Is a 2 state solution for the Israel-Palestine conflict possible? | Inside Story
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- 7 days of air strikes on the Gaza strip, nearly 15 thousand Palestinians killed, 1,200 Israelis dead, ongoing raids and arrests by the Israeli Army in the occupied West bank.
Add to that - Israeli settler attacks on Palestinian communities - is now really the best time to restart discussion surrounding the elusive two-state solution for Israel and Palestine?
Presenter: James Bays
Guests:
Alon Liel - Former Israeli Ambassador to South Africa.
Phyllis Bennis - Fellow at the Institute for Policy Studies
Mustafa Barghouti - Secretary General of the Palestinian National Initiative
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Move the settlements out.
EXACTLY REMOVE THE ISRAELI “ILLEGAL” SETTLEMENTS Out!!!! Period!!
Exactly my thoughts. They shouldn't be there in the first place. Just because there are many doesn't make it right. Plus the settlers the one that doing the cruelty.
In your home.
thiefs
@@dellafoster9540it’’s much easier to move palestinians out as palestine was never a country and they never had any national identity nor economy.
It is clear there is no intention from Israel to solve things unless they are forced through international pressure and sanctions. US is the biggest enabler of the impunity enjoyed by Israel 😊
Ya Ukraine is 🇺🇸 fault. Gaza is 🇺🇸 fault. All Muslim wars and Muslim on Muslim killings is 🇺🇸 fault… let’s never blame the actual ones killing or extremism
Even more considering the off shore gaz fields in Gaza waters, wich may be the real reason for israelis letting oct 7th go on
This is the only way forward.
Yes I agree.... the most important thing would be not only the explicit vehement condemnation of the United States and the EU States all together, but also heavy sanctions on Israel....
This would imply a new World Order....
The State of Israel exists just like Apartheid in South Africa with connivance and turning a blind eye to successive acts of illegal occupation, persecution and arbitrary and constant arrests of Palestinians, etc. just like it was in South Africa...
Only under the financial and political protection of these States at an international level can these despotic governments survive.
Tired of words and speeches are the oppressed People all over the world...
It is important to dialogue but to take serious actions that constitute an equally serious impediment to the existence of these despotic and hegemonic governments...
Once again, thank you Aljazeera for bringing people to your panel who are worth listening to...⚖️🪔🕊️☮️ 🙏🏼
Hey, Israel is so stubborn they'd even defy the US!
Dr. Mustafa Barghouti is a great representative of the Palestinian people. As a Palestinian, I hope that he will represent us as our future leader. He is also a very endearing person.
I agree wholeheartedly ❤
You are so right 👍👍👍
We can see that any possibility of an escape route to Jordan has been made impossible as the Palestinians are surrounded by Israeli occupation. The Palestinian map is getting smaller and smaller and have been in the open air prisons for too long. I'm not sure what the resolution is here other than sacking of Netanyahu and placing a Palestinian in the front seat of Parliament. Perhaps we can ask Russia and BRICS to intervene. Germany was a better country under the East Germany Russian rule.
The coast and hinterland in antiquity was known as Canaan the land where Jesus was born. Attested by Egyptian and Assyrian records but no mention of Palestine. The people called the Country Eretz Israel, the land of Israel, using the names Israel and Judah to designate the two Kingdoms split after the death of King Solomon (Suleiman)…The Judge must be very wise and sober not to give what belongs to one to the other or vice-versa. Israel was gracious enough to offer this land to the “Palestines” as an independent state but they refused. They want everything. Just
@@ring-tone278I am an Australian disporia Ukrainian whose Ancestors fled the Holomodor. More people died during the Holomodor than the Holocaust and you don't hear a thing about it. None of us are crying out to anyone saying you are a Holomodor denier. These wars have all been pre-planned by the Zionists. When is the world going to realise IDF are Nazis. Germany is the real Superpower behind these atrocities by the west along with Saudi Arabia and China. They own the US, UK, Europe and China with their global corporations. They have offices , supply chain and production facilities in Israel and China and throughout the globe. Shame on Germany, NAZIS have been reborn.
Between 1950 and 1953, US Navy, backed by west Germany, dumped Napalm bombs on Koreans, burning a third of the population alive. At the time the population was 18 million. And a third of that is....6 million in 3 yrs.
These scenes in Palestine are reminiscent of WW2, mass graves and shootings by SS officers. The brainwashing of decades of Hitler Nazis youth that are rebranded as IDF. They all grew up to be terrorists and Anti-Semitic. Hypocrites, German parliament is Anti-Semitic.and islamahobes.....Anti-Arabic, Anti,,-Aramaic and Anti-Hebrew speaking Semites. The epitome of racism and evil Nazism. They are also Anti-Slavic as you can see by the history of wars in former Jugoslavia and now Ukraine.
German Chancellor Olaf, Saudi Royal family, British Royals, rather than parading your families around the world causing distractions how about sending your children in to Palestine to sort out this mess you have created. Prince Andrew where are you? Prince Harry? We will never forget you dressing up as a Nazis in your youth. (We know you knew of your German heritage) and how about the next in line to the throne, William. All very courageous when there was never a threat to your lives. Your daddy doesn't look like he has many years left in him, always so red faced (a sign of too much indulgence in alcohol) neither does the Queen that ruined your families life. What would Diana say about all this?
Absolutely remove 800k "illegal" settlers, they are illegal as she said. Absolutely remove any israel control....I do appreciate that she says as an American jew, it is not for her to say, that should be the position of all Jewish Americans
We can see that any possibility of an escape route to Jordan has been made impossible as the Palestinians are surrounded by Israeli occupation. The Palestinian map is getting smaller and smaller and have been in the open air prisons for too long. I'm not sure what the resolution is here other than sacking of Netanyahu and placing a Palestinian in the front seat of Parliament. Perhaps we can ask Russia and BRICS to intervene. Germany was a better country under the East Germany Russian rule.
The coast and hinterland in antiquity was known as Canaan the land where Jesus was born. Attested by Egyptian and Assyrian records but no mention of Palestine. The people called the Country Eretz Israel, the land of Israel, using the names Israel and Judah to designate the two Kingdoms split after the death of King Solomon (Suleiman)…The Judge must be very wise and sober not to give what belongs to one to the other or vice-versa. Israel was gracious enough to offer this land to the “Palestines” as an independent state but they refused. They want everything. Just
what Jewish Americans and Americans in general can do is boycott Israel and put pressure on their US government to stop supplying military support for Israel..so there is lots everyone can do 'outside' the land
Just divide the land, keep the people whatever their race or religion if they want to stay. Establish a transition government and let the UN security force to handle the peace and order management, total gun ban for civilians for 2 years' by then hatred would die down new bond and friendship between races will flourish, allow intermarriage and only at that time the new country be allowed to have their own military.
Gaza has proven what happens when they are left to rule them selfs, they always choose war, instead of build there country.
The Palestinian deserve to live like a human being 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢May Allah shower his mercy upon you all my beloved Palestinian people ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Amin
Mohamed is a terrorist , you minus wannabe opinionated sheep
Human beings ? They were celebrating watching dead bodies behind trucks on 7th October...
No way . Gaza and Palestinian are too toxic
@@MsSkybear you are evil
I personally would not welcome Isrealies near me. I don't expect the Palestinians to welcome living next to them after all they've done either.
We will not submit
We will not kneel
From the river to the sea palestine will be free inshallah. ❤ 🇵🇸
These "people" are definitely Repulsive.Understand why the Europeans didn't want them there
Worst possible neighbor
@@eusunt123😅 Your holiday parking lot in Tel Aviv is a paved over mass grave from the 17,000 Arabs killed to create the zionist colonial entity
Sleep well
What about the suicide bombings, stabbings and riots committed by Palestinians? This isn't one-sided violence.
it's impossible as long as US, UK, and EU supports Israel
@@eusunt123 you already said this brilliant idea spammer .. are you isreali?
That's why the US, UK and EU need to stop providing aid to Palestinian terrorists.
@@eusunt123 NB: there are so many countries ready to help. But Netanyahu and his right-wing guys are scared becsuse they'll be losing their grip on power....FOREVER😅😅
@@rizanz2108you forget that Israel always wanted a 2 state policy
@@bella-hi4oo
Really? Why do they keep wanting more lands and houses in the West Bank then?
Hilary Clinton should be doing life in jail tbh
Two (2) states solution should be FAIR in order to work
= there must be a UN contingent forces and guarantor of peace in the boundaries of Palestine territory and Israel.
= Gaza should have a territorial sea, including exploration of any resources therein not to be controlled by any states but the state of Palestine.
= Gaza access to the sea and air should be free from intrusion of Israeli forces or government.
Gaza State?
You believe that after 6 months work, when i have 2 weeks holidays, when i choose Israel at destination,
I want to be abducted from people from Gaza State; that will trade me for some money?
Now was release some hostages that was abducted in 7, who was there in holiday .?!
Don't forget both states need access to Jerusalem.
THE ISRAEL ALREADY DID THAT SINCE 2005 BUT HAMAS BROKE THAT DEAL SINCE OCT 7. NO ONE WOULD TRUST HAMAS REGIME ANYMORE.
@@Lucky-wk9wvjerusalem is palestian. Israel should stick to before 1967 which nobody recognize even the US
Would the United States give back the land to the native Indians? The United States is same as Israel.
Once Natenyahu goes to the ICC to face his punishment then the new government should work on a two state resolution
Clueless on who control the world 😂😂
Yeah and the Iranian arrest trump
Ridiculous
@@jeffsullivan755 please enlighten us since you know
@@loudmouthdiaries5188 The U.S did
@@AndreWhyte I don't think u know the meaning of the word arrest.
Benjamin isn't facing anything unless u plan to arrest hamas leader too
If humanity is really going to move forward, shouldn't a ONE STATE solution be the ultimate goal?
One person, one vote, recognition and protection of religious and cultural pluralism? This is how the conflicts in South Africa and Northern Ireland were resolved and this is a view that has been put forward by voices from Israel (Miko Peled) and Palestine (Ali Abuminah), as well as being echoed by Mustafa Barghouti here.
Exactly! There’s no two state solution that’s viable anymore, and it was never fair to begin with. Why should Palestinians accept being partitioned in their own homeland?
That would doom the state to open ethinic conflict, 10 times worse than Lebanon in the 80s.
@@emmanuelpettersen7676 this is an "armchair quarterback" conversation. Nonetheless, that was the fear in South Africa, yet there were two leaders in Mandela and de Klerk with integrity who steered their communities away from vengeance and retribution. Who are the leaders with integrity in Israel and Palestine? It is not the possibility of a one-state solution that is the issue, it is the lack of leadership on both sides.
On point
The language is fascinating... No one dared to float the idea of a 2 state solution to South Africa and Nelson Mandela/FW de Klerk. Institutional apartheid was mindfully dismissed. Why is this different? Stop the occupation and create an inclusive state with equal rights for all.. These toxic leaders who have perpetrated this awful war crime must go.. Create a government of national unity under the auspices of the Un with the commitment of the security Council.... Peace and reconciliation will follow
not only removing the settlers but also giving compensation to all Palestinians. That is the least expected.
Gaza you want to say?
I have a ideea, Gazans need to start to make some houses in their land, some facilities like to bring water (maybe in that tunnels), to start to work (they don’t know what means this word) , and after, they can start to create a State for them .. 😀 Maybe in 100 years; they will succed.
Now they only know to dig, we didn’t see them to know something about create something ..
You're right let's not forget the damages to their infrastructure.
@@dellafoster9540it's UN's money
Yeah war-winners paying compensation to the losers is how it has always been in history 😂 wake up people
they lost their land due to their aggressive genocidal policies, its very unlikely to get compensation for it. its like giving the nazis party the land of germany back to them and paying them on top for all the crimes they committed
huge respect for spain and Belgium from indian
whats up with kashmir? :D
@@boagoa282going good in kashmir the land of rishi kashap.u see we are actually claiming and attaining our homeland back unlike u in palestine .oh wait its not ur homeland palestine was called judea wasnt
To late for two states Good bye to Israel and U.S.A. Go home and look after your own mess
"What do u do about 700k Settlements?"
How did 70+% of Palestinians just move North and South Of the country ?
Settlers can all go home
under heavy fire with heavy casualties apparently
Give the settlers a free ticket home to their country that they came from. This is not their land, and they knew it when they moved into settlements as an occupying antagonistic force of supremacy and exclusion, and only Jewish people have any rights by this racist government of APARTHEID.
I think the one state is a great goal but in the immediate term, there's too much hatred on both sides. I think there needs to be separation and removal of settlers so Palestinians can have peace, recover from trauma and experience life without occupation.
This is so important ... it is hate on BOTH sides... anyone trying to act (and i have seen it) like the hate is one suided are delusional
But agree a one state solution where people from all sides live peacefully side by side would be the ideal...and what it always should have been
reply to marylander i agree but we need to consider palestine hates with just cause after theve suffered years of inhumane treatment from israelies on top of having their land take a d agreements ignored by israel check the BALPHOUR AGREEMENT
@asmith9140 I don't think it's either correct or helpful to say that one side has legitimate grievance while the other does not
Both sides have done wrong and both sides have their perspective on the situation
Only by recognising ajd understanding each others perspective and grievances can you then work to moving forward
Just divide the land, keep the people whatever their race or religion if they want to stay. Establish a transition government and let the UN security force to handle the peace and order management, total gun ban for civilians for 2 years' by then hatred would die down new bond and friendship between races will flourish and only at that time the new country be allowed to have their own military.
@@jannyjan90apologetics nonsense. 🤡
It is possible, and yet it will not be easy. Clear boundaries and full control of Palestine by Palestinians only. It needs to happen right away or Israel will attempt to wiggle out of it. And, warning.... you know if this is accomplished Israel will take credit for coming up with the idea.
N no israiili solders on gaza borders.
"Clear boundaries and full control of Palestine by Palestinians only" - That has been offered to the Palestinian terrorists several times, but the Palestinians rejected it because it also meant they could no longer attack Israel and except Israel's right to exist. These terms will not change. As long as Palestinians terrorist attack... they will not be treated fairly.
No, Two states solution is not suitable.
If there is no other possibility, it is a way but not good one.
An independent Palestine territory, governs by Palistine government is better but under some conditions :
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Biden has lost his common senses.
If these billions dollars that USA has spent for weapons flowing to Israel, instead would have been spent to help Palestine, would not have been USA safer than ever?
One can draw the consequence that USA does not want its safty, USA want destruction of other countries, to have the leading role of the world, but practically USA lose, because it choose destruction of other countries, what is not supported even by its allies.
Sending weapon to israel make Israel, USA, Middle East unsafe, instead spending that money to help Palestinians makes all safer.
But one day (not very far) in the future all will accept that an independent one state Palestine must have its territory as follows or something more or less like this:
upper part of a horizontal line from Gaza to West Bank that is to say upper part of line from Mediterranean Sea lower border of Gaza to lower part of dead sea. Govern by a democratic Palestine a one state government without A, B, C parts. Northern part governs by Palistine independent government and southern part governs by Israel government.
A disarmement of both Israeli and Palestinian will grant safety of area. Both have a large police department but no army and weapons of any kind.
By this arrangement the world order will not be disturbed everytime, as until now has happened.
@@covertpuppytwo3857
It was never offered..settlers n idf took things in their hands each time.
@@lightbeings6243 You have no clue what you're babbling about... Yes, it had been offered multiple times and each time the Palestinians rejected the offer because it would also mean that they would have to recognize Israel as a Jewish state and could no longer attacking it. That is fact my little uneducated buddy! EDUCATE YOURSELF!
Netanyahu will be remembered in history like Hitler.
That's not a good legacy
In your history book at your home, that u will create at your laptop.
In the world history, will be write about 7 oct. 😂
From the river to the sea Palestine will be free.
Netanyahu will be fired
Israel and Germany bloodline
No a two state is not possible, Israel needs to give back all the land to the Palestinian people who are the rightful owners then leave permanently
U make no sense! The Jews aint goin nowhere! Where tf do u want them to go to???
We will not submit
We will not kneel
From the river to the sea palestine will be free inshallah ❤ 🇵🇸
@@FeezFBabyeurope
It's the Arabs fault. They lost every single war because of corruption all of the Arab leaders are just money hungry thieves
Palestinians refused all Two State Solutions including the original one in 1948. They decided they want war. Big mistake.
✌If the prisoner had been oppressed, he would not have accepted being asked to say goodbye when forced by someone during the evacuation, and he would not have said goodbye. These people are not people who want civilians to be harmed. They had no other choice to save their innocent people who have been captives for years..!
The lady was the most realistic. There will never be justice for the Palestinians. Not in this world.
Palestinians are nothing more than a weapon used by Hamas and Iran. They don’t care one bit about the Palestinian lives lost. But some how have manipulated them into believing it.
I have a ideea, Gazans need to start to make some houses in their land, some facilities like to bring water (maybe in that tunnels), to start to work (they don’t know what means this word) , and after, they can start to create a State for them .. 😀 Maybe in 100 years; they will succed.
Now they only know to dig, we didn’t see them to know something about create something ..
@@eusunt123 Oh and the Palestinians aren't some of the most educated people in the entire world?! Please read abt this! Are African Americans lazy or dumb? Are Latinos all dangerous? No, circumstances make ppl behave a certain way. If you thought deeply and read, you would never make a comment like that! Read abt ethnic cleansing by Ilan Pape, abt learned helplessness, abt generational pain! You're unaware of all this?!
U removed palestinians from their homes, why cant u remove the settlers?
Things nobody is saying about the illegal settlements, it's not just people, Israel has been mining these lands illegally for resources for years now. Israel won't give up on that so easily. Imagine a thief asking for compensations on "their" losses.
Don't forget the environmental damage done by the destruction of olive groves and other native plants and introduction of European ones. And the massive issue of water rights.
@@Acquilla7 Oh my God the environment damage 😱 because of the olive trees... Hope the environment will recover in time... 🙄
Being half Spanish, I am proud of Pedro Sanchez. Que valor y honor.
current Israeli government MUST be changed. Education is key as to how a two state solution (can) work.
Gaza government must be changed also
The World, Demands Totally Independence for Palestinians. Occupiers, must leave Palestinians Territory at once. Palestine will be Totally Independent by force. Love to Palestinians from Senegal 🇸🇳❤ 🌍🙏
They had their land, but decided to declare war to Israel. They lost. The loser has no right to demand anything.
You loving isreal doesn't mean it's doing legal things. Just like the occupied territories. You could love something and it's still illegal. Loving something doesn't make it legit.
@@robertmeidinger1771 Wars of conquest have been illegal for over 100 years. Even Israel knows this.
@@eusunt123 I think you're in the extreme minority.
The coast and hinterland in antiquity was known as Canaan the land where Jesus was born. Attested by Egyptian and Assyrian records but no mention of Palestine. The people called the Country Eretz Israel, the land of Israel, using the names Israel and Judah to designate the two Kingdoms split after the death of King Solomon (Suleiman)…The Judge must be very wise and sober not to give what belongs to one to the other or vice-versa. Israel was gracious enough to offer this land to the “Palestines” as an independent state but they refused. They want everything. Just
What i dont understand is how does everyone call them "illegal settlers" and we just walk over it like we just didnt say the words. Its illegal and you cant go around it. You say illegal and just walk over the word like we all dont understand what it means.
Exactly this!!
I believe both are one state or a two state solution is possible, but each requires huge concessions, mainly on the part of Israel due to its disregard of international law and the de facto reality Israel has created. This reality is that there is now a single state from the river to the sea, which ultimately controls all of the territory. That state is Israel and it is an apartheid state. If Israelis can suspend their victimhood mentality, and that of being a supreme chosen people (Gideon Levy/ reference), then I believe that tone state is the best solution. I fear, however, the above Israeli mindset is deeply entrenched and therefore practically two state has a greater chance.
But the most important thing would be not only the explicit vehement condemnation of the United States and the EU States all together, but also heavy sanctions on Israel....
This would imply a new World Order....
The State of Israel exists just like Apartheid in South Africa with connivance and turning a blind eye to successive acts of illegal occupation, persecution and arbitrary and constant arrests of Palestinians, etc. just like it was in South Africa...
Only under the financial and political protection of these States at an international level can these despotic governments survive.
"Words are carried away by the wind", my Grandmother often told me...
Tired of words and speeches are the oppressed People all over the world...
It is important to dialogue but to take serious actions that constitute an equally serious impediment to the existence of these despotic and hegemonic governments...
Once again, thank you Aljazeera for bringing people to your panel who are worth listening to...⚖️🪔🕊️☮️ 🙏🏼
But the problem is that the resources like water and infrastructure between Israel and Palestine are so intertwined, maybe a two state solution will not bring peace. Like most of the aquifers in Israel are under the occupied territories of the west bank and gaza which Palestinians aren't even allowed to use properly. I don't think Israel is willing to give up the water supply and let the west bank become an independent state. And asking the settlers to leave the west bank is another issue. A one state confederation might be a better idea or a one state solution that can give all people equal rights regardless of ethnicity or religion.
It will take time for the hatred to go away but the hatred eventually will with time, patience, empathy, and education. It happened after jim crow, it happened after WW2, the hatred eventually subsided and became confined to the extremities.
Give the land back to Palestine 🇵🇸🌎🫶🏼🇵🇸🇵🇸🌱🌱🌱🌱🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
BOTH BIBLE AND QURAN CLEARLY STATES IT BELONGS TO ISRAEL, KNOW REAL HISTORY OKAY NOT JUST 1948
You mean the people who never owned the land?
You mean the people who never owned the land?
Nah you're good
one state solution means give permission for stealing. best way is just go back home for the non native jews and settlers and give all Palestinians rights back as before Balfour Declaration.
Yes, collectively they haven’t earned the right to stay mistreating their host so appallingly.
Isn't that just another discrimination? Everything is fair in Love and war buddy. If you can't respect your opponent, That opponent will hate you too.
Yea and arabs will leave north africa as they have stolen those lands through conquest
Absolutely not .. The Israeli flag must be lowered and The invaders need to go back to spain in germany where they came from.. This is not Israel's land in any way shape or form . Do you know they considered making the state of israel in argentina and alaska? That proves a truly have no claim to this particular land and just wanted some land the problem is this land was already taken... When something is stolen it must be returned one hundred percent not shared
You forgot that The land was passed from one empire to another..British Empire was the last owner of the land.
How about a 3 state solution 1. Palestinians 2. Jews and 3. Thai Workers?
True men say the truth,thank you for your wise words
I delighted to all who stands on the truth ,lets support the truth and stand on right course
My opinion is that the 800,000 settlements must be removed and let Gaza and West Bank be a Palestinian nation. With a one state solution, Israel would become majority non Jewish, which I don’t think they want. That was South Africa’s solution and it could also work if the Jews are okay with sharing their country and becoming a political minority. But otherwise at least let Gaza and West Bank be independent Palestine.
You don't get it, those Palestinians don't want that they want all of Israel. You are right it would be like S. Africa those people without the white people running things are back in doo doo huts. These Palestinians don't know how to do anything without help from Israel.
Gaza State?
You believe that after 6 months work, when i have 2 weeks holidays, when i choose Israel at destination,
I want to be abducted from people from Gaza State; that will trade me for some money?
Now was release some hostages that was abducted in 7, who was there in holiday .. .
Your opinion is ridiculous... send these European settlers back to their homeland Poland Russia Ukraine and so on . Your a hasbara troll . Nobody listens to remarks like your anymore. Free palestine 🇵🇸 now
It's not their country though. They are colonial settlers
💯 I’m back to two states after thinking one state for years. Israel is too far gone! Palestinians need a wall and an iron dome, and a state.
The illegal settlers all have Israeli citizenship, at least, or multiple.
Would prefer to see recognition of the state asap.. sans Israeli input.. on the basis of allowing a time limited amnesty for UN facilitated deportation of settlers.
When Isrealis saying that Palestinian land are God given to them talking about 2 states solution is waste of time
I have a ideea, Gazans need to start to make some houses in their land, some facilities like to bring water (maybe in that tunnels), to start to work (they don’t know what means this word) , and after, they can start to create a State for them .. 😀 Maybe in 100 years; they will succed.
Now they only know to dig, we didn’t see them to know 😂 about create something ..
Thank you for this very educational and in depth discussion by experts in the history and current situation of Israel, Gaza and the occupied West Bank.
Standing back a few steps to see the trees and not just the forest. I see that a two state solution is an impossible request. One state Israel has a thriving economy that has grown ever more prosperous. While the Palestinian lands have been under exteme oppression and restrictions that has impeded there progress, development and establishment of industries, infrastructure independent of Israel and has been kept economically stagnant for generations. Now Gaza has become a land of rubble and the blood of innocents that will take years to rebuild.
What justice would be in establishing a two state solution while one state has made itself rich with no interest in sharing the wealth with those they have oppressed? As the other struggles to recover from such oppression. I've seen the resilience of the Palestinian people and have no doubt in their ability to recover, but the great divide between they and Israeli citizens can't remained.
Trade, travel, work, even building restrictions imposed upon them have kept them in a state of survival for far too long and they have just been knocked down once again.
Much greater minds than mine have offered up a one state solution where all are equal citizens, free to travel, work, legal rights the same, educational and work opportunities equally applied. Yet, as I sit here in the United States and look at our history, what occured after slavery was abolished, yet jim crow laws put in their place and the struggles that are still ongoing today, with equal laws supposedly in place, ignored, by individuals, people in power with deep seated bigotry and racist ideology. I wonder if it ever could be possible that those who have murdered each other in the past, will be able to live side by side in peace in the future.
Taking aside leaders who love their high places and are completely unwilling to be replaced. The will of the people must be stronger than the years, hate and oppression that has divided them. Much much stronger. But human nature is far from divine and some people like looking down upon their neighbors, taking all that is available for themselves and not wanting to share with anyone else.
My conclusion is that only Divine intervention will bring about a lasting peace on earth and I don't think that works out terribly well for all of mankind. God will not be mocked. My understanding of the scriptures spells out terrible events occuring as the wrath of God our Creator begins pouring them out. I'm not sure how much time we have left to debate, discuss or change what I see occuring on a global scale, not just in the Middle East, but everywhere.
Palestinians are like a teenagers, if they get freedom, they will hurt themselves and other. Q?: Will they better of controlling by Hamas or Israel?
None Arab countries give any freedom of speech, assembly, and self-determination to their people; why people are asking for the Western Value for Palestine. They don't care for our value nor want to have it in their life. So stop the BS and stop trying to apply the Western Value to them.
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I never thought about one-state solution for this problem. It does sound fair considering the economic gap between Israel and Palestine. But I believe its very difficult to achieve. For example even if same work opportunities are given to everyone, Palestinians aren't skilled enough to do those works right now. One state solution is very problematic and less likely to succeed. Even if it succeed it would take many decades to bring people together. I think it comes with many risks.
If we take a two state solution with clear borders. Palestine would be very poor. But it can receive economic aid from the world. The world should help with aids because they ignored this problem for so long.
There's also another aspect to this issue. The economic gap is high between Israel and Palestine not only because of this conflict. It's also because Israelis are very hardworking and skilled. I mean it has one of the strongest economies with a very high GDP per capita. Look at other gulf countries, they're only rich because of oil. So even if Palestinians weren't oppressed, they would still economically weaker compared to Israel.
@@anuj0423 Plenty of Palestinians are *extremely* skilled, from doctors to engineers to software devs, but the Palestinian economy and infrastructure are not allowed to grow. Buildings in the West Bank or East Jerusalem can't be repaired nor built without permits that only Israel issues. These are very, very rarely issued to Palestinians, and never in East Jerusalem. Anybody who leaves the West Bank to seek work in another country is not allowed to return.
Gazans are excellent recyclers, reusers, repairers, and fabricators, with very little new material available to them. There are also many educated people there.
The Palestinians are incredibly hard-working. They have survived over a hundred years of racist settler-colonialism and apartheid in their homeland, and those in the diaspora have made good afaoted to life in far-flung nations while still sustaining tbeir faith, loyalty and culture and commonly acting in solidaity with their people on the frontlines. Israelis are by contrast subsidized by 98% gentile tax dollars from us in the US, money that is returned to the armaments industry here as paymebt for weaponry to use against Palestinians. Israel would collapse in no time were it not sustained by our tax dollars in return for spearheading US corporate interests in spying on and giving critical assistance to corrupt puppet governments that collude in the exploitation of the cheap labor and raw materials of emerging nations.
Dr. Barghouti and Dr. Bennis made very good points. Good discussion
Yes,,, only discussions are good... And that's it... Let discuss it for another 2000 years
No acceptable in common sense.
The British gave the whole Palestine to Israel illegally and now the British is proposing to give half of the Palestine land back to the Palestinian. WTF is in your mind.
Give those British land to the Israeli and let them reside peacefully as a British citizen.
Stupid question get the stupid answer.
Very true speak mustafa.
Insha Allah we will win 🏆
sickens me when some take israeli side and just wont listen to the truth ive tried to inform them but then thi get called antisemitic because they have the. media in their pockets sending all good wishes to palestinians ❤
Its racist to say the Jewish people have the media in there pocket. That is literally what the nazi's said. Not al Jazeera, not bbc, but everyone is allowed to have a opinion that differs.
THE ISRAEL ALREADY DID THAT SINCE 2005 BUT HAMAS BROKE THAT DEAL SINCE OCT 7. NO ONE WOULD TRUST HAMAS REGIME ANYMORE.
I shouldnt worry .. the UN is 95% for Palestine this can only end one way.
@@markhill3858 the majority of the league of nations condemned Japan for there aggressive actions. And nothing happened. I'm not say this is a parable, but it has to be said that Iran, hezbollah, and Jordan won't come to the defense of the territories with Palestinians in them, so if hamas is willing to fight pretty much Vietnam in a city, alot of people with suffer before the end.
@@lionofduty9804 Oh it happened :) just took a year or two to get rolling.
Illegal settlements all over west bank is the biggest hurdle for a two state solution. Israel built these deliberately to close that option forever.
I suppose making the settlers palestinian citizens is an interesting idea
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Yes definitely the Arab countries should make this happen the Palestinians need their own independent state with no Israeli interference
no way only one state that is only Palestine
Palistine need back to meddle east not Israel
@@riorosaaustria9158 Israel should be establish in Germany or American not to occupy Palestine because jews were massacre by Germany
there are millions of Palestinians who need to return to their homes and farms. from jerusalem to north gaza. all land south of the line is the Palestinian state and the settlers must move .
Majority of settlers are Arab Muslim and some foreigners
How about United States of Palestine?
Yes, where?
Since US backs up Israel. Biden should give Israelis some districts to create a state there.
@@eusunt123 three choices: River, Sea, land?
Clearly, a one state solution with the Jewish community as the immigrants sounds reasonable at this point. Israel have shown they are not good stewards of that land.
and horrible at governing.
What about the right of return for those palestinians and thier decents expelled since the early 1900s
Great discussion. The only way forward to have a two state solution, side by side in peace and prosperity.
Palestinian citizens have the right to live in a country which will be free from all illegal settlements of Israel. Two or one state solutions any one of this must be implemented for human issue immediately
Problem is all these stances from Spain and Belgium mean nothing without UK and American support and action. They're the only two countries that can push for a two states
Real negtiations for a two state solution were brokered over the last 40 years, but were not accepted by Palestinian leaders.
Dats a lie. Outline whenever a state was offered (Control of its own borders, full autonomy, Army, Airforce, Navy and clearly defined borders) When was this offered?
Too many actors don’t want a two state solution. So no matter if it is the best option it’s highly unlikely to happen without real change
Who are these actors, UN vote shows very high % want 2 state
The Palestinians lost the war in 1948 and on 1967. They need to come to term with their loss and understand that Israel owns the land.
This is an issue that needs to be resolved through dialogue, understanding and peaceful negotiations. We hope that all conflicts will be resolved peacefully so that all people can live in peace and tranquillity.
There are no issues... The land has been conquered and won... Palestine was an invention of Roman Empire...
I don't think Israel will give up land they holding. They probably planned to take North Gaza and Gaza before USA block that idea as well.
Let's wait and see, if Israel start to move Palestinian south again. USA might not able to convince Israel to not take North Gaza and Gaza.
Even Hamas accepted the 1967 borders. The Israelis would not remove their illegal colonies from the West Bank.
This below is actually the main obstacle to any kind of resolution trough dialogue.
Genesis 15:18-21
On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram and said, “To your descendants I give this land, from the Wadi of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates- the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites.”
Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité for palestine
its impossible with the occupier currupted minds still looming around the world
I saw a video of a 8th year old boy in a Gaza Hospital whose parents were killed in a israeli air strike and who lost both his legs as they were amputated. The hospital is existing on diesel generators as the occupiers shut down the electricity.
We are living in very dark times.
Would the United States give back the land to the Indians? The longer time has elapsed, the time will fade for a two state solution.
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same with Arabs.. Arabs should vacate entire Northern Africa and Northern Middle East.. and Turks should go back to Central Asia were they come from
Fighting for freedom, equality and justice is not terrorism at all free Palestine 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
A very interesting discussion.
1949 to 2023 Israel took 78% of the land
Yes possible that Israel go back to the 1947 UN plan and make sure take the settlers' most inhuman creatures.
Phyllis Bennis should be on Al Jazeera daily. Her take on adjusting US opinion is the best going.
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FREE FREE PALESTINE!!
There should be a U.N military to police the border in both side to monitor the 2 State solution. This is the best way to establish peace.
They did in 82 at the Lebanon border and Israel commited over a 1000 violations.
2 state. Everything split in half, alqsa should be shared too.
Or we can call it ISRATINE or PALERAEL. One state, each person of different relgion appointed president every 4 year. No ethnic relgious discrmination. 20 year jail term for preaching relgious hate and discrimination.
What, like Bosnia?
at one point palestinian was offered half the land and recognition, but they violently rejected it (israeli agreed to it) and originally they had the chance of 80% of the land but they genocidally rejected it (israeli accepted to this agreement)
The problem of jewish nation started with racist Europeans who tried to eliminate the jewish nation but were unsuccessful ( this is historical fact ) because islamic countries were willing to accept them, including palestinian land in palestinian land, the UK gave palestinian land to the israeli state... this is where this tragedy began.( Remember that those received jewish runs from Europe were Turkeye, Iran, Africa and Middle eastern countries)
islamic nation didnt accepted them
it was british land
@@MadaraUchiha-qq6op Hahaha ha ha You are right !!! DAMM UK....!!!
If much of their lands given may be its possible, but Israel policy do not want this. They already occupied much of new land settled with their control, and want Palestinian against them to move away from Palestine and as refugees outside. Now Part of Gaza already destroyed is part of their plans.
THE ISRAEL ALREADY DID THAT SINCE 2005 BUT HAMAS BROKE THAT DEAL SINCE OCT 7. NO ONE WOULD TRUST HAMAS REGIME ANYMORE. THAT HAS BEEN OFFERED BY ISRAEL MANY TIMES BUT ARROGANT PALESTINIANS REJECTED IT SEVERAL TIMES. ALSO BOTH BIBLE AND QURAN CLEARLY STATED THE LAND BELONGS TO ISRAEL. KNOW REAL HISTORY, OKAY
After acceptance of 1967 solution, Israel should apologize for the occupation of Palestine land. Otherwise, the problem goes on.
This is our land,we decide (Palestinians) how to partition of land to give Israel.Nobody can involve.
I have a ideea, Gazans need to start to make some houses in their land, some facilities like to bring water (maybe in that tunnels), to start to work (they don’t know what means this word) , and after, they can start to create a State for them .. 😀 Maybe in 100 years; they will succed.
Now they only know to dig, we didn’t see them to know something about create something .. 😂
You’re not going to win by military means. How many of your people died compared to Israelis? 10x? Or 11x?
Two state solution. It's a shame people cannot live side by side in peace. All people should be treated with dignity.
Yes, Palestine should be a free state with all its areas decided for each state. There should not be any occupation by Israel. Palestinians should be given their land back with their own government, defence, water, air, electricity, everything of their own, and NO control of Israel should be on Palestinians. A free Palestine state is MUST because we saw how unjust Israel is and Israel does not hesitate to kill so many civilians.....
The Jews may think themselves as chosen people. However, they have to live on this Lonely Planet called earth. No people in the world can live in isolation, especially the Jews. Therefore, Israel will have to dismantle it's apartheid system and move towards One State where Jews and Palestinians will have to co-exist.
so you want to give the nazis their land back as it is the same situation to palestinians. palestinians lost their land when they openly declared they be committing genocide of jews over the last 100 or so years (and lost)
@@shaunwilson3059 Please do some study and find out whose cause is just. Name calling does not make you understand. Apartheid system is against International Law. The world must try to enforce the International Humanitarian Laws in earnest . Otherwise, someday, we may head towards a grave humanitarian tragedy in the region.
Stop genocide of Palestinians continued since 1948😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
Israel has played with this two-state concept for many decades. It should be one-state giving Palestinians equal rights.
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The UN needs to step up and start a fund so the ARAB states have a place to send money to so Palestine can rebuild.
What about the people who did the destruction paying? Crazy idea right?
@@odis.x you cannot bill a state that wont exist long enough to pay it
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@@markhill3858it existed since many years while 😂 palestine was never a country.
@@YouYou-sm8tf anyways .. its not like the ruling entity is a state :) it ignores international laws, tries to subvert and destroy the UN, infiltrates the democracy of its "allies" .. its not a state its an Outlaw gang, a Lawless region
different rules for different people
no
division got us into this mess
it will not get us out
unity
solidarity
free people
Thank you to the lady for describing an actual move of the invaders (settlers), it seems to have shocked the gentlemen from tel aviv, but it is indeed a reality that these invaders always had fantastical ideas about the property and lives they were taking.
NEED TWO STATES SOLUTION ACCORDING TO BORDER OF 1967.
my heart and pray for Palestinian freedom..may Allah's blessings along with them
As Dr. Mustafa Barghouti and Madam. Filis Benes said, One secular democratic country for all as equals or 2 sovereign states with equal authorities!
could be the only lasting solution. Mediator must be United Nations not USA which is part of the problem!
No one has really pushed for a two state solution and we have the guy who left the UN recently saying politicians laugh at the idea of a two state solution
Arafat agreed to the 1967 borders rather than the original ones that gave Israel less land, dropped reparations for the massive theft from urban Palestine in 1948, was willing to negotiate disarmament, and personally had the green light from almost every Palestinian political party and organization. Even Hamas agreed to it.
Barak's negotiating team flatly refused to remove the illegal settlements and checkpoints within the 1967 borders. Barak had promised Arafat that if he walked away from the table due to the Israeli team refusing to make this concession, he would not blame him. He did so anyway, hoping to save his political career.
"Two state solution" is a euphemism for "Israel must give up land". Why would Israel give up land if it is not under military duress? That's the only way nations give up land. No amount of other form of pressure is going to do it.
I agree .. it must be dissolved. it cannot be reasoned with .. it cannot be stopped .. unless its STOPPED.
We can see that any possibility of an escape route to Jordan has been made impossible as the Palestinians are surrounded by Israeli occupation. The Palestinian map is getting smaller and smaller and have been in the open air prisons for too long. I'm not sure what the resolution is here other than sacking of Netanyahu and placing a Palestinian in the front seat of Parliament. Perhaps we can ask Russia and BRICS to intervene. Germany was a better country under the East Germany Russian rule.
@@HolyOrthodoxChristian As sad as Palestinian genocide is, no one else is going to die for Palestine. And make no mistake, that's what's required to stop it. As I said, military duress is the only way you will convince Israel to part with some of their land and give it to the Palestinians.
@@jamesng7320 As a disapora Australian Ukrainian of the Christian Orthodox faith whose family fled the Holomodor last century I have no problem with Putin. . We have dispersed across the globe marrying and having progeny from every race, religion and continent on this planet. Our children and families are beautiful regardless of their skin colour or faith. We all live here together in harmony with a great community police force. Most Ukrainians like Vlad, Thank you Putin, we all know that Zelensky is a snake with no respect from Ukrainians. As usual, the Allied forces cause conflict and division everywhere they go. They have been doing it for over a century as they bring debauchery and fast foods to the world along with their resource grab and replacing a beautiful culture with their sleaze. Ukrainian President is a Zionist Israeli, a pathetic former comedian and a puppet for the elite. As he continues to beg for more weapons, the soldiers are not only dying of starvation in the trenches, they are not being paid for being human shields in a proxy war for the west.
@@jamesng7320 World Wide Capitalism and Fascism, under the guise of Democracy, Socialism, Communism, Zionism, Religion, and any other man made economy plan, "Journey through time" project, is the The Saudis Arabian 2030 transformation agenda with 15 Mega projects and transformation away from fossil fuels with a 500 billion dollar investment by Saudi Arabia to diversify the economy, create jobs , plans for a leading hub of trade and tourism in the world and master plan led by crown prince Mohammed, with 14 of the worlds top Hotel brands going ahead with world class international holiday destinations for tourism etc. Ive noticed Jobs are available.
HC has been deceitful and may have been an obstacle in reaching an agreement resolving the conflict. US voted not in favour of her did not resolve as alternatives were as indecisive as others and now we're stuck with Biden. I recall someone pointed out that this is what US has been reduced to?
Seeing that map I believe 2 state solutions is no longer possible.. one equal state would've been the better idea .. but coming from Nigeria that is half Christian and half Muslim.. I think it's going to be another bad idea.. mostly if any side shares an extreme ideology.
@hollag_group: Palestinians don't have an extreme ideology .... unless calling for freedom, justice and equality are classifiable as extremism.
Israeli's love Nigeria, top idea
No, and never. It was the land of Palestine and the country of Palestine. Only one state solution is better for long peace. The history tells us that there was peace before Israeli state. And all religions were living peacefully in Palestine. There were no state of Israel in the world before nor it will be.
If one country could be formed for all...what name should that country have if not Israel or Palestine? There is so much rich history in the Middle East that is shared so I wondered if there is a common positive name that could be accepted by Palestinians and Jews and Christians alike...a name you all would be proud of and nurture in your hearts.
I am first for a one state solution which is recognised as Palestine only as it should be and equal rights to all. I highly doubt this will happen so the two state solution with 1967 borders is likely the only viable option. All settlers must leave and yes, they can do this, it is possible.
It’s a problem,
We , the tourist around the world; love to go in holiday in Israel.
Israel is in the top destination travel.
How you believe that u will change our taste? 😂
USA - can they mediate? Review their record. Russia, China, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran Vietnam, Korea, Bosnia, Congo, S Africa, Pakistan, Thailand, Myanmar, Ukraine, Venezuela, Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, Columbia, Haiti, Philippines, Japan, NATO, Hungary, Turkey. (And many more!!)
Also review internal records. Indian nations and reservations. Civil rights and Africans.
There is no such a thing as two equal citizens and this old woman knows it. There is only one option for Palestinians: having their own independent state with COMPLETE self determination. The least thing UN can do is a new division 50/50
THAT HAS BEEN OFFERED BY ISRAEL MANY TIMES BUT ARROGANT PALESTINIANS REJECTED IT SEVERAL TIMES.
that wont last a week. the Occupying state must be dissolved or it will just start all over.
So when neighbouring countries and Palestine starts war after war after war and loose the winer should give back the land to the ones who keep on attacking them. What other country in the whole world have ever did this. Madness
One state for all people
Yes!
Yes, it has to be managed. The current govt is not legitimate. Please do everything you can so the people there are not ignored
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😂 Good joke.
Israel will lose all the tourist, if will accept a Gaza State next to them.
Who want to travel in Israel, if cannot be safe in …
Israel is in a top travel list (State and people )
Those Palestinian who lives in Jardan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt should be allowed to come back Israel and Jews settlers who came from different countries should be removed from Israel
You people forgot easily when jews settlers were removed from Gaza by force by the Israeli Government. What happened next? Palestinians are still attacking Israeli citizens. Israel is worried about its survival and Israel doesn't trust the Palestinians. Trust must be in place before you people can move forward with the two-state thing. Anyway, thumbs up for Barghouti. You should lead the Palestinian people towards the 2-state solution.
One multicultural state...no more Zionism.
Must do two state
Historically in the bible was it not a two state? Judea and isreal? (Could have got the names wrong but close enough) But then again they do like to pick and choose the scripture to suit them. Read the bible, zionism is satanism
I have a ideea, Gazans need to start to make some houses in their land, some facilities like to bring water (maybe in that tunnels), to start to work (they don’t know what means this word) , and after, they can start to create a State for them .. 😀 Maybe in 100 years; they will succed.
Now they only know to dig, we didn’t see them to know something about create something .. 😂
Now it is. Israel has unveiled itself to the world. Palestine will taste freedom. I hope it don't waste it.
Palestinians have been trying everything to destroy Israel since day 1, from the river to the sea, but clearly, God is with Israel. However, I do hope Palestinians can come to accept the reality that Israel is here to stay and start accepting this fact. This would then pave the way for lasting peace, enabling Palestinians to move forward and build a better future for their children.👍
Firstly citizens must enlighten their respective western governments.
It's insane that anyone is even bringing up the 1967 lines and they need to be rescinded. If I'm not mistaken, they earned that territory when 4 nations tried to attack a fledgling nation at once and got all there lands taken. They even gave back the Sinai peninsula to Egypt. If in the 6 days war the 4 attacking islamic nations conquered Israel, would those nations ceded land back to the jews
Stop self policing! No outsider have right to decide who represent Palastine! The only Palastinians can will elect their own represents! No USA, No Israel, No Egypt and none other!