i cant tell you how aggravated i was.. i bought a rebel 215 about 6 months before the 205 ac dc came out. i definitely would have bought that one for the extra $1200... easier having everything in one. about 8 months in something malfunctioned in my rebel. i called esab at 8 pm and they walked me through troubleshooting on the phone. couldnt fix it, they over nighted one, but sent me the entire package i bought. i called them again, they said just send back the power supply and keep the extras as spares! i couldnt be happier truthfully, the rebel can definitely take a pounding!
Bakersgas is just AWESOME! I ordered a weld kit for college. They were out of stock and i needed it in a day and half. They overnighted (i selected that option) the individual pieces to make the kit and upgraded a couple pieces for me! Their knowledge, kindness, and service is absolutely amazing! Great company!
THANKS!!! I'm that much closer to buying the rebel! Waiting for the rest of the review before I pull the trigger! It will be form Baker Gas because of your informative reviews! Thanks again!
Ukau did you get the rebel and do you like it I'm in the market for a welder and I'm on the fence between the miller 220 and the esab 205 what do you think
Esab 205 all the way !! had it for a year now definitely glad I went esab the flexibility on Ac is killer castings to pop cans it will do it and make it easy..
Thanks. 220 on order from Baker's. It gets my vote as a multi process machine should effortlessly switch processes. Pull trigger and go or push pedal and go. Great feature!
Just wish your shipping department was better. Placed three separate orders and none of them have shipped. I'm guessing your 'ships in 3-5 business days' was overly optimistic. Not a happy customer.@@BakersGas
@@kenethsoberano we are shipping the 220's as fast as we are receiving them from Miller! The delay on the Arc Station order was that Miller discontinued the clamps. I will send you an email as well to follow up we want you to be happy! :)
This was you about 3 years ago and if you bought the Miller, you're probably are knocking your head against the wall for not looking for a better option... An HTP Pro Pulse 220 is better than any Miller or an Esab and it can weld Mig/Mag Aluminum! Plus Silicon Bronze, Tig and Stick 6010 and beyond for about 2K
I love my new Miller tig welder, 210 sync wave, I have never owned a new Miller and it was the best birthday present I ever received, I'm now a metal artist and 70 years old and need a new helmet to go with my Welder. Peace & Love sparky's. David
we just purchased 10 ESAB 285 units. I am beyond pleased. This unit is a performer!! My only complaint is the Tweeco gun. The adapter needed for the remote is cheap. That's a Tweeco problem in my opinion. ESAB hooked me up with other gun options where I dont need the adapter. ONE IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER- The processor used on the ESAB is the same used by TESLA. Miller has gone with a Chinese company I'm told. Tesla is the dominant customer which is why we have to wait when ordering the units.
I do think the ESAB has more flexibility, but is it really flexibility I need regularly if ever? I think the millers ability to switch processes so easily with tapping the mig trigger or tig foot pedal is greatly underrated!! That is a huge feature on a multi process machine.
Yes for sure switching processes is super simple on the 220! Also when you connect a Spoolgun it auto recognizes which is pretty cool too! If you have any questions on either please let us know.
I wanted a new machine after using xmt's and dynasties for years, can't believe I'm sold on yellow. Everytime I get on a newer Miller I have to turn off all that auto set crap. Very informative video and I love that ln25 form factor looks like I can throw a strap around my shoulder and carry it to the top of a tower. Just hope it lasts for decades like the Millers do
I'll continue to buy Miller for this one reason - I have a 50 year old machine that I can still buy parts for. Miller has proven they stand behind their products for the long term. I don't dislike ESAB, but I'm sticking with blue.
Lots of Miller folks around. I have never even seen let alone tried a Miller welder but with the likes of Fronius, EWM and the likes, Miller aren't very common here in Germany. I'd still love to try one some day :)
I'm new to welding as a hobby but possibly could turn into more as I'm an hvac technician in NYC I've had an amico arc-165 stick only for 5 years but only starting really practicing recently arriving today is a amico cts-200 which is stick/tig/plasma cutter. If I'm still into it I'll treat myself to something nice like the miller multimatic 215 235 or this 220 multiprocess unit I'm using it to fit schedule 40 black pipe
Hello guys. I’m curious to know why is it the Miller 220 ac/dc has such a hard time with the 6010 rods vs the Rebel 205’s could care less attitude? I mean it is such a common rod why would Miller allow that deficiency? I’m in the market for one of these two machines but don’t know if that particular point makes it a deal breaker for the Miller. Thanks in advance!
Thanks for the comment. We do not have an answer as to why the Miller does not run it well. As you seen it will do it they just do not recommend it. If you will be stick welding 6010 with any frequency definitely a big factor and reason to go Rebel. If you want to call or email us we can help you make a decision best for your application.
A drip is a droplet of water falling from top to bottom under only the force of gravity. A spray is a particulated mist of pressurized water droplets traveling with enough force to overcome gravity; and is often, but not always traveling opposite or perpendicular to gravity. The more ya know, ya know?
I was kind of hoping for more info between them and welding. Hoping the video you mention with welding head to head coming soon. Also you mentioned in the last Esab video that you weren't a fan of their MIG gun. Could you go more into accessory differences and upgrade options? Thanks for the great video series on this. The automatic setting features on the Miller are interesting as a hobbyist but I am impressed with the wider range of capabilities of the ESAB unit and leaning that way.
Joe -- thanks for watching we appreciate it! We did make a video going into depth on both of the machines. I will link them below for you in case you didn't see them. As far as the MIG gun Andrew just personally does not prefer that style/not used to using that MIG gun. Its not bad just an opinion. We do have another video coming soon! I will put in the request for a video on the accessory option for both good idea!
I’m sure the ESAB is a good machine (possibly better) but for the same price as the Miller? Any welding supply will have parts/service for a Miller and that kinda seals the deal in my opinion.
Hey Andrew with Bakers gas, it's not that big a deal about breaking a dense connector but how would you go about hooking up a water cooled torch to the Miller with the gas flow through dense???
Hi Bakers, Love your review. This machine is not available in Australia, so I am trying to bring one from a Bakers store. I need to know which store to ring and if you will ship to Australia. All payment will be done by PayPal just need to have a reasonable price
I think there gonna be comming out here soon probably better to buy here for warrenty purposes. Dunno there one with cig now. Did you end up buying one online. I saw on the internet on an au site, said coming soon 3.5grand in aus. Dont know when there coming out though.
While the ESAB seems like the better option I’m betting that the push from Baker Gas for people to buy it is because they make more on ESAB than Miller! Nothing wrong with pushing some towards a particular brand or model because it’s simply better. Bur it’s sad to push people just based on sales and profits ONLY.
Sweet! While I’m a Miller man thru and thru(literally) thats a pretty dope box. Just gotta find a retailer that wont jack you around. Like hijack your monies immediately while they pick their butt on shipping you items whenever they feel like it i guess.
Total Newb question here. I am not a professional, and doubt I will ever try to be. I am looking for something around the homestead, fixing/experimenting on farm implements, welding the occasional art project etc. Mybe even some auto body panel replacement on old vehicles (Mostly rust abatement). I am not looking to "Invest", just making an educated purchase. I am a big fan of Miller. Always have been, but with ESAB coming on the scene a few years back, it intrigues me. Just looking at the build quality of the two units presented, the ESAB case appears flimsy compared to the Miller. But at the end of the day, it is about how it welds. I don't know much about about the problem with 6010 rod on the Miller. Do you consider that a major deal breaker given what I intend to use it for. Seems to me, stick welding will be a major part of what I am going to use it for. Is there a better option in all in one units? (Specifically Miller)
Hi Gary! Thank you for watching. So if you are going to be using this at home for projects and want an easy quick welding solution. Go with the Miller 220! Miller is great all the way around. From ease of use, warranty, consumables, ect. they are 100% awesome to work with. 6010 is not really a reason not to buy it. You can do it, just not well. I would suggest checking out our other 220 videos if you have not already. The biggest advantage of this multiprocess compared to others is the AC TIG capability. However the Rebel is really popular and performs fantastic. Would not talk you out of that but think Miller might be better for you. Miller will weld great for you every time and it is super easy to switch and use to knock out a quick project. If you have more questions feel free to email or call us we will help you get everything you need.
What if you run the 6010 electrodes on reverse on the miller, like electrode negative and ground positive, that's how we do it in the Caribbean and it works great.
@@BakersGas that will be great. I rather miller than any other mark but rebel really weld awesome. I'm trying to buy one but I only can expend money on one for the moment. However thanks for this awesome videos
If you are new to TIG welding either are great options they are easy to use and the screen and programs make it easy to set parameters. I would say that the Miller 220 is simpler and it is nice you can just touch the MIG gun trigger or the foot petal and it switches processes. Miller auto-set is also super simple to use, basically you enter your material and it prompts you for the rest. Any other questions please call us or comment here we are happy to help!
The Esab smart Mig is adaptive to the welder and is great for ease of use. It will amp adjust for stick out based on wire diameter and metal thickness Miller hasn’t been able to get that adaptability to my knowledge.
Miller 220 Duty Cycle: MIG 120V 105 A at 19.2 V, 60% duty cycle TIG 120V 130 A at 15.2 V, 40% duty cycle STICK 90 A at 23.6 V, 40% duty cycle (Miller Spec sheet has all of them listed on page 4) cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0252/1176/4789/files/Multimatic220MDX100.pdf?5798 ESAB 205 Duty Cycle: Max Output 235 A / 26.0 V (MIG) 180 A / 27.2 V (Stick) 205 A / 18.2 V (DC TIG) (ESAB Spec sheet has all of the detail on page 2) cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0252/1176/4789/files/REBEL205Specs.pdf?4866
I did hear you mention that the esab had pulse. Does the Miller have pulse? What is the range on the pulse and does it pulse Mig? And there is no AC pulse on these machines correct?.
@@BakersGas why no pulse for aluminum? So much for real thin welding. I'd spend 2 grand on a real Tig machine and drop another grand on my mig and come out ahead
Jim Feaster I personally prefer Miller welders. I've never used ESAB, but I've heard good things. ive also heard they have issues with their booster circuit for 6010. I know the main thing for me is the availability of parts should anything happen. both have similar warranties, but no shops near me carry ESAB. If I have to wait a week for parts to ship, that's money for me.
If you're going to be using TIG function frequently I would choose the ESAB machine. The Lincoln MP 210 is lift start only. It's nice to have high frequency start and AC capable. Also if you're planning on adding a foot pedal to the Lincoln you pretty much have to take the machine apart to add in the control cable for it.
Both look good, esab clearly has the advantage over miller. Now can you do a video on what makes either one of these worth $1000 more than my everlast MTS221STI ? Hell the miller doesn't even come with a tig torch capable of more that 150 amps what a joke lol
Not true. The duty cycle of the machines will be more of a limiting factor and not the torch. Yes, these torches will get warm, but neither of these machines were designed to be placed in a manufacturing environment where they will be seeing continuous arcs that will create that much heat.
would you recommend ESAB 205 or 215 for a novice that does occasional welding but want all options available? 205 kinda pricey but has AC tig not sure if that's worth it. Also reading about people having to repair sometimes freaks me out because I'm not in the US and shipping would be a nightmare
If you do want to get into TIG welding aluminum invest in the 205! If that is not likely the 215 is a great welder and you always add the spoolgun for aluminum
The Miller can do 6010 but not well. We show that in the Multimatic 220 review I will link that video below as well as the spec sheet. ruclips.net/video/AWaEvLKAuW4/видео.html www.bakersgas.com/media/products/MIL907757-specs.pdf
We have a video on both the ESAB and Miller Spoolgun. We have not done a comparison! Good idea we will see if we can make that happen. I will link the spoolgun videos we have below: ruclips.net/video/96DuscLVCGs/видео.html ruclips.net/video/PaW0UjLVYi0/видео.html
why dont they make like a plastic cover that goes up and down or on hinges to cover the face plate with the LCD i wish they did lol. wanna protect that stuff
Miller does have a cover for the 220. Unfortunately ESAB does not have anything at this time. bakersgas.com/products/millermultimatic220protectivecover-301524
@@stirv6462 I'm not sure on yours, but i still haven't heard back from Baker's gas on the possibility of ac pulse setting on mine. Mine does have dc pulse.
As a newer welder you could use either. I would say the Miller would be easier to learn on. Cost is the same however ESAB just announced a $200 rebate on the 205 so that would decrease the cost on that unit. Let us know if you have any other questions. Feel free to call us too! 877-930-5690
Easier is a relevant term, neither of these machines would in any way hold you back, not sure why BG feels the Miller would be "easier" to learn with. Once you have the machine set for any given material, then the learning is between you, the torch and foot pedal. IMHO
@@precisionarc our thought was with Miller the quick set makes it super easy to change processes if you are newer to welding. Also the Miller has less adjustability options which in our opinion makes set up simple and less confusion to someone with less experience. You can learn on both and actually both are simple to use and learn on. If we had to say one is easier it would be Miller.
What is the lowest amps does the ESAB go to? is it 5amps? I already know the miller is 20 amps and it appears that the Sycrowave 210 is a better machine in (tig welding) over both of them.
Rebel is the 5-235 amps..... Dynasty would be the way to go if your looking at TIG only. Dynasty 280 DX with CV output would be the closest comparison to a multimatic machine that would be superior. Higher price point for sure on that.
@@jakeedison6779 I own miller,Lincoln equipment.I am not into NEVERLAST but I really have no reason to buy a Miller welder that is overpriced when all its components come from China! How do I know this My Miller 175 Mig welder I updated it for spool gun use well the main board and other said MADE IN CHINA MILLER IS NO LONGER AMERICAN MADE WHICH WAS THE REASON I PURCHASED IT.I am not yelling at you but it was a big disappointment for me!
I cannot believe that the miller 220 is 4100$ now.. Id feel much more comfortable getting a different brand at this point due to that ridiculous price…
Yes you can you have to buy your water cooler and hoses. That's a pretty simple deal you can actually build your own water cooler way deeper than you can buy them
Sorry to burst the bubble but the South Carolina plant has been closed for a while. The rebels are built in China and was engineered by an Indian firm setup in Maryland.
What do you mean by "true high frequency"? If you mean discrete contact points, I would say those are much less reliable than an electronic ignition (cap dump) system.
Yes that's what I meant about my high frequency description.. Not once did I have any issues with my Miller or Lincoln tig's that used points. Must be you.
A welding machine rated for 200 amps most of the times comes with two plugs, 110 and 220, The110v will give you 50-60% capabilities and plugging it to the 220v outlet will give you the 100%, so yes is advantage to plug a machine on 220v. If you have access to 110v only l recommend a 20A breaker
@@BakersGas Too bad....it has become nearly impossible to buy anything made in the USA anymore. Everyone wants a lower cost and every company wants a bigger margin - inevitable result I guess.
i cant tell you how aggravated i was.. i bought a rebel 215 about 6 months before the 205 ac dc came out. i definitely would have bought that one for the extra $1200... easier having everything in one. about 8 months in something malfunctioned in my rebel. i called esab at 8 pm and they walked me through troubleshooting on the phone. couldnt fix it, they over nighted one, but sent me the entire package i bought. i called them again, they said just send back the power supply and keep the extras as spares! i couldnt be happier truthfully, the rebel can definitely take a pounding!
Glad that ESAB was able to make it right with you! They stand behind the product and 100% 100 day satisfaction is hard to beat enjoy the machine!
That’s outstanding. Glad to hear they took care of you.
Bakersgas is just AWESOME! I ordered a weld kit for college. They were out of stock and i needed it in a day and half. They overnighted (i selected that option) the individual pieces to make the kit and upgraded a couple pieces for me! Their knowledge, kindness, and service is absolutely amazing! Great company!
Thank you for the feedback! We appreciate it! Let us know if you need anything else.
THANKS!!! I'm that much closer to buying the rebel! Waiting for the rest of the review before I pull the trigger! It will be form Baker Gas because of your informative reviews! Thanks again!
Thanks for watching!
Ukau did you get the rebel and do you like it I'm in the market for a welder and I'm on the fence between the miller 220 and the esab 205 what do you think
Esab 205 all the way !! had it for a year now definitely glad I went esab the flexibility on Ac is killer castings to pop cans it will do it and make it easy..
Awesome thanks for the feedback Tim! Glad you are happy with your Rebel!
Thanks. 220 on order from Baker's. It gets my vote as a multi process machine should effortlessly switch processes. Pull trigger and go or push pedal and go. Great feature!
Thanks for watching and for the order Kenneth! Appreciate your support!
Just wish your shipping department was better. Placed three separate orders and none of them have shipped. I'm guessing your 'ships in 3-5 business days' was overly optimistic. Not a happy customer.@@BakersGas
@@kenethsoberano we are shipping the 220's as fast as we are receiving them from Miller! The delay on the Arc Station order was that Miller discontinued the clamps. I will send you an email as well to follow up we want you to be happy! :)
This was you about 3 years ago and if you bought the Miller, you're probably are knocking your head against the wall for not looking for a better option... An HTP Pro Pulse 220 is better than any Miller or an Esab and it can weld Mig/Mag Aluminum! Plus Silicon Bronze, Tig and Stick 6010 and beyond for about 2K
@@Phoenix-One0922 Nope. The Miller 220 AC/DC has worked flawlessly. Zero regrets from me or my buddies that have also bought one after seeing mine.
My Miller Fried Out after two years, it cost more to fix that to buy a new Welder. So I bought a ESAB Rebel 205ic. So far so good.
I bought my husband the Multimatic and he loves it!
I love my new Miller tig welder, 210 sync wave, I have never owned a new Miller and it was the best birthday present I ever received, I'm now a metal artist and 70 years old and need a new helmet to go with my Welder. Peace & Love sparky's. David
Glad to see ESAB is about to finally release the Rebel 205 AC/DC. A long time coming. Looks like a fantastic machine.
Yes finally in stock!
we just purchased 10 ESAB 285 units. I am beyond pleased. This unit is a performer!! My only complaint is the Tweeco gun. The adapter needed for the remote is cheap. That's a Tweeco problem in my opinion. ESAB hooked me up with other gun options where I dont need the adapter. ONE IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER- The processor used on the ESAB is the same used by TESLA. Miller has gone with a Chinese company I'm told. Tesla is the dominant customer which is why we have to wait when ordering the units.
Thanks for sharing your experience! Glad the Rebel 285 units are working for you!!
You mean the Tesla processor that is made in Taiwan?
I do think the ESAB has more flexibility, but is it really flexibility I need regularly if ever? I think the millers ability to switch processes so easily with tapping the mig trigger or tig foot pedal is greatly underrated!! That is a huge feature on a multi process machine.
Yes for sure switching processes is super simple on the 220! Also when you connect a Spoolgun it auto recognizes which is pretty cool too! If you have any questions on either please let us know.
Thanks, I always enjoy a good side-by-side review.
When he talked about the weight, I can't help but remember Jurassic Park "Is it heavy? Then its expensive!"
That’s very true though
Esab comes out ahead imo, I just picked up an Esab emp235ic. Next will be a dedicated Tig machine with AC/DC pulse.
how loud is your emp235? is the fan always on?
Wow I have been looking at getting the Miller 220 for a while maybe I'll look into the esab
Love the Miller Multimatic ACDC 220
I’ll go with the brand I trust and comfortably using it every day, of course Miller
I wanted a new machine after using xmt's and dynasties for years, can't believe I'm sold on yellow. Everytime I get on a newer Miller I have to turn off all that auto set crap. Very informative video and I love that ln25 form factor looks like I can throw a strap around my shoulder and carry it to the top of a tower. Just hope it lasts for decades like the Millers do
Check the reviews on ESAB not a great machine.
customer service and parts availability alone makes it a no brainer to choose miller.
I'll continue to buy Miller for this one reason - I have a 50 year old machine that I can still buy parts for. Miller has proven they stand behind their products for the long term. I don't dislike ESAB, but I'm sticking with blue.
I drink miller, weld with a Lincoln, and Esab has my back!
@@josegusman602 our ESAB rep says..... "Drink Miller, Drive a Lincoln, and weld with ESAB" haha
Yes Miller is awesome! Customer service is fantastic and they have proven quality over the years. Thanks for watching.
@@josegusman602 well of course you would drink to have those... kidding, they are quality brands.
@@BakersGas to the point I spent my 3k and bought the 220. Thanks for helping with the decision
Lots of Miller folks around. I have never even seen let alone tried a Miller welder but with the likes of Fronius, EWM and the likes, Miller aren't very common here in Germany. I'd still love to try one some day :)
Thanks for this video, waiting to see part deux!
I'm new to welding as a hobby but possibly could turn into more as I'm an hvac technician in NYC I've had an amico arc-165 stick only for 5 years but only starting really practicing recently arriving today is a amico cts-200 which is stick/tig/plasma cutter.
If I'm still into it I'll treat myself to something nice like the miller multimatic 215 235 or this 220 multiprocess unit
I'm using it to fit schedule 40 black pipe
Hello guys. I’m curious to know why is it the Miller 220 ac/dc has such a hard time with the 6010 rods vs the Rebel 205’s could care less attitude? I mean it is such a common rod why would Miller allow that deficiency? I’m in the market for one of these two machines but don’t know if that particular point makes it a deal breaker for the Miller. Thanks in advance!
Thanks for the comment. We do not have an answer as to why the Miller does not run it well. As you seen it will do it they just do not recommend it. If you will be stick welding 6010 with any frequency definitely a big factor and reason to go Rebel. If you want to call or email us we can help you make a decision best for your application.
A drip is a droplet of water falling from top to bottom under only the force of gravity.
A spray is a particulated mist of pressurized water droplets traveling with enough force to overcome gravity; and is often, but not always traveling opposite or perpendicular to gravity.
The more ya know, ya know?
I was kind of hoping for more info between them and welding. Hoping the video you mention with welding head to head coming soon. Also you mentioned in the last Esab video that you weren't a fan of their MIG gun. Could you go more into accessory differences and upgrade options? Thanks for the great video series on this. The automatic setting features on the Miller are interesting as a hobbyist but I am impressed with the wider range of capabilities of the ESAB unit and leaning that way.
Joe -- thanks for watching we appreciate it! We did make a video going into depth on both of the machines. I will link them below for you in case you didn't see them. As far as the MIG gun Andrew just personally does not prefer that style/not used to using that MIG gun. Its not bad just an opinion. We do have another video coming soon! I will put in the request for a video on the accessory option for both good idea!
Love all the videos and the great info
Never thought I'd say this, ESAB is the way I'd go.
Thanks for watching!!! We agree great unit!
Your videos sold me on the esab man.
Billy Famine I have the 205, the machine is amazing.
Love my esab machine now. Think they will get my business on 2nd welder as well unless I get an engine drive for portability
Thanks for watching!
I’m sure the ESAB is a good machine (possibly better) but for the same price as the Miller? Any welding supply will have parts/service for a Miller and that kinda seals the deal in my opinion.
Can’t wait to use mine! Just ordered it from baker!
Thanks for getting back
Are you able to hook up a 15ft mig lead to either of them makes a big difference vs the standard 10ft leads
Hey Andrew with Bakers gas, it's not that big a deal about breaking a dense connector but how would you go about hooking up a water cooled torch to the Miller with the gas flow through dense???
Send us an email! support@bakersgas.com and we will send you the details
Thanks, very informative. Miller does have a strong name ESAB does looks like a good product.
Hi Bakers,
Love your review. This machine is not available in Australia, so I am trying to bring one from a Bakers store. I need to know which store to ring and if you will ship to Australia. All payment will be done by PayPal just need to have a reasonable price
Thanks for watching! You can email us a support@bakersgas.com and we can get you international order information
I think there gonna be comming out here soon probably better to buy here for warrenty purposes. Dunno there one with cig now.
Did you end up buying one online. I saw on the internet on an au site, said coming soon 3.5grand in aus. Dont know when there coming out though.
While the ESAB seems like the better option I’m betting that the push from Baker Gas for people to buy it is because they make more on ESAB than Miller! Nothing wrong with pushing some towards a particular brand or model because it’s simply better. Bur it’s sad to push people just based on sales and profits ONLY.
So ya say it struggles with 6010 is that on 110 and 220? Thanks
Thanks man, that was a good one
Thanks for watching!
Sweet! While I’m a Miller man thru and thru(literally) thats a pretty dope box. Just gotta find a retailer that wont jack you around. Like hijack your monies immediately while they pick their butt on shipping you items whenever they feel like it i guess.
I prefer the Miller over ESAB
Does the Miller pulse MIG?
I would like to have either one
I am looking at buying the ESAB 205 I myself
Total Newb question here. I am not a professional, and doubt I will ever try to be. I am looking for something around the homestead, fixing/experimenting on farm implements, welding the occasional art project etc. Mybe even some auto body panel replacement on old vehicles (Mostly rust abatement). I am not looking to "Invest", just making an educated purchase. I am a big fan of Miller. Always have been, but with ESAB coming on the scene a few years back, it intrigues me. Just looking at the build quality of the two units presented, the ESAB case appears flimsy compared to the Miller. But at the end of the day, it is about how it welds. I don't know much about about the problem with 6010 rod on the Miller. Do you consider that a major deal breaker given what I intend to use it for. Seems to me, stick welding will be a major part of what I am going to use it for. Is there a better option in all in one units? (Specifically Miller)
I, too, am a beginner and would like to know this answer.
Hi Gary! Thank you for watching. So if you are going to be using this at home for projects and want an easy quick welding solution. Go with the Miller 220! Miller is great all the way around. From ease of use, warranty, consumables, ect. they are 100% awesome to work with. 6010 is not really a reason not to buy it. You can do it, just not well. I would suggest checking out our other 220 videos if you have not already. The biggest advantage of this multiprocess compared to others is the AC TIG capability. However the Rebel is really popular and performs fantastic. Would not talk you out of that but think Miller might be better for you. Miller will weld great for you every time and it is super easy to switch and use to knock out a quick project. If you have more questions feel free to email or call us we will help you get everything you need.
The intro music and these machine's are great
Thanks for watching!! :)
Thanks for the info. I might try a esab
What if you run the 6010 electrodes on reverse on the miller, like electrode negative and ground positive, that's how we do it in the Caribbean and it works great.
Low penetration and strength but you can weld wide root openings on pipe, we'd get thrown off the job up here if they caught us doing that
Could we see a video welding the 3 process comparation??
Are you wanting to see them both run MIG, TIG and Stick on after another?
@@BakersGas that will be great. I rather miller than any other mark but rebel really weld awesome. I'm trying to buy one but I only can expend money on one for the moment. However thanks for this awesome videos
@@marcosgarcia705 Thanks for watching! When you are ready let us know! We do have 0% interest finance options!
Always tried miller , never got the chance to try a rebel yet
Great comparison!
Does anyone know the Maximum Amperage on the miller 220 with SMAW process???
That crap with the gas running in the hose is nice until it leaks or breaks. I have a Lincoln with that crap hose set up and it broke!
Thanks for the videos
Great comparison information.
Between those 2, which would you recommend to a person just starting to get into Tig?
If you are new to TIG welding either are great options they are easy to use and the screen and programs make it easy to set parameters. I would say that the Miller 220 is simpler and it is nice you can just touch the MIG gun trigger or the foot petal and it switches processes. Miller auto-set is also super simple to use, basically you enter your material and it prompts you for the rest.
Any other questions please call us or comment here we are happy to help!
The Esab smart Mig is adaptive to the welder and is great for ease of use. It will amp adjust for stick out based on wire diameter and metal thickness Miller hasn’t been able to get that adaptability to my knowledge.
ESAB for sure
How do they compare with Duty Cycles?
Miller 220 Duty Cycle:
MIG 120V 105 A at 19.2 V, 60% duty cycle
TIG 120V 130 A at 15.2 V, 40% duty cycle
STICK 90 A at 23.6 V, 40% duty cycle
(Miller Spec sheet has all of them listed on page 4)
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ESAB 205 Duty Cycle:
Max Output
235 A / 26.0 V (MIG)
180 A / 27.2 V (Stick)
205 A / 18.2 V (DC TIG)
(ESAB Spec sheet has all of the detail on page 2)
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Can the Meg gun be upgraded on the Miller?
I've read up saying the miller 220 can't stick weld DC is this true and would thus be a set back or fault for whatever I'm trying to do
The 220 can DC Stick weld not sure where you read that it can not.
Strictly from tig welding capabilities, which one is better?? I thought the tig AC amperage was adjustable on Miller, no?
Ease of use Miller and more adjustability on the ESAB. Yes the Miller you can adjust the AC amperage.
Would you know what finger control tig torch would work best on the Miller multimatic 220?
bakersgas.com/products/miller-151086
or
bakersgas.com/products/miller-43688
Tig Button. Look it up.
I did hear you mention that the esab had pulse. Does the Miller have pulse? What is the range on the pulse and does it pulse Mig? And there is no AC pulse on these machines correct?.
Yes Miller also has pulse and it is 150 pulses per second max and the ESAB is up to 500 pulses per second. Both are pulse DC only.
@@BakersGas thx
@@BakersGas why no pulse for aluminum? So much for real thin welding. I'd spend 2 grand on a real Tig machine and drop another grand on my mig and come out ahead
@@chrisjones6165 im starting to think thats the way to do it too
@@tomthompson7400 then if a machine is down u have a back up. Here ur just down
What’s the lowest amp the Esab goes down to
Great video once again what do you
Think the portable
Miller welder you
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Actually better value ?
Jim Feaster I personally prefer Miller welders. I've never used ESAB, but I've heard good things. ive also heard they have issues with their booster circuit for 6010.
I know the main thing for me is the availability of parts should anything happen. both have similar warranties, but no shops near me carry ESAB. If I have to wait a week for parts to ship, that's money for me.
Do you mean the Miller Multimatic 215 vs the 220?
6010 is fine. My older emp 215 also ran 6010 with ease.
Great review!
Thanks for watching!
Very nice Esab rebel
I'd like to see the ESAB 205 vs. The Lincoln 210
If you're going to be using TIG function frequently I would choose the ESAB machine. The Lincoln MP 210 is lift start only. It's nice to have high frequency start and AC capable. Also if you're planning on adding a foot pedal to the Lincoln you pretty much have to take the machine apart to add in the control cable for it.
Great video! My preference would be the Miller.
Thanks for watching!!
Both look good, esab clearly has the advantage over miller. Now can you do a video on what makes either one of these worth $1000 more than my everlast MTS221STI ? Hell the miller doesn't even come with a tig torch capable of more that 150 amps what a joke lol
The ESAB comes with a Heliarc HW-17 torch which is also rated at 150A. So what's your point?
@@buckyfan2526 the point is you need to buy different torches to run either esab or miller machines at full power.
Not true. The duty cycle of the machines will be more of a limiting factor and not the torch. Yes, these torches will get warm, but neither of these machines were designed to be placed in a manufacturing environment where they will be seeing continuous arcs that will create that much heat.
would you recommend ESAB 205 or 215 for a novice that does occasional welding but want all options available? 205 kinda pricey but has AC tig not sure if that's worth it. Also reading about people having to repair sometimes freaks me out because I'm not in the US and shipping would be a nightmare
If you do want to get into TIG welding aluminum invest in the 205! If that is not likely the 215 is a great welder and you always add the spoolgun for aluminum
Can the Miller 220 ac/dc handle welding square tubing up to 1/2" thick? *stick welding* 6010
The Miller can do 6010 but not well. We show that in the Multimatic 220 review I will link that video below as well as the spec sheet.
ruclips.net/video/AWaEvLKAuW4/видео.html
www.bakersgas.com/media/products/MIL907757-specs.pdf
Baker's Gas can the esab do 6010 with ease?
@@MrBlackgsxr750 Check out our ESAB 205 video! Yes it will do 6010 (we show it in the video)
ruclips.net/video/a6s1zp6hr5s/видео.html
Have you done a comparison on the spool guns? I’m in the market for a decent machine I can run everything on.
We have a video on both the ESAB and Miller Spoolgun. We have not done a comparison! Good idea we will see if we can make that happen. I will link the spoolgun videos we have below:
ruclips.net/video/96DuscLVCGs/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/PaW0UjLVYi0/видео.html
Can you get a better mig gun for the esab rebel 205 ac/dc unit?
You can upgrade to a more robust gun! Call us and we can help go over the options
why dont they make like a plastic cover that goes up and down or on hinges to cover the face plate with the LCD i wish they did lol. wanna protect that stuff
Miller does have a cover for the 220. Unfortunately ESAB does not have anything at this time.
bakersgas.com/products/millermultimatic220protectivecover-301524
The clear face cover on the Esab removes for replacement. You can use an outer lens and cut down to size in a pinch or order a clear replacement.
Everlast
When will the "pulse" setting in ac be available on the rebel, ESAB??????
I am not sure! We will keep you posted!
Is there any dc pulse tig in the rebel 215ic?
@@stirv6462 I'm not sure on yours, but i still haven't heard back from Baker's gas on the possibility of ac pulse setting on mine. Mine does have dc pulse.
@@blacktopgsr you have the 205 ac/dc and are waiting for ac pulse?
@@stirv6462 yes I'm waiting for AC pulse..
Thanks for the info
Im a newB at tig welding and Im wondering what machine is easier to learn on? What about cost difference?
As a newer welder you could use either. I would say the Miller would be easier to learn on. Cost is the same however ESAB just announced a $200 rebate on the 205 so that would decrease the cost on that unit. Let us know if you have any other questions. Feel free to call us too! 877-930-5690
You learn more if your machine doesn't preset everything for you.
Easier is a relevant term, neither of these machines would in any way hold you back, not sure why BG feels the Miller would be "easier" to learn with. Once you have the machine set for any given material, then the learning is between you, the torch and foot pedal. IMHO
@@precisionarc our thought was with Miller the quick set makes it super easy to change processes if you are newer to welding. Also the Miller has less adjustability options which in our opinion makes set up simple and less confusion to someone with less experience. You can learn on both and actually both are simple to use and learn on. If we had to say one is easier it would be Miller.
@@BakersGas Understood, thanks for the reply
Did the right thing buying the 255 multimatic, for 3000,
What is the lowest amps does the ESAB go to? is it 5amps? I already know the miller is 20 amps and it appears that the Sycrowave 210 is a better machine in (tig welding) over both of them.
Rebel is the 5-235 amps..... Dynasty would be the way to go if your looking at TIG only. Dynasty 280 DX with CV output would be the closest comparison to a multimatic machine that would be superior. Higher price point for sure on that.
@@BakersGas I cannot see buying a Dynasty as a lot of the features on that machine I would not use.I feel MILLER IS overpriced Chinese machine.
@@apacheone3643 Miller machines last and easy to use. Some cheaper machines out there but they are throw away machines.
@@jakeedison6779 I own miller,Lincoln equipment.I am not into NEVERLAST but I really have no reason to buy a Miller welder that is overpriced when all its components come from China!
How do I know this My Miller 175 Mig welder I updated it for spool gun use well the main board and other said MADE IN CHINA MILLER IS NO LONGER AMERICAN MADE WHICH WAS THE REASON I PURCHASED IT.I am not yelling at you but it was a big disappointment for me!
I cannot believe that the miller 220 is 4100$ now.. Id feel much more comfortable getting a different brand at this point due to that ridiculous price…
This esab looks like a good alternative
Cyberweld has them for around $3500 after discounts and rebates fyi
any chance of comparing the "Everlast POWERMTS 221 STI" vs the "ESAB Rebel 205 AC/DC"?
No sorry Nitro we do not represent Everlast sorry!
Can you add Water cooled Torches to either machine? Thanks for the video.
Yes you can you have to buy your water cooler and hoses. That's a pretty simple deal you can actually build your own water cooler way deeper than you can buy them
(Cheaper)
You really would not need a water cooled torch machines are not designed to run hot enough to need it
@@BakersGas what if you normally do aluminum tig welding?
Esab 215 its on my next budget
nearly bought one today ,,, toss up between it and a fronius transsteel ,,, but ive a feeling the 205 here will be the winner
Cool let us know if you have any questions! sMIG is the same on that machine super popular option!
@@tomthompson7400 let us know if you have any questions we are happy to help!
Such a nice miller welder!
Yes I like both of them
Esab by far ...the best on the market..2nd htp pro puls 200 also a well build machine.
Im buying one Esabpppp!!!!
Thanks for watching!
There seem to be some issues with these esabs not lasting, puts me way off
Would I be able to plug my CK torches straight into the Rebel 205?
No you would have to call CK to see if there is an adapter. You could use 17 series CK consumables if you wanted to.
You can just need to buy the connector
But can the ESAB do AC Tig?
The one that they are showing (esab 205ic) can
Very helpful!
I'd still rather be with a dynasty if I'm hitting ac tig
Cha-ching !
Dynasty is the way to go...
for every one's info esab is a swedish company the machines are built in Union county South Carolina
Sorry to burst the bubble but the South Carolina plant has been closed for a while. The rebels are built in China and was engineered by an Indian firm setup in Maryland.
@@jeffdaigle9479 chickita China the Chinese chicken?😕
@@jeffdaigle9479 Do you know the name of the company in maryland, I thought I heard that before to?
@@primeclickllc8123 I do not unfortunately....I know they have an office building but I didn't actually know the name of it, sorry.
Plzzzzzzzz how about esab 285 vs miller 255 multimatic.
Sure we will try to help. Biggest difference is really that the Miller has pulse MIG and the screen/interface is different.
Eyeing the ESAB ...
What kind of high frequency start does the rebel have? a capacitor dump, or true high frequency?
True high frequency start
Cool thank you! The miller has the cap dump. Go ESAB!
What do you mean by "true high frequency"? If you mean discrete contact points, I would say those are much less reliable than an electronic ignition (cap dump) system.
Yes that's what I meant about my high frequency description.. Not once did I have any issues with my Miller or Lincoln tig's that used points. Must be you.
Everyone is going electronic.
But neither has ac pulse? Everlast for me. It's even cheaper and has more features.
Miller has a new Multimatic with Pulse but it does not have AC Tig.
Will rather unit have a Black Friday sale. Great information
Yes we always have a good deal going! Email us when your ready support@bakersgas.com
I would like to see the esab go up against the everlast
The ESAB 205 is now shipping finally!
Ok
like a ferrari Vs a indian TaTa .........
Its an old comment i got a Lincoln ranger 9 and the whole ln25 and spool gun to go with it
esab has my vote
Is there an advantage of 220v over 110v?
A welding machine rated for 200 amps most of the times comes with two plugs, 110 and 220,
The110v will give you 50-60% capabilities and plugging it to the 220v outlet will give you the 100%, so yes is advantage to plug a machine on 220v. If you have access to 110v only l recommend a 20A breaker
Where are the ESAB machines manufactured?
They are designed here in the US and ESAB ships out of Denton Texas. They are manufactured in China.
@@BakersGas Too bad....it has become nearly impossible to buy anything made in the USA anymore.
Everyone wants a lower cost and every company wants a bigger margin - inevitable result I guess.
@@Factory400 Just wait till the supply chains break further.