Why Killing Plagueis Made Palpatine Feel Profoundly Lonely and Scared
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Here’s something I noticed. Every time a Sith is wounded in any form they become weakened either physically or mentally while their force ability strengthens or weakened based on how they react to the moment of weakness. Plagues reacted un-sith like and hid himself like a coward, while sidious stood in front of the senate triumphed. Either you fall to ashes or rise from them like a Phoenix, when you tested by the dark side.
Plagues literally was surrounded by the elite and was a senator I'm almost positive of that but for some reason I'm second guessing myself. But eitherway he was always around senators and the elite so not sure what your talking about and the almost 40 people who agreed with you. Makes 0 sense unless I'm reading your comment wrong
@@dominicp9296Plagueis after surviving an assassination attempt by Maladian assassins, he became so paranoid that he feared to sleep and locked himself away from the world. While Palatine did the leg work would lead to him becoming the councilor was done by Palatine alone. Especially after his duel with mace Windu, Palaptine was shredded of his weakness and stood exuding the dark side, and standing before the senate triumphant. Plagues hid after his brush with death, even fearing to sleep to the possible threats, while Palpatine relished in his triumph and rebirth as the emperor.
@@irmuusanaa4227 largely correct, but there's no underestimating how vital Plagueis' wealth and network was to secure Palpatine's position first as senator of Naboo, then a leading figure in the Senate and ultimately Chancellor. While Plagueis definitely became much less of a public figure after the assassination attempt he was still the in control of the Muun banking clan and probably the true power behind what would become the CSI
@@dominicp9296read the novel, everything is in it to have a deeper understanding
Video idea: What if Palpatine left Plagueis alive in the Phantom Menace
Interesting topic because Plagueis didn't have the same ideas for the rule of two that Bane did. I'd love to hear someone more knowledgeable hash this story out.
Interesting idea but this isn’t a what if channel
The only alternative I can imagine is palpatine thinking he killed plagues but he miraculously survived and seeks revenge. Sidious’s hunger for power was too great once he knew he learned everything he could from him keeping him alive wouldn’t make sense.Plagues wanted palpatine to ascend politically while plagues was the invisible hand ruling behind the scenes. Thats what they agreed on but Sidious does not share power
Or what if Plagueis killed Palpatine
He already did that video
Bro lost his best friend 😢
Bro murdered his best friend.
😢 never thought about it like that
lol people goo to far with theories, in another video he mock and laugh plagueis guy show novels saying how palpatine dislike plagueis, then in another video say why palpatine miss and love plagueis.
He didn't exact say he missed and loved him...
@@unkn0wnrge189 love hate
You’re not free, Palpatine. You’re alone.
Video idea: what happens to the lightsaber of a Sith Master once their apprentice kills them?
They're usually kept as a trophy.
If you lose a mentor you’ve had for over 20 years of course you are going to feel lost. Imagine how we felt after our Master Lucas retired and we were given to Master Kennedy
the only thing shes a master of is ruining anything she gets her filthy hands on
The difference is is that we didn't kill Lucas. Palp killed his master before learning all he could. He was impatient. He was powerful but not wise. Plaigus even had a chance to resist but them relented and let it happen.
But thats not why he felt that lost if you actually paid attention lol
Bill Murray looking sith lord
I thought the same damn thing
UNLIMITED COMEDY! *fries Richard Dreyfuss* What about Bob NOW!
Thank you! I thought it was just me. Lol.
Dang. I was coming make the comment and saw this one. Looks like a young Bill Murray.
@@robbro3589 Jedi and Sith living together!
I read Plagueis for the first time this weekend and loved it! Thank you for everything!
I think it is a testament to the writing but I remember feeling pretty sad when Palps killed Plaguis. I know it’s the point but it just felt like Plaguis was so close to figuring out something really interesting that had so much buildup to just flutter away in a sense because palps hadn’t learned.
Any lore about the ISB would be fun to listen too! Thanks for the videos🍻
“Sidious. The dark side of the force is a disease no true Sith would wish to be cured of, my young apprentice ..”
- Darth Plagueis
Great line! That’s such a great book.
Next Holocron idea: Mere moments before revealing himself as Darth Sidious to Anakin Skywalker, Palpatine labeled the Jedi as dogmatic with narrow minded views on the Force but in both Canon and legends, we see Sith Lords being domagtic with the dark side and viewing light side action such as showing mercy to an enemy or even having a lover, as weakness.
This is very intense moment. We can imagine everything. How Sidious felt,what he thought. Storm of feelings and emotions. This is great story. Great holocron. He realized what happened,he was the only Sith. May the Force be with you too
The only person in the entire universe you can be your true self around, bro was sick... Real talk, the rule of 2 was TRASSHHHHHH... These mfs were supposed to duel for the mantle, instead they were itching to catch their Master slippin. Plagueis and Sidious were cowards...
This was pretty much the Rule of 2, Bane wanted the Apprentices to take the Mantle of Master by force of arms but it's implied it varied.
@@aster4jaden not to Bane. It was supposed to be thru combat. There isnt anything more clear. He even states it to Zannah... He's taught her alot of things but in the taking of the mantle there must be combat when the apprentice feels they are stronger than the master. No waiting or plotting or treachery
In the case of Sidious, he originally had no thought or intention to kill Plagueis after he had passed out drunk. Sidious was actually just about to leave and allow his master to continue to sleep. It was the dark side of the force instructing him to seize the opportunity and take the role of “master” for himself.
@@isessogroup I know, sadly for him Sith are going to Sith.
Goes to show how evil and corrupting the DARK SIDE really is! Palpatine had no intention of killing his master until the DARK SIDE tempted him with the prospect of becoming his own master! Yet even Sith can develop bonds and even if the DARK SIDE drives them to act to seize power, the act of killing someone close to you like a mentor can still effect them especially for a DARK SIDE apprentice who hasn't yet been fully consumed by the DARK SIDE!
You could also argue that Palpatine was following the will of the FORCE (the DARK SIDE is just one aspect of it) as again the FORCE turned against Plaguies cause of his attempts to create Life using the Midiclorians caused it to create Anakin in response, so I could see the DARK SIDE using Palpatine as its instrument to end Plaguies! Also the DARK SIDE could feed off of Palpatine's fear to corrupt him further! I like to think of the DARK SIDE as using the SITH and other DARKSIDERs as much as the SITH seek to use the Force for their own ends! I also like to think DARK SIDE users delude themselves into thinking their the one's in control as the idea they have control is laughable as the DARK SIDE corrupts those who are tempted to use it!
The LIGHT SIDE of the force is straight forward, while the DARK SIDE is manipulative in my mind! Palpatine's sense of fear and loss would feed the DARK SIDE!
This is about the big character reveal in the season open alley of the acolyte. At first I was stoked just because it’s about time we finally get to see That amazing characters in live action nearly 20 since his name was given to us. Then after seeing Star Wars Theories reaction of him yelling fuck off for teasing him that way. So now I’m stil happy to finally see him I strongly agree the character should definitely of had more of an introduction like Qimir had when confronting the Jedi in episode 5.
Young Palps looks like my high school algebra teacher.
Video idea: How did the early rule of two sith go about gaining power in politics, the economy etc or basically how did they further the sith grand plan from the moment bane was the last sith alive
Palpatine: "I feel so lonely. I need someone to hold me."
I think that Darth Plagueis still lives in Darth Sidious through Essence Transfer, Leaving Darth Sidious to believe that he is acting under his own free will but doesn’t realize the leach hanging on to his spirit. Darth Plagueis was way too smart not to experiment on himself after having some forms of success from his M-Count manipulations. And if in not mistaking, Darth Tenebrous did research on Essence Transfer and may have done it to Darth Plageuis without him knowing upon his death, Possibly affecting Darth Sidious as well. And the way that Plageuis went out was weird. Darth Sidious saw Plageuis let his guard down when getting hit by the force lightening. All of this would make the statement that Palps used ring even louder when he said that he is all of the Sith. Just a thought 💭
Darth Tenebrous used Bith science to enact a form of essence transfer. According to the novel, Tenebrous used a purpose-designed retrovirus to infiltrate Plagueis' cells and could hijack his apprentice's ability to see the future. And it actually worked to an extent. However, Tenebrous foresaw Plagueis' death, and attempted to leave Plagueis' body, only to find himself back in the cave he died in, tied to his desiccated corpse, doomed to relive his death for eternity.
He made a mistake… The rule of two was created as a means to suppress the craving for power that kept the Sith stagnant… but once the galaxy was won, the next step was immortality… but with Sidious’ craving for power he resulted right back to what the rule of two was trying to prevent. His rule of “one” could never be absolute.
The thumbnail is making me realize young bill Murray would’ve been the perfect actor to play a young palpatine 😂😂
Sidious goes in the space of a few minutes from a moment of supreme triumph to a moment of supreme loss. Leaving him feeling lonely and vulnerable necessitating recruiting a replacement apprentice immediately to prevent the Sith being destroyed with him.
Thought the thumbnail was bill Murray for a second and got excited
Is it me or does young Palpatine looks like Bill Murray
I came literally to type that exact thing 😂
OR…does Bill Murray look like a young Palpatine?
Also Danny Masterton
Great video. I wish we could get content like this in the newer movies/shows.
I think Palpatine felt Anakin’s power for the first time even after he just did not realized it just yet, for he would be that already fly back to Naboo from Trade Federation control ship. Palpatine recalled meeting him after he talk with Dooku about Maul’s reveal and he sensed nothing about him. True his mind might have been more focus on the getting the Padma to call a vote no confidence but he should have felt something about the boy. If he was unable to that would still speak to his powers and gifts in the Force
I knew it, Murray is a sith lord
Somebodys trying to bank on Plagueis's first ever live action appearance 😅
We need a Palpatine show set when he's young.
All I want after watching this is for Dave to give us a Plagueis story on the screen, big or small, animated or live action, just give us Darth Plagueis!!
If only he knew May and Osha was out there for him. True sith masters.
You never know how important someone is until they are no more. What If Qui-Gon Jinn trained Anakin part 3?
In Legends he also said he felt much more powerful after wards in his head and even then acknowledged in his brain how Dooku who was still a mostly lightsider at the time with a few dark side tendencies around TPM Era that Dooku was indeed strong in the force and was worried about revealing himself to him mainly for that reason among smaller ones in The Plagueis Novel and In Labyrinth Of Evil he said how he recognized Jedi Master Dooku note this is the same Palps that got a power boost after taking out Plagueis how Jedi Master Dooku was his equal from the other camp already trained in the jedi arts, a masterful duelist, and a political visionary and he said how he had been working on other potential replacements for his previous apprentice the savage Darth Maul who in reality had been nothing more then a minion like Asajj Ventress And General Grievous while he saw in Jedi Master Dooku the makings of a true accomplice showing that Dooku even as a Jedi was not only more powerful then Maul currently but had a higher potential in the force among others Plagueis also saw Dooku as a insurance apprentice should Sidious fail in a big way while he did not see that with Maul, Sifo Dyas, Nor Qui Gon NOTE IN LEGENDS MAUL WAS NOT THE SON OF TALZIN BUT KYCINA A MUCH LESSER NIGHTSISTER SO HIS POTENTIAL WAS NOT NEARLY AS HIGH AS HIS CANON VERSION WAS PRE CRIPPLING YEAH.
It is pretty well established that Dooku has always been more powerful than Maul. Dooku was the second most powerful Jedi behind Yoda. Not only as a swordsman, but in Force power and abilities. Mace in sheer power might equal Dooku, but not in knowledge or abilities. Dooku was something of a savant with the blade and with an insatiable hunger for knowledge in a way the other Council Members were not. Dooku as Jedi Council Master was already as powerful as Sidious at the time, and considered by Plagueis as the better duelist. Sidious when he became master grew more powerful than Jedi Dooku, but not by much and even then Dooku was still the better swordsman. Darth Tyranus grew measurably more powerful as a Sith but never could quite overcome the power of either of his masters. But, it is noted that as the Dark Side grew in power, so did Dooku during the Clone Wars. It was to a degree that alarmed Sidious. Dooku's frequent duels with powerful Force users only grew his power, and he also studied lost holocrons as well. But, whereas it is true that Dooku had little to fear from the Jedi or Maul, he was never able to overcome Yoda or Sidious in power, though in practice the difference was quite small, as demonstrated on Tatooine, thanks to his incredible mastery with the saber, on a good day Dooku was very capable of defeating Yoda and Sidious.
@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069In Legends it was implied by Yoda, Dooku, And other sources that he had a potential in the force higher then Mace remember Yoda chose Dooku as his one on one apprentice mainly because he sensed Dookus mega high potential being enigmatic even for the great Grandmaster to figure out while he did not show that same interest in any other Jedi for there force potential to train mono e mono not even Windu note the reason he did not take Anakin as a one on one apprentice like he took Dooku was because unlike Dooku Anakin came to the order at a older age and had more emotional baggage then Dooku did due to being a former slave that had heavy connections to his Mother, Qui Gon, And Padme among others if Anakin was brought to the order at a younger age with much less emotional damage then Yoda or Dooku most likely would of took Anakin as there official apprentice one on one maybe even both would train him at the same time yeah.
"Somehow Plagueis Returned..."
It would have made more sense given his extensive study in regards to immortality
Love the videos! One thing I’d love to hear you guys discuss is a story about Rex or another badass clone
I don’t think he was lonely and scared at all, in the book he basically stated he didn’t need him anymore and he learned all he needed. How it would be confusing to who in charge and how all sidious ideas he made plagues feel like it was his. Then he goes on to state he has maul to do the dirty work.
I always knew Bill Murray was Sith
Palpatine was feeling slightly melancholy he had just killed the only being he saw as an equal. And he knew he would never have an equal as an ally again. And maul had just died and he felt that loss as well
I want a long form lore vid on the rakata and the vong respectivly
Whoa, so Palpatine had already taken in Maul as an apprentice while Plagueis is still alive? And all three were on Coruscant? That's gutsy. The fact that Plagueis died so recent to the Phantom Menace makes me wonder on how much Palpatine's plans to use the Trade Federation on Naboo, commissioning the Clone Army and destroying the Jedi at the opportune moment was truly his, and not Darth Plagueis's.
🎼 One is the Loneliest Number that you’ll ever do 🎶
🎼 Two is as bad as one 🎵
🎼 It’s the loneliest number as the number one 🎶
All newly minted Sith Masters feel that way. Par for the course.
Bro Palpatine looks like young Bill Murray in that thumbnail. 😭😭
Sidious showing emotion is already a crazy thought
He killed him like a coward with no honor
Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
I never knew that. Good to hear.
This is probably a random idea, but I'd love to see a video about vibroblades, either about the different types, how they function, or both. As much as I see videos about blasters and lightsabers, I don't see much discussion surrounding vibroblades.
the thumbnail Palpatine looks like the kid from Gummo
Aww… poor palpy poops😔
You should do “How Ben Skywalker grew so powerful so quickly”.
He went form being weaker than a Youngling (according to his father) at the start of LOTF to becoming a high level Jedi Knight by the end of LOTF.
Lonely, I'm Mr lonely, I have nobody, to call my own Aaaaaa. I'm Mr. Lonely........ Wait. PAUSE!
If Qui-Gon had survived he would have pinned down Sidious very quickly.
Fascinating how this character is so pivotal in the lore.
Had he stuck around there would arguably have been no Clone Wars, no Vader...
But more content for us.
This reminds me of what Luke said in Dark Empire: "You are alone, even in your greatest moments of triumph."
Informative 😁
I had no idea that the powerful presence he felt was Qui Gonn but it makes perfect sense! Thanks for telling us!
Never thought about it like that 😢
Video Idea: What about Other lesser known concepts in Star Wars like the father of shadows and supreme maker?
So, why did Palpatine feel Maul die...when he certainly didn't? Obviously, it's partly ret-con powers; Maul DID die, until it was plot-convenient that he miraculously survived, but then what did Sidious feel, and why? Anakin was a much bigger power, but the Emperor needed to go all the way to Mustafar to confirm whether he was gone, and he should have had a much more solid connection to Vader's essence, if you will.
Unrelated, but I do have a curiosity, regarding the Acolyte. Do you believe Disney will "keep" the qualities of Darth Plagueis? At this point, his only "canon" material is a reference in RotS. He wasn't visually in PM, so nothing official says he was a Muun, now, or other details about him, and his relationship with Sidious. Plagueis is a very popular book, but Disney has already basically said they'll change whatever, if it might make a better story, and one reason they burned the EU, and swapped it with the Sequel Trilogy, was so needs like us wouldn't go into the theater already knowing all the plot hooks, and details, of their newer films. Honestly, the big reason I originally wanted to watch the Acolyte, before electing not to, was to try and keep an eye out for a random Muun, or even Bith, hoping this Sith-focused story would flesh out those Sith, but since we don't "officially" know now who "Darth Plagueis" was, or if he even existed, they could totally rewrite his backstory, his species, the time of his demise, and more. I'd like to think they wouldn't; it would REALLY piss a lot of fans off, but we seem to be in a time, now, where their answer to fan complaints is to double down, and say "well if THAT annoyed you, hold my blue milk, and check THIS out!"; see Rings of Power.
Do you think Darth Plagueis will mostly survive as we know him, or will Disney "remake" him for our hypothetical entertainment, and their own agenda?
Well, the episode answered that question. He is a Muun.
Character in star wars: *does something*
RUclips uploaders: Makes up how it affects the character and put it in a video with clickbait title.
The galaxy is like konosuba. Dumbasses to exploit. Palpatine had more than enough time, but was cautious. He realized Plagueis was too distracted with research or lost his way of the dark side. Becoming disgusted Palpatine did the right thing.
I wonder what Palpetine told emergency services regarding Plagueis' body. Did he tell them that he was playing with a nearby outlet?
I think you should be answering why that thumbnail makes Palpatine look like early 90's Bill Murray.
Loneliness is not for the Sith it is weakness. Power and dominance is enough
Why does a young Palp remind me of the guy who ran the comic book store in Big Bang Theory?😊
This is WAY better than the Acolyte
My guess is b/c he was now the last sith lord and if anything happened to him it would be the end of the rule of two.
I thought his thoughts were, "oh crap, now Im bane..."
Palpatine looks like Bill Murray in the thumbnail.
I know you’ve done tons of great vids on how specific characters were seduced, used, mastered, or abused the dark side. But have you ever done a vid about the dark side itself? Maybe something talking about its origins, deep dive on the nature of it, and/or how it is manipulated?
I thought it was vitiate he felt for a moment
Am I the only one who realizes that in the Ashoka show. Anakin in that entire episode he's holding back against his old apprentice? Like if you look at it Anakin only strikes at her weapon. And not her. Imagine he didnt! That thought gives me chills, please cover what you think he would be like if he didn't hold back in this new version of himself
Where did you get that picture of palpatine from?! You never ceased to amaze me
A deep-seated dread that he too would meet his end it would only be a matter of time. This is the fate of the Dark Lord of the Sith
What if Palpatine didn't really change anything after becoming emperor / or consolidated the CIS / Republic into the empire?
Basically if he didn't start over with every aspect of manufacturing from the height of the clone wars.
You know I wouldn't want to be in the dark side because every time someone goes to the dark side they get horribly disfigured and they get rotted from the inside and is destroys their body I rather stay in the light side because you have a higher chance of being a force ghost and be one with the force
He killed his master too early...I'm surprised he had any feelings or any type of conscious for that matter...
Wow!
Darth Billmurius
Video idea what if Valkorion return during the reign of the empire please
I would love to see a video on what palpatine thought of female sith
Palpatine in the thumbnail looks like Jeremy Alan White im 20 years if he ages badly.
Young Palps is so goofy looking.
Video idea how evil Darth maul actually was?
Do a kyber crystal compilation video.
It wasn't his penthouse it belonged to Plagueis
Could you make another tulak hord video?
It reminds me of demons either metaphorically or literally that Sidious went mad and become the dark Lord of the sith I did not know of his paranoia of his master was he truly dead or not fear and hatred towards the Jedi it all makes scense
He was probably like "Wow I can't belive I did it, I'm finally a true Sith Lord, I can't wait to tell Master Plegu...ohh...right..I killed him...yeah...well that sucks... who am I suposed to talk to about this stuff?
Curious why Palpatine didn't try to poison Obi-Wan?... back then nobody thought Palpatine was a Sith lord, and I think he could have gotten away with it. Did Palpatine try to rid the jedi council of Obi-Wan?.. even if indirectly?.. outside of Darth Maul or Grevious or Dooku...
more lightsaber combat videos please
How about the full life of Revan for a video?
Thumbnail looks kinda like Pippin.
Give us a video about the smartest and dumbest Jedi please
Is there a video about how grand Admiral Thrown thought about the destruction of Alderaan and would he have agreed or been against it?
Crap I did not learn how to bring people back from the dead
What if palpatine looked like bill murray
Grandmaster Luke Skywalker vs Abeloth / Lost tribe of the Sith
Can you do a video of how palpatine about his thoughts about the sith.
Video idea: Why is and does the dark side of the force stronger that the light force. Does it depend midichlorians. Experience or the sith and light individual.
Do devils walk hand in hand through hell and sit on the lava beaches oress lips softly logether and say "i love you" and "i love you"