I worked for a large Indian company. It’s a very Indian attitude to just think everything is fine and will be ok. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a good thing to have a positive outlook on life, but this should be tempered with real world planning.
Nice of you to paint 1.4 Billion of us with the same brush. I worked for a large American company for years. The culture(and it's a huge allowance from my side to call the environment that) was toxic, my manager was a micromanaging piece of shit and his boss was an ignoramus of the highest order who was a rubber stamp. I quit after a couple of years and am having the time of my life in an Indian startup. But do I think that all Americans are like that? Nope.
@@gumnaamaadmi007 You have that typical Indian attitude so you should have never worked for any American company. Those Indian pilots are also having the time of their life in India right now, until one day hundreds of people will be dead when the plane crashes.
You couldn't have said it better. Indians do have a tendency to leave everything upon God and karma. (I'm an Indian btw, so I'd know). And now they've done it with a commercial airliner. Can we get any more careless? Do better India.
I was operating to Jaipur at this time. There was no CAT III here, but these guys tried to use it, but with a manual landing. They should have let the AP do the landing and worried about it later. They were trying to cover their asses. I would've declared an emergency, and let the AP do its best for a CATIII with my finger hovering above the AP Disc button.
Lol! Bharat mein aap ka swaagat hai!🙏🏼 Welcome to India! . We are the place.. where even atheists become believers! They too are like, he'll no! This thing (the country, the whole of South Asia actually) can only still be around (and not annihilate itself.. due to some supernatural entity!😅 . Thank you for sharing what you might have done as a cockpit crew... had you been pinned against the wall in such a crazy situation.
Thank you! Although having a crash video on a flight originating from my home airport (GAU) is not something I ever aspired to see, but it still feels good to have the crash covered.
I hope you guys have good train connections into Guwahati! EDIT: Oh crap, I just now researched how far New Delhi is from Guwahati! Train ride of about 34 hours! I understand better now.
Thanks for making this video for us!! I’m dumbfounded at how irresponsible it seems everyone involved in this flight was! The most shocking thing bout this flight was not how they landed but how people were able to walk away from such a badly executed flight! Hopefully this incident caused some major changes in all departments.
If this incident had caused some major changes in all departments then you would had heard about it in the international breaking news. India is a failed country.
@@pantherleo3261 If a country loses its respect from the people around the world then it is 100 percent a failed country. India will always remain a failed country because of zero major changes.
The buck stops with the captain. Irrespective of failures at other levels, it is just not acceptable that a captain allows his airplane to land up in such a horrible situation. The safety of the airplane and passengers is the ultimate responsibility of the captain. Air India is one carrier which has had the maximum number of accidents and incidents in Indian aviation, and I do sincerely hope that with the Tatas taking over this decrepit and ramshackle behemoth, things will be set right again soon.
agreed. the pilot knew better, he just didn’t care to correct the errors. the pilot, co pilot, ATC, and many others had more than enough time to correct the fuck ups. the crew is just trying to put all of the blame on ATC and the airline by acting like their hands were tied
There was no mention of any operational runway lights during the poor weather and also I’m suprised that there would be a tree so close to the runway for the plane’s wing to collide into.
I mean, it just reeks of institutional laziness and incompetence. Everything from the airline not rostering a captain with suitably up-to-date training for Cat3 landings, the pilots not doing the flight plan - and guestimating the amount of fuel to load - ultimately forcing a landing in very suboptimal weather, the various ATCs en route which either assumed somebody else had given weather info - or just couldn't be bothered - the pilots themselves also failing to make adequate and timely enquiries about the same and a lack of skill and focus to achieve the landing that was ultimately required, including the twitch on the sidestick causing the plane to roll left which, at that point was at a distance where even an apparently minute variance with the approach direction can take the plane off the runway. Finally, it seems very likely that cost to the airline was considered and perhaps even more so, the inconvenience (for the passengers but most of all, to themselves, the flight crew) of diverting to Lucknow fed into their decision-making. I see from some other Comments that the airline now has new owners which, if so, is an opportunity for all processes to be looked at with a fresh set of eyes and for areas of weakness to be identified and suitable changes implemented.... Yet another reason I get quite annoyed by various smooth, suave and charming (albeit in fairness to them, I am sure highly qualified, experienced and professional!) epauletted characters on RUclips who coo reassuringly about how "we're trained for that". The frequency with which one can view on aviation-related sites, astounding examples of pure slapdashery tells me differently.....
Anyone else think, "Wait, New Dehli, Lucknow airport, diversions due to awful visibility -- this must be a re-upload -- perhaps to correct an error?" before he mentioned the SpiceJet incident? "Oh yeah, and this is the "sequel" with the other plane!"
Same here. Just that the departure airport did not feel right. And I was not disappointed. No wonder SpiceJet and the other private airlines have taken quite some market share from Air India. Having used them domestically, I am still asking myself why I should do this again.
The difference of skill of almost everyone involved in this flight is immensely contrasted by the incredible amount of skill of everyone involved with the Jet Airways flight that almost crashed because of this flight (the previous video). Astounding
Thanks for uploading this as a companion video to the SpiceJet 256 video. I was curious but somehow not surprised at how that aircraft ended up where it was. Glad no fatalities were the result of the issues causing this incident.
A friend of mine who is a retired Marine with 30,000+ hours in multi engine and rotary wing. he’s always included over 10 years as a commercial airline pilot. Years ago, he gave a check flight to a retired Indian army helicopter pilot who claimed 5000 hours. Sadly, on one of his first tour helicopter flights, that flight pilot flew his helicopter with a half dozen passengers into a canyon wall, killing all on board. although he seemed fully qualified, he failed to account for treacherous winds coming in our Hawaii mountains and valleys. He says the Indian pilot should’ve climbed straight up, before trying to cross the steep valley walls. He was shaking his head for the rest of his life. The only fatality where he was a coworker of the pilot.
This was/is a company culture problem that starts at the head, and trickles down. If the head isn't healthy, neither will be the rest of the body. Because CAT II/III approaches are *only* performed in near zero visibility, there are really no visual cues that can be relied upon. Therefore, only the flight director can be used by the pilot to guide the plane in. Had the capt. done that, he would have landed on the runway. Also, only the Captain is permitted fly CAT II/III approaches, and only if he/she has the required special training. All of those factors must be considered during flight planning, and in this case, the flight crew was completely inappropriate for this flight.
Ma'am/Sir, unsure if you have ever been in India, but I have lived most of my life in India. It isn't just the company culture alone... but the typical 'desi' (South Asian) culture. The 'it's okay' (chalta hai) attitude. . Just to quote an example outside of aviation. . We are now more than two decades into the twenty-first century. . But God forbid if something untoward happens to someone and the investigative agencies are brought in into the picture.. ... then whatever forensic investigations or routine investigations they (police, crime branch, CBI) do... ... even a toddler/ one year old kid would laugh at it. . Because even a casual viewer of Crime shows on T.V. or a kindergarten kid would do a better job of not accidentally destroying evidence or completely missing it. . Coupled with that... the general psyche of 'fait accompli'... results in EVERYone giving a damn about EVERYthing. . Again.. an example outside of aviation. . Senior citizen members within my own family... wouldn't wear the phucking seat belt...even when they themselves are driving a passenger car. Ditto with high-handed drivers of top police personnel or local politicians. . . And if anyone thinks that errant people in our erstwhile national carrier (Air India) would even be reprimanded... then you couldn't be more wrong. . . Forget getting even a rap on the knuckles... unless some toothless tiger like the 'Directorate General of Civil Aviation' in India wakes up... the company/airline would merrily continue pretending as if nothing has happened. . Air India (when owned by the state)... would eventually even promote or prop up cockpit crew/ captains who took their families for free.. on intercontinental flights... by putting their families up in the 'first class'.
Geez, even I check the weather and I'm a gardener, not a pilot. I read the METAR for pilots too and, whenever I get on a plane as a passenger, I always check the weather en route, not that I can do anything about it but because I'd like to know. Hell, I look at the weather en route for flights other people I know are on. I wonder whether the pilots of all these flights were just burnt out with their jobs. It can happen to anyone but it's worse when you work in a safety-critical job, some of which I have also held, albeit sadly only on the ground on various emergencies crews.
I thought I was the rare one who did all this. Sometimes, I reschedule my trips if weather looks bad. I look at satellite weather mostly. Checking the areas of green, blue red etc. Thanks for backing me up.
Who Ever: "some of which I have also held, albeit sadly only on the ground on various emergencies crews" Never be sad about anything about being a member of an emergency crew! The rest of us need you and hopefully respect you for what you do,,,,,,
@@dd_ranchtexas4501 The sad part is getting burnt out over the job. I never got the chance because I crashed a motorcycle and then couldn't lift patients anymore because I ripped off all the ligaments in my shoulder. I tried to become a doctor and got some great grades in college even, but I think that independent minds aren't wanted anywhere until we become existentially necessary and I guess that hasn't happened yet.
First of all, thanks for making the video related to the Spicejet video, I was actually looking forward to this one. Secondly, it takes a series of actions to cause an accident, which is true in this case. Many dropped the ball, and it carried forward until they crashed. Also, while it is good to be efficient, efficiency should never be placed over safety, especially in instances where the lives of others are at play. So, yes, it would've been inefficient and inconvenient to land at Lucknow, but which is better: to land at a further airport and escape without damage or injury to plane and passengers, or land at the closer airport, and damage your plane? While I'm thankful that everyone was able to come out of this alive, this accident could've been avoided. Don't think we need another Tenerife to happen in the name of efficiency.
I am not a pilot, but even I would check my routes including alternate ones on Google maps ahead of any long road trip. What the hell was wrong with these pilots? Frustrating.
“Honey, let’s drive to your parents house. There’s a very good possibility a snow storm will hamper our trip and close the road, so let’s fill our tank up half way just to be safe”.
It makes me wonder if India is waiting for a Tenerife class disaster to happen to straighten up their act. Between procedural failures, badly trained pilots and ill equipped airplanes most of them avoidable with little money and a lot of seriousness I am not sure what kind of circus they seem to be running. This machines "fly", they are not buses, a small mistake, a skip in procedures have high chances of leading to a major disaster. In this case the captain is the one to be blamed, even if the other parties made grossly mistakes for which I hope they've been at least scolded although I don't think they've been made aware. There are many other countries which don't take this matters seriously either but India has a traffic density few of this other countries match. This kind of complacency, to put it in civil words, is inadmissible.
India politicians ( few rouges)always interfere with administration of sincere govt officers, and put incompetent guys at various levels based on caste and other reservations policies. This compromises safety.also. My dad (engineer) was a victim and decided to quit the govt job at age of 38, after few years of fight and became a private entrepreneur. You can't fight corruption and vote bank based on caste. So the cream of talents leave India after education for abroad, due to caste implications systems.
@@killerdove123 if anyone can do it, it’s the house of Tatas. They definitely have everything and all the experience to turn Air India around to be the pride of India like it once was. It’s a long and challenging road but they’ll get there.
I have a suggestion for you. You should remake your older videos with simulations rather than footage of the aircraft. A lot of your older videos cover a lot of very interesting air crash investigations however, in your newer videos the simulations make it more immersing and paint a better picture of the accident. Keep up the good work, your videos are very interesting and I learnt a about aircraft just from watching you.
Can you make a video about that one time when a Tu-134 landed at Odessa at 415km/h (224knts), where the crew violated landing procedures and broke the record for the highest civil aircraft landing speed?
@@Capecodham Autopilot, which at the time was flying the approach down to the runway, probably using the ILS (instrument landing system, it lets planes know where the runway is when you can’t see anything)
3:32 to be perfectly correct, there is no such thing as a minimum decision altitude. It’s decision altitude for precision (ILS/MLS) approaches, mor often used as decision height if it’s CAT II or III ILS approach, and it’s the altitude/height where the pilots decide whether to continue with the landing, or go around. For non-precision approaches (LOC only, VOR, NDB, RNAV/RNP), it’s minimum descent altitude/height, and it’s not the point where you decide if you’re gonna land, you have to make the decision earlier so that you don’t descend below that altitude
As a rule, whenever I board an Indian aircraft, I ask the air hostesses (who are standing within an earshot of the pilot) if they have enough fuel + some more to carry the entire trip.
India is.... India. They do things their way. I love the place but I always took the Train. When my pal broke his leg he flew to Thailand before going to hospital. Another friend DID use Indian Airlines, but he always ate Opium before take off. If I read of an incident where there was a gear failure due to the guy in the wheel well going to sleep and not pulling a string when he saw the ground I would just nod my head and think yeah, they wouldn't let a broken hydraulic line take an aircraft out of service.
Recently watching all these videos really made me wonder how much harder it must have been to fly back in the day. Always knew that flying requires peak human performances in civil aviation let alone military but never pondered on the thought as much. Its really insane what humans can do.
I know that fog cause the poor visibility but the other video said that the city of New Delhi has a problem with smog also, maybe clean up the smog? That might help with the visibility a little.
After reading many crash investigation across the globe. My suggestion as a layman would be to have a ATC bunker (lower profile 1 feet glass cube just to put the head out/ camera) at the end ( 5-10secs before the runway end) of each active runway to see it the actually took off or aborted take off, aligned or misaligned, tyres bursted or not while take off, and tell the pilots in real time to go around etc or work in tandem with the tower when visibility is poor or CAT III landings are in Queue.. The pilots and the ATC - towers are not able to physically verify the relative position of the aircraft when it is few 100meters from the end of the runway. I mean to say some bold team should be close to the runway like they are aboard the Navy aircraft carriers. Say within 50-75 feet offset to the runway end . I could be wrong with something here or funny , but not a bad idea to have some guy at end to warn the pilot within a sec or two when it's CAT III or even a clear day if fuel is leaking or sprays out.
Irrespective of all other unpardonanle failures, the Capt should NOT have disconnected his autopilot on the ILS especially in almost ZERO visibility. This is an aggravated emergency situation. I would have kept the AP on till about 50 feet above runway..An extreme miracle that no one was injured though the airplane was written off.
Seems like all of these accidents are caused by cultural differences. I work in the IT industry. There is a reason things are so cocked up, IT-wise here in the US. Everyone outsources their work to India.
I am not a pilot. That said, I would think if you are landing a plane is near zero visibility, you would be glued to watching the glide path and localizer. Would those not put you on the end of the runway? Even if the flying pilot did not see he was drifting to left, would not the monitoring pilot be watching those like a hawk to ensure they are on the right path horizontally and vertically to the runway? Is it that difficult?
Yeah but the fact they were in the position to need to land or crash on go around is the issue. It should have never got to that point. They did get it down in zero visibility though.
It never should have come close to the situation they had. That's the reason most places have systems to avoid this sort of thing. This never should have occurred. The pilot and flight crew made mistakes that they never should have made (disconnecting AP on a 0V landing, running so short of fuel that the alt was undoable.) They were lucky.
8:40 I'd say they just half arsed did the cross-checks and didn't write down anything during the flight because too lazy. But I can't rule out they were lying...
Why you didn't show the image of the plane wing slicing through the trees and just showed the plane veering left and no trees to the left obstructing the path to the left of the plane and the plane's wings sawing through them?
The airline set them up to fail. And the overall standards of information sharing in India. It's a bad look from top to bottom. I'm certainly never flying in India lol How do you fix *all* that?
Popes have been known to kiss the ground upon exiting the plane. After all, it WAS Alitalia (now defunct). If they had flown Air India … … kissing the ground would not have done anything! Building a monastery might have been enough for some, but stuff like this landing is more of the “build a huge cathedral .. or 3” type.
It sounds like there were a lot of incompetent people involved, plenty of blame to spread around. I hope that a number of employees were fired. They were so fortunate that there was no loss of life.
Ever wonder why you suspect a scam and you get a number to call and it is someone who speaks English with an Indian accent from India? I'm not a raciest, I'm German, French and Japanese so I'm the last person to be a raciest. At a young age I worked at at an American restaurant owned by people from India, one day I dropped a piece of chicken and was about to through it away when the boss told me to just drop it in the fryer. I did what I was told but quit the next day. I guess that they don't like to follow a lot of rules and regulations.
I worked for a large Indian company. It’s a very Indian attitude to just think everything is fine and will be ok.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s a good thing to have a positive outlook on life, but this should be tempered with real world planning.
As an Indian i agree with you.. we have been paralysed by our mindset in every field.. change is due..
Nice of you to paint 1.4 Billion of us with the same brush. I worked for a large American company for years. The culture(and it's a huge allowance from my side to call the environment that) was toxic, my manager was a micromanaging piece of shit and his boss was an ignoramus of the highest order who was a rubber stamp. I quit after a couple of years and am having the time of my life in an Indian startup. But do I think that all Americans are like that? Nope.
@@gumnaamaadmi007 You have that typical Indian attitude so you should have never worked for any American company.
Those Indian pilots are also having the time of their life in India right now, until one day hundreds of people will be dead when the plane crashes.
I.T. projects are affected by this culture.
You couldn't have said it better. Indians do have a tendency to leave everything upon God and karma. (I'm an Indian btw, so I'd know). And now they've done it with a commercial airliner. Can we get any more careless? Do better India.
I was operating to Jaipur at this time. There was no CAT III here, but these guys tried to use it, but with a manual landing. They should have let the AP do the landing and worried about it later. They were trying to cover their asses. I would've declared an emergency, and let the AP do its best for a CATIII with my finger hovering above the AP Disc button.
Lol!
Bharat mein aap ka swaagat hai!🙏🏼
Welcome to India!
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We are the place.. where even atheists become believers!
They too are like, he'll no! This thing (the country, the whole of South Asia actually) can only still be around (and not annihilate itself.. due to some supernatural entity!😅
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Thank you for sharing what you might have done as a cockpit crew... had you been pinned against the wall in such a crazy situation.
@@sailaab Haha. It's a crazy place but I like India very much. Hope to be back in a month or so with Indian Wife.
You mean cat III full auto land?
@@phantomf41 CAT IIIB, full autoland, min RVR 50metres.
yea exactly, i just don’t get why they dsc ap, they could have easily landed with auto land
"The sea was angry that day my friends, like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli."
Thank you! Although having a crash video on a flight originating from my home airport (GAU) is not something I ever aspired to see, but it still feels good to have the crash covered.
As another person with Guwahati as my home airport, I share your thoughts 🙂
I hope you guys have good train connections into Guwahati!
EDIT: Oh crap, I just now researched how far New Delhi is from Guwahati! Train ride of about 34 hours! I understand better now.
Another one
@@SaugotChowdhury Flrgitne sans blah con hugnetsh gutless dugrenesh bullshittish flrthing quantnkik viktutuntutialick.
Thanks for making this video for us!!
I’m dumbfounded at how irresponsible it seems everyone involved in this flight was! The most shocking thing bout this flight was not how they landed but how people were able to walk away from such a badly executed flight!
Hopefully this incident caused some major changes in all departments.
If this incident had caused some major changes in all departments then you would had heard about it in the international breaking news.
India is a failed country.
@@giyanvice The handling was indeed atrocious, but to call India a failure is absurd.
School shootings in the US happen on a WAY larger frequency that aviation incidents in India. I guess the US is a failed country too.
@@pantherleo3261 If a country loses its respect from the people around the world then it is 100 percent a failed country.
India will always remain a failed country because of zero major changes.
@@giyanvice Looks like you are speaking without experience. Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion. That does not make it a fact.
I only realized at 5:00 that this was the follow up to the Spice jet episode.. wow you are fast!
If I ever go to India I hope I remind myself that their TRAIN system is very comprehensive , safe and COMPETENT!!!
Maybe even safer than air travel. Seriously, someone needs to do this comparison for India specially.
The buck stops with the captain. Irrespective of failures at other levels, it is just not acceptable that a captain allows his airplane to land up in such a horrible situation. The safety of the airplane and passengers is the ultimate responsibility of the captain. Air India is one carrier which has had the maximum number of accidents and incidents in Indian aviation, and I do sincerely hope that with the Tatas taking over this decrepit and ramshackle behemoth, things will be set right again soon.
agreed. the pilot knew better, he just didn’t care to correct the errors. the pilot, co pilot, ATC, and many others had more than enough time to correct the fuck ups. the crew is just trying to put all of the blame on ATC and the airline by acting like their hands were tied
There was no mention of any operational runway lights during the poor weather and also I’m suprised that there would be a tree so close to the runway for the plane’s wing to collide into.
These pilots failed miserably!
I mean, it just reeks of institutional laziness and incompetence. Everything from the airline not rostering a captain with suitably up-to-date training for Cat3 landings, the pilots not doing the flight plan - and guestimating the amount of fuel to load - ultimately forcing a landing in very suboptimal weather, the various ATCs en route which either assumed somebody else had given weather info - or just couldn't be bothered - the pilots themselves also failing to make adequate and timely enquiries about the same and a lack of skill and focus to achieve the landing that was ultimately required, including the twitch on the sidestick causing the plane to roll left which, at that point was at a distance where even an apparently minute variance with the approach direction can take the plane off the runway. Finally, it seems very likely that cost to the airline was considered and perhaps even more so, the inconvenience (for the passengers but most of all, to themselves, the flight crew) of diverting to Lucknow fed into their decision-making. I see from some other Comments that the airline now has new owners which, if so, is an opportunity for all processes to be looked at with a fresh set of eyes and for areas of weakness to be identified and suitable changes implemented....
Yet another reason I get quite annoyed by various smooth, suave and charming (albeit in fairness to them, I am sure highly qualified, experienced and professional!) epauletted characters on RUclips who coo reassuringly about how "we're trained for that". The frequency with which one can view on aviation-related sites, astounding examples of pure slapdashery tells me differently.....
Welcome to India.
I agree, and I also hope the new owners follow best practices and foster a proper safety culture at this airline
Agree 💯%
@@feynthefallen Sad but true.
This video is a guide into India and the Indian lifestyle.
India is a failed country.
Anyone else think, "Wait, New Dehli, Lucknow airport, diversions due to awful visibility -- this must be a re-upload -- perhaps to correct an error?" before he mentioned the SpiceJet incident? "Oh yeah, and this is the "sequel" with the other plane!"
Prequel. 😏
Same here. Just that the departure airport did not feel right. And I was not disappointed.
No wonder SpiceJet and the other private airlines have taken quite some market share from Air India. Having used them domestically, I am still asking myself why I should do this again.
I am so grateful that you made this video, fren! A lot about this weirded me out. Glad that everyone got out in one piece, though.
weired me ,I think you mean worried me .
Hey, thanks for making this video. Highly appreciated.
I guess it was complacency. "Why check fuel? We all know how much we have. So why bother?"
Basically a "it'll work out, it always has" attitude.
Exactly!!!
The difference of skill of almost everyone involved in this flight is immensely contrasted by the incredible amount of skill of everyone involved with the Jet Airways flight that almost crashed because of this flight (the previous video). Astounding
Do you mean Spicejet ?
Thanks for the follow up
Thanks for uploading this as a companion video to the SpiceJet 256 video. I was curious but somehow not surprised at how that aircraft ended up where it was. Glad no fatalities were the result of the issues causing this incident.
You're the first non-Assamese person to pronounce Guwahati correctly. Kudos to you!
A friend of mine who is a retired Marine with 30,000+ hours in multi engine and rotary wing. he’s always included over 10 years as a commercial airline pilot. Years ago, he gave a check flight to a retired Indian army helicopter pilot who claimed 5000 hours. Sadly, on one of his first tour helicopter flights, that flight pilot flew his helicopter with a half dozen passengers into a canyon wall, killing all on board. although he seemed fully qualified, he failed to account for treacherous winds coming in our Hawaii mountains and valleys. He says the Indian pilot should’ve climbed straight up, before trying to cross the steep valley walls. He was shaking his head for the rest of his life. The only fatality where he was a coworker of the pilot.
On 27 June 1980, Itavia Flight 870 was shot down over tyrenianian sea
Wow, you'r so quick to deliver with this one!
Thank you
I just finished watching the first part when this video aired
Perfect Timing
This was/is a company culture problem that starts at the head, and trickles down. If the head isn't healthy, neither will be the rest of the body.
Because CAT II/III approaches are *only* performed in near zero visibility, there are really no visual cues that can be relied upon. Therefore, only the flight director can be used by the pilot to guide the plane in. Had the capt. done that, he would have landed on the runway.
Also, only the Captain is permitted fly CAT II/III approaches, and only if he/she has the required special training. All of those factors must be considered during flight planning, and in this case, the flight crew was completely inappropriate for this flight.
Ma'am/Sir, unsure if you have ever been in India,
but I have lived most of my life in India.
It isn't just the company culture alone... but the typical 'desi' (South Asian) culture.
The 'it's okay' (chalta hai) attitude.
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Just to quote an example outside of aviation.
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We are now more than two decades into the twenty-first century.
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But God forbid if something untoward happens to someone and the investigative agencies are brought in into the picture..
... then whatever forensic investigations or routine investigations they (police, crime branch, CBI) do...
... even a toddler/ one year old kid would laugh at it.
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Because even a casual viewer of Crime shows on T.V. or a kindergarten kid would do a better job of not accidentally destroying evidence or completely missing it.
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Coupled with that... the general psyche of 'fait accompli'... results in EVERYone giving a damn about EVERYthing.
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Again.. an example outside of aviation.
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Senior citizen members within my own family... wouldn't wear the phucking seat belt...even when they themselves are driving a passenger car.
Ditto with high-handed drivers of top police personnel or local politicians.
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And if anyone thinks that errant people in our erstwhile national carrier (Air India) would even be reprimanded... then you couldn't be more wrong.
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Forget getting even a rap on the knuckles... unless some toothless tiger like the 'Directorate General of Civil Aviation' in India wakes up... the company/airline would merrily continue pretending as if nothing has happened.
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Air India (when owned by the state)... would eventually even promote or prop up cockpit crew/ captains who took their families for free.. on intercontinental flights... by putting their families up in the 'first class'.
Long ago, after traveling in Latin America in the early 80s, I gave up traveling in anything but the "First World" and on First World airlines.
Geez, even I check the weather and I'm a gardener, not a pilot. I read the METAR for pilots too and, whenever I get on a plane as a passenger, I always check the weather en route, not that I can do anything about it but because I'd like to know. Hell, I look at the weather en route for flights other people I know are on. I wonder whether the pilots of all these flights were just burnt out with their jobs. It can happen to anyone but it's worse when you work in a safety-critical job, some of which I have also held, albeit sadly only on the ground on various emergencies crews.
I thought I was the rare one who did all this. Sometimes, I reschedule my trips if weather looks bad. I look at satellite weather mostly. Checking the areas of green, blue red etc. Thanks for backing me up.
Ayy, I'm loving this comment and reply of fellow super weather-aware people!
Do either of y'all watch the RUclipsr Ryan Hall?
@@revenevan11 Yep, I watch his channel.
Who Ever: "some of which I have also held, albeit sadly only on the ground on
various emergencies crews"
Never be sad about anything about being a member of an emergency crew!
The rest of us need you and hopefully respect you for what you do,,,,,,
@@dd_ranchtexas4501 The sad part is getting burnt out over the job. I never got the chance because I crashed a motorcycle and then couldn't lift patients anymore because I ripped off all the ligaments in my shoulder. I tried to become a doctor and got some great grades in college even, but I think that independent minds aren't wanted anywhere until we become existentially necessary and I guess that hasn't happened yet.
First of all, thanks for making the video related to the Spicejet video, I was actually looking forward to this one. Secondly, it takes a series of actions to cause an accident, which is true in this case. Many dropped the ball, and it carried forward until they crashed. Also, while it is good to be efficient, efficiency should never be placed over safety, especially in instances where the lives of others are at play. So, yes, it would've been inefficient and inconvenient to land at Lucknow, but which is better: to land at a further airport and escape without damage or injury to plane and passengers, or land at the closer airport, and damage your plane? While I'm thankful that everyone was able to come out of this alive, this accident could've been avoided. Don't think we need another Tenerife to happen in the name of efficiency.
I am not a pilot, but even I would check my routes including alternate ones on Google maps ahead of any long road trip. What the hell was wrong with these pilots? Frustrating.
True that. I even checked weather averages of other countries/cities of the season to be prepared!
“Honey, let’s drive to your parents house. There’s a very good possibility a snow storm will hamper our trip and close the road, so let’s fill our tank up half way just to be safe”.
It makes me wonder if India is waiting for a Tenerife class disaster to happen to straighten up their act. Between procedural failures, badly trained pilots and ill equipped airplanes most of them avoidable with little money and a lot of seriousness I am not sure what kind of circus they seem to be running. This machines "fly", they are not buses, a small mistake, a skip in procedures have high chances of leading to a major disaster. In this case the captain is the one to be blamed, even if the other parties made grossly mistakes for which I hope they've been at least scolded although I don't think they've been made aware. There are many other countries which don't take this matters seriously either but India has a traffic density few of this other countries match. This kind of complacency, to put it in civil words, is inadmissible.
They had one in 1996 - a midair collision between a Saudi 747 and a Kazakh Il-76.
@@JillC2 Unfortunately it seems they need an "over 500" to make investing in equipment and training a must.
@@JillC2 that was because the kazakh pilot couldnot understand English properly and set his plane on wrong altitude.
India politicians ( few rouges)always interfere with administration of sincere govt officers, and put incompetent guys at various levels based on caste and other reservations policies. This compromises safety.also.
My dad (engineer) was a victim and decided to quit the govt job at age of 38, after few years of fight and became a private entrepreneur. You can't fight corruption and vote bank based on caste. So the cream of talents leave India after education for abroad, due to caste implications systems.
I’m thinking you could do a daily show on India, Pakistan and Turkey.
Nothing beats the Pakistan airlines pilot/crew that forgot to put the gear down, bashed the engines and decided to try a go around.
Thanks for posting this so quickly. 👏🙂
Yes! Thanks for making this!
Thanks for the follow up!
I was waiting for itttt!
0:23 Holy moly what a rotation, pax gonna get whiplash
What pilot in their right mind would disconnect the AP on final on ils in cat 3 conditions?
I’m so glad that Air India is now owned by the right team - The first owners of Air India - The Tatas
Yup. It’s finally back in the right hands. I really hope Ratan Tata is able to emulate his uncle JRD and bring back this airline to its past glory.
@@killerdove123 if anyone can do it, it’s the house of Tatas. They definitely have everything and all the experience to turn Air India around to be the pride of India like it once was. It’s a long and challenging road but they’ll get there.
Yay I love a good prequel
I just realised AI890 is a service from IMF-GAU-DEL lol
I have a suggestion for you. You should remake your older videos with simulations rather than footage of the aircraft. A lot of your older videos cover a lot of very interesting air crash investigations however, in your newer videos the simulations make it more immersing and paint a better picture of the accident.
Keep up the good work, your videos are very interesting and I learnt a about aircraft just from watching you.
Can you make a video about that one time when a Tu-134 landed at Odessa at 415km/h (224knts), where the crew violated landing procedures and broke the record for the highest civil aircraft landing speed?
I'm surprised not to see "Any landing where everyone walks away is a good landing"
I am the most disappointed in the captain. Turning off the AP while landing in 0 visibility.
AP? Air Police?
@@Capecodham Autopilot
@@Capecodham Autopilot, which at the time was flying the approach down to the runway, probably using the ILS (instrument landing system, it lets planes know where the runway is when you can’t see anything)
@@senakssssarnab Then why didn't he say that?
@@Capecodham AP is usually used to denote autopilot. It's an aviation video, most people would have gotten that.
Awesome video!
Nice video mate
Why are landing strip so narrow.there is so many space available.why are trees inside the airport .
Trees give scenery bonus to adjacent rides.
Air India had two CFIT on tabletop runways one on mangalore and other in Kozikode costing many lives..
thanks for the video
3:32 to be perfectly correct, there is no such thing as a minimum decision altitude. It’s decision altitude for precision (ILS/MLS) approaches, mor often used as decision height if it’s CAT II or III ILS approach, and it’s the altitude/height where the pilots decide whether to continue with the landing, or go around. For non-precision approaches (LOC only, VOR, NDB, RNAV/RNP), it’s minimum descent altitude/height, and it’s not the point where you decide if you’re gonna land, you have to make the decision earlier so that you don’t descend below that altitude
As a rule, whenever I board an Indian aircraft, I ask the air hostesses (who are standing within an earshot of the pilot) if they have enough fuel + some more to carry the entire trip.
India is.... India. They do things their way. I love the place but I always took the Train. When my pal broke his leg he flew to Thailand before going to hospital. Another friend DID use Indian Airlines, but he always ate Opium before take off. If I read of an incident where there was a gear failure due to the guy in the wheel well going to sleep and not pulling a string when he saw the ground I would just nod my head and think yeah, they wouldn't let a broken hydraulic line take an aircraft out of service.
Recently watching all these videos really made me wonder how much harder it must have been to fly back in the day. Always knew that flying requires peak human performances in civil aviation let alone military but never pondered on the thought as much. Its really insane what humans can do.
Thank you for the quick follow-up!!!
I know that fog cause the poor visibility but the other video said that the city of New Delhi has a problem with smog also, maybe clean up the smog? That might help with the visibility a little.
Cool Video
Noice, now we have the other part of the story, quicker than expected too : P
Pls make video of Alliance Sir 7412 crash near by Patna Airport.
The flight was inbound for DELHI and Layover at Jai praksh Narayan airport, Patna
After reading many crash investigation across the globe. My suggestion as a layman would be to have a ATC bunker (lower profile 1 feet glass cube just to put the head out/ camera) at the end ( 5-10secs before the runway end) of each active runway to see it the actually took off or aborted take off, aligned or misaligned, tyres bursted or not while take off, and tell the pilots in real time to go around etc or work in tandem with the tower when visibility is poor or CAT III landings are in Queue.. The pilots and the ATC - towers are not able to physically verify the relative position of the aircraft when it is few 100meters from the end of the runway.
I mean to say some bold team should be close to the runway like they are aboard the Navy aircraft carriers. Say within 50-75 feet offset to the runway end . I could be wrong with something here or funny , but not a bad idea to have some guy at end to warn the pilot within a sec or two when it's CAT III or even a clear day if fuel is leaking or sprays out.
Irrespective of all other unpardonanle failures, the Capt should NOT have disconnected his autopilot on the ILS especially in almost ZERO visibility. This is an aggravated emergency situation. I would have kept the AP on till about 50 feet above runway..An extreme miracle that no one was injured though the airplane was written off.
amazing video!
o thats a show. thankfully everyone lived.
Seems like all of these accidents are caused by cultural differences. I work in the IT industry. There is a reason things are so cocked up, IT-wise here in the US. Everyone outsources their work to India.
Yup. I know India. Great place. But it IS India and this was a very Indian sort of cock up.
Thank you for making this video for us! Everyone involved in this crash is in the wrong here, wow..
They can land at the military base if they declare an emergency!!
I remember this being in news 8 years ago
Fantastic video!
I am not a pilot. That said, I would think if you are landing a plane is near zero visibility, you would be glued to watching the glide path and localizer. Would those not put you on the end of the runway? Even if the flying pilot did not see he was drifting to left, would not the monitoring pilot be watching those like a hawk to ensure they are on the right path horizontally and vertically to the runway? Is it that difficult?
Guys we are talking of Air India under government control back them. Extremely inefficient and irresponsible staff, glad no casualties.
Bottom line: Planes in India are no better than the taxis there. Don't get on any of them.
They got it on the ground in zero visibility. They would have run out of fuel. I don't know what else they could have done. 👍
Yeah but the fact they were in the position to need to land or crash on go around is the issue. It should have never got to that point.
They did get it down in zero visibility though.
@@cherriberri8373, true.
It never should have come close to the situation they had. That's the reason most places have systems to avoid this sort of thing. This never should have occurred. The pilot and flight crew made mistakes that they never should have made (disconnecting AP on a 0V landing, running so short of fuel that the alt was undoable.) They were lucky.
Can you do a video about Malaysia airlines flight 653?
Like the other commentator, institutional laziness and negligence. There is no way they did fuel crosschecks.
Uh no...they did not check their fuel supply. So glad everyone survived!
I flew in to Bukake once... I don't want to talk about it...
Why not perform an auto-land? No ILS?
Monday, 17 July 2000
Alliance Air Flight 7412
Place: Patna, India. Pls make a video on this one tooooooooooooo
8:40 I'd say they just half arsed did the cross-checks and didn't write down anything during the flight because too lazy. But I can't rule out they were lying...
Why you didn't show the image of the plane wing slicing through the trees and just showed the plane veering left and no trees to the left obstructing the path to the left of the plane and the plane's wings sawing through them?
What's the reason they did not divert to Chandigarh airport? That even closer.
And the allegedly trained pilot lets the plane roll to the left. Even I, not a pilot, know what the artificial horizon is.
i would be suprised about all the regulations that werent followed, but im really not suprised at all most shit runs like this in india
The airline set them up to fail. And the overall standards of information sharing in India. It's a bad look from top to bottom. I'm certainly never flying in India lol How do you fix *all* that?
People that don't believe in climate change should go and live in New Delhi!
Random question from non pilot. Couldn't they use Autoland?
Keep waiting for the video in which you tell us 'this is the story all about how my life got turned upside down'
SpiceJet 256 was put into a tricky situation due to another flight crew's incompetence!
Sounds like a major issue with the whole Indian system, which I hope has been fixed.
Naah. Indians are afraid of change. Idk why but they hate changing.
I wonder how many times this happens but the auto land stays on so you never hear about it
Popes have been known to kiss the ground upon exiting the plane. After all, it WAS Alitalia (now defunct).
If they had flown Air India …
… kissing the ground would not have done anything! Building a monastery might have been enough for some, but stuff like this landing is more of the “build a huge cathedral .. or 3” type.
flight planning level: fsx
pilot balls: fsx
landing: mission accomplished!
Cat III available, but non-qual pilots? smh...
8:40 They did not do that
It sounds like there were a lot of incompetent people involved, plenty of blame to spread around. I hope that a number of employees were fired. They were so fortunate that there was no loss of life.
Shonky operators and pilots. Feel sorry for passengers and their families
How hard is it 2 read a dam fuel gauge a 12 year old could do that better.
Trees inside the airport?
Do more videos on where autopilot/automation saves the day
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Ever wonder why you suspect a scam and you get a number to call and it is someone who speaks English with an Indian accent from India? I'm not a raciest, I'm German, French and Japanese so I'm the last person to be a raciest. At a young age I worked at at an American restaurant owned by people from India, one day I dropped a piece of chicken and was about to through it away when the boss told me to just drop it in the fryer. I did what I was told but quit the next day. I guess that they don't like to follow a lot of rules and regulations.