As soon as he said the resistance was only concentric I knew what this company was doing. They are using adjustable rotary dampers. In conjunction with recent adjustable shock technology. Basically there’s a hydraulic fluid inside providing resistance, this resistance is varied by changing the size of the passage way, that’s what the dial does. This is also why they can’t put a “lbs” rating on there because hydraulic dampers are relative to pull velocity, similar to a row machine, slower speeds will provide less resistance than higher speeds. Therefore the company can’t make a set in stone claim of a resistance value for a given resistance level.
I can't fully visualise the design yet, so why do you think this wouldn't this allow for eccentric resistance? I thought rotary dampers damped in both directions
@@BlueyMcPhluey they do, but this isn't a 2 force flexure. They're using a cable. A cable can only operate in tension. And the damper can only offer RESISTANCE. It's an opposing force. So on the ecentric motion the cable is being retracted by a spring ratchet, the. On the pill strike the ratchet teeth engage (or clutch or whatever they're using) and provide a tension force, now remember the rotary damper will react to forces provided, so now it will provide resistance. The build would be a rotary damper attached to a one way clutch attached to a spring that reels the spool in attached to a spool with the handle on it. You pull the spool up it engages the clutch and pulls on the damper, this provides resistance. At the top of the stroke the cable can only provide tension so it can't effect the damper on the down stroke, this is where the spring reels in the spool, the clutch is one way so this doesn't affect the damper and now the system is reset at the bottom and ready for another pull.
@@EAGLINWRX ah thanks I think I'm seeing what you're seeing. To be clear, do you mean that on the way up they're resisting both the spring and the damper, but on the way back they're just resisting the spring? If so, then perhaps a solution could be to use a stronger spring? This would be so much easier with diagrams 😅
@@BlueyMcPhluey even if you used a stronger spring it would only be used to retract the line, so it wouldn't be an adjustable resistance. So it would be better to leave it light so you don't discriminate from those less strong
Maybe for elite rowing athletes, that happen travel a lot for business yet have very limited access to concept 2 rowers, that want to get in some sort of training specific to the energy system/ lack of eccentric. Shark tank wouldn’t love that market size
I am a paraplegic and cannot use most gym equipment. The MAXPRO with wall track is AMAZING for me. Strong back, arms, shoulders, and core. It's fantastic for rotator cuff strengthing, too.
Here's an idea I hope someone steals -- instead of using a damper/dashpot like the MaxPro (resistance proportional to speed) or a spring like the AnCore (resistance proportional to distance), let's see if someone can develop a lightweight home or portable cable system using high torque electric motors with electronic controls. You could customize the force curve to overload the eccentric motion, or where the muscle is most stretched. Integrate it with a smart home device so you can say "Hey Google/Siri/Alexa, lighten it 20 lbs for a drop set."
@@MAGAMAN I have exercise bands and used them during the pandemic lock down the gains were minimal. I don't care for variable resistance you get from the bands. With the max pro you get resistance from the start of the movement until the top end.
I bought the max pro 10 days ago. Really liking it so far. Before purchase I was concerned the lack of resistance in the eccentric phase would result in a huge case of buyer’s remorse. It doesn’t bother me at all, so far. In fact. I’ve decided the variety the MP provides by not having resistance in the eccentric phase is a benefit rather than a detractor. It doesn’t mimic or replace bands or cables; it’s just its own thing that provides a different workout than you’d get with bands, cables, or weights. I’ve learned that variety is a pretty big deal for me to be consistent in my workouts. So far, the MP is proving to be a solid option. Design looks and feels sturdy. We’ll see how it holds up after a year of regular workouts. I also really like that I can do half a dozen different movements pretty effectively without having to change handles or positions. Basic movements include deadlift, a modified clean, curls, cable crossovers (underhand grip), front/side shoulder flys, and shoulder press. One of the main advantages has been the ability to hit a bunch of different movements quickly without having to load/unload plates or switch machines. I can get a good resistance workout in fairly quickly. The cable does sometimes get in the way of your motion a bit on some of these lifts. Less than ideal but, for me, the interference isn’t enough to ruin the lift - so, not a big deal so far. Also, adjusting the resistance is very simple, quick, and work well. I agree that it would be better if the resistance indicator was marked I lbs instead of just numbers that don’t seem to correspond to kilos or lbs. Still, not a huge detractor.
Yeah I saw one that was used for 1700. It only has 100lbs or 50lbs each cable. And no way of upgrading it. Cable machines are expensive. Or they use crap pulleys that will wear out quickly. Same for a couple of knock off total gyms. They pulleys and rollers were nylon or plastic that wore out.
@@barakbalestrery4138 back in the day from dick sporting goods I got a power cage it was a Smith machine and had pullys in the front sides that were adjustable in the back had 2 pullys one for lat pull-downs and one for seated rows. You load Olympic weights on it. The rack was $750 weights were separate. It was a solid piece of machine. I would get that machine again once I have space for it. So its possible to get cable station for cheap assuming you have a dedicated station.
I bought a used total gym for $40 and it’s easily the most useful gym equipment I’ve ever bought. Especially with the resistance cable “hack”. I can get around 400lbs of resistance easy
I was 100% thinking of getting one for travel purposes, as soon as he said there was no eccentric portion of it, it became 0%. Once they or if they are able to get eccentric portion I’ll get one.
Saw this on shark tank and came here. No eccentric is a deal breaker for me. Perhaps the most important phase of each movement. For that reason I’m out
Wow this seems awesome. $1300 is a lot and you can buy a lot of equipment with it BUT i now travel for work and months worth of clothing (which is a lot in and of itself) and gym equipment must fit in my car in one trip. I can’t lug around lots of dumbbells etc. Additionally, I stay in small studios or rent out rooms so a small foot print is an absolute key for me. So excited to try. Thanks a lot for the review!
@@Penelope416 Was thinking about those too, but this gives me the option to overhead presses and lat pulldowns. Personally, I think I'll get more out of it, especially leg day-wise, than an adjustable dumbell set. Wouldn't mind it in the future if I had more money to invest in equipment. Thanks for the suggestion!
The device is good. It may not have an eccentric out right slowing your speed on your reps can make up for it. There is still tension there just not as much as you use it to lift it's still some there. It's not the perfect machine but it gets the job done and the machine itself was only $600 when I bought it and use a 50 bench from walmart to do all my bench work. Keep up the great work Coop
First of all thanks for doing this review. I wound up buying the bundle. I am not sure why there seems to be a lot of hate about concentric training in the comments. There is actually a lot of literature out there, including studies, showing that concentric training is actually pretty good. I am also going to link an interview of Pendley, yes the guy who has a row exercise named after him. You'll see he likes concentric and explosive exercise. The part about recovering faster and being able to work out more often is also true. In general for something like a deadlift you don't want to place the bar down, it is best to drop it (if your gym allows it). You skip the eccentric side. The MaxPro allows you to do this at home without dropping anything on the floor. I am not saying that it's better than doing both concentric and eccentric training, but calling the MaxPro useless because because of the concentric only thing, is a bit of a stretch. It's far from useless. I do still own kettlebells so I can actually couple the MaxPro with explosive training and if I want to add eccentric load I can do it with the kettlebells (or my bodyweight). I really love how versatile this is and it's excellent for small spaces. Cables are a fantastic tool and safer than free weights. The fact that you can mount this on a wall or a door or whatever, and you can use it standing or with the bench just lets you do so many exercises, and you don't have to go the gym. Maybe I am just the type of user this is meant for, but you know, you have your bodyweight if you really want to do eccentric work. You can get things like Kettlebells (I have adjustable ones from Kettlebell Kings so they don't take much space at all). And with the MaxPro on top I feel I pretty much have all I need in a small space. I am not in any way affiliated btw, I just happened to have used it and like it very much as it meets my needs. The Pendley interview is below. www.t-nation.com/training/too-much-muscle/
Concentric is good, but eccentric is as well. You just miss out on the benefits of getting both resistances by using this. This would be very good for travel if you have nothing else to use.
I was very close to buying this until I read it was only concentric. Cmon man, so close to an excellent home workout device that is portable, SO CLOSE!
The technology is not there yet. It's a tiny piece of equipment that fits in a bookbag. The tonal has it but it takes up a whole wall. Compromises for portability.
@@DTM117 Correct some youtuber that swears by the tonal said to go all in will cost $5k like that makes sense. Plus to get the eccentric you have to be enrolled into the subscription. At that price might as well go back to the gym and pay the the $20-30/month membership. The maxpro is a 1 time buy and its your no subs or anything.
Thanks for the review, it was quite helpful. While I still think it would be useful for travel and a great idea overall, the lack of eccentric resistance really took it from something I’d spring money on to not. I agree, if they could add in eccentric motion somehow, this thing could be gold for travel and those with limited space.
@@IRONMAN79101 I disagree. If it had eccentric force loading, it is a proper solution for people who are lacking space and/or travel frequently. I could build my whole body on something like that, I can already visualize exercises for many of my body parts. You just need to be creative, you basically have a ''gym'' in a bag.
Not having eccentric resistance makes this a compromised niche item. The only use case I can think of where this would be a good product is for travel fitness. For that the price would need to be closer to ~$300 for this to be remotely compelling. Even in a very small home gym this just doesn't make sense and for $1300 you can get many better products.
It's only good for travel fitness until you rip out the door frame you attached it to and have to compensate the hotel. And get surgery because as it broke the door frame it also hit your back with 300lb of force, either that or after it broke off the frame you faceplanted yourself on some table at 300lb of force.
I was so excited and fully on-board until I realized there's no eccentric resistance. Total bummer - they need to figure out the science on that and add it in!
Thank you thank you Coop I was the one Who asked you to reweiv this product. I have been looking for this product for a long time because a want a cable cross machine for My small gym and this would probetly work. But I love your honesty and I agree if they could make it excentric as well then I would love it.
There are a bunch of eccentric only or eccentric focussed similar things with a flywheel you could buy one of those in addition to this if you have a lot of money to spare
Just bought this thanks to this review. It’s pretty cool, I use it with dumbells to get the most out of it. I’m excited I can do tricep pulldowns and lat pulldowns with some weight too! Don’t listen to the haters, this is great if you know it’s limitations.
I'm interested in getting this to use while I'm traveling. I can't bring a bench with me , so could I use this for a chest press if I lay down on the floor, with this under my back? Or is that hump in the middle of the footplate too much, even with a pillow?
I picked up my Maxpro when all the gyms were still closed. Overall I like it but definitely agree about the one way resistance. No matter the weight or number of reps I never really feel like I got a good workout.
This is the kind of gadget that ends up in a closet gathering dust for most buyers. Too expensive for what it offers but I'd take one for $300 as something I can take on the road. For $1300 I can get a bar, plates, bench, and adjustable dumbbell...Sure gym equipment takes up space but you also remember to use it.
The appeal of this is also for people with small spaces who share walls and floors and for whom barbells and big plates are impractical. Still the one way only resistance is disappointing.
This thing looks amazing, if it wasn't for the no eccentric resistance i would seriously consider getting this. Especially for days where i just don't want to make my way to the gym or on an off day where i want to work on a weak point.
Totally agree. Squats without loading towards the bottom completely changes it. I was excited cause I drive a truck and this would help me a ton, but coming from a powerlifting background, no eccentric resistance just destroys the squat. Well still better than nothing I guess, might buy it.
@@mirkomarjanovic3234this is a great machine. You •think there’s a compromise until you use it. You quickly realize there is almost no workout compromise. Want negatives? Use adjustable heavy dumbbells for additional work. Good to go
Appreciate all your vids! Very informative and have lead to my own garage gym purchases! I forward your vids to my friends that look to their own gym/exercise equipment. Look forward to future content and keep up the good work!
I’m working out in a 1/4 of a one car garage (the rest of the room is taken up by my WFH office, my wife’s craft space, plus storage.) So I def understand minimal space. And for significantly less than list price and probably less than day one backer price I have: 2 bowflex kettlebells, multiple sets of bands both loop and straight plus base and bars, suspensions trainers, steel club, mace bell, Indian clubs, multiple sand bags, weight vest plus some Craigslist standard plates and barbell, push up handles, door pull up bar with dip bar. For the type of hybrid kind of workouts I love it’s great and fits in a tiny space. And it’s modular, and can be as portable as I want. I suspected this machine was a goofy gimmick but had some interest. Now I now how right I was.
No eccentric resistance is worthless if you want to grow big muscles. Pass, thanks for the review because I really thought this might be a good accessory piece for the gym.
I'm so glad you brought up that it only does concentric weighted movement. I was really thinking about getting this but if you're working out you want both concentric and eccentric to get a complete workout to completely target that muscle with resistance in both directions. It will still work to gain some muscle but you're not getting the full benefit of applying weight to both movements within that exercise. You're putting the time and effort into the workout, you want the most out of movements. This may be good if traveling if this is the only option you have, otherwise use something else that will impact your muscles with resistance with both movements.
I own the non-bluetooth version without bench or wall brackets. I'm my opinion Its better than any bowflex. Yes, it's pricey (I bought mine new second hand). The resistance works through gears. It's uncomfortable to stand on bare feet. If your in Canada the least expensive place to buy is best buy (online only).
I love the portability of this device, but as many others have said, without eccentric resistance, seems to me I’d get better results and benefit with my TRX/Crosscore suspension trainers at literally a fraction of the cost. For home gym, I’d rather buy a 24kg kb and a pull up bar.
Agree. And a TRX travels better too! A knockoff TRX (They are just as good as the real one, and I tell you this as a certified TRX instructor) is around $30. NOTHING can beat that!
@@vgman94 Look for one with a rubberize\silicone handle. Avoid the ones with the fabric\foam handles. Avoid the ones called "Px" (P3, P4, etc)... These are very low quality knockoffs.
This was the funniest video yet 😂🤣 "how big do I look?" "Just coop." "That's it folks!" I've watched you for so long and the way you talk and amazing humor timing alone is worth the watch every time.
I bought and use it ….I love the concentric only movement and I don’t get real sore …I k ow it works the other day at the airport a young lady asked me if I play for the Detroit lions ..so I k ow it’s working
Cool concept, it doesn’t fully replace a a cable tower or adjustable dumbbells tho - which are both a bit cheaper and also allow more exercise variation and not being limited to the concentric phase only.
I think it’s a nice piece of gear. Being only concentric seems to be a safety feature. At least you know that if you give out on a rep it won’t snap back and hurt you.
This is a home gym!!! For people that don’t have time to go to the gym during the week. Then you go to the gym on the weekends. It’s perfect. F all these haters.
With a larger than foot length flat platform attachment this would be epic. Basically just screw in a piece of similar size to the existing foot pad on both the top & bottom of the existing foot pad. You then have triple the height so your whole foot is flat & stable plus the device is just as portable! Concentric only makes it brilliant for muscular endurance work - 12 to 100 reps - with little to no eccentric. EG a sled pull/push. If it had that platform I’d buy it but at a much lower price of $400 maximum.
I learned a bit more about how it works now and why it can't do eccentric resistance. Basically, it squeezes 5 plates of sandpaper together to generate friction resistance. The higher the resistance setting, the more tightly pressed the plates of sandpaper are against each other to generate higher friction. It will never be able to d eccentric resistance without a complete design overhaul.
Hey Coop, liked the review! I just retired from the military, but this would have been perfect because of all the traveling, TDYs, and stays in hotels I did while I was in.
I got one as a sub for a cable machine (the non electronic one). We use it alongside the garage gym and really like it. The apps and electronic stuff didn't seem to be justified for the money. The basic thing is pretty cool, though, especially for cable-type stuff that can't be covered by a vertical pulley hanging off your rack.
I have the chart of the weight printed out and taped on the wall so its a quick reference. There is no need to buy the full package and spend all of that money. The max pro alone comes with all of the accessories that you need. There are always promotions going on. I got the wall track free and $100 off so I only paid $750 for it so the $1350-$1500 is not expected. I love the max pro. It was weird not to have the eccentric at first but I went really heavy on all of my movements and squeezed for 2-3 seconds at the top of each movement and left me crazy sore the next day. No eccentric but the concentric is consistent resistance so 80lbs is felt from the start of the movement. People need to stop comparing it to resistance bands its not the same thing. This is perfect to couple with a heavy set of adjustable dumbbells and a bench.
Solution for eccentric. Buy two of these things and set the tension about half in the opposite direction. If you're going to spend $1300 for one, you can afford two.
I have noticed that a lot of comments about the non-ecentric phase of the unit have prevailed on here. I must say, I agree. And for me, that is not Bro Science. I have a Masters Degree in Kinesiology, and a Masters Degree in Exercise Physiology, as well as one in Nutritional Science. You can build almost as muscle in the ecentric as in the concentric. The company is not using science for their argument. Thanks Coop for all you do. I appreciate your reviews
This is so appealing but it's not perfect yet, sooooo close. The fact that you can use it without having to pay for a subscription to use it is a big step forward.
I'm so proud of this because my grandfather developed many materials and components of this product. I've seen many stages of the development and the internal clutches but I can't talk about it 😁
With a few resistance bands and a bar, you could do everything this does. The bands would be even more portable, much cheaper, and you would get resistance in both directions.
i am looking for a compact "home gym" but not quite sure because of no weights listed on device, no clicking into spots so you know for sure without having to double check location on spin wheel, need incline and decline on bench and absolutely need resistance on the way back from any excersice motion. Plus having a free live workout you can follow would make it more of an incentive.
Yes I want the same! Also do a review on the K pulley go. I am torn between these devices. My only need is I would like to find a way to do squats with k pulley go.
GREAT REVIEW! Cool product! And I see the turn off by the only concentric resistance. I', thinking this would be more favorable for CROSS-FIT trainers because if the resistance is only one way, that's similar to when you're training with pushing the big tire end over end. Or pulling the same big tire or other weight with a rope across the floor. Like climbing a rope. Or even a rowing machine and true row training. Resistance in one motion, and then neutral. Likewise, it's like exercising with throwing the the medicine bag. As opposed to weight training where you exert the force of the move, and then CONTROL the weight back to starting position. lol....that's my take. Cool thing if a household group, co-workers in the office, or other groups who intend to work together with this device piece-up to purchase. Otherwise, yeah....it's a little expensive to mu budgetting. But still a great investment for all the perks and uses. Thanks for this vid and review and introduction to the existance of the product!
12:55 haha, I appreciate your identification of the marketing speak. Sounds like a good team there, but I'm with you in that I'd much prefer having an eccentric phase. I'm wondering if hamstring strains would be more likely after extended concentric-only training 🤔
Hi Coupe! Your room is so sanitized it reminds me of a new construction model home or one of those houses a spy rents and hangs pictures that came with the frame. Noticed that while staring at the sliding door trying to figure out what sort of room or torture area it was for.
Concentric only training could be a could entry point into training for deconditioned folks; they can train and not get sore. The hardware/software discrepancy reminds me of the Polar H10; they spent all their development dollars on getting a highly accurate sensor and the app is like an afterthought.
Might be a decent option to be able to take your workout on vacation, but it is not worth that much money for one or two vacations a year. I am looking at pulleys for my home gym. The Surplus Strength UPS is the one I am considering as it works better for me than the Rogue slinger.
It seems like the downsides (no eccentric resistance) make this thing only useful in a narrow set of circumstances. For example, we have a fishing cottage in the middle of nowhere in Canada. There’s no gym anywhere and we have no room for gym equipment. Something like this would be perfect…except I’d never pay $1,500 to use it a few times a year. I’d rather take sandbags or a set of adjustable dumbbells. I’m not sure who their target demographic is.
As soon as he said the resistance was only concentric I knew what this company was doing. They are using adjustable rotary dampers. In conjunction with recent adjustable shock technology. Basically there’s a hydraulic fluid inside providing resistance, this resistance is varied by changing the size of the passage way, that’s what the dial does.
This is also why they can’t put a “lbs” rating on there because hydraulic dampers are relative to pull velocity, similar to a row machine, slower speeds will provide less resistance than higher speeds. Therefore the company can’t make a set in stone claim of a resistance value for a given resistance level.
I can't fully visualise the design yet, so why do you think this wouldn't this allow for eccentric resistance? I thought rotary dampers damped in both directions
@@BlueyMcPhluey they do, but this isn't a 2 force flexure. They're using a cable. A cable can only operate in tension. And the damper can only offer RESISTANCE. It's an opposing force. So on the ecentric motion the cable is being retracted by a spring ratchet, the. On the pill strike the ratchet teeth engage (or clutch or whatever they're using) and provide a tension force, now remember the rotary damper will react to forces provided, so now it will provide resistance. The build would be a rotary damper attached to a one way clutch attached to a spring that reels the spool in attached to a spool with the handle on it. You pull the spool up it engages the clutch and pulls on the damper, this provides resistance. At the top of the stroke the cable can only provide tension so it can't effect the damper on the down stroke, this is where the spring reels in the spool, the clutch is one way so this doesn't affect the damper and now the system is reset at the bottom and ready for another pull.
@@EAGLINWRX ah thanks I think I'm seeing what you're seeing. To be clear, do you mean that on the way up they're resisting both the spring and the damper, but on the way back they're just resisting the spring? If so, then perhaps a solution could be to use a stronger spring?
This would be so much easier with diagrams 😅
@@BlueyMcPhluey even if you used a stronger spring it would only be used to retract the line, so it wouldn't be an adjustable resistance. So it would be better to leave it light so you don't discriminate from those less strong
U think it’s worth it
I agree with everyone else, without eccentric, there’s no point
at 10:28 is that app lagging bad too ? or because iphones have a slow screen ?
The app isn't the best but if you know how to work out you don't need the app
Maybe for elite rowing athletes, that happen travel a lot for business yet have very limited access to concept 2 rowers, that want to get in some sort of training specific to the energy system/ lack of eccentric. Shark tank wouldn’t love that market size
If you workout with push-pull splits, wouldn't it be effective?
I am a paraplegic and cannot use most gym equipment. The MAXPRO with wall track is AMAZING for me. Strong back, arms, shoulders, and core. It's fantastic for rotator cuff strengthing, too.
Here's an idea I hope someone steals -- instead of using a damper/dashpot like the MaxPro (resistance proportional to speed) or a spring like the AnCore (resistance proportional to distance), let's see if someone can develop a lightweight home or portable cable system using high torque electric motors with electronic controls. You could customize the force curve to overload the eccentric motion, or where the muscle is most stretched. Integrate it with a smart home device so you can say "Hey Google/Siri/Alexa, lighten it 20 lbs for a drop set."
Mid pull and Alexa says sure added 2000 lbs. Lmao
Got it for damn near half off for prime day deals week. I’ll write back to upon receiving and using.
$1,300 for only concentric resistance? This is useless.
Yeap, reason why i didnt go for it during Kickstarter, even when it was cheaper.
Its actually $750 on sale but you can get a good deal with a free bench or free wall track from time to time.
Damn right it is. I've had it and just sold it. I had trouble selling it. This thing is the new thigh master
@@dmar192 That is still way overpriced for something that isn't even as good as exercise bands.
@@MAGAMAN I have exercise bands and used them during the pandemic lock down the gains were minimal. I don't care for variable resistance you get from the bands. With the max pro you get resistance from the start of the movement until the top end.
I bought the max pro 10 days ago. Really liking it so far. Before purchase I was concerned the lack of resistance in the eccentric phase would result in a huge case of buyer’s remorse. It doesn’t bother me at all, so far.
In fact. I’ve decided the variety the MP provides by not having resistance in the eccentric phase is a benefit rather than a detractor. It doesn’t mimic or replace bands or cables; it’s just its own thing that provides a different workout than you’d get with bands, cables, or weights. I’ve learned that variety is a pretty big deal for me to be consistent in my workouts. So far, the MP is proving to be a solid option.
Design looks and feels sturdy. We’ll see how it holds up after a year of regular workouts.
I also really like that I can do half a dozen different movements pretty effectively without having to change handles or positions. Basic movements include deadlift, a modified clean, curls, cable crossovers (underhand grip), front/side shoulder flys, and shoulder press.
One of the main advantages has been the ability to hit a bunch of different movements quickly without having to load/unload plates or switch machines. I can get a good resistance workout in fairly quickly.
The cable does sometimes get in the way of your motion a bit on some of these lifts. Less than ideal but, for me, the interference isn’t enough to ruin the lift - so, not a big deal so far.
Also, adjusting the resistance is very simple, quick, and work well. I agree that it would be better if the resistance indicator was marked I lbs instead of just numbers that don’t seem to correspond to kilos or lbs. Still, not a huge detractor.
You still using it bro? Thanks for the post , helpful.
For $1500, I would buy a used cable crossover. Will fit perfectly against the wall in my garage :-)
If you have the space go for it.
This is meant for space saving
Yeah I saw one that was used for 1700. It only has 100lbs or 50lbs each cable. And no way of upgrading it. Cable machines are expensive. Or they use crap pulleys that will wear out quickly. Same for a couple of knock off total gyms. They pulleys and rollers were nylon or plastic that wore out.
@@barakbalestrery4138 back in the day from dick sporting goods I got a power cage it was a Smith machine and had pullys in the front sides that were adjustable in the back had 2 pullys one for lat pull-downs and one for seated rows. You load Olympic weights on it. The rack was $750 weights were separate. It was a solid piece of machine. I would get that machine again once I have space for it. So its possible to get cable station for cheap assuming you have a dedicated station.
I bought a used total gym for $40 and it’s easily the most useful gym equipment I’ve ever bought. Especially with the resistance cable “hack”. I can get around 400lbs of resistance easy
Meanwhile, over at MaxPro HQ: Mass panic that lack of eccentric is a fatal deal breaker.
I tried this a couple months back. I like the concept but having no eccentric tension was a complete deal breaker for me.
100% agree
I was 100% thinking of getting one for travel purposes, as soon as he said there was no eccentric portion of it, it became 0%. Once they or if they are able to get eccentric portion I’ll get one.
Yes that’s a deal breaker unfortunately
needs the oyo/bowflex revolution style of force
Saw this on shark tank and came here. No eccentric is a deal breaker for me. Perhaps the most important phase of each movement. For that reason I’m out
Wow this seems awesome. $1300 is a lot and you can buy a lot of equipment with it BUT i now travel for work and months worth of clothing (which is a lot in and of itself) and gym equipment must fit in my car in one trip. I can’t lug around lots of dumbbells etc.
Additionally, I stay in small studios or rent out rooms so a small foot print is an absolute key for me. So excited to try. Thanks a lot for the review!
What about an adjustable dumbell set? Like the PowerBlocks?
@@Penelope416 Was thinking about those too, but this gives me the option to overhead presses and lat pulldowns. Personally, I think I'll get more out of it, especially leg day-wise, than an adjustable dumbell set. Wouldn't mind it in the future if I had more money to invest in equipment. Thanks for the suggestion!
I died when you stole Sam's lawn mower analogy. 🤣
hey juji
Juji, you need to invite coop and Slick Rick DeHagendaz to your gym again!
@@macalderon81 coops gonna freak out when he see juji's gym🤣
RIP
Everyone I sub to knows each other! 🤣
The device is good. It may not have an eccentric out right slowing your speed on your reps can make up for it. There is still tension there just not as much as you use it to lift it's still some there. It's not the perfect machine but it gets the job done and the machine itself was only $600 when I bought it and use a 50 bench from walmart to do all my bench work. Keep up the great work Coop
First of all thanks for doing this review. I wound up buying the bundle.
I am not sure why there seems to be a lot of hate about concentric training in the comments. There is actually a lot of literature out there, including studies, showing that concentric training is actually pretty good.
I am also going to link an interview of Pendley, yes the guy who has a row exercise named after him. You'll see he likes concentric and explosive exercise.
The part about recovering faster and being able to work out more often is also true.
In general for something like a deadlift you don't want to place the bar down, it is best to drop it (if your gym allows it). You skip the eccentric side. The MaxPro allows you to do this at home without dropping anything on the floor.
I am not saying that it's better than doing both concentric and eccentric training, but calling the MaxPro useless because because of the concentric only thing, is a bit of a stretch. It's far from useless.
I do still own kettlebells so I can actually couple the MaxPro with explosive training and if I want to add eccentric load I can do it with the kettlebells (or my bodyweight).
I really love how versatile this is and it's excellent for small spaces. Cables are a fantastic tool and safer than free weights. The fact that you can mount this on a wall or a door or whatever, and you can use it standing or with the bench just lets you do so many exercises, and you don't have to go the gym.
Maybe I am just the type of user this is meant for, but you know, you have your bodyweight if you really want to do eccentric work. You can get things like Kettlebells (I have adjustable ones from Kettlebell Kings so they don't take much space at all). And with the MaxPro on top I feel I pretty much have all I need in a small space.
I am not in any way affiliated btw, I just happened to have used it and like it very much as it meets my needs.
The Pendley interview is below.
www.t-nation.com/training/too-much-muscle/
Concentric is good, but eccentric is as well. You just miss out on the benefits of getting both resistances by using this. This would be very good for travel if you have nothing else to use.
I was very close to buying this until I read it was only concentric. Cmon man, so close to an excellent home workout device that is portable, SO CLOSE!
The technology is not there yet. It's a tiny piece of equipment that fits in a bookbag. The tonal has it but it takes up a whole wall. Compromises for portability.
@@dmar192 Tonal is also extremely expensive.
@@DTM117 Correct some youtuber that swears by the tonal said to go all in will cost $5k like that makes sense. Plus to get the eccentric you have to be enrolled into the subscription. At that price might as well go back to the gym and pay the the $20-30/month membership. The maxpro is a 1 time buy and its your no subs or anything.
@@dmar192 u need to pay monthly fee for the tonal to get the eccentric ?
@@luludodo12 yes sir
Thanks for the review, it was quite helpful. While I still think it would be useful for travel and a great idea overall, the lack of eccentric resistance really took it from something I’d spring money on to not. I agree, if they could add in eccentric motion somehow, this thing could be gold for travel and those with limited space.
Resistance bands are super good & a whole set with handle fit in a shave kit bag!
Thank you for doing this so I don't have to!
Max pro is just another gimmick
@@IRONMAN79101 I disagree. If it had eccentric force loading, it is a proper solution for people who are lacking space and/or travel frequently. I could build my whole body on something like that, I can already visualize exercises for many of my body parts. You just need to be creative, you basically have a ''gym'' in a bag.
@@KenanTurkiye ya u can be creative or u can save your money and do burpees
@@IRONMAN79101 :) k.
@@IRONMAN79101 do you have it ?
Not having eccentric resistance makes this a compromised niche item. The only use case I can think of where this would be a good product is for travel fitness. For that the price would need to be closer to ~$300 for this to be remotely compelling. Even in a very small home gym this just doesn't make sense and for $1300 you can get many better products.
It's only good for travel fitness until you rip out the door frame you attached it to and have to compensate the hotel. And get surgery because as it broke the door frame it also hit your back with 300lb of force, either that or after it broke off the frame you faceplanted yourself on some table at 300lb of force.
what is a better product for similar use?
@@AlexADalton adjustable dumbells for example
@@AlexADalton If you're travelling just take a set of resistance bands. This product is junk.
@@stevenliu1070 tried that and snapped em once. Still have PTSD over it. I don't trust em.
I was so excited and fully on-board until I realized there's no eccentric resistance. Total bummer - they need to figure out the science on that and add it in!
Thank you thank you Coop I was the one Who asked you to reweiv this product. I have been looking for this product for a long time because a want a cable cross machine for My small gym and this would probetly work. But I love your honesty and I agree if they could make it excentric as well then I would love it.
If they can figure out the eccentric, I’d prefer one of these over a full cable machine for my garage.
There are a bunch of eccentric only or eccentric focussed similar things with a flywheel you could buy one of those in addition to this if you have a lot of money to spare
Just bought this thanks to this review. It’s pretty cool, I use it with dumbells to get the most out of it. I’m excited I can do tricep pulldowns and lat pulldowns with some weight too! Don’t listen to the haters, this is great if you know it’s limitations.
I'm interested in getting this to use while I'm traveling. I can't bring a bench with me , so could I use this for a chest press if I lay down on the floor, with this under my back? Or is that hump in the middle of the footplate too much, even with a pillow?
Yeah, no eccentric is clearly a deal breaker, especially for this price.
And that’s where lots of hypertrophy comes from kinda sad
No eccentric? So basically useless for gaining muscle
What’s eccentric
I picked up my Maxpro when all the gyms were still closed. Overall I like it but definitely agree about the one way resistance. No matter the weight or number of reps I never really feel like I got a good workout.
This is the kind of gadget that ends up in a closet gathering dust for most buyers. Too expensive for what it offers but I'd take one for $300 as something I can take on the road. For $1300 I can get a bar, plates, bench, and adjustable dumbbell...Sure gym equipment takes up space but you also remember to use it.
Exactly!
The appeal of this is also for people with small spaces who share walls and floors and for whom barbells and big plates are impractical. Still the one way only resistance is disappointing.
The idea quality of equipment is going down yet the prices are sky rocketing 😂
This thing looks amazing, if it wasn't for the no eccentric resistance i would seriously consider getting this. Especially for days where i just don't want to make my way to the gym or on an off day where i want to work on a weak point.
Totally agree. Squats without loading towards the bottom completely changes it. I was excited cause I drive a truck and this would help me a ton, but coming from a powerlifting background, no eccentric resistance just destroys the squat. Well still better than nothing I guess, might buy it.
@@mirkomarjanovic3234this is a great machine. You •think there’s a compromise until you use it. You quickly realize there is almost no workout compromise. Want negatives? Use adjustable heavy dumbbells for additional work. Good to go
Appreciate all your vids! Very informative and have lead to my own garage gym purchases! I forward your vids to my friends that look to their own gym/exercise equipment. Look forward to future content and keep up the good work!
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I’m working out in a 1/4 of a one car garage (the rest of the room is taken up by my WFH office, my wife’s craft space, plus storage.)
So I def understand minimal space.
And for significantly less than list price and probably less than day one backer price I have: 2 bowflex kettlebells, multiple sets of bands both loop and straight plus base and bars, suspensions trainers, steel club, mace bell, Indian clubs, multiple sand bags, weight vest plus some Craigslist standard plates and barbell, push up handles, door pull up bar with dip bar. For the type of hybrid kind of workouts I love it’s great and fits in a tiny space. And it’s modular, and can be as portable as I want.
I suspected this machine was a goofy gimmick but had some interest. Now I now how right I was.
No eccentric resistance is worthless if you want to grow big muscles. Pass, thanks for the review because I really thought this might be a good accessory piece for the gym.
i like videos like this.... right at the start we see what the stuff does. Other channels just keep you hanging on for the views. Great stuff, bro!!!
I'm so glad you brought up that it only does concentric weighted movement. I was really thinking about getting this but if you're working out you want both concentric and eccentric to get a complete workout to completely target that muscle with resistance in both directions. It will still work to gain some muscle but you're not getting the full benefit of applying weight to both movements within that exercise. You're putting the time and effort into the workout, you want the most out of movements. This may be good if traveling if this is the only option you have, otherwise use something else that will impact your muscles with resistance with both movements.
liked before the video even got fully started cause of the great video quality and camera angles. high quality video!
I own the non-bluetooth version without bench or wall brackets. I'm my opinion Its better than any bowflex. Yes, it's pricey (I bought mine new second hand). The resistance works through gears. It's uncomfortable to stand on bare feet. If your in Canada the least expensive place to buy is best buy (online only).
Yes it is expensive blah blah blah... Can't we all just appreciate how nice that sliding door looks in the background 😍
Yep it's the farm door trend. Terrible for sound isolation as the gap on the bottom is generally big for sliding purposes
I love the portability of this device, but as many others have said, without eccentric resistance, seems to me I’d get better results and benefit with my TRX/Crosscore suspension trainers at literally a fraction of the cost. For home gym, I’d rather buy a 24kg kb and a pull up bar.
Agree. And a TRX travels better too! A knockoff TRX (They are just as good as the real one, and I tell you this as a certified TRX instructor) is around $30. NOTHING can beat that!
@@shane250 What is a good TRX knockoff to look for? Trying to learn more about them.
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Look for one with a rubberize\silicone handle. Avoid the ones with the fabric\foam handles. Avoid the ones called "Px" (P3, P4, etc)... These are very low quality knockoffs.
This was the funniest video yet 😂🤣 "how big do I look?" "Just coop." "That's it folks!" I've watched you for so long and the way you talk and amazing humor timing alone is worth the watch every time.
Man, great review! Possibly the best review channel I've seen! I'm subscribing. thanks for sharing!
"How big do I look Nathan"
"So Big"
"Thank you, I feel big" *heavy breathing*
Dude if someone wasn't looking at the video and just heard the audio 😭🤣
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No negative reps, well no buy for me. Thanks for the review, as always awesome.
Still waiting for the magical attachment(s) to make my rack into a functional trainer. Hopefully somebody will figure it out soon.
One day brother. One day. That would be the dream.
Thanks for reviewing this one! Been looking at it for awhile due to the small space that I have for my home gym. Always appreciate the honesty!
Not having concentric resistance is not good and is definitely a deal breaker for me. That's literally half of your workout.
@@MrEazyE357 actually it’s missing eccentric nor concentric
I bought and use it ….I love the concentric only movement and I don’t get real sore …I k ow it works the other day at the airport a young lady asked me if I play for the Detroit lions ..so I k ow it’s working
I just saw the same product, for $60 bucks from China, a company callef marintus. And I am telling you it is exactly the same.
Cool concept, it doesn’t fully replace a a cable tower or adjustable dumbbells tho - which are both a bit cheaper and also allow more exercise variation and not being limited to the concentric phase only.
I think it’s a nice piece of gear. Being only concentric seems to be a safety feature. At least you know that if you give out on a rep it won’t snap back and hurt you.
That can be solved by a button on the handle to release the pressure.
This is a home gym!!! For people that don’t have time to go to the gym during the week. Then you go to the gym on the weekends. It’s perfect. F all these haters.
In the mountain rescue service we use dyneema for setting up cable railways to rescue injured persons over canyons, walls, etc.
This stuff is durable.
When they add the eccentric resistance I'm in. Still very cool. Great video.
With a larger than foot length flat platform attachment this would be epic. Basically just screw in a piece of similar size to the existing foot pad on both the top & bottom of the existing foot pad. You then have triple the height so your whole foot is flat & stable plus the device is just as portable!
Concentric only makes it brilliant for muscular endurance work - 12 to 100 reps - with little to no eccentric. EG a sled pull/push.
If it had that platform I’d buy it but at a much lower price of $400 maximum.
seems like you can just buy a set of bands and keep $1000
I learned a bit more about how it works now and why it can't do eccentric resistance. Basically, it squeezes 5 plates of sandpaper together to generate friction resistance. The higher the resistance setting, the more tightly pressed the plates of sandpaper are against each other to generate higher friction. It will never be able to d eccentric resistance without a complete design overhaul.
@Đức Trần I don't think it's sandpaper. More likely clutch packs like in automotive limited slip differential.
Bands, cords, TRX, rings, and on and on for workouts on the go
I'm glad you told us it only has resistance in one direction before I wasted my money on this. Thanks. 👍
Hey Coop, liked the review! I just retired from the military, but this would have been perfect because of all the traveling, TDYs, and stays in hotels I did while I was in.
I am absolutely sold. Thank you!
The cord is dyneema. Larger dyneema cords are used as steel cable replacement for some hoisting work, like towing.
I got one as a sub for a cable machine (the non electronic one). We use it alongside the garage gym and really like it. The apps and electronic stuff didn't seem to be justified for the money. The basic thing is pretty cool, though, especially for cable-type stuff that can't be covered by a vertical pulley hanging off your rack.
You should do more reviews off multigym machines like powertech ect.💪
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Nice shelf in the background - moving on up to the east side dude. Love the videos.
Thanks for your honest review and complete professionalism.. I like this a lot in you..
I have the chart of the weight printed out and taped on the wall so its a quick reference. There is no need to buy the full package and spend all of that money. The max pro alone comes with all of the accessories that you need. There are always promotions going on. I got the wall track free and $100 off so I only paid $750 for it so the $1350-$1500 is not expected. I love the max pro. It was weird not to have the eccentric at first but I went really heavy on all of my movements and squeezed for 2-3 seconds at the top of each movement and left me crazy sore the next day. No eccentric but the concentric is consistent resistance so 80lbs is felt from the start of the movement. People need to stop comparing it to resistance bands its not the same thing. This is perfect to couple with a heavy set of adjustable dumbbells and a bench.
Solution for eccentric. Buy two of these things and set the tension about half in the opposite direction.
If you're going to spend $1300 for one, you can afford two.
Great video Coop and love the shirt!!
I was screaming at my phone when you were demonstrating the work outs, “get it Coop! Get it!” Lol
Coop thanks for all your hard work bud. Some of this stuff is out of your everyday garage gym guys budget but its fun to daydream.
I have noticed that a lot of comments about the non-ecentric phase of the unit have prevailed on here. I must say, I agree. And for me, that is not Bro Science. I have a Masters Degree in Kinesiology, and a Masters Degree in Exercise Physiology, as well as one in Nutritional Science. You can build almost as muscle in the ecentric as in the concentric. The company is not using science for their argument. Thanks Coop for all you do. I appreciate your reviews
You should use a hanging scale to test if the resistance weight is consistent at all distances.
the production has been amp up! love it coop.
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Love the videos man! 👍🏼👏🏼
Can't believe this guy hasn't broken a mill subs. What the heck! Best equipment reviews out here 👌 👏
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You did a awesome job of this review man
Elastic bands: Am I a joke to you? I'm under $10 for a bunch and I'm VERY portable.
Thats really cool equipment to travel with! Very beneficial videos and to the point.
Without eccentric it's not worth it.
Prefer a resistance bands. You can do same exercises, taking less space in a bag, lighter, cheaper. Tks for a review
I love that your 2 comparisons with the box were rollerblade box and gun case hahahahaha
I don't know why but I could see this being useful if you travel a lot or if your truck driver
This is so appealing but it's not perfect yet, sooooo close. The fact that you can use it without having to pay for a subscription to use it is a big step forward.
Coop coming in clutch with yet another 🔥 of a product that I now want to buy. Keep up all the hard work you and your minions do for us!
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Thanks for the review.
Thanks for the tip pal...will still stick to adjustable dumbbells.
That cord is called "amsteel". It's made of dyneema. It's used in sailing and it's as strong as steel.
I'm so proud of this because my grandfather developed many materials and components of this product. I've seen many stages of the development and the internal clutches but I can't talk about it 😁
If you ask me to build one, i would put a motircycle clutch on a ratchet and a screw to adjust the clutch tension.
I'm glad that I am not the only weirdo who gets that type of pleasure from opening an iPhone box for the first time.
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They need to make a version that attaches to a squat rack so the user can do lat pull downs, triceps push downs, face pulls, and seated cable rows.
Many racks have high low plate loaded lat pull/low row attachments for a fraction of the price of this thing.
With a few resistance bands and a bar, you could do everything this does. The bands would be even more portable, much cheaper, and you would get resistance in both directions.
i am looking for a compact "home gym" but not quite sure because of no weights listed on device, no clicking into spots so you know for sure without having to double check location on spin wheel, need incline and decline on bench and absolutely need resistance on the way back from any excersice motion. Plus having a free live workout you can follow would make it more of an incentive.
Thanks for the info on concentric...I was going to buy it and would have been Wildly Disappointed... you saved me!
Adjustable dumbells with a weight bench is not only cheaper but you have resistance all the way through the reps. Wayyyy better.
Coop you should review the handy gym and the whipr!
Yes I want the same! Also do a review on the K pulley go. I am torn between these devices. My only need is I would like to find a way to do squats with k pulley go.
GREAT REVIEW! Cool product! And I see the turn off by the only concentric resistance. I', thinking this would be more favorable for CROSS-FIT trainers because if the resistance is only one way, that's similar to when you're training with pushing the big tire end over end. Or pulling the same big tire or other weight with a rope across the floor. Like climbing a rope. Or even a rowing machine and true row training.
Resistance in one motion, and then neutral. Likewise, it's like exercising with throwing the the medicine bag. As opposed to weight training where you exert the force of the move, and then CONTROL the weight back to starting position.
lol....that's my take. Cool thing if a household group, co-workers in the office, or other groups who intend to work together with this device piece-up to purchase. Otherwise, yeah....it's a little expensive to mu budgetting. But still a great investment for all the perks and uses.
Thanks for this vid and review and introduction to the existance of the product!
I have GOT to start whispering to myself if I've got another rep at the end of a set.
12:55 haha, I appreciate your identification of the marketing speak. Sounds like a good team there, but I'm with you in that I'd much prefer having an eccentric phase.
I'm wondering if hamstring strains would be more likely after extended concentric-only training 🤔
Genius the inventor is so smart
I’m considering getting one of these for the road. I’m an over the road trucker.. and trying to get back in shape
Lack of eccentric is a huge con.
Hi Coupe! Your room is so sanitized it reminds me of a new construction model home or one of those houses a spy rents and hangs pictures that came with the frame. Noticed that while staring at the sliding door trying to figure out what sort of room or torture area it was for.
I’m out of shape and can deadlift 380 for the ACFT. Old man strength.
A very helpful review.
Concentric only training could be a could entry point into training for deconditioned folks; they can train and not get sore.
The hardware/software discrepancy reminds me of the Polar H10; they spent all their development dollars on getting a highly accurate sensor and the app is like an afterthought.
Might be a decent option to be able to take your workout on vacation, but it is not worth that much money for one or two vacations a year. I am looking at pulleys for my home gym. The Surplus Strength UPS is the one I am considering as it works better for me than the Rogue slinger.
It seems like the downsides (no eccentric resistance) make this thing only useful in a narrow set of circumstances. For example, we have a fishing cottage in the middle of nowhere in Canada. There’s no gym anywhere and we have no room for gym equipment. Something like this would be perfect…except I’d never pay $1,500 to use it a few times a year. I’d rather take sandbags or a set of adjustable dumbbells. I’m not sure who their target demographic is.
or a $25 set of resistance bands
Or just setup a pull up bar and do calisthenics
@@thestuff4321 would love to but I’m rehabbing a couple things so pull-ups are not in my current routine.
Yeah, you could get a better workout with a set of bands and a dowel rod