The train station is only connected to the outside, making it function as a regular outside connection. If you want Trains to come in from your City and go straight to the Airport, you need to connect the rails in the other direction as well
Exactly what I was thinking. That cargo train station just enables an outside connection to trade to another outside connection and can't take any good too / from the city
As much as i want more episodes, just go at your own pace Biffa, so that you can enjoy the game instead of it feeling like a chore. Loveing the new british themed city Keep up the great work
7:20 For the "experts", actual airport runway lengths are available from many places (I use AirNav for US and SkyVector for UK). Heathrow has two runways like Teathrow, and they're 3660 and 3900m long. That's two whole purchasable squares long. Each square is two km. A Big Plane looks a lot like a 747, and depending on while revision and how full it is, they need up to about 3000m to take off. Even a no-passengers, minimum fuel one takes about 1500m in a stiff headwind to get off the ground. And Heathrow's not even a really big airport. Chicago's O'Hare needs most of six squares to model in Cities Skylines, for its eight runways, four terminals, and on-grounds heliport.
True, but the entire city is more than 81km2 and 606.1km2. I understand that the scale is positioned to be 2km/square, but if you want to make a chicago airport to scale, the city also has to be in scale so probably using 2 tiles is actually reasonably large.
@@arandomdudewithhobbies3318 That's fine. But that's a completely different point that's just as incompatible with expert complaints that the airport is unrealistically large.
Did you know that the Dallas/Fort Worth Airport (DFW) is larger than the entire island of Manhattan? Yes, DFW is over 27 square miles. It's the only airport in the world with 4 working runways that are at least 12,000 ft long.
Biffa you do not have to connect the extra road directly to the plane stands, the cargo terminal is a transfer building. It allows trucks to pass through from the outside road onto the airport area and then drive to the plane stands
37:53 There are security checkpoints on the workshop that look more realistic as a security checkpoint than a toll-booth, granted they don't provide additional income.
Biffa, can I make a suggestion of deleting the large cargo road off the roundabout. That way all the cargo traffic has to go through your cargo terminal. Which then gives you the impression that all the cargo is passing through customs control.
I was coming to post the same thing! Also, shouldn't the cargo train station be on the inside of the airport, rather than outside the terminal? That way trucks can offload goods from the planes and put them straight onto the train, without having to travel through the bottleneck of exiting the terminal building first.
26:50 You really don't need the big road by the hangers. The front of the Airport (across from the train station) is the actual way the trucks get into the airport and to the plane stands. The trucks pass through the airport hub onto the stand roads. The cargo roads are really only for use inside the airport.
Came to comments to say that hahaha. All the cargo must pass through the airport. now only the cargo that is coming from out side and going to train station is only passing through the airport.
Biff, Do consider reconfiguring the approach off the highway in conjunction with a realignment of the road into the airport that would cross it. A strait alignment with the cargo train road would allow for a single toll booth, and an elimination of the large roundabout, which would un-cramp your hanger/refueling area. Think about it.
Wow I think you’ve missed a trick here, teathrow could have been perfect for the eventual blightea airport, New Zealand has an airport called Queenstown which could have been converted to teastown 😅
the airport cargo train station get no inbount trains because he can't transport cargo to the regular cargo train station, so you have to replace the regular cargo train stations with the airport cargo train station. (the port with train and cargo airport (not the custom one) with train he can just go.
those airport roads with boxes in the middle is should be used as internal roads within the airport and the smaller road is where the entrance is at. security first!
Biffa, you always seem to upload on my lunchtimes... what excellent timing! Unfortunately, my lunches are only 30 minutes long so I don't get to watch one video in one sitting. But a video for my lunch is a blessing 🙏
I know, that many people said that already, but the big road really should not be connected to that roundabout. It is just for the traffic inside the airport area - pushback tractors, stairs, refuelling trucks, etc... The main building should be the only entrance to the airport.
Cargo is looping in and out from planes to trains and viceversa. You don’t have train access from/to inside the city; means that what you import needs to get to the city in trucks only.
Hey Biffa, to control traffic on the 4-lane road between the cargo terminal and the railway station, try using lane restrictions. I ban all traffic except garbage trucks and SOS vehicles from the outer lanes, keeping them clear. Trucks that need to turn in there will still do so, but won't get snarled up in passing traffic, which is restrricted to the two inner lanes. That's a trick I use in all my heavy-traffic industrial situations.
I love Biffa's videos. There is this strange dichotomy between realism and gameplay which, at times, makes watching 'exciting'. Example, Biffa drew in electric lines straight over an 'active' taxiway. Additionally, the road into the airport (and the fence) is easily within wingtips of any planes that would use those taxiways. Additionally, I am not sure you would see a runway that short for a Cessna, let alone some of the massive jumbo cargo planes in the DLC. I know I need to use some imagination and the game needs to be fun for Biffa, but CS is so close to a sim that it seems weird when 'normal' spacing and rules are not followed; thus 'exciting'.
Might be worth experimenting with a connection from the cargo airport road to the second smaller roundabout. I think trucks might be going through the big roundabout just to get to the smaller one and through that to the highway. Edit: Maybe even a one-way out to the small one so they still enter into the big one? I dunno but what we ended up with looks great :)
As someone who worked airplanes for a living and knows runways, for large aircraft anywhere from 2 - 3.5 Km should be fine for "realism" in this video game and the 3.5km is long, that's just a bit shorter then what's needed for a USAF bomber to land and or takeoff
For what is worth, the FedEx or DHL corners from the modular warehouse pack would look really good at the airport, as well as give you some commercial goods buffer
The Airports DLC dual cargo stations DO work biffa, if you route two separate train lines to them. It's redundant to run two spurs off the same line however. Each line off of the station should route to a separate district or outside connection.
Little tip for cargo airports. You can place the large hangers directly over the cargo plane stands using anarchy mods. Snap the hangers to the taxiway and they fit perfectly with the airport cargo roads at the back.
Try the Touch it Mod on the other cities if you do the same as it might make the original taxiways accessible again. Now, what would've been awesome is if you left the original airport's runways there/rebuilt them as is because it wouldn't let you delete them, and built the cargo airport around it, as if the airport was retired from passenger use and just repurposed as a cargo-only airport, similar to how most airports in the UK based themselves on how they used to be WWII Airbases. Also some Airfield tips (I know you've already built one whoops I'm too late): You need a taxiway at the threshold (the end) and intermediate ones, both angled and perpendicular to allow aircraft to _exit_ the runway quickly to allow the aircraft following closely behind to land using the runway after a very short delay. (This isn't a game mechanic but Those angled "fast exits" are also used in a rejected takeoff to allow the aircraft to clear the runway quickly too for the same reason.
May I suggest we honnour "Ye Olde Fighting Cocks" that was forced to close due to financial issues after more than 1000 years as one of the local pubs. Maybe make a pub in Blightea-on-the-Wold named after it?
The choice of music in your newer videos is so much cooler than on the older ones with the pumping house tracks. (very subjectively of course, you do what you like!) Really gives me chill vibes.
Hey Biffa, thanks for this great build again. And since you are in some contact with the creators, could I drop a topic here? Maybe they can extend the flight path of the planes further from the runway, so the planes don’t take this 90 degree handbrake turn at the end. I don’t know if it bothers a lot of other people actually? Thanks and keep up the great content!
You could delete the road to the cargo stands that comes off the roundabout where you initially tried to place the toll booth. Since the trucks will enter that space through the cargo terminal, it’s unnecessary to connect from the outside.
Biffa; the workshop also gives you a monorail airport station... Now you can recreate "real" airtrain systems, especially if you take the VALs from Paris, Toulouse or Lille. They work well as monorail in CS.
Looking great again, as always. One comment, though... Ideally, the runway of your cargo airport should be the other way round, so that aircraft fly over the city as they land. Taking off over the city will create FAR more noise.
I like the airport DLC, just hope the lag from taxiways disappears cause honestly is really annoying Edit: Just saw the patch for the DLC, fixes simulation lag from the taxiways
29:40 Could you use the spawn point mod to make the trucks come out of the front? It would prevent extra traffic on the cargo train station road. As it is you have two lots of traffic trying to leave on that road, and a lot less leaving on the main road to the airport. That could cause a traffic jam as the airport gets busier.
For the cargo train, you can use one-way to get it to use both terminals...oh, you did it later in the vid. Great job! For your electricity issue, use the earthquake detector as an electrical substation. :)
- What about adding a small alley next to the terminal for service vehicles only, add some dumpster props and move the spawn point for garbage trucks to it? - An airport without control tower😧?! Better get your disaster response team ready😉 - If I'm not mistaken, this rail setup does not actually support the city: there's no connection to it! It currently just connects to the outside... easy to be fixed. - I love the rail loop, but it's prone to cause jam: tracks inside the station are 2way, not double 1way. Any train spawning here will block departing trains. What about both tracks 1way in, leaving on the other side with a 1way loop around the building, connecting back to 2way track? So much inspiration again... thanks for the entertainment final note: by the comments on it's ws page, there seems to be an issue with "P&T anarchy" since last patch. "tree anarchy" and "Prop anarchy" work well
3:20 The metropolitan airport comes with the runways and taxiways from before the Airports DLC. Do you think with the DLC, those runways and taxiways became their own assets, which is why they stayed on after you deleted the terminal building?
They've always been separate assets. You can find them using the Find It! mod or by using Airport Roads. The DLC taxiways are a separate asset to the pre-DLC taxiway and runway assets. The more likely reason is that the taxiways were "unlocked" which means they've separated from the building.
@@williamhuang8309 Still doesn't explain the auto-generated zoning for the airport. I assume under the new DLC all existing airports will now have to function under the Airports DLC rules, i.e.: will receive their own zone centered on the terminal, runways and taxiways become separated assets from their terminals, etc. That way, you can upgrade your existing airports to the new DLC's assets.
@@urbypilot2136 The district wasn't actually auto-generated. Biffa painted in that district when he built the airport to give it a name. It's not actually an airport district, just a regular one, hence why all the policies are present. Also, unfortunately, the only way to upgrade to DLC airport is to bulldoze your old one and build a new one. So there will be no zone around pre-DLC airports. I'm not sure why the taxiways remained, as City Planner Plays and his vanilla savegame did not have this problem. So it's likely a mod problem.
Hey Biffa, freight airport looks really more interesting then any passanger airport. But you could get rid of the taxiway behind the aircraft-fuel storage. The trucks are going out to bring the fuel to the planes. Planes never taxi to some kind of gas station.
Also, as you encountered at the beginning, can’t delete any runways with bulldozer. Have to use move it to highlight and delete it. Even with full vanilla, the taxiway bug exists, didn’t try the bulldoze without moveit.
I think adding a traffic control tower would be nice. Also a radar (and ground radar) and wind vanes might be a nice detail. Maybe you could also connect the subway? I think the prison roads with the fences might make sense?
Hey Biffa, just noticed at 42:00 for some reason a passenger train was passing through your cargo terminal, maybe in this game people are also transportable cargo, who knows :D. Besides that loved your cargo airport, think that its awesome, especially the placement of it right between the big industry areas. As a name suggestion for your cargo airport, i think Teamphis International Cargo Airport (inspired by the most busiest cargo airport Memphis International in US Tennessee) would be nice.
This is probably a niche request but I would like to see more of the stats of how much cargo is on the planes. I like watching the builds but it would be nice to understand the economics of the air cargo and the transfer rate from train to air cargo. Similarly to how you show us your lane mathematics. =) Keep it up! I'm looking forward to more of the British build too!!
Floodwalls and Pumping service. Also, make the land next to the river more smooth. It is too low in places and ground water is coming up to the surface there . .
I think the new cargo airport looks great. In the surrounding areas you could put in some warehousing and a post sorting facility, and a few of the logistics assets!
I'm constantly amazed by the fact that none of the popular RUclips Skylines folks use what I consider to be the two most important QoL mods available-- Remove Need for Pipes and Remove Need for Powerlines. Seriously, those two mods are the reason I kept playing the game after the first month. I absolutely hated fussing with those nuisances. Now I plop whatever, wherever and it automatically has its needs met.
How about Teathrow Cargo Handling as Heathrow has a Cargo airport as well it would make sense for that to be the name of the Cargo airport, but it would make more sense to have the cargo airport closer to the passenger airport so any other name is good as well but that's my suggestion.
Hey Biffa, enjoying both the series a lot!! Got a suggestion for a name maybe -- Teargo. Standing for Tea and Cargo.... With a silent c. From India btw.
When you originally placed Meteapoliton Airport, did you use the mod that separates the road from the building to upgrade the road? If so, is it possible that it also disconnected all the runways and taxiways from the building as well?
how about calling the cargo airport Brew-wick (play on brew and gatwick) or brewsted (stansted instead of gatwick) as the international airport's name is based on heathrow
SUggestion for name of cargo plane port 1. HoiteaToitea Cargonational Airport 2. AloTea Stuff Cargonational Airport 3. I-Tea-mized Cargonational Airport I could go on for days with these!
How about the _Eric_ _Ales_ Airport? (Tea bushes being of the order... ? Precisely.) A place for ordering tea. Oh, could probably do with a rail line looping back to the city rather just direct to/from outside but cool beans/top banana/etc... the place is looking good. Control tower maybe? I use a single, classic unit of the concourse to attach it to (being on console).
Cool vid as always, but i still think you should build a rail and car tunnel through the mountain to better connect the two parts of the main island. Also i'd suggest to build some bay bridges, again, just for better interconnection.
Aww, when you did the quay bit after doing the fences, you could have used the same parallel tool to place it using the fence instead of deleting the fence. ;)
The Runways and taxiway of the sunset harbor airport didn't get demolished because (I guess) you had unlocked segments of networks from a building with touch this. I think it is normal, every time I unlock some road in a building, like a port or airport, and then demolish it, some residual network stay there, and the only way to remove them is moveit
I simply put a cargo airport on a 6 lane 1 way, large loop that went straight to the highway and had a small bypass to go straight in/out of my largest city cluster
As your video was wrapping up with the tour of what you had changed, the music reminded me of Agatha Christie's: Poirot series. That music is so iconic to that series. But then a thought occurred to me, to have a Tea-oirot? Really not sure on how that would be spelled
New watcher from USA here Biffa. Each airport should have it's own emergency services facility. And what about having each large city section having a heliport? Enjoy your content!!
The weird thing where the runways didn't delete with the airport is likely because you used the touch it mod to change the road ages ago. Klyte has a new version
Biffa, please move the roundabout at the entrance of the cargo airport more towards the highway. It would make it look much better if the roads are not that wonky from the airport to the roundabout
Re the cargo airport. You could possibly help the AI and make the outer lane faster. Then they'll choose the outer lane if they aren't making the turn in the slower lane
I used an Airport Train Station, and got trains coming and going on both sides. They each had tracks going to different places though, so I don't know if they use both sides if you just merge them onto one line.
Right now your Airport Trainstation can just deliver goods outside the city. Which does not make much sense. If you go to the cargo airport you want to bring in/take out goods via airplane. So it would be better to connect the train station to your other cargo trainstations rather than connecting it to the outside.
Greetings from the states Biffa, I would suggest the name Tea-Tac which is a play on the nickname Sea-Tac for the Seattle-Tacoma International Airport which also does cargo.
Am I the only one who thinks it weird Biffa chose prime real estate for a cargo airport? Why is the cargo airport next to the downtown district and the pristine waterway that comes from the nature reserve he built a while back? Not to mention it's next to the super nice train station that should be near large populations of people. Love your work Biffa!
the patch is suposed to fix the taxi way stuttering but if its still there afterwards if you have more network stuff mod you can use the old vannila pre dlc taxiways to fix the issue
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Airport train shouldn’t connect to the outside as its meant to get stuff from the city for air export.
The electricity thing is because of split nets. Nothing to do with distance.
Make it InTeanational Airport
Name it tealand teawick airport like london gatwick so similar to teathrow
The train station is only connected to the outside, making it function as a regular outside connection. If you want Trains to come in from your City and go straight to the Airport, you need to connect the rails in the other direction as well
I was coming to the comments to say the same thing.
Same
Exactly what I was thinking. That cargo train station just enables an outside connection to trade to another outside connection and can't take any good too / from the city
I was coming to the comments to say the same thing.
don't understand why he didn't see this main issue Oo
You could call the airport TeaHL cargo airport, instead of DHL. Or you could call it The Biffing Sprit cargo airport :D
Very good 👏🏻
So this way you would create historically accurate district where custom’s office officers use to throw overboard confiscated smuggled tea.
@@cameltorun throw tea overboard and replace it with coffee!
TeaHL inTEAnational
Name it tealand teawick airport like london gatwick so similar to teathrow
As much as i want more episodes, just go at your own pace Biffa, so that you can enjoy the game instead of it feeling like a chore.
Loveing the new british themed city
Keep up the great work
7:20 For the "experts", actual airport runway lengths are available from many places (I use AirNav for US and SkyVector for UK). Heathrow has two runways like Teathrow, and they're 3660 and 3900m long. That's two whole purchasable squares long. Each square is two km. A Big Plane looks a lot like a 747, and depending on while revision and how full it is, they need up to about 3000m to take off. Even a no-passengers, minimum fuel one takes about 1500m in a stiff headwind to get off the ground.
And Heathrow's not even a really big airport. Chicago's O'Hare needs most of six squares to model in Cities Skylines, for its eight runways, four terminals, and on-grounds heliport.
True, but the entire city is more than 81km2 and 606.1km2. I understand that the scale is positioned to be 2km/square, but if you want to make a chicago airport to scale, the city also has to be in scale so probably using 2 tiles is actually reasonably large.
@@arandomdudewithhobbies3318 That's fine. But that's a completely different point that's just as incompatible with expert complaints that the airport is unrealistically large.
Did you know that the Dallas/Fort Worth Airport (DFW) is larger than the entire island of Manhattan? Yes, DFW is over 27 square miles. It's the only airport in the world with 4 working runways that are at least 12,000 ft long.
Biffa you do not have to connect the extra road directly to the plane stands, the cargo terminal is a transfer building. It allows trucks to pass through from the outside road onto the airport area and then drive to the plane stands
If you put the unique building State of Liberty on the island with the castle ruins the new Cargo Hub could be called Libertea Cargo
Outstanding
37:53 There are security checkpoints on the workshop that look more realistic as a security checkpoint than a toll-booth, granted they don't provide additional income.
Can you drop in the link please?
Biffa, can I make a suggestion of deleting the large cargo road off the roundabout. That way all the cargo traffic has to go through your cargo terminal. Which then gives you the impression that all the cargo is passing through customs control.
with toll booths!!
I was coming to post the same thing! Also, shouldn't the cargo train station be on the inside of the airport, rather than outside the terminal? That way trucks can offload goods from the planes and put them straight onto the train, without having to travel through the bottleneck of exiting the terminal building first.
@@Helbore True. I always connect the train station to one of the cargo roads inside
26:50 You really don't need the big road by the hangers. The front of the Airport (across from the train station) is the actual way the trucks get into the airport and to the plane stands. The trucks pass through the airport hub onto the stand roads. The cargo roads are really only for use inside the airport.
Came to comments to say that hahaha. All the cargo must pass through the airport. now only the cargo that is coming from out side and going to train station is only passing through the airport.
I use both just like he did and it’s way more efficient. Especially if you don’t have the mod to increase the number of lanes entering the airport.
well done Chai-cargo in-tea-national looks great
As You renamed airport to Teathrow then also this neighbourhood must have this same name as it is in the case of Heathrow
Biff,
Do consider reconfiguring the approach off the highway in conjunction with a realignment of the road into the airport that would cross it. A strait alignment with the cargo train road would allow for a single toll booth, and an elimination of the large roundabout, which would un-cramp your hanger/refueling area. Think about it.
Wow I think you’ve missed a trick here, teathrow could have been perfect for the eventual blightea airport, New Zealand has an airport called Queenstown which could have been converted to teastown 😅
the airport cargo train station get no inbount trains because he can't transport cargo to the regular cargo train station, so you have to replace the regular cargo train stations with the airport cargo train station. (the port with train and cargo airport (not the custom one) with train he can just go.
Wow, a grade separated rail junction! If you added more of them in other places, you would be less likely to have train traffic jams.
those airport roads with boxes in the middle is should be used as internal roads within the airport and the smaller road is where the entrance is at. security first!
Biffa, you always seem to upload on my lunchtimes... what excellent timing! Unfortunately, my lunches are only 30 minutes long so I don't get to watch one video in one sitting. But a video for my lunch is a blessing 🙏
You're welcome :-)
Play it at 1.5 times speed. 45 minute video takes 30 minutes to watch. :)
@@dandiehm8414 True but then I don't get to hear the wonderful words from Biffa's mouth in their true glory
I know, that many people said that already, but the big road really should not be connected to that roundabout. It is just for the traffic inside the airport area - pushback tractors, stairs, refuelling trucks, etc... The main building should be the only entrance to the airport.
Cargo and Tea? The Tea Horse Road was the major trade route for tea in a historical aspect.
Cargo is looping in and out from planes to trains and viceversa. You don’t have train access from/to inside the city; means that what you import needs to get to the city in trucks only.
Hey Biffa, to control traffic on the 4-lane road between the cargo terminal and the railway station, try using lane restrictions. I ban all traffic except garbage trucks and SOS vehicles from the outer lanes, keeping them clear. Trucks that need to turn in there will still do so, but won't get snarled up in passing traffic, which is restrricted to the two inner lanes. That's a trick I use in all my heavy-traffic industrial situations.
I love Biffa's videos. There is this strange dichotomy between realism and gameplay which, at times, makes watching 'exciting'. Example, Biffa drew in electric lines straight over an 'active' taxiway. Additionally, the road into the airport (and the fence) is easily within wingtips of any planes that would use those taxiways. Additionally, I am not sure you would see a runway that short for a Cessna, let alone some of the massive jumbo cargo planes in the DLC. I know I need to use some imagination and the game needs to be fun for Biffa, but CS is so close to a sim that it seems weird when 'normal' spacing and rules are not followed; thus 'exciting'.
Might be worth experimenting with a connection from the cargo airport road to the second smaller roundabout. I think trucks might be going through the big roundabout just to get to the smaller one and through that to the highway.
Edit: Maybe even a one-way out to the small one so they still enter into the big one? I dunno but what we ended up with looks great :)
As someone who worked airplanes for a living and knows runways, for large aircraft anywhere from 2 - 3.5 Km should be fine for "realism" in this video game and the 3.5km is long, that's just a bit shorter then what's needed for a USAF bomber to land and or takeoff
For what is worth, the FedEx or DHL corners from the modular warehouse pack would look really good at the airport, as well as give you some commercial goods buffer
The Airports DLC dual cargo stations DO work biffa, if you route two separate train lines to them. It's redundant to run two spurs off the same line however. Each line off of the station should route to a separate district or outside connection.
Little tip for cargo airports. You can place the large hangers directly over the cargo plane stands using anarchy mods. Snap the hangers to the taxiway and they fit perfectly with the airport cargo roads at the back.
Try the Touch it Mod on the other cities if you do the same as it might make the original taxiways accessible again.
Now, what would've been awesome is if you left the original airport's runways there/rebuilt them as is because it wouldn't let you delete them, and built the cargo airport around it, as if the airport was retired from passenger use and just repurposed as a cargo-only airport, similar to how most airports in the UK based themselves on how they used to be WWII Airbases.
Also some Airfield tips (I know you've already built one whoops I'm too late):
You need a taxiway at the threshold (the end) and intermediate ones, both angled and perpendicular to allow aircraft to _exit_ the runway quickly to allow the aircraft following closely behind to land using the runway after a very short delay. (This isn't a game mechanic but Those angled "fast exits" are also used in a rejected takeoff to allow the aircraft to clear the runway quickly too for the same reason.
May I suggest we honnour "Ye Olde Fighting Cocks" that was forced to close due to financial issues after more than 1000 years as one of the local pubs. Maybe make a pub in Blightea-on-the-Wold named after it?
You could name it Teasside after Teesside in the North East.
Something like Teaside Field or Teaside Regional Airport
The choice of music in your newer videos is so much cooler than on the older ones with the pumping house tracks. (very subjectively of course, you do what you like!) Really gives me chill vibes.
Hey Biffa, thanks for this great build again. And since you are in some contact with the creators, could I drop a topic here? Maybe they can extend the flight path of the planes further from the runway, so the planes don’t take this 90 degree handbrake turn at the end. I don’t know if it bothers a lot of other people actually? Thanks and keep up the great content!
Thanks 😁 Best place for suggestions is the forum 👍
I'm thinking it's time to make a replica build of our beloved Alein Rock Park - maybe a very small version would be a great addition to this area
You could delete the road to the cargo stands that comes off the roundabout where you initially tried to place the toll booth. Since the trucks will enter that space through the cargo terminal, it’s unnecessary to connect from the outside.
Biffa; the workshop also gives you a monorail airport station... Now you can recreate "real" airtrain systems, especially if you take the VALs from Paris, Toulouse or Lille. They work well as monorail in CS.
Now I want to see someone making the shortest possible runway that still are functional no matter how ridiculous it would look
Looking great again, as always. One comment, though... Ideally, the runway of your cargo airport should be the other way round, so that aircraft fly over the city as they land. Taking off over the city will create FAR more noise.
I see you're taking inspiration from American bike infrastructure with the random bike lanes placed around the cargo airport. :D
I like the airport DLC, just hope the lag from taxiways disappears cause honestly is really annoying
Edit: Just saw the patch for the DLC, fixes simulation lag from the taxiways
Is there an official CO/Paradox patch or are you talking about the workshop one?
@@robsadler5605 An official patch was released today which amongst other things, fixes the simulation lag that the taxiways have been causing
@@joshuam20 Awesome! I'm at work and couldn't check for myself. So excited to get home now. Thank you!
@@robsadler5605 Yeah that simulation lag honestly made the game look horrible to watch. Glad they fixed it
@@joshuam20 yea, my main map has a huge airport is essentially running in slow mode. Really really slow mode. So happy they fixed it!
Normally I hate ads and they have the exact opposite effect on me as was hoped. However, the way Biffa handles ads is just pure gold! 👌🏼
You can set up that cargo train station using one track for intercity trains and one for your city.
29:40
Could you use the spawn point mod to make the trucks come out of the front? It would prevent extra traffic on the cargo train station road. As it is you have two lots of traffic trying to leave on that road, and a lot less leaving on the main road to the airport. That could cause a traffic jam as the airport gets busier.
For the cargo train, you can use one-way to get it to use both terminals...oh, you did it later in the vid. Great job! For your electricity issue, use the earthquake detector as an electrical substation. :)
- What about adding a small alley next to the terminal for service vehicles only, add some dumpster props and move the spawn point for garbage trucks to it?
- An airport without control tower😧?! Better get your disaster response team ready😉
- If I'm not mistaken, this rail setup does not actually support the city: there's no connection to it! It currently just connects to the outside... easy to be fixed.
- I love the rail loop, but it's prone to cause jam: tracks inside the station are 2way, not double 1way. Any train spawning here will block departing trains. What about both tracks 1way in, leaving on the other side with a 1way loop around the building, connecting back to 2way track?
So much inspiration again... thanks for the entertainment
final note: by the comments on it's ws page, there seems to be an issue with "P&T anarchy" since last patch. "tree anarchy" and "Prop anarchy" work well
3:20 The metropolitan airport comes with the runways and taxiways from before the Airports DLC. Do you think with the DLC, those runways and taxiways became their own assets, which is why they stayed on after you deleted the terminal building?
They've always been separate assets. You can find them using the Find It! mod or by using Airport Roads. The DLC taxiways are a separate asset to the pre-DLC taxiway and runway assets. The more likely reason is that the taxiways were "unlocked" which means they've separated from the building.
@@williamhuang8309 Still doesn't explain the auto-generated zoning for the airport. I assume under the new DLC all existing airports will now have to function under the Airports DLC rules, i.e.: will receive their own zone centered on the terminal, runways and taxiways become separated assets from their terminals, etc. That way, you can upgrade your existing airports to the new DLC's assets.
@@urbypilot2136 The district wasn't actually auto-generated. Biffa painted in that district when he built the airport to give it a name. It's not actually an airport district, just a regular one, hence why all the policies are present. Also, unfortunately, the only way to upgrade to DLC airport is to bulldoze your old one and build a new one. So there will be no zone around pre-DLC airports. I'm not sure why the taxiways remained, as City Planner Plays and his vanilla savegame did not have this problem. So it's likely a mod problem.
@@williamhuang8309 Really, I don't recall him doing that.
@@urbypilot2136 Or maybe it's a mod thing? You never know with these sorts of things.
Hey Biffa, freight airport looks really more interesting then any passanger airport. But you could get rid of the taxiway behind the aircraft-fuel storage. The trucks are going out to bring the fuel to the planes. Planes never taxi to some kind of gas station.
Also, as you encountered at the beginning, can’t delete any runways with bulldozer. Have to use move it to highlight and delete it. Even with full vanilla, the taxiway bug exists, didn’t try the bulldoze without moveit.
I think adding a traffic control tower would be nice. Also a radar (and ground radar) and wind vanes might be a nice detail. Maybe you could also connect the subway? I think the prison roads with the fences might make sense?
The double cargo do work, use one side for inbound and the other for outbound using the one way lines. They don't need to turn around
I am glad to see you put some planes inside hangers. No body else I watch has done it. Very nice build Biffa.
Hey Biffa, just noticed at 42:00 for some reason a passenger train was passing through your cargo terminal, maybe in this game people are also transportable cargo, who knows :D. Besides that loved your cargo airport, think that its awesome, especially the placement of it right between the big industry areas. As a name suggestion for your cargo airport, i think Teamphis International Cargo Airport (inspired by the most busiest cargo airport Memphis International in US Tennessee) would be nice.
You may want to check your district boundaries in the cargo hanger/refueling area. Your park looks to have been lost in the process. 🤷♀️
This is probably a niche request but I would like to see more of the stats of how much cargo is on the planes. I like watching the builds but it would be nice to understand the economics of the air cargo and the transfer rate from train to air cargo. Similarly to how you show us your lane mathematics. =) Keep it up! I'm looking forward to more of the British build too!!
Floodwalls and Pumping service.
Also, make the land next to the river more smooth.
It is too low in places and ground water is coming
up to the surface there . .
I think the new cargo airport looks great. In the surrounding areas you could put in some warehousing and a post sorting facility, and a few of the logistics assets!
I'm constantly amazed by the fact that none of the popular RUclips Skylines folks use what I consider to be the two most important QoL mods available-- Remove Need for Pipes and Remove Need for Powerlines. Seriously, those two mods are the reason I kept playing the game after the first month. I absolutely hated fussing with those nuisances. Now I plop whatever, wherever and it automatically has its needs met.
How about Teathrow Cargo Handling as Heathrow has a Cargo airport as well it would make sense for that to be the name of the Cargo airport, but it would make more sense to have the cargo airport closer to the passenger airport so any other name is good as well but that's my suggestion.
Hey Biffa, enjoying both the series a lot!! Got a suggestion for a name maybe -- Teargo. Standing for Tea and Cargo.... With a silent c.
From India btw.
When you originally placed Meteapoliton Airport, did you use the mod that separates the road from the building to upgrade the road? If so, is it possible that it also disconnected all the runways and taxiways from the building as well?
how about calling the cargo airport Brew-wick (play on brew and gatwick) or brewsted (stansted instead of gatwick) as the international airport's name is based on heathrow
You should use that dead space by the train tracks as a train yard. With multiple tracks that end there and possible add parked trains.
SUggestion for name of cargo plane port
1. HoiteaToitea Cargonational Airport
2. AloTea Stuff Cargonational Airport
3. I-Tea-mized Cargonational Airport
I could go on for days with these!
This city is becoming really cool. I hope you finish it off all the way. Ideas for Cargo Airport = Tea Freight - or T. Freight New Tealand
How about the _Eric_ _Ales_ Airport? (Tea bushes being of the order... ? Precisely.)
A place for ordering tea.
Oh, could probably do with a rail line looping back to the city rather just direct to/from outside but cool beans/top banana/etc... the place is looking good. Control tower maybe? I use a single, classic unit of the concourse to attach it to (being on console).
Myrtle, City Planner Plays fires in the background.
Cool vid as always, but i still think you should build a rail and car tunnel through the mountain to better connect the two parts of the main island. Also i'd suggest to build some bay bridges, again, just for better interconnection.
I appreciate all the little sound effects that you add during editing, it honestly just sends me LOL
My editor will be glad to hear, thank you :-)
@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines He/She's done a great job lately!
Hugo's movin' to the country, gonna eat a lot of peaches
Peaches come from a can, they were put there by a man
yesss another video, another beautiful day to be alive
Good morning!
Aww, when you did the quay bit after doing the fences, you could have used the same parallel tool to place it using the fence instead of deleting the fence. ;)
You can draw your own road thru the cargo lbay and then add your road connectors. I used the pavement one. Blends well.
hello Biffa my cargo airport name suggestion is Teaphis which is a spinnoff of Menphis international airport in the USA which is Fedex main base.
The last one soundtrack is just amazing!
The Runways and taxiway of the sunset harbor airport didn't get demolished because (I guess) you had unlocked segments of networks from a building with touch this. I think it is normal, every time I unlock some road in a building, like a port or airport, and then demolish it, some residual network stay there, and the only way to remove them is moveit
43 MINUTES pure entertainment: Wonderful. Thank you!!!!!
@34:33 Don't know if you noticed, the roundabout has 2 left turns stopping the A.I from using them
I would ABSOLUTELY buy a "Cool Beans" t-shirt if you made it Biffa!
Name for the airport, "TeaGow Airport" an abreviation of Glasgow Airport :P
awesome vid (as always) but aren't you missing an Air Traffic Control Tower for the cargo flyboys??
Teast Midlands, play on East Midlands, a cargo hub airport (I think for DHL) in the UK.
Call it east tealands airport line East Midlands. It’s a big airport mainly used for cargo in the un
I simply put a cargo airport on a 6 lane 1 way, large loop that went straight to the highway and had a small bypass to go straight in/out of my largest city cluster
As your video was wrapping up with the tour of what you had changed, the music reminded me of Agatha Christie's: Poirot series. That music is so iconic to that series. But then a thought occurred to me, to have a Tea-oirot? Really not sure on how that would be spelled
New watcher from USA here Biffa. Each airport should have it's own emergency services facility. And what about having each
large city section having a heliport? Enjoy your content!!
Thank you Terence Lee :-)
The weird thing where the runways didn't delete with the airport is likely because you used the touch it mod to change the road ages ago. Klyte has a new version
Biffa, please move the roundabout at the entrance of the cargo airport more towards the highway. It would make it look much better if the roads are not that wonky from the airport to the roundabout
Re the cargo airport.
You could possibly help the AI and make the outer lane faster. Then they'll choose the outer lane if they aren't making the turn in the slower lane
26:45 I think the monorail confused the roundabout setup here, it looks like it's added a turn left arrow to make cars mount the rails 🤣
1:34 Is he going to eat a lot of peaches? I'm sorry, I couldn't resist!
You might find the double cargo station works properly if you create a second train spawn point using the spawn point mod
The new airport looks awesome, nicely done.
I used an Airport Train Station, and got trains coming and going on both sides. They each had tracks going to different places though, so I don't know if they use both sides if you just merge them onto one line.
Right now your Airport Trainstation can just deliver goods outside the city. Which does not make much sense. If you go to the cargo airport you want to bring in/take out goods via airplane. So it would be better to connect the train station to your other cargo trainstations rather than connecting it to the outside.
my name suggestion is teaphis cargo airport which is a spinnoff name of Menphis international airport in the USA.
41:17 nice song you've got there
Greetings from the states Biffa, I would suggest the name Tea-Tac which is a play on the nickname Sea-Tac for the Seattle-Tacoma International Airport which also does cargo.
Am I the only one who thinks it weird Biffa chose prime real estate for a cargo airport? Why is the cargo airport next to the downtown district and the pristine waterway that comes from the nature reserve he built a while back? Not to mention it's next to the super nice train station that should be near large populations of people. Love your work Biffa!
the patch is suposed to fix the taxi way stuttering but if its still there afterwards if you have more network stuff mod you can use the old vannila pre dlc taxiways to fix the issue
This now really needs a cargo harbour at the same place to really finish off that industrial area feel