This game has some pretty strange performance situations. I have noticed that almost everyone with a 3090 experiences worst performance that those with lower end hardware. I expect this is a driver thing which will hopefully update. other things that I have noticed is random windows settings make large differences in this game as well as occulus headsets not performing well with the wrong settings. This game is capable of performing at 60 fps on my vega 64 and ryzen 2600 with 16 gb of ram. A lot of people have managed to get the game running well, however this has been known to have been extremely finicky. I mean some people are having to go into registry files while others are able to do things as simple as disabling game mode in the windows settings. Not to mention the TXAA in this game i kid you not will drop you 15-20 fps from FXAA with a very small drop in quality.
Thanks for sharing! I have been very surprised by the mixed experiences, and fixes for some not working for others. I have also heard about the 3000 series having a bug where they drop frames in vr for unlnown reasons, hopefully in a couple of months my experience will drastically change.
@@felipe96150 I mean that would help, but It isn't the main reason for the performance issues. Considering that people can get the performance pretty good, DX11 isn't the main issue. Though an upgrade to DX12 would help a lot. Right now performance loss is mostly due to bugs.
I'm running an rtx 2070 and get pretty good performance. never seen these broken screen artifacts. render scale is set to 100% on oculus q2. if flying in remote areas I bump it to render scale 130% and its smooth. 200% looks so good and scrips, but runs are like 8fps haha...
@@guybrushthreepwood3002 They did something to the game with the most recent update. The game now runs horrible for me aswell. But its glitchy now. it will run fine for about1-3 minutes and then I am down to less than 1 frame persecond. I am actually in the seconds perframe side of things. But if I restart my vr headset it goes right back up to good performance for a minute or 2 and then less than 1 fps. They messed something up big time with the most recent update. I mean even the way it lags is glitchy. Something is seriously wrong right now.
@@Shapar95 these simulation engines underneath are usually pretty old, single-threaded, or kind of fake it with a couple of single-threaded parts. It's not easy to write truly multi-threaded scalable simulations without completely throwing away what you already have and starting from scratch. Believe me, the lot of us are waiting for the truly multi-threaded DCS or FS. ;) But yeah, I'd also welcome DLSS too, because if it would not blur text, and give me a performance boost, then why not? ;)
@@FlorianSaling It needs better multi-threading, also a jump to DX12 would be a good idea to remove CPU dependencies. I guess if they want to port it to Xbox Series X as they said, they'll have to do a DX12 Ultimate update anyway.
I have no performance issues (8700k, rtx 3070, rift s) 32 fps over big cities with clouds (ultra clouds) that is amazing compared my x-plane experience, to be honest I was afraid about the performance but I am very positive surprised. I very welcome VR in FS2020 and its only in the beginning. Also some correct mentioned already check your settings, VR Flight Sim Guy gave some nice tips .Merry Christmas everyone.
Anyone else noticing what looks like random spikes in there scenery whilst flying since updating Ms2020?? They slowly disappear into the ground once you fly closer to them.
Thanks for the detailed review X-Check. The quality of your reviews will push Asobo to continue working on the VR side of FS2020. Pretty sure that in few weeks/months from now, this will be an amazing experience. Also, I agree 100% with what you said about DCS and the switch clicking madness of keeping our head straight. I tried DCS only twice in VR, but I noticed this on the spot ... which was a HUGE problem for me while trying to go thru many switches in complete complex applications.
Yep and lets not forget X-Plane performed like a dog in VR when it was released but now is fantastic so I'm sure many more improvements will come. Also the reprojection doesn't work well for me (OpenXR), I think if this can be sorted out or tools like OVR made available to keep frames more stable then reprojection might work better, at the moment the artifacts and wobble graphics ruin the experience and I just have to turn it off.
My experience is pretty good. I do see room for improvement, obviously, but MSFS is what it is because it uses all sorts of cutting edge tech (despite being only DX11 for now). The thing about VR is that you more or less have to render everything twice, so you're always going to get an FPS hit. That said, Asobo will probably manage to optimize things a bit more, but I'm not expecting miracles. MSFS just really has a lot going on onscreen and offscreen as well, and apparently it wasn't really made for VR. So I'm kindof surprised that they managed to make it work at all, albeit in a sometimes kind of clunky way (I have to recenter my VR cockpit cam every time I go back to VR, for instance). Compared to X-plane VR, I do get a slightly lower FPS, but with much more happening on screen. There are thousands of trees and buildings and grass and whatnot, and if something comparable would have to be rendered in X-plane, it would turn into a slideshow for sure! Here are a few things you can do to improve performance: 1: latest drivers for everything (mainly GPU) 2: Have nothing else running in the background that has no reason to be there. The sys tray should be as empty as possible. Mine just has an audio diver and something for my RGB keyboard, and that's it! Check in your taskbar to see if there's anything else taking up too much memory or processor time, and if there is, get rid of it! 3. Mess around with render scaling in the VR section of MSFS. Setting 80 should give a pretty smooth experience (on a Rift S at least) without compromising the visual quality too much.. 70 is almost acceptable as well. 4. To prevent motion sickness, make a weather preset which has NO WIND of any kind, nor turbulence. All this wobbling around is what's going to make you sick like a dog! 5. It helps to pick a relatively simple plane. The Piper Cub gave me excellent frame rates, as well as the Robin. Even the Carenado Mooney performs fine. Planes with more advanced systems and glass cockpits are going to be more demanding on your system and reduce FPS 6. Tinker around with the VR Graphics settings in MSFS. Start with really low settings, and then reintroduce more stuff until you find a balance that works for you. 7. Make sure that Gaming mode in Windows is OFF. Also make sure that hardware Accelerated Scheduling in Windows Graphics settings is OFF. These settings are known to potentially really compromise your performance.
This is a really good summary and matches my experience as well. It's funny, when I first started it I thought it was horrible but after tuning it up I'm loving it. Big Xplane fan but MSFS is starting to win me over.
You need to lower your resolution to get good fps. I have a 6700K and 1080gtx and get smooth fps on medium and high settings when using my original Oculus Rift. Why? Because my resolution is at 80%. Also, as long as you can turn your head without judder, you do not need to have 90fps, especially with ASW turned on. And anyway, VR is blurry by default. It's part and parcel of where today's tech level is. It is not the same as using a 4K screen. My first impression, especially given my lower specs (compared to new PCs), is that VR is amazing so long as your expectations are reasonable.
Future meta-lens or pancake lens (instead of fresnels) will improve the clarity in VR device...For the moment, the VR experience has still some flaws, but stay greatly immersive
I'm on a 3900x and gtx1080, and 16gb ram on an Index. My performance sounded a lot like the video. The graphics had to be so low that it was no longer beautiful or worth playing for me. The cockpit was unreadable, the VR zoom was annoying, Clouds looked very jagged and overall the performance was pretty abysmal. I play DCS for hours on end without getting sick but msfs 2020 also made me very sick after just 1 hour. It's possible I didn't tweak settings very good but i can't imagine any fix will give me enough frames to be on par with DCS's sub par performance.
@@Uollie I read that the latest Nvidia driver's have caused performance issues for people using the Valve Index headsets. Therefore, I think it might be the driver that is causing the abysmal performance. Not sure yet if there are new drivers but I reckon this might be the issue and worth checking.
@@Steve31000 Ah really... I'll definitely be looking into a settings guide next time I try to run it. I'm also hoping I can get my hands on a 3070 before then so I can have more headroom. Appreciate the heads up.
This is a bug in the nvidia drivers on the new 3000 series cards. Not msfs2020 www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/game-ready-drivers/13/402768/valve-index-missing-dropped-frames-since-nvidia-d/ it's affecting all headsets. Read the post and upvote as not everyone is aware.
@@XCHECK yeah, I’ve hung my headset up for now. It’s really annoying. Feels like my eyeballs are being flicked around. Merry Christmas to you mate. Have a good one!
9900k and 2080ti. No performance issues. Very smooth and immersive. You have to tweak your graphics settings to match your hardware and not your desires
@@pocdabeno1974 if you are using oculus rift s go to settings and opt in to the public beta. It's the far right tab after you have clicked settings. I can't remember if "public beta" is the exact phrase (I'm currently not near my computer) but it's phrased something like that. Once you turn it on oculus will download some updates. After it's done you'll be good to go.
I have a basic Shadow PC with a GTX1080 and I love it. Yes it's jittery at times but the experience of flying anywhere in VR really makes up for it. I'm sure it will improve but for now it's a fantastic Christmas present!
I9 9900, 2080 Super and Quest link - getting stable 38fps flying over New York with most VR settings set to high. I was and still am amazed how well it runs in VR.
@@dh05z28 That's the problem with VR or pc gaming in general - lots of settings to mess with. I followed a couple of FS setupguides and kept tinkering, latest things I installed was the NIS patch which also helped me a lot. And then outside FS you have to make sure your WMR, SteamVR, Nvidia, windows and whatnot settings are correct.. but with a 3080 you should easily get great results. BTW after I posted that more than a year ago I upgraded to a G2. It's much more demanding than the Quest 1, but thanks to world update 5 which improved the fps in VR a lot, I run that at 80% with NIS and again get around 35fps over big cities - but now obviously with a much better picture than with the Quest 1.
I'm running it on and I7 GTX nVidea 1050ti 32 gig using my Gear VR via VRidge Riftcat. Rendering 60. I jump into the Pitts Special at my local Aerodrome and it gives me such a great feeling of not only immersion but the lifelike really fun aspect of flying, kicking in almost all your senses. Of course over time it will become better but by then I'll probably shell out the money to get an upgraded system of course,to experience it more fully. I'm a real world glider and powered aircraft pilot getting into aerobatics over the years so I know what it feels like. So yeah it does a great job at recreating that for me.
Guys, I am an xplane fun but I love msfs 2020 also! I tried with oculus Rift S and I was astounded from the living experience that I was experiencing. On my oculus software also it gives me some kind of a net layer that makes it kind of blurry, I don’t know why Grate video !
I’m running an intel I9-10900K + 3080 + HP G2 and I almost thru up after 5 minutes. I got my G2 a day before Msfs VR released. I spent a few hours setting up DCS. Went from 11 FPS to 60 FPS with lots of things turned Down. I think Microsoft needs to really work on their VR drivers. I miss my Oculus rift S for the drivers, but I can’t go back after experiencing the resolution on the G2.
The keyword is "We are just not there yet". VR's optimum framerate is 90fps. The mainstream resolution of VR headsets is just "not sharp enough" - you can clearly see pixels when your eyes are mere inches from the 2x screens. Getting a 4K x 2 resolution VR Headset would not solve your problem because it would be impossible to run at 60fps (don't even talk about 90fps) even with a i9-10900K + RTX 3090. You can't even run MSFS 2020 consistently at 60fps at 4K with a i9-10900K + RTX 3090 on a flat screen, forget about being able to do so in VR with a 4K x 2 resolution VR Headset.
There's a lot of misinformation in this post, as it assumes all headsets have a optimum fps of 90. Then assuming they aren't sharp enough, yet my G2 is sharper than my 1080p monitor and just behind my 1440p. I'd never consider 1440p "not sharp enough", in fact, I find it the absolute sweet spot as 4k doesn't get much sharper to the naked eye under 30" of screen. Thing is, you don't need the graphics to be maxed out. I have an 8700k and a 3090 FE and I can hit 60 in majority of situations on 1440p. I don't hit that in VR but for the first implementation, it's alright. Do you remember how bad VR was in DCS? It was atrocious for a long time. Good VR takes time. Some of the best implementations (iRacing for instance) took years and they were developing their VR when the first Oculus Rift dev kits weren't even for sale.
The main problem is that you have some very pricey graphic card, which are unable to manage 4K resolution...It's not only an Asobo's problem. Graphic Card are too expensive, and too weak for the new needs ! Actually the better GC hardly manage 4K 8.3mp 60fps on a flat screen 60Hz, on this screen both of your two eyes, see 8,3mp. A Quest 2 has less pixels 7.5mp, so it's almost easier to produce 60fps in this case in VR, at least 30/40fps at 72hz... BUT VR divide theses 7.65 mp per 2 ! So you lose some visual clarity We need pancake or meta-lens in VR device, and 15mp panel in order to have at least 7,5mp per eye! And of course really better (and cheaper) graphic cards in order to display 4K X 2 resolution...
@@SETHalpine You sum it up so well - High-end GPUs are too ex, VR requires driving 2x high resolution images & current hardware is unable to support 4K (x2). It's simply the laws of physics, if you put 2 small screens just mere inches from your eyes, those screens will need to be UltraHD resolution (unless you like staring at a low resolution CRT image upclose with pixels galore). And if the hardware is required to drive 2x 4K moving images, compromises have to be made somewhere. There is a reason why 90% of VR games uses low resolution/polygon count characters, objects and environments - to maintain high frame rates while the hardware works extra hard to generate 3D moving images across 2 screens. Introducing VR elements into a game which is already hard to drive in 2D mode is just pushing the limits of current hardware to where it's incapable of doing without making compromises elsewhere. We are just not there yet. Of course if the compromises of lower resolution/visual fidelity/framerate are acceptable to you in exchange for better immersion via depth perception, that's perfectly fine. Personally, I prefer to play MSFS 2020 (and DCS) at a pin sharp 3440x1440 34" UltraWide monitor at a mix of Very High/Ultra setting at an average of 45-65 FPS on my i9-9900K & RTX 2080Ti while awaiting the RTX 3080Ti. I've been playing VR games for the past 8 months, I know what is sharp enough or fast enough - for my eyes - after playing PC games for the past few decades.
For all the naysayers, I've got it working for an enjoyable if not optimum experience on a Ryzen 5 2600 and a gtx 1060 6g. and a WMR headset HP G1. Took quite a bit of tweaking, but I got there. So if you've got better specs than mine, stop complaining and get tweaking. It's definitely doable!! That said, I will be upgrading my Graphics card sooner rather than later.
Munky332 I’ve just followed the advice on these videos. I’m running OpenXR at 70 with projection off. In game render also at 70. Most other things at low. Some medium. Turning reflections off helped. You still get reflections funny enough. And you don’t need 45fps. I’m getting 30fps most of the time and it is smooth. I am not on a high res headset though. My resolution is 2880 x 1440
You might want to turn settings from high to medium, I have a RTX 3080 and Intel i9 9900k, Graphic settings medium to low, texture and volumetric clouds on high, with reverb G2 on 70 render scale. Running locked at 30fps, looks great runs smooth. Can't expect much more than that when the sim runs at less than 60fps on 4k high settings on flatscreen. They did an amazing job, and the future I'm sure will bring more optimization and more fps 🤞
That hardware and you need to run on low settings and you say they did a amezing job LOL you might as well say that cyberpunk is a perfectly fine running game
@@Spiritwonder420The settings that are low are detailed grass and reflections, keeping in mind Flight sim 2020 fps depends on what aircraft you fly and what location you are at, I run locked at 30fps worse case scenario, say in a massive airport with photogrammetry buildings. In areas with less building or aircraft that have less graphics impact I can stay steady on 45fps. Like I said I'm sure when the game is optimised better, we will get better performance flatscreen and VR. I think next generation games\sims are not designed to run everything at max settings at 60fps or 90 fps for VR, even with next gen hardware, for what i have learnt is that its so the games stay compatible and a better experience even say 5 years time when the next generation of hardware is released.
@@MrMatthew1992 that's still no excuse for vr the norm Is 90 frames to not get sick enough other games like elite dangerous did this year's ago and just because this is a sim dos not mean it has to run terrible
@@Spiritwonder420I think Microsoft Flight sim, which has photogrammetry and the whole earth to explore with the best graphics I have seen, is very different to any other simulation or game out there today. You could put all setting to low and it still would blow any other flight simulator out of the water. I agree with needing 90fps to eliminate motion sickness, but for simulations, 45 or 30fps would feel perfectly fine for many people, I think 90fps is a must if you are playing a game where your character is moving or for fast paced games. But simulations where you are just moving your head is fine to be running reprojection at to get 45 or 30fps. I don't think we would get to a time where you can 90fps on microsoft flight in vr, especially not on high settings and on a reverb G2 at 100 percent render scale.
The main problem is that you have some very pricey graphic card, which are unable to manage 4K resolution...It's not only an Asobo's problem. Graphic Card are too expensive, and too weak for the new needs !
@@proxlamuz4591 msfs 2020 is very much CPU limited. Your i7 7700k is the main problem. But even a great CPU will only do a little better. Did you disable motion smoothing and reduce the render scale to 70 but boost the steam VR ss to 150? Does it run relatively smoothly? That's the best you'll get.
Hey X-check! Use the oculus tray tool and use ASW mode at 18hz. I am running 9900k 1080ti and I can almost run max graphics settings on rift s and it’s a great experience ! Hope it helps as much as it did me :)
I am playing with a 2060, original HTC Vive, and HOTAS which blew my mind. Its been my #1 VR experience so far, and for any HP Reverb G2 owners I'm curious on your experience. With the original Vive its impossible to read any small text, plus the screen door effect diminishes the realism. Still a must try for any VR owners.
The ASW part is messy because its role IS to have smooth movement while at 40FPS, if your game runs at 70, ASW will force it to 40 and then drop 1/2 frames, which is normal. Alyx is a fully VR game optimized to run at 80 FPS, ASW has nothing to do here since the game runs at the expected 80FPS most of the time. With your current graphical settings, it seems your game doesn't reach the 40 FPS required for ASW to work properly, it is at 35 FPS inside your cockpit, therefore ASW is lost and cannot reproject correctly, hence the multiple artefacts you got. Try to at least have your framerate at 40FPS, or you can may be try Oculus Tray Tool which allows you to force ASW to run at lower FPS than 40. (or 45 if your max is 90)
Performance for me hasn't really been an issue. My specs are a core core i5-9600k OC and watercooled, 16GB DRR4-3200MHz RAM, and an RTX 3070. My problems come with oculus link being SUPER buggy, which I experience pretty much everywhere. I am going to be switching to the Reverb G2, whenever that comes at least, and hopefully that'll be better. The warped frames seemed to be more of an oculus link problem than anything. Whenever I get those, I simply unplug my headset, disabling link, and plug it back it. This fixes the issue, so I'm skeptical that oculus link needs some work for games or sims like this... UPDATE: I got my HP Reverb G2 in today and tested it in MSFS. It ran very smoothly, and I was even streaming it on discord, which will usually tank performance. Seems to me that the bad VR is just an Oculus problem...
Check out a couple of the VRFlightsim guys latest videos on MSFS 2020 VR he goes over some settings he's used to greatly improve the VR experience after flying the VR Beta version 50 hours. He might be helpful for you! I've not even set up my msfs 2020 yet but now that VR is out and with some of his input I'll be working on mine too. Good luck!
@@DerekMoore82 Heres a link to it. I'm pretty sure he's done 2 videos about it but this one goes thru his settings fir VR in MSFS 2020. He's been posting alot of great videos and is very helpful. Good luck to you and Merry Christmas!!! VR Flightsim Guy's channel ruclips.net/video/jReDq1ingXI/видео.html
I've flown flights in real life and reconstructed them on VR. Pc is Ryzen 2700x 3000mhz 16 GB ram with 1080ti. On occulus quest 2 and it's amazing. I've played games and suffered motion sickness. But nothing on this. Yes resolution could be improved but flying in "unimproved" areas (Scotland) I'm in awe!
DCS has had years as well the touch controllers support. So you can do same as VTOL VR does. The difference is that in DCS the 3D pilot model doesn't move or react to your body. This is problem that needs fixing. As when you move your head to look mirror, your mirror vision is zoomed as your head doesn't move as body doesn't move. Your head will turn and nod, but that is it. ED needs to add dynamic hands from the shoulders and start making head/upper torso to move by the HMD.
It did on my Vive too until I turned off Motion Smoothing in the Steam VR settings. Runs really well on my OC’d 6700K and 1080ti with most settings at high now.
Have you tried disabling ASW? I can handle ~30-40fps in VR flight sims like you, and so disabling ASW has eliminated all the weirdness, making it much more enjoyable to play. You can force ASW off in the Oculus debug tool.
I don't measure performance - I'm only interested in how it feels. On an Intel CPU it ran very well for me..... BUT.... The graphics in the mid and long distance were garbage, no auto-gen whatsoever. Surprisingly, the clouds looked kind of 2d (unlike X-Plane) and they had weird triangular artefacting around the edges. On my system, in VR, X-Plane 11 Vulcan runs much better and can be run on maximum graphical settings, so I get horizon to horizon autogen. When coupled to using the VR controllers, it really improves your spatial awareness of the aircraft - plus in X-Plane 11 you can walkaround - literally anywhere! I will see if I can do some more tweaking, but for me, at this time, X-Plane-11 is a much better experience in VR!
Great video, strangely enough I didn't have the same experience. I played for about 3 hours last night, in all fairness about one and a half of those hours were spent tweaking the settings because I wanted to run the game on ultra settings and MSFS20 clearly had different ideas. However, once I cleared up the constant crashing and freezing apparently due to high settings, I spent the final hour and a half flying over the dreaded frame eater known as NYC at night. Again, not the smoothest experience I've had first time playing a game in VR but I didn't get sick or notice any major issues when I got it to actually stop crashing. While it was crashing though I did notice that it would stop for 1 to 3 seconds and the screen would turn black then return, not sure if they did that on purpose. I'm going to give it another go tonight and hope that no new issues occur. **I may not have the tool you are using via Oculus though. My specs are below in case anyone wondered. RTX-3090 (manually overclocked) i7-97K 32gb RAM After consecutive crashing on ultra, I tuned the settings mostly high (buildings, trees, grass, clouds, waves) with just about everything else on low
I have to say I disagree but admittedly I spent a good chunk of time testing the settings etc and optimising. Once this is complete the experience is very comfortable. Small planes & light aircraft work best since there isn't the CPU load from glass cockpits etc. I fly the A320 Flybywire most of the time - VR in this plane works fine but settings have to be lowered somewhat, the focus on the cockpit systems means you don't really feel the low settings but still experience the VR sensation. System is 5900X + 2070S + 32GB RAM + Rift S
DCS (besides the Mariana Map) works better (lights, clouds etc) than FS. FS it hit a little hard the core. In the other hand, FS looks amazing (the details of a cockpit are insane, and DCS..well..it looks for sure pretty -depends on the aircraft- but isnt handle quiet well. But the worst aspect i believe are the mountains, the landmarks in DCS are extremely well made until you find a triangular mountain, straight lines everywere. That little detail makes FS more pleasent to watch in some scenarios. Hope both games take notes of pros and cons of their product.
I bought this on Monday and started installing on Wednesday. It’s still installing! I bought it for the VR and was hoping it would work. Thank you for the heads up
@@AndrewDaniele87 I have completely reinstalled Windows 10 pro from scratch. Did all of the updates and it still gets to a point and hangs. While hung up it maxes out my GPU for days. Hate to see my power bill next month. I'm running a GTX 980Ti 6GB on a 3.1 GHz Xenon proc (2687w) with 32GB or memory
Serious question. Did you really expect a superb performance in the first rollout of a DX11 based application when VR was implemented? Or was it just a good opportunity to get some views? Give it some time. If there is one title out there that will make it eventually, it's this one.
Hi X-CHECK trust what your system and MSFS can produce - VR performs great for me, have you given up? I disabled motion projection from OpenXR it made me sick with it's artifacts and bad updating. I changed the OpenXR scaling down to 70%. I did the same thing in MSFS for render scaling 70%, graphical options around medium and I can tell you now it is smooth in non built up areas like New York but I can fly jets comformtably in Seattle and London also so that's ok too. Oh I have a G2 (the image is still very clear with the render scale changes) and a Intel 9900K @ 4.4Ghz and Asus 2080 Ti. So as you can see you should be able to get great performance on your rig with a Quest 2 and the fact you can't just tells me you've not understood how to get the best out of a new sim. You can absolutely enjoy VR in this sim on a wider veriety of systems and this video tellls me that you don't think that's possible. I hope you find what's holding back YOUR VR experience in MSFS because as you stated it can be a truely wonderful experience.
Maybe to put it in context, this is way more playable for me than when VR was released on X-Plane with the same rig. In X-Plane I couldn't fly around London with TrueEarth (there really wasn't any point using VR in X-Plane without TrueEarth tbh) but the Vulkan update really made VR possible in X-Plane and now I love it. I think many more improvements can come in software and of course with Xbox consoles getting an MSFS release with DirectX 12 Ultimate support in the summer - that surely will help on the PC side as well.
Hey David! How have you been? Merry Christmas! So yeah, I still have messed with this a bit. Definitely went on and disabled AWS on Oculus, and made sure Reprojection was disabled in OpenXR. That resulted in a experience that didn't make me sick, but the reprojection artifacts now changed tovertical or horizontal blurriness depending on the axis I turn my head. That ended up now giving me eye strain and a headache lol. If I lower the settings enough, inside the cockpit the framerates can be reasonable as to not have so much blur when looking around, but when taking off and looking outside the window, all close objects are a tremendous blur. And of course, everything looks well... crappy... And there are some weird artifacts that occur in the scenery through the propeller, and my cockpit now and then disappears for a single frame. I want to enjoy this, but I just can't. I may be just too sensitive. Maybe the fact that I play VR almost everyday with other titles, and I am used to a certain level of experience is what really makes this unbearable to me. I appreciate your comment, I really wish I was able to enjoy the sim as you currently do, but it seems I will have to wait for a bit more optimization. I will still mess with the setting now and then. I will also hope there comes an NVIDIA driver that helps with this situation. But things as they currently are... Nope...
My biggest issue is not performance, but the fact that cockpit scale is wrong. The cockpits appear up to 20% smaller in VR then they actually are in real life. I am a Cessna 172 pilot with hundreds of hours in the 172R and 172S. The VR scale of the cockpit is just plain wrong.
Out of curiosity, if you turn down the graphics details far enough, combined with scaling, do you eventually get enough performance for these problems to go away? If so I'm curious to see how the sim looks at that point :)
Its all about getting the settings right. Using OpenXR rather than Steam made the biggest difference to me. I have a 10900k and 2080 super.......in a laptop I will add and can run it smooth at 100%res, with my quest 2 turned up to 1.7 supersampling and even with openxr at 150%. Runs smooth looks super clear and is amazing. Using mix of med high and ultra in game settings. Things like reflections are set to low as are shadows
"So much for getting VR right. Right?" Wrong. Trust me. Taking time to tweak your setting along with some other tricks in the registry and Open XR makes a huge difference. Good luck.
yeah it's working amazingly well for me after the tweaks that the community had suggested, I can run water/reflections/windshield all maxed out (I really like the reflection of the cockpit on the windshield on ultra, so that's why I prioritized that lol)
Do you have a link to a tutorial for that tweaks. I do have the same experience as X-check with a Ryzen 3900x (OC), fast 32GB RAM and my RTX 3080. It´s playable but makes no fun that why in VR (Headset Index). If I had to guess.. it feels that I am at around 50% of the performance that I need to make it fun to fly in VR.
Sort of like how Xplane is really awesome and looks great, just need a few hundred dollars more in add-ons and a couple PCs and the highest stable overclocked intel CPUs you can find.
Just did my first flight in VR with the C172 on a short night flight and I found the experience positive. I had only a couple of issues that were pretty minor. Ran smoothly and no issues controlling the plane though I could see some room for improvement to make it super fluid. I would say it's a great first step. I'm running a AMD 2600 with AMD 5700 and 16gig of RAM and the hard drive is M2 NVME 1TB. I'm using a Samsung Odessey $300.
I must have lower standards than a lot of people or under analyzing things, but i’m enjoying the heck out of playing VR on my potato-like i7 4970K, 32 Gb DDR3 1866 mhz, 1660TI, Samsung Odyssey+. Does it stutter when i do a close flyby of manhattan..sure, but other than that it is pretty smooth...daylight, sunset, or dark. I bought it fully intending to return it within the 2 hour limit given my system, but i was very surprised/happy.
That is awesome man! Truth is, people have different level of sensitivity, and VR is a very subjective matter, what for someone can be utterly unplayable, for someone else can just be perfect. My body just cant handle the issues that come along with low frame-rates, artifacts and blurriness either makes me super dizzy or gives me a good old fashioned headache.
yeah i can dogfight in war thunder seemingly endlessly on my quest 2 with no side effects. that being said, i dont drop below 90fps in war thunder. thats the difference.
You can turn of ASW in the oculus config tool thingy (I forgot the name there is a dev tool -> looked it up.. Oculus Debug Tool) ... Don't know if that works for you... I was so disappointed with the current state of VR that I didn't even get to 10 minutes.. I was totally annoyed that it didn't center right. And I couldn't get it to center right (and if it's not right my inner ear thingy (your balance sensor so to speak) will start to object like it did with you).. k maybe it was a bit more then 10 min (just tinkering with settings) but I never actually got it to a point that I wanted to fly with it... But I just know you can turn off ASW. And I thought it might help... My guess is you just end up with a really choppy framerate... I'm with you on the "I don't need the touch controllers".. I actually don't even want to use them in a flight sim... a lot of how I play is with a Hotas and the stupid things always get in the way drop off the desk when not using them... I love not having to use them... But Ima do what you did.. Just forget VR launched until it's better.
Since you have a decent system and Rift S, just lock the sim via OTT to 18 or 30fps, and with ASW it will be 80fps in the headset. It's a bit stuttery here on my system (8086k and 1080 8gb), but I can run scenery at high. The only issue is shaky headtracking with Oculus and OpenXR, not sure how to solve that.
Thank you for being honest! I really don't understand other reviewers (with lower PC specs!) saying it's an UNBELIEVABLE experience which IS NOT!:) I can only say bad words about it after spending many hours tweaking my settings and I know what I'm doing. If you want an UNBELIEVABLE experience try Alyx, Aerofly FS2, VTOL or even X-PLANE, then come back to MSFS sweet nightmare. Ryzen 5600x/32GB/RTX3070/G2 headset - struggling to get stable 30fps for motion rep. even at half resolution! This is ridiculous. What's the point of lowering the settings to make it playable and resonably smooth but look like sh...t?:)C'mon ASOBO - you screwed it up! For serious simmers, this "pretty looking game" is a big NO at the moment.
@Gulf Island Aviator I FIGURED IT OUT!!! My God! After so many hours I can finally say it's AMAZING! What I did was switching from OpenXR Dev tools to SteamVR environment (!!!) plus studying this post: forums.flightsimulator.com/t/my-2070-super-vr-settings-and-suggestions-valve-index/321913/148 . I did some changes to Nvidia CPL panel too. You have to launch MSFS first (!) with WMR window/SteamVR closed (!). After launching the sim, press CTR+TAB and go into VR mode. Guys I can run this now at FULL RES 2236x2192 with ultra clouds, medium settings at 35-40FPS fluid! I have no idea why it didn't worked with OpenXR dev.tools and motion reprojection! It's a night and day difference now!
Does not appear to work correctly on the Oculus Rift S. If they get that fixed it will be extremely realistic. It works except there is a black circle in the view.
After a bit of tweaking and disabling ASW I get good performance in most scenarios, no artifacts, and no nausea. R5 3600, RTX2070 Super, 16gb RAM. I think it's a good start and will only continue to improve, hopefully with the addition of motion controller support.
ASW issues to me are a symptom of the problem, not the cause of it. I have tried removing ASW, yup, the artifacts are gone, but in its place comes motion blur. Lots of it. Nausea indeed falls drastically, but eye strain and headaches sky rocket for me :/
Compared to other VR games, the head tracking in FS2020 wasn't good enough for me to fully enjoy it (Rift CV1), and the scale didn't seem right as well. I'm guessing that CV1 isn't officially supported and therefore won't work as intended.
This is all interesting and I am shocked to hear you are having issues on your Quest 2 with the hardware you have to drive Q2!! I am running a Nvidia1660 super and of course it can not drive the Quest 2 beyond 1080p. Any settings beyond that creates a very unpleasant slide show. I was going to buy a 3080 to fix my Q2 performance issues but I think I will hold off until performance issues get resolve. In the mean time my 1660 super is driving my old Rift headset just fine with a lot of high and Ultra settings. Not the best resolution but very playable. I can snap my head around and the scene changes quickly and smoothly. I am loving the flight experience at 1080p. Looking forward to more resolution though..
IMO VR is very much a game changer in FS2020 as well. Doing the Yosemite bush trip in VR is absolutely amazing. The situational awareness is a whole other level. I have an older system with a GTX1080 (not TI) and a HP Reverb G1 (2x4k) and setting the render scale to 70-80 makes this quite smooth. No way I'm going back to 2d. I am a RL private pilot and without the ability to look around freely its nowhere near real.
19 years later, I put my butt back in a simulator ... What was my job for 11 years, would not appeal to me. I was waiting for the VR to be sufficiently mature to get back to it. War Thunder, DCS, VTol VR ... and now, finally! FS2020! With VR, the immersion is there ... The flaws too, I find myself wanting to select buttons ... not accessible ... Argh ... The confusion between the desire to touch the real buttons, and having to do with palliatives ... graphically with 4k on a flat screen, we could be happy: 8.3mp seen by each of our eyes .... but in VR, visual acuity is reduced ... by two .., one eye has only 3.75mp on the Quest2, a little bit insufficient ... 20 years later, the technology is not yet there, to have its simulation close to reality at home (without the G) I think the Hotas recipe is not suitable for this generation of aircraft and this imaging technique ... VR is good for warbirds, not on buttonhole planes ... The Hotas, it's good with a 4K screen ... but we know now, that the immersion level, it sucks. In VR, those who have tried Vtol Vr have understood the fun of touching the buttons with the "fingers", but the virtual stick has its limits ... in my opinion, you need a real joystick in the right hand, and in the left hand a Oculus Touch controller magnetized on a linear guide rail. The idea being to take a normal throttle, to free it from the handle and on the potentiometer to put a magnetic base there. We therefore control the throttle with the Oculus Touch installed and when we need to operate a button, we do so by raising our hand (the controller). Autonomously, the Quest2 allows the identification of hands and the pitch of the fingers, if this function existed with the link (connected to the PC), then it will be great! We could press the buttons with a full hotas, coupled with the "voice attack" program and its vocal commands, we would then have the panacea.
i7-7700/ 2070/16 gb ram/ Rift2 = Runs smooth You say it's subjective and then put "terrible?" in the title. Terrible for people that don't take the time to optimize their settings. Maybe try that before doing a review.
3090 and an o+...feels fine to me. Dcs mfd/ddi/screens what have you are miles easier to read and way more clear, but this feels a good start..reverb coming Monday so will see how much clear it is
I play on Ultra settings in VR and dont' loose any performance from vr settings. I get some bad hitching when loads come in or initial lag loading a city. However, I get 40fps in oculus on vr mode and 40fps on Ultra settings on a 3080, even in new york. So if you running current gen hardware you should be fine running this game on ultra settings in vr.
You must have an ungodly weak stomach, I did a four-hour flight through turbulence and IMC conditions and it never felt better. I actually felt like I was shooting a real ILS approach again after 15 years. I'm using the Reverb T2 on an MSI g65 stealth and don't really run into too much of what you're talkin about
PC settings to 200 and forget the rest (OpenXR/NIS etc)... VR experience including frame rate, smoothness, clarity and bugs much better since I stopped using all the developer tools which caused much problems with experience. Set the PC controls to default then change 1 thing... rendering scale resolution to 200 (max) and then fly in VR. Oh, within VR Settings mine are set at resolution 80 and Terrain level of detail and Objects Level Detail to 100... Ryzen 5 5600G, 32G RAM, RTX 3060
I dropped the values for shadows shimmer, and sunspots. This fixed the jumping for me. Fresh budget build just for the game and oculus but only slightly over the minimum game reps.
If they reduce the graphics details, both the resolution and the frame rate can be improved. That's what they do for all the games written for Quest 2. Whether VR is there or not really depends on what resolution and what graphics details you want. You can have a very smooth experience for all VR games without any motion sickness even today. A resolution of 1080p was considered to be very good in the past, but now people want 4k, and then 8k, .. LOL BTW, our vision isn't really digital. So, if you want VR to be like reality, you need to simulate our real vision. There are still some differences people can notice when comparing DVD and plastic LP audio. :) Our perceptions and senses are kind of analog, not digital.
The problem you show at around 7 minute mark only happens to me when I have pressed space bar to recenter VR. Don’t do that and re center manually with the arrow keys and that won’t happen. At least for me. I get between 25-30 fps in VR with ultra settings. I have similar performance on my computer except for the GPU (using an RTX 2080ti), so you should be able to run the game better than that. Edit: The issue for me gas been solved by using the beta version of the Oculus software
I don't know who tried this but once you are sit on your vr airplane on the cockpit try to leave the airplane like you do in real life, so stand up and moving on the left, you would be outside the airplane, you can walk standing on the airport looking your airplane from outside like in the real life, I found this mind blowing, like "I'm standing in front of a cessna!", you can check your airplane, wheels, fusolage, wings flaps, transparents, and most of important looking around the airport, and try this once you're flying, you put the sim in pause then you get up and you moving outside the aiplane. And you look down 😂 it's absolutely fantastic, I have done this flying over Venezia and wow!
I agree, I did all this 2 years ago with Oculus Rift and AeroFly FS 2, so far the best performing VR flight simulator, even with RTX1070, the performance is smooth, of course its not as amazing as MFS20, in terms of graphics, but the cockpit looks very detailed, and that’s what’s important....
Does anyone else find it hard to read the numbers on the gauges / instruments in VR. Whilst I love the immersion, I find it really trciky to read small numbers on the instruments, it seems like the resolution is not enough in my Dell Visor WMR headset?
hahahaha this end... kills me :D im 100% with you. thats not the VR experience what we looking for a chilling flight simulation. aerofly runs on my 3070 on ultra + 1.2 SS, with some DLC´s its looking fantastic and smooth holy... for fs2020 we have still waiting for an update or a new cpu / gpu generation in 5 years :D
By the way it is possible to turn ASW off using ctrl+num1 I find that ASW is nice if I am already able to run the game well but if I am not maintaining a good framerate and ASW is running all the time then it looks better off.
Not tested yet with my PC. But if it's not VR, it's not a flight simulator IMHO. There's no chance for a monitor if you want to fly. I'll stay with x-plane 11, dcs, il-2, all amazing experiences in VR. But I hope a compromise between graphics and performance is possible even in FS2020.
Just started flying in it this week in VR. So far 3.4Ghz, GTX 1980 card, 16 megs of ram, it looks pretty good. A little choppy at times, but amazing none the less. the UI is really good cockpit renders are really good. My one complaint, . I wish they would give you at least 1 military jet in the game, but the selection of planes is not bad. Overall its pretty good.
The only reason I haven't bought this yet (not for VR for self evident reasons) is that I'm still on a 2gb GTX 960 and I'm not buying a card at 4x the cost. What it does is impressive, but holy hell that performance demand. I suppose they aren't doing that Nvidia VR thing that's supposed to only actually render what's displayed in the headset to save performance? Nvidia announced that, everyone was hyped, and then it disappeared. Also, 9:48 ...this... means something!
you need to force ASW to always on for this game, makes for a much better experience (I'm using a 2070 with some settings on ultra, reflections, windshield, etc.)
Do you get like a net layer in the foreground of the oculus s rcmies? How you think I can improve the resolution that is pretty good but I see threw the headset like a small net? :)
HP Reverb VR is fine to me. I've canceled Oculus after the first rift. Also you can switch almost instantly from decktop to VR. And it's the first release with VR they will do better. I remember DCS first release with VR...
its a very demanding game and the only solution i see works the is unoffical is to disconnect the main display after the game runs in vr, that will elminate all the unnecessary extra weight, its not ideal but you will notice the improvement of the vr experience.
With the complexity of Microsoft flight simulator 2020 I can't see the VR implementation reaching glory Heights untill they implement Direct X12 and DLSS. You can get a smooth performing set up but the sacrifices you have to make in quality are a little bit much still, we should be thankful and let's hope asobo/Microsoft quickly get to grips with the the performance issues.
The VR implementation was quite crap, but so was the control setup. My main issue is that everything warps and fucks up when I look around. DCS is exponentially better in that regard. In DCS, I feel like I am in an ugly, but real place. In MSFS, I feel like I am flying a beautiful fake plane over a fake landscape.
I want to check this out soon but sounds like the Steam VR version has these performance issues you mentioned if on the latest Nvidia drivers. Hopefully Nvidia will fix soon. But might as well try the Windows Store version on game pass!
Just my opinion, the clarity of the cockpit could be better, and it has flickering issues at times that make your eyes go nuts. Using Quest 2 as well. It needs help.
That's quite interesting. I'm rather prone to locomotion issues in VR related to performance... but I have none in MSFS2020 VR mode on HTC Vive. And my HW is rather mediocre.
Yep can't say I've experienced any of the problems in msfs that you've mentioned in your video, I'm running on a I9 cpu 32gb of memory and a 1660 ti graphics card on medium graphic settings and using an acer Windows mixed reality headset set at 1080p, frame rates are smooth and can endure quite sometime in vr I must've spent 3 hrs this morning just flying around in the m20 ovation
Thanks man, I really feel the same. It is a kind of alpha version experience. I think in a year it will be fine, but after 5h tweaking several settings I have a almost playable VR situation, but it does not feel very nice, I can play it 15min or so, before my eyes cannot take it anymore and my stomach neither. Half Life Alyx I can play for hours. It’s a good start, but a long long way to go. Maybe Dx12 will fix some performance problems
For performance issues, I’ll be it’s your 3900X the issue. Zen 2 CPUs especially (Intel and Zen 3 have the same issue in some places but it’s better I think) are bottlenecking the 30 series GPUs for this sim (I have a 3700X + 3080), due to the single-threaded ness. Mine runs fine but yeah this sim is too single threaded dependent (regardless of CPU). Don’t upgrade it tho, try turning up render scaling to push the load to the GPU
I mean the only settings that work for me with my Rift CV1 and GTX970 are the the absolute lowest settings (apart from being able to bump it to 30% render scale... woo!) Also I have an i7 4790S but I think it's the GPU that affects VR the most here.
I think it's the stuttering that causes the problems. 10900K and 3090 gives 30fps on default VR settings,but it can be nausea inducing. Going to try VR Flightsimguy's suggestions.
This game has some pretty strange performance situations. I have noticed that almost everyone with a 3090 experiences worst performance that those with lower end hardware. I expect this is a driver thing which will hopefully update.
other things that I have noticed is random windows settings make large differences in this game as well as occulus headsets not performing well with the wrong settings. This game is capable of performing at 60 fps on my vega 64 and ryzen 2600 with 16 gb of ram. A lot of people have managed to get the game running well, however this has been known to have been extremely finicky. I mean some people are having to go into registry files while others are able to do things as simple as disabling game mode in the windows settings. Not to mention the TXAA in this game i kid you not will drop you 15-20 fps from FXAA with a very small drop in quality.
Thanks for sharing! I have been very surprised by the mixed experiences, and fixes for some not working for others. I have also heard about the 3000 series having a bug where they drop frames in vr for unlnown reasons, hopefully in a couple of months my experience will drastically change.
@@felipe96150 I mean that would help, but It isn't the main reason for the performance issues. Considering that people can get the performance pretty good, DX11 isn't the main issue. Though an upgrade to DX12 would help a lot. Right now performance loss is mostly due to bugs.
I'm running an rtx 2070 and get pretty good performance. never seen these broken screen artifacts. render scale is set to 100% on oculus q2. if flying in remote areas I bump it to render scale 130% and its smooth. 200% looks so good and scrips, but runs are like 8fps haha...
I run a 3080 with a 5800x and a G2, and it runs like absolute shit no matter what settings I have. I've never hit 30fps in VR.
@@guybrushthreepwood3002 They did something to the game with the most recent update. The game now runs horrible for me aswell. But its glitchy now. it will run fine for about1-3 minutes and then I am down to less than 1 frame persecond. I am actually in the seconds perframe side of things. But if I restart my vr headset it goes right back up to good performance for a minute or 2 and then less than 1 fps. They messed something up big time with the most recent update. I mean even the way it lags is glitchy. Something is seriously wrong right now.
It's about time that we get a good DLSS implementation in VR sims.
Unfortunately DLSS would not help much right now as the sim is heavily being bottlenecked by modern CPUs
@@FlorianSaling Why are they letting the CPU bottleneck the experience? that should be fixed right?
@@Shapar95 these simulation engines underneath are usually pretty old, single-threaded, or kind of fake it with a couple of single-threaded parts. It's not easy to write truly multi-threaded scalable simulations without completely throwing away what you already have and starting from scratch.
Believe me, the lot of us are waiting for the truly multi-threaded DCS or FS. ;)
But yeah, I'd also welcome DLSS too, because if it would not blur text, and give me a performance boost, then why not? ;)
True, but I believe that needs DX12 or Vulcan. FS2020 and DCS World still use DX11. May get DX12 mid 2021 when FS2020 goes on XBox series X.
@@FlorianSaling It needs better multi-threading, also a jump to DX12 would be a good idea to remove CPU dependencies. I guess if they want to port it to Xbox Series X as they said, they'll have to do a DX12 Ultimate update anyway.
I have no performance issues (8700k, rtx 3070, rift s) 32 fps over big cities with clouds (ultra clouds) that is amazing compared my x-plane experience, to be honest I was afraid about the performance but I am very positive surprised. I very welcome VR in FS2020 and its only in the beginning. Also some correct mentioned already check your settings, VR Flight Sim Guy gave some nice tips .Merry Christmas everyone.
@@hdvrNG settings? Headset? Watched vr flight sim guy's video?
Anyone else noticing what looks like random spikes in there scenery whilst flying since updating Ms2020??
They slowly disappear into the ground once you fly closer to them.
Yes! Oh God, it's not only me. :)
Yep. Thought I was going crazy :)
I played it myself, and its it's just amazing.
True
100%, next level!
I got a vr headset like 2 yrs ago. Its dont matter?
Is it matter that the vr headset is old af?
@@ezflippy8454 sure it does!
Just to add, I didn't experience any ill effects flying in vr, like was mentioned in the video
Yup, we are built differently c:
@@XCHECK You need to be using the beta version of your Oculus software, then the performance problems will disappear.
@@swe-timberwolf3642 or get a G2 🤣
@@TheSd1cko yea, that is also a solution :-)
It’s amazing I agreed it’s stunning
Thanks for the detailed review X-Check. The quality of your reviews will push Asobo to continue working on the VR side of FS2020. Pretty sure that in few weeks/months from now, this will be an amazing experience. Also, I agree 100% with what you said about DCS and the switch clicking madness of keeping our head straight. I tried DCS only twice in VR, but I noticed this on the spot ... which was a HUGE problem for me while trying to go thru many switches in complete complex applications.
Thanks Stephane! I will be amazing in a future, I know it! Hope it;s not to far away...
Sim is just past the 4 month mark since release and VR will take some time since it only launched yesterday so they'll obviously be aware.
Yep and lets not forget X-Plane performed like a dog in VR when it was released but now is fantastic so I'm sure many more improvements will come. Also the reprojection doesn't work well for me (OpenXR), I think if this can be sorted out or tools like OVR made available to keep frames more stable then reprojection might work better, at the moment the artifacts and wobble graphics ruin the experience and I just have to turn it off.
@@dtrjones Yeah only time will tell.
My experience is pretty good. I do see room for improvement, obviously, but MSFS is what it is because it uses all sorts of cutting edge tech (despite being only DX11 for now). The thing about VR is that you more or less have to render everything twice, so you're always going to get an FPS hit. That said, Asobo will probably manage to optimize things a bit more, but I'm not expecting miracles. MSFS just really has a lot going on onscreen and offscreen as well, and apparently it wasn't really made for VR. So I'm kindof surprised that they managed to make it work at all, albeit in a sometimes kind of clunky way (I have to recenter my VR cockpit cam every time I go back to VR, for instance).
Compared to X-plane VR, I do get a slightly lower FPS, but with much more happening on screen. There are thousands of trees and buildings and grass and whatnot, and if something comparable would have to be rendered in X-plane, it would turn into a slideshow for sure!
Here are a few things you can do to improve performance:
1: latest drivers for everything (mainly GPU)
2: Have nothing else running in the background that has no reason to be there. The sys tray should be as empty as possible. Mine just has an audio diver and something for my RGB keyboard, and that's it! Check in your taskbar to see if there's anything else taking up too much memory or processor time, and if there is, get rid of it!
3. Mess around with render scaling in the VR section of MSFS. Setting 80 should give a pretty smooth experience (on a Rift S at least) without compromising the visual quality too much.. 70 is almost acceptable as well.
4. To prevent motion sickness, make a weather preset which has NO WIND of any kind, nor turbulence. All this wobbling around is what's going to make you sick like a dog!
5. It helps to pick a relatively simple plane. The Piper Cub gave me excellent frame rates, as well as the Robin. Even the Carenado Mooney performs fine. Planes with more advanced systems and glass cockpits are going to be more demanding on your system and reduce FPS
6. Tinker around with the VR Graphics settings in MSFS. Start with really low settings, and then reintroduce more stuff until you find a balance that works for you.
7. Make sure that Gaming mode in Windows is OFF. Also make sure that hardware Accelerated Scheduling in Windows Graphics settings is OFF. These settings are known to potentially really compromise your performance.
This is a really good summary and matches my experience as well. It's funny, when I first started it I thought it was horrible but after tuning it up I'm loving it. Big Xplane fan but MSFS is starting to win me over.
Wait gaming mode hits on your performance??
@@GlareAtEm Gaming mode was for Threadripper processors only as far as I am aware. It shouldn't otherwise be enabled.
Would you advise point 7 for flat screen ?
@@mark_lhr3 yes. Gaming mode is only for Threadripper.
You need to lower your resolution to get good fps. I have a 6700K and 1080gtx and get smooth fps on medium and high settings when using my original Oculus Rift. Why? Because my resolution is at 80%. Also, as long as you can turn your head without judder, you do not need to have 90fps, especially with ASW turned on. And anyway, VR is blurry by default. It's part and parcel of where today's tech level is. It is not the same as using a 4K screen. My first impression, especially given my lower specs (compared to new PCs), is that VR is amazing so long as your expectations are reasonable.
I like your comment
Future meta-lens or pancake lens (instead of fresnels) will improve the clarity in VR device...For the moment, the VR experience has still some flaws, but stay greatly immersive
I'm on a 3900x and gtx1080, and 16gb ram on an Index. My performance sounded a lot like the video.
The graphics had to be so low that it was no longer beautiful or worth playing for me. The cockpit was unreadable, the VR zoom was annoying, Clouds looked very jagged and overall the performance was pretty abysmal.
I play DCS for hours on end without getting sick but msfs 2020 also made me very sick after just 1 hour.
It's possible I didn't tweak settings very good but i can't imagine any fix will give me enough frames to be on par with DCS's sub par performance.
@@Uollie I read that the latest Nvidia driver's have caused performance issues for people using the Valve Index headsets. Therefore, I think it might be the driver that is causing the abysmal performance. Not sure yet if there are new drivers but I reckon this might be the issue and worth checking.
@@Steve31000 Ah really... I'll definitely be looking into a settings guide next time I try to run it. I'm also hoping I can get my hands on a 3070 before then so I can have more headroom. Appreciate the heads up.
This is a bug in the nvidia drivers on the new 3000 series cards. Not msfs2020 www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/game-ready-drivers/13/402768/valve-index-missing-dropped-frames-since-nvidia-d/ it's affecting all headsets. Read the post and upvote as not everyone is aware.
This definitely seems like something that is adding wood into the fire! Can't wait for a fix and try the experience again!
@@XCHECK yeah, I’ve hung my headset up for now. It’s really annoying. Feels like my eyeballs are being flicked around. Merry Christmas to you mate. Have a good one!
@Gulf Island Aviator you’re using a 2070. The bug is with the 3000 series cards and the drivers. I have a 3070.
@Gulf Island Aviator Hope so buddy. Have a good Christmas!
@@hdvrNG which headset? settings??
9900k and 2080ti. No performance issues. Very smooth and immersive. You have to tweak your graphics settings to match your hardware and not your desires
Yea I dont think he knows how to adjust settings at all.
I loved it once I got rid of the black box bug.
Yeah that black box bug was driving me insane! Glad it was easy to fix c:
I have it on mine. How do you get rid of it?
@@pocdabeno1974 if you are using oculus rift s go to settings and opt in to the public beta. It's the far right tab after you have clicked settings. I can't remember if "public beta" is the exact phrase (I'm currently not near my computer) but it's phrased something like that. Once you turn it on oculus will download some updates. After it's done you'll be good to go.
I have a basic Shadow PC with a GTX1080 and I love it. Yes it's jittery at times but the experience of flying anywhere in VR really makes up for it. I'm sure it will improve but for now it's a fantastic Christmas present!
I9 9900, 2080 Super and Quest link - getting stable 38fps flying over New York with most VR settings set to high. I was and still am amazed how well it runs in VR.
How!?!? I have a 3080 with an i9k 32G ram with the valve index. Have to set it to 50 resolution to get anywhere near smooth. And the picture SUCKS.
@@dh05z28 That's the problem with VR or pc gaming in general - lots of settings to mess with. I followed a couple of FS setupguides and kept tinkering, latest things I installed was the NIS patch which also helped me a lot. And then outside FS you have to make sure your WMR, SteamVR, Nvidia, windows and whatnot settings are correct.. but with a 3080 you should easily get great results. BTW after I posted that more than a year ago I upgraded to a G2. It's much more demanding than the Quest 1, but thanks to world update 5 which improved the fps in VR a lot, I run that at 80% with NIS and again get around 35fps over big cities - but now obviously with a much better picture than with the Quest 1.
I'm running it on and I7 GTX nVidea 1050ti 32 gig using my Gear VR via VRidge Riftcat.
Rendering 60.
I jump into the Pitts Special at my local Aerodrome and it gives me such a great feeling of not only immersion but the lifelike really fun aspect of flying, kicking in almost all your senses. Of course over time it will become better but by then I'll probably shell out the money to get an upgraded system of course,to experience it more fully.
I'm a real world glider and powered aircraft pilot getting into aerobatics over the years so I know what it feels like. So yeah it does a great job at recreating that for me.
Guys, I am an xplane fun but I love msfs 2020 also!
I tried with oculus Rift S and I was astounded from the living experience that I was experiencing.
On my oculus software also it gives me some kind of a net layer that makes it kind of blurry, I don’t know why
Grate video !
Me too. I have both and they both look pretty good to me.
I’m running an intel I9-10900K + 3080 + HP G2 and I almost thru up after 5 minutes. I got my G2 a day before Msfs VR released. I spent a few hours setting up DCS. Went from 11 FPS to 60 FPS with lots of things turned Down. I think Microsoft needs to really work on their VR drivers. I miss my Oculus rift S for the drivers, but I can’t go back after experiencing the resolution on the G2.
The keyword is "We are just not there yet". VR's optimum framerate is 90fps. The mainstream resolution of VR headsets is just "not sharp enough" - you can clearly see pixels when your eyes are mere inches from the 2x screens. Getting a 4K x 2 resolution VR Headset would not solve your problem because it would be impossible to run at 60fps (don't even talk about 90fps) even with a i9-10900K + RTX 3090. You can't even run MSFS 2020 consistently at 60fps at 4K with a i9-10900K + RTX 3090 on a flat screen, forget about being able to do so in VR with a 4K x 2 resolution VR Headset.
There's a lot of misinformation in this post, as it assumes all headsets have a optimum fps of 90. Then assuming they aren't sharp enough, yet my G2 is sharper than my 1080p monitor and just behind my 1440p. I'd never consider 1440p "not sharp enough", in fact, I find it the absolute sweet spot as 4k doesn't get much sharper to the naked eye under 30" of screen.
Thing is, you don't need the graphics to be maxed out. I have an 8700k and a 3090 FE and I can hit 60 in majority of situations on 1440p. I don't hit that in VR but for the first implementation, it's alright.
Do you remember how bad VR was in DCS? It was atrocious for a long time. Good VR takes time. Some of the best implementations (iRacing for instance) took years and they were developing their VR when the first Oculus Rift dev kits weren't even for sale.
The main problem is that you have some very pricey graphic card, which are unable to manage 4K resolution...It's not only an Asobo's problem. Graphic Card are too expensive, and too weak for the new needs !
Actually the better GC hardly manage 4K 8.3mp 60fps on a flat screen 60Hz, on this screen both of your two eyes, see 8,3mp.
A Quest 2 has less pixels 7.5mp, so it's almost easier to produce 60fps in this case in VR, at least 30/40fps at 72hz...
BUT VR divide theses 7.65 mp per 2 ! So you lose some visual clarity
We need pancake or meta-lens in VR device, and 15mp panel in order to have at least 7,5mp per eye!
And of course really better (and cheaper) graphic cards in order to display 4K X 2 resolution...
@@SETHalpine You sum it up so well - High-end GPUs are too ex, VR requires driving 2x high resolution images & current hardware is unable to support 4K (x2). It's simply the laws of physics, if you put 2 small screens just mere inches from your eyes, those screens will need to be UltraHD resolution (unless you like staring at a low resolution CRT image upclose with pixels galore). And if the hardware is required to drive 2x 4K moving images, compromises have to be made somewhere. There is a reason why 90% of VR games uses low resolution/polygon count characters, objects and environments - to maintain high frame rates while the hardware works extra hard to generate 3D moving images across 2 screens. Introducing VR elements into a game which is already hard to drive in 2D mode is just pushing the limits of current hardware to where it's incapable of doing without making compromises elsewhere. We are just not there yet. Of course if the compromises of lower resolution/visual fidelity/framerate are acceptable to you in exchange for better immersion via depth perception, that's perfectly fine. Personally, I prefer to play MSFS 2020 (and DCS) at a pin sharp 3440x1440 34" UltraWide monitor at a mix of Very High/Ultra setting at an average of 45-65 FPS on my i9-9900K & RTX 2080Ti while awaiting the RTX 3080Ti. I've been playing VR games for the past 8 months, I know what is sharp enough or fast enough - for my eyes - after playing PC games for the past few decades.
For all the naysayers, I've got it working for an enjoyable if not optimum experience on a Ryzen 5 2600 and a gtx 1060 6g. and a WMR headset HP G1. Took quite a bit of tweaking, but I got there. So if you've got better specs than mine, stop complaining and get tweaking. It's definitely doable!! That said, I will be upgrading my Graphics card sooner rather than later.
What are you running for settings then? I'm on a 3800x and 1080ti, I can get it to around 30 frames locked, but I really need it at 45 (1/2 rate).
Munky332 I’ve just followed the advice on these videos. I’m running OpenXR at 70 with projection off. In game render also at 70. Most other things at low. Some medium. Turning reflections off helped. You still get reflections funny enough. And you don’t need 45fps. I’m getting 30fps most of the time and it is smooth. I am not on a high res headset though. My resolution is 2880 x 1440
@@brin57 eh, I Need 45 frames. Running at 30 with reprojection just doesn't do it for me. It's too juddery
You might want to turn settings from high to medium, I have a RTX 3080 and Intel i9 9900k, Graphic settings medium to low, texture and volumetric clouds on high, with reverb G2 on 70 render scale. Running locked at 30fps, looks great runs smooth.
Can't expect much more than that when the sim runs at less than 60fps on 4k high settings on flatscreen.
They did an amazing job, and the future I'm sure will bring more optimization and more fps 🤞
That hardware and you need to run on low settings and you say they did a amezing job LOL you might as well say that cyberpunk is a perfectly fine running game
@@Spiritwonder420The settings that are low are detailed grass and reflections, keeping in mind Flight sim 2020 fps depends on what aircraft you fly and what location you are at, I run locked at 30fps worse case scenario, say in a massive airport with photogrammetry buildings. In areas with less building or aircraft that have less graphics impact I can stay steady on 45fps.
Like I said I'm sure when the game is optimised better, we will get better performance flatscreen and VR.
I think next generation games\sims are not designed to run everything at max settings at 60fps or 90 fps for VR, even with next gen hardware, for what i have learnt is that its so the games stay compatible and a better experience even say 5 years time when the next generation of hardware is released.
@@MrMatthew1992 that's still no excuse for vr the norm Is 90 frames to not get sick enough other games like elite dangerous did this year's ago and just because this is a sim dos not mean it has to run terrible
@@Spiritwonder420I think Microsoft Flight sim, which has photogrammetry and the whole earth to explore with the best graphics I have seen, is very different to any other simulation or game out there today. You could put all setting to low and it still would blow any other flight simulator out of the water.
I agree with needing 90fps to eliminate motion sickness, but for simulations, 45 or 30fps would feel perfectly fine for many people, I think 90fps is a must if you are playing a game where your character is moving or for fast paced games. But simulations where you are just moving your head is fine to be running reprojection at to get 45 or 30fps.
I don't think we would get to a time where you can 90fps on microsoft flight in vr, especially not on high settings and on a reverb G2 at 100 percent render scale.
The main problem is that you have some very pricey graphic card, which are unable to manage 4K resolution...It's not only an Asobo's problem. Graphic Card are too expensive, and too weak for the new needs !
When I first tried it, it was awful. Then I tried settings from flight sim forums and it was pretty awesome in a small plane. I7 9700k / 2080ti.
Care to share the settings?
@@proxlamuz4591 forums.flightsimulator.com/t/my-2070-super-vr-settings-and-suggestions-valve-index/321913
@@GizmoMaltese thank you
Hmm tried everything in the suggestions. My i7-7700k / 3080 is pushing 22fps and "limited by mainthread". Not good.
@@proxlamuz4591 msfs 2020 is very much CPU limited. Your i7 7700k is the main problem. But even a great CPU will only do a little better.
Did you disable motion smoothing and reduce the render scale to 70 but boost the steam VR ss to 150?
Does it run relatively smoothly? That's the best you'll get.
They really need to add that mouse behavior to flat screen mode, too!
I was thinking the same thing!
Hey X-check!
Use the oculus tray tool and use ASW mode at 18hz.
I am running 9900k 1080ti and I can almost run max graphics settings on rift s and it’s a great experience !
Hope it helps as much as it did me :)
I am playing with a 2060, original HTC Vive, and HOTAS which blew my mind. Its been my #1 VR experience so far, and for any HP Reverb G2 owners I'm curious on your experience. With the original Vive its impossible to read any small text, plus the screen door effect diminishes the realism. Still a must try for any VR owners.
I dont play it on my oculus. You cant even read things on the glass instruments. Its fun but not good (sharp) enough for me
get the hp reverb g2 or even g1. its very sharp
Sam here, I just can’t read the panels.
The ASW part is messy because its role IS to have smooth movement while at 40FPS, if your game runs at 70, ASW will force it to 40 and then drop 1/2 frames, which is normal. Alyx is a fully VR game optimized to run at 80 FPS, ASW has nothing to do here since the game runs at the expected 80FPS most of the time.
With your current graphical settings, it seems your game doesn't reach the 40 FPS required for ASW to work properly, it is at 35 FPS inside your cockpit, therefore ASW is lost and cannot reproject correctly, hence the multiple artefacts you got. Try to at least have your framerate at 40FPS, or you can may be try Oculus Tray Tool which allows you to force ASW to run at lower FPS than 40. (or 45 if your max is 90)
Performance for me hasn't really been an issue. My specs are a core core i5-9600k OC and watercooled, 16GB DRR4-3200MHz RAM, and an RTX 3070. My problems come with oculus link being SUPER buggy, which I experience pretty much everywhere. I am going to be switching to the Reverb G2, whenever that comes at least, and hopefully that'll be better. The warped frames seemed to be more of an oculus link problem than anything. Whenever I get those, I simply unplug my headset, disabling link, and plug it back it. This fixes the issue, so I'm skeptical that oculus link needs some work for games or sims like this...
UPDATE: I got my HP Reverb G2 in today and tested it in MSFS. It ran very smoothly, and I was even streaming it on discord, which will usually tank performance. Seems to me that the bad VR is just an Oculus problem...
5900x, rtx3080. High on all, with ultra on clouds. 130 resolution, 150 on details. 40fps - quest 2
Not in John kenedy airport with a320neo🤣
How do you launch it with Quest 2? Oculus Link with a usb cable or Virtual Desktop?
@@nunosantos2015 i must admit the airbusses do suck more FPS... and needs some tweaking.
I'm playing on a 2070 super with valve index and haven't had any issues. My experience has been amazing.
What are your graphics settings?
@@Eldoo I don't actually know. Never changed anything. And my pc has died as of this morning so I can't check. Sorry I'm off no help.
Check out a couple of the VRFlightsim guys latest videos on MSFS 2020 VR he goes over some settings he's used to greatly improve the VR experience after flying the VR Beta version 50 hours.
He might be helpful for you!
I've not even set up my msfs 2020 yet but now that VR is out and with some of his input I'll be working on mine too. Good luck!
I can't find that channel
@@DerekMoore82 Heres a link to it. I'm pretty sure he's done 2 videos about it but this one goes thru his settings fir VR in MSFS 2020. He's been posting alot of great videos and is very helpful. Good luck to you and Merry Christmas!!!
VR Flightsim Guy's channel
ruclips.net/video/jReDq1ingXI/видео.html
You can lock the mouse by pressing the center scroll wheel down on the button your using. This will keep the button from moving off.
Wow! It gets even better! Thanks Josh!
I've flown flights in real life and reconstructed them on VR. Pc is Ryzen 2700x 3000mhz 16 GB ram with 1080ti. On occulus quest 2 and it's amazing. I've played games and suffered motion sickness. But nothing on this. Yes resolution could be improved but flying in "unimproved" areas (Scotland) I'm in awe!
Same issue for me. Oculus quest 2 via link, 3090 fe, i9 9900k, 32gb 3600 ram. 😢
DCS has had years as well the touch controllers support. So you can do same as VTOL VR does. The difference is that in DCS the 3D pilot model doesn't move or react to your body.
This is problem that needs fixing. As when you move your head to look mirror, your mirror vision is zoomed as your head doesn't move as body doesn't move. Your head will turn and nod, but that is it. ED needs to add dynamic hands from the shoulders and start making head/upper torso to move by the HMD.
Man..... I was so excited when vr support came out and adversely, so disappointed when I tried it. I guess it's not just me! subscribing...thanks
Thanks! Really hoping it gets better... soon...
Agreed, and with the 1080p res in my Vive it looks terrible as well.
🤣
It did on my Vive too until I turned off Motion Smoothing in the Steam VR settings. Runs really well on my OC’d 6700K and 1080ti with most settings at high now.
@@howardt7320 awesome pc spec you got there Amey!
Have you tried disabling ASW? I can handle ~30-40fps in VR flight sims like you, and so disabling ASW has eliminated all the weirdness, making it much more enjoyable to play.
You can force ASW off in the Oculus debug tool.
I don't measure performance - I'm only interested in how it feels. On an Intel CPU it ran very well for me..... BUT.... The graphics in the mid and long distance were garbage, no auto-gen whatsoever. Surprisingly, the clouds looked kind of 2d (unlike X-Plane) and they had weird triangular artefacting around the edges. On my system, in VR, X-Plane 11 Vulcan runs much better and can be run on maximum graphical settings, so I get horizon to horizon autogen. When coupled to using the VR controllers, it really improves your spatial awareness of the aircraft - plus in X-Plane 11 you can walkaround - literally anywhere! I will see if I can do some more tweaking, but for me, at this time, X-Plane-11 is a much better experience in VR!
No doubt FS will catch up soon. They are doing a great job with their regular monthly updates to the simulator.
Great video, strangely enough I didn't have the same experience. I played for about 3 hours last night, in all fairness about one and a half of those hours were spent tweaking the settings because I wanted to run the game on ultra settings and MSFS20 clearly had different ideas. However, once I cleared up the constant crashing and freezing apparently due to high settings, I spent the final hour and a half flying over the dreaded frame eater known as NYC at night. Again, not the smoothest experience I've had first time playing a game in VR but I didn't get sick or notice any major issues when I got it to actually stop crashing. While it was crashing though I did notice that it would stop for 1 to 3 seconds and the screen would turn black then return, not sure if they did that on purpose. I'm going to give it another go tonight and hope that no new issues occur. **I may not have the tool you are using via Oculus though. My specs are below in case anyone wondered.
RTX-3090 (manually overclocked)
i7-97K
32gb RAM
After consecutive crashing on ultra, I tuned the settings mostly high (buildings, trees, grass, clouds, waves) with just about everything else on low
Thanks Adebowale! I also will dedicate more time messing with settings all around, maybe I will be able to find a sweet spot. So far no luck...
I have to say I disagree but admittedly I spent a good chunk of time testing the settings etc and optimising. Once this is complete the experience is very comfortable.
Small planes & light aircraft work best since there isn't the CPU load from glass cockpits etc. I fly the A320 Flybywire most of the time - VR in this plane works fine but settings have to be lowered somewhat, the focus on the cockpit systems means you don't really feel the low settings but still experience the VR sensation.
System is 5900X + 2070S + 32GB RAM + Rift S
Im using 3060ti with reverb g2 and openXR. rendering @70 is aweome.
What cpu/mem you using?
@@stealthuk4421 32gb mem and 9600k at 5ghz overclock
Something's up dude! I've got a 3800x and RTX3080 with an Odyssey+ and it's lovely
DCS (besides the Mariana Map) works better (lights, clouds etc) than FS. FS it hit a little hard the core. In the other hand, FS looks amazing (the details of a cockpit are insane, and DCS..well..it looks for sure pretty -depends on the aircraft- but isnt handle quiet well. But the worst aspect i believe are the mountains, the landmarks in DCS are extremely well made until you find a triangular mountain, straight lines everywere. That little detail makes FS more pleasent to watch in some scenarios. Hope both games take notes of pros and cons of their product.
I bought this on Monday and started installing on Wednesday. It’s still installing! I bought it for the VR and was hoping it would work. Thank you for the heads up
it works amazingly well with some tweaks, what graphics card are you on?
@@AndrewDaniele87 I have completely reinstalled Windows 10 pro from scratch. Did all of the updates and it still gets to a point and hangs. While hung up it maxes out my GPU for days. Hate to see my power bill next month.
I'm running a GTX 980Ti 6GB on a 3.1 GHz Xenon proc (2687w) with 32GB or memory
Serious question. Did you really expect a superb performance in the first rollout of a DX11 based application when VR was implemented? Or was it just a good opportunity to get some views? Give it some time. If there is one title out there that will make it eventually, it's this one.
Hi X-CHECK trust what your system and MSFS can produce - VR performs great for me, have you given up?
I disabled motion projection from OpenXR it made me sick with it's artifacts and bad updating. I changed the OpenXR scaling down to 70%. I did the same thing in MSFS for render scaling 70%, graphical options around medium and I can tell you now it is smooth in non built up areas like New York but I can fly jets comformtably in Seattle and London also so that's ok too. Oh I have a G2 (the image is still very clear with the render scale changes) and a Intel 9900K @ 4.4Ghz and Asus 2080 Ti.
So as you can see you should be able to get great performance on your rig with a Quest 2 and the fact you can't just tells me you've not understood how to get the best out of a new sim. You can absolutely enjoy VR in this sim on a wider veriety of systems and this video tellls me that you don't think that's possible. I hope you find what's holding back YOUR VR experience in MSFS because as you stated it can be a truely wonderful experience.
Maybe to put it in context, this is way more playable for me than when VR was released on X-Plane with the same rig. In X-Plane I couldn't fly around London with TrueEarth (there really wasn't any point using VR in X-Plane without TrueEarth tbh) but the Vulkan update really made VR possible in X-Plane and now I love it. I think many more improvements can come in software and of course with Xbox consoles getting an MSFS release with DirectX 12 Ultimate support in the summer - that surely will help on the PC side as well.
And oh yeah Merry Christmas to you and your family, thanks for some wonderful videos this year!
Hey David! How have you been? Merry Christmas!
So yeah, I still have messed with this a bit.
Definitely went on and disabled AWS on Oculus, and made sure Reprojection was disabled in OpenXR. That resulted in a experience that didn't make me sick, but the reprojection artifacts now changed tovertical or horizontal blurriness depending on the axis I turn my head. That ended up now giving me eye strain and a headache lol.
If I lower the settings enough, inside the cockpit the framerates can be reasonable as to not have so much blur when looking around, but when taking off and looking outside the window, all close objects are a tremendous blur.
And of course, everything looks well... crappy... And there are some weird artifacts that occur in the scenery through the propeller, and my cockpit now and then disappears for a single frame.
I want to enjoy this, but I just can't. I may be just too sensitive. Maybe the fact that I play VR almost everyday with other titles, and I am used to a certain level of experience is what really makes this unbearable to me.
I appreciate your comment, I really wish I was able to enjoy the sim as you currently do, but it seems I will have to wait for a bit more optimization. I will still mess with the setting now and then. I will also hope there comes an NVIDIA driver that helps with this situation. But things as they currently are... Nope...
My biggest issue is not performance, but the fact that cockpit scale is wrong. The cockpits appear up to 20% smaller in VR then they actually are in real life. I am a Cessna 172 pilot with hundreds of hours in the 172R and 172S. The VR scale of the cockpit is just plain wrong.
Out of curiosity, if you turn down the graphics details far enough, combined with scaling, do you eventually get enough performance for these problems to go away? If so I'm curious to see how the sim looks at that point :)
It’s great even on the lowest settings. Default scaling was set to 80%.
Its all about getting the settings right. Using OpenXR rather than Steam made the biggest difference to me. I have a 10900k and 2080 super.......in a laptop I will add and can run it smooth at 100%res, with my quest 2 turned up to 1.7 supersampling and even with openxr at 150%. Runs smooth looks super clear and is amazing. Using mix of med high and ultra in game settings. Things like reflections are set to low as are shadows
"So much for getting VR right. Right?"
Wrong. Trust me. Taking time to tweak your setting along with some other tricks in the registry and Open XR makes a huge difference. Good luck.
yeah it's working amazingly well for me after the tweaks that the community had suggested, I can run water/reflections/windshield all maxed out (I really like the reflection of the cockpit on the windshield on ultra, so that's why I prioritized that lol)
Do you have a link to a tutorial for that tweaks. I do have the same experience as X-check with a Ryzen 3900x (OC), fast 32GB RAM and my RTX 3080. It´s playable but makes no fun that why in VR (Headset Index). If I had to guess.. it feels that I am at around 50% of the performance that I need to make it fun to fly in VR.
Sort of like how Xplane is really awesome and looks great, just need a few hundred dollars more in add-ons and a couple PCs and the highest stable overclocked intel CPUs you can find.
Just did my first flight in VR with the C172 on a short night flight and I found the experience positive. I had only a couple of issues that were pretty minor. Ran smoothly and no issues controlling the plane though I could see some room for improvement to make it super fluid. I would say it's a great first step. I'm running a AMD 2600 with AMD 5700 and 16gig of RAM and the hard drive is M2 NVME 1TB. I'm using a Samsung Odessey $300.
I must have lower standards than a lot of people or under analyzing things, but i’m enjoying the heck out of playing VR on my potato-like i7 4970K, 32 Gb DDR3 1866 mhz, 1660TI, Samsung Odyssey+. Does it stutter when i do a close flyby of manhattan..sure, but other than that it is pretty smooth...daylight, sunset, or dark. I bought it fully intending to return it within the 2 hour limit given my system, but i was very surprised/happy.
That is awesome man! Truth is, people have different level of sensitivity, and VR is a very subjective matter, what for someone can be utterly unplayable, for someone else can just be perfect. My body just cant handle the issues that come along with low frame-rates, artifacts and blurriness either makes me super dizzy or gives me a good old fashioned headache.
yeah i can dogfight in war thunder seemingly endlessly on my quest 2 with no side effects. that being said, i dont drop below 90fps in war thunder. thats the difference.
You can turn of ASW in the oculus config tool thingy (I forgot the name there is a dev tool -> looked it up.. Oculus Debug Tool) ... Don't know if that works for you... I was so disappointed with the current state of VR that I didn't even get to 10 minutes.. I was totally annoyed that it didn't center right. And I couldn't get it to center right (and if it's not right my inner ear thingy (your balance sensor so to speak) will start to object like it did with you).. k maybe it was a bit more then 10 min (just tinkering with settings) but I never actually got it to a point that I wanted to fly with it... But I just know you can turn off ASW. And I thought it might help... My guess is you just end up with a really choppy framerate...
I'm with you on the "I don't need the touch controllers".. I actually don't even want to use them in a flight sim... a lot of how I play is with a Hotas and the stupid things always get in the way drop off the desk when not using them... I love not having to use them... But Ima do what you did.. Just forget VR launched until it's better.
I think when MSFS updates the Game Engine to DX12 I think VR Performance could be better
Since you have a decent system and Rift S, just lock the sim via OTT to 18 or 30fps, and with ASW it will be 80fps in the headset. It's a bit stuttery here on my system (8086k and 1080 8gb), but I can run scenery at high. The only issue is shaky headtracking with Oculus and OpenXR, not sure how to solve that.
Thank you for being honest! I really don't understand other reviewers (with lower PC specs!) saying it's an UNBELIEVABLE experience which IS NOT!:) I can only say bad words about it after spending many hours tweaking my settings and I know what I'm doing. If you want an UNBELIEVABLE experience try Alyx, Aerofly FS2, VTOL or even X-PLANE, then come back to MSFS sweet nightmare. Ryzen 5600x/32GB/RTX3070/G2 headset - struggling to get stable 30fps for motion rep. even at half resolution! This is ridiculous. What's the point of lowering the settings to make it playable and resonably smooth but look like sh...t?:)C'mon ASOBO - you screwed it up! For serious simmers, this "pretty looking game" is a big NO at the moment.
@Gulf Island Aviator I FIGURED IT OUT!!! My God! After so many hours I can finally say it's AMAZING! What I did was switching from OpenXR Dev tools to SteamVR environment (!!!) plus studying this post: forums.flightsimulator.com/t/my-2070-super-vr-settings-and-suggestions-valve-index/321913/148 . I did some changes to Nvidia CPL panel too. You have to launch MSFS first (!) with WMR window/SteamVR closed (!). After launching the sim, press CTR+TAB and go into VR mode. Guys I can run this now at FULL RES 2236x2192 with ultra clouds, medium settings at 35-40FPS fluid! I have no idea why it didn't worked with OpenXR dev.tools and motion reprojection! It's a night and day difference now!
Does not appear to work correctly on the Oculus Rift S. If they get that fixed it will be extremely realistic. It works except there is a black circle in the view.
After a bit of tweaking and disabling ASW I get good performance in most scenarios, no artifacts, and no nausea. R5 3600, RTX2070 Super, 16gb RAM. I think it's a good start and will only continue to improve, hopefully with the addition of motion controller support.
ASW issues to me are a symptom of the problem, not the cause of it. I have tried removing ASW, yup, the artifacts are gone, but in its place comes motion blur. Lots of it. Nausea indeed falls drastically, but eye strain and headaches sky rocket for me :/
Hi Dave got the same specs but with 32gb 3200 ram. On which settings are you playing ? Medium?
Compared to other VR games, the head tracking in FS2020 wasn't good enough for me to fully enjoy it (Rift CV1), and the scale didn't seem right as well. I'm guessing that CV1 isn't officially supported and therefore won't work as intended.
This is all interesting and I am shocked to hear you are having issues on your Quest 2 with the hardware you have to drive Q2!!
I am running a Nvidia1660 super and of course it can not drive the Quest 2 beyond 1080p. Any settings beyond that creates a very unpleasant slide show. I was going to buy a 3080 to fix my Q2 performance issues but I think I will hold off until performance issues get resolve. In the mean time my 1660 super is driving my old Rift headset just fine with a lot of high and Ultra settings. Not the best resolution but very playable. I can snap my head around and the scene changes quickly and smoothly. I am loving the flight experience at 1080p. Looking forward to more resolution though..
IMO VR is very much a game changer in FS2020 as well. Doing the Yosemite bush trip in VR is absolutely amazing. The situational awareness is a whole other level. I have an older system with a GTX1080 (not TI) and a HP Reverb G1 (2x4k) and setting the render scale to 70-80 makes this quite smooth. No way I'm going back to 2d. I am a RL private pilot and without the ability to look around freely its nowhere near real.
I have a RTX2060 and before the London update I was getting 40fps in cockpit and 50-60 in external. The performance is a mess.
right ctrl+0 or right ctrl+1 with the quest/quest 2 to turn off the ASW, its worth it.
19 years later, I put my butt back in a simulator ... What was my job for 11 years, would not appeal to me. I was waiting for the VR to be sufficiently mature to get back to it.
War Thunder, DCS, VTol VR ... and now, finally! FS2020!
With VR, the immersion is there ... The flaws too, I find myself wanting to select buttons ... not accessible ... Argh ... The confusion between the desire to touch the real buttons, and having to do with palliatives ...
graphically with 4k on a flat screen, we could be happy: 8.3mp seen by each of our eyes .... but in VR, visual acuity is reduced ... by two .., one eye has only 3.75mp on the Quest2, a little bit insufficient ...
20 years later, the technology is not yet there, to have its simulation close to reality at home (without the G)
I think the Hotas recipe is not suitable for this generation of aircraft and this imaging technique ... VR is good for warbirds, not on buttonhole planes ... The Hotas, it's good with a 4K screen ... but we know now, that the immersion level, it sucks.
In VR, those who have tried Vtol Vr have understood the fun of touching the buttons with the "fingers", but the virtual stick has its limits ... in my opinion, you need a real joystick in the right hand, and in the left hand a Oculus Touch controller magnetized on a linear guide rail.
The idea being to take a normal throttle, to free it from the handle and on the potentiometer to put a magnetic base there.
We therefore control the throttle with the Oculus Touch installed and when we need to operate a button, we do so by raising our hand (the controller).
Autonomously, the Quest2 allows the identification of hands and the pitch of the fingers, if this function existed with the link (connected to the PC), then it will be great! We could press the buttons with a full hotas, coupled with the "voice attack" program and its vocal commands, we would then have the panacea.
i7-7700/ 2070/16 gb ram/ Rift2 = Runs smooth
You say it's subjective and then put "terrible?" in the title. Terrible for people that don't take the time to optimize their settings.
Maybe try that before doing a review.
3090 and an o+...feels fine to me. Dcs mfd/ddi/screens what have you are miles easier to read and way more clear, but this feels a good start..reverb coming Monday so will see how much clear it is
I play on Ultra settings in VR and dont' loose any performance from vr settings. I get some bad hitching when loads come in or initial lag loading a city. However, I get 40fps in oculus on vr mode and 40fps on Ultra settings on a 3080, even in new york. So if you running current gen hardware you should be fine running this game on ultra settings in vr.
You must have an ungodly weak stomach, I did a four-hour flight through turbulence and IMC conditions and it never felt better. I actually felt like I was shooting a real ILS approach again after 15 years. I'm using the Reverb T2 on an MSI g65 stealth and don't really run into too much of what you're talkin about
PC settings to 200 and forget the rest (OpenXR/NIS etc)... VR experience including frame rate, smoothness, clarity and bugs much better since I stopped using all the developer tools which caused much problems with experience. Set the PC controls to default then change 1 thing... rendering scale resolution to 200 (max) and then fly in VR. Oh, within VR Settings mine are set at resolution 80 and Terrain level of detail and Objects Level Detail to 100... Ryzen 5 5600G, 32G RAM, RTX 3060
I dropped the values for shadows shimmer, and sunspots. This fixed the jumping for me. Fresh budget build just for the game and oculus but only slightly over the minimum game reps.
If they reduce the graphics details, both the resolution and the frame rate can be improved. That's what they do for all the games written for Quest 2. Whether VR is there or not really depends on what resolution and what graphics details you want. You can have a very smooth experience for all VR games without any motion sickness even today. A resolution of 1080p was considered to be very good in the past, but now people want 4k, and then 8k, .. LOL BTW, our vision isn't really digital. So, if you want VR to be like reality, you need to simulate our real vision. There are still some differences people can notice when comparing DVD and plastic LP audio. :) Our perceptions and senses are kind of analog, not digital.
The problem you show at around 7 minute mark only happens to me when I have pressed space bar to recenter VR. Don’t do that and re center manually with the arrow keys and that won’t happen. At least for me. I get between 25-30 fps in VR with ultra settings. I have similar performance on my computer except for the GPU (using an RTX 2080ti), so you should be able to run the game better than that.
Edit: The issue for me gas been solved by using the beta version of the Oculus software
I don't know who tried this but once you are sit on your vr airplane on the cockpit try to leave the airplane like you do in real life, so stand up and moving on the left, you would be outside the airplane, you can walk standing on the airport looking your airplane from outside like in the real life, I found this mind blowing, like "I'm standing in front of a cessna!", you can check your airplane, wheels, fusolage, wings flaps, transparents, and most of important looking around the airport, and try this once you're flying, you put the sim in pause then you get up and you moving outside the aiplane. And you look down 😂 it's absolutely fantastic, I have done this flying over Venezia and wow!
I agree, I did all this 2 years ago with Oculus Rift and AeroFly FS 2, so far the best performing VR flight simulator, even with RTX1070, the performance is smooth, of course its not as amazing as MFS20, in terms of graphics, but the cockpit looks very detailed, and that’s what’s important....
Amazing here. G2 & pimax 8kx, 3090, 128g 3200 ram, core i9 10k, 16g SSD
Does anyone else find it hard to read the numbers on the gauges / instruments in VR. Whilst I love the immersion, I find it really trciky to read small numbers on the instruments, it seems like the resolution is not enough in my Dell Visor WMR headset?
Did you trying hitting the right mouse button to make it zoom in?
Thanks! That solves that problem!
hahahaha this end... kills me :D im 100% with you. thats not the VR experience what we looking for a chilling flight simulation. aerofly runs on my 3070 on ultra + 1.2 SS, with some DLC´s its looking fantastic and smooth holy... for fs2020 we have still waiting for an update or a new cpu / gpu generation in 5 years :D
By the way it is possible to turn ASW off using ctrl+num1 I find that ASW is nice if I am already able to run the game well but if I am not maintaining a good framerate and ASW is running all the time then it looks better off.
One word - Aerofly FS2 - I have a low-mid level GPU/CPU and the Reverb G1 and Aerofly works in Max Settings with fluid fps
I use track balls to replace mouse easy to find and wont move around
Not tested yet with my PC. But if it's not VR, it's not a flight simulator IMHO. There's no chance for a monitor if you want to fly. I'll stay with x-plane 11, dcs, il-2, all amazing experiences in VR. But I hope a compromise between graphics and performance is possible even in FS2020.
Just started flying in it this week in VR. So far 3.4Ghz, GTX 1980 card, 16 megs of ram, it looks pretty good. A little choppy at times, but amazing none the less. the UI is really good cockpit renders are really good. My one complaint, . I wish they would give you at least 1 military jet in the game, but the selection of planes is not bad. Overall its pretty good.
The only reason I haven't bought this yet (not for VR for self evident reasons) is that I'm still on a 2gb GTX 960 and I'm not buying a card at 4x the cost. What it does is impressive, but holy hell that performance demand.
I suppose they aren't doing that Nvidia VR thing that's supposed to only actually render what's displayed in the headset to save performance? Nvidia announced that, everyone was hyped, and then it disappeared.
Also, 9:48 ...this... means something!
you need to force ASW to always on for this game, makes for a much better experience (I'm using a 2070 with some settings on ultra, reflections, windshield, etc.)
if someone interested, running this on a 1060 and a i5 8400. its greatly playable and looks ok - good.
I’m running 1060 6gb and i7 but it loads up outside the plane with a black square I can’t get it working but ty for your comment
@@jamescos3267 had a similar problem with my oculus, had to update to the beta version of the oculus software to solve it
@@siligarocraft ty again I will try that merry Xmas and have a great new year-tc
I got myself an Oculus Quest 2... So it's really nice that I can try this out soon when I get a new PC.
Hope it exceeds your expectations! c:
Do you get like a net layer in the foreground of the oculus s rcmies?
How you think I can improve the resolution that is pretty good but I see threw the headset like a small net? :)
@@yannisspyrakis6098 look at today's vr flight guy video for ones with rift issues
@@ellonysman which one? Do you have a link Steve? :)
HP Reverb VR is fine to me. I've canceled Oculus after the first rift. Also you can switch almost instantly from decktop to VR. And it's the first release with VR they will do better. I remember DCS first release with VR...
We only can use a mouse? How can you fly with a mouse? My Thrustmaster HOTAS controller wouldn't work with this?
its a very demanding game and the only solution i see works the is unoffical is to disconnect the main display after the game runs in vr, that will elminate all the unnecessary extra weight, its not ideal but you will notice the improvement of the vr experience.
With the complexity of Microsoft flight simulator 2020 I can't see the VR implementation reaching glory Heights untill they implement Direct X12 and DLSS. You can get a smooth performing set up but the sacrifices you have to make in quality are a little bit much still, we should be thankful and let's hope asobo/Microsoft quickly get to grips with the the performance issues.
The VR implementation was quite crap, but so was the control setup. My main issue is that everything warps and fucks up when I look around. DCS is exponentially better in that regard. In DCS, I feel like I am in an ugly, but real place. In MSFS, I feel like I am flying a beautiful fake plane over a fake landscape.
I want to check this out soon but sounds like the Steam VR version has these performance issues you mentioned if on the latest Nvidia drivers. Hopefully Nvidia will fix soon. But might as well try the Windows Store version on game pass!
that's the route I went, amazing to experience this for a dollar for 3 months lol
Just my opinion, the clarity of the cockpit could be better, and it has flickering issues at times that make your eyes go nuts. Using Quest 2 as well. It needs help.
That's quite interesting. I'm rather prone to locomotion issues in VR related to performance... but I have none in MSFS2020 VR mode on HTC Vive. And my HW is rather mediocre.
Yep can't say I've experienced any of the problems in msfs that you've mentioned in your video, I'm running on a I9 cpu 32gb of memory and a 1660 ti graphics card on medium graphic settings and using an acer Windows mixed reality headset set at 1080p, frame rates are smooth and can endure quite sometime in vr I must've spent 3 hrs this morning just flying around in the m20 ovation
Thanks man, I really feel the same. It is a kind of alpha version experience. I think in a year it will be fine, but after 5h tweaking several settings I have a almost playable VR situation, but it does not feel very nice, I can play it 15min or so, before my eyes cannot take it anymore and my stomach neither. Half Life Alyx I can play for hours. It’s a good start, but a long long way to go. Maybe Dx12 will fix some performance problems
Pretty rough, but I am sure it will get better c:
For performance issues, I’ll be it’s your 3900X the issue. Zen 2 CPUs especially (Intel and Zen 3 have the same issue in some places but it’s better I think) are bottlenecking the 30 series GPUs for this sim (I have a 3700X + 3080), due to the single-threaded ness. Mine runs fine but yeah this sim is too single threaded dependent (regardless of CPU).
Don’t upgrade it tho, try turning up render scaling to push the load to the GPU
How low of a render scale do u think I’d have to run on to get a 40fps average on a 2060 with i7 9750 lol
super low! I have the Quest 2 and a 2060... I run it at 60%... and all other settings at low/medium, and it's playable (not sure if its 40fps).
I mean the only settings that work for me with my Rift CV1 and GTX970 are the the absolute lowest settings (apart from being able to bump it to 30% render scale... woo!) Also I have an i7 4790S but I think it's the GPU that affects VR the most here.
@@miranda.cooper yup... My 2060 was pegged at 99% once I bumped my settings up a bit.
I think it's the stuttering that causes the problems. 10900K and 3090 gives 30fps on default VR settings,but it can be nausea inducing. Going to try VR Flightsimguy's suggestions.
Hahaha exactly how I felt about running DCS in VR on my old 1070.. "no self respect here" lol
VR DCS