4:57 That's what I thought. No wonder that is a great pedal from DW, but I had to choose the Iron Cobras. They have lasted for more than 11 years and without having to replace any single part, the consistency is god like. Been playing 4-5 hours 7 days a week to this day. Absolutely love the Iron Cobras.
It never happens and isn't supposed to happen if you're playing correctly. DW9000 has some compromises because it is mechanically magnificent, more than user friendly.
Just want to add a correction. The pearl red line pedal. The foot board can be adjusted with out moving the beater angle. I own the 2052c double pedal and love them
I played the 5000 for 25 years but switched recently to the Yamaha F9 and find it absolutely superb. I typically don't like over-engineered pedals but this one's an exception because it's just so well made and exceptionally easy to adjust.
The description of the DW9000 is completely wrong. The tension spring is placed directly onto the cam because it allows to transfer the energy directly to the beater. Not to be protected from the hardware. This is the only pedal on the market with such a technology, that's why it is so unique and smooth.
This guy is basically just reading the brochure for each pedal. You can move the chain on the 5000 to adjust the pedal height independent of the beater angle on all 4 models. It's not as easy as the 9000, you have to pull the master link and push the pin out but it can be done.
Ive had a Pearl Eliminator for almost 20 years now, really like it. the footboard height can be adjusted independently though. You adjust the chain above the cam, it slides back and forth a little bit, maybe not as far as some others though. Thinking about the new Tama Iron Cobra 900 pedal though and retiring my old Eliminator.
One thing I'd like review/comparison videos to discuss more often is the replaceability of parts. One thing I look for in a pedal is durability, or rather, consistency through time. Many footboards become a little loose horizontally after a few years of use. Typically, the main hinge, between footboard and heel plate, will acquire some level of mechanical play. Some pedals allow for ajustement/re-tightening of this hinge, others won't and will require changing parts if you want to go back to the original "new" feel. Which ones would allow me to do that the easiest, i.e., either tighten up loose parts or replace them altogether? That's the question I'd like to see addressed.
Tama pedals are just the best for my foot and playing. Used to have dw 9000 doubles and never felt comfortable with them and too much nonsense. Bought the speed cobra double pedals and immediately I knew these were it. Also bought the iron cobra doubles as my backup pedals and those are just as comfortable. Tama all day.
I have size 13 shoes and the Speed Cobras footboard is just about perfect length. By far the best pedal Ive used yet. Was so fast compared to my other pedals it took awhile to learn to control it. Now it feels perfect. I installed the Cobra Coils and like it even better.
I'm staying with my 78 phonic pedal and the small tab Speed King. But I now know how the bass pedal has evolved since I bought these. Very informative video.
The Falcon truly has more options than the Eliminator. Two cams, two traction options, optional direct drive system, beater weight, beater in-between distance (which I never saw in any other pedal). The spring tension, beater distance and footboard height (that is "infinite", instead of the few positions of the Eliminator) are just standard configurations.
Yeah, I haven't played with the settings on my Falcons all that much, but they seem to be infinitely adjustable, over almost all these other pedals. He glossed over it like it wasn't worth talking about.
Yes, you can adjust footboard independently the beater, it has 3 positions os footboard angle. And this is not a longboard pedal, the adjustment at the footboard back and forward is for let the pedal stronger or lighter. 🥁👍🏻 Please read the instructions to understand these adjustments
10 ago, after a while with some Pearl Pedals, I switched to Axis - or in Germany „A“ Pedal…I was very impressed and I loved these things! Expensive but outstanding!
I tried the fp9 direct drive but ended up returning it for a backup eliminator redline. The fp9 had a lot of play in the heel plate, I love Yamaha drums but I just never have liked their pedals.
I learned to play fast on a no name pos pedal as a kid practicing for hours. I have a $99 PDP double pedal now since 2008. I clean lube and take care of it every single gig .I play some blistering double bass here and there and do 3 1 hour sets. Save your $$ on the marketing hype and PRACTICE.
Yes that is Great advice. I only upgrade if i try out a piece of equipment that truly makes a big difference to my playing ;which is rare ,and I’m able to save money that way.
I upgraded to a 310 Tama Speed Cobra double from the same PDP pedal. Much smoother, faster, and sturdier. I generally like low priced options but the Speed Cobra is worth it. Feels like an extension of my foot, a feeling I never had with the PDP.
nice review! i had own 3 of the list, Eliminator, Iron Cobra 900 and now im using Yamaha FP9500, sometimes with the surface is too smooth it's difficult to play some tunes of my band (Newen Afrobeat), having no grip especially so i'm thinking going back to Iron cobra 900 or Eliminator.
I use DFP9500 (direct drive) from Yamaha, the pedal works ok, however its a bit noisy, and needs constant maintenance(tightening of screws) from time to time.
something must be wrong with your pedal. I've been using it for 9 years and not a single screw loosening or noise. And in 9 years i just cleaned the dirt and oiled the bearings just once.
Thanks for this exhaustive video! Good work! I play a basic Pearl 830 pedal for most single pedal gigs, because it’s lightweight and I get to gigs on public transport. For double pedal, a Pearl 930 (I think) still pretty basic and lightweight compared to say the DW5000.
I use DW5000 and for me is top tier. And if you upgrade it with the canoplus ball bearing you have a simpler 9000! Good video. Do the same with HiHat Stands!
I play a Tama Speed King pedal but recently went to a jam session and played someone's older, single chain, DW 5000 unit and it felt better to me. I think the longer board on my Speed King doesn't benefit my playing style in the same way the DW 5000 does. I'm not going to get rid of my Tama pedal because it is really great in many ways but I have been thinking more about picking up a standard, shorter board pedal like the Sonor Perfect Balance, the DW 5000, or the Yamaha FP9.
@@aleksandaroutdoor If you want the most underrated pedal get the Falcon PF1000, it`s perfectly balanced and measured and for me addresses all the issues with the other pedals. So far i had the Iron Cobra 900, Speed Cobra 310, PF1000 Falcon which i sold, then Speed Cobra 910, Yamaha FP9, DW 4000, Tamburo 600 and after all these i always liked the Mapex, it`s really well engineered at a great price.
@@bishopoftroy yes i igree man.I bought iron cobra hp 600 and lt's a good pedal but it's not for me at all.At the moment when I was buying a pedal there was an option also Mapex 810 and I chose iron cobra.Now I just wondering about Mapex 810 or falcon.How,Thomann sells Mapex 810 just for 175 euros.But after you said this I will take Mapex falcon and I am done with this.Thank you man🤘🤘🤘
@@aleksandaroutdoor But don`t take my word for it, it is just my preference. If you have the possibility go and try them in a music store. I don`t know how the 810 feels but for me the Falcon is really a pro level pedal. One thing to be careful with the Falcon is not to tighten the clamp super hard. For some people it broke, i don`t know really how, i`m at the second pedal and i didn`t have this issue but i`m also not abusing the clamp, just tight it until it stays on. Best of luck!
@@bishopoftroy I heard about clamp problems.If this is only problem than I'm ok with that.I am gonna pay attention about a clamp and I hope everything will be fine.Thank you bro for sharing your experience and giving advices.
Ive had heavy experience with DW double kicks and Tama Iron Cobra double kicks and of the 2 I'd go with the iron cobras every time. The dw gear-driven drive is actually a heavy design flaw imo, because in my personal experience those gears that the chain attaches to, start to grind and wear down to nubs basically ruining the flow of the stroke of the beater. Tama iron cobras dont have this issue at all and are much more durable longer lasting.
I had two Falcons and none broke. I know about the issue but i think some people put all of their strength to lock the pedal which is never a good idea. You don`t even need to tighten that much to get it sit well.
I used to have the Iron Cobras, great pedals, currently i have the demon drives, great pedals but used to have issues controlling them. I tried the Pearl Eliminators and loved them, i really want to try Axis and speed cobra.
@@ThomannsDrumBash extreme metal most of the time, but I used to play a lot of blues and funk. I try to learn every style possible but im not going to lie, drumming is hard for me, i struggle a lot.
This is a great comparison video, however i must say that you've missed many Tama features. I was expecting for the removable spring, the pivot and others.
For every pedal where you say the footboard angle and beater angle cannot be adjusted independently, you are incorrect 😞 On all of these, the place where strap/chain attached to the cam can be adjusted. You move the attachment point forward or backward along the cam. This adjusts the footboard height independent of the beater angle. So the order of operations is (1) set the beater angle (2) set the footboard angle. It's not the most convenient of processes, but it is anything but absent.
simply because we planed the video when the delivery time of the pedal was around 5-7weeks. At first we included it in our research but since it wasn't in stock, we had to skip it:(
@@philippleuser5421 may I ask what would you recommend? The Mapex PF1000TW Falcon , the Dixon PP-PCPD1D, or the Sonor 4000 series double pedals? They are all around the same price. (Im also eyeing with the eliminators, although they are a bit pricier)
@@galgogergoI used to have that pedal on my old kit, this time around I got the demon drive. If you haven't gotten one yet, definitely hold off for the eliminator. I'd probably go for the falcon between those 2 tho.
4:57 That's what I thought. No wonder that is a great pedal from DW, but I had to choose the Iron Cobras. They have lasted for more than 11 years and without having to replace any single part, the consistency is god like. Been playing 4-5 hours 7 days a week to this day. Absolutely love the Iron Cobras.
It never happens and isn't supposed to happen if you're playing correctly. DW9000 has some compromises because it is mechanically magnificent, more than user friendly.
Just want to add a correction. The pearl red line pedal. The foot board can be adjusted with out moving the beater angle. I own the 2052c double pedal and love them
I played the 5000 for 25 years but switched recently to the Yamaha F9 and find it absolutely superb. I typically don't like over-engineered pedals but this one's an exception because it's just so well made and exceptionally easy to adjust.
It`s good that you got rid of the overpriced one.
very good comparison! i play tama iron cobra hp 900p since 22 years! never break anything ....top gear!
I mainly use the Pearl Demon Chain and the Pearl Eliminator Redline! 😍
All are really nice pedals, but I’ll take the Eliminator all day long and twice on Sundays. Phenomenal video!
The description of the DW9000 is completely wrong. The tension spring is placed directly onto the cam because it allows to transfer the energy directly to the beater. Not to be protected from the hardware. This is the only pedal on the market with such a technology, that's why it is so unique and smooth.
Correct and thanks for the comment, I love my 9000 best pedal I've ever played !
This guy is basically just reading the brochure for each pedal. You can move the chain on the 5000 to adjust the pedal height independent of the beater angle on all 4 models. It's not as easy as the 9000, you have to pull the master link and push the pin out but it can be done.
Ive had a Pearl Eliminator for almost 20 years now, really like it. the footboard height can be adjusted independently though. You adjust the chain above the cam, it slides back and forth a little bit, maybe not as far as some others though.
Thinking about the new Tama Iron Cobra 900 pedal though and retiring my old Eliminator.
One thing I'd like review/comparison videos to discuss more often is the replaceability of parts. One thing I look for in a pedal is durability, or rather, consistency through time. Many footboards become a little loose horizontally after a few years of use. Typically, the main hinge, between footboard and heel plate, will acquire some level of mechanical play. Some pedals allow for ajustement/re-tightening of this hinge, others won't and will require changing parts if you want to go back to the original "new" feel. Which ones would allow me to do that the easiest, i.e., either tighten up loose parts or replace them altogether? That's the question I'd like to see addressed.
Tama pedals are just the best for my foot and playing. Used to have dw 9000 doubles and never felt comfortable with them and too much nonsense. Bought the speed cobra double pedals and immediately I knew these were it. Also bought the iron cobra doubles as my backup pedals and those are just as comfortable. Tama all day.
I have size 13 shoes and the Speed Cobras footboard is just about perfect length. By far the best pedal Ive used yet. Was so fast compared to my other pedals it took awhile to learn to control it. Now it feels perfect. I installed the Cobra Coils and like it even better.
I'm staying with my 78 phonic pedal and the small tab Speed King. But I now know how the bass pedal has evolved since I bought these.
Very informative video.
The Falcon truly has more options than the Eliminator. Two cams, two traction options, optional direct drive system, beater weight, beater in-between distance (which I never saw in any other pedal). The spring tension, beater distance and footboard height (that is "infinite", instead of the few positions of the Eliminator) are just standard configurations.
Yeah, I haven't played with the settings on my Falcons all that much, but they seem to be infinitely adjustable, over almost all these other pedals. He glossed over it like it wasn't worth talking about.
Yes, you can adjust footboard independently the beater, it has 3 positions os footboard angle. And this is not a longboard pedal, the adjustment at the footboard back and forward is for let the pedal stronger or lighter. 🥁👍🏻
Please read the instructions to understand these adjustments
10 ago, after a while with some Pearl Pedals, I switched to Axis - or in Germany „A“ Pedal…I was very impressed and I loved these things! Expensive but outstanding!
I have an eliminator and you. An adjust the heater angle separately from the footboard.
Otherwise great video!
I like the Tama Speed Cobras best
Nice review! Would like to have seen the Tama Dyna-Sync included at the hi end.
Pearl Eliminator is my favourite but I must say Sonor pedals are amazing yet simple
Agreed
On the Yamaha FP9, you can only use one weight at a time. The second weight will fly off in short order. It even says it in the instruction manual.
Agree ! I Have the Double Bass version of the FP9C and it's so true. 2 weights and 1 will fly, or 2 in my case ! lollll
I tried the fp9 direct drive but ended up returning it for a backup eliminator redline. The fp9 had a lot of play in the heel plate, I love Yamaha drums but I just never have liked their pedals.
I use Pearl Elimintor since they came out and still using it without any complaint
I wish all pedals had the ability to fold flat like the Perfect Balance. Would make transporting so much easier!
I learned to play fast on a no name pos pedal as a kid practicing for hours. I have a $99 PDP double pedal now since 2008. I clean lube and take care of it every single gig .I play some blistering double bass here and there and do 3 1 hour sets. Save your $$ on the marketing hype and PRACTICE.
Yes that is Great advice. I only upgrade if i try out a piece of equipment that truly makes a big difference to my playing ;which is rare ,and I’m able to save money that way.
I upgraded to a 310 Tama Speed Cobra double from the same PDP pedal. Much smoother, faster, and sturdier. I generally like low priced options but the Speed Cobra is worth it. Feels like an extension of my foot, a feeling I never had with the PDP.
nice review! i had own 3 of the list, Eliminator, Iron Cobra 900 and now im using Yamaha FP9500, sometimes with the surface is too smooth it's difficult to play some tunes of my band (Newen Afrobeat), having no grip especially so i'm thinking going back to Iron cobra 900 or Eliminator.
I use DFP9500 (direct drive) from Yamaha, the pedal works ok, however its a bit noisy, and needs constant maintenance(tightening of screws) from time to time.
something must be wrong with your pedal. I've been using it for 9 years and not a single screw loosening or noise. And in 9 years i just cleaned the dirt and oiled the bearings just once.
I really like my Tama 310 Speed Cobra dbl. Very fast and smooth. And I like them even better with the Cobra Coils that I just installed.
For me the best pedal ever made on the planet is the Tama Iron Cobra HP900
on DW5000 you can adjust footplate hight but more work but it is possible. Nice video
Thanks for this exhaustive video! Good work! I play a basic Pearl 830 pedal for most single pedal gigs, because it’s lightweight and I get to gigs on public transport. For double pedal, a Pearl 930 (I think) still pretty basic and lightweight compared to say the DW5000.
Hey Jonas. Thanks for the comment, it really is an advantage if a pdeal is lightweight when playing lots of gigs. In which band are you drumming?
I use DW5000 and for me is top tier. And if you upgrade it with the canoplus ball bearing you have a simpler 9000!
Good video. Do the same with HiHat Stands!
I play a Tama Speed King pedal but recently went to a jam session and played someone's older, single chain, DW 5000 unit and it felt better to me. I think the longer board on my Speed King doesn't benefit my playing style in the same way the DW 5000 does. I'm not going to get rid of my Tama pedal because it is really great in many ways but I have been thinking more about picking up a standard, shorter board pedal like the Sonor Perfect Balance, the DW 5000, or the Yamaha FP9.
Yamaha FP9 is a longer footboard. You should check out the Iron Cobra. It's very similar to the DW5000.
at the moment iam playing on a very old and bad pedal but in some years i will buy the yamaha dfp9d
Excellent video. What do you think about Pearl P930?
great video!!! thank you!
I have the Mapex Armory double pedal but really want to try the Falcon and Demon drive double pedals.
Hi man,what do you think about armory 810 pedal?
@@aleksandaroutdoor If you want the most underrated pedal get the Falcon PF1000, it`s perfectly balanced and measured and for me addresses all the issues with the other pedals. So far i had the Iron Cobra 900, Speed Cobra 310, PF1000 Falcon which i sold, then Speed Cobra 910, Yamaha FP9, DW 4000, Tamburo 600 and after all these i always liked the Mapex, it`s really well engineered at a great price.
@@bishopoftroy yes i igree man.I bought iron cobra hp 600 and lt's a good pedal but it's not for me at all.At the moment when I was buying a pedal there was an option also Mapex 810 and I chose iron cobra.Now I just wondering about Mapex 810 or falcon.How,Thomann sells Mapex 810 just for 175 euros.But after you said this I will take Mapex falcon and I am done with this.Thank you man🤘🤘🤘
@@aleksandaroutdoor But don`t take my word for it, it is just my preference. If you have the possibility go and try them in a music store. I don`t know how the 810 feels but for me the Falcon is really a pro level pedal. One thing to be careful with the Falcon is not to tighten the clamp super hard. For some people it broke, i don`t know really how, i`m at the second pedal and i didn`t have this issue but i`m also not abusing the clamp, just tight it until it stays on. Best of luck!
@@bishopoftroy I heard about clamp problems.If this is only problem than I'm ok with that.I am gonna pay attention about a clamp and I hope everything will be fine.Thank you bro for sharing your experience and giving advices.
Ive had heavy experience with DW double kicks and Tama Iron Cobra double kicks and of the 2 I'd go with the iron cobras every time. The dw gear-driven drive is actually a heavy design flaw imo, because in my personal experience those gears that the chain attaches to, start to grind and wear down to nubs basically ruining the flow of the stroke of the beater. Tama iron cobras dont have this issue at all and are much more durable longer lasting.
Sonor SP 4000🥇
It isn't about the pedal... its the man Who plays it.
I have both Mapex Armoury & Falcon pedals
Unfortunately I have had both semi-break on me, from hoop clamps to footboard hinges 😢
I had two Falcons and none broke. I know about the issue but i think some people put all of their strength to lock the pedal which is never a good idea. You don`t even need to tighten that much to get it sit well.
can Iron Cobra 900 switch the cams for 2016 version?
Does anyone know any hood pedals or pedal adjustment angles or anything for double kick drumming?
I used to have the Iron Cobras, great pedals, currently i have the demon drives, great pedals but used to have issues controlling them. I tried the Pearl Eliminators and loved them, i really want to try Axis and speed cobra.
Right on! Sounds like you're a versatile drummer - which genres are you playing?
@@ThomannsDrumBash extreme metal most of the time, but I used to play a lot of blues and funk. I try to learn every style possible but im not going to lie, drumming is hard for me, i struggle a lot.
TAMA Iron Cobra Power Glide the best Pedal ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Where is the Speed King? The perfect design that is basically unchanged since the 50s. You will never look back after you get one.
I want to buy yamaha dfp 9C is this a good option ?...i am confused between dw9000 and yamaha fp9......please help bro....
You prob made a choice by now but I prefer the Yamaha. But not to worry if you got the 9000 either pedal can get the job done with practice.
The newer fp9 yam with the longer footboard.
This is a great comparison video, however i must say that you've missed many Tama features. I was expecting for the
removable spring, the pivot and others.
For every pedal where you say the footboard angle and beater angle cannot be adjusted independently, you are incorrect 😞 On all of these, the place where strap/chain attached to the cam can be adjusted. You move the attachment point forward or backward along the cam. This adjusts the footboard height independent of the beater angle. So the order of operations is (1) set the beater angle (2) set the footboard angle. It's not the most convenient of processes, but it is anything but absent.
Now, please be honest, Why did you skip over Ludwig ?
simply because we planed the video when the delivery time of the pedal was around 5-7weeks. At first we included it in our research but since it wasn't in stock, we had to skip it:(
@@philippleuser5421 may I ask what would you recommend? The Mapex PF1000TW Falcon , the Dixon PP-PCPD1D, or the Sonor 4000 series double pedals? They are all around the same price. (Im also eyeing with the eliminators, although they are a bit pricier)
@@galgogergo you should get the eliminator.
@@galgogergoI used to have that pedal on my old kit, this time around I got the demon drive.
If you haven't gotten one yet, definitely hold off for the eliminator. I'd probably go for the falcon between those 2 tho.
Watch this at 1,5 speed to not get a panic attack…
Il ludwing speed king numero one , forever !
Bonham fan?
Nah Dyna sync wrecks it