God is the memory the universe can remember | Sara Walker and Lee Cronin and Lex Fridman
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
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Sara Walker is an astrobiologist and theoretical physicist. Lee Cronin is a chemist. This is a conversation and debate about alien life and alien civilizations.
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Thank you Lex for asking questions to connect the dots of conversations. I love how you think, articulate those thoughts and bring a single solution to my confusion. It must have been a treat to be a student of yours at MIT. Your interviews are among my first choices when I have time to listen to a podcast. 🇺🇸🌹
I totally agree. I also totally understood what they were saying
you must be really high brother man jack wright
Did we ask if you specifically got it no shameless
@@yfubyfub3959 who asked who? Who asked you?
Sara walker is so concise. She makes so many great points. Bring her back on the show lol 😂
Overthinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
I am one of the fumbest people I know but when I read "God I'd the memory....." - it blew my mind. I'll listen toothed clip snd maybe because Lex always speaks yo teach and guests follow suit, I might get a passing feel for the discussion. It's annoying being on the outside sometimes. But I am burrowing my way in more and more.
God = Our Imagination
Or maybe all creation is God's imagination?
Sorry.. I listened to the first 3 min of this and I have NO IDEA what you guys are talking about.. I'll give this one a miss. Thanks for all the content though!!
Is it just me, or did Sara Walker make WAY more sense than Lee Cronin? Side note: I don't know shit about math. LOL
Agreed. The video title sounds nice but is impractical in understanding concepts of reality, imo. Now, take it one step further and describe "God". Can it be done with math? If "God", whatever that is, is the "projector" of everything, could we actually communicate with "it" through math? Or maybe it requires us to step outside time and space for us to be able to do that...it sure is a mindf*ck 😄
Lee was mostly babbling and using big words
“Memories that are actionable are information.” Reminds me of something Alan Watts said “A real explanation is not just a description, it’s a description which enables us to control.”
Many people and poets too, have described sunsets, but they have no "control" of the sunsets.
@@steveflorida8699 I disagree. To attach language to a phenomenon is a type of control. If nothing else, a good poet can masterfully control or affect emotions and conjure up memories and be present with the world.
@@heartion language can control the descriptions of sunsets, but the sunset phenomenon is unchanged. The laws/patterns of nature are not effected by human language.
He's right if you take a look at his example, If memory itself is one of the highest forms in the universe then information will always be present at any level aslong as it can not crash or fall or break down the expansion on what it was initially intended for. We are memory.
Memory would have been the first thing present to keep the "interactions" stable, it would have to remain stabel to for it to be forever present.
We are also information, we store send and transmit and receive information and information can be taken from any point and received.
Akasha.
Memory is what makes it function correctly throughout.
This guy sounded smarter then most physicist in one line.
Memory is required for achieving progress.
Is this dude wearing a headband
I have never felt more stupid in my life than I have in this 8 minute or so clip
I have no fucking idea what they're talking about.
they dont either
Wow I guess I'm not high enough to understand this one
I think math is just a language created to better understand and give meaning to our physical environment.
I like to think of math as something like a univerally-applicable abstraction language for describing phenomena. At least that's how I would define it today
To evolve to experience
Our memories are memories within the memory of the universe
God is the master doctor of chemistry
So, Sara knows the gig.
Basically: descriptivists vs objectivist philosophy of objects/language. We wouldn't have 'objects' w/o the word 'object'. Glossalia , or the ability to conjur words from a frenetic state is an ability of people that when applied to objects, is what generates information, or concepts themselves.. These folks should brush up on undergrad philosophy across the board. We wouldn't have any math/objects/concepts without an ability to refer...aka language. Not sure how 'God' factors into that but oh well lol
People do seem to forget that the "things'' and "stuff" belong purely to language. They are the pigeon holes made by the knife of the intellect on the Universe, the Pattern, which cannot be categorized, it escapes conceptualization, for a concept is discernment, a seperation, for language is inherently discriminatory, always dualistic. Hence it has always been noted by mystics that God is beyond concepts and ideas. God is a Symbol, in that it points to something Beyond, to something unknowable, something which eludes our narrow and myopic aristotelian logic of A is not B, whence Creator and Creature, Good and Evil, Saint and Sinner dissolve, barriers which keeps one from actually experiencing Reality. For the Modern western man is addicted to words, he lives completely in abstract thoughts, never experience Reality directly, but second-hand through his ideas of the world.
To quote the Sufi mystic Rumi;
“Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing,
there is a field. I’ll meet you there.
When the soul lies down in that grass,
the world is too full to talk about.
Ideas, language, even the phrase each other
doesn’t make any sense.”
@@hast3033 Thanks for the reply! 'God' as a concept is something that gives humans a lot of confusion and comfort. When people use the word 'God' they might be referring to what you just said....OR they might be referring to "Jesus' Dad, supreme being, creator of everything and the embodiment of goodness." I simply can never figure out what people are referring to when they say it. I like to be precise with my words and ideas, therefore I don't engage with concepts that I don't understand or when I don't know what is being referenced.
I have to completely disagree when you say "God is beyond concepts." You're literally begging the question. What exactly are you referring to when you say, 'God'? - and can you explain the concept in as few words as possible?
@@brianschnebeck7990 Well, see, God is a concept, just like a tree, a bird, a flower is a concept. However, God the concept, if taken LITERALLY, as u said as Jesus, Buddha, Creator, Deity etc, one falls into tiresome fundamentalism - as history shows.
However, one can also use the word God to point beyond God, here we delve more in the realm of poetry than prose, for God in this sense, taken as a SYMBOL, that is pointing away to something wholly unknowable. It then aims to direct the individual from abstract conceptual thought into a direct experience with life, with the universe - with ones true being.
However, it must be noted that, it's a concession to our ordinary way of understanding the world to speak of God even as a Symbol or a Metaphor.
What I meant by "God is beyond concepts," is that one cannot conceptualize God, there is nothing tangible to hold onto, therefore to speak of God as being Good, Just, Kind, Beneficient is to confuse what God means.
Which is what we, the inheritors of the Abrahamic traditions, have done.
One can more readily look here to ancient traditions and the East to find traces of this perennial intuition - or even some western psychologists such as James Hillman and Carl Jung.
@@hast3033 Gotcha, well said! God as a reference to an ineffable feeling or quality of life itself. William James' variety of religious experience talks a lot about that conception of 'God'. I simply use a different word so I don't come across as confusing - ineffable ecstasy seems to fit the descriptive bill you provided instead of 'God'. A lot of folks like to try and move the goalposts or define God into existence whilst ignoring the historical/colloquial usage.
@@brianschnebeck7990 I have unfortunately not read James book on the Variety of Religious experience yet, its on my list though.
I do agree with you, usage of the word God typically just adds to the confusion, it has too much "baggage," therefore I do not typically use it when trying to speak of what you call "ineffable ecstasy," which is perhaps more fitting :)
Stuff is unknown,
Objects are known,
Math is actionable information, and God is universal memories?
Just trying to participate. Lol!
Thanks yall
This is literally just what Plato said but this dude swapped "essence" with "stuff" lolololololololol
Wow, you compared me to Plato? Lol! Well I can't take all the credit. I was just trying to paraphrase their conversation. Thank u
@@MJHAUNTS You paraphrased what they were saying, they were the ones ripping off Plato and subbing in different words. I thought you were making fun of them like I was.
Take the mic away from Lee give it to Sara. That’s math.
E=mc2 was always there before it became information, then it was actionable
Gee Lex, why don't you interview Stephen Meyer and Signature in the Cell.
Give the man a pen for gods sake 😄
I define math as measurement of time and physical space. But don't mind me, I'm just a dumbshit.
Zipf's law on an interesting one
I AM MATH
So stuff that happens but no one sees it then it is not information. Unseen stuff is not remembered by anyone or anything except god.
We won't ever know. That's what I know.
What proof does he have for his claim?
A cake can’t exist without a recipe. The universe can’t without the successor function.
If the universe is God's mind... Information would be stored within dark matter... Like the human brain, the space between neurons that fire and connect. We can't perceive the space between, but it's fluid much like the universe... Ether.
A human builds a house, that house is a home to the human, but the house is not the humans' mind. The house is a creation.
Likewise, the material universe is not God's mind. God designed, implemented, and upholds the material universe, but the mind/intelligence of God preceded the universe. And the universe is not God's mind.
God is a number you can not count!!
Man. What the fuck is going on 😅
you talk about the universe as an entity in its self yet God is not bound by your universe... .
Describes regular relationships throughout space.
Information is in the eye of the beholder.
He copied what Sara walker said …. I don’t like people like that .. like no shit I juuuust said that.. so her words gave him an idea except she said it already .
It is simple as which came first; the chicken or the egg?
''Why! He Came First''
The Creator, He came 1st.
The Creator's Rooster, he came 2nd.
The Creator's Hen, she came 3rd.
For she had to be laid before all 3 entities eggs ever could.
Therefore doesn't The Creator's ''WORD'' of information come way before all Creation?
Are not those creations the mathematically numbered measurements He'd set into rhyme?
~Just another one of those many one's of we...
who's awaiting His Just⚖Return🪃. 42622/5783
Memory could be dark matter.
"but it's correct"
Why is this site still being recommended to me when I unsubscribed when the host started giving credence to anti-science anti-vaxxer conspiracy theories? I also hit the do not recommend tab.
So god is just the universes data collector and librarian basically. Ok that makes more sense LMAO
im sorry what
Jibberish. Never trust an attracrive academic.