It's not all fun and games
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- Опубликовано: 14 ноя 2023
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Written Nov 2023: Rope swinging at the fruitbowl as seen in this episode is no longer legal because endangered sheep don't like to make babies when we scream. All the footage in this episode and our other episodes were filmed before that closure was in place.
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A guy on a rope swing at Smith Rock almost killed a friend of mine. Their retrieval line pulled my friend off a ledge when it came taught as the swinger grabbed it while still swinging. I was there when it happened, and in the moment thought I'd witnessed my friend's death. Fortunately, she lived, but was hospitalized with very serious injuries. DON'T DO THIS IF *ANYONE* ELSE IS NEARBY. Fine if you want to risk your own safety, but don't endanger anyone else.
Was your friend on top of the cliff with the other jumpers? Or climbing down below? I'd like to know more about this so I can include this in the accident reports so more jumpers know what can happen. ryan@slackline.com
Can I add a link?: www.traditionalmountaineering.org/Report_Smith_MonkeySwing.htm@@HowNOT2
Rules to live by.
@@xp8969maybe things shouldn't be legal, but until they are made illegal, having more incidents reported, where hospital stays and one way vacations with travel via coffin, are the results, is a good way to FORCE people to think about safety more than they normally would. I mean, unless you're the type that normally sleeps in a coffin, it's generally going to be something you just don't want to have happen... Just saying...
*Edit*
One other thing, is that with incident reports, if they wanted to, they could eventually make graphs dealing with the incidents, to see any patterns in the risks
you should make base jumping at climbing spots illegal too! its way too dangerous!!! also you should make free soloing illegal at climbing spots! its also way too dangerous what if they fall on another climber! actually! they should make climbing illegal at climbing spots!! too many people are dying climbing! @@xp8969
I cant stop watching this guy's eyes.. like
"are you really going to eat that right now."
So distracting hearing him chewing… like dude did no one tell you to not speak with your mouth full
Further to your point about the importance of incident reports, it is also important to have near miss reports. There are probably a lot more near misses than there are incidents, so there are a lot more opportunities to learn. The fact that someone got lucky doesn't mean there isn't a lesson to learn that is just as important as the lessons from the people that didn't get lucky.
Yeah... With a lot of high risk activities, people get lucky all the time. It creates a very dangerous illusion of safety, because the human brain is wired to interpret the lack of a negative result as evidence that everything was okay.
For these types of things where there's a lot of safety-critical steps that need to be taken, I would highly recommend a safety checklist that you run through every time. Don't discount it, surgeons use them before surgeries and they are known to reduce negative outcomes. When you do the same thing over and over it's easy to get complacent and forget a step, e.g. like unclipping the PAS before the jumper jumps.
Surgeons have only recently started using them. The error rate before they did was terrifying.
Space and air travel uses checklists to improve safety as well, as do most professional setups that are dangerous, like oil rigs, deep sea divers, the list goes on. It just makes sense because human memory and focus are insanely faulty and unreliable for many different reasons, but a checklist stays immutable. Even if it#s not perfect, it can prevent the most common mistakes very reliably, given that the checklist is, you know, actually checked off.
@@thomasdalton1508 - however, pilots have used checklists for decades.. Lazy pilots forget - at least one thing... oops. hope it isn't important.
Also, recommend using an actual, physical checklist so you can actually, physically check items off as you do them. That way you have a record of what you have done and what you have yet to do.
Don't underestimate the difficulties of developing an effective checklist. It's a non-trivial process.
Back in 92 when I was in the Marines- SAR training with a Medical unit on Okinawa, led by a Navy Lieutenant
- after a bunch of stretcher lifts on a bridge. Someone mentioned that we would all be sitting ducks on the bridge if attacked. And getting off the bridge down is is where anyone on the lines would have to go. But any above would be a giant target 🎯 to take fire. Lieutenant came up with the combat/slack jump… I’m not sure if it was ever a thing prior to this… But run out both repel lines, 80 feet or so so that you could clear the bottom of the bridge, then pull out another 5 to 6 feet on your second line. THEN SUPERMAN OFF THE BRIDGE!
This was essentially a pendulum swing, if done correctly… I had a bit more gear on than the navy corpsman I was with. Hence my outward momentum less. Resulting in a near vertical drop. I still occasionally feel this back injury…
I don't even rope jump, but I watched this entire video and found it to be fascinating and easy to understand. Great video, Ryan!
Same here.
same. @11:25 made me laugh extra hard because of this
I just watch the videos to fantasize about jumping because I would never actually do it in real life but the information and the format these videos are made are very interesting and informative, and I like that.
I trained as an arborist & was always taught to calculate how much stretch id put on a rope in a fall & take it to a tester to assess of it had lost integrity and thus need to be retired. Rope swinging intentionally sounds terrifying to me! Thanks for the cool vid!
Sharing information is so important. Up here in Canada in the avalanche world we have the mountain status board for public reports and the infoex for private (industry) ones of avalanche and snowpack, and over the years it has helped so many people make good decisions.
We used to have this old Sheriff's Obstacle that had a 40' platform tower with 12' diameter treatedlog as the anchor (effiin bomber or super good enough). The radius always gave me confidence on 1 rope wrapped around it.
I used it tons, had a bunch of fun throwing out feets worth of slack so we could run, jump and slam back into the plywood wall.
One day I decided that I had it locked in enough now that I could sweep the ground, 40' down and successfully use my shock absorbers to stop.
There was one thing I didn't consider, the gap under the wall that the woodchip were covering.
So, I count my pulls of slack out(i had that shit gauged perfectly on all other attempts, I always swung in about 3' off the ground), and then a bit more for the ground sweep. Took my 8 foot run to the edge, jumped out. The slack took and I successfully swept the ground, I prepared for the hot entry and all of the sudden both my legs went under the wall and my shins wedged me, unable to move the rope took it's stretch back and lifted me straight up.
Shredded my shins with permanent soft glossy areas. Took forever to heal and the next ski season sucked for my shins in the boot. Oye
Would trade that moment for nothin!
*Wouldn't trade!
I’ve never been on a high line, a mountain climb, or a rope swing, I live in Florida, but I watch all of your videos 😂
Jenks pls keep the swing content coming. FOR THE PEOPLE
They had a responsible safety plan... 🤣🤣🤣 Lost my shit when you said that hahaha
You're right... Not sure why I watch all of your videos to the end. I will NEVER rope swing. I will NEVER climb. But I find your content fascinating.
Thanks
Learning all the time
I always hide gum from my dad in the car because he chews exactly like Ryan in this video
7:44 Logan moved away from that food breath lol.
lmao
If you YELL Like Soldiers do, its much more intelligible in echoey locations
When I was in Jail no one could understand one another and it was driving me fucking insane because they were constantly like:
What? Huh? Whaat?
So I would scream at full tilt like Soldiers so you could clearly tell what I was saying.
They would Call me a Bird
You Bird
Fucking Birrrd
And I was like:
Do you know what Birds do?
Repeat themselves over and over again, Chirp Chirp you stupid fucks.
But yea, Yell like soldiers.
Clear single words with solid pauses between each word
Single syllable words are best
DO, YOU, HEAR, ME
compared to
CAN, YOU, UNDERSTAND, ME
The word Understand wont come through as clear as the word "Hear"
Single Syllables
MOVE, THE, ROPE, TO, THE, SIDE
Each word as loud as you can, with a clear pause between each word.
Dumb ass cell mates couldn't tell what eachother were saying even just 5 cells apart, but every single person on that floor could understand every single word I through down those halls.
Like Blue Fire from a Dragon there was no where to hide from MA WORRRDS OF TRUTH lawl
I was wondering what Ryan was eating for the duration of the podcast until he gave the answer at 23:05
haha with a flight an hour after the interview... gotta do whatcha gotta do
I have the information at 4:05 I don't know where you got it at 23:05?
21:21 You can use tri-loading quicklinks / carabiners designed for caving (e.g. Petzl Demi rond / Petzl Omni) as well.
You guys are awesome!!
The auburn quarry! My favorite local choss pile!
My ex-wife and her husband had the bright idea to put a rope in a tree to swing out over a dry river bed. She went first because she was the smallest person. They tied the rope on a rotten limb and didn't know it. She broke her back and had to have rods and screws to hold her spine together. Better know what you're doing when you go swinging on a rope.
You can easily tell if a branch is rotten or not if it has leaves on it.
@@abundantharmony I wasn't there so I don't know if the rope broke or the branch. It's been 20 years, I can't remember the details. But I believe the branch broke.
@abundantharmony that's not always the case.
Love your vids bro. I know nothing about climbing or swinging. But i obsessed on how shit works. Def gona get into it eventually! Keep em comin.
NEVER EVER EVER COME WITHIN 6 FEET OF ANY SWINGER ON DECK CLIPPED INTO THE FULCRUM LINE!!!
"you might see rope swinging on the internet and thing that it might look fun" Nop, It looks terrifying!
lol, and always send a deadman - first...
(it tests the retrieval/rescue system - or you lose your bag.)
The habit of inexperienced people sitting down (and smashing the cliff edge) , probably comes from prior experiences - eg. river edge - tree branch rope swings, goihg off the bank into water, or other swings / trapeze - ie, it is usually a (fairly) static setup - ie. some random 2-3 inch mooring rope or 4x4 webbing strap tied up in a tree. There it is normal to preload the rope or it "may" get ripped out of the swinger's hands when the slack takes up (ie non life-risking event - hopefully)...
Slack removal - for beginners might be a good thing to work into the system - it is easier psychologically to leave terra-firma if the system feels like a secure weight transfer, launching into space the first time isn't a normal human thing to do..
Just like tandem parachuting, once you are on the edge there is no going back - fully waivered, etc, the jumper is going off - push throw heave, self jump... get them off that "platform" safely but positively - the rope "yanking them off" isn't bad, possibly terrifying, but they signed up for that....
no worries, I will NEVER go rope swinging. My skin is still crawling from seeing that butt-mounted rigging plate.
Dude, did you see the nipple mounted guy too?
@@jackberdine AARRGGHH MY NIPS! YOU BASTARD
As a rock climber and never having rope swung or highlined (Ive done some slack lining back in college about 3ft off the ground a few timss 🤯)...
This may as well be in Dutch because it's a completely different language to me 🤣 but i love it still. Glad to see you out here crushing it - great guest too!
Thank you for reminding me to eat breakfast
As a beginner sport climber, I didnt understand 80% of this, but it was still interesting.
In one of the spots I do rope swings i coil up the rest of the rope i use (can't use full lenght, same as fruit bowl if you have 80m rope) After we jump, we take out the rest of the rope and just drop it. When it hits the ground both the pendelum and the twisting/spin stops. Works in my spot to mainly counter the twisting/spining. Ones we are geting pulled back up we have a 20m tail. Did this make any sense?
Excellent video today!
My rope swing rigging checklist is getting bigger by the video ✅
is this going to help me become a "rigger"? many people on dating apps looking for one
i like.very good ♫♪♫♪
At 27:58, how much risk are the people hauling at? They are running towards the cliff edge in order to grab back onto the rope. They are also holding a rope that is being pulled over the edge by the weight of the person being hauled - if the protraction fails, are they at risk of being pulled over the edge? None of them are clipped in.
I thought the same thing, but then i remembered bobby saying 6ft distance from ledge should be safe in case you trip a full body distance
ruclips.net/video/uskPB6m6ybU/видео.html
@@itmayki77 6ft might be reasonable when stationary or walking carefully, but when you are running, you can easily fall longer than your body length. Your momentum will carry you forward. You will also instinctively keep running to try and get your legs back under your centre of mass - people often run very long distances after tripping before they actually hit the ground.
agreed, i wouldnt run @@thomasdalton1508
yeah valid concern but our haulers are never closer than 10 or 15 feet from the edge. Also there is a tripod and ropes kinda like a fence in the way
@@loganhenning4850When people are running around, the rope could be more of a trip hazard than a fence. Could you add another pulley to the system to turn the line 90° so everyone is running parallel to the edge rather than towards it?
Backing the not eating into the mic comment plz
I love the rigging parts and love to see how things are set up… still missing how the hail line is setup. And are you using a progress capture of any kind just in case the haulers all fall down or something?
They mention using a protraxion @29:23
@@alexstarr1589 Thank you, I'm an idiot for missing it. (I was also eating oatmeal at the time so I blame Ryan)
@@ivanlawrence2 No worries. But yeah I feel like I could use more visuals of the haul system setup, maybe see the lowering/raising in action. Probably the type of thing best handled with in-person instruction.
check the book! I've got some good pictures and a detailed description:)
So i bungee jump and i decided im ready to step it up. Im going to the rope swing next week and I am anxious/excited because im clueless as to how the drop will feel😂😂😂 big bold jumps are always the smoothest and safest
Could you show us the math on the vector forces please ? From my understanding having a fulcrum point in the middle of a rope would produce and incredible pull force on the anchors. Like seriously exponentially high.
I have had a few falls and many jumps but never with a rope attached. Think I almost prefer it to what I saw in this video.
Ryan can eat oatmeal during an interview all day and I will still watch.
Where did he get those climb pants..???have trouble finding any that fit short people..especially in arborcare..
I was wondering if you could break test old Belay loops
rope swinging no longer allowed here? my heart is broken!! I never got to jump...
The fun part would be the mechanical engineering and safety in rigging the swings than using them myself.
Just wait for one of the interviewees later in the series! He did an awesome job with the engineering
Your horisontal velocity does not change from the point of the jump. If you jump out at 2m/s you will still be moving at 2m/s horisontally all the way down untill the rope catches you. But your vertical velocity increase massivly obviously so in relation to the horisontal velocity you will not feel you are moving as much horisontally as you were when you jumped but you still are.
Had to start over Logan's speech. Too distracted by your f```` muesli bowl or whatever u are eatin.. ^^
Ryan, where did you get your heart ledges t-shirt, I love it and so want one!
I thought the solo highline record was 777m done a few months ago in bend?
I think explaining how not to is a sometimes better than how to
👍
HN2: "Tell us your accidents, it's not like we're going to share your name in the video ... like ... here"
Also HN2: "That's why Ben Osman ...(exed)"
would using a steel pipe with custom fillets and a welded-on round shackle be a good idea?
For what part of the system? Probably way to many variables to be able to make a solid recommendation in a RUclips comment.
to replace the leash rings with a single unit, meant to include a timestamp@@alexstarr1589
haha no idea what you're talking about but if it is easy to use and way strong enough, probably a good idea;)
It’s so fun to see tough death defying rock climbers turning into whiny Karens in the comments, please make more videos while eating. Even a mukbang would be great.
This is how Dan Osman, the fastest free climber in the world, died.
what´s the mbs of a skull compared to a concrete post?
No super good enough
Yes more highlines in missle silos less muckbang plz
A solar powered winch for the haul line would be dope!
totally dope! you'd need a pretty big solar field if that were going to charge fast enough though! Maybe check wakeboarding e-winches?
Why is this guy eating?
Hungry?
4:05
I used to like how not to until I watched this video. He sat there and ate his breakfast during this whole interview and the guys couldn’t look more pissed off about he kept looking at his bowl like I can’t believe he’s eating right now during this. Very unprofessional
The guy in the first video pronated (decorticate posturing) on impact...
Static rope you live, dynamic rope you may survive to have someone wipe your a$$..
Always goe second
I love how you're eating during the interview. Waste no time.
It's interesting i would have watched more if you wouldn't be eating, at least offer the other guy something
?
oof
Dude why eat on camera? The sound is so horrible and ruins an otherwise excellent video
4:05
06:40 🙃 I have self diagnosed misophonia, and hearing you eat and smack food around in your mouth while talking is really som'n else. So gross.
Noooooooo you put your teeth on that spoon when you eat. Unwatchable
informative and cringy
lmao was it cringe because rope swinging is lame or because we're in my living room
Why are you eating during an interview?? At least you can chew with your mouth closed.... but why
4:05
@@Alex_Vir ... fair enough I missed that