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Destiny's Agreement Talk w/ Pro Palestine Gets Derailed By Aggressive Debate
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You should cover more on the education the PLO and HAMAS give to children there. Literally telling them to k the js. They have literal kids shows with Micky mouse saying it and glorifying deleting self to k the js
Destiny thanks for being a friend to the Jews we truly appreciate it . Also how about a debate Ben Shapiro ? You guys both talk fast & know a lot of facts it would be great to watch .
"Ctrl+F Rape" should be what Destiny names his "allegations review and analysis" series.
around 14:00 why does he stop reading and call the person ret@rded after reading "MDMA mixed with alcohol is deadly" when that's literally true
@@jaydimes3140
It's true but you'll need a shiet ton of liquor and mdma. Ofc mixing shiet can be harmful but like... taking anything can be harmful.
I've taken mdma multiple times and drank. A couple shots or couple of beers aint fina do anything. You prob would need a lot of either the 2 but atp your body prob would react before it got to that point.
For example I used to mix coke and liquor
Closest to death I've ever had wit those 2 was blacking out. But I imagine if I ever got to that point wit mdma I'd prob just throw it up.
I take back my bad faith accusations against Axle. He’s definitely a cool guy. But the most frustrating thing about the pro-Palestinian side is hand waving all the terrorist acts as just Israel bad and pretending that just ending the occupation will magically end the violence. Israel can’t be blamed for all the actions Palestinians have made, at some point they have to take some responsibility as well and I feel like that’s the wall we keep running into in these conversations
More or less, white colonizers are a bad, brown native people are a good and oppressed, something something right side of history.
Ending the occupation will not magically end violence. Even pre-1948 there was violence between jews and Arabs so there will inevitably be violence after ending occupation. However, I think that so long as one party is fighting for an independent state where they are willing to die for an abstract “freedom” they do not have right now, the level of violence will be like we’ve currently seen which is immense suffering and people dying by the thousands. The Palestinians have proven to the world and Israelis, they will not go away quietly and suffer in silence. It’s inevitably going to have to change, status quo is unsustainable. I wish there could be a 2 state solution, but that is looking increasingly impossible due to the Israeli side. Who knows now what a real and just solution looks like?
My biggest problem is no concern with Law or History and without any desire to agree on almost any facts "when Israel was formed also Syria Iraq Jordan Lebanon were formed" "sure idk but Palestine needs the land that's currently Israel and none of the other land that was Palestine before Israel" "Why " "that's Palestine pre colonial indigenous peoples land" "okay but why aren't they claiming Jordan which was also Palestine pre Israel" I'm completely convinced that not 1 pro Palestine activist cares about international law history fairness and they don't have any arguments that are rational and it's like having the trans sport debate "should a biological male be able to compete with biological woman in boxing" "trans rights are human rights" "okay but biological males are stronger then biological females in not all but virtually all cases" "Trans rights are human rights"
What’s even more annoying to me: pro-Palestinian people often argue in a way that directly or indirectly implies Israel is responsible for both sides’ well-being instead of laying the blame at Palestinian leadership constantly choosing violence and armaments over infrastructure and the care of their people. It is not Israel’s fault that Palestinians cannot adequately take care of themselves because their leadership uses their aid to aid and abet terrorism.
@@chuckecheese5251 this I think all goes back to whether or not there was a distinct Palestinian identity before then or not. Also, without heading to Syria and Jordan and Egypt, was there or was there not a Arab population living in the territory which is now Israel? Was there Arab cities and villages that have since been renamed and rebuilt? If this is true, then why does it matter wether those Arabs identify themselves as Palestinians or not? Also, is your answer to this that all the people and grandchildren of the ppl who are refugees from expulsions in that territory should just move to Jordan or Syria, resettle and call it a day? That is something that can be debated but to pretend as though there isn’t a real contention with the land between Jews and Arabs specifically pertaining to that territory is not honest as well.
The solution is simple... everyone in Palestine and Israel should have open relationships... Trust me they work!
You a savage 🤣
@@singlespeedsoulja8415you’re*
@@frondeur5795cultural genocide happening rn
This narrative is weird...... As if every monogamous relationship automatically works forever.......
Only works if you are rich enough. If you have enough resources so that is not the source of your disagreements.
she didn’t mention that she wouldn’t leave and i called 911 after she refused to get in the uber i called for her. Kay
WHAT?
Yeah, I believe you, Toby. Also your Minecraft Let's Play series was hilarious
Tobuscus is to youtube what Steven Seagal is to martial arts
Tobuscus DGG member BASED
*Kicks the stove, punches the pantry
Crazy how Destinys employee is outsourcing his work to his boss, what a worthy investment Q is.
He’s gotta dump the cash somewhere before the divorce. Q is a 60k/year escape strategy.
Dest can't let go of people that condone him getting killed over his takes during their first talk. Yes, this is how he met Q. This man can't see the problem even if it would be launching fireworks at him all way through.
@@jakeroper1096i think it's 60k weekly
@@MrVirtuezzznot even remotely
Wut? Timestamp?
Tiny hitting us with his final solution
Im no expert, but from my understanding Tobuscus got falsely accused and then just kind of stopped posting because of it. I watched some youtube video essay and it pretty much convinced me that he got 'me too'd' unfairly.
Has Israel and Hamas considered being in an open relationship?
Tobuscus had a hard fall. He just got a deal with Cartoon Network before he got cancelled.
He was really funny, a shame
Bro I didn't know that while this whole Israel/Palestine debate saga was going on, Destiny's wife was being manipulated by a suicidal twink. How can Destiny be so calm during all these streams while his marriage is falling apart? I could never.
He’s really not neurotypical
@@Bori.1776"he's not like the other girls"
He HAS been streaming 50% less it seems
he did say the n word
I'm sure he is giving her the emotional support she tells him she needs.
I think at 49:00 Destiny slams the point home, from there the axe guy is just using a logical fallacy to try to brain scramble in just something that looks like he's winning the argument
I was not expecting a tobuscus cameo
I think both Israelis and Jordanians are allowed to visit the other country with a visa. There may be exceptions to that rule, but as a general rule, people are allowed to visit both countries with a visa.
Cool to get a take on the Tobuscus deal as a bonus lol
I'm from Israel, and a peaceful resolution is something that I would love to have. Today, I don't see it happening for a number of reasons. The one that I want to focus on, that was mentioned multiple times, is the Israeli support for such a solution. While this is a real issue, with Netanyahu and his various coalitions, which did a lot to antagonize Palestinians, mainly through the building of settlements, and have strengthened Hamas, the shift to the right was in response to the perceived damage caused by concessions to the Palestinian Authority, and to the Palestinians in general.
An example brought up a lot by right-leaning Israelis, is the aftermath of the Oslo Accords, and of the evacuation from the Gaza Strip. The latter, is somewhat of a trauma for many Israelis, and a what is considered by many Israelis, a proof that Palestinians aren't interested in peace, and that gestures are perceived by Palestinians, as a weakness, and a defeat, for which Hamas has taken credit.
From the Israeli side, this was the ultimate show of goodwill, which was supposed to bring prosperity for Gaza, and improved relations, has fired back in the most horrible way possible. The warnings from the right, which were then dismissed by many, have become prophetic, radicalizing the Israeli population. The notion of concessions today, for many, are unthinkable.
I still hold hope. Maybe with the end of Hamas, if the right forces will intervene, and the good of the people of Gaza will prevail, perhaps there will be a future peace, today however, peace is an unattainable dream.
Are you israeli or are you brony
Do you think it's more reasonable to believe peace would come if Israel crushes the Gazans spirit for resistance? Shouldn't Israel make it clear that Palestine will never win the land they lost back through violence, that these "freedom fights" and "resistance fighters" create misery for Gazans, and that violent resistance will only cause them death and hell. You don't believe that eventually Palestinians who don't want bloodshed will turn on Hamas and agree that peace is better for them and accept a two state after massive destruction? How will Palestinians ever choose peace if they don't submit and accept reality? This happened to multiple countries in the past, after a devasting war made them reconsider and become peaceful. I think such trauma that Gaza is experiencing right now is the only way a major shift will happen in the population, a premature ceasefire will ruin that opportunity.
I urge you to consider if you are thinking of a realistic solution or if you are dreaming of a utopia. One side must submit after losing a war and say "okay, now we want peace". Palestinians have never done that, because they never embraced full accountability for their failures.
@@watching7384 In my comment, I wanted only to touch upon the Israeli resistance to peace talks.
Many times, people outside Israel don't understand why Israelis wouldn't want to pursue peace talks. From the outside, it seems barbaric for a democratic people, to not let their weaker neighbor be free, and live in peace, even if it takes some hard to swallow concessions, and meanwhile, let them live in dignity.
The current war is related to the topic, but I wanted to stay focused on the history of peace talks.
It's very hard to say where the Gazans will end up after the war is over, and it may depend on how it will end.
However it ends, though, there is still the West Bank, and the divide will still exist.
That is not to say that I'm for a ceasefire. To leave Gaza in such a state, with Hamas still in power, will make the horrific loss of life, be in vain, and will plant the seeds for much more death.
It's always good to hear from people on the ground. Thanks for sharing and good luck to everyone.
Do you think the deaths in Gaza are malicious negligence and disregard for civilian life in order to satiate the appetite for vengeance or a converted effort to force the question of population transfer onto Gaza as a whole as life becomes untenable?
Gotta say im really enjoying this talks with AxeHole while i do disagree with him on a lot (being an israeli) i think he makes great points and usually tries to stick to facts and not just pure emotion. For sure learning a lot on both sides
he said oct 7th was resistance
@Woolwoven Well im not defending his view i just see him as rather logical if you press him on it like Destiny has done he doesn't really agree with the terror attack he is more of the view that "theres context" and sure there is context but no justification as it was directed primarly at citizens
@@holorenSHORTS And how is that incorrect? It was a super violent resistance. Resistance =\= morally good action. You crying about it doesn’t change what it factually was.
To that ill have to hardly disagree resistance is a pretty broad word i suppose but to look at what transpired and say oh yeah its resistance brutal one but still resistance seem unreal to me, the attacks on army bases and personal sure i guess but point blank killing clearly civilians or even if we say fine killing happens but raping and uploading the footage / gloating about it is sure as hell ain't resistance surely you agree no? @@earhearthush-up5549
@@earhearthush-up5549one thing progressives seem todo really well is to alter language and their message to be able to flow around their rigid moralistic views lol. Its not racism, it's just anti white, it's not anti semetic it's just anti zionist, it's not terrorism it's just super violent resistance. 😂
Although I don’t agree with destiny I learn a lot from these debates and appreciate him bringing on knowledgeable level headed voices like this one
So you’re ok with beheadings and all that??
@@TheIsraelProphetessJesus Christ lmao
@@TheIsraelProphetess yeah that’s totally what I said 🙂
@@ShaitanDaDon long live Farfour !
This was a good fun debate actually. Like it was actually fun listening. Both players are also very… idk. Fun to listen to. I hope there is more, i am probably through like 12 of these. This one was really nice. I would like to know more of this guy, i did not know he was from palestine, but if we had 2 million like him in the gaza, there would be peace a long time ago.
The axehole saga conversation has been amazing. I disagree with tons of what he says but he is truly a good faith debator.
I think its less of him being a "good faith debator" and more of it being Destiny forcing him to concede bs viewpoints.
well......
Axehole: I have a sandwich here!
Destiny: But you don't have any meat?
Axehole: Look at my sandwich.
Destiny: There isn't any cheese or mayo?
Axehole: My sandwich is great.
Destiny: You only have 2 pieces of bread?
Axehole: You do not know what the actual definition of "sandwich" is. Look at UN resolution 2354 subparagraph 45, this is obviously a sandwich, how dare you.
Please have this guy on more. I really like him!
If you have a Jordanian visa you can visit Israel without issue. If you have trouble getting a Jordanian passport, that's because of Jordan, not Israel. How AxeHole doesn't see that just shows how blinded he is against Israel. lol
Well apparently visas aren't given out as easily as one might expect
Im Jordanian what you’re saying is not true
Why would a Jordanian visa grant someone permission to enter Israel?? That doesn’t even sound right
I have an Arab neighbour whose Jordanian family rock up to visit him every other month. Maybe Axehole's family are in some sort of irredentist organisation.
I really appreciate Axhole this was a great conversation
Fighting and losing a war even if justified doesn't mean you get to come to the negotiating table like it didn't happen
"Eww, these borders look gross."
Guy who never had a state and lost a dozen bloody conflicts in pursuit of one, when he is handed a state on a silver platter.
Five minutes of this blockbuster length talk are him handwaving away the David Accords. Palestinians must not have had it bad if they are so casually about rejecting such a offer.
you are so right, i dont know , how someone can even utter "2 state solution" after that moment. even other arab STATES (...not impostors) said "wtf". like i remember a quote from the then prince of saudi arabia basically said "if you do not take that, then fuck around and find out you idiots." - Prince Bandar bin Sultan Al Saud . He is still alive, we could ask him what he thinks now, but i guess with the normalisation process, that they want to continue after the war, its pretty clear what the saudis think.
W take on Tobuscus. He got done real dirty back in the metoo day as far as I could tell
Destiny gave Bar-Kochba (no, definitely not Arabic - it's Hebrew: בַּר כּוֹכְבָא ) as many pronunciations as we Jews gave Hanukkah spellings.
Just put in any number of 'k's.
The Tobuscus side tract was not on my bingo card
This dude needs to play any of the Civ games.
axehole is definitively a much better palestinian advocate than others Destiny talked to
@@hijklmnopreaper those are NOT the most controversial. besides, his arguments are pretty dumb and don't consider the facts on the ground. when the majority of Palestinians want to fight from the river to the sea him being alone in not agreeing with it doesn't change much.
The palestinian authority lost popularity partly BECAUSE of their cooperation with Israel
and when they teach their Muslim audience a Hadith about killing Jews. makes you really suspect their interests for a two state solution.
@@hijklmnopreaperwhat pro Palestinian activists think is irrelevant. What matters is what Palestinians think and you just said yourself that it wouldn’t surprise you if they wanted a one state solution with no Jews.
"I spit in your general direction!" -Palestine
I always thought a martyr was defined as someone who died in the line of protesting and/or fighting for some kind of socio-political and/or religious cause. Whether good or bad.
1 If you argue from the aspect of international law, which that guy did, Then you need to also accept the international recognition of the annexation for the westbank by Jordan, which is none. So since the UN says, Jordan never (legally) annexed the weatbank, how can the UN turn around and say Israel took the land from Jordan? How can someone take something you never had from you? Maybe I'm wrong, but I find the guy's claim not only illegitimate, but also illogical.
2 people used to call people in Egypt Egyptians, but they just call 'palestinians' Arabs in (mandate) Palestine. I think that's a clear distinction. No one called themselves as Palestinian, I don't know what more evidence he needs. Palestine was never a sovereign state throughout history, they never had kings or presidents or whatever. Meanwhile Egypt,Syrian,Jordan etc., were all kingdoms.
3 I think the reason why Israel is vague about its boarder is plenty clear:
there is no such thing as on state border， there are only borders between two neighboring countries. A Israel- Palestine boarder can only be a border when Palestinians also agree on it. But this is not the case.
good points.
edit. really good points, actually.
"Hamas was elected because they lost all hope for diplomacy" On the first elections they have after Israel unilaterally left Gaza, they lost all hope for diplomacy.
@@hijklmnopreaper I agree, not trying to criticize them, I'm explaining why the Israeli left wing collapsed since.
We don't really know if they're all impoverished. They like to embellish stuff like that and there's no transparency there. They make it sound like they all live in refugee camps but somehow the IDF keeps finding high rises to bomb..
57:50 I disagree because it hurts my position, but i think your right.
57:46 as a historian, my ears bleed. Tiny says "Palestinians" were just a collection of tenant farmers with no national self - identity, while comparing them to Egyptians, who (in his mind) were the complete opposite. First of all I don't know why the socio-economic status gets thrown in there. Second of all a lot of Egyptians were also tenant farmers. Third of all whether or not Palestinians (or even the tenant farmers living there) had a state before (or even had a strong national identity) is totally inconsequential to a moral argument - just because I don't feel connected to my home doesn't give anyone the right to "occupy" it. I've noticed those sorts of arguments get thrown around by Tiny, so I'd recommend the book "Imagined Nations" by Benedict Anderson. It's argument is what Tiny doesn't seem to understand - that nations are socially constructed beings, which are usually constructed retroactively (as in: do you think every "American" fighting the independence war considered himself an American? What did it even mean to be an American? Nonetheless it was this moment that stands as one of the bedrocks of the formation of an American identity).
Yeah, Destiny's focus on nationalism is kinda crazy given how relatively recent the notion of a nation-state is. Let alone how arbitrary and externally imposed by imperial powers much of nation-state building was.
But Destiny's historical knowledge only extends as far as his most recent Wikipedia speedrun... so what can we really expect? 🤷♂
First he claims his family can't visit Israel because they are Jordanians. Then when Destiny points out Jordanians can visit Israel he switches to "well they only grant so many visas"
When there one rumour of grape it’s nothing most of the time but when u hear about a few different ones there something up
Should have hammered AxeHole harder on the Jordanian annexation of the West Bank. The local Arabs refused to organize a government and declare independence so there was no sovereign in the West Bank when Jordan took it and when Egypt took Gaza. because of that mandate successor state rule where Israel is the sole sovereign successor of the British Mandate after the British withdrew (no other sovereign successor states to the Mandate were declared except for Israel), technically, in the most extreme way of looking at it, the West Bank and Gaza were annexed by Jordan and Egypt FROM ISRAEL.
I think that might be taking it too far however.
- I see the West Bank and Gaza from 1948 - 1967 as DISPUTED territory occupied and annexed by foreign Arab countries.
- From 1967 - Oslo they were disputed territories occupied by Israel and in this time the PLO only declared Palestinian Independence in 1988.
- From Oslo to the 2005 disengagement, both Gaza and the West Bank were kind of a pseudo state as per all the agreements signed between Israel and the PLO yet also disputed since Israelis still settled in Gaza.
- From the 2005 Gaza disengagement to 2007, Gaza was basically all Area A and not disputed while The West Bank remains disputed territory with certain aspects of it treaty regulated like Area A. The Israeli Settlement areas are outright disputed.
- Since the 2007 Hamas takeover and Israeli/Egyptian blockade, Gaza is an unrecognized territory under military blockade that acts as a de facto, but not de jure, state. The West Bank remains disputed territory with certain aspects of it treaty regulated like Area A. The Israeli Settlement areas are outright disputed.
Destinys intros are weird as fuck. They are like a schizo ramblings with some corporate Memphis music playing in the background. A real trippy weird choice. I don’t think he understands how intros are supposed to work lmao
I didnt see this dudes muscles but i assume their quite massive. Ive never seen a man move goalposts with such ease.
"Who did Jordan conquer it from" went hard, had Destiny stumbling for a minute.
Yeah because he is completely inconsistent in his simping for Israel.
Jordan didn't conquer it from Palestine.
@Zach0451 same as Israel didn't. Think he got mixed up in his arguments for a minute. He even admitted that Jordan conquered it "from the people living there", which is the opposite to his argument regarding Israel/Palestine.
This whole arc feels like a move away from his "capital L Liberal" values.
Timestamp? Im listening rn but dont wanna miss it
Edit: 46:26, lmao, you call that stumbling? Like thats a fckn gotcha moment, can you even explain why one would have to immediately know the answer to that question?
If you take over territory that isn't part of another nation, that's still conquest.
1:05:03 2 state solution topic
Thank you
Just put the napkin map back on the table and say the offer is there whenever they come to terms with reality.
It’s hilarious that you people still think israel wants any kind of 2 state deal in 2023. They’re removing all the Palestinians from the region. And live-streaming it. So just cut the shit and get to the part where you just come out and say that that’s fine by you.
holy shit imagine kelly only having a problem with someone when it comes to decade old allegations that she googled, read the first paragraph and immediately came up with an entire background story the same way she does with Darius.
Q is the worst orbiter in history
No, Zherka's worse.
Who is Q? Im new.
@winterphilosophy3900 Qorantos joined the orbit after Destiny debated him on Islam earlier in the year. He's mostly around for comedic effect but he's not very popular. He now does a degenerate debate show with Destiny called Kick or Keep.
Omfg. Did anyone else entirely forget this dude was here.
14:27 - 😂😂
Also he was so on edge with Q, it makes sense now lol
Yes but I mean, Q is also outsourcing his work to Destiny for what has to be the hundredth time lol.
@@masterdclone2172idk I think checking with your boss to see if a guest is too much of a brand risk is a fair thing to raise lol
@kiknazz the issue isn't checking with your boss over this. It's checking with your boss and not bringing the work already searched beforehand with links and evidence of why it could be a good idea.
@@masterdclone2172 Kelly's made such a big fucking deal about this guy. Saying she's walking off for this one. He needs the Ds judgment on it.
02:12:40 Israel *did* end the occupation over Gaza unilaterally in 2005 and they got a terror state in return. The blockade started once Hamas took over Gaza violently in 2007. I expect to see you in the next Pro-Israel protest.
this whole debate has ignored one important fact.. Israel will always have the upper side in the negotiations and the Palestinians side will always cry " that's not fair " .and so they'll will keep and still are suffering for it. after 4 wars you can't expect to get whatever you want but just like Destiny mentions that they lost the Arab counties backing their cause.sadly it was replace by Lefties of the western world who tell them " yes keep fighting you will win, your life is a sacrifice I (western blue haired Karen) am wiling to make.
These are so fucking interesting.
Anyone got a link to the next video?
1:26:50 I knew this was going to be Destiny’s response… super quick to judge/condemn Palestinians but when shown the missteps of the Israeli government, all of a sudden there’s reasons why it makes sense
Half the time Pro Palestine people make big allegations they’re false or misleading. So yeah, it’s better to be skeptical of people who are ideologically possessed
This is why you say no to drugs kids. Cope is not even a word at this point.
@@rubeno.1195Speak for yourself sun shine. What makes you think you know what everyone else is "in YT" is thinking? Wait, don't tell me cause no one here really cares.
Israel already aggressively pursued a two state peace plan in the Oslo Accords and in the Gaza disengagement. It also unilaterally left south Lebanon and suffered a war for it. And the current war is because it also aggressively pursued a two state plan by leaving Gaza and letting the Arabs establish a state on their own. And the majority of wars it suffered was in areas it left. Sorry dude, there is no two state solution. There is only Arabs taking what land they can, and continuing the war against Israel from that area. There are only two other viable solutions. One is population transfer of Arabs to another state. And the other one is an Emirate proposal put forward from Mordechai Kedar.
Man if this quadrated guy.... Really gives you motivation, doesn't it.?
How many times is this guy going to get destroyed and keep coming back? Is Destiny paying him or something ?
Nah he is actually really smart but is just training Destiny to combat the bad faith arguments.
Why dismantle and demolish settlements when they could be sold, to whoever, in the future?
Wow can’t wait to hear destiny’s idea how to solve world 🌎 problems
Sometimes in chat i push my luck with the mods for the memes. Lucky me the mods are top tier. F U Kriegar 😂
Destiny posting thru the split /divorce thank god
No countries in the world recognized the West Bank as part of Jordan, from 48 to 67, nor has anyone recognized it as part of Israel...it's been a disputed territory since the mandate ended.
It's a weird no man's land that no country has a recognized claim to...
My favorite part of the discussion is at 1:14:45 where the editor decides to leVe 1min of silence
1:14:47 Smartest Destiny has sounded in a minute
I feel like I've seen this one already... is this a reupload? or might it be a clip from the main channel?
hes had 3 convos with this same guy who keeps coming back to get his shit pushed back in as to his obvious bias for Palestine. Each time he comes back he concedes on something from the last convo. But I guess his demeanor and ability to not go schizo appeals to Destiny at the moment.
some of his justifications/arguments come out of constantly encompassing Israel and every action they take as the worst thing ever and no reason behind why and it just came out of nowhere.
Idk, but the video is a week old, so prob from some clips somewhere.
What is the purpose of this discussion?
I need his solution on Melina not Israel
Every fucking time, and Destiny seems to think this is acceptable, America has fucked over negotiations of foreign affairs because of elections. Elections should not be an excuse to cancel discussions that lead to peace and the ending of horrible shit.
I don’t get it destiny had said that the issue is purely political and not a religious conflict but then says the Palestinians are driven by radical Islam and jihad??
Roads going into your country from another country mean that you arent a country? This guy has a PhD? Thats crazy
People still talk about Palestine and Israel, news are dry 😂
Has a pro Palestinian ever not misrepresented a quote?
Nope. Being pro-Palestine requires one to constantly engage in blatant dishonesty and bad faith. This is why Destiny leans towards Israel after he exhaustively and impartially researched and investigated the facts of the Israel-Palestine conflict.
Missed opportunity with the title smh
Yo why does this video have an ad every 3 minutes holy shit
If supporting a two state solution with (almost) 67 borders makes you pro Palestinian, half of Israel are pro Palestinian, it's just a matter of convincing them that the Palestinians won't attack the second their state is founded.
Why does august keep using this picture that makes destiny look like he has a massive underbite lol
Okay is August on vacation or something? What's with the editing of this video? First there's the random Qorantos bit that was totally off topic and didn't need to be in this video. Then there's the minute or so Destiny has to answer his door and there's just complete silence. Is there a reason why these things aren't being edited out?
Desteny is great
State = An authority which is recognized internationally with the previlage to conduct and enforce law within a certain border.
242 doesn't say you can't occupy land, it says that initiate war to conquer land, but once a war is started against another state, you can conquer a land to ensure that your borders are safe.
The middle east is a region of different interests, that was always on a verge of something between a pan-Arabic superstate, and Khalifate and monarch-like leaders.
part of the reason that Palestinian didn't have a true national leadership, with strong figures like Ben Gurion.
the west bank and Gaza were established through peace negotiation with Egypt and Jordan.
Israel's borders can be viewed in any Israeli map.
Have fun and enjoy life.
It’s a common misrepresentation that Jordanians are Palestinians. Less that 20% are actually Palestinians but the claim of 60%+ is including when Jordan was part of the British mandate for Palestinian. Most Jordanians are from the area that is todays Jordan, it’s only a trick to say they are Palestinian based on the fact that they are the same ethnic group and that Jordan was once part of The British mandate.
It's not so much a trick as it is context. Like I didn't realize Jordan was formed from half of Mandatory Palestine. Basically, why do the Arabs need another state from Mandatory Palestine when they already got Jordan.
Jordan needs to absorb the West Bank people. And Egypt needs to absorb the Gaza people. Idk why they abandoned them in the first place. Their own people no less 🤌
Israel made the mess they can fix it.
Did Palestine ever acknowledge isreal as a state?
As a person that have lived through all of those attempts at peace with the palestinians, anyone that still thinks that Israel should make peace with the palestinians is deluded.
Destiny should just admit that he was wrong about the Clinton accords. Every Jew outside of Israel has admitted since they happened that neither side was legitimately looking for peace by the time that meeting ended.
To be clear that is as opposed to whe. The talks began.
Who said that Israel takes in Muslim refugees they have all the time there’s two million in Israel right now . The problem isn’t if Israelis can live in peace amongst Palestinians they already do. It’s Palestine that hate Jews and won’t let them step foot inside there side.
If there wasn't a national identity of the palestinians then how is it so based that they resisted the creation of israel?
Arabs want one palastinian state without any jews, and another state that's "democratic" with a palastinian majority from refugees coming in. So where's a Jewish state between the river and the sea?
The Ottoman controlled region of syria, by their own definition, didn't even cover the current country of syria.
The Mamluks were literally an Egyptian State before the Ottomans conquered them. Modern Palestine never was in history a state. The only states in that region were Jewish Kingdoms prior to full annexation of the Romans and renaming the region to palestine to insult the jews after their revolt.
Ancient Greece had a right of return after Sparta defeated Athens when Athens expelled the inhabitants of Melos, Aegina, and many other cities. England had a right of return for people from 1215 to all English who were living and fighting in France. France had the right of return in 1791, where they allowed any French colonialists the right to return after generations away, especially the french protestants who were expelled during civil wars. When Germany was defeated in WW1, the Danish were allowed to return to formerly annexed territory. What about the European Human Rights Court decision in the Loizidou v Turkey case where she was thrown out of Northern Cyprus and prevented from returning by Turkey, which was ruled that it was a violation of her human rights and turkey had to pay for the damages caused. The same thing happened in 2005 with Diego Garcia, removed from his island by the British government. They had to pay out and the only reason it was dismissed in 2012 for his right to return was because he accepted the money. There's been plenty of cases of right of return and compensation for this. If Israel displaced those people, they should either have to pay out for damages or let them return.
This guys knowledge is VERY biased and wrong.
Practically everything he said about the "occupation" is wrong.
refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so, this will exclude 99,9 % of all palestinians
thats the point. they dont want them back.
The pro palestinians allways refer to israels publishing, archives and books. They never refer to palestinians publeshing or archives because they do not want others to know what is written or sayes there. Palestinians are not irresponsible children and ther must take responsability to there decitions and there life
1:44:36 what the fuck is he talking about, Palestinian Israelis have equal rights?!?!
Is this Destiny's argumentation coach?
Q sucks!
Fire him already!
Black September!
At 1:55:00 It depends on what is meant by practical
Kinda funny how Destiny's argument against Palestine hinges on showing where Palestine boarders are, then he can't prove where Isreal declared their boarders and just hand waves past it. LoL
because they didnt right? got a timestamp?
Why does Destiny keep Q around? Is it just for the content? Cause he is the worst employee, he can’t do shit himself and is so immature and sensitive about things, why keep him around?
I think Axle is really smart, but I swear every time he uses 242 for the foundation or "shield" for almost every argument I just lose any understanding of his argument.
edit: I exaggerated by saying every argument but he does it a lot.