Alien: Romulus Will Confirm David Did NOT Create The Xenomorph - Theory Explained
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- Alien: Romulus Will Confirm David Did NOT Create The Xenomorph - Theory Explained
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It's been fun making some theory and explained videos again, I always said I would!
If you have anything else you'd like me to cover and or questions etc, leave some suggestions down below
Awesome video Mr H! Can tell how much love and thought went into this 👏🏽👏🏽
Please make a video on the disparity between a 35-ft fossilized space creature, and a 7-ft Bald weightlifter. Maybe you can see similarities- I cant....
A fun video might be on the different xenomorphs we get from the comics that don't have action figures, like the dinosaur xenomorph we get in Batman vs Aliens and the aquatic xenomorphs we get on the water planet in the marine comics.
Yes more fun than hearing commentary about wokeness or the far-left agenda that every other youtube channel is consistently talking about
Love to see these kinds of video again MrH. Tired of the culture wars...
I’ve always thought of it as, David used a cook book of sorts, that had already existed
Genetic engineering for dummies
I feel like David was one of a kind Android uniquely gifted and just went mad. There isnt really a back story as to why he did what he did is there?
he pretty much says so. "you engineered these things, david?" "Idle hands are the devil's workshop"
I'm with you on the cook book idea.
So Ai is like a person who can think like 50 billion people in a split second, but you think hes a quirky unique being hmmmm your not to clued up on AI technology are you. Hes literally God !!! Every piece of data hes fed becomes part of his codex.@@johnniewalker3134
I could never get past the idea that the eggs and ship in the first movie weren't ancient. It made them so much more mysterious and scary.
Right? Thousands if not hundred thousand years old... it just brings up the right questions to make it so mysterious. That Pilot Alien in the first movie was awesome.
Why is it so hard to just follow these "rules" in a new movie? Why bending it and redconning/alternating stuff to fit a selfish "vision" in a sort of egotrip. (Happens in so many sequels)
The first movie is literally truckers at the Mountains of Madness in spaaaaace
Yeah. Ridley must have smoked something very bad while daydreaming about god like androids being source of all things. It was bonkers!
Gods i love Lovecraft!
🥚 👽 vs 🥚 🐣 😮
I mean, my thought is - The fact that a Xenomorph-esque creature appeared on the mural in the chamber in Prometheus and that the building is obviously ancient, proves David never created them to begin with... David just investigated previous work by the Engineers and adapted it himself 👍
I agree. The mural proves it in Prometheus.
Prometheus gets a bad rap. Good movie. Covenant on the other hand is less good.
Promotheus was a brilliant movie which answered questions about the space jockey and brought up more questions about the engineers & the xenomorophs. Covenant is where it went all wrong.😢
This...I always go back to the mural...the Deacon existed before they even stepped foot on that planet and long enough to be recognized and revered by the Engineers to be immortalized in the art of their "temple"
I have had to deal with this many times since Covenant. No one remembers the Xeno mural or the one that came out of the Engineer at the end of Prometheus.
I always assumed David’s protomorphs were just a version of the Xenomorphs, but not necessarily the actual ancestor.
That’s my take. How can somebody think otherwise when the goo introduced different variants of monsters EVERYWHERE. People seem to get hung up on things that seem superfluous
It’s a shit show. The deacon alien, and in effect the black goo, really has no firm explanation. The deacon is very close to the xenomorph form. The black goo was apparently used by engineers to seed planets, or it can just kill everything. Wetland can reverse engineer the black goo and make weapons too.
Maybe the black goo is symbolic for the unknowns we struggle with in the creation of the universe and consciousness, etc. Ridley apparently believed advanced life wasn’t randomly created, so whatever.
The key difference between making life and creating one.
Agreed
But he has a cool hobby
The murals in Prometheus were a solid proof that David didn't create the xenomorphs, he just created a variant, the deacon is still one of my favorite design.
Loving these videos on Alien lore, like the old days
This was my thoughts too with the Murals on the walls, but there was some other elements too I thought such as Davids remark that he had found perfection, he went on to say he created it but in hindsight I think he just meant he had duplicated it as best he could, with perhaps the exception of the queen, I think that was his next en-devour which could only be accomplished with the aid of another female experiment.
Prometheus was THE MOST exciting and intriguing movie. I am deeply sadened that people dislike it that much
@@Cestariarts I agree with you.
But the Mural and the Deacon do not look like the Xenomorph. You could also call out the Engineers Bio-Suits to be result of the same technology.
If you really look closely, the resemblance is superficial and could also count as a disprove of the existence of the phenotype we know and love.
I agree with an primordial origin, but I disagree that the Xenomorph with all it's established traits and reproductional pathways are the original form.
David was most likely fiddling around, finding recipes for many applications and tried to circumvent the established failsafes for that Bio-Weapon and re-engineered a reproductional path with the things he got.
A human body and it's tiny face loving Parasites: Demodex Folliculorum.
Pro writing tip: Ambiguity is often superior to extreme clarity. If the audience is already into your story, they'll fill the ambiguous narrative space with brilliant speculation and give all due credit to the writer, who wrote absolutely none of it.
Wonderful
as a writer i would love for that to be at the heart of my work!! i think you're exaclty right about that type of fiction. i think its why people will be talking about the meaning of David Lynch's films for ever, whether they like them or not. by all means have a "monster"...but the moment you give it a back story, a name and a date of birth (too much information!)...you undermine its power to scare.
100%
Prometheus was far better at telling a cool sci-fi story with hints of what was coming than Covenant was by dotting all the i's and crossing t's.
At least with Prometheus we had enough wiggle room to make it all work.... the end of Covenant mucks up everything. 🙄
Brilliant comment!
@@Chris_Sherwood Both were absolute garbage.
I prefer the idea that the 'Space Jockeys' are indeed the 20-25ft, elephant-like humanoids from "Alien". Ancient, mysterious, terrifying. The original creators of the Xenomorph to be used as a bioweapon in their civil war some millions, if not billions of years ago. That fits more into Giger's original concepts.
the space jockeys were engineers in suits
I figured the ancient mural with a whole ass Xenomorph, and the murals on the ceiling in Prometheus already confirmed this.
People that thought David created the xenomorph weren't paying attention to the mural in Prometheus. The mural in the room with the big head showed a xenomorph.
Exactly. Also, the Engineers in turn probably didn’t fully create the Xenomorphs and the black goo could be long lost dna of once natural Xenomorphs from the cosmos that went extinct and their remaining dna was resulted into the black goo that the Engineers reversed engineered into a bio weapon that would have multiple versions of itself. That’s my theory as well.
This is good news. I never fully believed that David made the Xenomorph species at all. I'd love it if over time we get bits and pieces of the Xeno's origins and homeworld.
TBF there was statues of sort of the actual Xenomorph in covenant I think.
David pretty much created some
Mutated downgrade of a pure Xeno.
Good news nonetheless.
@@nobchopper9728thank you. There was a mural on the wall type deal, which they never addressed. That was proof David did not create them. It was in Prometheus.
@cobo1316 yep I knew about the murals. Whoever believed that David created the Xenomorphs clearly didn't understand Prometheus and Covenant💀
@@cobo1316 The mural shows a Deacon not a Xeno, which comes from somewhere else, and clearly nothing to do with David, he simply tries to copy it.
@@RoaryUK ok I gotcha. It looks like a xeno and I figured it was the original, and what David did was just modify the “formula”.
I've always found it odd that people think David created the Xenomorphs, since there is already a mural of one in Prometheus. It makes more sense that he merely modified his own.
That's exactly what happened...he took the Engineer's work and continued it how he saw fit.
Exactly. That's why I find it odd that people think otherwise @@GSP-76
How many more times!! The mural in Prometheus shows you a Deacon, it makes no sense for it to be a Xeno or a Queen, that's why there are urns (or vases) in the Ampule Room and not eggs. The alien as we know it was created on the Engineers home world, which these prequels were leading up to, that's what Paradise Lost was going to show, before it was changed to Covenant to please certain people who wanted more aliens.
@@RoaryUK Bro who cares about the details? Whether it's a deacon or OG bigchap, it existed before david, and david is still reverse engineering something that already existed. Also, your egg argument requires massive leaps of logic.
Not a big deal, really. I just find it odd. Have great day mate!@@RoaryUK
I never liked the idea of David creating the Xenos. I've always preferred he was messing with someone else's work to understand it. much like the alien races in Mass Effect with Reaper tech.
"The Protheans didn't build the Citadel or the Mass Relays, they merely found them. The legacy of my kind."
He created his own Xenomorphs, like clones of the real ones
@@rinzlerthehunter539 Exactly. And despite certain resemblance with a hinted primordial origin, the Deacon and that Mural do actually not look like Xenomorphs.
@@Chareidos Agreed. I also think it's entirely possible the Engineers in Prometheus were simply trying to replicate what their creators had done, but came up with something similar in the Deacon. Indeed the very fact that almost everything about the Engineers mimics the Space Jockey we saw in Alien, suggests they were probably even trying to look like them. This also raises the question, if they stole the mutegen from their creators (as the meaning of Prometheus "could" imply) then what were the Space Jockeys' doing with the mutegen! What I also find intriguing about Prometheus is where do we, as the creation of the Engineers, fit into all this and will we ever get an answer?
@@RoaryUK I personally think that the Engineers did not plan for us to become space travelling.
That one lost fella being awakened by Space Monkeys must have been worried as heck, knowing what was about to "repeat" itself, if he would not end it at this very moment!
I preferred the Aliens being enigmatic. Taking away the mystery never improved anything
Amen.
Agreed
True!!
I understand your line of thought. But having the engineers as their creators do not make then lesser
I enjoy the irony that even though Ridley Scott said David came up with the xenomorphs only for Scott to ultimately be just like David. During Alien Covenant we hear David bring up his favorite classical works by name only for his android brother to bring up the fact that he's wrong. So now we get to ask the question just how much of Ridley Scott is in the character of David.
Scott never actually said that. i literally just re-watched the interview a minute ago. all he's saying is that David created the Xenomorph that is IN THAT MOVIE (namely in COVENANT). Scott never said that David is the original creator of Xenomorphs.
@@ElevenEvilExes Murals in Prometheus are another proof of that.
The albino Xeno
The thing is that in the films the classic Xenomorph is always adapting and evolving from it environment. If the host is human it looks one way. If the host is an Ox or a Dog it looks like a runner. If the host is pathogen fungus that infects living organisms it’s gonna look a certain way. Like the earthworms in Prometheus that become those parasite snakes. The point is I think to say that capitalism and greed which are constantly represented in this series is an organism to that evolves but ultimate ends up being destructive in any manner.
I sincerely hope you’re right. It frustrates me that nobody told Scott that his ego needed to be checked. Obviously he was involved in the creation of alien. However, he had a bad idea. We should find a way to narratively put it to rest.
Exactly
Yes sir, His Ego is one of the main reasons why he can't make aliens anymore, arrogance and conceit blocks creativity and imagination, aliens was also Dan O'Bannon, and H.R. Giger not just Scott he seems to forget this.
@@naturalfreeness322 Sometimes a haunted house in space just needs to be a haunted house in space. Not a cosmic commentary on creation.
In Alien, the pilot of the ship they found had been fossilised, ie been there thousands of years, well before David
Thats not how fossilization works though. The crew of the nostromo said it looked like fossils, but that was just what they thought it might be, the space jockey would of had to been submerged in sediment of some sort for that to happen.
I hate the idea of the Xenomorphs having any creator at all and to me they always look like they evolved over millions of years from maybe some kind of ancient alien insect & other alien life forms through their parasitic method of breeding but overall I like the origin to remain mostly a mystery because that’s what makes the Xenomorph scariest of all but future scientific experiments and manipulation by entities such as Weyland/Yutani I would like to see as teased in the first 2 Alien Films that we should have seen the pay off of in Alien 3 instead of the film & other films we got since then. I’m somewhat glad so far that Alien: Romulus is somewhat if true gonna re-establish the mystery of the Xenomorphs
Interesting. I’m more a fan of the idea that the engineers made the xenomorphs as a bioweapon to unleash in case they needed it, but ultimately evolution took over and they could not control them and were overcome by them. The creation killing the creator concept.
I agree with you. I felt for years that the Alien was just a natural insect. Meaning there could be millions of them out there. No need for them to be someone's invention.
The game Scorn looks like the home world of the Aliens . They will never make that into a movie. 😂
Loved scorn, should definitely add those aesthetics to the reason the Engineers fell.
I know a lot of people do not like Prometheus, and i understand why, but personally i find the Engineers to be fascinating. I think they are actually more scary that the actual xenomorphs.
It is much more logical to believe that they were the original creators of the Aliens rather than David.
I hope we get to see more of them in the future.
Nah, not liking Prometheus is for redacts.
As a huge fan of the Alien franchise, I appreciate all these recent updates and theory videos - very fun and gets folks excited about Romulus 🔥
Did none ever notice the glyphs in Prometheus. Don't know why RS even said that.
RS was just the director of the first movie - the xenomorph was created by giger. RS took that creature and slotted it into his slasher movie, which admttedly was done well, but still the creatre exists outside of RS' "vision" which he is just retrofitting anyway.
RS acting like he owns the universe of the xeno is the problem. typical brit.
In Prometheus the head room already had xenomorph picture or something in it.
No it didn't!
@@RoaryUK It did though
Summary: "How do we make it seem like the Covenant and Prometheus storyline didn't suck as much as it did?"
Prometheus didn't suck, Covenant did
They both sucked
@@GSP-76 both terrible..
Both great films! I would love to see what David did with all those embryos!!!
Would you run in a straight line from a rolling ship? Would you get lost in tunnels that you previously just mapped?? Lol
As much as there are a good number of things I don’t like about “Prometheus” and “Alien: Covenant” (and some things I do like, for that matter), it’s important to remember that there literally are sculptures of xenomorphs on walls inside the engineers’ spaceship, which we see in “Prometheus,” which is evidence that they existed long before David even started experimenting with the substance to create his versions of them.
You saw the 'deacon' burst out of the engineer at the end of Prometheus. What makes you think the mural wasn't a deacon? Obviously the black goo creates monsters with long heads and no eyes, but Covenant implies that David bred them into xenomorphs.
I felt similar. I enjoyed half of Prometheus, and about 25% of Covenant. The "Engineers" were way too small and looked human (some argue they were different types), but I never understood why the Engineer went all super violent (must destroy human home world) upon awakening in Prometheus. Covenant was disappointing in killing Shaw off screen (much in the same way Hicks & Newt were killed off screen in Alien 3 was frustrating). It's like, oh, there was no point in the previous movie. I did like the mural, the score, Weylands Ted Talk, and the other Alien snake thing in Prometheus. The white xenos in Covenant were interesting.
@@lazerbeamhawkins I think Ridley Scott makes mention of this in an interview that the reason why the engineer wanted to destroy the human world was because human killed Jesus.
@@slang1517 Only that the Derelict ship carrying the cargo of eggs had been on LV426 for thousands of years, in fact Peter Weyland was well aware of the ship on LV426 during the events of Prometheus, on the blu ray you can access Weyland's files and he says the following.
"our science division has detected a faint transmission coming from LV426 one of the neighbouring moons of LV223, David will withold the information about the signal from LV426 until the time is right".
The features on the blu ray can be considered canon as Ridley Scott approved them himself.
The ship being on LV426 during the events of Prometheus contradicts David being the sole creator of the xenomorph.
David simply created an offshoot based off the engineers notes. The book even explained this.
It was originally going to be that the Engineers in Prometheus were creating the black goo mutagen on a lifeless planet as retribution for killing Jesus, who was also an Engineer. But then the experiment got out and killed everyone before they could use it to destroy Earth. They abandoned this idea for being too sacrilegious, and instead left the image of a Xenomorph or Deacon in the crucifix position as an easter egg.
I never believed that DAVID was the Creator of the Xenomorphs. he was able to understand the role of Black matter ⚱️ in the transformation of the host. I don't want to know where the Xenomorphs come from.
David may have had a hand in the evolution of the alien as he was doing all sorts of weird experiments. But the black goo was already on Prometheus which created aliens that got out and killed all the engineers.
When I saw Covenant for the first time, my first thought was that he and the engineers had simply settled on the same design.
Interesting how this poped up as I'm playing ALIENS: Dark Descent 😆
Epic epic epic game, the ending sequence…. Ooft… perfection
Your analysis is totally correct. Prometheus and Covenant took off in a ludicrous path about the engineers and Aliens. 👽 it was all a dream lol
Prometheus was barely related to Alien at all, it wasn't even about the same Engineers. If anything ruined this it was Covenant and wasn't the movie Scott wanted.
@@RoaryUKwell they sold it as a prequel and it was very disappointing. But, at least it made money lol.
I always thought that David took what the Engineers created and put his own personal spin on them. Of course Ridley said otherwise. But judging by everyone's reaction to this, I'm glad they're explaining it another way. I will now be less grumpy watching Covenant lol. It's not a terrible movie, but when the bomb was dropped that it was David,'s idea alone, that really took me out of it. He was just a pretentious robot and not the father of all xenomorphs.
The alien lore is a clusterfuck. Thanks Ridley...
david created A xenomorph. not THE xenomorph
Two different factions of Engineers would also possibly make some sense of the Engineers running and being killed in Prometheus.
At last someone gets it, Bravo sir!
nah, it was a bioleak.
Yes David might have created his variant of xenomorph but he didn't create them as a hole. If you look at the walls of the engineers, you could see a sculpt of a decon. David in no way the creator but of his version yes
You misspelled "whole".
The idea of Romulus finding and recovering the big chap in the middle of deep space is still ridiculous.
Absolutely 100%
Unless the company were already tracking the Nostromo.
@@moomin7461 Even if they did, the alien was thrown out of the escape capsule. I don't think we know the exact direction the capsule was heading when it was thrown out.
@@moomin7461 and by the time they would have sent a ship out to recover it the chap would have been either completely destroyed or further and further away lost. It's a big reach to be honest.
Exactly
The best part of David's plotline was that he was portrayed by such a great actor.
Interesting video and great points. I always felt that Ridley's end goal of the prequel movies was to have David to sacrifice himself as a host and explain the biomech version of the Xenomorph we first see in Alien. A symbolic warning about us embracing the power of AI and technology too much. I wasn't a big fan of the first two movies, but you could tell the story was leading to the Engineers finding David to take back the weapon he stole from them. The Engineers kill the xenomorphs and David on Covenant leading to final shot of the pilot sitting in his chair and being attacked by the larger face hugger David created in Covenant. Just my two cents on it. Have a great day everyone.
This. This guy knows his shit.
This actually might be it
Before the course correction with Covenant I'd say this was more or less what Scott intended, but who knows what will happen now.
If Weyland Yutani got the xenomorph specimen in this movie, why would they need to get the speciemen again in Aliens? They obviously would have data on this specimen if they already got it in Romulus. Not sure how this works.
Because!!
That works!
-Pitch meeting
Presumably because they all died.
If the Company's end game was to colonise LV-426 and use the people as bait to get what they wanted, surely what happens elsewhere doesn't even matter!
@@moomin7461 Exactly! I mean come on! We all already know it is not ending well.
It is like seeing Titanic and expecting a happy end! XD
David was very interesting hope they can touch on what happen to him and that spaceship
Good because everybody hates that idea. I always liked to think that David simply discovered that the Xenomorph ‘code’ was embedded in the black goo, and he reverse engineered it. The protomorph was a substandard version of it. I think Big Chap would have wiped the floor with the Protomorph.
The tangent Ridley went on with David kind of annoyed me. On one hand I liked how Davids situation was like the humans asking the engineer 'whats my purpose?' but I wish it had been kept to that.
That's excellent news. Honestly, Scott making that canon with Covenant really destroyed the entire mystique and mystery behind the aliens. It was a really out-of-touch decision, in my opinion, and I am glad Romulus will attempt to correct it. It's great, as in my opinion it shows that the director and the production crew have actually listened to the fans and their critique, and do not intend to coast on, tone-deaf to fandom opinion. It shows they care, and that is always a good sign.
One element takes David out as the creator: the black goo itself. A kid might build a Lego set and have a pretty cool structure, but they were using building blocks that someone else had created in the first place. They didn't first create the Lego building blocks and then create the structure. Just like David using the black goo to do whatever. And we already saw that the goo by itself was mutating things into alien-like creatures.
The idea that they were effectively cooked up by a robot completely strips them of any mystery or intrigue. No idea how anyone involved thought it was a good idea. What a travesty of a movie Covenant was.
What was wrong with leaving the Xenomorphs as just a terrifying apex predator? We never needed a backstory, especially one as atrocious and trite as what we got with Prometheus.
Because MONEY!
Oh yeah I like money!
-Pitch Meeting
I totally agree. The idea of the Xenimorph being just a naturally occurring species in the evolution of the universe is much more terrifying and at this point, more believable.
Wasn't the engineer in Alien gigantic? Way bigger than the ones in Prometheus.
There are different species of the Engineer apparently, each one created by another hence why the ones in Covenant look different. The Engineers from Prometheus are said to have stolen then black goo in an attempt to replicate what their creators had done, with the intention of wiping out their creation, humans, for reasons we have yet to discover.
didn't they use children in space suits playing the adults in a long shot, to make the engineer seem even bigger, yes, you are right, i think they shat all over it personally..
Yeah you could even see a mouth. That wouldn't be visible if it was a suit over a body.
@@jibicusmaximus4827 Using kids I (believe they were Scotts) was a time saving idea - they could make a smaller set, for that short but important part.
@@jibicusmaximus4827
Yes, children were used in the scene from Alien so the entire set could be built at half-size.
If they had said the aliens were just aliens they wouldn't have to write themselves out of this messy corner they put themselves in.
I had thought it was common knowledge he didn't create them. In Prometheus, they look at the mural and it shows all the different stages of the xeno. David is replicating the creatures and learning. His arc is to go from servant to rebellious mad scientist.
If true that would be some good news.
The drawings in the lab and art on the walls throughout the prequel sets already established he didn't make the xenomorh. He was trying to recreate it from the many experiments he conducted. I never thought David created them but that is just me. I also really enjoyed the prequels
They were already there. The black goo accidently created aliens or some early form of it and got out and killed all the engineers. We see the pile of engineer bones in front of the door. But it wasn't until the squid 🦑 infected the engineer that we see our first alien. It was a deacon so early version of alien.
@@jonfreeman9682 a form of Xenomorph was worshipped as a God, it is on the wall mural that predates the death of the engineers. The black goo is a yin and yang, a creator and destroyer. I still think that the Androids are the scariest part of the franchise because they are the ghost in the darkness and the perfect weapon to try to refine the perfect weapon.
@@Humongous420 The Engineer's in Prometheus worshipped a Deacon, that's what is in the mural and what turned against them, it's also why you never see any eggs or face huggers.
This really plays into the idea that the Xenomorph was an Engineer creation, an ancient bioweapon that was long forgotten by the time of Prometheus. David merely found a way to recreate them through the hybridization of various DNA sources. The Xenomorphs that we see on LV-426, by that logic, are probably the “pure” Xenos, the ones that were originally created by the Engineers. This also opens the door for the unlikely possibility of the AVP films getting canonized. I’m saying unlikely because I’m pretty sure that 20th Century Studios doesn’t wanna touch AVPR with a 10 ft pole.
Nah. I think they’ve invested way too much in David being the literal host himself to create the perfect organism finally giving us the OG xenomorph explaining why it has metallic teeth and almost android like parts, because it’s literally part of David, the first and only android to be used as a host for a face hugger, realizing that to create his perfect being, he must sacrifice himself to do so.
Well that’s strange, I don’t remember anybody actually saying that David invented the aliens. I know he metaformed creations by his tinkerings. Maybe Ridley said as much I don’t know, but just by my watchings I always assumed David recreated a process to synthesize an alien similar to big chap. But what do I know? Nothing.
In the video, he mentions that Ridley Scott said so during the DVD commentary. But then goes on to try and explain how that’s not entirely true.
Did you watch the video before commenting?
Tx God! I feel we might get...2 kind of Alien species here! One from David and the original one! :)
I don't think the ancient derelict ship has been on LV-426 for thousands of years. It's more like one to two million years!
Based simply on the time line and age of the eggs, I've always thought there was more to it. This video has made me think. "David's" face hugger was able to implant the embryo within mere seconds, while the 1st one we saw appeared to take hrs. His chest burster also appears to be in an advanced stage in it's life cycle. Not a worm with a tail, but a biped.
Thinking about those changes, I can see David feeling he has in fact, perfected the organism.
Here we go story is all over the place, and yet Ridley said it was David 😂
Scott was only referring to the Protomorph in Covenant at the time,
I cant wait to be seeing it late june.
I know it will never happen now but I kinda liked the idea that after covenant at some point, David had to use himself as the host inside the suit of the space jockey to create the xenomorph, hence the acidic blood, tube like biomass on the exoskeleton would of explained all traits from a android
@MrHReviews these lore/theory vids are great👍😊
Always made sense to me that David didn’t originally create the xenomorph since in Prometheus there was the sculpture or wall design that resembles the xeno and that he tried to recreate or create a life form that would exceed the classic xenomorph
Yes, this is correct
@@thejuiced1_ i reckon however someone initially wanted to make it so david was the creator of the original xeno species but it just wouldn’t work in my opinion but david was a great character in both films
Don't forget in Prometheus the aliens got out and destroyed the engineers. That's why we see that pile of engineer bones in front of the door.
@@jonfreeman9682 thats true and all signs support the theory
It was a Deacon in the mural the alien is from the Engineer's home world, which means it was one or more of the Deacon that killed the Engineer's on LV-223.
The whole engineer, black goo and David plot is still utter utter garbage and I would have been unbelievably thankful for it all to have been binned. I really worry Romulus will be more of the same garbage now.
100%
I really don’t think its as bad as people exaggerate it to be. It has flaws for sure, but its not garbage.
The David being the creator is... WAS utter garbage! NOT the black goo, engineers. Theres still alot of mystery regarding the xenomorph. Did the Engineers originally create the xenomorphs and black goo? Did they, as David, find/ take/ be gifted the blueprints by an equal yet different or more advanced species?? Maybe the original elephant engineers are out there? Extragalactical? Food gone wrong? And yes Egg morphing an alternate breeding solution for lone xenomorphs is another thing to rub it in with salt. The rigid rose tinted glasses, hostile to decent expansion of lore-canon origins of xenomorphs is as unhingely bad as Scotts " David = god " idiocy!
@@mr.l5783- absolutely is garbage. Retconning the original Alien with a garbage idea of engineers. Who gives a fuck about engineers??
@@MrCostaCI like the concept and David tinkering with that crap is creepy horror. Again , mistakes were made Ridley but that doesn’t perma doom those films no more than A3/4.
Love the deep dive into the lore. Thanks H! Cheers.
I imagine David just brought out what was there. Refined it.
David just played with the goo that in the end would produce an alien. In Prometheus when they got to the planet already had glyphs and wall carvings of xenomorphs. So they already existed. Likely the engineers encountered Aliens and began experimenting with their DNA
The Engineers on LV-223 created the Deacon and nothing more!
In Prometheus there´s a pretty clear depiction of an alien at a wallmural, wich was made before the crew (and David) found the black goo. Logic dictates xenomorphs been around for ages prior to the events of any alienfilm. Perhaps David merely found a key to unlock one strain of species.
Man, you know your Alien stuff. Love it
Really enjoyed this vid
I never agreed to that David crated the xenomorph and I also recalls David said something like I have broken into the secret of the engineers. The Alien franchise wakens is that it hasn’t managed to make up its mind of where it should go and what is cannon or not. Perhaps that will change now. I also hope if we can one day see the final fate of David if Scot could somehow connect in with the first film. It also a good thing to keep alien somewhat dark and retro tech, but you don’t need to go fully retro. Even if yes the technology in Prometheus and Alien 1 do not fit.
It showed a Xenomorph on the carvings in one of the domes, in Prometheus. It looked like a queen.
Also, yeah I don’t find it that interesting a robot creating aliens. I can understand the concept but it’s not that interesting. I like the idea the Aliens being a weapon made by the Engineers or something else..
That’s more terrifying. Cosmic horror and the such.
But you’re right. David basically did experiments, making his own version of a Xeno. That’s interesting. A robot gone mad, playing god.
No the mural in Prometheus DIDN'T show a Xenomorph or a Queen in the Ampule Room, it was an adult Deacon which the Engineers had come to worship, until it turned on them resulting in the carnage on LV-223.
@@RoaryUKit didn't turn on them, it was a weapon they used to wipe out and create civilizations. The weapon accidentally got released on LV223 before they were able to take it to earth. They were going to wipe out humanity with it but it wound up killing them on LV223 before they left.
Yeah! Even though the original xenomorphs were kinda different, it was in a pretty obvious way. Enginners as hosts birthing HUGE xenomorphs. Just double... no triple the size of a standard drone, warrior, praetorian, queen etc. Heck, even the jumping dongvags throat violators would be big nasties! Its frigging scary to think about. Hell, the Engineers themself might have found/ been/ taken/ given the Xenomorph + black goo blueprints from an even more advanced or equal but different species out there... somewhere 🤔
@@RoaryUK oh right, was it actually confirmed it was a deacon? That’s interesting.
@@odinulveson9101 yeah that’s interesting. Be a pretty freaky twist to know what else is out there in the Alien universe. Something far worse?
I just hope Alien Romulus expands on this and actually gives a explanation and not beat around the bush, because clearly it’s tryan tell a story here from beginning to end. Even though I love Alien 1979 as a stand-alone horror with mystery. That’ll be swell is that cause the same effect in this new entry.
I wish we could just delete the last two movies and everything in them from the timeline completely.
No David, no black goo, no crappy engineers.
Related to the small mention of Engineers in the video: There's an Alien: Covenant "David's Drawings" art book, including a ton of the art and notes seen on the walls of the Covenant set. It actually mentions the Engineers preserving themselves. Hence why the entirety of Planet 4 looks so different from the ship and Engineer on 223.
Page 4 states: "One can only assume they ironically treat themselves as they do their cities, as cultural and developmentally historical documents to be treated with reverence."
That's just one sentence from the whole paragraph.
This might've seen a little random, but I can't stand staying quiet about this. It's such a cool detail, I don't care if it's canon or not.
Really well thought out! I look fwd to seeing if you are correct!
Always be weary of the brown goo sorry black goo 🙄
I don't get why people think he did yes he created a version of one but it existed before he did. His alien also had eyes on the side of it's head the aliens in all other movies never had the eyes
Completely agree! In my head cannon, which includes AVP & AVPR, is that David simply worked out the process to my a similar variant of what was already contained within the black goo! Something that the engineers made thousands of years before, which allows the Mayan/Aztec flashbacks in AVP to remain cannon.
Question I would ask is ...
Do xenomorphs require a " queen" and hive mind concept to be what they are . Or perhaps a queen was created for such.
Ehh i like to think the Predator race Yautja created them. Its seems more realistic because their a warrior race looking for the best fighters in the galaxies and not really finding them created the Xenomorph to have better opponents to test them to the fullest. I d like to delve more into where the Yautja came from and how they came into the technology for interstellar travel.
Great content! Keep it coming!
All they had to say was David created his own variant. Turned the wolf into a loyal attack dog. That was WY goal anyway. It would've made so much more sense. Would've have nuked the cannon. 😅
In the avp series "rage war" and in a few of the newer books (I think they're newer) it is shown that a race of "dog like aliens" either made the xenomorphs or found them and did find a way to weaponize them. It also hinted that the xenomorphs may have been around even longer than the dog like race. I believe the predators called them "drucathi". Weather or not the movies reflect any of this, it is still a great series showing xenomorphs literally break out of their fossilized exoskeleton to hunt humans.
How could he have created the xenomorphs anyway as in the engineers spaceship there’s a hologram video of something hunting the engineers. This scene is early in the movie too, so the alien was already created and live.
Great point about the fossilized engineer
anyone who watched Alien and Prometheus wil KNOW David didn't its bloody obvious
Whatever, we needed Prometheus 3 😢
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There's also the creature we saw birthed at the end of Prometheus, while it may not have been 'The Xenomorph', essentially that black goo, no matter how you try to manipulate it to your own ends, will always produce the same hellish outcome
it comes to a great relief to many fans and include myself, that David didn't create the Xenomorph to the design we had seen in the first film. it will be also nice if we could find out about the wrecked ship, how long was it on the planet, even a movie made on just this?
Im so happy to hear you talking about aliens again 2:26
Excellent content sir as always
I actually always enjoyed the idea of David creating them. Reason being was because I like the concept of our creation choosing to create in order to destroy us. I liked it.
But I’m still satisfied if it turns out that he was simply trying to replicate an already established formula. His desire to destroy us with it still remains so it works either way.
I just hope this movie is universally praised and enjoyed so we can stop waiting damn near a decade for each one.
I honestly have no issue with David being the creator of the xenomorph or at least a version of it.
Also, in Prometheus, when they find the black goo jars, the engraving/mural on the wall depicts a xenomorph in the same form as the big chap.
Confirmation was in front of us the entire time the xenomorph mural in Prometheus movie confirms the mural is older than Wayland , And Wayland invented David.
except its a deacon not a xeno
@@prpwnage9296 Did you know xeno means alien and deacon means servant , xenomorphs change anatomy based on the host which they incubate for instance alien 3 the xenomorph hunting the prisoners is hosted by a dog so has canide predatorial behavior ,The space jockey is older in origin than the engineers Prometheus is only an origin story because doctor shaw chooses to believe it is .
@@robertwatson6880 if we’re talking specifics then it’s not a human one it’s a one from an engineer
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Well, it all depends on what we see in Alien: Romulus if it’s connected to the Canon universe of the last two movies, but I believe that David did indeed either created the Alien Xenomorph or at least enhanced it.
I mean it makes scene when you think about it. David is an android that’s programmed to serve the Wayland Corporation to create the “perfect organism”. And since he doesn’t really need to eat or sleep, he’s able to spend years working on the project. As seen in Alien: Covenant, he’s clearly been doing a lot of research. But hey, that’s just my theory.
Alien: Romulus looks very promising, and hopefully will be able to fill in the gaps from Prometheus and Covenant to at least help complete the new trilogy.
I thought it was already essentially unanimously agreed that David didn’t create the OG xenomorph, i mean how could he, they were alluded in Prometheus. He has just been working to create his own version of the ‘perfect organism’.
Ridley always told us he wasn't the creator. The mural shows us
Ridley Scott's franchise films are about religion, not science fiction
The mural shows you a Deacon how many more times!!!
It's not a deacon. That came from a human.
They're drinking it's blood to create life
This was a great video, very fascinating lore tidbits and a lot of details about David’s experiments to which I agree is a continuation of someone else’s work. On what he believes his version is the perfect specimen.
Will it still connect to the prequels because they were good, I still want to see David's story end as well as more engineers species being the ones who gained knowledge how to grow the xenomorphs, and their worship of the xenomorphs.
As someone who wasn’t a big alien fan, I thought covenant was supposed to show us that David created the xenomorphs because that’s what these movies were supposed to explain. But now I’m not convinced and just think the movie was just bad at showing us what was going on.