards bad sportsmanship. The sport is primarily to blame, but given the global economic system it operates within, it's entirely normal.
@@hhhhhh-vi6sqyou can’t argue with fair weather Sunday fans. They are just agreeing with the loudest ones out there. If the FIA would’ve given Norris the penalty earlier then this accident would not have happened. Just a couple turns too late😂. You are 100% right; over the decades time and time again the best racers get into racing incidents and it makes the racing great. Loving these RB haters in the comments tho. Coming from a fan of neither but a fan of racing… when you dive bomb 3 times and push the leader off the track on 1 of the 3 and completely overshoot the 2nd and in the sprint run into the title holder and to not expect ‘payback’ is naive. The end result is RB had two cars make the points and McLaren only one… sooo the points speak for themselves
Once upon a time F1 had racing without 100's of penalties per season. Just let them race. It's supposed to be about racing. Not micro managing. evrything
Once upon a time, Max would've gotten a 10 second stop-go for his antics. Modern F1 are too scared to punish reckless drivers like Crashstappen. Shumi got disqualified from an entire season for caused a crash. Verstappen as done WAY worse in his career and not even got a race ban, which just enables him.
Its not a misjudgment. He's purposfully putting his car in places that force his oponent to concede or crash. Max knows Norris is his only rival and even if they both DNF he still keepd the advantage. He knows next time Norris will now think twice because he has more to lose
People act like max is the only driver that does this. Every driver does this to a point. Lando drove max off the road in the last race at the start and if that caused a massive wreck people would be freaking out even worse… They will shrug this off and be fine next week
Ricciardo and Verstappen had many incidents (quite famously) and they, too, have said their friendship survived in part due to Ricciardo leaving Red Bull.
I'm surprised no one else is talking about this. Max took Ricciardo out of the race two times when they were teammates and because Max always got protection from Horner and Marko, Daniel decided to leave.
@@Euclides287 The final straw for Ricciardo was being apportioned some blame for Baku, when he was forced by Horner to front up with Max and apologise to everyone at the factory like a naughty boy.
@@mikespearwood3914 Sure... Verstappen and Ricciardo our fine, maybe not best friends or as close as Max and Lando are. In contrary to the fans, most drivers get along. Lando and Max will also be fine after they have cooled off a bit. But off course the media will do everything to milk this and make this much bigger than what it is.
This is how Verstappen drives. He settled down a bit since he first appeared in F1, but more than that other drivers simply learned to give him room in order to avoid crashing. Even Lewis would tend to give way to him because Lewis understood that it wasn’t worth the risk and he didn’t have to battle that hard with Max - until he did. As soon as Louis stopped being willing to simply give way, they started coming together. We haven’t really seen it again since 2021 because Max hasn’t really had to race anybody due to that car being so dominant. The more he has to fight, the more we are going to see collisions - because, as Norris just learned, Max doesn’t fight cleanly, and the stewards rarely intervene when he does things like moving under braking. I feel badly for Norris - He was trying to be respectful, and he really didn’t expect Max to pull the sort of things on him that he had pulled on Lewis. If he was travelling on Max’s plane this weekend, that’s going to be a very uncomfortable trip. And Norris is going to have to learn to fight fire with fire. If you want to beat Max in anything approaching equal machinery, you have to be willing to race like he does, or he will steamroll over you.
Lando completely shot through the turn two laps before and should have thanked Max over the radio for not ending their race then and there. Max is mega aggressive and should tone it down a little, but the way Lando tried to overtake him was amateur like. You can’t dive bomb from 50 m back and expect the guy in front to give up P1 and wish you a pleasant day. He should have taken a different line and go for the overtake in Turn 5. That would have made Max unable to counter him anyway. I think it’s a poor showing from both guys and knowing Max this will keep happening as well. Lando is a fantastic driver that clearly gained some pace and understanding of how to use his tyres, but he doesn’t have the same skill level and decisiveness when it comes to overtaking. He’s just not very good at it and he’s trying to overtake the hottest head F1 has seen since Michael Schumacher. He needs to be smarter
Lando has one win. One. He was only able to challenge Max because of a bad pit stop. Also, watch Max’s onboard. He clearly didnt turn into Lando to purposely wreck his own car. Also, every racer knows who owns a corner. The man on the inside
I think Peter Windsor gave a good explanation of what happened there was more than enough space for Lando. Sainz did the same to max and max slowed and avoided contact and overtook max on the over under. Lando is diving like a rookie
It’s sad that Peter Windsor is making excuses for bad driving behavior on Mad Max’s part. But in his defense Max has been doing this crap forever and it was allowed. Why stop now?
@@sheldoniusRex Formula doesn't have rear-view mirrors? And what I know, if you have a problem in F1, you should turn on red blinking light on back. And what I see Max didn't do that.
Max has always reminded me a lot of schumacher in that he’s always a happy Chappy and relatively respectful to everyone up until he gets threatened by another driver who could beat him and will proceed to throw every toy out of the cot until he gets his way - he really hates taking full responsibility for problems he causes, unlike other drivers like Leclerc who don’t take almost any issue owning up to their mistakes. Max has the biggest ego on track, it just hasn’t been as present as you’d expect in the last couple years because he’s almost always winning every race easily so there’s no need to show it. This second half of the season is gonna be spicy af.
Agreed on Schumacher. Dude's overrated and half the reason is because he liked fucking people's shit up the moment it looked like he might lose. Damon Hill is a 2-time World Drivers' Champion.
This is spot on. Max is happy when it's all smooth sailing. But when threatened goes into child mode. Norris was faster and should have won, max took him out. Pretty simple.
He doesn't force the other driver to take evasive action every time, he's far better judged when he divebombs, something you're allowed to do under the rules. That Norris didn't get a penalty for his rather ridiculous divebombs just proves that the stewards are ridiculously bad at their jobs.
Divebombs are OK if they are done right, Landos ones where quite desperate. He was going in two hot on two occasions, and in the first instance when he accused Max on moving under braking he waited too long to jump on the inside and gave Max the excuse to stay on the racing line. Lando could still commit to that and Max would probably give him enough space but Lando would miss the apex and Max would take the place back on the exit of that turn. The attempt which lead to collision was also Lando not taking the space Max left him on the outside. The 10s penalty for Max ws given without much investigation since they new it will have no effect on his result. If they bumped wheels and continued the fight I doubt there would be any decision taken.
Max didn’t crack. If Max had really cracked he would’ve just refused to bail out at one of the dive bombs. Max defended very calculated. If Norris expects Max to back out of his divebombs he should also back out when squeezed.
This incident reminds me of the Schumacher days when he was dominating races. In those days he always crashed into other drivers who were about to beat him.
Exactly. Schumi had the proper mentality, not the "we're all friends here and we sing kumbaya" shit we see these days. 100% Max is the new Schumacher and we love him for that
There was no misjudment by Max. He admitted that you yield or we crash. Please stop giving him the benefit of the doubt when he has clearly stated his intention.
Lando could have shifted to the left and avoid contact, let max get the penalty and carry on racing. He refused to go on the outer stripes leading to retiring his car. Lando still has some maturing to do.
@@virtualwanderer that's the problem with moving under braking. Lando can't just turn to avoid contact, because he's braking! That leads to horrible shunts. Trying to force someone to take avoiding action in the braking zone is super dangerous. He can't just "shift to the left," and it has nothing to do with his maturity.
Well, maybe after the 4th attempt of doing the same exact thing into T3, Lando could've tried a different corner? But let's not mention his divebombs right?
Leclerc pushed Max way wider on this corner and he still made the overtake without any contact, it’s almost like he’s a way better driver than Norris and British broadcasters and fans ruin the sport?
I mean, F1 needs to sell the sport. The collision itself was pretty small; Lando could have use a little bit of kerb and be safe (like max did vs Sainz same track 2023) or Max could've left 1 inch more.
@@ghfsd786fa yeah, I think if we have to pick 1 person, Max is at fault here since forcing someone so wide they have to turn in with their outside wheel on a kerb isnt the most clean move. But at the same time it was an overtake for P1 in the closing stages of the race, so 10 seconds penalty seems a bit harsh. But Lando also has to learn to keep his cool in these situations. I feel like he can become a bit desperate in the chase for a win and take unnecessary risks which hurt him in the long run. But good luck telling a racing driver to stay behind his opponent for a bit longer when he sees an opening haha
@@lancealvarez1009 That is not the point. The main issue is not about moving under braking. According to the telemetry, he didn't actually move while braking. It's allowed to move left without braking, and he didn't receive a penalty for that either, he would if he did... What's more concerning is that Max should have let Lando pass. He exceeded track limits four times under a black and white flag, but the FIA reported this penalty too late and AFTER the race. If the FIA had addressed this earlier, Max could have won even if Lando passed.
The first time we saw the double move in the braking by Max was in Azerbaijan 2018 with Danny Ric. It's just ridiculous. He has been doing it for years he should have a proper reprimand.
@@thorodinson7467 That's why he's been getting away with it. He got a reputation for his style of "yield, or we crash". All the other drivers need to have a meeting and decide that every time Verstappen chooses to play this game, he's gonna crash. He'll quickly stop doing it when he DNFs in 20 races in a season.
Peter Windsor explains it very well on his channel. Verstappen has NO steering input before the turn. It’s the track bending to the right. Furthermore the penalty for track limits was handed to Norris AFTER the race. A five seconds penalty during the race would most certainly have meant Verstappen winning. Facts are friendly.
I was fascinated to hear Andrea Stella's comments. He owes Mercedes and Hamilton precisely nothing, and so his callout about the racing standards changing then seems even more pointed. Particularly because Red Bull have not had to put up this stiff of a wheel-to-wheel fight for a while.
Except it's all nonsense. He's defending his driver and preparing for possible future incidents, which is fine. George Russell defends by moving in the braking zone at almost every GP and it doesn't get called a penalty. The FIA is at fault for not enforcing standards properly and for only enforcing them when there's an incident.
@@n.b.5258 what? Neither Russel or anyone else on the grid defends the way Verstappen does, when they do they don't get away with as they get penalties. Verstappen has been doing this since he joined f1, go watch his antics against Kimi weaving left and right when about to get passed, Issue is, everyone around him will say he did nothing wrong, FIA will let him get away with it as long as he doesn't cause an accident like today, so it's just a sad spectacle.
@@unknownapp6347 Not true. Sainz did the same thing at Monza last year, everyone loved it, and he got DOTD. The only difference was there was no incident, which isn't supposed to matter. Drivers do it all the time. Doesn't make it right, but that's why we still have it happening.
Norris his comment is strange. If you immediately say their friendship is at stake because of an incident in the race then you are really frustrated. Max was smart by saying of course we wil talk it out but he first has to watch back the replay. It is also short sighted because of what happened before the incident. First Lando dive bombs, goes off track, also forces Max off track and then the incident happens. Lando was also not really correct in the duel. Then looking back at the duels between Max and Lewis. Max was then blamed for dive bombing, got cut by Lewis in similar ways. Back then it was Max his fault by the British media and fans. Now Lando does this to Max and now it still is Max his fault. In my opinion this is being blown up again by Lando his emotional reaction and the British media and fans.
LOL Lando wasn’t dive bombing when this incident happened. It’s Max’s tactic of give way or we’ll crash which has always been criticized, and that is exactly what he pulled today. Very disappointing, as it puts a very unsportsmanlike end to what was a great battle.
@@valerierodger Peter Windsor explained it perfectly. The DRS is too blame. Alex Brundle also was absolutely spot on that the FIA penalizes the outcome then the action. Many cars in that corner collided but no punctures and no penalties. Max gets 10 sec because of the outcome. Other drivers already should have gotten penalties because of similar actions. The other point Max is going into a corner. He might have looked in his mirror but then needs to focus on the corner and exit. He leaves a cars width or at least he thought he did and then Lando with his DRS drops the car on Max his outside. Peter Windsor said it’s the fault of DRS but after that more Lando his wrong judgement then Max his fault. The other thing he mentioned the rules don’t make sense because every driver goes in and out of the corner differently. They all have a different apex. Peter Windsor is always great because of his neutral point of view. He said this is part of racing if you don’t like it go watch waterpolo. Max or any other driver will not open the door and say sorry I’n in the way I will leave a lot of space so you can overtake me. They will always defend their racing lines. It was not the smartest overtake attempt from Lando. In my opinion there was a lot of frustration in his attempts and he kept failing. He tried to force it too much. At the end it was RB’s own mistakes they put Max in this situation that Lando was able to come back.
Nah I’m not British and this was clear as day. Love that we’re getting some close hard racing finally but this one can’t find a defence for it from MV. To be clear I don’t support either team or Mercedes…
You're not Dutch by any chance? Ah - you're a zealot, then. You may think it's a racing incident - but the race authorities (who are experts) disagree.
Very simply put, if Max doesn't hit Norris, there would never have been a penalty for "forcing another driver off the track" because there was TONS of space for Norris. Norris took them both off track before the accident, and got no penalty for it, even though it VERY clearly should be based on precedent. The only reason Max got a penalty was because a collision occurred, and the reason it looked so weird is because usually we see Max and Lewis do this to each other and the driver on the outside is smart enough to turn with it. They just have to admit that they don't penalize actual driving, they penalize the outcomes.
Max calling Lando unpredictable when he's behind max making the move is comical. You're not supposed to know how Lando is going to attack. You pick a line and stick to it. You don't get to just be in front just because you want to 😂😂😂
At last, Lando grew a set of balls and didn’t shy away from max and just look at what happened! Let’s hope this makes it game on for the future now and no more jumping out of max way every time is along side each other.
2021 vibes about max' driving which isnt good and Norris' lunges were a bit too much. In the end they both paid the price. I think one aspect is also that the +5s verdict for Norris was so slow to come. I think if the penalty came earlier, it wouldve made the battle a little different with max maybe not defending so hard or norris realising he need to pass more definitely. The stewards were really waffling.
Norris only got that penalty after they realise they have to give max one hence why it came so quick after the collision. F1 is shit, 2021 Brazil, RBR 2019 no penalties. Like redbull said back then let them race. Well let them race because max is leading already so he will happily crash lando without thinking twice. Am loving this season now
It start with Norris saying the unsafe release and want to close the gap to ver, doing divebomb while overtaking off track then pushing max offtrack while he complains to much. Norris is such a whining boy
The divebombs are a bit ridiculous, either the defending driver gets forced off the road or they crash. Also after initial contact Lando clearly turns into max’s rear tyre on purpose after initially turning away to leave space
Perez gets a penalty for dropping a few small bits of carbon on the track a couple of races ago. He was given a 3 place grid drop for the next race. Lando and Max completely cover the track in carbon shards and the FIA say nothing? I find it strange when a rule is applied randomly like this.
@@garbage2882 Norris damaged most of his floor and rear diffuser. He was next to Max on track and so if he had rejoined after a tyre change, he would have scored around 5th position - but it was clear his damage was terminal.
@@JakeM218 it wasn't clear, that's why they continued, for Perez it was clear that he couldn't keep going, but he still kept driving so he got a penalty
Everyone in the paddock and anyone watching who has any knowledge of F1 is not surprised by Max’s (illegal mostly) tactics when battling anyone who is a real threat. Anthony Davidson did an excellent review on Sky showing what Max was doing and as a former F1 racer was in no doubt about Max’s culpability on multiple occasions. Unless strong action is taken this will inevitably happen again.
@@tompeters6656 He didn’t make the corner once and that was because Verstappen moved under braking and had to take action. The other time Lando made a perfectly legal move but somehow Verstappen wasn’t deemed to give the place back.
@@ajgooner6728again. that 'perfectly legal' move was Max being pushed of the track to not get hit by a storming Lando... its not hard to see if you are a neutral spectator.
Oh the-race, as Peter Windsor analyzed, Max didn’t actually moved left, it was the track that is shaped that way. In all honesty the blame is like 60-40, Max actually left a significant amount of space as Landos tire is barely on the rumble strip when they collided, he is not even off the track, Lando’s idiotic dive bombing is party to blame, he is too fast to correct or make avoiding action.
Hi Im Dutch so immediately hit that thumbs down button before you read this please.. but I have a question: Why didn't Lando simply move to the left when Max was squeezing him? It seems he could have avoided a collusion.
Nowhere for Norris to go? Loads of space for him to go, the kerb, the blue painted tarmac behind it and the runoff behind that. Unlike the grass he pushed Verstappen onto in Barcelona. Could've well ended in tears as well. Norris must have decided he wasn't going to be bullied into submission by Verstappen, held his ground and lost out. Could've still scored some decent points, like Verstappen did, but drove back to the pits way too fast and destroyed his floor and what not. I agree that it was a tiny misjudgment. He probably thought Norris had bailed, focused on the apex, moved to the left and at the very same moment, Norris went for it. Kind of how Mass moved over for Gilles and then Gilles decided to pass Mass on the inside at Zolder 82. Had neither of them had a puncture, it probably wouldn't even have been investigated. I feel sorry for Norris. I like him a lot, after Verstappen, he's my favourite driver. He was obviously hurt. But he was maybe being a bit naive in thinking Verstappen would treat him any other way that he would another driver. Verstappen is a ruthless driver who will try to win at any cost, exploiting the rulebook to the full extent. Whether he finishes second because he's overtaken or because he's received a penalty for defending too hard is all the same to him. He only cares about the upside. Norris still has to get there mentally, maybe he will, like Rosberg did in 2016, maybe he won't like Hill did against Schumacher and will have to bide his time and wait until he has a superior car. And by the way, up until the incident it was all fair game. Hard, but fair. The stewards didn't penalize either driver for the alleged moving under braking or the divebombs. Verstappen got penalized for the collision. By the way, last year, Sainz squeezed Verstappen way worse than Verstappen did Norris this year. Verstappen was almost all the way onto the blue tarmac. Yet Sainz did not receive a penalty. So even if Verstappen did squeeze Norris intentionally, he was doing so, expecting not to be penalized.
It was hard racing, which is what we want to see and I think the penalty decision was wrong. The final move by MV that “caused a collision” was the result of MV retaking the racing line to open up his line into what is a very tight corner, which (I thought) was allowed as long as the requisite cars width is left (which it was). I like LN but his dive-bombs into turn 3 were far more dangerous and reckless than Max’s moves “in the braking zone”. LN demonstrably lost control of his car while MV avoided a collision on those occasions, allowing LN to get away with it. Again, and again. Not to mention the inexcusable delay in applying the 5 sec. penalty for LN for exceeding track limits. It is unfortunate that the 10 sec. penalty for MV will cause blame to be apportioned wholly on MV in retrospect. imho the outcome on track was sufficient penalty for all concerned.
Funny how FIA was quicker to penalize Max many laps after Lando clearly breeched another final "Track Limits Warning"! Great JOB FIA ! They could have avoided this Crash but clearly decided not to do the right thing!
This "Max matured" over the years argument doesn't really stand up. Clearly what's actually happened is Max's car was so far ahead of everyone else over the last few years he's not had to race like a petulant child. Now that there is a car challenging the red bull again he's just reverting to the way he really is. Heck, even after they touched and Max clearly knew his car was damaged significantly he still tried to push him off on the way down the hill. That is flat out dangerous driving and I've no idea why more folks are not talking about that post contact incident.
The difference between a Verstappen 'divebomb' is that he does it once and makes it stick. Other drivers desperately try it multiple times and don't make it stick. Max always only needs one commited and agressive move when he attacks someone to overtake. I guarantee you that if it was Max in that Mclaren and Norris in that RB. He would have passed Norris at the first possible opportunity.
Hmm .. if you're still up for a 5sec penalty execution you should not be allowed to make any risky moves to the race leader the way Lando forced himself up there. Vertappen strategically positioned already at the left side without any sudden steering movement from data. Bad FIA judgment who also "forgot to announce" Lando's 5sec penalty at proper manner during the race..
one guy stayed on the track and the other was off the track to a point he had a track limits penalty which came 1 minute too late. Im not sure how a guy taking the racing line is the problem. Its the guy who was all over the shop driving erratically (Norris). Your image at 7.14 proves Norris just shunted from behind.
Max and Red Bull never take any responsibility for any kind of incident. I can’t recall a moment since I started watching F1 when a hand was put up and responsibility accepted by anyone at RBR.
Oh my the press using platitudes around both divers so they don't actually say what they think. Let us remind you who is at fault. The FIA's stewards who did not penalise max for moving under breaking or forcing Lando off the track (twice). So man clashes with the Verstappen and so few penalties and you think the other divers are the ones forgetting they have to share the track. Max and Ocon are a danger to everyone.
I've been saying this for a decade now, when max entered the sport. To beat Verstappen, you have to let him wreck you. Drive your line, don't give him a single inch, and he'll end both of your races right there. Max will consistently wreck enough that he will face consequences or learn that he can not race you the way he does currently. He is the only one that drives this way his whole career and everyone pretty much puts up with it. When someone is the first to give you disrespect, you then have to equal that amount to continue being respectful. Clearly no one ever did this to Max on track in his karting days, whether that's because of his pace or what ever the reason. The fact he carried into formula cars is scary but, even worse it went on as long as it has. To elaborate on 'let him wreck you': You move to the inside for a dive-bomb (as DRS lets you), if he swipes in front of you and slams the brakes where you either rear end him, or evade and stay behind, ram him. He didn't have to cut you off dangerously. Like he did here in Austria (multiple times) and loves to do as a defense of turning back into you when going into a corner, just pin him to the smallest entry angle and let him out drive himself into you. I'll gladly take 24 DNFs a season from him when I guarantee he DNFs with me. 40 years ago he would have gotten a soap sock for the shit he has pulled.
Of course it's Max's fault because if you look at the standings there's 81 points between Max and Lando for 1st place. Lando was a shoe-in to win the Austrian GP which would have closed the gap from 81 pts to 56 pts. Max didn't and doesn't want anyone that close to toppling him from 1st place. This was a dirty deed on Max's part and once again Max plays dirty to get ahead. He pulled something similar with Charles back in carting days and Max was at fault then too. I would love to see Lando win the Silverstone GP and Max come in 4th. In addition, I don't think the grid penalty is enough. We have all seen Max get away with other incidents and I honestly think that Max should have gotten disqualified or dnf + the 10 second grid penalty.
9:25 exactly, I think Max’s main weakness is that he expects everyone else he is racing to ultimately not push the limit as much as himself which isn’t how this works/ Max is never willing to be the one to back down which won’t sustain itself in the long term
Especially now considering how safe the cars have become. You can understand guys balking in similar situations like this against guys like Senna in those older cars but now with how much safer these are? You weigh that risk vs reward and I don’t think many guys are gonna be too concerned this generation of car.
*Impatience & poor decision making from Lando sending it around the outside* Go back & watch Max vs Sainz Lap 26 of Austria 2023. Sainz moves under braking, Max backs off, puts his wheel 'off track' Uses DRS to pass on the next straight for a clean overtake.
100% what Stella said. Max literally violated the "Verstappen rule." The penalty for Norris was ridiculous: track limits for .5 sec = 5 sec penalty, vs. taking another driver out of the race = 10 seconds. Needs to be variable penalty up to 30 seconds if you take someone out. Lap after lap Max was doing things on over over the line: moving after the other driver commits, etc. And yes, this never was fully handled after the Lewis comings together, and only now has Max really had any competition years later.
Lewis who went on to win the 2021 Silverstone GP punted Max into a barrier destroyed his car and put him into hospital, yet he only got a 10 second penalty so stop whinging and whining about penalties kid 💀
That's how Dale Earnhardt got 76 wins. He made it very clear "I will crash myself out of second to crash you out of first. Or, let me slide on by you can keep second.". That's how you get the nickname The intimidator.
Exactly what F1 needs after Max crushing the field for 3 years. This incident would never have happened if Norris got his 5 second penalty for exceedin track limits He only got that after the race. Norris knows now how difficult it will be to beat Max if he did not before. That tangle was 50/50 imo.
Pete Windsor explained it perfectly. Max was in front and had the inside, why would he have to change his line for lando behind him? There was plenty of space. If the stewards were quicker on landos penalty then none of this would have happened. And let's not forget lando literally pushed Max onto the grass last week
If this is going to be like watching two gamer mates fall-out over who wins and who doesn’t - I do think Max is more mentally resilient to be able to handle it in all honesty. He seems to have a detachment from the track that Norris doesn’t have - even though they both can become extremely animated and emotional when it’s not going well
You both need to watch the entire footage from all angles. Norris caused the collision. Max was middle track, leaving norris the inside or outside, Norris collided with max's left rear tire straight away. Then footage is shown of max's car muscleing Norris to the left as Norris comes alongside, at that point Max's car was out of control from the puncture. Not only was this a racing incident, but get off Max. If anyone was to blame more in my opinion, it was Norris. I like both of those guys, but watch the entire footage from all angles before you jump on Max.
Just like with Lewis, welcome Lando fans. Now you will see that we weren’t just complaining. On a good note, at least Max considers Lando a threat now.
Really? How about you go back and look at how many incidents Hamilton has had since 2021. (Hint, it's in the double digits) This is only Verstappen's second. Before Verstappen, everyone used to complain about Hamilton being the most aggressive driver and not giving an inch. It really doesn't matter who you root for, there's always going to be something.
@@valerierodger False. Through the first half of 2022 he was fighting LeClerc, and behind in points for most of that period. It wasn't until after Spa (which was after the summer break that year) that he started winning without much challenge. He's been fighting Norris since Miami this year without incident until today.
So wait wait one minute. So Lando will lose respect for Max cause of the way he raced him today? Max raced Lewis like this in ‘21 and Lando was a Max fanboy back then, so what happened? Oh I get it it’s ok he does it to the guy that was winning all the time in Lewis, but since you want to start winning races now, Max is a dirty driver?? I didn’t see anything different in Max’s racing today compared to ‘21 against Lewis. The double standards in this sport are amazing!! No one had anything to say publicly in way of support for Lewis with the way Max raced him, but have a lot to say when it’s Lando, including himself. Next time speak up for the right thing to happen, even if it’s against someone else or someone you’re envious of!!
Are you fukking high? No one had anything to say when it was Lewis???? Were you even there in '21? You couldn't get a word in edgewise against the chorus of British pundits calling Max the literal fucking Antichrist over how he raced Lulu.
I think Max had a brain freeze and quit thinking completely. But I place a large part if the blame on the officials. Norris had been black and white flagged for track limits and then went off again. All race long the officials were quick to issue their rulings but not on Norris. He should have had a 10 second penalty and it should have been handed down quickly. Had that been the case, Max would have let him go and stayed in touch. There was no way Norris could have pulled a 10 second lead in the remaing laps.
Ironically when alex brundle said max was already focused on making the corner and looking at the apex, probably not expecting lando to be on the outside, and buxton laughed at him, brundle was right as leclerc took the exact same line in 2019 as max did, the only difference being max backing off before trying again later on. Also norris didn’t have a point the first time as max didn’t move, he chose a line and kept to it… hence no penalty!
Norris was behind, the same situation happened between Leclerc and Max. Max was sensible, Norris knew he was getting the penalty he was doing exactly what he wanted to make Max do something which would get him penalty or cause an issue. Max was ahead, following the racing line and of course he has the right to be on the racing line and get an angle for turning. Blaming this on Max is stupidity and an agenda.
Let's be very clear: There is negative 100% change a bunch of Brits are going to be honest about this Norris divebomb bonanza. The situation is not at all clear since Norris had no reasonable expectation to be able to overtake anyone on the outside when he doesn't start overtaking until the apex. Listen to Peter Windsor before responding, please.
Good point. That’s sad to watch this happen. I think this is unfair calculating thousands of people paying expensive tickets trying to see a true race, a true winner. You don’t have to be a pro driver to discover how all the racing cars are running on different paces. The only way that you could “win “is crashing with the “ leader” if you have a chance, like happened in this ra😅😊ce.
My opinion is this….. MAX should have let him by. The RBs DRS is so powerful he would have got back around and had the advantage. The team totally messed up not telling Max about the 5 seconds penalty Lando had. That was a blatant turn into the McLaren. No other way to call it. Yes something’s Max does that before making a turn to get rotation but that is a bs excuse max. Come on…. I have a feeling with the Updates Lando looks good this coming weekend. It’s going be interesting next weekend 😊
@@DreamOfFlying your not getting my point…. If you a smart driver and know your DRS is powerful witch THE RB IS. You got to play it smart let him pass , force him to make a mistake and make the pass. With the drs and the draft he would have got Lando easy. No question the DRS IS SO SO POWERFUL on the RB20. He was thinking in the moment witch most anyone would do but if you the driver everyone thank you are you know when to pick your fights. I don’t like to say it, but just like Lewis would’ve done….. I rest my case.
RB didn't know Lando was getting a 5s penalty, that penalty was only announced after the race. Also, the onboard of Max shows him keeping the steering wheel absolutely straight when he supposedly turned into Lando.
These interviews are so silly. Look at the first still image at 7 seconds of Verstappen and Norris side by side and then at the next still image at 10 seconds of Verstappen slightly ahead. Edd Straw has the cheek to say "nowhere for Norris to go". What nonsense - he had so much space he could have been driving an Oshkosh truck and there would still be space left before there was nowhere to go. I appreciate that the British fans/press/experts will support their men but FFS, dont just make stuff up to support your argument.
Telemetry shows Verstappen did NOT move to the left, but that piece of track has a slight bend on the edge, i.e. it's an optical illusion. Ask Peter Windsor, he can confirm. But I guess if you want something to be true, you just parrot it often enough.
@@redbullsauberpetronas Last I heard RUclips had banned adblockers and were threatening to delete the account of anyone detected using one so I just turned mine off. If you know different then I'll happily turn it back on.
@@scottmeredith3359 Well, seeing as Jos is a menace and was absolutely an abusive individual to Max during his childhood, I'd say that would be a spanking/paddling.
I think Max and Lando were both right. Landos early moves were ridiculous, Max’s responses were not great either. Lando did dive to the outside after trying the inside the time before. I think to penalise a driver for defending isn’t right, Max needed to swing wide to make the corner. Lando could have moved a little wider as he had room. Racing incident. However, the steward situation is RIDICULOUS
Stella and the whiners need to f'off. If we sanatize driving to the extend mentioned we'd never have had Shumacher, Senna, Hamilton, or many of the other champions. Let them RACE!! Max is nothing different, or has done nothing different then other drivers did in order to win. Champions have done worst things before to win a race or a championship. And it has created memories we'll never forget. It makes the sport. Do we really want to destroy that? This was a racing incident, and it was also the highlight of the season so far, dont f'ing whine about it, this is what we want to see. This is 2021, in 2024, these rivalry's shape the most memorable seasons in history. MORE plz!!
There is a lot of tension while they are sitting in the car driving at those insane speeds. Even Alonso was recently penalized for dive bombing someone. Those things happens and it is very easy to criticize sitting on a comfortable chair, watching the replays a hundred times from different angles to make a judgment. Wbat about making the judgement whatching only once, from the drivers' view point? In addition, I think discussing their friendship is completely off bounds.
This won’t be their last collision
Hopefully not at Silverstone
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!
Just wait until Norris needs to overtake Piastri mate... 😅
Especially if Norris thinks he's 100% in the right
Penalty for Ocon
Once upon a time, Hamilton and Rosberg were friends.
You can’t be friends on track, friendship is on hold once the race begins until it ends.
To be the best you can’t assume your friend will give you any quarter in wheel-to-wheel racing.
Lando has now been introduced to the real Max Verstappen, with his if I can’t win then you won’t either mentality despite being so far ahead in the championship, he could just take the 2nd place and go again next week but no he has to ruin his and his rivals race.
in other words, turn 3 of austria ends friendships
I remember when rosberg basically kicked hamilton off track at the exact same spot where max and lando collapsed
@@matthewbarber13 well lets say he takes it to the max when defending or even too far. i dont think he wants to chrash with norris in this case. And 2nd is better as 5th its not that he came back to the pit to retire...
Well, Keke gave Hamilton quite a nice childhood memories and HAM shat on it...
Friendships and teammates only last when there’s a clear 1 and 2
Fuckings BARZ
The transition from friends to rivals breaks some friendships, but I like to hope theirs will last through their rivalry.
The friendship will only survive if Verstappen remains on top. As soon as Norris and McLaren are faster it’ll be over. Max and the Red Bull team are such poor sportsman… zero class.
@@mollyandmaxxI mean while I agree with you about red bull Lando is a certified complainer he’s more immature than max
@@mollyandmaxx😂 show me a team that doesn’t whine about every little thing. Zack brown and McLaren have cried over a lot less. Lewis cry’s every time he get a track limit warning. It’s racing baby any time a team doesn’t get what they want they go cry to the media. The drivers do the same
Oooooh last week, didn't LN say that MV had enough space when he pushed him on to the grass at the start of the Spanish GP.
People have always complained that Norris is not aggressive enough to be a world champion, and finally when he shows some aggressivness, people complain that his wheel to wheel combat is bad, he is too impatient etc. Come on people, pick up your poison 🤷♂️.
There's a fine line between being aggressive and being desperate.
@@rexhelley1828 Verstappen has been desperate to the level, win it or bin it mentality and no one seems to complain about that?
@@MWARIS1 "no one seems to complain about that"
So.. are you ignoring all the hubbub in 2021 or do you just not remember? Max was assaulted for basically the entire season because he was driving Lewis off the track basically every corner.
The only reason Max hasn't been getting shit for this for the last 2 years is because there simply hasn't been anyone close enough to properly race him.
@@andrewb378 exactly what I am saying, Max might be a good driver but never seen person as seflish and ignorant as him in any sport. Would rather kill someone than let them pass.
Only max fans are complaining. I love it.
Love how after all that he still finished 17 seconds ahead of Checo
Checo living rent free in your head. This video has nothing to do with him
@kaazz where else is he gonna live? In the Haas sandwich?
@@kaazzMate, you were lucky this incident happened. Without it and the slow stop, Checo could have been lapped by Max.
They have the same car. They do not have the same ability.
@@encinobalboaPerez has the ability to perform better than this.
But obviously when Redbull rewards him with a multi year contract for getting knocked out in Q1 he has no reason to perform.
"Max didn't like Lando making these huge lunges up the inside"... man, that's so fucking rich XD
Max has been doing that almost his whole career.
Yeah, and considering Austria 2019 on Charles
@@luyolomnyani1639🎯
Max joins Schumacher in the club of people who will drive other people off the road all day long and go absolutely fucking bananas if it happens to them.
max usually lands those moves. he doesnt just lock up and fly off the circuit 3 times in a row dumbass
It's situations like this that Red Bull want Perez to be where Russel was and pick up the pieces, yet Perez got beaten and overtaken by a Haas, this guy won't be in Red Bull next year if he keeps this up, that new contract will be ripped to shreds.
As long as he brings his Pesos, RB will be relatively happy.
@@coatknightpeso perez is a cool nickname
Bad pit stop and a damaged car really mess your race.
@@coatknight As long as he isn't challenging Max, RB will be happy. They don't need his Pesos. They do need Max to be happy.
@@bertjilk3456 they do need his pesos to pay Max though
Perez being 17 seconds behind Max who had a 10second penalty and a pit stop… that second seat is a waste
Agree, but if it hadn't been for the crash, he'd have been lapped by Verstappen - he finished 54s behind Russell, who was 13s behind before the crash. The RB is either a phenomenal car with a piss poor second driver, or Verstappen is working miracles with it. Seemed like a no-brainer to me to stick Sainz in the second seat. I can only assume Verstappen's contract has veto clauses in it, like Prost, Schumacher (and probably Hamilton, too) had, or Carlos wasn't prepared to be second fiddle.
a 10 second penalty, what a joke.
Perez had a damaged car from lap 1 and a really slow pitstop that everyone has conveniently ignored.
@@SIXITHS the issue continues to be this. Perez is out of position, Perez continues to be out of position. So when anything additional happens(which is often the case with Perez because he’s out of position) then it compounds the pace/position he’s in… Because he’s out of position
@@SIXITHS Yes but with a tight grid qualifying P7 for the Sprint at 1.322 s. behind and P8 at 0.888 s. behind your teammate for the GP is a sure thing that you can't help out with strategy in the race.
Why are we talkin about his. Look at the facts last week there were no talks when Norris pushed Verstappen of during the start in Barcelone? No one is talking about this were is the consistency in here!
BCN: Start of the race. All drivers in close proximity.
AUT(?): Just 2 drivers involved - plenty of space.
@@brianligat9493 lando puched Verstappen of the track, still the same lando had enough room an the left side, so much that Russel overtook him
Verstappen complaining about divebombs lol
IKR. At least he doesn't complain about other drivers moving under brak ... oh, no, wait, that's common too. In fact, he also runs others off the track, but also complains about others running him off the track.
It's almost as if he's a bad sportsman, who believes himself entitled to victories.
@@ChrispyNut drivers do this all the time, theyre racing at a top level and have to endure insane conditions, so of course they arent thinking rationally and with a cool head. last time in austria hamilton kept complaining about others going off track limits when he himself went off the track limits and got penalized but no one called hamilton a "bad sportsman", its just that verstappen is dominating now so the narrative is that he's a bad person
@@hhhhhh-vi6sq What the hell you talking about, they're super rational and calm in the cockpit.
A good sportsman acknowledges their mistakes and tries to do better.
A bad sportsman hide their mistakes and seeks to blame others.
A bad sport is one that rewards bad sportsmanship. The sport is primarily to blame, but given the global economic system it operates within, it's entirely normal.
@@hhhhhh-vi6sqyou can’t argue with fair weather Sunday fans. They are just agreeing with the loudest ones out there. If the FIA would’ve given Norris the penalty earlier then this accident would not have happened. Just a couple turns too late😂. You are 100% right; over the decades time and time again the best racers get into racing incidents and it makes the racing great. Loving these RB haters in the comments tho. Coming from a fan of neither but a fan of racing… when you dive bomb 3 times and push the leader off the track on 1 of the 3 and completely overshoot the 2nd and in the sprint run into the title holder and to not expect ‘payback’ is naive. The end result is RB had two cars make the points and McLaren only one… sooo the points speak for themselves
@@ChrispyNut It was this attitude that made me likes VER. And it is funny to see him receiving his own remedy lol
The complaints over the racing finally being close is nuts. Penalty is fine, excited to see them race close through the rest of the season
The penalties and close racing are not the issue, it's the team that benefitted from this
There's also a difference between close racing and dirty driving, tbf Lando was on the line but Max was just dirty
@@sean7885Exactly, when Lando did too much he gave the position back. Max kept moving under braking.
That wasn’t “close racing”. Time to learn about the rules?
Well they certainly were close together and definitely racing
Once upon a time F1 had racing without 100's of penalties per season. Just let them race. It's supposed to be about racing. Not micro managing. evrything
Once upon a time, Max would've gotten a 10 second stop-go for his antics. Modern F1 are too scared to punish reckless drivers like Crashstappen.
Shumi got disqualified from an entire season for caused a crash. Verstappen as done WAY worse in his career and not even got a race ban, which just enables him.
Its not a misjudgment. He's purposfully putting his car in places that force his oponent to concede or crash. Max knows Norris is his only rival and even if they both DNF he still keepd the advantage. He knows next time Norris will now think twice because he has more to lose
Lando has a choice. If he backs down to Max next time, then he's finished. He's got to show that he won't be bullied.
Norris got desperate and went too far.
People act like max is the only driver that does this. Every driver does this to a point. Lando drove max off the road in the last race at the start and if that caused a massive wreck people would be freaking out even worse…
They will shrug this off and be fine next week
They can't call him out, pundits, fia, they all baby him
Ricciardo and Verstappen had many incidents (quite famously) and they, too, have said their friendship survived in part due to Ricciardo leaving Red Bull.
Their not friends 😂😂
I'm surprised no one else is talking about this. Max took Ricciardo out of the race two times when they were teammates and because Max always got protection from Horner and Marko, Daniel decided to leave.
@@Euclides287 The final straw for Ricciardo was being apportioned some blame for Baku, when he was forced by Horner to front up with Max and apologise to everyone at the factory like a naughty boy.
@@mikespearwood3914 Sure... Verstappen and Ricciardo our fine, maybe not best friends or as close as Max and Lando are. In contrary to the fans, most drivers get along. Lando and Max will also be fine after they have cooled off a bit. But off course the media will do everything to milk this and make this much bigger than what it is.
This is how Verstappen drives.
He settled down a bit since he first appeared in F1, but more than that other drivers simply learned to give him room in order to avoid crashing. Even Lewis would tend to give way to him because Lewis understood that it wasn’t worth the risk and he didn’t have to battle that hard with Max - until he did. As soon as Louis stopped being willing to simply give way, they started coming together.
We haven’t really seen it again since 2021 because Max hasn’t really had to race anybody due to that car being so dominant. The more he has to fight, the more we are going to see collisions - because, as Norris just learned, Max doesn’t fight cleanly, and the stewards rarely intervene when he does things like moving under braking.
I feel badly for Norris - He was trying to be respectful, and he really didn’t expect Max to pull the sort of things on him that he had pulled on Lewis. If he was travelling on Max’s plane this weekend, that’s going to be a very uncomfortable trip.
And Norris is going to have to learn to fight fire with fire. If you want to beat Max in anything approaching equal machinery, you have to be willing to race like he does, or he will steamroll over you.
This statement has sooooo much truth in it. Powerful.
People are mad because Max has the ability to alter course under heavy braking. And they don't have that talent.
Intimidation is part of racing.
Lando being fair , what a joke 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lando completely shot through the turn two laps before and should have thanked Max over the radio for not ending their race then and there.
Max is mega aggressive and should tone it down a little, but the way Lando tried to overtake him was amateur like. You can’t dive bomb from 50 m back and expect the guy in front to give up P1 and wish you a pleasant day. He should have taken a different line and go for the overtake in Turn 5. That would have made Max unable to counter him anyway.
I think it’s a poor showing from both guys and knowing Max this will keep happening as well. Lando is a fantastic driver that clearly gained some pace and understanding of how to use his tyres, but he doesn’t have the same skill level and decisiveness when it comes to overtaking. He’s just not very good at it and he’s trying to overtake the hottest head F1 has seen since Michael Schumacher. He needs to be smarter
Lando has one win. One. He was only able to challenge Max because of a bad pit stop. Also, watch Max’s onboard. He clearly didnt turn into Lando to purposely wreck his own car. Also, every racer knows who owns a corner. The man on the inside
I think Peter Windsor gave a good explanation of what happened there was more than enough space for Lando. Sainz did the same to max and max slowed and avoided contact and overtook max on the over under. Lando is diving like a rookie
Maxy fun girl
It’s sad that Peter Windsor is making excuses for bad driving behavior on Mad Max’s part. But in his defense Max has been doing this crap forever and it was allowed. Why stop now?
I'm surprised more people aren't talking about how max, in a damaged car, forced norris onto the grass on the run to t4
Thank you!!! He seemed to intentionally block Norris twice while he had the puncture
Yeah, and then said "Ridiculous!" when he got 10s penalty. He thought, that only he must win every race and he have all protections or what?
He was trying to get off of the racing line. He didn't have any reason to expect Lando to try the inside after the collision.
@@sheldoniusRex Formula doesn't have rear-view mirrors? And what I know, if you have a problem in F1, you should turn on red blinking light on back. And what I see Max didn't do that.
@@sheldoniusRex he looked in his mirrors, then came back across when lando went left.....
Max has always reminded me a lot of schumacher in that he’s always a happy Chappy and relatively respectful to everyone up until he gets threatened by another driver who could beat him and will proceed to throw every toy out of the cot until he gets his way - he really hates taking full responsibility for problems he causes, unlike other drivers like Leclerc who don’t take almost any issue owning up to their mistakes. Max has the biggest ego on track, it just hasn’t been as present as you’d expect in the last couple years because he’s almost always winning every race easily so there’s no need to show it. This second half of the season is gonna be spicy af.
Agree 100%
Spot on. Very child like
Yep and Schumacher came immediately to mind, when Max moved across on Lando, when he had the puncture already. It was textbook Schumacher.
Agreed on Schumacher. Dude's overrated and half the reason is because he liked fucking people's shit up the moment it looked like he might lose.
Damon Hill is a 2-time World Drivers' Champion.
This is spot on. Max is happy when it's all smooth sailing.
But when threatened goes into child mode. Norris was faster and should have won, max took him out. Pretty simple.
Lando Norris and Lewis Hamilton are about to have a great bonding experience
And Charles I to the mix also as he was on the end of some pretty crap driving from Max not so long ago also
And Ocon.
Don't forget Charles Leclerc, Daniel Ricardo, Sebastian Vettel, Kimi Raikonen, Esteban Ocon and Valteri Bottas 😅
@@knight2425 what are you talking about? Charles and Max rivalry goes way back lol
@@royaloreca short memory?
Hold on! Verstappen is criticizing dive bombing? Verstappen! This must be a joke. Verstappen!
Verstappen won the championship this way (including the Abu Dhabi final lap). Quite rich of him.
He doesn't force the other driver to take evasive action every time, he's far better judged when he divebombs, something you're allowed to do under the rules.
That Norris didn't get a penalty for his rather ridiculous divebombs just proves that the stewards are ridiculously bad at their jobs.
Yeah because an amateur can’t pull it off.
You really want to compare what Lando did to Max taking back doors that people leave wide open? You dumb?
Divebombs are OK if they are done right, Landos ones where quite desperate. He was going in two hot on two occasions, and in the first instance when he accused Max on moving under braking he waited too long to jump on the inside and gave Max the excuse to stay on the racing line. Lando could still commit to that and Max would probably give him enough space but Lando would miss the apex and Max would take the place back on the exit of that turn.
The attempt which lead to collision was also Lando not taking the space Max left him on the outside. The 10s penalty for Max ws given without much investigation since they new it will have no effect on his result. If they bumped wheels and continued the fight I doubt there would be any decision taken.
It might have cost him the race, but today Lando made Max crack under pressure for the first time since 2021.
Max got some points but Lando 🥴🥴.
@@givemeabreak8784Max had a puncture while Lando had terminal damage
@@givemeabreak8784 True, bit like when Lewis took Max out in Silverstone, got a penalty and still won the race.
Max didn’t crack. If Max had really cracked he would’ve just refused to bail out at one of the dive bombs. Max defended very calculated. If Norris expects Max to back out of his divebombs he should also back out when squeezed.
@@givemeabreak8784what are you supposed to do if the puncture is ripping the floor and suspension to bits?
This incident reminds me of the Schumacher days when he was dominating races. In those days he always crashed into other drivers who were about to beat him.
It's 2024, bro. Women vote, black people have some rights, and smoking kills. It's not the 20th century anymore
Exactly. Schumi had the proper mentality, not the "we're all friends here and we sing kumbaya" shit we see these days. 100% Max is the new Schumacher and we love him for that
@@divinitygaming8673he isn t even at his knies crybaby
@@arnoldmbuthia2687Tf does that have to do with clean driving? 😂
@@arnoldmbuthia2687 what is bro talking about? 😂😂
There was no misjudment by Max. He admitted that you yield or we crash. Please stop giving him the benefit of the doubt when he has clearly stated his intention.
Senna did the same thing
Right? He's practically got his philosophy carved into his forehead.
Lando could have shifted to the left and avoid contact, let max get the penalty and carry on racing. He refused to go on the outer stripes leading to retiring his car. Lando still has some maturing to do.
@@virtualwanderer that's the problem with moving under braking. Lando can't just turn to avoid contact, because he's braking! That leads to horrible shunts. Trying to force someone to take avoiding action in the braking zone is super dangerous. He can't just "shift to the left," and it has nothing to do with his maturity.
@sidharthtirkey44he is better, Lauda said
Well, maybe after the 4th attempt of doing the same exact thing into T3, Lando could've tried a different corner?
But let's not mention his divebombs right?
Leclerc pushed Max way wider on this corner and he still made the overtake without any contact, it’s almost like he’s a way better driver than Norris and British broadcasters and fans ruin the sport?
The amount of drama and attention this collision has been getting is huge and its only been a couple of hours😭
It's clear the media wants another 2021
I mean, F1 needs to sell the sport. The collision itself was pretty small; Lando could have use a little bit of kerb and be safe (like max did vs Sainz same track 2023) or Max could've left 1 inch more.
Spot on,all from arm chair experts who drive with one hand while wanking
@@ghfsd786fa yeah, I think if we have to pick 1 person, Max is at fault here since forcing someone so wide they have to turn in with their outside wheel on a kerb isnt the most clean move. But at the same time it was an overtake for P1 in the closing stages of the race, so 10 seconds penalty seems a bit harsh. But Lando also has to learn to keep his cool in these situations. I feel like he can become a bit desperate in the chase for a win and take unnecessary risks which hurt him in the long run. But good luck telling a racing driver to stay behind his opponent for a bit longer when he sees an opening haha
The reason why? A brit was involved, so they have to prove that the other guy was wrong
"Can their friendship survive that". This is a competitive sport. This is what you wanna talk about ?
Yes. It makes it spicier
Wait verstappen crashed into someone who was passing him for the lead and ultimately a win. Wow I’m shocked, I’ve never seen him do that.
🤭
that was seen only by the British.. there was room enough.
@@bobkeul7682 If u arent blind u will see if lando moved even further to left it would be out of the track.... where was the cars width ey
Spot on bud
@@lancealvarez1009 That is not the point. The main issue is not about moving under braking. According to the telemetry, he didn't actually move while braking. It's allowed to move left without braking, and he didn't receive a penalty for that either, he would if he did...
What's more concerning is that Max should have let Lando pass. He exceeded track limits four times under a black and white flag, but the FIA reported this penalty too late and AFTER the race. If the FIA had addressed this earlier, Max could have won even if Lando passed.
The first time we saw the double move in the braking by Max was in Azerbaijan 2018 with Danny Ric. It's just ridiculous. He has been doing it for years he should have a proper reprimand.
😂😂😂
He's been doing it since he came to f1. Vettel complained, Kimi complained, and other drivers all avoid him on track.
@@thorodinson7467
That's why he's been getting away with it. He got a reputation for his style of "yield, or we crash". All the other drivers need to have a meeting and decide that every time Verstappen chooses to play this game, he's gonna crash. He'll quickly stop doing it when he DNFs in 20 races in a season.
@@LSB001Facts
Peter Windsor explains it very well on his channel. Verstappen has NO steering input before the turn. It’s the track bending to the right. Furthermore the penalty for track limits was handed to Norris AFTER the race. A five seconds penalty during the race would most certainly have meant Verstappen winning. Facts are friendly.
Yesssss 100%
Why did they wait so long before giving Lando that penalty!!!!😡
That would have changed the outcome! And not spoil it.
why put gravel traps if you're going to delete the lap for track limits anyway?
that's double punishment.
I was fascinated to hear Andrea Stella's comments. He owes Mercedes and Hamilton precisely nothing, and so his callout about the racing standards changing then seems even more pointed. Particularly because Red Bull have not had to put up this stiff of a wheel-to-wheel fight for a while.
Except it's all nonsense. He's defending his driver and preparing for possible future incidents, which is fine. George Russell defends by moving in the braking zone at almost every GP and it doesn't get called a penalty. The FIA is at fault for not enforcing standards properly and for only enforcing them when there's an incident.
@@n.b.5258 🤦♀ That fits with what Stella said. The rules aren't being enforced, so we're getting this kind of driving.
@@ChrispyNut Yeah, it fits with part of what he said. But implying that Verstappen was the only driver to blame for all of 2021 was irresponsible.
@@n.b.5258 what? Neither Russel or anyone else on the grid defends the way Verstappen does, when they do they don't get away with as they get penalties. Verstappen has been doing this since he joined f1, go watch his antics against Kimi weaving left and right when about to get passed, Issue is, everyone around him will say he did nothing wrong, FIA will let him get away with it as long as he doesn't cause an accident like today, so it's just a sad spectacle.
@@unknownapp6347 Not true. Sainz did the same thing at Monza last year, everyone loved it, and he got DOTD. The only difference was there was no incident, which isn't supposed to matter. Drivers do it all the time. Doesn't make it right, but that's why we still have it happening.
If the FIA gave lando his 5 sec penalty, this wouldn't have happened but here we are lol
Norris his comment is strange. If you immediately say their friendship is at stake because of an incident in the race then you are really frustrated. Max was smart by saying of course we wil talk it out but he first has to watch back the replay. It is also short sighted because of what happened before the incident. First Lando dive bombs, goes off track, also forces Max off track and then the incident happens. Lando was also not really correct in the duel. Then looking back at the duels between Max and Lewis. Max was then blamed for dive bombing, got cut by Lewis in similar ways. Back then it was Max his fault by the British media and fans. Now Lando does this to Max and now it still is Max his fault. In my opinion this is being blown up again by Lando his emotional reaction and the British media and fans.
LOL Lando wasn’t dive bombing when this incident happened. It’s Max’s tactic of give way or we’ll crash which has always been criticized, and that is exactly what he pulled today. Very disappointing, as it puts a very unsportsmanlike end to what was a great battle.
@@valerierodger Peter Windsor explained it perfectly. The DRS is too blame. Alex Brundle also was absolutely spot on that the FIA penalizes the outcome then the action. Many cars in that corner collided but no punctures and no penalties. Max gets 10 sec because of the outcome. Other drivers already should have gotten penalties because of similar actions. The other point Max is going into a corner. He might have looked in his mirror but then needs to focus on the corner and exit. He leaves a cars width or at least he thought he did and then Lando with his DRS drops the car on Max his outside. Peter Windsor said it’s the fault of DRS but after that more Lando his wrong judgement then Max his fault. The other thing he mentioned the rules don’t make sense because every driver goes in and out of the corner differently. They all have a different apex. Peter Windsor is always great because of his neutral point of view. He said this is part of racing if you don’t like it go watch waterpolo. Max or any other driver will not open the door and say sorry I’n in the way I will leave a lot of space so you can overtake me. They will always defend their racing lines. It was not the smartest overtake attempt from Lando. In my opinion there was a lot of frustration in his attempts and he kept failing. He tried to force it too much. At the end it was RB’s own mistakes they put Max in this situation that Lando was able to come back.
Can not agree more
Well said
VERY VERY TRUE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
I LIKE 👍🏻
SUPER MAX
It’s a racing incident! Perhaps Verstappen could have given more room but he was on the inside , and AHEAD ! You Brit’s ! lol
Stem 100%
Mooi gesê 😁
That’s not how the stewards saw it
Max moved right then left into Land, its clear in the replay. 100% max fault.
Nah I’m not British and this was clear as day. Love that we’re getting some close hard racing finally but this one can’t find a defence for it from MV. To be clear I don’t support either team or Mercedes…
You're not Dutch by any chance? Ah - you're a zealot, then. You may think it's a racing incident - but the race authorities (who are experts) disagree.
Very simply put, if Max doesn't hit Norris, there would never have been a penalty for "forcing another driver off the track" because there was TONS of space for Norris. Norris took them both off track before the accident, and got no penalty for it, even though it VERY clearly should be based on precedent. The only reason Max got a penalty was because a collision occurred, and the reason it looked so weird is because usually we see Max and Lewis do this to each other and the driver on the outside is smart enough to turn with it. They just have to admit that they don't penalize actual driving, they penalize the outcomes.
Max calling Lando unpredictable when he's behind max making the move is comical. You're not supposed to know how Lando is going to attack. You pick a line and stick to it. You don't get to just be in front just because you want to 😂😂😂
At last, Lando grew a set of balls and didn’t shy away from max and just look at what happened! Let’s hope this makes it game on for the future now and no more jumping out of max way every time is along side each other.
Norris could have easily reacted to Max squeezing him by going on the kerbs. Watch other battles from past races in that exact corner.
2021 vibes about max' driving which isnt good and Norris' lunges were a bit too much. In the end they both paid the price.
I think one aspect is also that the +5s verdict for Norris was so slow to come. I think if the penalty came earlier, it wouldve made the battle a little different with max maybe not defending so hard or norris realising he need to pass more definitely.
The stewards were really waffling.
Norris only got that penalty after they realise they have to give max one hence why it came so quick after the collision. F1 is shit, 2021 Brazil, RBR 2019 no penalties. Like redbull said back then let them race. Well let them race because max is leading already so he will happily crash lando without thinking twice. Am loving this season now
Agreed - the stewards were painfully slow - did they have English football referees using Var - Stuart Attwell?
It start with Norris saying the unsafe release and want to close the gap to ver, doing divebomb while overtaking off track then pushing max offtrack while he complains to much. Norris is such a whining boy
You can't keep saying "it's a tiny miscalculation" when the driver, in question, has reputation of doing this in close battles
its called ignorance and fanboyism
are you braindead or something? we're not discussing Max's career as a whole, just the latest incident where it WAS a tiny miscalculation
The divebombs are a bit ridiculous, either the defending driver gets forced off the road or they crash.
Also after initial contact Lando clearly turns into max’s rear tyre on purpose after initially turning away to leave space
Perez gets a penalty for dropping a few small bits of carbon on the track a couple of races ago. He was given a 3 place grid drop for the next race.
Lando and Max completely cover the track in carbon shards and the FIA say nothing?
I find it strange when a rule is applied randomly like this.
they had little damage and punctures, Perez lost his rear wing and kept driving even though it was clear that damage was terminal
it's not the same
@@garbage2882 Norris damaged most of his floor and rear diffuser. He was next to Max on track and so if he had rejoined after a tyre change, he would have scored around 5th position - but it was clear his damage was terminal.
@@JakeM218 it wasn't clear, that's why they continued, for Perez it was clear that he couldn't keep going, but he still kept driving so he got a penalty
Everyone in the paddock and anyone watching who has any knowledge of F1 is not surprised by Max’s (illegal mostly) tactics when battling anyone who is a real threat. Anthony Davidson did an excellent review on Sky showing what Max was doing and as a former F1 racer was in no doubt about Max’s culpability on multiple occasions. Unless strong action is taken this will inevitably happen again.
Could you review Norris's dive bombs while not making the corner a couple of times?
@@tompeters6656Verstappen the dive bomb master
@@tompeters6656 He didn’t make the corner once and that was because Verstappen moved under braking and had to take action. The other time Lando made a perfectly legal move but somehow Verstappen wasn’t deemed to give the place back.
@@ajgooner6728again. that 'perfectly legal' move was Max being pushed of the track to not get hit by a storming Lando... its not hard to see if you are a neutral spectator.
@@tompeters6656 Nah, that goes against the british narrative, none of the "Max bad" brainlets are even mentioning Norris' ridiculously bad divebombs
Oh the-race, as Peter Windsor analyzed, Max didn’t actually moved left, it was the track that is shaped that way. In all honesty the blame is like 60-40, Max actually left a significant amount of space as Landos tire is barely on the rumble strip when they collided, he is not even off the track, Lando’s idiotic dive bombing is party to blame, he is too fast to correct or make avoiding action.
Hi Im Dutch so immediately hit that thumbs down button before you read this please.. but I have a question: Why didn't Lando simply move to the left when Max was squeezing him? It seems he could have avoided a collusion.
Nowhere for Norris to go? Loads of space for him to go, the kerb, the blue painted tarmac behind it and the runoff behind that. Unlike the grass he pushed Verstappen onto in Barcelona. Could've well ended in tears as well. Norris must have decided he wasn't going to be bullied into submission by Verstappen, held his ground and lost out. Could've still scored some decent points, like Verstappen did, but drove back to the pits way too fast and destroyed his floor and what not.
I agree that it was a tiny misjudgment. He probably thought Norris had bailed, focused on the apex, moved to the left and at the very same moment, Norris went for it. Kind of how Mass moved over for Gilles and then Gilles decided to pass Mass on the inside at Zolder 82.
Had neither of them had a puncture, it probably wouldn't even have been investigated.
I feel sorry for Norris. I like him a lot, after Verstappen, he's my favourite driver. He was obviously hurt. But he was maybe being a bit naive in thinking Verstappen would treat him any other way that he would another driver. Verstappen is a ruthless driver who will try to win at any cost, exploiting the rulebook to the full extent. Whether he finishes second because he's overtaken or because he's received a penalty for defending too hard is all the same to him. He only cares about the upside. Norris still has to get there mentally, maybe he will, like Rosberg did in 2016, maybe he won't like Hill did against Schumacher and will have to bide his time and wait until he has a superior car.
And by the way, up until the incident it was all fair game. Hard, but fair. The stewards didn't penalize either driver for the alleged moving under braking or the divebombs. Verstappen got penalized for the collision.
By the way, last year, Sainz squeezed Verstappen way worse than Verstappen did Norris this year. Verstappen was almost all the way onto the blue tarmac. Yet Sainz did not receive a penalty. So even if Verstappen did squeeze Norris intentionally, he was doing so, expecting not to be penalized.
It was hard racing, which is what we want to see and I think the penalty decision was wrong.
The final move by MV that “caused a collision” was the result of MV retaking the racing line to open up his line into what is a very tight corner, which (I thought) was allowed as long as the requisite cars width is left (which it was). I like LN but his dive-bombs into turn 3 were far more dangerous and reckless than Max’s moves “in the braking zone”. LN demonstrably lost control of his car while MV avoided a collision on those occasions, allowing LN to get away with it. Again, and again.
Not to mention the inexcusable delay in applying the 5 sec. penalty for LN for exceeding track limits.
It is unfortunate that the 10 sec. penalty for MV will cause blame to be apportioned wholly on MV in retrospect. imho the outcome on track was sufficient penalty for all concerned.
Funny how FIA was quicker to penalize Max many laps after Lando clearly breeched another final "Track Limits Warning"! Great JOB FIA ! They could have avoided this Crash but clearly decided not to do the right thing!
YESSSSS
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YESSSS!!!!!
TRUE WORDS, hope FIA read these comments
This "Max matured" over the years argument doesn't really stand up. Clearly what's actually happened is Max's car was so far ahead of everyone else over the last few years he's not had to race like a petulant child. Now that there is a car challenging the red bull again he's just reverting to the way he really is. Heck, even after they touched and Max clearly knew his car was damaged significantly he still tried to push him off on the way down the hill. That is flat out dangerous driving and I've no idea why more folks are not talking about that post contact incident.
Yeah the second time when Max with a puncture and damage tried to put Max in the wall was mad !
The difference between a Verstappen 'divebomb' is that he does it once and makes it stick. Other drivers desperately try it multiple times and don't make it stick. Max always only needs one commited and agressive move when he attacks someone to overtake. I guarantee you that if it was Max in that Mclaren and Norris in that RB. He would have passed Norris at the first possible opportunity.
I like how you lot refuse to state how Lando could have had 2 wheels on the kerb to avoid the collision in that corner. Max didn't see him
Hmm .. if you're still up for a 5sec penalty execution you should not be allowed to make any risky moves to the race leader the way Lando forced himself up there. Vertappen strategically positioned already at the left side without any sudden steering movement from data. Bad FIA judgment who also "forgot to announce" Lando's 5sec penalty at proper manner during the race..
one guy stayed on the track and the other was off the track to a point he had a track limits penalty which came 1 minute too late. Im not sure how a guy taking the racing line is the problem. Its the guy who was all over the shop driving erratically (Norris). Your image at 7.14 proves Norris just shunted from behind.
If you think that’s a racing line I prescribe you karting school
Why are you always making excuses for Max? "Tiny tiny misjudgment" yeah okay
Max and Red Bull never take any responsibility for any kind of incident. I can’t recall a moment since I started watching F1 when a hand was put up and responsibility accepted by anyone at RBR.
I’ve only been watching F1 for 5 years but yeah I don’t think I’ve ever seen them take blame for anything and certainly not Max
Karen Horner is a big part of that too!
All these drivers are in the limit..mistakes happen, all too easy to pick it apart in retrospect and in slow motion
Oh my the press using platitudes around both divers so they don't actually say what they think. Let us remind you who is at fault. The FIA's stewards who did not penalise max for moving under breaking or forcing Lando off the track (twice). So man clashes with the Verstappen and so few penalties and you think the other divers are the ones forgetting they have to share the track. Max and Ocon are a danger to everyone.
He was bang on the money.... should have been dealt with 2021
It's interesting that Toto was very careful in his opinion. Seems like he didn't want to upset Max. I wonder why 🤭
Russell won the race...so Toto would hardly be complaining!
F1 could be about to become funny again. Like 2021.
I've been saying this for a decade now, when max entered the sport. To beat Verstappen, you have to let him wreck you. Drive your line, don't give him a single inch, and he'll end both of your races right there. Max will consistently wreck enough that he will face consequences or learn that he can not race you the way he does currently. He is the only one that drives this way his whole career and everyone pretty much puts up with it. When someone is the first to give you disrespect, you then have to equal that amount to continue being respectful. Clearly no one ever did this to Max on track in his karting days, whether that's because of his pace or what ever the reason. The fact he carried into formula cars is scary but, even worse it went on as long as it has.
To elaborate on 'let him wreck you':
You move to the inside for a dive-bomb (as DRS lets you), if he swipes in front of you and slams the brakes where you either rear end him, or evade and stay behind, ram him. He didn't have to cut you off dangerously.
Like he did here in Austria (multiple times) and loves to do as a defense of turning back into you when going into a corner, just pin him to the smallest entry angle and let him out drive himself into you.
I'll gladly take 24 DNFs a season from him when I guarantee he DNFs with me.
40 years ago he would have gotten a soap sock for the shit he has pulled.
Of course it's Max's fault because if you look at the standings there's 81 points between Max and Lando for 1st place. Lando was a shoe-in to win the Austrian GP which would have closed the gap from 81 pts to 56 pts. Max didn't and doesn't want anyone that close to toppling him from 1st place. This was a dirty deed on Max's part and once again Max plays dirty to get ahead. He pulled something similar with Charles back in carting days and Max was at fault then too. I would love to see Lando win the Silverstone GP and Max come in 4th. In addition, I don't think the grid penalty is enough. We have all seen Max get away with other incidents and I honestly think that Max should have gotten disqualified or dnf + the 10 second grid penalty.
Norris learning that having the fastest car doesn't mean the other cars just fall off the track in front of you.
9:25 exactly, I think Max’s main weakness is that he expects everyone else he is racing to ultimately not push the limit as much as himself which isn’t how this works/ Max is never willing to be the one to back down which won’t sustain itself in the long term
Especially now considering how safe the cars have become. You can understand guys balking in similar situations like this against guys like Senna in those older cars but now with how much safer these are? You weigh that risk vs reward and I don’t think many guys are gonna be too concerned this generation of car.
I don't understand how max fans are able to argue with this one how they not admitting max moves under breaking
Because there isn't a single shred of evidence to back up Norris' claims?
*Impatience & poor decision making from Lando sending it around the outside*
Go back & watch Max vs Sainz Lap 26 of Austria 2023.
Sainz moves under braking, Max backs off, puts his wheel 'off track'
Uses DRS to pass on the next straight for a clean overtake.
Your view points are always balanced and impartial.
Thanks for your refreshing content!
100% what Stella said. Max literally violated the "Verstappen rule." The penalty for Norris was ridiculous: track limits for .5 sec = 5 sec penalty, vs. taking another driver out of the race = 10 seconds. Needs to be variable penalty up to 30 seconds if you take someone out. Lap after lap Max was doing things on over over the line: moving after the other driver commits, etc. And yes, this never was fully handled after the Lewis comings together, and only now has Max really had any competition years later.
ok that's new, because I saw the race and i hear Max got 10 sec penalty. i must be miss something
dont forget Alosno got 20 sec penalty for "driving slowly". FIA is joke🤣🤣🤣
5 second penalty for leaving the track 4 times*
@@srinathshettigar379 i believe it's on Herbert, i mean Alonso repeatly makes Herbert goes burned himself 🤣🤣🤣
Lewis who went on to win the 2021 Silverstone GP punted Max into a barrier destroyed his car and put him into hospital, yet he only got a 10 second penalty so stop whinging and whining about penalties kid 💀
Max has never admitted fault for anything ever in racing. Complete child. Genius driver, but not an adult or a sportsman. Not that he cares.
Poor parenting?
Textbook narcissism.
literally no driver ever says it's their fault .. it's a hard sport and humans don't have 360 degree eyes.. yall are so dumb
‘Either I win or I take you out…’
Based. Imagine letting losers like norrif win...
That's how Dale Earnhardt got 76 wins. He made it very clear "I will crash myself out of second to crash you out of first. Or, let me slide on by you can keep second.". That's how you get the nickname The intimidator.
@@phukfone8428that’s the exact same mentality I have when I’m racing I would much rather wreck myself fighting for the win then finish 2nd
That saying could easily be about Norris too 🤣 its not like he was racing fairly either
Similar to Senna no? The guy who mclaren made a livery for.
Exactly what F1 needs after Max crushing the field for 3 years. This incident would never have happened if Norris got his 5 second penalty for exceedin track limits
He only got that after the race. Norris knows now how difficult it will be to beat Max if he did not before. That tangle was 50/50 imo.
Pete Windsor explained it perfectly. Max was in front and had the inside, why would he have to change his line for lando behind him? There was plenty of space. If the stewards were quicker on landos penalty then none of this would have happened. And let's not forget lando literally pushed Max onto the grass last week
He closed the door mate under braking. Don't be naive! 100% Max at fault for the eventual collision in Austria.
Stella is telling the truth.
Stella sounded pathetic
@@Lars-rj9en I think the other drivers should take turns wrecking Max out over the next 12 races for the good of the sport..
@@hwilmore I think every other driver on the road take turns at driving into you... oh wait that's attempted murder
@@garbage2882@garbage2882 I didn't say anything about harming anyone; you did, agent.
If this is going to be like watching two gamer mates fall-out over who wins and who doesn’t - I do think Max is more mentally resilient to be able to handle it in all honesty. He seems to have a detachment from the track that Norris doesn’t have - even though they both can become extremely animated and emotional when it’s not going well
I think Stella was spot on. We can't sit back and deny this anymore. Max doesn't race clean when properly challenged. It's not even a discussion
Yep and Max has been driving dangerously for years yet always got away with it
Neither does Hamilton for that matter.
@@sebking4508 at what point did I mention hamilton
@@dylanc3852yeah you missed it
Ohh and Lando was clean racing when he had multiple track limit infringements? 😂😂
You both need to watch the entire footage from all angles. Norris caused the collision. Max was middle track, leaving norris the inside or outside, Norris collided with max's left rear tire straight away. Then footage is shown of max's car muscleing Norris to the left as Norris comes alongside, at that point Max's car was out of control from the puncture. Not only was this a racing incident, but get off Max. If anyone was to blame more in my opinion, it was Norris. I like both of those guys, but watch the entire footage from all angles before you jump on Max.
love to see everyone is fired up and has their own opinions, good season
Now Norris knows how Hamilton felt back in 2021
Yeah and back then Lando didn’t seem to care
Hope Lando is normal person and won't try to kill Verstappen in Silverstone like Hamilton tried
@@jsac3939because he wasn’t racing him
no, he hasnt sent max going 50gs into a wall yet
I’m just glad that black guy did not even touch the WDC trophy
Just like with Lewis, welcome Lando fans. Now you will see that we weren’t just complaining. On a good note, at least Max considers Lando a threat now.
Really? How about you go back and look at how many incidents Hamilton has had since 2021. (Hint, it's in the double digits) This is only Verstappen's second. Before Verstappen, everyone used to complain about Hamilton being the most aggressive driver and not giving an inch. It really doesn't matter who you root for, there's always going to be something.
@@n.b.5258 Verstappen hasn’t been getting in any incidents because that Red Bull has been so dominant, he hasn’t had to battle
@@n.b.5258 so you're literally blind I'm assuming if you think this was only the second time Max has done this
@@valerierodger False. Through the first half of 2022 he was fighting LeClerc, and behind in points for most of that period. It wasn't until after Spa (which was after the summer break that year) that he started winning without much challenge. He's been fighting Norris since Miami this year without incident until today.
@@kityhawk2000 No, I just don't pick out incidents to try and paint a driver as something he's not. The facts are what they are.
So wait wait one minute. So Lando will lose respect for Max cause of the way he raced him today? Max raced Lewis like this in ‘21 and Lando was a Max fanboy back then, so what happened? Oh I get it it’s ok he does it to the guy that was winning all the time in Lewis, but since you want to start winning races now, Max is a dirty driver?? I didn’t see anything different in Max’s racing today compared to ‘21 against Lewis. The double standards in this sport are amazing!! No one had anything to say publicly in way of support for Lewis with the way Max raced him, but have a lot to say when it’s Lando, including himself. Next time speak up for the right thing to happen, even if it’s against someone else or someone you’re envious of!!
It's really not that deep.
Are you fukking high? No one had anything to say when it was Lewis???? Were you even there in '21? You couldn't get a word in edgewise against the chorus of British pundits calling Max the literal fucking Antichrist over how he raced Lulu.
Did you even watch the video? Noris only says Max lose a lot of his respect when he said he did nothing wrong, not because of how he raced.
I think Max had a brain freeze and quit thinking completely. But I place a large part if the blame on the officials. Norris had been black and white flagged for track limits and then went off again. All race long the officials were quick to issue their rulings but not on Norris. He should have had a 10 second penalty and it should have been handed down quickly. Had that been the case, Max would have let him go and stayed in touch. There was no way Norris could have pulled a 10 second lead in the remaing laps.
There was room enough for lando honestly,and the British media is literally doing propaganda by blaming max and only max ,it is a racing incident
Ironically when alex brundle said max was already focused on making the corner and looking at the apex, probably not expecting lando to be on the outside, and buxton laughed at him, brundle was right as leclerc took the exact same line in 2019 as max did, the only difference being max backing off before trying again later on.
Also norris didn’t have a point the first time as max didn’t move, he chose a line and kept to it… hence no penalty!
Norris was behind, the same situation happened between Leclerc and Max. Max was sensible, Norris knew he was getting the penalty he was doing exactly what he wanted to make Max do something which would get him penalty or cause an issue. Max was ahead, following the racing line and of course he has the right to be on the racing line and get an angle for turning. Blaming this on Max is stupidity and an agenda.
Norris literally got the black and white flag for 4 track limit violations. Norris was being too aggressive for many laps beforehand.
Max should have let him pass, stick with Lando as Lando got leaving the track penalty. FIA came too late with Norris his penalty, its fia again.
All the greats race in that grey area. Not saying I love it. That is just the way has always been.
Let's be very clear: There is negative 100% change a bunch of Brits are going to be honest about this Norris divebomb bonanza. The situation is not at all clear since Norris had no reasonable expectation to be able to overtake anyone on the outside when he doesn't start overtaking until the apex. Listen to Peter Windsor before responding, please.
A leopard never changes his spots. Stella is 100% correct.
This just shows why Red Bull will never put a competitive driver alongside Max
Because Baby 👶 Max
Good point. That’s sad to watch this happen. I think this is unfair calculating thousands of people paying expensive tickets trying to see a true race, a true winner.
You don’t have to be a pro driver to discover how all the racing cars are running on different paces. The only way that you could “win “is crashing with the “ leader” if you have a chance, like happened in this ra😅😊ce.
Couldn't handle Ricciardo at Baku or Hungary. Just a sociopathic mentality!
@@mikespearwood3914 it was actually Sainz who was his biggest competitor.. not RIC.
My opinion is this….. MAX should have let him by. The RBs DRS is so powerful he would have got back around and had the advantage. The team totally messed up not telling Max about the 5 seconds penalty Lando had. That was a blatant turn into the McLaren. No other way to call it. Yes something’s Max does that before making a turn to get rotation but that is a bs excuse max. Come on…. I have a feeling with the Updates Lando looks good this coming weekend. It’s going be interesting next weekend 😊
Norris pushed Max out the lap before, tried to bully him again and lost.
yeah not only did he turn into contact and away from the corner, but he turned into him again after contact. wasn’t his best display of race craft….
BS. If Max should’ve let him pass, F1 should also not be a competitive sport.
@@DreamOfFlying your not getting my point…. If you a smart driver and know your DRS is powerful witch THE RB IS. You got to play it smart let him pass , force him to make a mistake and make the pass. With the drs and the draft he would have got Lando easy. No question the DRS IS SO SO POWERFUL on the RB20.
He was thinking in the moment witch most anyone would do but if you the driver everyone thank you are you know when to pick your fights.
I don’t like to say it, but just like Lewis would’ve done….. I rest my case.
RB didn't know Lando was getting a 5s penalty, that penalty was only announced after the race. Also, the onboard of Max shows him keeping the steering wheel absolutely straight when he supposedly turned into Lando.
These interviews are so silly. Look at the first still image at 7 seconds of Verstappen and Norris side by side and then at the next still image at 10 seconds of Verstappen slightly ahead. Edd Straw has the cheek to say "nowhere for Norris to go". What nonsense - he had so much space he could have been driving an Oshkosh truck and there would still be space left before there was nowhere to go.
I appreciate that the British fans/press/experts will support their men but FFS, dont just make stuff up to support your argument.
Telemetry shows Verstappen did NOT move to the left, but that piece of track has a slight bend on the edge, i.e. it's an optical illusion. Ask Peter Windsor, he can confirm. But I guess if you want something to be true, you just parrot it often enough.
Got that best driver Heineken ad whilst watching this
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@@redbullsauberpetronassupport the content creators
Yeah, me too. The irony.
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Look, guys, it was either this or Jos was handing Max 5 finger penalties back in the paddock. 🤷♂️
What are five finger penalties…
@@scottmeredith3359a slap
@@scottmeredith3359 Well, seeing as Jos is a menace and was absolutely an abusive individual to Max during his childhood, I'd say that would be a spanking/paddling.
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I think Max and Lando were both right. Landos early moves were ridiculous, Max’s responses were not great either. Lando did dive to the outside after trying the inside the time before. I think to penalise a driver for defending isn’t right, Max needed to swing wide to make the corner. Lando could have moved a little wider as he had room.
Racing incident.
However, the steward situation is RIDICULOUS
Stella and the whiners need to f'off. If we sanatize driving to the extend mentioned we'd never have had Shumacher, Senna, Hamilton, or many of the other champions. Let them RACE!! Max is nothing different, or has done nothing different then other drivers did in order to win. Champions have done worst things before to win a race or a championship. And it has created memories we'll never forget. It makes the sport. Do we really want to destroy that? This was a racing incident, and it was also the highlight of the season so far, dont f'ing whine about it, this is what we want to see. This is 2021, in 2024, these rivalry's shape the most memorable seasons in history. MORE plz!!
There is a lot of tension while they are sitting in the car driving at those insane speeds. Even Alonso was recently penalized for dive bombing someone. Those things happens and it is very easy to criticize sitting on a comfortable chair, watching the replays a hundred times from different angles to make a judgment.
Wbat about making the judgement whatching only once, from the drivers' view point?
In addition, I think discussing their friendship is completely off bounds.