I always think makers of the show hated actual hurrem sultana. First they show hurrem sort of a gold digger instead of someone who had no other way to survive but gaining power , then they made mahi haseki which was completely wrong and downplaying power of actual haseki , then turning all harem women against her which literally put a question on her leadership skills and political tactics in harem , also showing that she mercilessly got mustafa killed when it is just rumors and speculations because of her being a rival and most frustrating making her daughter, the most powerful ottoman princess , into a pathetic and needy woman who just thinks highly of herself. It also shows that whatever goodness they showed in hurrem in show is simply because she is the protagonist and people like her character. The thinking that hurrem was a "witch" instead of a "politically sound woman" is still strong in turks I guess .
@@bassplayer5366 Coz the director asked her to do so. In real life, she was "Mahidevran Hatun". You can see that on her grave in Bursa even today. "Sultan" was only for Blood Princesses. But Süleyman made an exception only for Hürrem. He freed her, married her, and made her the first ever Empress of The Ottoman Empire. Everyone bowed to her after the marriage, including Süleyman's sisters.
@@mg-cx5tvits amazing how foreigners are now making this assumption of her as a strong leader shying away from previous rumours that she was a witch, but turks themselves are still being backwards and sticking to old traditions
Rewatching this scene, it is beyond my comprehension how Nigar could fall for a swine like Ibrahim in the first place. I've always thought that dude needed anger management.
I don't think anger management would of helped him one bit! He would have to want to get control of his anger issues and get to the bottom of what caused those issues and I always get the impression Ibrahim enjoys venting his anger on those that can't fight back!
Exactly, women then and even now an easy target . even in the bollywood movie thappad , man didn't say anything to his friends and relatives when they were trying to calm him but slapped his wife easily when she tried . not only this but didn't even care to beg for forgiveness but to the person he was trying to fight with because he was his senior. He thought it is completely ok to slap his wife and even that in front of everyone and behave like nothing happened , shows how much we are still same .
Honestly, if a pregnant woman almost gets poisoned to death and in front of the Sultan. Something is very wrong, the fault is with everyone to some degree. As a Kalfa she is supposed to keep tabs on the concubines. Ibrahim was very much aware of the favorism and sneaky behavior in the harem, he wasn’t having any of it. Not only this, the other concubine was killed which made it even more obvious.
Whenever I feel sorry for Mahidevran's character, I watch this scene and realize again that everything that happened to her, she deserved. How cruel does one have to be to try to poison a pregnant woman? Heinous.
Except, Suleiman didn't need to be told-he was able to guess even with Ibrahim's silence. He decided to keep Mahidevran in the palace regardless for Mustafa's sake, which is a big part of why I don't really like this arc. The sense of it breaks down the longer it pans out.
How true!!! But Mahidevran has him too twisted in her schemes of things .. & he begins to see Mustafa as a continuation of his rule ,of his post .Ibrahim calculated tht Suleyiman wasn't going to live long and Mustafa coming of age 18 or more .. following the Ottomon tradition wud kill or overthrow Suleyiman ..nothing surprising given their lineage . So Ibrahim is prepared to lead Mustafa to kill his own father & so is Mahidevran and she tells Mustafa time & again whenever Suleyiman falls ill that Mustafa must be prepared to kill Hurrem & her sons the moment Suleyiman dies . And Suleyiman is soooo stupid for an Emperor tht he keeps listening to the dumb words of his stupid mother who got him a woman who will kill her son for the empire . Even when Mahidevran sends poison ,Vahlide cannot get herself to banish Mahidevran or even Suleyiman doesn't behead tht witch even thou she deserves it ..irrelevant of her rants of unreturned love or her pain of living alone or always remaining a slave never getting married to Suleyiman SENDING POISON TO A SULTAN'S TABLE WAS MORE THAN A REASON FOR HER TO BE PUBLICLY BEHEADED AND EVEN IBRAHIM FOR PROTECTING MAHIDEVRAN. Mahidevran poisons her own life plus everything and everyone in it ..jus cause her hate/jealousy for hurrem consumes her . All the more a reason for Sultan to punish her ..yet he stupidity never does ...and his own sons pay a price for it. ☘
@@SB-dk1myplus if my daughter in law would send poison at the table of my son ( and he don't deserve it ) I would have kill her myself and here valide was supporting her . the only time valide went against mahi was when she overheard her taking control of harem by mustafa's coronation if sultan died .
This episode clearly shows that How mentally ill Mahidevran was and she made mustafa evil with her evil thoughts, she fed her evil thoughts in Mustafa's head. Mahidevaran was evil
Hurrem was crying when mustafa died and mahidevran is so happy thinking that hurrem and her son have died .also she herself killed mehmet and laughed, no repentance..she should have been killed first
Also hurrem killed mustafa as a move of politics ( not justifying just explaining) just like mustafa said that he would kill hurrem and rustem if he would come into power but mahi killed mehmet simply because he was son of hurrem , suleiman loved him and to hurt hurrem .
Mahidevaran killed Hurrem's Elder son Mehmed by infecting plague which completely unnoticed by hurrem, Mehmed once saved Mahidevarn's son Mustafa. It is so sad.
Alas this foolish women, I don't understand they said smart intelligent & good looking woman b with sultan with that rule how mahi became the sultana she deserves to b a normal slave (brainless beauty)
Hurrem tries to shield Mehmet from Mahidevran's & Mustafa ,she thinks if he stays away from politics he will thrive and sooner or later when he gets his own state ,he can come to power . But she pays a price for keeping Mehmet shielded, he trusts his friends blindly and assumes no friend wants to harm him..or Mahidevran wudnt get to his friends. In this because Mihiriham sees women politics upfront and is caught in middle of her father's affair with Feroze ,she grows up faster . But she is headstrong and tries to do things 'her' way which causes Hurrem her 1st grandchild which wud ve propelled Hurrem & her whole family into more favorable terms with Sultan Suleyiman. But Mihiriham gets iit aborted . Sad!!! ☘ Edit: in today's times a surrogacy wud ve given Hurrem her 1st grandchild and kept her family intact and well. ☘
It was the same EVERY WHERE... even in other Kingdoms . When one studies history one realizes wherever ine turns the rules were simple ,the royals had to be flattered as most 'intelligent' or most 'oretty' or most 'virile ' etc Jealousy ran high in both genders . ☘
They killed those who was lover than them. In history of old times those who were punished for masters' crimes were servants, even if they're innocent. I'm currently reading about Chinese culture - there it was even more cruel. The servants were beaten to death instead of masters/mistresses. That's why good masters always tried to save their loyal servants, but there were exceptions too. Plus, poor people who served, some of them were threatened by the lives of their family to do evil things
Hurrem learns the hard way ,her team is what keeps her alive and well-informed. And keeps only loyal people around her ,she has a knack for spotting a snake from miles ,thts why her team is kept happy as she rewards them financially / Posts at every turn . ☘
@@SB-dk1mythose who were at survival or seeking for their survival always wins but those who r up to win win and always want to win actually who lacks
It's because Ibrahim is sly and ambitious.if anything should happen to Suleiman Mustafa would automatically become the Sultan and Ibrahim would become his main adviser and other higher titles
Because Ibrahim would have been able to control Mustafa and rule through him, but if any of Hürrem's children would inherit the throne, then he wouldn't be able to control them because she would have been by their side.
Because Mustafa was the most obvious successor to the throne at the time, so he wanted to remain close to him and his mother. If Ibrahim was smarter, he would have tried to stay as neutral as possible and strictly looked after Sueliman's interests instead of being so clearly biased. In that case, there wouldn't have been any question of his loyalty later and Hurrem probably wouldn't have felt so compelled to go after him once she started giving birth to children. She had no disputes with Bali Bey when he took over Ibrahim's position because she knew he was unbiased.
@@nicolettetallmadge3254funny but he wasn't like that in real life. All his rivalry with Hurrem are just rumors, that spread after their deaths. The reason why he was executed (official reason) is because of embezzled money of palace funds. It was even recorded in historical documents. But he was really mysterious figure
this is why I rejoice when Hurrem got rid of them one by one...... she wasn't ruthless but they taught her to be and the student surpassed the teachers.
Suleiman knew that ibrahim would do anything to give mustafa throne. And mustafa was ibrahim's puppet that's why he was loyal to mahidevran. That's why ibrahim was killed suleiman was very cunning
Он защищал своё будущее. Даже, будучи только хранителем покоев, он вёл себя слишком властно, высокомерно. Бели бей, когда получил эту должность, вёл себя намного сдержаннее и скромнее, не позволяя себе такого высокомерия.
Ibrahim deserves what he got. Why not do what he did Nigar to Mahidevran...Mahidevran deserves everything that came to her. They know what to cover up and exposed.
The most important reason he doesn't is because mahidevran is the sultans woman. Regardless if she isn't the favorite anymore Ibrahim can't just choke and throw her around lol he can only do that to servants and those below him silly.
@@mcrose9067 Of course Ibrahim couldn't choke Mahidevran, but that's not why he chose to protect her in the end. He chose to protect her because he saw Mustafa as the next sultan and wanted to be in both his and his mother's good graces. So in a way, he was protecting his own interests instead of Suleiman's. Contrast that with how in later episodes Bali Bey handled things. He investigated and never tried to hide who the culprits were because he knew his main loyalty was supposed to be to Suleiman.
Not completely innocent, she did out poison on the food regardless if she just thought it would make hurrem sick, she still poisoned her. I thought she was stupid, what did she think gulsah was going to do when she heard she was going to tell them everything. What a stupid move on her part.
They don't respect many facts for the sake of drama and 'creative license'. For example, the Valide Sultana, Hatice, and Sah Huban all got along with Hurrem and treated everyone fairly, yet were made into villains in the show, and by the time Suleiman became the Sultan, Hatice was a widow with at least 4 children and never married Ibrahim, so I wouldn't expect them to respect historical accuracy.
I have a question: I know that even some people who liver under Suleiman could qualify Hurrem to Russia, but Ruthenia was from Poland. So why does they refer Hurrem as a Russian?
Many reasons. They could just do it to goad her, the slavers said Russia, the ones saying it could just not care, also in the scene that she’s taken it says her father was an orthodox priest. Maybe her little village was Russian immigrants? (At least for this show. I’m sure in real life it wasn’t like this.)
@@thebigw3651 It could be an explanation for the show. But I remember read a poetess who live under Suleiman and qualify Hurrem of "Russian" winch it was wrong :(
Yes . This is where Suleiman was truly done with Mahidevran and seriously started to doubt his besties regard for him and loyalty. He was not happy at all that he was being taken for a total idiot who wouldn't be able to see the obvious of exactly who was behind Hurrem being poisoned and then even more upset that his best friend Ibrahim would be so deceptive to him to protect Mahidevran which meant he couldn't be trusted . Ibrahim didn't do himself any favors in not taking Suleiman's veiled warning that he should be careful in being disloyal to him in being so loyal to Mahidevran who was not and never would be in his favor again and changing course.
Mahidevran should’ve taken ibrahims advice here, she should’ve focused on raising Mustafa to become an unchallenged leader one loved and praised by the empire. Essentially forge an opponent hurrem couldn’t win against, Mustafa is the crown prince and automatically gains claim to the throne which she could’ve used to get back at hurrem
There was nothing like a crown Prince. The Ottoman’s did not follow that method. They continued to believe in the strongest prince wining the throne even if it meant fratricide.
When a female like Mahidevran is jealous there's NO logic in there venom ..which invariably consumes them . She loses Mustafa, the post in the palace yet she never really lets go of the jealousy.
Restrain the Hasecki! If Mahidrevan was restrained before now, there would not be any evil deeds against Hurrem!! Mahidrevan needs a straight jacket!!!
Poor Nigar (And it seems to me anyway) that Ibriham forced himself on her (through no choice of hers being he is a mean old narcissistic man!) first by choking her at the beginning And he only fights with old men who can’t fight back and or women who are much weaker …as he is a complete angel I. Front of the Sultan
😂 It was never the case in those times. Don't judge old times by our modern times' rules. That was different, and he had all the rights to treat servants and all who had lover rank than him this way when questioning them. The crime they were investigating was punishable by death
How true!!! But Mahidevran has him too twisted in her schemes of things .. & he begins to see Mustafa as a continuation of his rule ,of his post .Ibrahim calculated tht Suleyiman wasn't going to live long and Mustafa coming of age 18 or more .. following the Ottomon tradition wud kill or overthrow Suleyiman ..nothing surprising given their lineage . So Ibrahim is prepared to lead Mustafa to kill his own father & so is Mahidevran and she tells Mustafa time & again whenever Suleyiman falls ill that Mustafa must be prepared to kill Hurrem & her sons the moment Suleyiman dies . And Suleyiman is soooo stupid for an Emperor tht he keeps listening to the dumb words of his stupid mother who got him a woman who will kill her son for the empire . Even when Mahidevran sends poison ,Vahlide cannot get herself to banish Mahidevran or even Suleyiman doesn't behead tht witch even thou she deserves it ..irrelevant of her rants of unreturned love or her pain of living alone or always remaining a slave never getting married to Suleyiman SENDING POISON TO A SULTAN'S TABLE WAS MORE THAN A REASON FOR HER TO BE PUBLICLY BEHEADED AND EVEN IBRAHIM FOR PROTECTING MAHIDEVRAN. Mahidevran poisons her own life plus everything and everyone in it ..jus cause her hate/jealousy for hurrem consumes her . All the more a reason for Sultan to punish her ..yet he stupidity never does ...and Hurrem keeps paying a price for his indecisive actions ,his stupid connection with his mother and then his own sons pay a price for his stupidity, his friendship with Ibrahim. ☘ It was so soul-satisfying to see the shock on Vahlide 's face when she learns Mahidevran plans to kill her & Suleyiman to get Mustafa crowned as Sultan & herself as Vahlide. That was the best 'Pay-back'...u nurture a snake..sooner or later it will bite u. Vahlide shields Mahidevran & fans her jealousy/hatred towards Hurrem and in return Mahidevran wants Vahlide outta way for her 'total' revenge on Hurrem. Like Vahlide never mattered ,wasnt of any importance. Like Nobody mattered only her own importance and her own feelings of revenge and hate ☘☘☘
Sigh Mahidevran. If she had put her jealousy aside and focused on properly surviving.. i dont think she would have ended up so badly in this drama. She was too focused on showing up Hurrem and plotting.
Mahidevran never realized how much the Sultan cared about her. He kept trying with her and forgiving her but she lost every opportunity to stay in his good graces.
Sultana ya karena masih adek nya raja sulaiman dan wanita yang melahirkan anak dari seorang raja. Mknya perempuan2 lain yang ada di harem itu adalah budak yg di beli dari luar. Seorang raja sebenarnya tidak boleh menikahi budaknya. Cuma di sini hurrem lah satu2 nya budak raja yg di bebaskan dan di nikahi dlm cerita kerajaan Turkey 🇹🇷 Jadi nyawa perempuan atau yang lain ga da harga nya di banding keturunan raja2 nya.
Raja yang membuat aturan… Kesultanan Utsmaniyah adalah salah satu negara terkuat di dunia, imperium multinasional dan multibahasa yang mengendalikan sebagian besar Eropa Tenggara, Asia Barat/Kaukasus, Afrika Utara, dan Tanduk Afrika. Jadi apapun ucapan raja keturunan nya adalah aturan.
It's so false how they portrayed Mahi in this show. She was never that stupid to directly send the poison to Sultan's table. Also, all of Sultan's concubines were smart enough to follow the rules and never start a riot or do something inappropriate. Of course, there were exceptions, as like Hurrem's beating. But they were rare
Hurem is evil..all this crab about love is just an obsession..the end justying the means and it's Haram.. Nothing Islamic about this devilish hurem..getting the sultan under her thumb..that love is not real
Ibrahim has signed his death warrant. His loyalty is not with the Sultan but the woman who’s so bitter she has driven herself crazy. Ibrahim is a snake 🐍
28:37 This line has it all... No arguments. Mahidevran knewed that the way Suleiman is falling for hurrem will lead to a catastrophe of dynasty in future. She knew that he will forget all the rules and he will forget his own brain and will work under hurrems brain. We can clearly see in between the serial suleiman broke dynasty rules for hurrem and that at the end of the serial hurrem finally made Suleiman kill Mustafa because he considered him a threat to himself and a threat to his childern from Moreover, the exact same things were done by Hurrem whenever Suleiman.had a new concubine. This is survival instinct, the only thing mahide ran was weak at was emotions. Thats why she couldn't win over hurrem .
Mahidevran was such a pathetic character (in the serial). She thought herself better than anyone else, she only respected the people she could get something out of and most of all she went around plotting and scheaming her pathetic little scheams, which all faild, and then she acted like the victim when she got the blow back. In this scene Ibrahim tried to gently make her realise her mistakes and that SHE pushed the sultan away with her stupid behavior, but it went right over her head. She immediately found a justification! People like these drive me crazy!
I feel sorry for Ibrahim. Had he not met mahidevran earlier and promised her to protect Mustafa and herself, he would have probably lived a happy life. He made 2 mistakes - making hurrem his enemy and cheating on hatice
Mahidevran is a criminal....dia layak mendapatkan balasan dg penderitaannya....dia sdh melakukan pembunuhan di awal....meracuni hureem dan calon bayi nya....kmd dia bbrpkali mencoba membunuh hurrem...dan pd akhirnya dia mbunuh Memed....tp dia menyalahkan bahkan merasa paling menderita ketika mustofa dibunuh...dan menyatakan hurrem penjahat seakan2 dia tdk peenah melakukam dosa
This is why Ibrahim deserved to be punished, as the highest in Suleiman's office his only loyalty is to the sultan. When he covered for Mahi, he commitment treasonous act. Also if Valide sultan had been managing the harem properly and not shown favoritism, as well as tought her daughters that their loyalty is always with their brother all this strife could have been avoided. These girls were very young, kidnapped and sold in to a completely different land and culture, mostly none of them were educated, and their well-being depended on the whim of one man. If they were not chosen there was little luxury and comfort, and they had to work hard to have basic necessities
She was never his wife, she was Bas Kadin - his favorite woman when he was just a prince. But he had more than 17 women in his harem when was in Manisa, and she was among them. Plus, she was never Haseki, nor Sultan
Mahidevran was never Haseki. Such a title never existed until Suleiman created for Hürrem after marrying her. Hürrem was the first holder of the title
I always think makers of the show hated actual hurrem sultana. First they show hurrem sort of a gold digger instead of someone who had no other way to survive but gaining power , then they made mahi haseki which was completely wrong and downplaying power of actual haseki , then turning all harem women against her which literally put a question on her leadership skills and political tactics in harem , also showing that she mercilessly got mustafa killed when it is just rumors and speculations because of her being a rival and most frustrating making her daughter, the most powerful ottoman princess , into a pathetic and needy woman who just thinks highly of herself.
It also shows that whatever goodness they showed in hurrem in show is simply because she is the protagonist and people like her character. The thinking that hurrem was a "witch" instead of a "politically sound woman" is still strong in turks I guess .
Why did mahidevran acted like above hurem after the valide sulatana passed away? Even though suleiman married hurem..
@@bassplayer5366 Coz the director asked her to do so. In real life, she was "Mahidevran Hatun". You can see that on her grave in Bursa even today. "Sultan" was only for Blood Princesses. But Süleyman made an exception only for Hürrem. He freed her, married her, and made her the first ever Empress of The Ottoman Empire. Everyone bowed to her after the marriage, including Süleyman's sisters.
@@mg-cx5tvits amazing how foreigners are now making this assumption of her as a strong leader shying away from previous rumours that she was a witch, but turks themselves are still being backwards and sticking to old traditions
Rewatching this scene, it is beyond my comprehension how Nigar could fall for a swine like Ibrahim in the first place. I've always thought that dude needed anger management.
Anger management at least. He is kind of a sociopath, and she has Stockholm's syndrome.
I don't think anger management would of helped him one bit! He would have to want to get control of his anger issues and get to the bottom of what caused those issues and I always get the impression Ibrahim enjoys venting his anger on those that can't fight back!
Even from the ancient times envious people already excist and it's a very bad
@@celticprincess2002that's why I think he lowkey enjoys the challenge hurrem poses to him...
Well, the producers had a lot of ideas and phantasy for more drama.
Ibrahim,s screaming at everyone, who is "below him." What a sign of weakniss ,but hitting women, what a bullying coward
Exactly, women then and even now an easy target . even in the bollywood movie thappad , man didn't say anything to his friends and relatives when they were trying to calm him but slapped his wife easily when she tried . not only this but didn't even care to beg for forgiveness but to the person he was trying to fight with because he was his senior. He thought it is completely ok to slap his wife and even that in front of everyone and behave like nothing happened , shows how much we are still same .
We feel that now - in those times it was completely acceptable.
By that logic everyone is weak, even sah is weak she can't raise her voice against valide or Suleiman
@@iconicsolos1234 you turned the logic around. Ibrahim is weak BECAUSE he screams . Instead of using reason.
Honestly, if a pregnant woman almost gets poisoned to death and in front of the Sultan. Something is very wrong, the fault is with everyone to some degree. As a Kalfa she is supposed to keep tabs on the concubines. Ibrahim was very much aware of the favorism and sneaky behavior in the harem, he wasn’t having any of it. Not only this, the other concubine was killed which made it even more obvious.
Whenever I feel sorry for Mahidevran's character, I watch this scene and realize again that everything that happened to her, she deserved. How cruel does one have to be to try to poison a pregnant woman? Heinous.
Dreadful jealous woman! Ugh!
Idk if this unborn baby was a direct threat to your son as to ascend the throne they have to kill each other maybe u would too in that time
Hurrem stole the man that Mahidevran loved, is Mahidevran supposed to be happy of Hurrem's pregnancy?
Mahi deserve all the bad things happened to her
@@juliaevans2375 lol somebody forgetting that Mahi literally stole Suleiman from Gulfem
had ibrahim told the truth here, the whole timeline would have been different and he probably wouldn't have ended up the way he did
Except, Suleiman didn't need to be told-he was able to guess even with Ibrahim's silence. He decided to keep Mahidevran in the palace regardless for Mustafa's sake, which is a big part of why I don't really like this arc. The sense of it breaks down the longer it pans out.
How true!!!
But Mahidevran has him too twisted in her schemes of things .. & he begins to see Mustafa as a continuation of his rule ,of his post .Ibrahim calculated tht Suleyiman wasn't going to live long and Mustafa coming of age 18 or more .. following the Ottomon tradition wud kill or overthrow Suleyiman ..nothing surprising given their lineage .
So Ibrahim is prepared to lead Mustafa to kill his own father & so is Mahidevran and she tells Mustafa time & again whenever Suleyiman falls ill that Mustafa must be prepared to kill Hurrem & her sons the moment Suleyiman dies .
And Suleyiman is soooo stupid for an Emperor tht he keeps listening to the dumb words of his stupid mother who got him a woman who will kill her son for the empire .
Even when Mahidevran sends poison ,Vahlide cannot get herself to banish Mahidevran or even Suleyiman doesn't behead tht witch even thou she deserves it ..irrelevant of her rants of unreturned love or her pain of living alone or always remaining a slave never getting married to Suleyiman SENDING POISON TO A SULTAN'S TABLE WAS MORE THAN A REASON FOR HER TO BE PUBLICLY BEHEADED AND EVEN IBRAHIM FOR PROTECTING MAHIDEVRAN.
Mahidevran poisons her own life plus everything and everyone in it ..jus cause her hate/jealousy for hurrem consumes her .
All the more a reason for Sultan to punish her ..yet he stupidity never does ...and his own sons pay a price for it.
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@@SB-dk1myplus if my daughter in law would send poison at the table of my son ( and he don't deserve it ) I would have kill her myself and here valide was supporting her . the only time valide went against mahi was when she overheard her taking control of harem by mustafa's coronation if sultan died .
Yes, but Sultan knew Iibrahim didn't come forward and tell him
This episode clearly shows that How mentally ill Mahidevran was and she made mustafa evil with her evil thoughts, she fed her evil thoughts in Mustafa's head. Mahidevaran was evil
How could Nigar fall in love with Ibrahim after he treated her like this.
unfortunately many people fall in love - or stay in love - with their abusers
@@courtneym75 yes I know its so sad she could have had anyone
Ikr
Same that's the reality hits me & blows my mind why she is madly in love with her with a abuser & total jerk person,
She's like ''harder daddy''
Hurrem was crying when mustafa died and mahidevran is so happy thinking that hurrem and her son have died .also she herself killed mehmet and laughed, no repentance..she should have been killed first
Also hurrem killed mustafa as a move of politics ( not justifying just explaining) just like mustafa said that he would kill hurrem and rustem if he would come into power but mahi killed mehmet simply because he was son of hurrem , suleiman loved him and to hurt hurrem .
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Then Some calling Hurrem as bad and evil when in fact its mahidevran and the people around made her. Its survival around the wolves.
But it didn't happen in real life
Mahidevaran killed Hurrem's Elder son Mehmed by infecting plague which completely unnoticed by hurrem, Mehmed once saved Mahidevarn's son Mustafa. It is so sad.
Alas this foolish women, I don't understand they said smart intelligent & good looking woman b with sultan with that rule how mahi became the sultana she deserves to b a normal slave (brainless beauty)
Mustafa also saved Mehmet when he was young and Selim
Hurrem tries to shield Mehmet from Mahidevran's & Mustafa ,she thinks if he stays away from politics he will thrive and sooner or later when he gets his own state ,he can come to power .
But she pays a price for keeping Mehmet shielded, he trusts his friends blindly and assumes no friend wants to harm him..or Mahidevran wudnt get to his friends.
In this because Mihiriham sees women politics upfront and is caught in middle of her father's affair with Feroze ,she grows up faster .
But she is headstrong and tries to do things 'her' way which causes Hurrem her 1st grandchild which wud ve propelled Hurrem & her whole family into more favorable terms with Sultan Suleyiman.
But Mihiriham gets iit aborted .
Sad!!!
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Edit: in today's times a surrogacy wud ve given Hurrem her 1st grandchild and kept her family intact and well.
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If Mahidevran had gotten the punishment she deserved after this happened, the story would have changed in a big way.
That would have been a 10 episode show😂
She got the punishment in real life, but for another misdeed. This one never had happened
They killed lot of innocent girls like animals to cover their mistakes very pathetic
It was the same EVERY WHERE... even in other Kingdoms .
When one studies history one realizes wherever ine turns the rules were simple ,the royals had to be flattered as most 'intelligent' or most 'oretty' or most 'virile ' etc
Jealousy ran high in both genders .
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They killed those who was lover than them. In history of old times those who were punished for masters' crimes were servants, even if they're innocent. I'm currently reading about Chinese culture - there it was even more cruel. The servants were beaten to death instead of masters/mistresses. That's why good masters always tried to save their loyal servants, but there were exceptions too. Plus, poor people who served, some of them were threatened by the lives of their family to do evil things
Huge difference between hurem & mahi is, hurem saves her workers & mahi drown them to save her self thats why hurem always has good slaves..
Hurrem learns the hard way ,her team is what keeps her alive and well-informed. And keeps only loyal people around her ,she has a knack for spotting a snake from miles ,thts why her team is kept happy as she rewards them financially / Posts at every turn .
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@@SB-dk1my 👌👌
@Dreamfyre exactly
@@SB-dk1mythose who were at survival or seeking for their survival always wins but those who r up to win win and always want to win actually who lacks
If Ibrahim had been smart he would have befriended Hurrem instead talk about mistake. Why is he so invested in Mustafa its like he was his kid.
It's because Ibrahim is sly and ambitious.if anything should happen to Suleiman Mustafa would automatically become the Sultan and Ibrahim would become his main adviser and other higher titles
Because Ibrahim would have been able to control Mustafa and rule through him, but if any of Hürrem's children would inherit the throne, then he wouldn't be able to control them because she would have been by their side.
I have always wondered if Mustafa was his child. Ibrahim was always so interested in him. It gave me the creeps!
Because Mustafa was the most obvious successor to the throne at the time, so he wanted to remain close to him and his mother. If Ibrahim was smarter, he would have tried to stay as neutral as possible and strictly looked after Sueliman's interests instead of being so clearly biased. In that case, there wouldn't have been any question of his loyalty later and Hurrem probably wouldn't have felt so compelled to go after him once she started giving birth to children. She had no disputes with Bali Bey when he took over Ibrahim's position because she knew he was unbiased.
@@nicolettetallmadge3254funny but he wasn't like that in real life. All his rivalry with Hurrem are just rumors, that spread after their deaths. The reason why he was executed (official reason) is because of embezzled money of palace funds. It was even recorded in historical documents. But he was really mysterious figure
this is why I rejoice when Hurrem got rid of them one by one...... she wasn't ruthless but they taught her to be and the student surpassed the teachers.
She always goes unpunished.
Gulsha really loved mahi but mahideran only treat her as Notting
Yes, she was truly loyal to her, that's so sad
Above all I Ibrahim was loyal to Mahidevran not to Suleiman. If he had been loyal to Suleiman then Ibrahim would have told him the truth!!!
Suleiman knew that ibrahim would do anything to give mustafa throne. And mustafa was ibrahim's puppet that's why he was loyal to mahidevran. That's why ibrahim was killed suleiman was very cunning
Mahidevran is crazy! She says " how could you? " Are you not the one that instructed gulsah to shut her up? She is phenomenon
Ibrahim was a monster from the beginning
So is Gulsha doing everything for Mahidevran
Он защищал своё будущее. Даже, будучи только хранителем покоев, он вёл себя слишком властно, высокомерно. Бели бей, когда получил эту должность, вёл себя намного сдержаннее и скромнее, не позволяя себе такого высокомерия.
Ibrahim deserves what he got. Why not do what he did Nigar to Mahidevran...Mahidevran deserves everything that came to her. They know what to cover up and exposed.
The most important reason he doesn't is because mahidevran is the sultans woman. Regardless if she isn't the favorite anymore Ibrahim can't just choke and throw her around lol he can only do that to servants and those below him silly.
@@mcrose9067 Of course Ibrahim couldn't choke Mahidevran, but that's not why he chose to protect her in the end. He chose to protect her because he saw Mustafa as the next sultan and wanted to be in both his and his mother's good graces. So in a way, he was protecting his own interests instead of Suleiman's. Contrast that with how in later episodes Bali Bey handled things. He investigated and never tried to hide who the culprits were because he knew his main loyalty was supposed to be to Suleiman.
I fel so sorry for Hasibe, she was innocent
Not completely innocent, she did out poison on the food regardless if she just thought it would make hurrem sick, she still poisoned her. I thought she was stupid, what did she think gulsah was going to do when she heard she was going to tell them everything. What a stupid move on her part.
She put a substance in food being served at the sultans table. She is as guilty as they come.
not really she was stupid..... so very stupid.... but you can't fix stupid
This start to get on my nerves, Hurrem was the very first Haseki sultana 😠😠😠 even if it's just a film but they should respect some facts
They don't respect many facts for the sake of drama and 'creative license'. For example, the Valide Sultana, Hatice, and Sah Huban all got along with Hurrem and treated everyone fairly, yet were made into villains in the show, and by the time Suleiman became the Sultan, Hatice was a widow with at least 4 children and never married Ibrahim, so I wouldn't expect them to respect historical accuracy.
And Suleiman did nothing to mahidevil and Ibrahim... Sad
There is no prooof that mahideviran was evil.
@@ahmadyounas7372 there is we see it
@@ahmadyounas7372 😂😂😂😂
Mahidevil:) good one 😈
And people say he was forgiving to hurrem only 😂
Hurrem was the 1st Haseki Sultana
Mahideran is really something putting on the blame on her servant
That was the rule of old times - servants always got more severe punishment that their masters
I have a question: I know that even some people who liver under Suleiman could qualify Hurrem to Russia, but Ruthenia was from Poland. So why does they refer Hurrem as a Russian?
I think because Poland was under Russian rule?
@@xxelizabellexx6620 Yes it could be that... Thank you :)
@@xxelizabellexx6620 no it wasn't
Many reasons. They could just do it to goad her, the slavers said Russia, the ones saying it could just not care, also in the scene that she’s taken it says her father was an orthodox priest. Maybe her little village was Russian immigrants? (At least for this show. I’m sure in real life it wasn’t like this.)
@@thebigw3651 It could be an explanation for the show. But I remember read a poetess who live under Suleiman and qualify Hurrem of "Russian" winch it was wrong :(
17:17 The downfall of Ibrahim started alongwith Mahidevran
Yes . This is where Suleiman was truly done with Mahidevran and seriously started to doubt his besties regard for him and loyalty. He was not happy at all that he was being taken for a total idiot who wouldn't be able to see the obvious of exactly who was behind Hurrem being poisoned and then even more upset that his best friend Ibrahim would be so deceptive to him to protect Mahidevran which meant he couldn't be trusted . Ibrahim didn't do himself any favors in not taking Suleiman's veiled warning that he should be careful in being disloyal to him in being so loyal to Mahidevran who was not and never would be in his favor again and changing course.
mahidevran did so many things and she never got punished for it. I'm glad that in the end she lost and hurrem won
Daye always covered for Mahidevran as long as Mother Sultana approved.
Mahidevran should’ve taken ibrahims advice here, she should’ve focused on raising Mustafa to become an unchallenged leader one loved and praised by the empire. Essentially forge an opponent hurrem couldn’t win against, Mustafa is the crown prince and automatically gains claim to the throne which she could’ve used to get back at hurrem
There was nothing like a crown Prince. The Ottoman’s did not follow that method. They continued to believe in the strongest prince wining the throne even if it meant fratricide.
When a female like Mahidevran is jealous there's NO logic in there venom ..which invariably consumes them .
She loses Mustafa, the post in the palace yet she never really lets go of the jealousy.
21:00 The pretty 👘gown/robe/backdrop/scenery are incredible. Hatuns Date And Gulsah are also fantastic 🎭🎬📽️actors, indeed, thank 🤙you ❗❕❗❕
Restrain the Hasecki! If Mahidrevan was restrained before now, there would not be any evil deeds against Hurrem!! Mahidrevan needs a straight jacket!!!
Whatever evil befall on Ibrahim and Mahidevran is a result of their own evil deeds.
Poor Nigar (And it seems to me anyway) that Ibriham forced himself on her (through no choice of hers being he is a mean old narcissistic man!) first by choking her at the beginning And he only fights with old men who can’t fight back and or women who are much weaker …as he is a complete angel I. Front of the Sultan
Ibrahim needs to be imprisoned, and stripped of his duties/titles/fortune, for attempted murder, and the threat of murder, of another human being.
😂 It was never the case in those times. Don't judge old times by our modern times' rules. That was different, and he had all the rights to treat servants and all who had lover rank than him this way when questioning them. The crime they were investigating was punishable by death
Are we supposed to believe that the sultan and Hurrem can be heard laughing that clearly but they can’t hear Ibrahim and mahidivan talking?
Ibrahim should tell the truth. To his majesty, he is a lierar
Starting to thr Gulsha was a serial killer with how often and ready she was to kill someone
How true!!!
But Mahidevran has him too twisted in her schemes of things .. & he begins to see Mustafa as a continuation of his rule ,of his post .Ibrahim calculated tht Suleyiman wasn't going to live long and Mustafa coming of age 18 or more .. following the Ottomon tradition wud kill or overthrow Suleyiman ..nothing surprising given their lineage .
So Ibrahim is prepared to lead Mustafa to kill his own father & so is Mahidevran and she tells Mustafa time & again whenever Suleyiman falls ill that Mustafa must be prepared to kill Hurrem & her sons the moment Suleyiman dies .
And Suleyiman is soooo stupid for an Emperor tht he keeps listening to the dumb words of his stupid mother who got him a woman who will kill her son for the empire .
Even when Mahidevran sends poison ,Vahlide cannot get herself to banish Mahidevran or even Suleyiman doesn't behead tht witch even thou she deserves it ..irrelevant of her rants of unreturned love or her pain of living alone or always remaining a slave never getting married to Suleyiman SENDING POISON TO A SULTAN'S TABLE WAS MORE THAN A REASON FOR HER TO BE PUBLICLY BEHEADED AND EVEN IBRAHIM FOR PROTECTING MAHIDEVRAN.
Mahidevran poisons her own life plus everything and everyone in it ..jus cause her hate/jealousy for hurrem consumes her .
All the more a reason for Sultan to punish her ..yet he stupidity never does ...and Hurrem keeps paying a price for his indecisive actions ,his stupid connection with his mother and then his own sons pay a price for his stupidity, his friendship with Ibrahim.
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It was so soul-satisfying to see the shock on Vahlide 's face when she learns Mahidevran plans to kill her & Suleyiman to get Mustafa crowned as Sultan & herself as Vahlide.
That was the best 'Pay-back'...u nurture a snake..sooner or later it will bite u.
Vahlide shields Mahidevran & fans her jealousy/hatred towards Hurrem and in return Mahidevran wants Vahlide outta way for her 'total' revenge on Hurrem.
Like Vahlide never mattered ,wasnt of any importance. Like Nobody mattered only her own importance and her own feelings of revenge and hate
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Very well written! ❤
Nothing but facts written here.👏👏👏
Well said and thought out
Sigh Mahidevran. If she had put her jealousy aside and focused on properly surviving.. i dont think she would have ended up so badly in this drama. She was too focused on showing up Hurrem and plotting.
Who gives help, help will take back.Who gives poison hidding back to others, poison and puniscment will take back.
Cannot get over this show. Watching again
Ibrahim is a bully
Valide Sultan didn't even reprimand Mahidevran privately..she was indeed partial Because of hurrem 's attitude her hatred towards her
Daye Hatun covered for guilty people too
Mahidevran never realized how much the Sultan cared about her. He kept trying with her and forgiving her but she lost every opportunity to stay in his good graces.
She is so whiney
emangnya siapa sih para sultana ini, sampe2 bisa kebal hukum dan seakan-akan nyawanya jauh lebih berharga dibanding semua orang di dunia ini
Sultana ya karena masih adek nya raja sulaiman dan wanita yang melahirkan anak dari seorang raja. Mknya perempuan2 lain yang ada di harem itu adalah budak yg di beli dari luar. Seorang raja sebenarnya tidak boleh menikahi budaknya. Cuma di sini hurrem lah satu2 nya budak raja yg di bebaskan dan di nikahi dlm cerita kerajaan Turkey 🇹🇷 Jadi nyawa perempuan atau yang lain ga da harga nya di banding keturunan raja2 nya.
Raja yang membuat aturan… Kesultanan Utsmaniyah adalah salah satu negara terkuat di dunia, imperium multinasional dan multibahasa yang mengendalikan sebagian besar Eropa Tenggara, Asia Barat/Kaukasus, Afrika Utara, dan Tanduk Afrika. Jadi apapun ucapan raja keturunan nya adalah aturan.
Mahidevran planted the seeds for Mustafa’s eventual execution !
It's so false how they portrayed Mahi in this show. She was never that stupid to directly send the poison to Sultan's table. Also, all of Sultan's concubines were smart enough to follow the rules and never start a riot or do something inappropriate. Of course, there were exceptions, as like Hurrem's beating. But they were rare
0:28 n she loves him 0:36 or the way 0:42 0:43 he bits him 0:52
how did suleyman know who poisoned hurrem, ibrahahim did not tell him beginning of ibraham treachury
The slaps in these series r very enjoyable
And yet he forgave her every single time she did something.
26:40 The laughter, 🤠🤓😹😸😀😃😆🤣HAHAHAHA, to add 🤴👸"Their Happiness" 🤗🥳to her misery, 🤩😏😊☺️LOL....
that's why mahidevran can't be sultan legal wife bcuz his cunning and evil deed to hurrem and sons.
It's hurem who tried to kill mahideram from the very beginning..tried to.poison Mustapha too but not successful
Hurem also succumbed to black.msgic to control the sultan and everyone..she is known for that and the Queen mother's knows about it
Hurem is evil..all this crab about love is just an obsession..the end justying the means and it's Haram..
Nothing Islamic about this devilish hurem..getting the sultan under her thumb..that love is not real
Ibrahim has signed his death warrant. His loyalty is not with the Sultan but the woman who’s so bitter she has driven herself crazy. Ibrahim is a snake 🐍
And when mahideveran saves mehmet from the water only to kill him later
Mahideveran was definitely evil woman
28:37
This line has it all... No arguments.
Mahidevran knewed that the way Suleiman is falling for hurrem will lead to a catastrophe of dynasty in future. She knew that he will forget all the rules and he will forget his own brain and will work under hurrems brain. We can clearly see in between the serial suleiman broke dynasty rules for hurrem and that at the end of the serial hurrem finally made Suleiman kill Mustafa because he considered him a threat to himself and a threat to his childern from Moreover, the exact same things were done by Hurrem whenever Suleiman.had a new concubine. This is survival instinct, the only thing mahide ran was weak at was emotions. Thats why she couldn't win over hurrem .
Once again proved, sultan is no fool😅😅😅😅
I love valide mother
Mahidevran was such a pathetic character (in the serial). She thought herself better than anyone else, she only respected the people she could get something out of and most of all she went around plotting and scheaming her pathetic little scheams, which all faild, and then she acted like the victim when she got the blow back. In this scene Ibrahim tried to gently make her realise her mistakes and that SHE pushed the sultan away with her stupid behavior, but it went right over her head. She immediately found a justification!
People like these drive me crazy!
Conniving Gulsha.
Happy family??? Are you kidding me?????
I feel sorry for Ibrahim. Had he not met mahidevran earlier and promised her to protect Mustafa and herself, he would have probably lived a happy life. He made 2 mistakes - making hurrem his enemy and cheating on hatice
Poor Hasibe.😂
Mahi got punishment for her whole life and she deserves
Mahidevran is a criminal....dia layak mendapatkan balasan dg penderitaannya....dia sdh melakukan pembunuhan di awal....meracuni hureem dan calon bayi nya....kmd dia bbrpkali mencoba membunuh hurrem...dan pd akhirnya dia mbunuh Memed....tp dia menyalahkan bahkan merasa paling menderita ketika mustofa dibunuh...dan menyatakan hurrem penjahat seakan2 dia tdk peenah melakukam dosa
This is why Ibrahim deserved to be punished, as the highest in Suleiman's office his only loyalty is to the sultan. When he covered for Mahi, he commitment treasonous act. Also if Valide sultan had been managing the harem properly and not shown favoritism, as well as tought her daughters that their loyalty is always with their brother all this strife could have been avoided. These girls were very young, kidnapped and sold in to a completely different land and culture, mostly none of them were educated, and their well-being depended on the whim of one man. If they were not chosen there was little luxury and comfort, and they had to work hard to have basic necessities
I hate hurrem she just came btw husband and wife
Hurrem was a very respectable woman in real life, dedicated her life to charity. Be respectful
They were all slaves in the harem, Suleyman never married mahideveran.
She was never his wife, she was Bas Kadin - his favorite woman when he was just a prince. But he had more than 17 women in his harem when was in Manisa, and she was among them. Plus, she was never Haseki, nor Sultan
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Mahi got punishment for her whole life and she deserves