Excuse you, Master Roshi and Tienshinan didn't fight. The footage you showed was Legendary martial artist Jackie Chun vs Tienshinhan. If you're gonna put this much effort into a video at least get the names right, SMH my head.
Rock Lee vs. Gaara was truly an iconic fight. It's a shame that the show did not do more with Rock Lee. Honestly, I feel Rock Lee better embodies one message the show pushed about hard work and dedication and think he could have been the main character. The show could have been called "Leaf Hurricane" or something, which not only sounds cool but could also have different meanings. For example, he is in the Leaf Village, so the title could shoutout where he is from. Leaf Hurricane is a move he does. Also, it could be that people are calling him a leaf hurricane, which would be a fitting name for someone that wears green and can run in a circle so fast that it kind of just looks like the wind is forming a circle like a hurricane does.
My favorite fight of all time has got to be the final battle between naruto and sasuke. Not because of any cool punches or lasers, but because the purpose of the fight is to represent a conversation between what is the better ideal. In fact my favorite part of the fight is when it stops being flashy, when it turns it shambling half kicks, slow uncoordinated punches and headbutts that turn out to be a bad idea. The absolute RAWness of the fight adds so much emphasis that these two people care so much that they keep fighting even if they really shouldn't.
Similarly the final fight of Simon and Anti Spiral in Gurren Lagann where they just resort to throwing hands is one of my favourite fights and scene i will have ever seen.
The Hajime no Ippo anime hasn't covered the amount of the manga's most insane fights after where it left. There are so many fights that completely out scale what was done earlier and even in what other anime/manga achieve.
@@JuicedBoredom It's been 10 years that I am waiting for that fight to be animated. My god one of the best fight I have read in manga. Please Madhouse give it to us.
Hajime no Ippo is the BEST example of proper character development for a battle shonen. Full Metal Alchemist is the perfect dialogue/action ratio. Naruto is a good example of great pacing and places narrative emphasis during battles. Haikyuu is loaded with rhetorics and narrative prowess and CRISPY key-frames. As an avid anime watcher, its about what you enjoy from a show. I can appreciate a show like Prince of Tennis, because even if it lacks polished graphics and fluid animation, I still feel a great impact by the use of key-frames, uplifting narrative, outrageously stunning soundtracks, and a marvelously developed cast of strong players. It forces me to look forward to every match, even the ones lacking emphasis.
This logic doesn't work. Ippo got the best character development and growth for HIS character. Luffy isn't the same as ippo so how can you apply his attributes to someone who's different? That's like saying Aragon has better character development and growth than Walter White, it doesn't compute.
You seem to focus on stakes, but a couple of other aspects that make a fight interesting are rules and limits. Rules can either be a part of the power system at play or in a tournament setting literal rules. Things that the fighters have to work within. Time limits, arbitrary boundaries that confine the fight, elemental weaknesses, basically anything a participant has to aware of. Limits is a character's specific stats, in a way. Like say they can only use an attack/ability so many times without rest, or they have enhanced senses only when their standing still. This is how well they can manage their own endurance, which if known the audience means that as the story goes on, this can build tension watching the hero's resources diminish. Used well, these can turn a fight from a spectacle to speculation.
I fear you did not cook with 'spectacle to speculation' 😭 You're right though. I didn't want to get too repetitive, but I counted that all under the technical aspect. The general concept of working within what's available to you is what I was going for there.
I have a question, why would what you said work? I'm getting the expression that there is an underlying concept here. Maybe make use of varying stakes and varying sources of tension?
@@Mr_B_last What I am trying to get at is how well to characters manage the situation their in with the resources they have. The kind of thing that makes JJBA fights engaging where they utilize the environment their in or tools they find in a moment's notice. Or early Yu Yu Hakusho where Yusuke only has one shot with his energy attack, so he really needs make it count. Thus, the fight is more setting up a scenario where he knows it'll work. Am I making sense?
I don't see how he focused on stakes he actually did the opposite he focused on TENSION specifically the believability of the audience thinking they hero can lose He even gave an example of world ending stakes that he concluded is essentially meaningless
At the end of the day Violence is the supreme authority and thus a good fight will always be Peak fiction. Came for the Ippo stayed for the Rock Lee vs Gaara and was not disappointed. I think Date's arc and fights from Ippo represent everything you talked about here perfectly, would love to see you talk about it in another video.
I think what makes a good fight are stakes, tension, clash of ideals, no random goofy ahh power ups coming in last second, good animation, and the build up. I like the fights that make me question "oh, can win"? Or the ones that get me hyped up. There so many animes that jus have peopling fight to fight jus cus they wanna crash out. But I feel like each fight in any anime should hold a-lot of weight and meaning to the story.
I'm reminded of my argument that Boku No Hero's best fight in the entire story was Deku vs Gentle and La Brava. A fight which not only had interesting stakes and a lot of tension (since all he was fighting for was for them to not reach the schoolgrounds for the festival to not be cancelled; and Gentle wasn't interested at all in actually harming Midoriya), but the fight choreography is some of the best in the manga.
gintoki's fight against takasugi in gintama has to be the best fight ever just because of how emotional it is. especially when the series had been building up for that moment for over 300 episodes
To me the best fight I’ve seen is the first fight between Naruto and Sasuke. The fight has a reason to happen, similar skill between the two, great animation, flashbacks just as entertaining as the fight itself and no plot armor bs. Just perfect✨
Imo sword of the stranger has one of the best end fight scenes ever portrayed, from the buildup, till the fight itself and the climax of it. Edit:easily top 10 in all history
You know, I don't know why I never thought about this before now, but you're right about stakes. People generally don't engage in violence without a very good reason (the ones who do are bad people who usually end up in the ground very young). So if two characters are preparing to beat each other to a pulp it had better be because both of them have something incredibly important on the line.
My favorite fight in anime is gintoki vs takasugi, because not only was it a fight we anticipated for (waited 280+ episodes for this) but we also got a fucking flashback for both that also took the same amount of time waiting for the fight. Also the fight was also an emotional battle that helped takasugi change slowly into a good man after that brutal ass battle and getting taught by gintoki
Why is Tanjiro crossed out? I get that the fights in the mamga were pretty mid but the anime is making them pretty decent (fight-wise, the animation is top tier). I personally don't think they can be used as an example of what not to do. Great video btw, Hajime no Ippo needs to be mainstream again soon.
@@mappplesirrup8473slam dunk is amazing but ippo goes so freakin hard its not even a comparison. Not just the best sports anime but also some of the best anime/manga in general
Shangri-La Frontier is just dudes being dudes, that doing what they love with a passion. Having a vorpal soul is such a "basic" idea, yet it reflects in all the characters so well, it also nods to a very specific gamer mindset that is arguably a lot rarer those days - hey there is a big bad boss here, and you just charge at him regardless of the fact that "you are not meant to do that".
My favorite fight is probably the fistfight from the end of Gurren Lagann's second movie. Every hit just feels so impactful and it really shows how far Simon has come
Hot take: "asspulls" can make good fights even better (for example Gojo v. Sukuna, or Sukuna's gauntlet in Shinjuku) by completely subverting the expectations of the viewer/reader and bringing whole new levels of depth to the previously established fight. I know a lot of people clown on "random powerups" in shonen, but I really love to see them because it makes the actual choreography and direction of a fight so much more interesting.
I think they can be meaningful under the right (very specific) circumstances, but they're done wrong so much more often than not that I didn't want to have to add disclaimers to discuss them.
I like how Kengan Ashura handles asspulls. Basically they never work twice cuz in a tournament, the other fighters are collecting information and you still have another match after this one (example: Cosmo’s universal game plan seems foolproof against Adam, but Akoya almost deconstructed it, and the trailer for next season already spoiled the moment Ohma breaks his perfect strategy)
Frontier! Shangri-La is an excellent example of a show with zero real stakes that still feels compelling and keeps you on the edge of your seat. By being a video game, ‘losing’ shifts from the oh so permanent death to “not progressing in the game”. Which we’re shown through good character writing that it might as well mean the same thing to Sunraku.
Recently read Ajiin. Liked it because of the feeling of a big game of chess between MC and his opponent. Whole arcs felt like long and intense fights. I just couldn't get this thought out of my head throughout the video.(and maybe because I have been translating it for 2 months...)
The SLF fight was literally the fight that I thought of once you mentioned unforgettable fights at the start of the video! I would love a breakdown of why it felt so... raw. Frontier
I think the biggest problem I have with newer battle shonen is the fact I often times don't care too much about the characters. More specifically, I don't dislike the characters, but I don't love them either. I really don't care about Tanjiro, and more often than not I find his two companions more obnoxious than funny. I don't remember any of the characters names from JJK other than Gojo. This isn't meant to be an objective statement saying that makes those shows bad, they just don't do it for me. It may very well be nostalgia goggles, I really don't know. So despite having incredibly beautiful animation, I'll always find every fight in those shows to be worse than something like Luffy vs Usopp.
I like this video: the storytelling voice, the structure, the flow, the pacing, the editing, and the analogies. The no diddy jokes in the beginning almost made me feel like not watching.
frontier such a good fight, a breakdown of it would be awesome, it hits specialy hard when youre someone like me who aways loved MMORPGs and finds bugs in games for fun
Anime fights I love (I cheated a little): The weathermon fight was indeed incredible. I didn't see the anime for it, but Luffy Katakuri gets talked up because it is that good. Gaara vs. Rock Lee and the original Naruto vs. Sasuke just for sheer spectacle of the jutsus they were pulling Honestly the kids versus Dr. Stein in Soul Eater too. Showed us how far the characters had left to go
I also belong to the camp that liked the first Naruto vs Sasuke more (liked the first half as a whole more than the second if we're being honest), and thanks for reminding me about Soul Eater! I didn't think about it at all when making this, but I definitely remember some contenders that deserved a spot in the video
Shangri la frontier manga fight panels for that fight was so beautiful and breathtaking that I have it as my lock screen. And it was just a screenshot. Not even an edited wallpaper. it was beautiful. I'm scared to watch the anime because I'm not sure whether it will make me feel the same way I did reading the manga.
I didn't even feel the same watching it a second time (as a critic) as I did the first. It had such a powerful initial impact that I think you'll be disappointed if you go back (I did think it was great though)
PLEASE explain what you mean regarding Demon Slayer’s fights not being emotionally compelling. Every major fight has high stakes that mean something to each of the characters and the fights always begin by showcasing the clash between the characters ideals. For example, Tanjiro vs. Rui showcases the difference between the two fighters by showing Rui mistreating his sister, while Tanjiro is driven by the need to protect his sister. Then they make that personal to Tanjiro by making Nezuko the target of Rui’s abuse instead. Similarly, Rengoku vs. Akaza begins with Akaza showing his opposing mindset to Rengoku by targeting the weak Tanjiro first. It’s shown to be a battle between accepting or rejecting the weakness that comes with being human. And has a pretty fitting ending for that theme as well. I can’t fathom how you watch Demon Slayer in good faith and come back with the opinion that its fights aren’t emotionally compelling enough. Did we watch the same Demon Slayer? That show gets so much blind hate these days, either because people don’t know anything about what actually makes compelling writing, or just hopping on the hate train out of spite or boredom. I can accept criticism on some of the fights, particularly the way Tanjiro vs. Rui ended, but to make a blanket statement that it’s somehow all bad is just. Insane to me.
What u said is true but i must say that i think fights can also be good if they are just cool fights i mean almost every time when 2 characters are fighting its a fight but also a Clash of ideals or dreams or something and i mean that great but sometimes i just want to watch a fight that have good choreography even if the 2 guys fighting doesn't even know each other sometimes i just want to watch characters fighting huge Godzilla like monster Hmmm i don't know how to put it in words hmm like idk for somepeople good fight can depend on their mood or day i mean not every fight must be a Clash of ideals IT can just be a cool fight at least in my opinion anime is supposed to be fun and its not attack on demon Slayer i just wanted to say some things ye have a great day/night
@@RonaldoDrinkerI agree with both of you, and I was pretty disappointed because I definitely needed more explaining on what was wrong with Demon Slayer fights
High Stakes ≠ Compelling You might wanna rewatch Rengoku V Akaza but this time take off the rose tinted glasses and realize the insane amount of emotional manipulation the author employs to make us “care” about the uninteresting piece of white bread that was introduced and killed off in the same arc for a cheap emotional moment Rengoku was
@bigrodent-kingofRNG9931 I’m confused on if you really read any of my comment or not? Where from what I wrote would you interpret me making the claim that Rengoku vs. Akaza was good because of high stakes? It was good because it had a theme that was closely connected with the themes of Demon Slayer itself, and because every part of the fight served to develop that theme. Rengoku vs. Akaza is about the clash between chasing power and following ideals. Or, alternatively, Demonhood vs. Humanity. Akaza represents the former, and Rengoku the latter. Secondly, what are you classifying as “emotional manipulation?” Yes, of course Demon Slayer tries to make you care about Rengoku. It does so by showing you his beliefs, the kind of person he is, and how he became that way. This technique is called “developing a character” and is generally considered quite helpful in writing a story that is remotely emotionally engaging. There are two ways I can imagine you came up with this take. 1) Rengoku’s character did not appeal to you, nor did the theme that the fight was trying to convey. This is fine, but treating personal preference as objective criticism is not a great look. 2) You watched Demon Slayer first, then looked back on it, perhaps because other people started hating on it, and didn’t have the knowledge about writing to understand why it was good and decided that it must not be. I would advise you to take a huge step back and consider where your opinions are coming from or what actually makes a well developed narrative before making your own conclusion blindly and then treating it as objective.
@@confusedfrog294i accidentally deleted response, all I gotta say now is: I would advise you to take a huge step back and consider where your opinions are coming from or what actually makes a well developed narrative before making your own conclusion blindly and then treating it as objective. Corny asf btw 😭
Another absolutely fire video, Ken-chan! I agree; fights are best when they act as narrative tools to enhance the story. They can be used in a variety of ways, such as clashes of ideals, highlighting the themes, characterisation and all that. I think the ideal fight should also pose the question “how would they win” for the audience to consider. Regarding the good writers bit: I’m absolutely with you on the stakes and tension part. It’s important to have stakes that feel right for the story; human minds are not built to consider the existing world or universe in mind, so tension is important. I think something personal works the best (i.e. passion, revenge, love). That said, I think the work culture in the manga and anime industry makes it very difficult for authors to plan out their stories in advance with the intensive workload, short deadlines and such. Haikyuu and Ippo do a really good job in their battles. I think Haikyuu implements stakes incredibly well, especially in the spring national up to the final game of the manga. We had literally a character state that losing in volleyball isn’t like the world being destroyed, but we’re still incredibly invested in 12 people on a 18m x 9m court. It’s because Furudate did a great job making us attached to the lovable characters and feel their passion for the game. On the note of Haikyuu, I absolutely love how they deal with defeat; it shows that they can still get back and grow from their losses, and it’s something rarely seen in media since a lot of characters don’t have the “room” to lose. Of course, it still had narrative tension, but it’s something I loved a lot. It had me wondering if and how Karasuno will win matches. I think build-up is something very important. It doesn’t have to be a long one, but I like it the best when fights are foreshadowed and serve narrative purpose. Losing and winning should genuinely mean something in the context of the story, and we get to see what the participants are like. That way, we get to cheer on a side we want to win since we’re emotionally attached to one, if not all sides in it. The build-up also allows the story’s themes and fights to work alongside each other; what do the battles say about ideals of characters and themes of the story? It’s an important question to answer for a fight to be unforgettable. Even though it hasn’t been adapted into anime, I think Kagurabachi does a very good job on its fights. Fights are thematically important in the narrative, and I love Hokazono’s use of fights to characterize his characters. His flashbacks are usually very succinct and flows extremely well as manga pages; he is excellent at subtle characterization and knows when to show and when to tell. Losing also has a very real impact the more we get to know the main character and his motivations. Thank you for posting the vid! I really appreciate your in-depth discussions. Your videos are absolutely fire and let me know if there are any ways I can support your youtube channel!
< I absolutely love how they deal with defeat > YES! That aspect of the result being unpredictable just makes the viewing experience so much better, and when combined with legitimately interesting characters, the impact of the battles becomes that incredible feeling that turned us all into fans in the first place. I've been hearing good things about Kagurabachi since the initial wave of memes ended, and have been really meaning to give it a try. It might just be that time now. As for the support, watching and commenting genuinely does help because it tells RUclips that someone else might enjoy the video out there too! (if this was an invitation to pat you down for money though, the Patreon is open at the start of every month😉
@@samuek607 Watched videos similar to this a few actually. By nux, scaperelli. N I think you’ve brought a new perspective with better analogy. Can’t wait for the algorithm to pick this vid up some random day
@@samuek607 Yep, almost lightning in a bottle lot of it hinged on the set up that both of them got beforehand, that's partially the reason too if only mah Boi Lee was used properly afterwars
@@leonardopain first episode was literally naruto mastering the forbidden jutsu (shadow clones) wheres the hardwork on that? even if you just watch the gaara vs rock lee fight you known damn well that was never the theme of the show because rock lee loss that fight
"Frontier" forever pls i started SLF when it was 7 episodes in and the next week i caught up with the manga. the paneling and the art was such that you could feel the tension of what fighting a collosi could look like. really love it also i tend to have a thing for video game/'level up' mangas and manhwas so my love isn't biased🙂
The only thing I care about in a fight is the sense of weight throughout. The actions leading to the fight should have weight, the fight itself should have weight, all the actions taken during the fight should have weight, the results of the fight should have weight. Some people like spectacle, which is fine too, but spectacle without weight is just like... pretty flashing colors. Weight without spectacle can still be incredibly memorable.
We need a Shangri-La Frontier video. The crazy-ass phases they had to get through, the limited, expensive resources that let them stay in the fight and the narrative stakes for each character made the Wethermon fight peak.
I also love that the limited amount of revival really makes it a fight against the clock. Same with the steed. Gotta figure out the win condition before they are defeated. And Sunraku's finishing strike was godlike.
In terms of anime: I think my favorite fight was Jolene vs C-Moon. However, in terms of the most engaging, enjoyable fight animation I have seen... it was between an Orange Stickman and an Imaginary #
i think bleach and naruto truly embody the meaning of a god tier fight, they have themes, character development, emotional connect and payoff for a particular character
When people say that demon Slayer is carried by their animation they are saying everything else about the show is nothing really special; I mean fighting demons is a story that's old as the tale of time, characters development not being at the right time that feel incredibly rushed, or other problems that I've heard from people. Because a good fight is more than just animation it's about what led up to this point what the two characters are feeling in a lot of other stuff
Normally I agree but with demon slayer I just can't bc these fights in the Manga are just so bad, with the anime it really does wonders for what the Manga was missing, realistically demon slayer is carried by animation but that's not really a bad thing
@@hydra_drizz2164 if you're show just has a great animations how am I supposed to get involved with everything else then I have no attachment to the characters or the story so I won't really care at that point it kind of really is a bad thing if it's only carried by its animation
@Keith_Norman imo whatever gets ur ip to sale bc demon slayer before the anime was just making enough to be stable, there is an argument to make abt publicity by realistically it doesnt change the fact that it wasnt really good, it was just mid/average and imo in the Manga industry u gotta stand out if u want any booming success, other than the anime epic fight scenes it doesn't really do anything to stand out which is why it gets the reputation, when u have animation quality like that but have the mid things abt the Manga to support it, it really becomes hard to dodge the allegations bc to an extent they are somewhat true
@@hydra_drizz2164 I'm not going to deny that demon Slayer has had an impact on the community but I'm saying that in general if the animation is the only thing that carries the show then it's not really a good anime and it just proves that this generation nowadays is doomed
Mahito fight in s2 was so GOOD it went on for like 4 episodes but it flowed so well It did not feel like a jjk fight (every fight is like a ep or half) but a more old-school one
Gon vs Pito is my favorite fight in anime. its got the stakes, its got the catharsis, and more importantly its got consequence of action. Gaara vs Rock Lee is second though
I wonder if the change in perception of shonen battle manga is because the general manga readership is changing. I don't have up-to-date statistics, but Shueisha's 2019 figures showed that something like 56% of the readership of Weekly Shonen Jump is 19 or older. We know that Japan's population is generally getting older, with fewer children, so it's likely that this trend towards older readers is only going to intensify. Maybe this is why shonen is gradually becoming less popular - more of the readership is adults and those stories may not resonate as strongly with adults, at least not unless they're retooled and made more mature. This in turn might explain the uptick in darker, more violent series like Chainsaw Man and JJK. Heck, Chainsaw Man even makes SA a major dramatic theme, something that would have been unthinkable in the 90s. They didn't include gender stats, but we also know that in the same year, 10% of V Jump's readership was female, which is a surprisingly high number considering that the magazine isn't targeting them at all. That would also take some cultural weight away from the traditional Shonen stories. You _do_ see an uptick in romance stories in Jump (such as Blue Box), although these are still not the same as the "traditional" romance stories more usually seen in Shoujou magazines. Blue Box is a romcom but is also a sports manga, for instance, and stuff like Komi-san is told from the guy's perspective instead of the girl's, another adaptation to try and get guys to read it. Wow, I didn't expect to write a freakin' essay, but...well, that was surprisingly fun to do. Hopefully this was fun to read and not pretentious :p
My guy, have you read Kagurabachi? I would love to see you dissect the first (two) arc(s) of it, simply because of how fun the villains and the weapons the MC and the villains use are. Its honestly (and i know this word has been overused) peak in terms of paneling and conflict between the MC and the villains. Edit: also Frontier
Haven't seen it yet, but I've heard enough good things lately that it's definitely on the reading list🤝 Unfortunately not likely to get a video though :(
@@samuek607 I think youll change your mind on the not making a video thing once you see how the (major) fights are written. The best thing about the manga is that the MC does have a few Ls under his belts so its not just a W streak like in most modern powerfantasies.
@BajoniGoblin254 my videos take a month to make... The potential audience I could reach with a video like that is unfortunately too small to justify the time investment. This very video is on the topic of fights, but has a massive available demographic and yet still has underperformed terribly relative to expectations, so I don't (for the foreseeable future) intend to make any videos about fights. I still do genuinely plan to read Kagurabachi in my leisure time, but I do not predict it will get a video.
7:50 Imo Demon Slayer has tension for the exact reasons that you have mentioned. Take the fight between Rengoku and Akaza as an example or even Tanjiro vs Gyutaro in Season 2, both fights have built up a certain tension throughout the story and episodes, so that the viewer wants a certain side to win, but is aware of the consequences. And I believe as of now in the anime, I think that both of those fights were extremely tense and you can see that in many reactions on youtube. I must agree that in some fights of Demon Slayer it is not the case for example Muichiro vs the upper 5 or imo the whole of season 3 in Demon Slayer.
Shangri-La Frontier needs a video. I've read the manga, and the biggest thing it imparted upon me was that the creator actually understood gaming and gamers. Not the slurs tho
@@samuek607 NON-GAMER DETECTED. CULLING PROCEDURE INITIATED. but, yeah, it's better without it, it just felt so uncannily familiar that I was expecting someone to drop a slur. Another anime/manga that follows bug exploiters I've been consuming as of recent is Quality Assurance in Another World
True story: I've only seen three episodes of Naruto and bounced off it. Later, somebody sent me an AMV of the Rock Lee vs Gara fight. Never having seen it, I had no dog in that fight, and solely through seeing events unfold, I couldn't help but be sucked in. I've still not seen Naruto but I know that fight was presented to us the audience very well.
Makunouchi Ippo on the thumbnail!? I'm there!! 👏🏾👏🏾
Don't get many chances to talk about Hajime no Ippo, definitely couldn't leave it out here
Finally Rock Lee is also too getting some bit recognition.
I saw Ippo and insta clicked, and then realized what the video was and ended up with a banger video👍. Good experience
Right Hajime No Ippo is criminally underrated
SAME HERE, DOOD!!!😃😎
ippo being mentioned is an easy win internet fella who i havent seen before today
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Man I swear ippo are the smallest and biggest bread at the same time
@@ChristopherWilensky-u6p what.... what does that even mean lmao
@@garfrockbreadtroll *ippo fans mb cause like i swear everyone and theyre has seen ippo but like no one ever mentions it lol i love the series though
@@ChristopherWilensky-u6psame, but man the VA change for ippo's crush left a weird feeling in me, still hope for season 5
Excuse you, Master Roshi and Tienshinan didn't fight. The footage you showed was Legendary martial artist Jackie Chun vs Tienshinhan.
If you're gonna put this much effort into a video at least get the names right, SMH my head.
I'm so sorry! You're completely right on that one, can't believe I made such a basic mistake.
I mean he still said what he meant even though the example was wrong
This jokes is one of my favorite running jokes in the db community 😂
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what joke, i dont get it lol
@@brianharvey2847 the master roshi and Jackie chun being diff people
Rock Lee vs. Gaara was truly an iconic fight. It's a shame that the show did not do more with Rock Lee. Honestly, I feel Rock Lee better embodies one message the show pushed about hard work and dedication and think he could have been the main character. The show could have been called "Leaf Hurricane" or something, which not only sounds cool but could also have different meanings. For example, he is in the Leaf Village, so the title could shoutout where he is from. Leaf Hurricane is a move he does. Also, it could be that people are calling him a leaf hurricane, which would be a fitting name for someone that wears green and can run in a circle so fast that it kind of just looks like the wind is forming a circle like a hurricane does.
Frontier
That fight was gas, nuff said
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My favorite fight of all time has got to be the final battle between naruto and sasuke. Not because of any cool punches or lasers, but because the purpose of the fight is to represent a conversation between what is the better ideal. In fact my favorite part of the fight is when it stops being flashy, when it turns it shambling half kicks, slow uncoordinated punches and headbutts that turn out to be a bad idea. The absolute RAWness of the fight adds so much emphasis that these two people care so much that they keep fighting even if they really shouldn't.
Not to mention that fight was really something else because it felt a bit surreal and it's just so different compare to other shonen fights.
Similarly the final fight of Simon and Anti Spiral in Gurren Lagann where they just resort to throwing hands is one of my favourite fights and scene i will have ever seen.
Naruto fights are so GOOD DAMN
The Hajime no Ippo anime hasn't covered the amount of the manga's most insane fights after where it left. There are so many fights that completely out scale what was done earlier and even in what other anime/manga achieve.
so true man, alf and bison fights are two of my favs in the whole series
Sendo vs Gonzales is an example
Ricardo vs. Wally was legit phenomenal imo, one of the best fights George has done.
Mashiba vs Sawamura brought the grapes out of hiding
@@JuicedBoredom It's been 10 years that I am waiting for that fight to be animated. My god one of the best fight I have read in manga. Please Madhouse give it to us.
Hajime no Ippo is the BEST example of proper character development for a battle shonen. Full Metal Alchemist is the perfect dialogue/action ratio. Naruto is a good example of great pacing and places narrative emphasis during battles. Haikyuu is loaded with rhetorics and narrative prowess and CRISPY key-frames.
As an avid anime watcher, its about what you enjoy from a show. I can appreciate a show like Prince of Tennis, because even if it lacks polished graphics and fluid animation, I still feel a great impact by the use of key-frames, uplifting narrative, outrageously stunning soundtracks, and a marvelously developed cast of strong players. It forces me to look forward to every match, even the ones lacking emphasis.
This logic doesn't work.
Ippo got the best character development and growth for HIS character.
Luffy isn't the same as ippo so how can you apply his attributes to someone who's different?
That's like saying Aragon has better character development and growth than Walter White, it doesn't compute.
You seem to focus on stakes, but a couple of other aspects that make a fight interesting are rules and limits.
Rules can either be a part of the power system at play or in a tournament setting literal rules. Things that the fighters have to work within. Time limits, arbitrary boundaries that confine the fight, elemental weaknesses, basically anything a participant has to aware of.
Limits is a character's specific stats, in a way. Like say they can only use an attack/ability so many times without rest, or they have enhanced senses only when their standing still. This is how well they can manage their own endurance, which if known the audience means that as the story goes on, this can build tension watching the hero's resources diminish.
Used well, these can turn a fight from a spectacle to speculation.
I fear you did not cook with 'spectacle to speculation' 😭
You're right though. I didn't want to get too repetitive, but I counted that all under the technical aspect. The general concept of working within what's available to you is what I was going for there.
@@samuek607 I fear you did not cook with "I fear you did not cook"
I have a question, why would what you said work? I'm getting the expression that there is an underlying concept here. Maybe make use of varying stakes and varying sources of tension?
@@Mr_B_last What I am trying to get at is how well to characters manage the situation their in with the resources they have. The kind of thing that makes JJBA fights engaging where they utilize the environment their in or tools they find in a moment's notice. Or early Yu Yu Hakusho where Yusuke only has one shot with his energy attack, so he really needs make it count. Thus, the fight is more setting up a scenario where he knows it'll work. Am I making sense?
I don't see how he focused on stakes he actually did the opposite he focused on TENSION specifically the believability of the audience thinking they hero can lose
He even gave an example of world ending stakes that he concluded is essentially meaningless
FRONTIER, I love the manga and the anime presented this fight MASTERFULLY.
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Definitely one of the best fights I've seen in a long while
I see ippo I click
Rare Hajime no Ippo love present here😤
Ditto
for me, fighting has always been like having sex
Bro wtf?
@@Azoolotl just think about it
@gradient95 there's no winning, please stop😭
@@gradient95 change your point of view man😭🙏
@@AzoolotlNo no no... Hes right. Sex and violence are two sides of the same coin and falls under a man's primal drives.
The beginning made me want to hear a breakdown of some of my favourite fights in manga and anime. Glad I got to hear one here.
I didn't feel like I covered any in enough depth for it to be meaningful, but I'm glad it was to your liking!
At the end of the day Violence is the supreme authority and thus a good fight will always be Peak fiction.
Came for the Ippo stayed for the Rock Lee vs Gaara and was not disappointed.
I think Date's arc and fights from Ippo represent everything you talked about here perfectly, would love to see you talk about it in another video.
Pretty good breakdown of what makes a fight compelling.
I wish I'd remembered to use that word ;-;
I think what makes a good fight are stakes, tension, clash of ideals, no random goofy ahh power ups coming in last second, good animation, and the build up. I like the fights that make me question "oh, can win"? Or the ones that get me hyped up. There so many animes that jus have peopling fight to fight jus cus they wanna crash out. But I feel like each fight in any anime should hold a-lot of weight and meaning to the story.
You may be exposing yourself right now 👀
@@samuek607 Cause of the gear 5 pfp?
@xanidydexidy no, just because it read like a comment made before watching video
@@samuek607 I mean bro probs just answered the question in the title, good video tho
@@samuek607 I also comment before I watch I quit literally just regurgitated all the info you just said in ur vid 😭
You have summoned every Ippo fan
Was not expecting the homie-erotic talk, but not complaining.
Not not complaining either
As a homiesexual male, I'm afraid it leaks out on occasion 😔
Ippo vs sendou round 2 was the best fight I have ever seen in fiction
The editing is stellar ✨
Thank you 🤝
I'm reminded of my argument that Boku No Hero's best fight in the entire story was Deku vs Gentle and La Brava. A fight which not only had interesting stakes and a lot of tension (since all he was fighting for was for them to not reach the schoolgrounds for the festival to not be cancelled; and Gentle wasn't interested at all in actually harming Midoriya), but the fight choreography is some of the best in the manga.
gintoki's fight against takasugi in gintama has to be the best fight ever just because of how emotional it is. especially when the series had been building up for that moment for over 300 episodes
I like the jojos theme when switching subjects especially the 1st opening theme for "why good fights are important"
Stakes, narrative, world building, motivation and impact. All these elements makes a good fight imo
Animation helps of course
A great fight is meruem vs Isaac netero in hunter x hunter. That fight was mesmerising
What about Ashita No Joe!? The fights in the 2nd season are BRUTAL!! Especially the fight with jose mendoza
FRONTIER, a show I wasn’t gonna look twice at but randomly decided to pickup out of boredom and now I’m craving a second season
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It did not present itself as something that would be so hype
To me the best fight I’ve seen is the first fight between Naruto and Sasuke. The fight has a reason to happen, similar skill between the two, great animation, flashbacks just as entertaining as the fight itself and no plot armor bs. Just perfect✨
Chuunin exams - Sasuke retrieval was the best stretch of fights in Naruto hands down
Animation
The characters using their battle IQ
Not using repeated animation sequences
And most importantly cheography
Imo sword of the stranger has one of the best end fight scenes ever portrayed, from the buildup, till the fight itself and the climax of it.
Edit:easily top 10 in all history
You know, I don't know why I never thought about this before now, but you're right about stakes. People generally don't engage in violence without a very good reason (the ones who do are bad people who usually end up in the ground very young). So if two characters are preparing to beat each other to a pulp it had better be because both of them have something incredibly important on the line.
It takes a lot for someone to resort to violence, and it takes even more to make someone else care about it
My favorite fight in anime is gintoki vs takasugi, because not only was it a fight we anticipated for (waited 280+ episodes for this) but we also got a fucking flashback for both that also took the same amount of time waiting for the fight. Also the fight was also an emotional battle that helped takasugi change slowly into a good man after that brutal ass battle and getting taught by gintoki
Fight good when unpredictable
Its truly masterclass writing when a loss makes perfect sense but at the same time they couldve won and it progresses the character
Why is Tanjiro crossed out? I get that the fights in the mamga were pretty mid but the anime is making them pretty decent (fight-wise, the animation is top tier). I personally don't think they can be used as an example of what not to do.
Great video btw, Hajime no Ippo needs to be mainstream again soon.
Felt like I gave a fair explanation of what my problems were with Demon Slayer. It didn't really check the second box
@@samuek607 fair enough.
It's the opposite really. The fights are peak in the manga and heavy nerfed in anime.
when garnt/gigguk sees a tournament arc "TOOUUURRNNAAAMMEEENNNNTTTT AAARRRCCCCC!!!"
Ippo in my opinion is the sports anime.(its not my fav but it is undeniable that ippo is the absolute best)
slam dunks manga is my choice for best in the medium its so fucking good
@@mappplesirrup8473slam dunk is amazing but ippo goes so freakin hard its not even a comparison. Not just the best sports anime but also some of the best anime/manga in general
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@@CrazyGamer1541nga forgot the comment after "umm"
Shangri-La Frontier is just dudes being dudes, that doing what they love with a passion. Having a vorpal soul is such a "basic" idea, yet it reflects in all the characters so well, it also nods to a very specific gamer mindset that is arguably a lot rarer those days - hey there is a big bad boss here, and you just charge at him regardless of the fact that "you are not meant to do that".
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I think a bunch of people just charge at bosses for fun anyway, but I'll admit that it's only when there aren't real consequences for losing
My favorite fight is probably the fistfight from the end of Gurren Lagann's second movie. Every hit just feels so impactful and it really shows how far Simon has come
I thought that last fight was fan made, the art looks like fan art and i love it!
FAVOURITE FIGHT OF ALL TIME IS EITHER KIMURA (THE GOAT) VS MASHIBA OR GUTS VS ZODD ( ALONGSIDE VASTO VS ULQUIORRA)
Kimora vs Mashiba is probably the most unknown underrated fight of all time. I’ve only read it but damn that shit always has me in tears.
@@demetriusmorris8436check out the movie, it goes hard
Hot take: "asspulls" can make good fights even better (for example Gojo v. Sukuna, or Sukuna's gauntlet in Shinjuku) by completely subverting the expectations of the viewer/reader and bringing whole new levels of depth to the previously established fight. I know a lot of people clown on "random powerups" in shonen, but I really love to see them because it makes the actual choreography and direction of a fight so much more interesting.
ass pulls can work but JJK is the definition of failing upward.
I think they can be meaningful under the right (very specific) circumstances, but they're done wrong so much more often than not that I didn't want to have to add disclaimers to discuss them.
I like how Kengan Ashura handles asspulls. Basically they never work twice cuz in a tournament, the other fighters are collecting information and you still have another match after this one (example: Cosmo’s universal game plan seems foolproof against Adam, but Akoya almost deconstructed it, and the trailer for next season already spoiled the moment Ohma breaks his perfect strategy)
I dont think you guys know what an asspull is.
Frontier!
Shangri-La is an excellent example of a show with zero real stakes that still feels compelling and keeps you on the edge of your seat. By being a video game, ‘losing’ shifts from the oh so permanent death to “not progressing in the game”. Which we’re shown through good character writing that it might as well mean the same thing to Sunraku.
Goku vs piccolo and Rock lee vs Gaara 100%
OG Dragon Ball was some peak fr
Me: see's ippo
Immediately clicks on vid
Also front
actually in rock lee vs Garraa there was a risk of death cuz the axam ppl didnt care if contestants died
The battle between Dio and jojo in part one got me more tensed up than any other anime
Recently read Ajiin. Liked it because of the feeling of a big game of chess between MC and his opponent. Whole arcs felt like long and intense fights. I just couldn't get this thought out of my head throughout the video.(and maybe because I have been translating it for 2 months...)
Hold on, why are you translating Ajin? 👀
@@samuek607 I wanted to start translating manga and asked my sister what to translate)
@onibi3206 when I was studying Japanese, reading raw manga was the most unpleasant experience of my life, so I commend you on your strength🙇
Nah, that "Pause" clip was crazy
The SLF fight was literally the fight that I thought of once you mentioned unforgettable fights at the start of the video! I would love a breakdown of why it felt so... raw.
Frontier
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It was such a refreshing experience, it reminded me of why shounen used to hold my heart in its hands
As always... peak video! Learned a lot from it.
I think the biggest problem I have with newer battle shonen is the fact I often times don't care too much about the characters. More specifically, I don't dislike the characters, but I don't love them either.
I really don't care about Tanjiro, and more often than not I find his two companions more obnoxious than funny. I don't remember any of the characters names from JJK other than Gojo. This isn't meant to be an objective statement saying that makes those shows bad, they just don't do it for me. It may very well be nostalgia goggles, I really don't know.
So despite having incredibly beautiful animation, I'll always find every fight in those shows to be worse than something like Luffy vs Usopp.
I like this video: the storytelling voice, the structure, the flow, the pacing, the editing, and the analogies. The no diddy jokes in the beginning almost made me feel like not watching.
frontier
such a good fight, a breakdown of it would be awesome, it hits specialy hard when youre someone like me who aways loved MMORPGs and finds bugs in games for fun
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Hope I'll get to make that video soon!
Anime fights I love (I cheated a little):
The weathermon fight was indeed incredible.
I didn't see the anime for it, but Luffy Katakuri gets talked up because it is that good.
Gaara vs. Rock Lee and the original Naruto vs. Sasuke just for sheer spectacle of the jutsus they were pulling
Honestly the kids versus Dr. Stein in Soul Eater too. Showed us how far the characters had left to go
I also belong to the camp that liked the first Naruto vs Sasuke more (liked the first half as a whole more than the second if we're being honest), and thanks for reminding me about Soul Eater! I didn't think about it at all when making this, but I definitely remember some contenders that deserved a spot in the video
Shangri la frontier manga fight panels for that fight was so beautiful and breathtaking that I have it as my lock screen. And it was just a screenshot. Not even an edited wallpaper.
it was beautiful. I'm scared to watch the anime because I'm not sure whether it will make me feel the same way I did reading the manga.
I didn't even feel the same watching it a second time (as a critic) as I did the first. It had such a powerful initial impact that I think you'll be disappointed if you go back
(I did think it was great though)
FRONTIER LETS GO BABY such a good anime
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PLEASE explain what you mean regarding Demon Slayer’s fights not being emotionally compelling. Every major fight has high stakes that mean something to each of the characters and the fights always begin by showcasing the clash between the characters ideals.
For example, Tanjiro vs. Rui showcases the difference between the two fighters by showing Rui mistreating his sister, while Tanjiro is driven by the need to protect his sister. Then they make that personal to Tanjiro by making Nezuko the target of Rui’s abuse instead.
Similarly, Rengoku vs. Akaza begins with Akaza showing his opposing mindset to Rengoku by targeting the weak Tanjiro first. It’s shown to be a battle between accepting or rejecting the weakness that comes with being human. And has a pretty fitting ending for that theme as well.
I can’t fathom how you watch Demon Slayer in good faith and come back with the opinion that its fights aren’t emotionally compelling enough. Did we watch the same Demon Slayer?
That show gets so much blind hate these days, either because people don’t know anything about what actually makes compelling writing, or just hopping on the hate train out of spite or boredom. I can accept criticism on some of the fights, particularly the way Tanjiro vs. Rui ended, but to make a blanket statement that it’s somehow all bad is just. Insane to me.
What u said is true but i must say that i think fights can also be good if they are just cool fights i mean almost every time when 2 characters are fighting its a fight but also a Clash of ideals or dreams or something and i mean that great but sometimes i just want to watch a fight that have good choreography even if the 2 guys fighting doesn't even know each other sometimes i just want to watch characters fighting huge Godzilla like monster
Hmmm i don't know how to put it in words hmm like idk for somepeople good fight can depend on their mood or day i mean not every fight must be a Clash of ideals IT can just be a cool fight at least in my opinion anime is supposed to be fun and its not attack on demon Slayer i just wanted to say some things ye have a great day/night
@@RonaldoDrinkerI agree with both of you, and I was pretty disappointed because I definitely needed more explaining on what was wrong with Demon Slayer fights
High Stakes ≠ Compelling
You might wanna rewatch Rengoku V Akaza but this time take off the rose tinted glasses and realize the insane amount of emotional manipulation the author employs to make us “care” about the uninteresting piece of white bread that was introduced and killed off in the same arc for a cheap emotional moment Rengoku was
@bigrodent-kingofRNG9931 I’m confused on if you really read any of my comment or not? Where from what I wrote would you interpret me making the claim that Rengoku vs. Akaza was good because of high stakes?
It was good because it had a theme that was closely connected with the themes of Demon Slayer itself, and because every part of the fight served to develop that theme.
Rengoku vs. Akaza is about the clash between chasing power and following ideals. Or, alternatively, Demonhood vs. Humanity. Akaza represents the former, and Rengoku the latter.
Secondly, what are you classifying as “emotional manipulation?” Yes, of course Demon Slayer tries to make you care about Rengoku. It does so by showing you his beliefs, the kind of person he is, and how he became that way. This technique is called “developing a character” and is generally considered quite helpful in writing a story that is remotely emotionally engaging.
There are two ways I can imagine you came up with this take. 1) Rengoku’s character did not appeal to you, nor did the theme that the fight was trying to convey. This is fine, but treating personal preference as objective criticism is not a great look. 2) You watched Demon Slayer first, then looked back on it, perhaps because other people started hating on it, and didn’t have the knowledge about writing to understand why it was good and decided that it must not be. I would advise you to take a huge step back and consider where your opinions are coming from or what actually makes a well developed narrative before making your own conclusion blindly and then treating it as objective.
@@confusedfrog294i accidentally deleted response, all I gotta say now is: I would advise you to take a huge step back and consider where your opinions are coming from or what actually makes a well developed narrative before making your own conclusion blindly and then treating it as objective. Corny asf btw 😭
Man open RUclips
Man see ippo
Man click video
Another absolutely fire video, Ken-chan! I agree; fights are best when they act as narrative tools to enhance the story. They can be used in a variety of ways, such as clashes of ideals, highlighting the themes, characterisation and all that. I think the ideal fight should also pose the question “how would they win” for the audience to consider.
Regarding the good writers bit: I’m absolutely with you on the stakes and tension part. It’s important to have stakes that feel right for the story; human minds are not built to consider the existing world or universe in mind, so tension is important. I think something personal works the best (i.e. passion, revenge, love). That said, I think the work culture in the manga and anime industry makes it very difficult for authors to plan out their stories in advance with the intensive workload, short deadlines and such.
Haikyuu and Ippo do a really good job in their battles. I think Haikyuu implements stakes incredibly well, especially in the spring national up to the final game of the manga. We had literally a character state that losing in volleyball isn’t like the world being destroyed, but we’re still incredibly invested in 12 people on a 18m x 9m court. It’s because Furudate did a great job making us attached to the lovable characters and feel their passion for the game.
On the note of Haikyuu, I absolutely love how they deal with defeat; it shows that they can still get back and grow from their losses, and it’s something rarely seen in media since a lot of characters don’t have the “room” to lose. Of course, it still had narrative tension, but it’s something I loved a lot. It had me wondering if and how Karasuno will win matches.
I think build-up is something very important. It doesn’t have to be a long one, but I like it the best when fights are foreshadowed and serve narrative purpose. Losing and winning should genuinely mean something in the context of the story, and we get to see what the participants are like. That way, we get to cheer on a side we want to win since we’re emotionally attached to one, if not all sides in it. The build-up also allows the story’s themes and fights to work alongside each other; what do the battles say about ideals of characters and themes of the story? It’s an important question to answer for a fight to be unforgettable.
Even though it hasn’t been adapted into anime, I think Kagurabachi does a very good job on its fights. Fights are thematically important in the narrative, and I love Hokazono’s use of fights to characterize his characters. His flashbacks are usually very succinct and flows extremely well as manga pages; he is excellent at subtle characterization and knows when to show and when to tell. Losing also has a very real impact the more we get to know the main character and his motivations.
Thank you for posting the vid! I really appreciate your in-depth discussions. Your videos are absolutely fire and let me know if there are any ways I can support your youtube channel!
< I absolutely love how they deal with defeat >
YES! That aspect of the result being unpredictable just makes the viewing experience so much better, and when combined with legitimately interesting characters, the impact of the battles becomes that incredible feeling that turned us all into fans in the first place.
I've been hearing good things about Kagurabachi since the initial wave of memes ended, and have been really meaning to give it a try. It might just be that time now.
As for the support, watching and commenting genuinely does help because it tells RUclips that someone else might enjoy the video out there too!
(if this was an invitation to pat you down for money though, the Patreon is open at the start of every month😉
I’ll always comment. Didn’t expect this video to be so gas
So you planned on skipping this PEAK? 😭
@@samuek607 Watched videos similar to this a few actually. By nux, scaperelli. N I think you’ve brought a new perspective with better analogy. Can’t wait for the algorithm to pick this vid up some random day
Won’t make this mistake again also. My glaze comment was deleted. But it basically says ur vid was good
Made me remember that Chrollo vs Hisoka at Heavens Arena is still not animated. Hopefully one day but still happy it exists.
I had forgotten how Naruto peaked with the Rock Lee V Gara fight
Then was all downhill from then on
It wasn't until I went over it again that I realised just how peak it was. They don't make them like that anymore
@@samuek607 Yep, almost lightning in a bottle
lot of it hinged on the set up that both of them got beforehand, that's partially the reason too
if only mah Boi Lee was used properly afterwars
youre one of those people who watch rock lee vs gaara once and thought hardwork beats talent was the theme of the anime
@@Kazriel7 It was, early on.
Then it stopped and became the complete opposite
@@leonardopain first episode was literally naruto mastering the forbidden jutsu (shadow clones) wheres the hardwork on that? even if you just watch the gaara vs rock lee fight you known damn well that was never the theme of the show because rock lee loss that fight
"Frontier" forever pls
i started SLF when it was 7 episodes in and the next week i caught up with the manga. the paneling and the art was such that you could feel the tension of what fighting a collosi could look like. really love it
also i tend to have a thing for video game/'level up' mangas and manhwas so my love isn't biased🙂
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The only thing I care about in a fight is the sense of weight throughout.
The actions leading to the fight should have weight, the fight itself should have weight, all the actions taken during the fight should have weight, the results of the fight should have weight.
Some people like spectacle, which is fine too, but spectacle without weight is just like... pretty flashing colors. Weight without spectacle can still be incredibly memorable.
We need a Shangri-La Frontier video. The crazy-ass phases they had to get through, the limited, expensive resources that let them stay in the fight and the narrative stakes for each character made the Wethermon fight peak.
I also love that the limited amount of revival really makes it a fight against the clock. Same with the steed. Gotta figure out the win condition before they are defeated. And Sunraku's finishing strike was godlike.
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Masterclass in using a setting to enhance a fight
Skeleton jpg man, please keep the awesome content, I'm glad to be your need subscriber
May your chest be always full of bamboo
In terms of anime: I think my favorite fight was Jolene vs C-Moon.
However, in terms of the most engaging, enjoyable fight animation I have seen...
it was between an Orange Stickman and an Imaginary #
Instant subscribe. Very well put together video🤝
FRONTIER, peak video
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Appreciate you watching!
Holy fuck i love the matrix sprinter animation!
Anyone know what the anime at 3:11 is, it’s a chase scene and the animation looks sick
The avatar vs firelord Ozai fight might be the best animated fight
FRONTIER!!! Can't wait for further seasons the manga is so damn good.
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Ranking of Kings is soooo good!
When Kagurabachi gets animated, the fights will be amazing. There's an awesome one within first 8 chapters
i think bleach and naruto truly embody the meaning of a god tier fight, they have themes, character development, emotional connect and payoff for a particular character
Completely agree, with naruto having better choreography and bleach having better hype moments
When people say that demon Slayer is carried by their animation they are saying everything else about the show is nothing really special; I mean fighting demons is a story that's old as the tale of time, characters development not being at the right time that feel incredibly rushed, or other problems that I've heard from people. Because a good fight is more than just animation it's about what led up to this point what the two characters are feeling in a lot of other stuff
Normally I agree but with demon slayer I just can't bc these fights in the Manga are just so bad, with the anime it really does wonders for what the Manga was missing, realistically demon slayer is carried by animation but that's not really a bad thing
@@hydra_drizz2164 if you're show just has a great animations how am I supposed to get involved with everything else then I have no attachment to the characters or the story so I won't really care at that point it kind of really is a bad thing if it's only carried by its animation
@Keith_Norman imo whatever gets ur ip to sale bc demon slayer before the anime was just making enough to be stable, there is an argument to make abt publicity by realistically it doesnt change the fact that it wasnt really good, it was just mid/average and imo in the Manga industry u gotta stand out if u want any booming success, other than the anime epic fight scenes it doesn't really do anything to stand out which is why it gets the reputation, when u have animation quality like that but have the mid things abt the Manga to support it, it really becomes hard to dodge the allegations bc to an extent they are somewhat true
@@hydra_drizz2164 I'm not going to deny that demon Slayer has had an impact on the community but I'm saying that in general if the animation is the only thing that carries the show then it's not really a good anime and it just proves that this generation nowadays is doomed
@Keith_Norman yeah it is carried by animation but that's not saying everything else abt it is bad it's just really mid
Ippo mentioned 🔥
As soon as he made a joke about him and his homi I subscribed
Mahito fight in s2 was so GOOD it went on for like 4 episodes but it flowed so well
It did not feel like a jjk fight (every fight is like a ep or half) but a more old-school one
Frontier. Shangri la frontier has been so damn good. I started reading it immediately after the Weather-emon fight and I regret nothing.
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Gon vs Pito is my favorite fight in anime. its got the stakes, its got the catharsis, and more importantly its got consequence of action. Gaara vs Rock Lee is second though
I wonder if the change in perception of shonen battle manga is because the general manga readership is changing. I don't have up-to-date statistics, but Shueisha's 2019 figures showed that something like 56% of the readership of Weekly Shonen Jump is 19 or older. We know that Japan's population is generally getting older, with fewer children, so it's likely that this trend towards older readers is only going to intensify. Maybe this is why shonen is gradually becoming less popular - more of the readership is adults and those stories may not resonate as strongly with adults, at least not unless they're retooled and made more mature. This in turn might explain the uptick in darker, more violent series like Chainsaw Man and JJK. Heck, Chainsaw Man even makes SA a major dramatic theme, something that would have been unthinkable in the 90s.
They didn't include gender stats, but we also know that in the same year, 10% of V Jump's readership was female, which is a surprisingly high number considering that the magazine isn't targeting them at all. That would also take some cultural weight away from the traditional Shonen stories. You _do_ see an uptick in romance stories in Jump (such as Blue Box), although these are still not the same as the "traditional" romance stories more usually seen in Shoujou magazines. Blue Box is a romcom but is also a sports manga, for instance, and stuff like Komi-san is told from the guy's perspective instead of the girl's, another adaptation to try and get guys to read it.
Wow, I didn't expect to write a freakin' essay, but...well, that was surprisingly fun to do. Hopefully this was fun to read and not pretentious :p
NEED THAT FRONTIER EP FR
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My favorite fights are
Gohan vs cell, Ippo vs Sendo, Ippo vs Jason, SSJ3 Goku vs Kid Buu, and Luffy 2nd gear vs Rob Lucci.
Ippo is top 5 manga/anime of all time
My guy, have you read Kagurabachi? I would love to see you dissect the first (two) arc(s) of it, simply because of how fun the villains and the weapons the MC and the villains use are. Its honestly (and i know this word has been overused) peak in terms of paneling and conflict between the MC and the villains.
Edit: also Frontier
Haven't seen it yet, but I've heard enough good things lately that it's definitely on the reading list🤝
Unfortunately not likely to get a video though :(
@@samuek607 I think youll change your mind on the not making a video thing once you see how the (major) fights are written. The best thing about the manga is that the MC does have a few Ls under his belts so its not just a W streak like in most modern powerfantasies.
@BajoniGoblin254 my videos take a month to make...
The potential audience I could reach with a video like that is unfortunately too small to justify the time investment.
This very video is on the topic of fights, but has a massive available demographic and yet still has underperformed terribly relative to expectations, so I don't (for the foreseeable future) intend to make any videos about fights.
I still do genuinely plan to read Kagurabachi in my leisure time, but I do not predict it will get a video.
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S tier video lemme browse your video catalog rq
7:50 Imo Demon Slayer has tension for the exact reasons that you have mentioned. Take the fight between Rengoku and Akaza as an example or even Tanjiro vs Gyutaro in Season 2, both fights have built up a certain tension throughout the story and episodes, so that the viewer wants a certain side to win, but is aware of the consequences. And I believe as of now in the anime, I think that both of those fights were extremely tense and you can see that in many reactions on youtube. I must agree that in some fights of Demon Slayer it is not the case for example Muichiro vs the upper 5 or imo the whole of season 3 in Demon Slayer.
Depends if they have spikey hair or not
we not gonna talk about the garou reverse jumping from peak punch man? (or jotaro vs dio)
Frontier.
I NEED to see a video on it😫
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Let's find out if it'll get a video!
Shangri-La Frontier needs a video. I've read the manga, and the biggest thing it imparted upon me was that the creator actually understood gaming and gamers. Not the slurs tho
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I think it's a good thing there were no slurs...
@@samuek607 NON-GAMER DETECTED. CULLING PROCEDURE INITIATED.
but, yeah, it's better without it, it just felt so uncannily familiar that I was expecting someone to drop a slur.
Another anime/manga that follows bug exploiters I've been consuming as of recent is Quality Assurance in Another World
00:18 whats that from?
Joobing also known has The worf effect
The intro got me-😂
Frontier, it deserved a video, and has much atention it can get
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True story: I've only seen three episodes of Naruto and bounced off it. Later, somebody sent me an AMV of the Rock Lee vs Gara fight. Never having seen it, I had no dog in that fight, and solely through seeing events unfold, I couldn't help but be sucked in. I've still not seen Naruto but I know that fight was presented to us the audience very well.
Im telling you infinity castle arc/ the demon slayer movie trilogy is finna make it anime of the year 🙏