I'm impressed by the Arteon both in its looks and in its driving dynamics. When VW brought it to the US in 2019 Herbert Diess, VW's CEO said in an interview that he didn't expect to sell many in the US but wanted to show American consumers what VW stood for in Europe. In fact, now that VW has announced it will not sell the base Golf in the US for at least the next two years, the only VW's that closely resemble their Europspec counterparts are the GTI, the Golf R and the Arteon. (The Arteon sedan lacks several engine choices and the DSG available in Europe but it's otherwise virtually identical to the European version.) I agree with Alex that the tuning of the engine in the R version would be a delight, especially in the AWD version. But since it's the same EA888 motor as the GTI, Golf R, as well as in the American version of the Tiguan and the Passat in various states of engine and turbo tuning, a Stage I ECU will provide substantially more HP and torque than the stock Arteon with HP over 300 and torque at a similar level. And contrary to claims to the contrary a third party tune does not invalidate the VW warranty unless a problem can be shown to result directly from the tuning mod. For a Stage 1 tune that's very, very rare. In any event, the stock Arteon is no slouch. If you've never driven one you're likely to be surprised by its performance. In terms of evaluating the Arteon it's important to keep in mind the difference between Americans' and Europeans' conception of "performance." Americans invented drag racing; Europeans invented rallies. In America a "road race" is likely to be NASCAR with cars going round and round an oval where turning left is a primary task. European road racing is more likely to be on actual public roads or circuits designed to emulate them. For Americans "performance" metrics begin and usually end with 0-60 acceleration and straight line quarter mile times. Europeans often think of "performance" in terms of cruising at more than 100 mph (the "tonne") in comfort for hours on superbly maintained highways. For that mission the Arteon is an appealing candidate. Finally, as far as price is concerned, here in the Seattle area dealers are offering current top trim AWD Arteons at around $38K to $40K, a price that makes it an appealing alternative to a top trim Accord or Camry. If I were in the market for such a vehicle, the Arteon would be at the top of my list.
Just purchased my arteon an love everything about it. It has all the power I need to pass or merge into traffic. I like that I have something thats different from everyone else an hope vw continues to make sedans. I left chvy for thats reason. I can't wait to see how the 4 motion douse in the winter. This car has style an what I need living in the NY snow belt.
Wagons have a much better centre of gravity than crossovers, which makes a wagon a better-handling car than a crossover. Wagons aren't the old LTD Crown Victoria or Caprice of yore now.
I work at a VW dealer and we have had our 2019 Arteons for a full year now and they won't move because no one knows about them! They're beautiful but VW has done nothing to advertise them.. so frustrating!
That explains why I didn't even know this model was for sale in the US until watching this video. When the video started, I was wondering why Alex was reviewing a car that's not even sold in the US. But, the European plates kind of fooled me too.
I don't know why most reviews don't call out something obvious - this is a cheaper Audi A5 Sportback, which is an excellent car. The body is almost exactly the same except for the VW styling, same engine, and tons of the exterior and interior parts are from the Audi parts bin. Alex touched on it a bit here, but only a bit.
I'd will buy one if there is a shooting brake with a V8. Another guy I know will definitely buy 3 if there was a shooting brake in his favorite shade of pink. And the wish list goes on !!
Ford has an interesting solution to keeping exhausts clean on the new Explorer. The exhaust pipes are routed downward before the end of the visual pipes so that exhaust still comes out of them as a whole but soot doesn’t get them dirty. It’s kinda hard to describe. Just google it
Wow! You actually said "imitation leathter" which is spot on - over at Redwhine Reviews, Sandrip says "leatherette". He's wrong and he's masking the "fake leather" aspect which is vinyl or a composite of that. Your review is more informative and is better composed - you don't make yourself the center of attention like Sandrip does and that is a great thing - full screen b-roll is not a bad thing. Once again you are one of the best reviewers on the internet and make up for amateurs with bad edits over at Redwhine. Keep up the great work!
Did they announce a release day? The 2019 Arteon was delayed heavily. I bought my 2019 Arteon with significant discounts because it had been sitting on a dealer lot nearby. Coming from a 2017 A4, I love it. Seeing the updates the 2021, there's a lot of merit in it, but I can't help but feel a little dissuaded by the touch controls for audio, steering wheel, and climate controls. I think they'll work fine and give it a clean look. I do like the updated badging and would enjoy having lane centering. Also, if the 2021 model comes with their more robust mobile app experience, that would be an awesome addition.
Anyone who has watched the Tour de France on TV will see oodles of wagons parked at the side of the road and being used a support vehicles. Europeans just love wagons but unfortunately the U.S. and up here in Canada not so much. The 3 series wagon will no longer be sold in Canada but on the upside we get the C class Mercedes wagon including the awesome AMG C43 wagon. And Volvo will sell you a V90 without the lift kit and silly spats around the wheel arches (Cross Country). But there is a rumour (yes, that's how it's spelled) that Americans can get a non Cross Country V90 if you ask your local dealer nicely and pay full sticker of course as it's a custom order. On the other hand you may be the only one in your state who has one. Rarer than a Bugatti!
Right!? Eeek, VW just made a stupid move and they must have some "yes men" at their company because whoever let them get away with doing that should be fired!
Arteon is an excellent car. Really enjoyed the extended test drive I had, but it's a little too pokey, needs the VR6 or at least another 25% more power to be competitive and of course the price nearing $50k doesn't make a lot of sense either. It's a shame as it was a very enjoyable car but not competitive at it's price.
It doesn't need higher power. I think the power issue is a symptom of the US market only getting higher powered versions of other cars because cars are generally much cheaper. A Mercedes C180 (1.6 litre 4 cylinder turbo), BMW 318i (1.5 litre 3 cylinder turbo) and Audi A4 1.4 tfsi (1.4 litre 4 cylinder turbo) all make around 156hp and cost the same as the equivalent C300 or 330i in the US sadly. Those brands demand a higher premium and therefore it makes the VW Passat and Arteon an attractive option since it has more power for less money than those. In some parts of the world they don't even sell the avalon and if they do, there's no V6 but a wheezy naturally aspirated 4 cylinder. The Honda Accord has also been removed from some markets but even if it was there, it would've probably only had Honda's 1.5 turbo all because the higher powered versions would be stupidly priced. So this car is tailored alot to non US like markets like Europe. It doesn't seem to make sense in the US. If they offer you a higher powered version, you're getting a premium car with alot of power and then the US market will complain about the price. Some people below already are. The Arteon is a euro spec VW and won't be cheap but the US will expect it to be because it's a VW. VW straddles many segments. They compete in some segments with the premium carmakers but at the same time can also do very basic cars like the VW UP which competes with the Kia Picanto, Hyundai i10 and Toyota Aygo. But then the VW will still be more expensive because it is engineered to a much higher level than those other small cheap cars. VW is different to the other mainstream carmakers. It's like premium mainstream. Don't know how else to put it. In my country they have 5 of their vehicles in the top 10 best selling cars per month. And premium doesn't always mean higher power. Besides, there is going to be an Arteon R, see Autogefuhl: ruclips.net/video/c3XDjOe79d0/видео.html
Hey Alex, Don't fret over horsepower in the Arteon. There are numerous VW tuners out there. Love the enhanced style, head and shoulders over the Stinger, Regal, TLX, even the A5 Sportback. Love the dash & steering wheel layout. This is like an American car, with cruise buttons & tach on left side, and speedo/radio controls on the right side. Japanese cars are reversed since they drive on the left side of the road in Japan, they won't pay for a mirror image wheel for cars driven on the right side. Fortunately Germany is like America in that sense.
I like more traditional exterior design, and so I love this look. Beautiful and should age well. The interior upgrades are really excellent as well. I'm accustomed to leasing 5 series BMWs (for business reasons) but will buy a car later this year as I retire. this will suit me better than a mass market Honda or Toyota, I think, although both make excellent cars. I look forward to your review and based on that I will test drive one when its available. I could delay until the new Acura TLX is available. After all, I'll be living with the car for more than my usual 3 year lease so I want to avoid a "regrettable mistake."
Hey Alex, I remember the good old days when VW would take a car like the Arteon and drop an Audi-spec V6 under the hood - and grab a few Audi customers while racing to the bank. How times have changed!
Patrick, exactly I am probably going to buy an Arteon and did in fact flash my 2016 Jetta. Was done by APR, WOW made that little puddle jumper get up an go. Got around 250hp and 295fp so more then worth going that way.
refresh? already? i live in california in a pretty decent sized city with two vw dealers and i have yet to see an arteon on the road. I mean it is a gorgeous car but very expensive and with a lackluster powertrain i dont see it being a sales success. why not use the 4 cylinder from the golf R? give it a little bit of tweeking and give it over 300 hp? and perhaps a bit of suspension tuning. saw lots of reviews saying it didnt feel special and was expensive. vw you need a FOCUS GROUP and perhaps listen with an open mind
What you're saying sounds like a US specific problem. It isn't expensive when compared to the equivalent BMW, Mercedes or Audi. But it is quite a bit more premium than the Toyotas and Hondas etc. So the price is right. Everywhere else in the world, the 2 litre turbo makes the same power as the same engines in the BMW's, Mercedes and Audis but more than those in similar Toyotas and Hondas. This is why VW doesn't do well with cars like this in the US. Cars are too cheap in the US so you guys get slightly different VWs not as premium as the European versions. Just like the Passat. The US Passat is awful. The Euro Passat competes very well with the C Class, 3 series and A4 and you'll see many international publications end up choosing the VW over those. Premium cars don't necessarily need high power. A C180 makes 156hp. Same like a 318i or A4 1.4 tfsi. So the Passat and Arteon then starts to looks great. Besides, there is going to be an Arteon R: Besides, there is going to be an Arteon R, see Autogefuhl: ruclips.net/video/c3XDjOe79d0/видео.html
@@SDav21 You're correct in all respects. VW has found repeatedly that Americans are unwilling to pay what European consumers spend on VW's. Thus, in the US VW models are typically larger, less expensive, and less premium than comparable Eurospec models.
@@stephenhendricks103 Not necessarily, have you seen the new Atlas Crosstrek? Europeans are dying to get a hold of those because they have a 6 cylinder engine, a more premium interior, and all at an affordable price. However, true when referring to the Arteon "only" imho.
Alex just an FYI you need to hi pass/remove the low rumble in your desk videos probably everything under 100K? your hands on desk are coming through as a very low rumble especially when you listen with good headphones I thought a large truck was going by my house ...love your car reviews
It's a shame the only ones I'm interested in are the ones the US won't get. I would LOVE to have a wagon, if they brought this to America it'd be the only affordable sporty wagon in the market pretty much. I'm definitely going for a Kia Stinger now if they don't even bring the R version. Vw really screwed up the Arteon for the US unfortunately
I’d probably still buy a Stinger. You can get a screaming deal on them. Doug DeMuro recently bought a brand new 2018 model for a substantial discount since it had sat on the lot for nearly 2 years
I would consider the Arteon R line. I love the styling and practicality of the Arteon (a hatchback that doesn't look like one AND a full sized spare) but the standard model is too heavy for that engine.
I don't agree that VW has trouble with wagons. I see Alltracks almost as much as Outbacks here in the Seattle/PNW area. A lot with manual transmissions too. Dealers seem to keep them stocked, and I've not seen any indication that VW will actually stop making them, like they've indicated for over a year now.
@@future62 They haven't cancelled their wagons. They've announced the end of production for the Alltrack and Sportwagen for the Mk7.5 generation, but did not indicate that a Mk8 wagon wouldn't come to the US. Besides the GTI, the wagons are the Golf's best-selling variant (pun intended).
You might see them in your area, but I suspect you may be looking for them. Nationally Alltrack and Sportwagen combined sell under 14,000 units a year vs 181,000 for the Outback. Outback outsells ALL other wagons in the USA combined by a 5:1 margin.
Another epic review/preview here Alex!!! It's not a bad looking car but that fake exhaust just needs to go. Give us real pipes out back or just clean up the bumper please VW!!! Interior treatments have been vastly improved too!!! EDIT...... THAT ARTEON WAGON NEEDS TO COME HERE. PLEASE VW .... WAGON.... BRING IT STATESIDE.... We know it won't be a volume seller but please please please bring that thing over here. ... we have enough SUV's now!!!! Bring Back wagons!!!
Sadly the way to make VW bring it is to run out and buy a Volvo wagon basically. If VW sees wagon sales increasing here, then they will join in. Otherwise it's a shrinking pool.
The Arteon is built on the same MQB platform as the European Passat. FYI, the Euro Passat is definitely more luxurious, performs and handles better than the US Passat.
The underwhelming engine of this car really holds it back IMO. if that R line model with the 300+ hp was available I would definitely consider getting this car.
How exactly is 268hp underwhelming? 2020 A4 has 188-248 hp, 2020 BMW 330i and Mercedes C300 both have 255 hp, and they are all more expensive with less creature comfort than this. I'm willing to bet your current car doesn't have 300hp. Horse power in excess doesn't make a great. The average consumer just wants a nice comfortable car to get from point A to B and no matter what they choose, they will be driving the same speed limit as everyone else. Be realistic Obi.
@@daniel0703 Sedan sales are clearly declining. They need to do things to try to entice buyers back. Since sedans are overall better handling vehicles compared to SUVS, they need to play up their strengths. The issue isn't the number, it's the fact that the acceleration is a little lackluster. It's also a little odd that it looks sleek and fast but really isn't. I'm not saying it's an absolute necessity, but a higher tier engine should be an option. They're doing it in Europe, so why not the US?
Something as simple as functional dual exhaust tips can make a difference in overall decision to purchase. It's ridiculous that a car costing almost 50k would have anything fake in the exhaust strusture. The Accord and even chinsey Korean brands offer such. The VW SUV's and CUV's offer the real exhaust tips, the flagship sedan should have them. I have the 280 hp V6 CC 4Motion Executive series, other than abnormal tire wear, great car! Hopefully that issue was addressed on the Arteon. A lot of extras and full dual exhaust front to rear, no issues with keeping it clean, that's a lame excuse. Too bad VW doesn't offer that engine or a turbo V6 to get the HP well up in the 300's. What a winner that would be knocking out competition costing much more. Great looking car though... VW pay attention especially on the exhaust ports..
I would like VW to start using amber tail signal light again. Even the new F150 has adopted it. VW is now trailing behind a pick-up truck on the design trend.
@@xpost9381 All-red tail light is an American thing, because in other markets the local regulations disallow it. And now even an All-American vehicle like an F-150 is breaking away from it, because there is a possibility the US regulators will soon mandate amber rear signal as well. This is what I mean by design trend. F-150 is breaking away from the old design. VW should not be sticking to it still.
Wagon please! Yes with the RS3 power plant! Hate the fake tail pipes!!!!!! If we had this car the way we really want it it would be $60,000. But with all that said I saw the 2021 just yesterday at the dealer, and it's beautiful in person in the "R Line". Anything below the R Line looks boring. The one I saw did not have the beautiful seats shown in your video. Not sure why. I think for the money you are getting a lot. I am a long term GTI owner as well as an Audi Allroad owner. I don't really have a big problem with the 4cyl, It's nothing a APR tune cant fix.
Throw some real reliability and durability into this package and i would definitely consider. But until then.....not a chance for me. Ive been badly burned by a brand new VW before and I haven't seen too much change in terms of quality and reliability since then. That was 2001.
The VW sport wagons are too small so selling a larger Arteon wagon makes more sense plus it is very nice looking. Too bad its not coming here. I guess I'll have to get a Subaru or an overpriced Audi Allroad $$$.
On wikipedia it says ,R Version goes from 0-100 in 5,1 seconds..To me that"s very very disappointing,because R Version should be at least under 5,0...It looks great,but....
Still has the "empty buttons" around the shifter. Premium car without enough power for the USA, they are stuck in the European cafe requirements. A four cylinder Honda Accord can outperform this. Surprised it does not have electric power to boost performance and mileage... it should be a hybrid. Short sighted just average car, for a premium price... no thank you. Get a Buick Regal GS with it's V6 and hatchback...if you can, this is it's last year.
I really like but if I were to replace my Camaro with this as a more new dad approved car they would have to have the R available here. And if they did I would go shooting brake over the sedan. I think I read they have considered offering the wagon more if the lame US homologation rules didn't make them have to crash test it as a completely new model.
My friend bought this car last week. Here in Europe it was 42000€, so approximately 46000$. In my opinion it's waaay overpriced. Transverse mounted engine with fwd. Suspension is almost the same as in vw golf. Dsg 7 speed is ok, but in terms of driving smoothness it just can't compare with let's say mercedes 9G tronic. And for that price you can get Mercedes E class. No rear view camera (probably option $$), hard plastic on lower dash/glove box/door cards. Manually adjustable passenger seat, driver's semi manually adjustable. Digital dashboard looks cheap, infotainment system relatively difficult to operate while driving. Don't get me wrong, this car is very good, but in 25-30k $ category, for 46k $ not even close to good
New Arteon Update?!? ... finds out it’s the same engine and stops the video. When will auto makers learn HP = Sales in the US right now. The Charger is a 10 year old car with great power and will sell 10 to 1 against a much better looking and better tech’d Arteon
I enjoy how you always give us all the needed info we’re looking for....AND more. The more keeps me coming back all the time. Thanks Alex
I'm impressed by the Arteon both in its looks and in its driving dynamics. When VW brought it to the US in 2019 Herbert Diess, VW's CEO said in an interview that he didn't expect to sell many in the US but wanted to show American consumers what VW stood for in Europe. In fact, now that VW has announced it will not sell the base Golf in the US for at least the next two years, the only VW's that closely resemble their Europspec counterparts are the GTI, the Golf R and the Arteon. (The Arteon sedan lacks several engine choices and the DSG available in Europe but it's otherwise virtually identical to the European version.)
I agree with Alex that the tuning of the engine in the R version would be a delight, especially in the AWD version. But since it's the same EA888 motor as the GTI, Golf R, as well as in the American version of the Tiguan and the Passat in various states of engine and turbo tuning, a Stage I ECU will provide substantially more HP and torque than the stock Arteon with HP over 300 and torque at a similar level. And contrary to claims to the contrary a third party tune does not invalidate the VW warranty unless a problem can be shown to result directly from the tuning mod. For a Stage 1 tune that's very, very rare. In any event, the stock Arteon is no slouch. If you've never driven one you're likely to be surprised by its performance.
In terms of evaluating the Arteon it's important to keep in mind the difference between Americans' and Europeans' conception of "performance." Americans invented drag racing; Europeans invented rallies. In America a "road race" is likely to be NASCAR with cars going round and round an oval where turning left is a primary task. European road racing is more likely to be on actual public roads or circuits designed to emulate them. For Americans "performance" metrics begin and usually end with 0-60 acceleration and straight line quarter mile times. Europeans often think of "performance" in terms of cruising at more than 100 mph (the "tonne") in comfort for hours on superbly maintained highways. For that mission the Arteon is an appealing candidate.
Finally, as far as price is concerned, here in the Seattle area dealers are offering current top trim AWD Arteons at around $38K to $40K, a price that makes it an appealing alternative to a top trim Accord or Camry. If I were in the market for such a vehicle, the Arteon would be at the top of my list.
Just purchased my arteon an love everything about it. It has all the power I need to pass or merge into traffic. I like that I have something thats different from everyone else an hope vw continues to make sedans. I left chvy for thats reason. I can't wait to see how the 4 motion douse in the winter. This car has style an what I need living in the NY snow belt.
I would cry if I bought this and then this came out am shortly after
I would buy a Wagon over a Sedan or a Crossover. I wish more people in America make the shift to Wagons!
Wagons have a much better centre of gravity than crossovers, which makes a wagon a better-handling car than a crossover. Wagons aren't the old LTD Crown Victoria or Caprice of yore now.
Yessss I want a wagon but there's nothing good and affordable in the US. They are making a mistake
Its a good-looking wagon, no question!
I prefer crossover with higher height for visibility and weekend camping trips in the mountains 🗻
I love the new wagons .. I just bought the Golf Sports Wagon love the size and car ride hated my previous CRV
I work at a VW dealer and we have had our 2019 Arteons for a full year now and they won't move because no one knows about them! They're beautiful but VW has done nothing to advertise them.. so frustrating!
Advertise?
Tesla doesn’t advertise!
Are they throwing big discounts on them?
I can even remember ever seeing a commercial for this vehicle
That explains why I didn't even know this model was for sale in the US until watching this video. When the video started, I was wondering why Alex was reviewing a car that's not even sold in the US. But, the European plates kind of fooled me too.
I will buy this Arteon if VW shift to port injection from DI and no use of turbo.
GM and VW: puts wagons in US market hoping it will sell.
Also GM and VW: Does not spend money on ads.
US doesn't buy it.
GM and VW: Pikachu face
I love wagon. I hope they bring in more models *cough cough* A6 Avant
H Park they do actually...A6 Allroad
I wish they could bring it but be order only or something so they don't waste too much money bringing it to the US
I don't know why most reviews don't call out something obvious - this is a cheaper Audi A5 Sportback, which is an excellent car. The body is almost exactly the same except for the VW styling, same engine, and tons of the exterior and interior parts are from the Audi parts bin. Alex touched on it a bit here, but only a bit.
I would definitely buy an Arteon wagon if it was sold here.
I'd will buy one if there is a shooting brake with a V8. Another guy I know will definitely buy 3 if there was a shooting brake in his favorite shade of pink. And the wish list goes on !!
I really hope Volkswagen changes its mind and sends us the shooting brake, that would be my dream car.
Ford has an interesting solution to keeping exhausts clean on the new Explorer. The exhaust pipes are routed downward before the end of the visual pipes so that exhaust still comes out of them as a whole but soot doesn’t get them dirty. It’s kinda hard to describe. Just google it
Great Vehicle, very old engine. The wagon looks beautiful
Wow! You actually said "imitation leathter" which is spot on - over at Redwhine Reviews, Sandrip says "leatherette". He's wrong and he's masking the "fake leather" aspect which is vinyl or a composite of that. Your review is more informative and is better composed - you don't make yourself the center of attention like Sandrip does and that is a great thing - full screen b-roll is not a bad thing. Once again you are one of the best reviewers on the internet and make up for amateurs with bad edits over at Redwhine. Keep up the great work!
The wagon style really stands out!
Nice interior, too.
Why is VW allergic to horsepower?
They want you to buy Audi.
CAFE
Did they announce a release day? The 2019 Arteon was delayed heavily. I bought my 2019 Arteon with significant discounts because it had been sitting on a dealer lot nearby. Coming from a 2017 A4, I love it. Seeing the updates the 2021, there's a lot of merit in it, but I can't help but feel a little dissuaded by the touch controls for audio, steering wheel, and climate controls. I think they'll work fine and give it a clean look. I do like the updated badging and would enjoy having lane centering. Also, if the 2021 model comes with their more robust mobile app experience, that would be an awesome addition.
Anyone who has watched the Tour de France on TV will see oodles of wagons parked at the side of the road and being used a support vehicles. Europeans just love wagons but unfortunately the U.S. and up here in Canada not so much. The 3 series wagon will no longer be sold in Canada but on the upside we get the C class Mercedes wagon including the awesome AMG C43 wagon. And Volvo will sell you a V90 without the lift kit and silly spats around the wheel arches (Cross Country). But there is a rumour (yes, that's how it's spelled) that Americans can get a non Cross Country V90 if you ask your local dealer nicely and pay full sticker of course as it's a custom order. On the other hand you may be the only one in your state who has one. Rarer than a Bugatti!
Already comes with the R engine Alex!!! A warrantied reflash with apr yeilds 400+ hp
I know the stinger might drive better, but I do love the way this looks. It's on my short list
Ah yes. Touch buttons for the volume. Something that worked out great for Honda.
Right!? Eeek, VW just made a stupid move and they must have some "yes men" at their company because whoever let them get away with doing that should be fired!
Arteon is an excellent car. Really enjoyed the extended test drive I had, but it's a little too pokey, needs the VR6 or at least another 25% more power to be competitive and of course the price nearing $50k doesn't make a lot of sense either. It's a shame as it was a very enjoyable car but not competitive at it's price.
i would just get an Audi
Agreed, it's got a GTI engine but it's not good enough for such a large car. They just need to reduce the price and it would be extremely competitive!
Appreciate the display screen is not on the dashboard and not fighting drivers’ visibility.
I’ll buy for that reason alone.
It doesn't need higher power. I think the power issue is a symptom of the US market only getting higher powered versions of other cars because cars are generally much cheaper. A Mercedes C180 (1.6 litre 4 cylinder turbo), BMW 318i (1.5 litre 3 cylinder turbo) and Audi A4 1.4 tfsi (1.4 litre 4 cylinder turbo) all make around 156hp and cost the same as the equivalent C300 or 330i in the US sadly. Those brands demand a higher premium and therefore it makes the VW Passat and Arteon an attractive option since it has more power for less money than those. In some parts of the world they don't even sell the avalon and if they do, there's no V6 but a wheezy naturally aspirated 4 cylinder. The Honda Accord has also been removed from some markets but even if it was there, it would've probably only had Honda's 1.5 turbo all because the higher powered versions would be stupidly priced. So this car is tailored alot to non US like markets like Europe. It doesn't seem to make sense in the US. If they offer you a higher powered version, you're getting a premium car with alot of power and then the US market will complain about the price. Some people below already are. The Arteon is a euro spec VW and won't be cheap but the US will expect it to be because it's a VW. VW straddles many segments. They compete in some segments with the premium carmakers but at the same time can also do very basic cars like the VW UP which competes with the Kia Picanto, Hyundai i10 and Toyota Aygo. But then the VW will still be more expensive because it is engineered to a much higher level than those other small cheap cars. VW is different to the other mainstream carmakers. It's like premium mainstream. Don't know how else to put it. In my country they have 5 of their vehicles in the top 10 best selling cars per month. And premium doesn't always mean higher power.
Besides, there is going to be an Arteon R, see Autogefuhl:
ruclips.net/video/c3XDjOe79d0/видео.html
Would it kill vw to color match the shark fin antenna? For this price, especially....i mean if cheap econo boxes can do it vw can do it for 30-40k +$
Hey Alex,
Don't fret over horsepower in the Arteon. There are numerous VW tuners out there. Love the enhanced style, head and shoulders over the Stinger, Regal, TLX, even the A5 Sportback. Love the dash & steering wheel layout. This is like an American car, with cruise buttons & tach on left side, and speedo/radio controls on the right side. Japanese cars are reversed since they drive on the left side of the road in Japan, they won't pay for a mirror image wheel for cars driven on the right side. Fortunately Germany is like America in that sense.
I don't even car they're not changing the powertrain this looks amazing
I’ve seen this thing in person, it has a really nice road presence but needs more power for me to consider one.
The wagon looks very nice. I would go for that if offered in the US.
You can import it.
I like more traditional exterior design, and so I love this look. Beautiful and should age well. The interior upgrades are really excellent as well.
I'm accustomed to leasing 5 series BMWs (for business reasons) but will buy a car later this year as I retire. this will suit me better than a mass market Honda or Toyota, I think, although both make excellent cars. I look forward to your review and based on that I will test drive one when its available. I could delay until the new Acura TLX is available. After all, I'll be living with the car for more than my usual 3 year lease so I want to avoid a "regrettable mistake."
Hey Alex, I remember the good old days when VW would take a car like the Arteon and drop an Audi-spec V6 under the hood - and grab a few Audi customers while racing to the bank. How times have changed!
You don’t need the R Design for 2021 in the States. For ~$1200 usd you can get the APR+ tune which will bring it up to ~360 hp.
Patrick, exactly I am probably going to buy an Arteon and did in fact flash my 2016 Jetta. Was done by APR, WOW made that little puddle jumper get up an go. Got around 250hp and 295fp so more then worth going that way.
What does that do to the warranty? I cant imagine that engine handling 360hp for 4 or 5 yeats
More power would make this vehicle perfect!
refresh? already? i live in california in a pretty decent sized city with two vw dealers and i have yet to see an arteon on the road. I mean it is a gorgeous car but very expensive and with a lackluster powertrain i dont see it being a sales success. why not use the 4 cylinder from the golf R? give it a little bit of tweeking and give it over 300 hp? and perhaps a bit of suspension tuning. saw lots of reviews saying it didnt feel special and was expensive. vw you need a FOCUS GROUP and perhaps listen with an open mind
What you're saying sounds like a US specific problem. It isn't expensive when compared to the equivalent BMW, Mercedes or Audi. But it is quite a bit more premium than the Toyotas and Hondas etc. So the price is right. Everywhere else in the world, the 2 litre turbo makes the same power as the same engines in the BMW's, Mercedes and Audis but more than those in similar Toyotas and Hondas. This is why VW doesn't do well with cars like this in the US. Cars are too cheap in the US so you guys get slightly different VWs not as premium as the European versions. Just like the Passat. The US Passat is awful. The Euro Passat competes very well with the C Class, 3 series and A4 and you'll see many international publications end up choosing the VW over those. Premium cars don't necessarily need high power. A C180 makes 156hp. Same like a 318i or A4 1.4 tfsi. So the Passat and Arteon then starts to looks great. Besides, there is going to be an Arteon R:
Besides, there is going to be an Arteon R, see Autogefuhl:
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@@SDav21 You're correct in all respects. VW has found repeatedly that Americans are unwilling to pay what European consumers spend on VW's. Thus, in the US VW models are typically larger, less expensive, and less premium than comparable Eurospec models.
@@stephenhendricks103 Not necessarily, have you seen the new Atlas Crosstrek? Europeans are dying to get a hold of those because they have a 6 cylinder engine, a more premium interior, and all at an affordable price. However, true when referring to the Arteon "only" imho.
@@SDav21 Thank you for insightful comment. You nailed all the facts.
@@SaraK_69 Yeah, you can believe that....!!! Sorry...no....absolutely not. Europeans do not want any of that US stuff.....
Alex just an FYI you need to hi pass/remove the low rumble in your desk videos probably everything under 100K? your hands on desk are coming through as a very low rumble especially when you listen with good headphones I thought a large truck was going by my house ...love your car reviews
It's a shame the only ones I'm interested in are the ones the US won't get. I would LOVE to have a wagon, if they brought this to America it'd be the only affordable sporty wagon in the market pretty much. I'm definitely going for a Kia Stinger now if they don't even bring the R version. Vw really screwed up the Arteon for the US unfortunately
I NEED THE Euro R- just for the seats, steering wheel and rims!!!
I never got the SUV nor the crossover bug, I'm still a sedan driver.
Does it come with a HUD? From what I see, I might consider buying on since it has the same storage of a SUV, but looks like a hot coupe.
Wish they would bring TDIs back. Would be great with this vehicle!!!
I want that wagon!!!
I prefer the profile of my vehicles to look the same. The directional rims spoil the one side for me.
Exhaust tips..just make em black and real! Geeeeez
I’d probably still buy a Stinger. You can get a screaming deal on them. Doug DeMuro recently bought a brand new 2018 model for a substantial discount since it had sat on the lot for nearly 2 years
In the U.S., the Arteon is for people who want a more luxurious Passat but don't need gobs of horsepower.
I would consider the Arteon R line. I love the styling and practicality of the Arteon (a hatchback that doesn't look like one AND a full sized spare) but the standard model is too heavy for that engine.
I don't agree that VW has trouble with wagons. I see Alltracks almost as much as Outbacks here in the Seattle/PNW area. A lot with manual transmissions too. Dealers seem to keep them stocked, and I've not seen any indication that VW will actually stop making them, like they've indicated for over a year now.
VW cancelled all their Golf wagons for a reason. They might be popular around you but they're poor sellers overall
@@future62 They haven't cancelled their wagons. They've announced the end of production for the Alltrack and Sportwagen for the Mk7.5 generation, but did not indicate that a Mk8 wagon wouldn't come to the US. Besides the GTI, the wagons are the Golf's best-selling variant (pun intended).
You might see them in your area, but I suspect you may be looking for them. Nationally Alltrack and Sportwagen combined sell under 14,000 units a year vs 181,000 for the Outback. Outback outsells ALL other wagons in the USA combined by a 5:1 margin.
Seattle and the Puget Sound are an outlier in terms of our fondness for Eurospec VW's. (And European brands in general) Much as Quebec is in Canada.
@@JakeRoot I think they cancelled them well before the MK7 run was finished. Anything is possible, but MK8 wagons are seriously unlikely.
Another epic review/preview here Alex!!! It's not a bad looking car but that fake exhaust just needs to go. Give us real pipes out back or just clean up the bumper please VW!!! Interior treatments have been vastly improved too!!!
EDIT...... THAT ARTEON WAGON NEEDS TO COME HERE. PLEASE VW .... WAGON.... BRING IT STATESIDE.... We know it won't be a volume seller but please please please bring that thing over here. ... we have enough SUV's now!!!! Bring Back wagons!!!
You had your chance, my friend. The Golf Alltrack was a great and affodable wagon that no one bought.
Sadly the way to make VW bring it is to run out and buy a Volvo wagon basically. If VW sees wagon sales increasing here, then they will join in. Otherwise it's a shrinking pool.
The new 2.0L TLX should be comparable to the current Accord at around 5.5s 0-60. I seriously doubt the Arteon will break 6s flat.
The Arteon is built on the same MQB platform as the European Passat. FYI, the Euro Passat is definitely more luxurious, performs and handles better than the US Passat.
A true shooting brake doesn’t have rear doors. Then again, neither did coupes until recently...
The underwhelming engine of this car really holds it back IMO. if that R line model with the 300+ hp was available I would definitely consider getting this car.
How exactly is 268hp underwhelming? 2020 A4 has 188-248 hp, 2020 BMW 330i and Mercedes C300 both have 255 hp, and they are all more expensive with less creature comfort than this. I'm willing to bet your current car doesn't have 300hp. Horse power in excess doesn't make a great. The average consumer just wants a nice comfortable car to get from point A to B and no matter what they choose, they will be driving the same speed limit as everyone else. Be realistic Obi.
@@daniel0703 Sedan sales are clearly declining. They need to do things to try to entice buyers back. Since sedans are overall better handling vehicles compared to SUVS, they need to play up their strengths. The issue isn't the number, it's the fact that the acceleration is a little lackluster. It's also a little odd that it looks sleek and fast but really isn't. I'm not saying it's an absolute necessity, but a higher tier engine should be an option. They're doing it in Europe, so why not the US?
Like the look of the vehicle absolutely hate fake exhaust. If it is not the actual exhaust then leave the area blank.
Something as simple as functional dual exhaust tips can make a difference in overall decision to purchase. It's ridiculous that a car costing almost 50k would have anything fake in the exhaust strusture. The Accord and even chinsey Korean brands offer such. The VW SUV's and CUV's offer the real exhaust tips, the flagship sedan should have them. I have the 280 hp V6 CC 4Motion Executive series, other than abnormal tire wear, great car! Hopefully that issue was addressed on the Arteon. A lot of extras and full dual exhaust front to rear, no issues with keeping it clean, that's a lame excuse. Too bad VW doesn't offer that engine or a turbo V6 to get the HP well up in the 300's. What a winner that would be knocking out competition costing much more. Great looking car though... VW pay attention especially on the exhaust ports..
I would like VW to start using amber tail signal light again. Even the new F150 has adopted it. VW is now trailing behind a pick-up truck on the design trend.
Since when was Volkswagen .... and Arteon.... a US product ..... designed in the US culture of pick-up trucks..???
@@xpost9381 All-red tail light is an American thing, because in other markets the local regulations disallow it. And now even an All-American vehicle like an F-150 is breaking away from it, because there is a possibility the US regulators will soon mandate amber rear signal as well. This is what I mean by design trend. F-150 is breaking away from the old design. VW should not be sticking to it still.
Wagon please! Yes with the RS3 power plant! Hate the fake tail pipes!!!!!! If we had this car the way we really want it it would be $60,000. But with all that said I saw the 2021 just yesterday at the dealer, and it's beautiful in person in the "R Line". Anything below the R Line looks boring. The one I saw did not have the beautiful seats shown in your video. Not sure why. I think for the money you are getting a lot. I am a long term GTI owner as well as an Audi Allroad owner. I don't really have a big problem with the 4cyl, It's nothing a APR tune cant fix.
They should sell the plugin hybrid in the US.
Is VW still using indirect TPMS? Or have they finally come into the 21st century with direct TPMS and individual tire pressure display?
My '19 Arteon has direct TPMS.
@@christopherdeming7929 Does it have individual tire pressure readout, or just a light that comes on?
1:40 What's happened to the BumperDillo??
I really hope they bring the R model to the US to compete better with the Stinger and the Type S
Would love to get my hands on the new TDI but sadly California EPA ruined it for the rest of the United States!
Arteon definitely has the Q50 and and stinger beat from a looks stand point, but that 270 horsepower just isn’t cutting it for me
Would this be comparable to the Toyota Avalon; a slightly larger and more premium version of the Camry?
Well, the Avalon has the naturally aspirated 300+ HP V6 (in the RWD version anyway.)
@@admiralstiffplank Toyota fanboys need to calm down!
What they should’ve done was made the body style like the BMW X6 now that would really set the mark
Way better than stinger
Except for the powertrain... I'd buy the twin turbo V6 Stinger over this anytime.
This is a very handsome vehicle !
Throw some real reliability and durability into this package and i would definitely consider. But until then.....not a chance for me. Ive been badly burned by a brand new VW before and I haven't seen too much change in terms of quality and reliability since then. That was 2001.
Great looking car. Just needs some more power.
Apr tune warrantied and done at dealers. 400 hp 👌 done
I thought a 4-door wagon was an estate, and a 2-door was a shooting brake?
The VW sport wagons are too small so selling a larger Arteon wagon makes more sense plus it is very nice looking. Too bad its not coming here. I guess I'll have to get a Subaru or an overpriced Audi Allroad $$$.
Poor decision by VW to withhold the 315-hp engine. Vehicle looks nice but lacks power making for a challenging competitive position.
No volume knob would annoy me
in the end, it all comes back to the price. At 50k I would just get an Audi since they have a 0.9% interest rate leasing now.
On wikipedia it says ,R Version goes from 0-100 in 5,1 seconds..To me that"s very very disappointing,because R Version should be at least under 5,0...It looks great,but....
Yes more liftbacks. NA needs to lnow the glory of lift back sedans
If the didn't change the engine then did the touch the handling. I Walked away from the 2019 as it was a boat. Nothing like an A4
A direct competition to 2021 TLX and think looks better.
the new intro is so hot
I liked the Arteon for the longest time... so long that I lost interest when it arrived in US.
That happens pretty much with every new car except Toyota's
Shooting brake used to be 2 door wagon
VW can bring back the W8 motor.
Bring over the plug-in hybrid.
Poor man's A5. I'll take it, its a real looker.
When you compare it to the Audi A5, the power is similar.
Why VW can't make the Jetta look like this?
Still has the "empty buttons" around the shifter. Premium car without enough power for the USA, they are stuck in the European cafe requirements. A four cylinder Honda Accord can outperform this. Surprised it does not have electric power to boost performance and mileage... it should be a hybrid. Short sighted just average car, for a premium price... no thank you. Get a Buick Regal GS with it's V6 and hatchback...if you can, this is it's last year.
Actually there is a plug-in hybrid version of the Arteon, and a 300+hp R version. You just won’t get it in the US
I really like but if I were to replace my Camaro with this as a more new dad approved car they would have to have the R available here. And if they did I would go shooting brake over the sedan. I think I read they have considered offering the wagon more if the lame US homologation rules didn't make them have to crash test it as a completely new model.
My friend bought this car last week. Here in Europe it was 42000€, so approximately 46000$. In my opinion it's waaay overpriced. Transverse mounted engine with fwd. Suspension is almost the same as in vw golf. Dsg 7 speed is ok, but in terms of driving smoothness it just can't compare with let's say mercedes 9G tronic. And for that price you can get Mercedes E class.
No rear view camera (probably option $$), hard plastic on lower dash/glove box/door cards. Manually adjustable passenger seat, driver's semi manually adjustable. Digital dashboard looks cheap, infotainment system relatively difficult to operate while driving.
Don't get me wrong, this car is very good, but in 25-30k $ category, for 46k $ not even close to good
A Mercedes E-Class for 42.000€? You’d hardly get a low powered C-Class for that money, let alone an E-Class (unless you buy it used)
Excellent
I wish they renewed the infotainment + interior for the new Atlas. Pretty disappointed.
This has the new infotainment system, a generation ahead of the Atlas.
So they updated everything but the thing that matters. Drivetrain. Where's the EV options. The germans are miles behind at the moment.
Why? The Arteon will be available with an Plug In Hybrid, similar to the Passat GT.
Give me the wagon!!!!!!!!!
The 2020 colors is the first turn off. Honestly VW? Only "Black & White"?! Hopefully the 2021 has some more colors.
I would think this would be more powerful.
New Arteon Update?!? ... finds out it’s the same engine and stops the video. When will auto makers learn HP = Sales in the US right now. The Charger is a 10 year old car with great power and will sell 10 to 1 against a much better looking and better tech’d Arteon
Weak power numbers. Put the golf R engine in there and then I’d consider it.
They should have at least made that fake exhaust a finisher and not just fake :-(
How about a Nissan Maxima wagon :)
3:11 VW dont do SW. It's why they're screwed.
The new Kia Stinger GT with the updates would be a much better and fun option or the new Cadenza for better luxurious comfort.
I love wagons but this one looks better in fastback form. Interior is still old.
Meanwhile Tesla can’t make cars fast enough!
Class leader until the world melts.
But hey that don't matter ,just as long as VW makes a profit