Honestly I’m just gutted we got robbed of seeing Miyazano’s strategy play out to the end - was very smart getting off the hards right away and running the car as light as possible for as long as possible, while still having enough fuel to push at the final stint
The good thing about this controversial act is. . . The next race is going to be epic. And the promotion team should emphasize this to promote Gtsport. Miyazano driver of the day. Great, but he would have won the race if he wasn't spun out.
It is a dirty move to lift off when you should and can be going full throttle. Fraga knew he was a sitting duck and parked it in front of Hizal. Fraga was the faster driver all day and would've gotten back past Hizal with the slipstream and fuel later on. The move was unnecessary. Which is probably why Hizal is upset. Fraga could've certainly raced more respectfully. Question is...is Fraga that aggressive when racing for real? Because he could get himself or somebody else seriously injured doing things like that.
I hope Hizal have learned something with this incident,because in motorsport some drivers are even more agressive than Fraga was,and this is considered fair in many types of racing.Hizal himself should be more agressive,maybe it's what is lacking in his driving style.
Agreed he is way too soft and passive. He is incredibly fast and knows how to corner well, but he really needs to be more aggressive against the other drivers.
In formulas, that move would send you flying into the wall. Hizal lacks nothing to win as he has shown over and over. Some others lack sportsmanship and use dirty tactics. Those are the problem.
@@ricardoalmeida4719 Tactics, wether someone thinks they are dirty or not will always be a part of racing. You cant just be fast, you have to be mentally smart and stable.
Are you serious? A 5 sec during the race always results in more time lost. Lopez got a 1sec penalty and lost 2 seconds. A 5 second penalty would result in more than 7 or 8 seconds lost.
@@ricardoalmeida4719 i'm assuming that the penalty was more of a academic move, but still, there was 6sec gap between Fraga and Hizal at the end of the race.
I believe that the OP slipstream in the game (recently increased) contributed to the incident/s, as it requires the lead driver to implement strategies to mitigate against the chasing car closing in more than it would in reality. Modelling how air impacts the cars in the game is not yet optimal. I guess it is difficult to programme this aspect.
Good. I'm not the only one who realizes that the overtaking incident was caused by the unrealistic slipstream. As far as I am concerned, Fraga did an outstanding move going into the slipstream and slingshoting past Hizal. I mean, I canr even understand how people are even arguing about it being illegal, when Fraga just used what was available to him there and then, and which, unfortunately for Hizal, was GT Sport Slipstream. I just can't help but laugh at people arguing the move was illegal when the slipstream is what should be talked about and revised
@@alimusamamman3267 That's my problem with pro gran turismo races. There are a bunch of things you can do and get away with which are unrealistic. Racing is a lot of fun in GT S but if I race in these championships I want a "clean" race, which means I don't want people jumping over 10 foot curbs with F1 cars, I want it to be realistic both in terms of mechanics but also strategies. It's not "clever" game mechanics if falling back and following the leader is the best strategy to win, and it's not "clever" to use that as a "strategy", in my opinion that's a bug and people using it to their advantage are bug-using. The game should make you plan your strategy and it does as far as pit stops etc. go, but there are also plenty of unrealistic aspects about it. It's a large grey area but like I said many strategies aren't "clean" or at least not realistic. The best battles are realistic ones.
@@herberthans7015 I agree with most of what u said. But here is the thing... The slipstream isn't a bug. It's a part of the game mechanics, and Fraga simply used whatever advantage he could use to win that specific encounter. He didn't do anything dirty, didn't send Hizal to the shadow realm. He just used the unrealistic slipstream to his advantage.
@@alimusamamman3267 Yeah I'm not saying he cheated and buguse is a strong word. Like I said it's a grey area. Of course the champion is going to abuse the hell out of every single aspect of the game mechanics and he's not cheating f.e. there was a break boosting bug you could use to accelerate faster which is an entirely different thing that's plain cheating, I don't think anyone would try that in the tournament though. However using unrealistic tactics because the game is unrealistic is no excuse, his only excuse is that he wants to win. If winning is more important than having clean, fun races then there's something wrong with the game. This reminds me of playing battlefield online, they introduced overpowered weapons and almost every pro was using them, it completely ruined the game because these weapons weren't just overpowered but broken, but these weapons technically were features not bugs. So you don't need bugs to completely ruin a game, you just need bad game mechanics or "features" that people can or have to abuse. Once everyone (ab)uses the unrealistic feature/bug it's a massive issue and it spreads like HIV because everyone wants to win. The main things GT has to get right is realism and fun, and the slipstream fails both, it might be a fun feature but not at the pro level, it turns out to be a bug there. It sure is a grey zone and it's not cheating, calling it a bug might not be accurate either, but if you simply consider wether or not it contributes to the fun-factor and realism of the game you can quickly figure out what's seriously wrong and what's fine.
@@herberthans7015 we could argue over this over and over again whether what Fraga did was illegal or not, but I'm not going to. It's not just that I'm lazy and busy, but it defeats one of the earlier statements I made. The point of what I said was to be bring attention to the slipstream. It needs to be revised so that it can stop anything like this happening again.
Right! thats what im saying, this is "human drama" Hizal probably wont like it, I can see him properly flipping out if Fraga steps on his toes again.... Hizal had himself under control in the interview avoiding finger pointing and eye contact... No PR needed for the next round.... they should put Fraga v Hizal on the cover of the next game lol... maybe driving gloves will be thrown, what an advert for esports especially with the ace commentating!!!
Make up a rivalry and the attendance is skyrocketing. Like in real F1 or Moto GP races after a bad crash or an incident like Rossi vs Marquez. Way to do it! Brings more money to the event!
@@jimmyarias123 Lol now that you say that would I be willing to see Hizal do a full lock and take Fraga out just to stop his nemesis getting on the podium.... and would Fraga still look as angelic and innocent as he is now... Hmmmm am i just hyping this up to silly levels that nothing extraordinary happens next round
I wanted Lightning to win this one, he's waited long enough. That being said, Igor raced well. The same thing happened between Lewis and Vettel last year in Spa and there were no penalties. It's a racing tactic just like going defensive, dive-bombing, parking on the apex... Also if he needed to save fuel, Igor would have come past in the end.
Lewis was part throttle leading up to eau rouge much like Igor but the difference is Lewis didn't slow down in the middle and top of eau rouge causing vettel to hit the brakes.
Oooooh now GT sport is getting rivalries! Could we see Fraga v Hizal on the cover of anything anytime soon... i would love to see someone throw a few f bombs, a pair of gloves in anger... its all abit too formal and neat.... the racing is exciting though and this drama could elevate esport GT into something casual people watch.... people love a bit of drama, "human drama" and rivalries.... i think Hizal is feeling the pressure.... eversince gt5 he was always top of the weekly leaderboards... and for the past few GTsport competitions hes either nearly made it or hes completely out of it.... was the last controversy also involving Hizal and Fraga the last corner of the last race where it was 3 cars vying for a corner, I know Fraga was involved and I think he won it... I do like Hizal though, that innocent look on Fraga doesnt hide that hes an assassin
No the last event didn't involve Hizal and the person always at top of leader board since gt5 was TRL_IMMORTALPILOT another competitor named Pablo Cyzt
@@bogueji1 no he's not. Last time i spoke with him he was expected to purchase a csl elite. I suspect certain aspects of GT Sport is not appealing to him. I only got it after a great deal of encouragement from Tidgney. Even Twissy is not playing anymore
@@gasixteenb11 Was TRL lightning not the one on the leaderboards??? I remember that name as i always saved the replays... but anyway this just hypes up the next round of races between Hizal and Fraga... will Hizal resort to cheating/different approach to racing now? will he go drop off.... I can see it getting to him
@@antwango not the one always on top but at times the several of the other Team Red Line members ruled top spot including TRL _snow, TRL_BEAU, TRL_LIGHTNING and others but the most frequent name was Immortal. Some were great at time trials and others are also great at racing. They excellent at specific track tuning.
@@AdrianFerrari I mean I know in several online racing leagues that that kind of deliberate conduct would lead to a race ban, but that's just an opinion at the end of the day I guess
Seriously though if they want to treat this series like real life they should treat the penalties the same way. The penalty would have been much steeper in any other series racing at spa. And that's not even the worst inconsistency of the stewarding.. Like where were ANY stewards during the SF19 blue moon race? Slamming bumping, and not enforcing the "no bump drafting" rule they put in place? I love this esports series because it's so polished but today's championship showed it's not perfect.
@@anthoslykos6294 Come on man everyone knows its not perfect.. its the first trial, if GT implements a proper damage model detailed enough to include 30+ cars then everything has to be relative.. then things and stakes will be higher... at the moment I dont think you can ask for outright bans... i mean the severity of punishment relative to whats happening on screen... im sure theyre working on it once GT esports takes off and for the last view races GT has been rivetting add to this the rivalries appearing... the next round is a must watch for Hizal v Fraga alone, dont care what new track or cars or features they add... well i do lol but this human drama is his masterplan lol
Fraga is a winner. He did what was needed to win, and deserves the due respect. He was lucky that Miyazono was taken out, but that's the way the chips fall. Hizal is a sore-assed loser. His need to fuelsave was not a result of Fraga's tactics, it was a result of his own.
The translator needs to have more of Miyazono's answer translated. I am not great in Japanese but I clearly caught more info in his Japanese reply than what the translator gave us in English.
Interestingly, most of the people who are mocking Hizal for being unhappy are most likely always whining and moaning as soon as somebody overtakes them in a Sport mode race.
Honestly, Hizal deserves nothing just for being such a bad sportsman and dragging the tone of the event down. It's a final, you're going to have to get your elbows out. Your up against a smart real racing driver ffs. I'm not buying that 'saving fuel' excuse either for dropping so far back. It's not as if Frage ruined his race by punting him off, unlike some others.
@R4M_Gummi He did indeed. I reckon if Hizal hadn't been so frugal with the fuel, he wouldn't have been anywhere near Fraga in the first place to get himself into trouble.
@@georgejakob1451 I think all the greats in motorsport have done something similar: Senna, Schumacher, Alonso, Hamilton, Verstappen etc... He didn't put Hizal off the track - he just outsmarted him and I think that's what really hurt Hizal.
Jimmy was so livid with the whole Fraga incident and the GT guys were really only talking about that, but the story of this race was actually the DIRTY Latkovski taking victory from Miyazono with that murderous rejoin and robbing Lopez's victory ramming him wide in the last corner.
Yes, if not for the himalayas frags spat, everyone would be focused on what looked like latkowski deliberately destroying someone's race. Combined with him claiming south Americans only winning through luck, he is no sportsman! I can't believe we saw low Dr Sr salt from top drivers. Shameful.
Wow. I thought the 5 seconds penalty for Vettel in Canada this year was harsh. This was a joke. The leader can dictate the pace and it was a corner after all. A flat out corner or not. Hizal is a petty little man.
Can’t believe Fraga is even being questioned here. Who has ever got a penalty in real motorsport for half-lifting? I believe Hamilton defended from Vettel after the safety car restart in the 2017 Belgian GP (successfully and without question) in exactly the same way. EDIT: Julia needs to go...
@@AB-wc5jm No it wasn't. Vettel and Lewis were close but there was no contact and vettel didn't hit his brakes. Go check the video. In GT the slipsteam is ridiculously strong, to if you lift, it's like you're braking in these high downforce cars. You guys really need to re watch what happend in Spa.
@@ricardoalmeida4719 Fraga NEVER hit is brakes, he got a penalty for "dangerous lifting" which doesn't exist anywhere, I even saw Hamilton telemetry and it's exactly the same thing. Fraga lifted quickly to around 50% just the same as Hamilton on the same spot.
F1 Spa 2017: Hamilton confirmed that he lifted just before Eau Rouge to prevent Vettel overtaking on Kemmels. F1 Montreal 2013: Just before DRS detection point Hamilton tries to let pass Alonso so he gets DRS afterwards (but Alonso was prepared). No Penalties! You can find both incidents on RUclips. I would have liked the victory for Mikail but i think what Igor did on him is not that extraordinary irl racing. However, no one has talked about Igor completely pushing out Nico in T1, even though Nico was slightly ahead at the apex. Nico was on softs an could have won this!
This is why we need an in depth damage modelling system to hopefully make it fair... Its got to be an amazing damage model to include what 30+ odd cars on PS5 at 4k/8k 60fps and for VR... this will hopefully cut out certain people getting away without punishment.... hopefully the PS5 is the beast its rumoured to be... have high hopes that all that plus tod, dynamic weather will be possible at the visual quality of the nxt GT
Spa 2017 wasn't the same thing at all. Vettel did not need to brake to avoid rear ending hamilton lmao are you blind? The reason fraga lifts is to either cause hizal to either drive into the back of him, spin out to avoid an accident or to take of his speed by brake checking. Gues what two of things happened. Brake checking does not even need you to actually brake. Lifting the throttle already causes the car to slow down really quickly. If you just lift off the throttle in these x2019 cars the car decelarates harder than your normal car can do if you press the brakes as hard as you can because of the drag and downforce (if you are even old enough to drive lol). There is a clear fia rule about this kind of dangerous driving and fraga should have been penalized twice for it. Moving out and letting people go and then repassing them is fine but if you brake check them that should be a penalty. Of course as always the stewards are most of the time blind cowards just like in f1 and penalties are given with only one single goal in mind. To keep the results as is to appease the lowest common denominator fans like alex_fastlane... Allowing this kind of dirty driving will only lead to more crashes. If you are allowed to brake check then we will see a lot more it in future. Of course there are always fans who like dirty driving but at that point it is no longer about driving skills. It is about driving into other cars.
@@erwinlommer197 I dont know why you have to become personal, but if you are interested: No, I'm not blind and I'm allowed to drive cars. I even drove Spa irl and play Gran Turismo since part 1. Back to topic: Fraga did not brake check. He's been trying to break the momentum of Hizal, a common defense method in racing. But the slipstream is probably even stronger here than irl. That's why the timing did not quite fit. Now that I've looked at the scene many times, I have to admit that Fraga may have exaggerated it. Anyhow, lets look forward to a great Spa F1 Weekend. Cheers!
@@autoalex99 Fraga did brakecheck. That's why hizal had no choise but to drive into the back him. Probably twice because they did not want to show the second incident. I still have serious doubts about your eye sight...
And if Hizal had to back off to save fuel, then he underfueled to begin with and would never had enough to challenge irrespective of what happened. Fragas strategy was better.
The amount of guys and members since yesterday including the man himself saying he was running low of fuel and guys are still saying "he gave up" 😂 😂 😂
@@jayjonesss The only people saying he ran out of fuel are those believing Hizal saying he ran out of fuel - nobody else. There's no way he'd lose some 4 seconds after such a short time and then keep the same pace afterwards if he was simply fuel saving.
I'm puzzled by this whole thing. So by Igor letting off the gas, Mik is allowed to pass him...and Igor got a 5 second penalty which is WAY more than the amount time Mik lost trying to serve around igor. So I'm not saying Igor's move was good, but there wasn't really any negative impact for Mik...only a benefit in the end. So why all the drama?
Igor allowed Mik to pass because he knew he could slipstream past him on the long straight that was coming up, instead of fighting for his position, that isn’t something allowed if you’re fighting for the lead
Yeah I liked the perspective given by the other drivers in the recent video where Jimmy walked around . The consensus was something like, it may not be an illegal move but it could have hurt someone in real life racing and therefore should be frowned upon here as well
Adlamo Yeah. I said this to another person in one of these commentaries.... What Igor did was not 100% clean, but also not dirty. The way he did, his accuracy was perfect to make that move and made everything look nice. It was a dangerous move, but he did it right, so it’s okay. I think that he has gone at the limit of the rules of this event. It was allowed, but if he did something more or if he did that move wrong could be not allowed. A lil confused, but it is what happened. Nobody was expecting that but was ok.
If you are talking about simulator than you need real life penalties and that could end up in big crash for both of them so the 5 second penalties is nothing.
I noticed how many times Fraga looked at Hizal everytime he made some moves, like he wanted to tease him in some way... Not a great behaviour from him, like he wanted to show dominance of some sort :\ On the other hand, it's true that driving cleanly means, most of the times, going fast and smooth... But it's still racing, contacts do happen and Fraga, who's one that knows what happens in a race, clearly stated it.
Sorry, but I checked the livestream replay on lap 16 and 17 (when these moves happened) and only find Fraga looking at Hizal ONE time. On the other hand, Hizal was looking at Fraga often, not the other way around. So I have no idea of what you're talking about. It's pretty sad to see people trying to frame Igor Fraga as an evil guy with no reason whatsoever.
@@joaoandrade2828 your talking about a game, Your Fregona is a calculated mischief, all the moves are thought off, I see him like Ocon, nice exterior but inside rotten.
Completely agree with Mic: If dirty wins, we‘ll all have to go dirty to win. And that stunt Fraga pulled was clever but dirty. Yeah, they do that in GT3 IRL too, and it’s crazy dangerous there. But can’t E-Sports be a little cleaner than RL, for once? Looks like the promoters don’t push in that direction: Clean is boring. It‘s a sales event after all, and the drivers are the circus animals 🤷🏻♂️
It is really important to remember that GT Sport is an arcade game it is not a simulator. As much as they try to push it as a real representation of racing, anyone who has ever played this game knows the only way to consistently win is to drive dirty. People dive bomb you into Corners with no hopes of making the corner and less they make contact with you. And a lot of people would not drive that way if the game had damage being done to the cars. Fraga would have never done that move because he knows he would have got rear-ended and knocked out of the race. Just remember guys relax it's not a real thing it will always be faulty.
North Americans and Europeans don't like see a Brazilian guy win something. Always using excuses like "dirty driver" "dirty gamer'... They cry like a baby to be honest.
What he did is a very normal defensive strategy done throughout the entire Gr. B race. Mostly seen when you defend the inside and park it on the apex to avoid the cutback. It’s done so much throughout that race or racing in general. Just unusual to see it done in that corner. Still the same move though. Hard but not worthy of a penalty
TWeK Racing nah it’s completely different through a corner that’s easily flat out. I’d understand if it were a small lift or if the corner was one that could have mistakes where you can’t take it flat. But it’s clear he could have easily gone flat through it yet he lifted off significantly through the corner and going into it
TWeK Racing he went from being 0.5 ahead to having him right on his bumper, through a corner that ought to be flat out, what’s the difference between lift and brake checking someone at that point? The result is the same
If you hug the inside to avoid a cutback you can easy get on the power but you choose to Waite till the guy behind has to break or drop of at least. It’s discribed in tidgenys lesson about defending :p
@@ThomasSWK You're confusing a corner where you have to slow down for with a flatout one. Braking or otherwise slowing down in an acceleration zone is deemed as dangerous driving. Not to mention, if you hug the inside to avoid the cutback you can't go back on the power as quickly as if you had taken a normal line, because if you did you'd either spin out or go wide and create a gap between you and the apex. It's one thing to take a different line that forces those behind you to slow down more than usually in a corner where everyone has to brake anyway and another lifting in a high downforce car in an acceleration zone right before an easily flat out corner when there's someone directly behind you.
@@bilcozbi67 Yeah there the difference "as they let him be" in this one that not aggressive that already leaping to dangerous driving territory, in my experience seeing F1 i never seen anyone especially the best of the best lift the throttle around Eau Rouge,Raidillon,and Kemmel straight purposely only to block someone pass as it really putting yourself in the most dangerous place for an accident
@@bilcozbi67 Took out Damon Hill to win a title. Ruins Alonso's quali lap at Monaco. Tries (and fails) to take out Jacques Villeneuve at the 1997 season finale. Nobody else may agree, but I salute you for having the balls to speak the truth.
Congratulations coque on your podium! The usual happy atmosphere was soured at this event. Regardless of right or wrong, hizal has heaped pressure on his own head by looking like a sore loser, even accusing pd of fixing the competition. He was also quite rude and cocky on the proam podium hence why JPM dissed him so hard at a live event!
Hizal lacks the agressiveness and coldness of a real champion. And also a grain of dirtiness. Why not? This is motorsport. He should learn something from his countryman Schumacher. Being 100% clean will only get him destroyed at every fuckin’ race.
So I’m torn. On one hand while fraga is very fast especially in the redbull, he has had this issue before of causing controversy for his aggressive driving style, however it hizal didn’t have a tantrum and throw away the pace he had and kept fighting, he would have won the race. Use that anger to keep fighting or cool it and keep the pace. But the penalty was bs as well and that 5 sec penalty is as bad as running into the wall where running aiming off the road is easy 10 to 15 sec and if they want to make this more realistic could have been worse but as many have mentioned, sometimes they just let it go and let them race on with no penalty. Just a shame to have fraga constantly winning the way he does, but hizal letting his emotions get to him to throw the race away. A lot to learn from this event
The 5 second penalty didn’t matter in the end because Hizal had to save fuel. He was not a “quitter” as many of you are saying, underfueled to keep in front of Cody and used it trying to pass Fraga. Fraga lifted through a flat out kink, ruining Hizal’s only chance at an overtake that lap due to the effect of dirty air on the car. By the end of the lap he was out of slipstream and forced to save fuel, so at the very least he was locked into the finals. Because of that he fell back to be safe, and the 5 second penalty didn’t matter because of it. If he had gotten past, he could have saved fuel and maintained his gap due to dirty air, but instead he was forced to give up any chance of a win. Completely dirty move by Fraga, unacceptable for a series so desperate to be taken seriously. If he were given that 5 second penalty during the race, the podium may have looked different. But instead they waited over 5 laps till after the race finished because reasons. That mess tainted what was otherwise a great event.
I suspect he had enough fuel but didn't want to admit he quit. Hizal never makes mistakes with fuel his body language after being forced off the track spoke volumes when he didn't see it being investigated.
@@gasixteenb11 You could see how much fuel they took onboard in the race. Hizal did indeed took less than others so while it may feel like he gave up, there's definitely a lot of evidence to back up his claim. Not to mention people can just run the same amount of laps in game with that fuel and see if he really had to fuel save or not.
Hizal fuel saving argument doesn't explain how or why he suddenly was 4 seconds down...it looks to me like the pressure got to him and he mentally collapsed, whereas fraga was calculating how to break him psychologically. Fraga was pushing the boundaries of acceptable tactics. Hizal accused pd of fixing the competition, maybe he should retire from GTS or at least stay clear of live events.
@@GMak81 are you surprised? I'm sure you saw the last event at the Nurbring. So let's deal with this final...rewind to the previous lap where at the same point Hizal made room and allowed Igor space to progress. Are you suggesting that unsportsmanlike behavior should not be questioned? I'm sure there was some conspiracy because the clowns...or stewards... didn't react till after so it was easy to fix the outcome.
@@GMak81 How it doesn't explain? It perfectly explains why he dropped, since not only he was slower through the corners due to dirty air he could no longer gain on the straights due to running on a much lower preset, so he had a lot less power. And since those are high downforce cars, the lack of power affects them especially strong.
He intentionally let off the gas before the main straight when Hizal was right behind, forcing Hizal to have to brake at the top of the hill to avoid a crash - killing all his momentum. That and a few other questionable moves.
Matthew McLean He did a move hamilton did on the same track. Vettel did on the previous race... It’s usual, but.... the still got the penalty. Hizal fuelled less on the last pitstop, so the last laps he had to save fuel.
I don’t really get what he did wrong? He lift off so to get the slip stream up the straight?if anything lightning should of bumped him to stay behind, or just not gone past him. I mean this is pretty basic gtsport tactics?
I dont think they showed the correct lap, brilliant stuff by Fraga with the slipstream. But what Hizal meant was on lap 17, Fraga was in front of Hizal, on the way up to Eau Rogue, Fraga let off the throttle and Hizal had no choice but to brake on top of Radillion to avoid massive contact. What Fraga did, in my opinion was not an illegal move, but its really dirty
daveruda yeah it’s dirty, I’ve since watched the race, and I agree it’s dirty, they show the wrong clip here,but it’s also just racing, can’t ever remember someone getting a penalty in any motorsport for lifting the throttle, like I said lightning should of just hit up the rear, I mean if iof got a Penalty for lifting then surely if there was a crash then it wouldn’t of been Lightning’s fault.
@@mgarcia the 5 seconds was a joke, to try and say we slapped him on the wrist. This man is draving IRL for PD he needs to set a better example than "I did it to break his concentration" That was dirty and dangerous if it was on the real track.
Remember when in 2016's Beta Race event in Nurburg Ring they had full course yellow situations after every accident .. the drivers had to slow down to 60km/h and no overtaking was allowed. Instead we get fake formel one cars going 400km/h instead of racing with proper fun cars : GT2, 3 and 4 Formel 1/LMP instead of red bull fueled fake open wheelers. stop the picture in picture ... keep the game full screen and have pip that way without resizing constantly. Remove the numbers on top of the cars, and names ... we know that person x is racing an Nissan or BMW.
Still annoyed that A) they have not improved the replay camera yet, always focused on 1 car instead of having a wider shot,frame capturing when some are having a battle or in general for a better coverage B) resizing back and forth just annoys the c.ap out of me C) the useless names and numbers in top of each car .. disable these for a clearer picture Overall I liked, yes.
I must admit I've never been a fan of the floating name UI, it looks so much sweeter without, but I guess PD think we'll all be too confused without it.
But the loser here is Hizal If he didnt cry/throw manchild tantrum he can easily win this after the penalty. so the lesson here is never give up. Fraga tried by all mean to win, even if that net him 5 second penalty which definitely didnt look good. But Hizal just gave up mid race.
he clarified that....he underfueled for a faster pit....then used more fuel to try n overtake fraga......then had to back off to save fuel and bring the car over the line
@@sanketFX07 dude that bullshit. SO let say he take low fuel and manage to overtake fraga. he still have to push really hard to win, so he will run out of fuel anyway?? Any adult could see he gave up mid race. Even from behind, He can easily get the gap below 5 seconds if he want to because he is a talented driver but he choose to cry and give up
@@wowwowwow597 You pick and choose don't u mate. I take your point. But just except that Fraga blatantly slowed on the fastest corner which only has 1 racing line to impede and stop Hizal from getting past. It's foul play. Maybe Fraga would still have won but its just bad sportsmanship
@@jf710 dude. I rooting for Hizal. I despise Fraga for doing that on purpose but Hizal giving up mid race is also disgusting. I totally agree they just give fraga 5 seconds penalty so that Hizal cant win. If they give penalty enough for Hizal to win, from now on, everyone will just throwing tantrum, give up, crying, everytime any unfavourable things happen to them in race. that would seriously suckass.
Igors Penalty is a Joke especially because he runs real motorsport if he did that in the real race that would be a black flag and if he had someone behind him who did not react that well both would have landed in the Tires.
Eppmaster he wouldn’t have been black flagged.... There is a reason he is the one doing this kind of move.... because you do it in real life! It’s racing
When does he belittles other players? He's one of the cleanest drivers in the entire game, including at these live events. You can't say the same about Igor, obviosuly. Oh, and he's not paid by PD, so he doesn't have to pretend he's happy with shitty decisions and unfair driving.
So he is not allowed to be disappointed with not winning the race? He's not allowed to show his real emotions after that? Who wouldn't feel gutted after that race? Obviously not you, it seems
This is the racing thing! Tell Hizal to stop it is true if there was something wrong is part of, the last event in Germany Coque lost second place worse and maybe even the first place with latowsky and as a professional did not tantrum as a child, igor is the first time He is accused of something like that, being a champion without doubts before, so the question remains if he really did it intentionally, anyway, just be a professional, because beside about they say about dirty air etc it was very low gas to finish the face in first place.
What needs to be seen,, this isn't some online petty race. It's the top elite racer in a major tournament who set the example for up coming racers, plus there the place to become a real life racer, standards are what need to be seen,, yes some might call hizal petty but fraga knows the limits, the game, the track and fair play,, simple it was dirty and not needed,, he's a top racer fraga is and full credit to his driving ability but still,,, in this race he should of been cleaner,, yes alot is at stake but its better to win clean and fair play then to do silly things,, plus it not like he was racing for place in the top tournament he had already got his place,,, certainly going to heated between these two now
Igor would have lost if he didn't pull that dirty stunt. I'm not a fan of either of them so my opinion isn't biased. It feels like Igor is the FIA golden child at the moment and the 5 second penalty was a smack on the wrist. It deserved a 10 second penalty, same as Cody's, or at the very worst they should have disqualified Igor for unsportsmanlike behavior, to set an example that dirty tricks like these will not be tolerated in these events.
No way. The penalty cant be the same as the cody did to Mia. 1)Cody ruined the race of the japonese driver. He was the best driver there and his race was ruined. He had real chances to be the winner. 2) Hizal btw, after all this could win if he didnt gave up. If he keep fighitng the Igor's penalty of 5s could help him. But Hizal gave up and used the excuse of fuel etc, so bad lucky for him. He had chances. 3)Igor still could win if he ddint did that move against Hizal. He was way faster than Hizal and Hizal was going to be out of fuel anyway, so Igor could catch him again with a lil more difficult but still could get Hizal. dont think that Igor is the tottaly bad guy here. He just made this final more epic, cause he could win anyway. Mia was the faster driver and who had more chances to win. Hizal dont. He made an good race, but withou any risks, without being agressive etc. And If he attacked back Igor, who knows what could happen? Well, he gave up. Was a decision of him and cost him the victory.
@@_Vino. I'm judging both the incidents individually, Cody blocked the Japanese driver (albeit at a slower speed), the Japanese couldn't take evasive action and subsequently his race was ruined. Igor blocked TRL, forcing TRL to take evasive action by braking, ruining his race. I will fault Hizal for giving up too easily and that's all on him. Had Igor not pulled off that dirty move, TRL would have sped away into the distance because he was on the faster tyre before he had to start fuel saving. Igor would not have caught him without the aid of a slipstream. Hence it should have been 10 second penalties for both incidents because if TRL didn't brake, there would have been an collision. Well the next race is going to be epic and I hope that TRL sticks to his word and drives and defends more aggressively.
Hizal never had the fuel. The only reason he was near Fraga was because he under fuelled. So no, he wouldn't have won it. And neither was his move unsportsmanlike, it's a strategy used endless times at spa in real life. It was a tad over aggressive but that's what these finals are all about. To carry it in the same bracket at Latkovskis murdering of Miyazono is just silly.
RedlineShadow29 Hope after Kishner they don’t mistake Buenos Aires as the capital of Vezenuela. I mean. To this a first world internet is needed, also paper towels, or aerolineas that really works. Let’s all say: byyyye bye Argentina.
If you ask me, I don't think the penalty fits the crime... And usually when that is said, it's usually in the context of the penalty being too severe. In this case, it's the other way around. Fraga's on-track behaviour was deemed 'dangerous driving,' and yet they only penalized him with 5 seconds? That should have been 10! (If it was 'careless driving,' then 5 would be justified.) Personally, I think Fraga should either be stripped of his automatic qualification for the World Final in Monaco, or be told not to compete in Salzsburg. And even if you think THAT'S too severe, it really doesn't matter; this is NOT a good look for him. I will openly admit that Fraga is a gun driver, but stuff like this just make me lose respect for him. I won't be surprised if Fraga gets booed at the next event he attends... (And equally won't be surprised if it doesn't happen - either outcome is to be expected.)
if he would not have pushed out my friend nico in the 1st corner, nico would have won the race easily, but this Igor got rid of his opponents, as if he was shummy himself
Honestly I’m just gutted we got robbed of seeing Miyazano’s strategy play out to the end - was very smart getting off the hards right away and running the car as light as possible for as long as possible, while still having enough fuel to push at the final stint
Justice for Miyazono.
The good thing about this controversial act is. . .
The next race is going to be epic.
And the promotion team should emphasize this to promote Gtsport.
Miyazano driver of the day. Great, but he would have won the race if he wasn't spun out.
It is a dirty move to lift off when you should and can be going full throttle. Fraga knew he was a sitting duck and parked it in front of Hizal. Fraga was the faster driver all day and would've gotten back past Hizal with the slipstream and fuel later on. The move was unnecessary. Which is probably why Hizal is upset. Fraga could've certainly raced more respectfully. Question is...is Fraga that aggressive when racing for real? Because he could get himself or somebody else seriously injured doing things like that.
Seems he intend to be in real
I think Fragas moves were wrong.
Like hamilton did on vettel same corner?
@@joshflynn2173 That never happened, nice try
how was Fraga the fastest driver all day? Hizal did 1 fast lap and got the pole?
I hope Hizal have learned something with this incident,because in motorsport some drivers are even more agressive than Fraga was,and this is considered fair in many types of racing.Hizal himself should be more agressive,maybe it's what is lacking in his driving style.
Agreed he is way too soft and passive. He is incredibly fast and knows how to corner well, but he really needs to be more aggressive against the other drivers.
In formulas, that move would send you flying into the wall. Hizal lacks nothing to win as he has shown over and over. Some others lack sportsmanship and use dirty tactics. Those are the problem.
There's a difference in being aggressive and being a stupid clown.
@@ricardoalmeida4719 Tactics, wether someone thinks they are dirty or not will always be a part of racing. You cant just be fast, you have to be mentally smart and stable.
Pinnacle And sponsored by the organizer must help.
Miyazono didn't really say if 2 sets of softs was intentional, but I think he intentionally filled for a 6 lap stint each time.
the guy was gonna finish 3rd behind Hizal and Fraga. Chances are he knew what he was doing? Why do commentators always need to act dumb af
Even with the 5sec penalty post-race, Fraga still won. Hizal gave up or messed up with the fuel strategy, Fraga deserved the win.
Are you serious? A 5 sec during the race always results in more time lost. Lopez got a 1sec penalty and lost 2 seconds. A 5 second penalty would result in more than 7 or 8 seconds lost.
@@ricardoalmeida4719 i'm assuming that the penalty was more of a academic move, but still, there was 6sec gap between Fraga and Hizal at the end of the race.
Lucas Batista Yes. And a 5sec penalty would result in over 7seconds, to say the least. You can try it yourself in the game.
I believe that the OP slipstream in the game (recently increased) contributed to the incident/s, as it requires the lead driver to implement strategies to mitigate against the chasing car closing in more than it would in reality.
Modelling how air impacts the cars in the game is not yet optimal. I guess it is difficult to programme this aspect.
Good. I'm not the only one who realizes that the overtaking incident was caused by the unrealistic slipstream. As far as I am concerned, Fraga did an outstanding move going into the slipstream and slingshoting past Hizal. I mean, I canr even understand how people are even arguing about it being illegal, when Fraga just used what was available to him there and then, and which, unfortunately for Hizal, was GT Sport Slipstream. I just can't help but laugh at people arguing the move was illegal when the slipstream is what should be talked about and revised
@@alimusamamman3267 That's my problem with pro gran turismo races. There are a bunch of things you can do and get away with which are unrealistic. Racing is a lot of fun in GT S but if I race in these championships I want a "clean" race, which means I don't want people jumping over 10 foot curbs with F1 cars, I want it to be realistic both in terms of mechanics but also strategies. It's not "clever" game mechanics if falling back and following the leader is the best strategy to win, and it's not "clever" to use that as a "strategy", in my opinion that's a bug and people using it to their advantage are bug-using. The game should make you plan your strategy and it does as far as pit stops etc. go, but there are also plenty of unrealistic aspects about it. It's a large grey area but like I said many strategies aren't "clean" or at least not realistic. The best battles are realistic ones.
@@herberthans7015 I agree with most of what u said. But here is the thing... The slipstream isn't a bug. It's a part of the game mechanics, and Fraga simply used whatever advantage he could use to win that specific encounter. He didn't do anything dirty, didn't send Hizal to the shadow realm. He just used the unrealistic slipstream to his advantage.
@@alimusamamman3267 Yeah I'm not saying he cheated and buguse is a strong word. Like I said it's a grey area. Of course the champion is going to abuse the hell out of every single aspect of the game mechanics and he's not cheating f.e. there was a break boosting bug you could use to accelerate faster which is an entirely different thing that's plain cheating, I don't think anyone would try that in the tournament though. However using unrealistic tactics because the game is unrealistic is no excuse, his only excuse is that he wants to win. If winning is more important than having clean, fun races then there's something wrong with the game. This reminds me of playing battlefield online, they introduced overpowered weapons and almost every pro was using them, it completely ruined the game because these weapons weren't just overpowered but broken, but these weapons technically were features not bugs. So you don't need bugs to completely ruin a game, you just need bad game mechanics or "features" that people can or have to abuse. Once everyone (ab)uses the unrealistic feature/bug it's a massive issue and it spreads like HIV because everyone wants to win. The main things GT has to get right is realism and fun, and the slipstream fails both, it might be a fun feature but not at the pro level, it turns out to be a bug there. It sure is a grey zone and it's not cheating, calling it a bug might not be accurate either, but if you simply consider wether or not it contributes to the fun-factor and realism of the game you can quickly figure out what's seriously wrong and what's fine.
@@herberthans7015 we could argue over this over and over again whether what Fraga did was illegal or not, but I'm not going to. It's not just that I'm lazy and busy, but it defeats one of the earlier statements I made. The point of what I said was to be bring attention to the slipstream. It needs to be revised so that it can stop anything like this happening again.
I love this shit. Imagine the next race these two are up against eachother, you have to be there to watch it.
Right! thats what im saying, this is "human drama" Hizal probably wont like it, I can see him properly flipping out if Fraga steps on his toes again.... Hizal had himself under control in the interview avoiding finger pointing and eye contact... No PR needed for the next round.... they should put Fraga v Hizal on the cover of the next game lol... maybe driving gloves will be thrown, what an advert for esports especially with the ace commentating!!!
I don't like that Igor did what he did, but if I were PD I'd milk the h*ck out of this. The next event in Salzburg just got WAY more interesting!
Make up a rivalry and the attendance is skyrocketing. Like in real F1 or Moto GP races after a bad crash or an incident like Rossi vs Marquez. Way to do it! Brings more money to the event!
@@jimmyarias123 Lol now that you say that would I be willing to see Hizal do a full lock and take Fraga out just to stop his nemesis getting on the podium.... and would Fraga still look as angelic and innocent as he is now... Hmmmm am i just hyping this up to silly levels that nothing extraordinary happens next round
I wanted Lightning to win this one, he's waited long enough. That being said, Igor raced well. The same thing happened between Lewis and Vettel last year in Spa and there were no penalties. It's a racing tactic just like going defensive, dive-bombing, parking on the apex...
Also if he needed to save fuel, Igor would have come past in the end.
But did he really need to save fuel or did he just throw a hissy fit?
@@minners71 fuel or fit, either way both ultimately cost him the win
Lewis was part throttle leading up to eau rouge much like Igor but the difference is Lewis didn't slow down in the middle and top of eau rouge causing vettel to hit the brakes.
Oooooh now GT sport is getting rivalries! Could we see Fraga v Hizal on the cover of anything anytime soon... i would love to see someone throw a few f bombs, a pair of gloves in anger... its all abit too formal and neat.... the racing is exciting though and this drama could elevate esport GT into something casual people watch.... people love a bit of drama, "human drama" and rivalries.... i think Hizal is feeling the pressure.... eversince gt5 he was always top of the weekly leaderboards... and for the past few GTsport competitions hes either nearly made it or hes completely out of it.... was the last controversy also involving Hizal and Fraga the last corner of the last race where it was 3 cars vying for a corner, I know Fraga was involved and I think he won it... I do like Hizal though, that innocent look on Fraga doesnt hide that hes an assassin
No the last event didn't involve Hizal and the person always at top of leader board since gt5 was TRL_IMMORTALPILOT another competitor named Pablo Cyzt
@@gasixteenb11
Is he even still around?
@@bogueji1 no he's not. Last time i spoke with him he was expected to purchase a csl elite. I suspect certain aspects of GT Sport is not appealing to him. I only got it after a great deal of encouragement from Tidgney. Even Twissy is not playing anymore
@@gasixteenb11 Was TRL lightning not the one on the leaderboards??? I remember that name as i always saved the replays... but anyway this just hypes up the next round of races between Hizal and Fraga... will Hizal resort to cheating/different approach to racing now? will he go drop off.... I can see it getting to him
@@antwango not the one always on top but at times the several of the other Team Red Line members ruled top spot including TRL _snow, TRL_BEAU, TRL_LIGHTNING and others but the most frequent name was Immortal. Some were great at time trials and others are also great at racing. They excellent at specific track tuning.
If Fraga had done that IRL at Spa he would have put his and Hizal's lives at risk and caused a massive accident
He got a penalty, what do you want more?
@@AdrianFerrari I mean I know in several online racing leagues that that kind of deliberate conduct would lead to a race ban, but that's just an opinion at the end of the day I guess
Seriously though if they want to treat this series like real life they should treat the penalties the same way. The penalty would have been much steeper in any other series racing at spa.
And that's not even the worst inconsistency of the stewarding..
Like where were ANY stewards during the SF19 blue moon race? Slamming bumping, and not enforcing the "no bump drafting" rule they put in place?
I love this esports series because it's so polished but today's championship showed it's not perfect.
@@anthoslykos6294 Come on man everyone knows its not perfect.. its the first trial, if GT implements a proper damage model detailed enough to include 30+ cars then everything has to be relative.. then things and stakes will be higher... at the moment I dont think you can ask for outright bans... i mean the severity of punishment relative to whats happening on screen... im sure theyre working on it once GT esports takes off and for the last view races GT has been rivetting add to this the rivalries appearing... the next round is a must watch for Hizal v Fraga alone, dont care what new track or cars or features they add... well i do lol but this human drama is his masterplan lol
Fraga is a winner. He did what was needed to win, and deserves the due respect. He was lucky that Miyazono was taken out, but that's the way the chips fall.
Hizal is a sore-assed loser. His need to fuelsave was not a result of Fraga's tactics, it was a result of his own.
The translator needs to have more of Miyazono's answer translated. I am not great in Japanese but I clearly caught more info in his Japanese reply than what the translator gave us in English.
Interestingly, most of the people who are mocking Hizal for being unhappy are most likely always whining and moaning as soon as somebody overtakes them in a Sport mode race.
Tha boi weak......
In daily races they don't do half acceleration, THEY CRASH PURPOSLY. Different occasions.
@@AdrianFerrari Especially in Race A lol. And they're doing that in A+/S or A/S lobbies.
@@BenKill yes, but I mean, what happened today is different from what happens on daily races.
Why are they still crying? Igor got a 5 sec penalty because of that. But he still won by final result.
Adrian Ferrari - Jogos de Esporte because he had to use more fuel trying to overtake him rather than saving it more gradually if Hizal was in front
Oh boy.... I was there. It was awkward
Desert Penguin I feel so bad for lightning though, he deserves much better than this
I missed it all was he really really angry like getting up and throwing his driving gloves at him
Bad loser
@@antwango didn't see but he was definitely fuming to his teammates right after. He was very animated
Good point. It's always awkward competing against friends.. I think it's even more awkward seeing friends compete one another.
Honestly, Hizal deserves nothing just for being such a bad sportsman and dragging the tone of the event down. It's a final, you're going to have to get your elbows out. Your up against a smart real racing driver ffs. I'm not buying that 'saving fuel' excuse either for dropping so far back. It's not as if Frage ruined his race by punting him off, unlike some others.
@R4M_Gummi He did indeed. I reckon if Hizal hadn't been so frugal with the fuel, he wouldn't have been anywhere near Fraga in the first place to get himself into trouble.
I want Hizal to kick Fraga's arse on the next race!
Jack Bogus Fraga 3x0 Hizal already. C’mon LOL
And hizal also on a total of 0 victories the last 5 finals. Hizal is the only one to blame.
@@laureane5454 Yes, but had Fraga not cheated at Spa he could have got ahead.
3:02 "what am is supposed to do in that situation?"
You are supposed to lose mate!
Lol true
Fraga was smart, not dirty.
Both
@@georgejakob1451 I think all the greats in motorsport have done something similar: Senna, Schumacher, Alonso, Hamilton, Verstappen etc...
He didn't put Hizal off the track - he just outsmarted him and I think that's what really hurt Hizal.
@@neilwilliams2883 thats kind of true
Guess the 5 second penalty is there as decoration I guess
@@realree27 It was kinda fair if hizal didn't give he could of won.
Jimmy was so livid with the whole Fraga incident and the GT guys were really only talking about that, but the story of this race was actually the DIRTY Latkovski taking victory from Miyazono with that murderous rejoin and robbing Lopez's victory ramming him wide in the last corner.
Yes, if not for the himalayas frags spat, everyone would be focused on what looked like latkowski deliberately destroying someone's race. Combined with him claiming south Americans only winning through luck, he is no sportsman! I can't believe we saw low Dr Sr salt from top drivers. Shameful.
Iirc I was pretty hard on Cody for his incident too.
To be honest, i just see a Fraga's masterpiece.
Wow. I thought the 5 seconds penalty for Vettel in Canada this year was harsh. This was a joke. The leader can dictate the pace and it was a corner after all. A flat out corner or not. Hizal is a petty little man.
IMO:
Latkovsky - dirtish "no space" for Miyzono
Fraga - Clean
Hizal - pretends to be a victim with weak tires and a lack of fuel
Fraga has clean win race with 5 second penalty after the race, yeah, clean.
Can’t believe Fraga is even being questioned here. Who has ever got a penalty in real motorsport for half-lifting?
I believe Hamilton defended from Vettel after the safety car restart in the 2017 Belgian GP (successfully and without question) in exactly the same way.
EDIT: Julia needs to go...
Yes, it was Spa 2017 and it is a carbon copy of what happened here, no penalty obviously.
No she doesn't... think all 3 perfectly complement each other, and theres great chemistry between them all
You need to check your memory then.
@@AB-wc5jm No it wasn't. Vettel and Lewis were close but there was no contact and vettel didn't hit his brakes. Go check the video. In GT the slipsteam is ridiculously strong, to if you lift, it's like you're braking in these high downforce cars. You guys really need to re watch what happend in Spa.
@@ricardoalmeida4719 Fraga NEVER hit is brakes, he got a penalty for "dangerous lifting" which doesn't exist anywhere, I even saw Hamilton telemetry and it's exactly the same thing. Fraga lifted quickly to around 50% just the same as Hamilton on the same spot.
Fraga did what he had to do. It's a racing championship! Come on! Mr. Hizal must evolve if he wants to win. Take it!
F1 Spa 2017:
Hamilton confirmed that he lifted just before Eau Rouge to prevent Vettel overtaking on Kemmels.
F1 Montreal 2013:
Just before DRS detection point Hamilton tries to let pass Alonso so he gets DRS afterwards (but Alonso was prepared).
No Penalties! You can find both incidents on RUclips.
I would have liked the victory for Mikail but i think what Igor did on him is not that extraordinary irl racing.
However, no one has talked about Igor completely pushing out Nico in T1, even though Nico was slightly ahead at the apex. Nico was on softs an could have won this!
This is why we need an in depth damage modelling system to hopefully make it fair... Its got to be an amazing damage model to include what 30+ odd cars on PS5 at 4k/8k 60fps and for VR... this will hopefully cut out certain people getting away without punishment.... hopefully the PS5 is the beast its rumoured to be... have high hopes that all that plus tod, dynamic weather will be possible at the visual quality of the nxt GT
Remember when Coulthard lifted and let Schumacher crash in his back in a rainy Spa Belgian GP?
Spa 2017 wasn't the same thing at all. Vettel did not need to brake to avoid rear ending hamilton lmao are you blind? The reason fraga lifts is to either cause hizal to either drive into the back of him, spin out to avoid an accident or to take of his speed by brake checking. Gues what two of things happened. Brake checking does not even need you to actually brake. Lifting the throttle already causes the car to slow down really quickly. If you just lift off the throttle in these x2019 cars the car decelarates harder than your normal car can do if you press the brakes as hard as you can because of the drag and downforce (if you are even old enough to drive lol).
There is a clear fia rule about this kind of dangerous driving and fraga should have been penalized twice for it. Moving out and letting people go and then repassing them is fine but if you brake check them that should be a penalty. Of course as always the stewards are most of the time blind cowards just like in f1 and penalties are given with only one single goal in mind. To keep the results as is to appease the lowest common denominator fans like alex_fastlane...
Allowing this kind of dirty driving will only lead to more crashes. If you are allowed to brake check then we will see a lot more it in future. Of course there are always fans who like dirty driving but at that point it is no longer about driving skills. It is about driving into other cars.
@@erwinlommer197
I dont know why you have to become personal, but if you are interested: No, I'm not blind and I'm allowed to drive cars. I even drove Spa irl and play Gran Turismo since part 1.
Back to topic:
Fraga did not brake check. He's been trying to break the momentum of Hizal, a common defense method in racing.
But the slipstream is probably even stronger here than irl. That's why the timing did not quite fit. Now that I've looked at the scene many times, I have to admit that Fraga may have exaggerated it.
Anyhow, lets look forward to a great Spa F1 Weekend. Cheers!
@@autoalex99 Fraga did brakecheck. That's why hizal had no choise but to drive into the back him. Probably twice because they did not want to show the second incident. I still have serious doubts about your eye sight...
And if Hizal had to back off to save fuel, then he underfueled to begin with and would never had enough to challenge irrespective of what happened. Fragas strategy was better.
Guaranteed Fraga would complain if Hizal did that to him. I personally think it was dirty and completely unnecessary.
Round 2 FIGHT!!!!!
Gaz B 007 Fraga wouldn’t complain. Trust me on that.
He won't complain because if he did he will reveal his true nature, all those innocent looking face he done for years will be waste.
Hizal only has himself to blame. He would have won this if he didn't throw a hissy fit and give up.
The amount of guys and members since yesterday including the man himself saying he was running low of fuel and guys are still saying "he gave up" 😂 😂 😂
@@jayjonesss The only people saying he ran out of fuel are those believing Hizal saying he ran out of fuel - nobody else. There's no way he'd lose some 4 seconds after such a short time and then keep the same pace afterwards if he was simply fuel saving.
@@PolemicContrarian you honor your name and familie
I'm puzzled by this whole thing. So by Igor letting off the gas, Mik is allowed to pass him...and Igor got a 5 second penalty which is WAY more than the amount time Mik lost trying to serve around igor. So I'm not saying Igor's move was good, but there wasn't really any negative impact for Mik...only a benefit in the end. So why all the drama?
cause Igor always win. Hizal is tired of this then he cried HAHAHA
Igor allowed Mik to pass because he knew he could slipstream past him on the long straight that was coming up, instead of fighting for his position, that isn’t something allowed if you’re fighting for the lead
Yeah I liked the perspective given by the other drivers in the recent video where Jimmy walked around . The consensus was something like, it may not be an illegal move but it could have hurt someone in real life racing and therefore should be frowned upon here as well
Adlamo Yeah. I said this to another person in one of these commentaries....
What Igor did was not 100% clean, but also not dirty.
The way he did, his accuracy was perfect to make that move and made everything look nice. It was a dangerous move, but he did it right, so it’s okay.
I think that he has gone at the limit of the rules of this event. It was allowed, but if he did something more or if he did that move wrong could be not allowed.
A lil confused, but it is what happened. Nobody was expecting that but was ok.
Also Mik fuelled less on the last pitstop. Hazal wouldn’t hold the leading 3 laps on fuel save mode.
If you are talking about simulator than you need real life penalties and that could end up in big crash for both of them so the 5 second penalties is nothing.
I noticed how many times Fraga looked at Hizal everytime he made some moves, like he wanted to tease him in some way... Not a great behaviour from him, like he wanted to show dominance of some sort :\
On the other hand, it's true that driving cleanly means, most of the times, going fast and smooth... But it's still racing, contacts do happen and Fraga, who's one that knows what happens in a race, clearly stated it.
I would have punched le favelero on the head.
Sorry, but I checked the livestream replay on lap 16 and 17 (when these moves happened) and only find Fraga looking at Hizal ONE time. On the other hand, Hizal was looking at Fraga often, not the other way around. So I have no idea of what you're talking about. It's pretty sad to see people trying to frame Igor Fraga as an evil guy with no reason whatsoever.
@@joaoandrade2828 your talking about a game, Your Fregona is a calculated mischief, all the moves are thought off, I see him like Ocon, nice exterior but inside rotten.
Hizal is a petty little child.
This only shows how a pro Fraga is and how Hazal still have to improve. Racing isn’t done with mama supervision.
Completely agree with Mic: If dirty wins, we‘ll all have to go dirty to win. And that stunt Fraga pulled was clever but dirty. Yeah, they do that in GT3 IRL too, and it’s crazy dangerous there. But can’t E-Sports be a little cleaner than RL, for once? Looks like the promoters don’t push in that direction: Clean is boring. It‘s a sales event after all, and the drivers are the circus animals 🤷🏻♂️
Congratulation Igor, you win the race with 5 second penalty after the race as part of your prize.
Haz Ree No, he won the the third consecutive agains Hizal.
Fraga 3x0 Hizal.
It is really important to remember that GT Sport is an arcade game it is not a simulator. As much as they try to push it as a real representation of racing, anyone who has ever played this game knows the only way to consistently win is to drive dirty. People dive bomb you into Corners with no hopes of making the corner and less they make contact with you. And a lot of people would not drive that way if the game had damage being done to the cars. Fraga would have never done that move because he knows he would have got rear-ended and knocked out of the race. Just remember guys relax it's not a real thing it will always be faulty.
That was interesting and awkward to watch
He talks from 1:51 for 2 minutes nonstop, and ends up with the 3:55 remark! He talks a lot for someone who is speechless. LOL
When Hamilton wasn't flat out through radion nobody complained. They said it was brilliant. Well done C. Lopez✌🏼
Seb did the same last weekend... What's your point?
Why isn't he sitting next to Hizal - I have some ideas ;)
sit them side by side, and an epic cockfight will definitely happen, lol :D
North Americans and Europeans don't like see a Brazilian guy win something. Always using excuses like "dirty driver" "dirty gamer'... They cry like a baby to be honest.
What he did is a very normal defensive strategy done throughout the entire Gr. B race. Mostly seen when you defend the inside and park it on the apex to avoid the cutback. It’s done so much throughout that race or racing in general. Just unusual to see it done in that corner. Still the same move though.
Hard but not worthy of a penalty
TWeK Racing nah it’s completely different through a corner that’s easily flat out. I’d understand if it were a small lift or if the corner was one that could have mistakes where you can’t take it flat. But it’s clear he could have easily gone flat through it yet he lifted off significantly through the corner and going into it
TWeK Racing he went from being 0.5 ahead to having him right on his bumper, through a corner that ought to be flat out, what’s the difference between lift and brake checking someone at that point? The result is the same
If you hug the inside to avoid a cutback you can easy get on the power but you choose to Waite till the guy behind has to break or drop of at least. It’s discribed in tidgenys lesson about defending :p
@@ThomasSWK You're confusing a corner where you have to slow down for with a flatout one. Braking or otherwise slowing down in an acceleration zone is deemed as dangerous driving.
Not to mention, if you hug the inside to avoid the cutback you can't go back on the power as quickly as if you had taken a normal line, because if you did you'd either spin out or go wide and create a gap between you and the apex.
It's one thing to take a different line that forces those behind you to slow down more than usually in a corner where everyone has to brake anyway and another lifting in a high downforce car in an acceleration zone right before an easily flat out corner when there's someone directly behind you.
I think hizal should be more agressive. He kind reminds me of Leclerc at Austria. And Fraga is fricking Schumacher
David Gomes do Nascimento don’t compare him with Schumacher thx
@@Schlummie Schumacher was as dirty as they let him be so it makes sense.
@@bilcozbi67 Yeah there the difference "as they let him be" in this one that not aggressive that already leaping to dangerous driving territory, in my experience seeing F1 i never seen anyone especially the best of the best lift the throttle around Eau Rouge,Raidillon,and Kemmel straight purposely only to block someone pass as it really putting yourself in the most dangerous place for an accident
@@wingzero7621 you can find a clip of Schumacher being an ass in front of Hill for like 2 laps of Spa.
@@bilcozbi67 Took out Damon Hill to win a title. Ruins Alonso's quali lap at Monaco. Tries (and fails) to take out Jacques Villeneuve at the 1997 season finale. Nobody else may agree, but I salute you for having the balls to speak the truth.
Hizal is an angery boi. If he hadn't given up after Igor's questionable moves he still could've won. Never give up until the checkered flag is waved!
He would have run out of fuel
He needed to save fuel after fighting with fraga
@@matthewmcewen1 why Fraga no needed save fuel? So in any case then Fraga should win.
After his last pitstop, Hizal had 74 liters for 9 laps. Fraga had 81 liters for 8 laps.
Raphael Rosa so he lost by strategy and should blame yourself
Congratulations coque on your podium! The usual happy atmosphere was soured at this event.
Regardless of right or wrong, hizal has heaped pressure on his own head by looking like a sore loser, even accusing pd of fixing the competition.
He was also quite rude and cocky on the proam podium hence why JPM dissed him so hard at a live event!
Hizal lacks the agressiveness and coldness of a real champion. And also a grain of dirtiness. Why not? This is motorsport. He should learn something from his countryman Schumacher. Being 100% clean will only get him destroyed at every fuckin’ race.
Nothing wrong with smart aggressive driving, car racing is a men's sport, you have to push and shove
Lifting at the top of Raidillon like that is a dirty move. Pushing and shoving like Schumacher used to do right?
A Brazilian driver being dirty? No way!
Brazilians representing themselves
So I’m torn. On one hand while fraga is very fast especially in the redbull, he has had this issue before of causing controversy for his aggressive driving style, however it hizal didn’t have a tantrum and throw away the pace he had and kept fighting, he would have won the race. Use that anger to keep fighting or cool it and keep the pace. But the penalty was bs as well and that 5 sec penalty is as bad as running into the wall where running aiming off the road is easy 10 to 15 sec and if they want to make this more realistic could have been worse but as many have mentioned, sometimes they just let it go and let them race on with no penalty. Just a shame to have fraga constantly winning the way he does, but hizal letting his emotions get to him to throw the race away. A lot to learn from this event
The 5 second penalty didn’t matter in the end because Hizal had to save fuel. He was not a “quitter” as many of you are saying, underfueled to keep in front of Cody and used it trying to pass Fraga. Fraga lifted through a flat out kink, ruining Hizal’s only chance at an overtake that lap due to the effect of dirty air on the car. By the end of the lap he was out of slipstream and forced to save fuel, so at the very least he was locked into the finals. Because of that he fell back to be safe, and the 5 second penalty didn’t matter because of it. If he had gotten past, he could have saved fuel and maintained his gap due to dirty air, but instead he was forced to give up any chance of a win. Completely dirty move by Fraga, unacceptable for a series so desperate to be taken seriously. If he were given that 5 second penalty during the race, the podium may have looked different. But instead they waited over 5 laps till after the race finished because reasons. That mess tainted what was otherwise a great event.
I suspect he had enough fuel but didn't want to admit he quit. Hizal never makes mistakes with fuel his body language after being forced off the track spoke volumes when he didn't see it being investigated.
@@gasixteenb11 You could see how much fuel they took onboard in the race. Hizal did indeed took less than others so while it may feel like he gave up, there's definitely a lot of evidence to back up his claim. Not to mention people can just run the same amount of laps in game with that fuel and see if he really had to fuel save or not.
Hizal fuel saving argument doesn't explain how or why he suddenly was 4 seconds down...it looks to me like the pressure got to him and he mentally collapsed, whereas fraga was calculating how to break him psychologically. Fraga was pushing the boundaries of acceptable tactics. Hizal accused pd of fixing the competition, maybe he should retire from GTS or at least stay clear of live events.
@@GMak81 are you surprised? I'm sure you saw the last event at the Nurbring. So let's deal with this final...rewind to the previous lap where at the same point Hizal made room and allowed Igor space to progress. Are you suggesting that unsportsmanlike behavior should not be questioned? I'm sure there was some conspiracy because the clowns...or stewards... didn't react till after so it was easy to fix the outcome.
@@GMak81 How it doesn't explain? It perfectly explains why he dropped, since not only he was slower through the corners due to dirty air he could no longer gain on the straights due to running on a much lower preset, so he had a lot less power. And since those are high downforce cars, the lack of power affects them especially strong.
I can't exactly tell what Igor was doing. Blocking? Bumping?
He intentionally let off the gas before the main straight when Hizal was right behind, forcing Hizal to have to brake at the top of the hill to avoid a crash - killing all his momentum. That and a few other questionable moves.
@@Noctorrent gotcha. That was my hunch
Matthew McLean He did a move hamilton did on the same track. Vettel did on the previous race... It’s usual, but.... the still got the penalty.
Hizal fuelled less on the last pitstop, so the last laps he had to save fuel.
I don’t really get what he did wrong? He lift off so to get the slip stream up the straight?if anything lightning should of bumped him to stay behind, or just not gone past him. I mean this is pretty basic gtsport tactics?
I dont think they showed the correct lap, brilliant stuff by Fraga with the slipstream. But what Hizal meant was on lap 17, Fraga was in front of Hizal, on the way up to Eau Rogue, Fraga let off the throttle and Hizal had no choice but to brake on top of Radillion to avoid massive contact. What Fraga did, in my opinion was not an illegal move, but its really dirty
FrustratedDesu ahh ok I’m gonna have to watch the race I think sounds like a good one, thanks for clearing that up
@@mswain844 the race was intense, its like Leclerc Verstappen in Red Bull Ring again, enjoy watching it my dude!
Lifting on that part of the track making the driver behind brake is really dirty. Its supposed to be a flat out section.
daveruda yeah it’s dirty, I’ve since watched the race, and I agree it’s dirty, they show the wrong clip here,but it’s also just racing, can’t ever remember someone getting a penalty in any motorsport for lifting the throttle, like I said lightning should of just hit up the rear, I mean if iof got a Penalty for lifting then surely if there was a crash then it wouldn’t of been Lightning’s fault.
Fraga and cody should of both been black flagged #Dirty
cody I agree but Fraga got a 5 sec penalty, fair enough for what he did.
@@mgarcia the 5 seconds was a joke, to try and say we slapped him on the wrist. This man is draving IRL for PD he needs to set a better example than "I did it to break his concentration" That was dirty and dangerous if it was on the real track.
@@vagabondht5791 I am sorry but the stakes are not that high, this is not real racing. Hizal could have won if he hadn't given up so easily.
Punterino
Please, no Punterino, Jimmer
Professional boy here.
Please no punteruno, jollibeeno
You suppose to win the cleanest you can. No matteer what victory is a victory... sometimes you have to be agressive not soft
Hizal is a sore loser he got beat get over it. Congratulations Igor
Well when someone brake checks you its understandable
He needs to get over it and come back and show what he’s made of he didn’t need to make that comment at the end
@@dappergooner6444 Thats true but still far from a sore loser Latkwski on the other hand....
Type RA Gaming I get he’s pissed off but don’t show it that way take it on the chin then next time show him what your made of on the track
@@dappergooner6444 i agree with that
Cadê o português amigo kkkk
Why in the fuck would you put that in the title? Didn't watch the event yet. This has happened before.
Remember when in 2016's Beta Race event in Nurburg Ring they had full course yellow situations after every accident .. the drivers had to slow down to 60km/h and no overtaking was allowed.
Instead we get fake formel one cars going 400km/h instead of racing with proper fun cars :
GT2, 3 and 4
Formel 1/LMP instead of red bull fueled fake open wheelers.
stop the picture in picture ... keep the game full screen and have pip that way without resizing constantly.
Remove the numbers on top of the cars, and names ... we know that person x is racing an Nissan or BMW.
So you enjoyed it then!
Still annoyed that
A) they have not improved the replay camera yet, always focused on 1 car instead of having a wider shot,frame capturing when some are having a battle or in general for a better coverage
B) resizing back and forth just annoys the c.ap out of me
C) the useless names and numbers in top of each car .. disable these for a clearer picture
Overall I liked, yes.
I must admit I've never been a fan of the floating name UI, it looks so much sweeter without, but I guess PD think we'll all be too confused without it.
I hope this incident makes for some interesting future races
Hizal can't beat Igor and it's killing him inside...
But the loser here is Hizal If he didnt cry/throw manchild tantrum he can easily win this after the penalty. so the lesson here is never give up. Fraga tried by all mean to win, even if that net him 5 second penalty which definitely didnt look good. But Hizal just gave up mid race.
he clarified that....he underfueled for a faster pit....then used more fuel to try n overtake fraga......then had to back off to save fuel and bring the car over the line
@@sanketFX07 dude that bullshit. SO let say he take low fuel and manage to overtake fraga. he still have to push really hard to win, so he will run out of fuel anyway?? Any adult could see he gave up mid race. Even from behind, He can easily get the gap below 5 seconds if he want to because he is a talented driver but he choose to cry and give up
@@wowwowwow597 You pick and choose don't u mate. I take your point. But just except that Fraga blatantly slowed on the fastest corner which only has 1 racing line to impede and stop Hizal from getting past. It's foul play. Maybe Fraga would still have won but its just bad sportsmanship
@@jf710 dude. I rooting for Hizal. I despise Fraga for doing that on purpose but Hizal giving up mid race is also disgusting. I totally agree they just give fraga 5 seconds penalty so that Hizal cant win. If they give penalty enough for Hizal to win, from now on, everyone will just throwing tantrum, give up, crying, everytime any unfavourable things happen to them in race. that would seriously suckass.
Not a bad idea from Fraga, but a bad move
Igors Penalty is a Joke especially because he runs real motorsport if he did that in the real race that would be a black flag and if he had someone behind him who did not react that well both would have landed in the Tires.
Eppmaster he wouldn’t have been black flagged....
There is a reason he is the one doing this kind of move.... because you do it in real life! It’s racing
This guy belittles the other players, doesn't accept losing, he made the same face when he lost to NicoR.
When does he belittles other players? He's one of the cleanest drivers in the entire game, including at these live events. You can't say the same about Igor, obviosuly. Oh, and he's not paid by PD, so he doesn't have to pretend he's happy with shitty decisions and unfair driving.
So he is not allowed to be disappointed with not winning the race? He's not allowed to show his real emotions after that? Who wouldn't feel gutted after that race? Obviously not you, it seems
What is the music at the start?
Makoto - Black Mist
Hizal eternal 2nd. Rage quitted and deserved to lose.
6:03 - ... shots .. fired ... wow ...
LES GO JIMMO!
This is the racing thing! Tell Hizal to stop it is true if there was something wrong is part of, the last event in Germany Coque lost second place worse and maybe even the first place with latowsky and as a professional did not tantrum as a child, igor is the first time He is accused of something like that, being a champion without doubts before, so the question remains if he really did it intentionally, anyway, just be a professional, because beside about they say about dirty air etc it was very low gas to finish the face in first place.
What needs to be seen,, this isn't some online petty race. It's the top elite racer in a major tournament who set the example for up coming racers, plus there the place to become a real life racer, standards are what need to be seen,, yes some might call hizal petty but fraga knows the limits, the game, the track and fair play,, simple it was dirty and not needed,, he's a top racer fraga is and full credit to his driving ability but still,,, in this race he should of been cleaner,, yes alot is at stake but its better to win clean and fair play then to do silly things,, plus it not like he was racing for place in the top tournament he had already got his place,,, certainly going to heated between these two now
So much crying right hier, IGOR DEFENDING YOUR Position is simple what a problem? Adult man race hier not child
Hizal is just crying -,- he would have lost anyway
Spa? How the fuck are they at Spa?
Hizal foi lecionado kkkk...igor the best
The first move was just genius lol Igor>
Igor would have lost if he didn't pull that dirty stunt. I'm not a fan of either of them so my opinion isn't biased. It feels like Igor is the FIA golden child at the moment and the 5 second penalty was a smack on the wrist. It deserved a 10 second penalty, same as Cody's, or at the very worst they should have disqualified Igor for unsportsmanlike behavior, to set an example that dirty tricks like these will not be tolerated in these events.
No way. The penalty cant be the same as the cody did to Mia.
1)Cody ruined the race of the japonese driver. He was the best driver there and his race was ruined. He had real chances to be the winner.
2) Hizal btw, after all this could win if he didnt gave up. If he keep fighitng the Igor's penalty of 5s could help him. But Hizal gave up and used the excuse of fuel etc, so bad lucky for him. He had chances.
3)Igor still could win if he ddint did that move against Hizal. He was way faster than Hizal and Hizal was going to be out of fuel anyway, so Igor could catch him again with a lil more difficult but still could get Hizal.
dont think that Igor is the tottaly bad guy here. He just made this final more epic, cause he could win anyway.
Mia was the faster driver and who had more chances to win.
Hizal dont. He made an good race, but withou any risks, without being agressive etc. And If he attacked back Igor, who knows what could happen? Well, he gave up. Was a decision of him and cost him the victory.
@@_Vino. I'm judging both the incidents individually, Cody blocked the Japanese driver (albeit at a slower speed), the Japanese couldn't take evasive action and subsequently his race was ruined. Igor blocked TRL, forcing TRL to take evasive action by braking, ruining his race. I will fault Hizal for giving up too easily and that's all on him. Had Igor not pulled off that dirty move, TRL would have sped away into the distance because he was on the faster tyre before he had to start fuel saving. Igor would not have caught him without the aid of a slipstream. Hence it should have been 10 second penalties for both incidents because if TRL didn't brake, there would have been an collision. Well the next race is going to be epic and I hope that TRL sticks to his word and drives and defends more aggressively.
983Legend yea... good point, ur right.
And Let’s hope to the next event be as epic as this was! ;)
Hizal never had the fuel. The only reason he was near Fraga was because he under fuelled. So no, he wouldn't have won it. And neither was his move unsportsmanlike, it's a strategy used endless times at spa in real life. It was a tad over aggressive but that's what these finals are all about. To carry it in the same bracket at Latkovskis murdering of Miyazono is just silly.
@@badly_dubbed2401 Agree. Theo only one i feel bad is for Miya. He was having an pretty nice race ://
I hope the nations cup comes to Buenos Aires, Argentina
RedlineShadow29 Hope after Kishner they don’t mistake Buenos Aires as the capital of Vezenuela.
I mean. To this a first world internet is needed, also paper towels, or aerolineas that really works.
Let’s all say: byyyye bye Argentina.
I will hope so but we don't now until october
Igor it's amazing...
Fraga races dirty, not the first time as well ! Hizal lack of sportsmanship!
Queria que estivesse em pt as legendas ou espanhol :/
6:00 You don’t win by always being a nice guy. What Igor did was of course too dirty but Mikail gave him too much space the lap before.
Cry Mika ahaha
Rubbing is racing stop Fucken complaing. Get on a track in a real gr3 or Australian supercar and see how much contact there is
Why are Brazilians always the dirtiest drivers in every single online racing game?
Information source: voices on my head
Because they all think they're Senna, you're no longer a racing driver if you no longer try to murder Prost into turn 1 at Suzuka.
@@steveazyb2595 as Prost crashed into Senna one year before
Where is TRL_IMMORTAL? He is the best always p1. He would beat everyone. I watched all his videos and it was imprresive to see his laps
Jimmy, button-down collars should be buttoned down. Honestly, makes me wanna cut my own throat! #over_reaction🤣
Senna Guys..HIzal nunca iria ganhar do Fraga
If you ask me, I don't think the penalty fits the crime... And usually when that is said, it's usually in the context of the penalty being too severe.
In this case, it's the other way around. Fraga's on-track behaviour was deemed 'dangerous driving,' and yet they only penalized him with 5 seconds? That should have been 10! (If it was 'careless driving,' then 5 would be justified.)
Personally, I think Fraga should either be stripped of his automatic qualification for the World Final in Monaco, or be told not to compete in Salzsburg. And even if you think THAT'S too severe, it really doesn't matter; this is NOT a good look for him. I will openly admit that Fraga is a gun driver, but stuff like this just make me lose respect for him.
I won't be surprised if Fraga gets booed at the next event he attends... (And equally won't be surprised if it doesn't happen - either outcome is to be expected.)
It's also very convenient that he got his 5sec penalty AFTER the race had ended and he won by over 5sec.
Brazilians....
if he would not have pushed out my friend nico in the 1st corner, nico would have won the race easily, but this Igor got rid of his opponents, as if he was shummy himself
It's a shame that no one shows the contact between Rubilar and Fraga in the first corner... maybe there is something to hide
Even in fia gran turismo world championship Brazilians still drive dirty
Igor is honestly the Most controversial winner every race and how he is champion is beyond me.
Baby crier!
Grande Coke!!
That boy Igor is a dirty racer..mic is the true champion
Cryyyyy
Hizal doesn't know how to attack the opponents and overtake them. Shame on him
@@AdrianFerrari see you posting cry in most comments here, think it's you who's crying.
Fraga didn't anything wrong. Cry on the pylow.
@@flounder reverse psychologie on children, ur a virtual game killer
Fraga again?No chance 😂😂
Yikes
Overall, the thing that suffered the most is racing. If you can win by using dirty tactics, don't call yourself champion.