Taking off a helmet has so much more impact than having it just de-materialize. Like when T'Challa took off his helmet and set it in the snow when he confronted Zemo.
His suit from AMATW and Endgame should've been the peak of Ant-Man suits. Just a regular suit with a retractable helmet, shouldn't have gone nanotech all the way. I miss the days when his suits had to be shrunken down to action figure size just to be carried around and even hidden away, that seemed more on-brand with the character
The only recent Marvel suit up scene I liked was Moon Knight's. I really enjoyed when Marc looks like he got possessed with white pupils as bandages wrap his body. That's quite unique and makes a lot of sense.
OH YES. that was an amazing suit-up scene, especially as you see it wrapping round him as he turns around. Very cool. The slo-mo suit ups are awesome. Every time though? maybe not, that could get tedious. However, the zappy suit ups by nanotech seem a little low budget for me compared the likes of Moon knight and iron mans first nanosuit suit-up. A way to combat this would be to not have them suit up every time they go to run somewhere, they need to bring back the times when, suiting up meant business and theres a dramatic moment and time stops for them to change. Now though, we see that if they go to leave a room they just tap their chest and zap off screen.
The scene where T'challa takes of his helmet in front of the cop in Civil War is very good and shows how versatile an actual armor can be in story telling.
Man Civil War is so freaking good. That scene is amazing, the part where T'Challa stops Zemo from killing himself by covering the gun with his glove gives me chills
The problem is that they dont use physical suits anymore. They only wear those motion capture suits. A mix of both would fix the issue that it looks so weird. That and they have to give the vfx teams more time lol
Uhhh they still use physical suits. Even in endgame where the suit was entirely cgi, they wore a costume underneath bc they weren't sure what the final design would be. And also there's a few suits that were entirely cgi that no one could tell. Like captain marvel in endgame
What do you mean they don’t use physical suits Spider-Man‘s new suit after no way home. The scarlet witch and Doctor Strange‘s costumes. Thor and so many more.
Marvel has gotten complacent. They've been the best for so long that they've forgotten what made them that way. The writing has been getting more and more lazy, and so has the character design.
@Bakasta Hopefully. I think it's possible, but they've rebooted the DC movie franchises so many times that I don't even know if they can stick to one coherent universe.
I have always kind of liked dceu movies better than marvels, bc marvels movies consist of too much jokes, not enough seriousness, too much sex, and other nonsense, and sneak jokes, and trying to look cool, with dceu movies, there was always seriousness, problem solving, trying to get the message of the movie, only times I have felt like that on marvels was when it was spiderman with tobey maguire and andrew garfield, and early thors, maybe even loki, forgetting some others, I think captain america
When Iron Man put on his suit, there was weight to it, his body reacted to each piece attaching itself. It was literally the way of telling "shit just got real". Damn I miss those movies.
Yeah, it’s frankly a little boring to watch the suit just… appear, ya know? If they want to go that route they could at least make the effect look less plain-looking.
I think Doctor Strange's outfit is a good middle ground here. He can summon his robes like nanotech, but he has to first don the cape and initiate his magic. It made for one of the coolest and iconic shots in phase 4 in Multiverse of Madness, where he sort of Spider-Mans his way out of a wedding and into action.
@@Geral454 100%. When I think of Sam Raimi's effect on that film I immediately think of that sequence. I've watched it several times, it's just so good
Trueee, this was a big thing in iron man, all 3 movies but mainly 1 & 3, plus in a few other movies he’s in. It’s really cool and id love to see more of it
Even Ironman with his NanoTech was improvising by using Left over damage pieces on his chest to other areas, which costed him his life. How they're treated in other films is just a Scapegoat to not create a Physical suit! How cheap is it to make an Animated Movie with Animated Actors in Animated Suit compared to a Practical Suit with Practical Actors?
Yeah, and hey, animation and CGI is expensive and takes time. But I don't know why that means devolving in quality. Here's the problem, at any given time, only two or three Marvel products were in production. With Disney Plus, there's now eight to ten projects simultaneously in the works. Of course they don't have time, money and labour to fill in the gaps. I said devolving because they DID do a better job with less tech in the past. Iron Man is over a decade old. And the way to solve this problem is to go back to props and practical costumes. I can understand Thanos needs to be CGI. But I do not understand why Ant Man 3 and Thor 4 is full of people removing their helmets just to crack jokes and such. It is such a drain on resources.
Ok, but that was always stupid. It needed replacing. Only works for skin tight suits, and if ur shirt is slipping down even a little, ur identity is shot.
The thing that no one really seems to mention is the way they constantly have to remove their mask/helmet/etc, whenever there is a conversation anywhere. It's like an obsession to show the actor as much as possible even when it's stupid, like in the middle of a battle field.
My sister had this exact same comment about the last Ant Man Movie, when they would constantely remove their helmets even to stare down their enemies, even when there were lasers and creatures and debris flying everywhere.
This is the same issue i have, its so damn silly every time they do it. Im so tired of them taking off the helmets that i dont even see them as a hero anymore... Just the actual showing there face for money 😔
Yeah agreed! I want to see the characters in their costumes with their masks on most of the time. I don't care about the actors teaming up I care about the characters teaming up in their suits like it's coming out of a comic. Another thing to is I feel like the actors are playing more of themselves instead of playing the character. Like Mark Ruffalo for example. I feel like he used to play Bruce Banner in Avengers 1 and 2 but ever since Thor Ragnorok it feels like to me that he's just playing himself and not the character if that makes sense. I feel like thats what happened to the majority of MCU characters now too. I'm really worried about the future of this universe and I hope things back on the right path.
I think besides BP and Ironman, Antman actually has the most logical reasoning to have a “nano”-tech suit. He is constantly changing sizes so it makes sense to me over the standard leather suit he has. It could be easily explained away that using equally small technology like Nano tech may better protect Scott’s physiology from unnaturally shifting his volume with Pym-Particles
Would actually be cool if they carry around a small suit and make it increase in size to suit up. The same idea as The Flash storing his suit in the Flash Ring to suit up. Not just slap their chest and then suit up
@brutuslugo3969 I think the best way to explain it canonically is that after endgame Scott Lang snagged a couple of the suits they used for time travel that used the nanotech and gave it to hank who was able to reverse-engineer the tech and implemented it into Scott and hopes suits
The end of No Way Home was especially amazing because Peter Parker could no longer use the nano tech, he had to make his own suit from scratch, it felt like the real spiderman was back
Kinda wish the suit was darker. I feel like MARVEL is trying to make everything fun and games or epic. Dark themes are gone, which is just supid because in no way is a superheroes life fun and just cool action.
@@theCantinafan real talk like I get they’re trying to appeal to kids but it’s just annoying and repetitive now especially with all the corny jokes and dialogue
Yeah, but in terms of Spider-Man, he's not always dark and brooding. Let's be honest here, dark doesn't always mean realistic and not every hero is gonna be like that. Spider-Man is a balance of the two. He always has a sense of humor and uses that against his villains, so I wouldn't want them taking that away from him since it's part of the character. I like the suit too. Maybe the blue is a bit too bright but it's almost exactly like the comic suit.
@@theCantinafan Perhaps Peter did that because it was all he had available. Or because he wanted to be the bright figure that saves a person's day, despite the pain he carries?
Part of what made the IW suit-up work was that they made Tony wear a specialized set of clothing to fit the fact that the nanotech has to form around his body. He even has to take off his glasses. And now it's just an instant change function.
1000% agree. It’s a good example of a lot of their problems now. That Tony suit up sequence showed love and care. The stuff now just feel so… obligatory.
The thing I miss from the first iron man is Tony stark actually working like a real mechanic. The tinkering in his shop to the clearly thought out mechanical design of the iron man suit felt way more genuine. The nano tech feels like an upgrade that comes out of nowhere. It’s a massive leap to go from that first suit to nano tech, even for Tony stark. Blank panther is the only one who should use it as the entire nation of wakanda is technologically advanced.
Also, by real world logic, thousands of tiny detachable pieces of tech are less sturdy than solid pieces of armor. They could have made nanotech into something that's useful in some contexts and not others (such as when discretion and getting in and out of suit is more useful than sheer protection). It's already less tangible than a real looking suit, so for the sake of suspension of disbelief, the minimum would be to give it pros and cons and limitations.
@@maximeteppe7627 Yea, always thought that was so weird. If it can just come together like that and basically has no weight to it, then how can it actually be useful as armor?
@@maximeteppe7627 which is exactly what they did in infinity war and ptobably why it works so well there. We see it get blasted to peices over the fight until theirs not enough left for it to function.
I couldn’t agree more. I miss the practical suits and the days when something as advanced as nano tech was used only by select characters and it wasn’t something easily achieved. It’s a very tired trope now, used as a lazy method for writers to avoid explaining costumes origins and the logistics of character suiting up. Which is sad if you ask me, like you said, suiting up used to be an exhilarating event in past films. Especially if a hero had to worry about protecting a secret identity. That moment when a hero is scrambling in a chaotic moment, attempting to stealthily use their superhuman abilities to protect others, but also make sure no one notices all while trying to secretly change one article of clothing at a time. Even better is when the character relies on their costume and weapons to be effective, like iron man. Those scenes in earlier movies where he was in a dangerous situation with nothing more Thant his wits, struggling to fight off villains with bits and pieces of armament and crude weapons cobbled together from his environment. Not to mention his armors used to have seriously flaws and limits that were frequently tested. It created real drama. Even when we first met T’Challa he used a practical suit made of woven vibranium and an accompanying cowl that both had to be physically removed, which in my opinion made for better cinema. For example, when Bucky takes him unawares he has no choice but to fight him in his t-shirt, which makes things more compelling. Then he has to find a moment to duck out and suit up, and when the chase ends later and he is revealed to cap and others, it so much more dramatic that he has to physically remove his cowl like a mask/crown. Imagine that scene from civil war which a disappearing cgi cowl, not the same. Not to mention I can’t stand the idea that every hero and superhuman across the MCU is capable of creating complex state of the art suits, armaments and gear. I mean, I prefer the idea that people have to use the services of a skilled individual with resources, like the Tinkerer or Stark.
Totally agree! At least with BP we got to see a little more than just the costume appearing. There were those purple lines appearing that appeared to guide the nanites where to go. It’s such a simple little design detail that made it more grounded. Even Starlords mask did something like that.
I feel like the nano tech suits should have at least some depth to them so they don’t look so thin and have them form in like 5-6 seconds instead of just quickly putting it on so we can at least see it forming properly, like how when Tony first used it in IW and we got to see the suit forming at a much slower speed
It literally only showed it slowly in that part cause it was his first time showing off his nano you monkey. Not every suit up scene has to be slow motion like that
I actually like nanotech, i'm just bawling my eyes out because we didn't get Iron Man movie centered around Tony developing it. They also didn't flesh out its impact on the modern world. The problem is also with the lack of limitations... Nanotech just goes out of fucking nowhere apparently and has no downsides to it (except that one fight in endgame). It also has no uses outside of suits AND EVERYONE HAS IT, LIKE ITS GROWING ON TREES. This shit can easily replicate Iron Man's suit, build Black Panther suit out of nowhere, apparently Ant Man's suit is not a problem too...? Bro, can't a villain use it to become fucking unstoppable by stealing some of their data and buying nanotech bots from their grocery store? It just feels like magic that solves every single problem and writers don't want to explore the implications of this technology. Imagine if they needed some frames to form around, which some of the heroes would need to carry on them (that would make some sick suits) or if they couldn't form in harsh environment, if the character is covered in thick dirt or is in water? Maybe an EMP shock could disable them and force some characters to resort to traditional suits to avoid this disadvantage? Maybe nanotech could become illegal or restricted because of how insanely overpowered it could be? My mind just hurts because it has so much potential and marvel just doesn't give a fuck
Should have a villain who comes in and cripples all nanotech, forcing the heroes into new suits tailored by what's his face in She Hulk and the guy from Daredevil
Remember the scene from the 1st Ant man? When Scott had to put on his helmet to use his abilities? That's great example of why nanotech feels soulless!
This is something that shows like Power Rangers and Kamen Rider find a good middle ground. Because even though they are materializing the suit onto themselves, the transformation, or Henshin if you will, is treated with fanfare and the characters remain in suit until they power down or are defeated. And these shows have a considerably smaller budget compared to most Disney projects
Beat me to the punch, I was going to say something to the similar effect. I enjoy the fact that the suit ups are becoming quicker, its showing a fluidity of evolution of the world /tech that these heroes play in and also I am a huge fan of PR and Kamen Rider. So anything that gets us closer to it or borrows from it. Im all here for it.
@@damien2729 Here's the thing though, Power Rangers does have quick transformation sequences outside of a montage akin to Kamen Rider's. Even highlighting that they are protected during the sequence, showing why villains cant attack.
From a production standpoint, I can see why they’re doing it. The production teams don’t have to spend extra time tailoring an outfit for the actor, you don’t run the risk of the outfit being damaged during filming/post-production, no need to clean outfits, etc. From a fan standpoint, I agree with you. It’s fine for certain characters, as it’s part of their identity… including Ant-Man and co, given it was him and Tony who saved the universe with the whole Time Heist, and thus sharing the knowledge of nanotech makes sense. After No Way Home’s ending, with Peter making his own suit, I’m hoping that’s the end of the nanotech for future non-Wakandan characters. If every hero suddenly has access to it, it doesn’t feel as special, and frankly wouldn’t make sense… and I REALLY hope that Ironheart doesn’t get it in her series.
@@RizeUp8083 Well considering they've already filmed it and it's currently in post-production, I'm pretty sure they won't want to waste all that time and money. It's been delayed, yes, but it's still coming out.
The real reason is unlike costume makers/tailors, VFX artists aren't unionized which means big corporations get to abuse and overwork them however they want with little effort. It's all laziness and greed. And Kevin Feige and his directors are too creatively bankrupt to ask for more.
You got a great point, it was always a moment when you see the suit and this cinematic experience happens like “oh snap there it is” now it don’t lead up to that moment with the suits anymore they just slap it on
I think there's two reasons for this: it moves the story along slightly faster, and it makes it possible to unmask every minute for the actors to emote. I know it's silly but the constant unmasking bugs the sh*t out of me.
Not silly at all and very annoying, especially when it's done so much that my mind thinks of the studio desperately needing to show the actor's face instead of me staying in the moment of the scene.
Constant unmasking is so annoying, and the nano suits cater to that so bad. I get not many have secret identities, and taking your helmet/mask off during a fight just to say something is just downright foolish.
No not silly at all, it's lazy and it's actor fame grabbing. Studio; "Oh look we have *insert famous actor* and you can see his face proving it's him!!!"
Another thing I've hated is superhero suits not getting damaged enough, especially in the final battles, which is what I loved about Far From Home with Spider-Man's upgraded suit getting severely damaged to nearly the same level of damage as the final battle of Spider-Man 2 (2004). Sure costumes can get a bit grubby or a have a few dents in the armour, but Spidey's traditional costume getting huge tears is a great way of visually showing the stakes are high in the fight and how hard the hero has to work to save the day.
Spider-Man and Invincible really got this idea down. Your costume can look as bright, colorful, and iconic as you want, but it won’t hold up to the real battles you need to do as a hero.
I personally don’t like how the raimi spiderman suits looked in end battles, kinda ruins the visuals when theres a cool fight but his suit is torn to the point you barely recognize it so its just a white guy fighting in a onesie
From the perspective of being a superhero and having to get in a sudden battle unexpectedly or at any time spontaneously, slapping my chest or arc reactor or materializing a klyntar symbiote on to put on your suit within seconds makes thing more convenient. But this would be only for lazy heroes
I remember reading an article by Scandinavian studies scholar Helen Damico when researching for a paper in one of my literature courses. Her paper compared the "suit up" or "arming of the hero" scenes in "Beowulf" and the Prose Edda poem "Thrymskvitha", where Beowulf dawns his armor before going to fight Grendel's mother and where Thor, as a possible parody of that kind of typically heroic scene, dawns a wedding dress, respectively. She says that an arming scene “takes on the aura of a ritual and serves to enhance the warrior’s martial virtues and to anticipate his bravery in the forthcoming fight. … As the hero dons his equipment, each item … takes on celestial attributes, and … the hero is transformed from human ordinariness into a state that is superhuman, and at times akin to that of a natural force” (Damico 411) This quote is what came to mind while I was watching this video. Not sure how true it necessarily is in regard to the MCU, but I thought it was interesting.
I gotta agree with you there. I can't remember how many times I've watched Tony get into the Iron Man suits and all the parts coming together. I definitely miss that.
Tangibility is huge for people They don't feel like they understand the universe if they don't understand the superheroes powers. And if half of their powers is just "nanotechnology bro" then there's nothing to latch onto.
The original ironman suitup wth the music was epic, the way the cgi made the suit look that realistic with all the small details was amazing for that time.
Just watched Iron Man 1 and 2 again recently, and even the fake physicality of those suit-ups is just so good. Bits and bobs (those are the scientific terms) whirring and clanking into place gives me such childlike joy.
For Iron Man specifically though, the suit up convenience is part of his character progression, so it makes sense. I liked how No Way Home ended with MCU Peter going back to a handmade cloth suit to represent him going back to basics.
@@wdililn Yeah, but even with him, they waited until the very end of his journey to give him an armor like that. Up until that point, all the suits were practical in a sense. He’d either have specific points that contained it and helped him suit up (his workshop, his jet, his suitcases, he even had a weaker Iron Man repulsor gauntlet in his watch), or he’d have it fly to him remotely in pieces (Iron Man 3 and Age of Ultron). The nanotech was introduced waaaay down the line, and it was in a film where he’d be in a completely foreign environment and wouldn’t have access to more suits or technology, so it made sense.
I write my own stories, not for big movie or tv projects, or even so that I can publish them as a book, I just write stories for myself because I like it, and I like taking my characters into new interesting angles, and coming up with new stories for those characters. But If I were to make them into a movie series, then the way my MC (main character) and plenty of other other super hero characters in it would suit up is just, magic… that’s it just, magic. But I would make it into cool VFX shots where magical tendrils would flow around the character slowly pushing inwards as it forms their suit, I’m pretty sure that wasn’t a good explanation for how it would look, but if I ever get a chance to do a 3d animation of it or something, I guarantee it would look so much cooler than it sounds. I guess you could say it would look like as if these magical tendrils would flow across their body as it forms this nano-tech looking suit.
I agree 100%. The writers/filmmakers just don't want to deal with lingering questions like "At what point does the hero put on his or her suit?" or "Where does he keep it when he's not crime fighting?" or "Does he carry it around with him all the time?"
So in a world in which Norse gods (who are really just aliens) use wormholes summoned by a big ass sword to traverse the galaxy, that's OK, but where spiderman keeps his suit sometimes is beyond your suspension of disbelief? K.
I’m from the Transformer/He Man/Centurion era… the suit up was EVERYTHING!!! Ronan Warriors, Sailor Moon… I absolutely love that stuff. You hit it right on the nose when Iron Man first suited up for the first time, how cool it was to watch the process.
every great 80s action flick has a suit up montage. just think of rambo putting on all his gear and tying that headband. the suit up is iconic and they are speedrunning it lately.
I think Gunn did that to show how "out there" space tech is. Marvel overusing it only makes it less "out there". MCU is literally limiting their own worldbuilding.
I completely agree. I miss the suits ups. The scene in antman where he’s in the back of the cop car struggling to get the helmet on was perfect and practical. Iron man facing Loki, getting thrown off the stark tower then a missile suit comes to his rescue was thrilling. Hulk slowly transforming before hitting the leviathan was incredible. But we haven’t gotten shit like than since avengers 1 to Civil war
I agree with this but it also shows the advancements of the world (and wakanda) towards the start the world was barely using holograms while wakanda had integrated them seamlessly. Then they master holograms, wakanda moved to nanotech etc… but now nanotechnology has been integrated everywhere and I thinks it’s a really good way of showing that 5 entire years passed during the blip and the world progressed!
I hate how there was no sense of awe or grandeur in Quantumania when Scott just slapped on the Ant-Man suit during the free fall. He just smacked the button on his chest and it’s instantly there. Sure Scott and Cassie were in the danger of dying from the fall, but Marvel already did the awesome suit-up sequence during a dangerous scenario bit back in Iron Man 3 with the Mark 42 during the mansion attack.
It was cool seeing iron man’s progression in “suit up” technology over the course of a decade. From the spinning rings to the instant nano-suit. This shit had WEIGHT to it especially if you were someone who saw the original iron man in theatres. Ever since that kid with the nano helmet from Missouri showed up with that talking rabbit, it sorta went downhill from there for everyone else.
Infinity War had the best use of nanotech with Iron Man. The first use of the nano suit was epic and how the suit lost parts in the fight with Thanos too
You briefly shown the clip of no way home having Tobey and Andrew show up was INCREDIBLE, BUT. T and A's spider-man films always had the physical costumes, it felt real. seeing Andrew and Tobey just pull their mask down out of nowhere feels so wrong. especially when you see behind the scenes where there isn't even a mask present. just wrong.
But it is in their hands, even if it is CGI it can be seen and it IS realistic. Would you send that same message if you didn't know it wasn't real? Also, there's a shot in the movie where we can see their masks on top of some metal...things.
I feel like spiderman masking and demasking the cgi is acceptable since there is no smooth way to put on the mask on set. They all have plastic face shells so taking the mask off and on without CGI just wouldnt work
I feel like it’s cooler to see a superhero slowly dress themselves from head to toe, than it is to watch them slap their chest and have it on in an instant. Edit: I need sleep.
I've been saying this for years. Nano tech can easily be used as a lazy way to get characters into costume. It should be restricted to Iron Man. I think Black Panther's physical suit was better. You could see T'Challa physically remove his helmet for important moments like in Civil War.
The older Marvel movies for individual heroes had their own distinct flavour while still sharing the same humor which bound them together. Recent movies have REALLY lost that (I'm lookin at YOU QUANTUMANIA)
Very good point. Our idea of peril comes into it as well. At the end of the day, danger is thrilling when portrayed on screen efficiently. Iron Man is human in a very basic sense. Him putting the armour on is tapping into something primal, it’s telling us - hold onto your butts. If a character can just morph in and out of a suit, then we feel there’s no risk, because they are always a superhero, all the time, which isn’t as relatable as a mere mortal
I fully agree. We can say the same about the "Transformers" movies. The changes between car and robot were detailed and complex, everything fit together and made sense in the process, great to see. Today it's an instantaneous and "magical" transformation, very boring.
Totally agree. Ant-man specializes in size altering tech, I feel like they could have come up with a more interesting quick change suit then just nano tech. Like a suit stored in a small capsule that is programed to grow larger than normal that Scott can step into then shrinks to fit him. Kind of like spiderman's suit in Homecoming. There are materials with "memory." Imagine 6 connected squares that with the push of a botton fold in and create a cube. Take that idea and make a suit that grows, gets stepped on, then wraps itself around the wearer. Marvel excells over DC in my opinion because it's heroes are more like real people who can be heroes in stead of heroes who can pass as real people. When everyone is essentially ready to be their hero persona at any moment it blurs that line. Even something as simple as Jen Walters wanting to take off her shoes befor becoming She-Hulk is a signal that these characters have real concerns in their life. Black Panther's nano tech suit used to destroy loose fitting clothing when activated and that was a nice detail. When becoming a hero comes at no cost it is not special.
one of my favorite costume changes is thor’s during thor:ragnarok when hela first appears. its fast and flashy with the lightning. it makes sense for more heroes to use nanotech suits as thats currently the peak of armor tech in their universe but for me nothing beats the og costumes and suits from phases 1-3, especially ironman’s
Im ok with some heroes having nanotech suits, but some not so much I think a really good suit up is Moon Knights as it isnt one he has to change into but its also not a nanotech suit, its one that he summons around himself due to Khonshus abilities. Also I think it looks amazing when the bandages slowly wrap around him then the hood just comes up.
This is part of why I loved NWH so much. Seeing the old Raimi and Amazing suits was a breath of fresh air. And of course, the ending was about as perfect as it could be seeing Tom's Spidey wearing the original Red and Blue suit with the giant spider on the back. It was cool at first seeing nanotech with Tony's last suit and T'Challa's nano suit but now, it's gotten old. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" is just not cutting it with Marvel anymore.
How is it old? 19 entries since the start of phase 4, only ones that have nano tech are NWH, BP2 which makes sense since Wakanda created the tech. And then antman. You could argue Thor:L&T was out of place, but every other entry has physical costumes or the handful of costumes that come from magic(scarlet witch, moon knight) which makes sense not being a physical costume
@@appawlicki something doesn’t literally have to be done a million times to be old. The novelty has worn off and the feature films are all trending in the same direction with the suit designs. If it was one or two heroes, maybe. Started with Tony and Endgame, then BP, then Thor, then NWH. Antman, almost every major character had a nano suit.
Thankfully, with Spider-Man's "reset" after his last outing, we will see him return to a more conventional "suit-up" - for which I am glad, unlike iron-man and ant-man, his power derives not form his suit but his actual body.
It's worse because this is a solved issue. Peter always wears his suit under his clothes, Tony invented multiple ways of keeping an Iron Man suit nearby that he could summon at a moment's notice. Cap Doesn't NEED a suit, it's just a costume. Other characters just wear their suits because it's a uniform. The suits even used to serve as plot points and tension in earlier films. In Iron Man 2 he's running for his life from Whiplash while waiting for Pepper to get his briefcase suit. In the Sam Raimi trilogy, he'd sometimes lose or forget his suit and have to improvise.
Couldn’t agree more. During Ant-man Quantum maniac, there was a moment where i actually thought “cassie is gonna talk now so her mask is gonna off” and after beating 2 guards it went off the moment they were down. I don’t know why but it somehow became a distraction. You can tell that the actors don’t respond to it at all either. Most of the time, the actors aren’t wearing a mask anymore when they have a dialoge scene after a fight and that makes it feel so weird, i’d prefer them to take it off or something. I really miss the movies where Marvel used practical and vfx together instead of “lets just slap cgi against anything that would take the slightest bit of effort”
in the theatre i didnt realize these suits were meant to be nanotech like ironmans or black panthers. i thought they were shrinking the suit and then resizing it to fit them when they pressed their chest. could've been a cool antman way to do that instead of the by this point cliche'd nanotech.
Yep, plus a big part of the draw of live action adaptations is seeing these characters and their worlds and costumes in physical, tangible contexts. If the suits are going to be CGI nanotechnology anyhow, might as well do animated films where that can be done better and more interestingly anyway.
Even Ant Man 1 had a cool suit up scene in the shower that led to in my opinion one of the coolest Marvel scenes when Scott was figuring out his powers running into obstacles.
It's not just Marvel. We've seen a bit of it DC too. Supergirl started using a nano suit in season 5, Flash got a cowl that started just materializing, and dematerializing in the later season, same with the DCEU Flash in his solo movie.
They might be doing this to lessen the cost of production and make editing faster but you're right it does look lazier and plain compared to the old ones
I'm glad you addressed the black panther and iron man, cause they make sense. What should've happened after those is they should've said that Tony kept nanotech as much on lockdown as the blueprint to build the iron man suit Cause nano tech could be as if not more dangerous, so the last remnants were the time travel suits and they were destroyed in endgame
The first iron man suit up is still one of my favorite moments in these movies and I get your point. But with constant unmasking, may I point you to the anarchist V. We never once see his face, but through choice of words, tone and body language, you're still able to see what he's feeling at any given time. It could be a good chance for actors to be differently expressive
I don't mind transformations but there is no reason for it to be 100% CG in every shot. A little practical prop goes a long way for an audience. Aside from that my only other problem is that they show a cool new suit at the end of a movie, which is maybe in a few scenes of the next movie before its again replaced almost immediately. Like Ms Marvel, she just got an awesome suit, its immediately being changed. Spider-man had like four suits in NWH. I think Captain America is getting a new NWO suit when he just got a suit at the very end of his series.
when they nanosuit up what happens to their clothes underneath? are they just wearing a three piece suit with loafers into battle with a flimsy layer of technosand slapped on top? doesn't sound very sturdy or mobile
Arming scenes can be really important to the narrative structure of a story . This has been around since Homer's Iliad - perhaps ever earlier. (Paris in Book 3, Agamemnon in Book 11, Patroclus in Book 16, and Achilles in Book 19). It helps to foreshadow the outcome of the military conflict and gives you information on the hero. Unfortunately with Marvel, this has been diluted because there are so many characters.
Makes me worried for armour wars, your spot on with Tony’s suiting up being a event. It should be a transformation otherwise just let em wear clothes from GAP.
I agree. One thing I loved with the Andrew Garfield’s (vs Tom Holland) Spider-Man is that his suit folded and wrinkled like any non-metal suit would. Hell the had parts of it flapping in the wind when was swinging around in his 2nd film.
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Taking off a helmet has so much more impact than having it just de-materialize. Like when T'Challa took off his helmet and set it in the snow when he confronted Zemo.
OR when he took it off revealing he was the black panther after the chase scene!
Congrats u watched the same video abt this I did
also when cap about to fight george st pierre in lemurian star that moment was badass
I know right? This is getting lazy
That's a great example
Ant-Man's original suit was so cool. It felt way more tangible and realistic than his newer ones.
His suit from AMATW and Endgame should've been the peak of Ant-Man suits. Just a regular suit with a retractable helmet, shouldn't have gone nanotech all the way. I miss the days when his suits had to be shrunken down to action figure size just to be carried around and even hidden away, that seemed more on-brand with the character
Is the ant man suit in quantumania even nanotechnology?
@@rhetiq9989 your opinion is true tho.. should've used the AMATW
The same with black panther suit..the black and silver suit with the physical helmet was waaayy better than the black and purple freaking nanotech
You seriously want realism in a superhero movie? Especially when the MCU's always been unrealistic since the first Iron Man?
The only recent Marvel suit up scene I liked was Moon Knight's. I really enjoyed when Marc looks like he got possessed with white pupils as bandages wrap his body. That's quite unique and makes a lot of sense.
OH YES. that was an amazing suit-up scene, especially as you see it wrapping round him as he turns around. Very cool. The slo-mo suit ups are awesome. Every time though? maybe not, that could get tedious. However, the zappy suit ups by nanotech seem a little low budget for me compared the likes of Moon knight and iron mans first nanosuit suit-up. A way to combat this would be to not have them suit up every time they go to run somewhere, they need to bring back the times when, suiting up meant business and theres a dramatic moment and time stops for them to change. Now though, we see that if they go to leave a room they just tap their chest and zap off screen.
And it's literally magic, as opposed to basically-magic nano tech.
Yeah, that's kinda the last thing i liked from the mcu
Moon Knight was a fun ride in a sea of the otherwise lazy and forgettable string of new Marvel content.
@@peytonalexander5300I beg to differ. Marvel’s just gone to shit imo, and Moon Knight was no exception
The scene where T'challa takes of his helmet in front of the cop in Civil War is very good and shows how versatile an actual armor can be in story telling.
Man Civil War is so freaking good. That scene is amazing, the part where T'Challa stops Zemo from killing himself by covering the gun with his glove gives me chills
The problem is that they dont use physical suits anymore. They only wear those motion capture suits. A mix of both would fix the issue that it looks so weird. That and they have to give the vfx teams more time lol
Uhhh they still use physical suits. Even in endgame where the suit was entirely cgi, they wore a costume underneath bc they weren't sure what the final design would be. And also there's a few suits that were entirely cgi that no one could tell. Like captain marvel in endgame
@@Radb707 Uhhhh
Producer: "Don't worry we'll do it in post."
VFX artist: "What do you mean we?"
What do you mean they don’t use physical suits Spider-Man‘s new suit after no way home. The scarlet witch and Doctor Strange‘s costumes. Thor and so many more.
@@JONDCON Still. The Ant-Man suits from Quantumania are practical most of the time u see them on screen
Marvel has gotten complacent. They've been the best for so long that they've forgotten what made them that way. The writing has been getting more and more lazy, and so has the character design.
It doesn't help that they also hired Rick and Morty writers to write a few of their movies.
James Gunn and DC are gonna give them a rude awakening!
@Bakasta Hopefully. I think it's possible, but they've rebooted the DC movie franchises so many times that I don't even know if they can stick to one coherent universe.
@@zakarymcleod1850 no
I have always kind of liked dceu movies better than marvels, bc marvels movies consist of too much jokes, not enough seriousness, too much sex, and other nonsense, and sneak jokes, and trying to look cool, with dceu movies, there was always seriousness, problem solving, trying to get the message of the movie, only times I have felt like that on marvels was when it was spiderman with tobey maguire and andrew garfield, and early thors, maybe even loki, forgetting some others, I think captain america
When Iron Man put on his suit, there was weight to it, his body reacted to each piece attaching itself. It was literally the way of telling "shit just got real". Damn I miss those movies.
That suit up was hands down the best in the entire mcu.
They need real costumes or a full Magical Girl transformation sequence.
That's the only way.
Yeah, it’s frankly a little boring to watch the suit just… appear, ya know? If they want to go that route they could at least make the effect look less plain-looking.
Agreed, if they're returning the original looks of their outfits from the comic books, they might as well go all out with a transformation
I think Doctor Strange's outfit is a good middle ground here. He can summon his robes like nanotech, but he has to first don the cape and initiate his magic. It made for one of the coolest and iconic shots in phase 4 in Multiverse of Madness, where he sort of Spider-Mans his way out of a wedding and into action.
I am happy that now Peter doesn't have his iron spider suit now, so we will see him suiting up as a classic spiderman
That scene you describe made me feel like watching a classic super hero film, the way Stephen turns into "Doctor Strange" in seconds.
@@RandomRUclipsEnjoyer Yeah, him making his suit from scratch without any tech gear was a good call, I agree
@@Geral454 100%. When I think of Sam Raimi's effect on that film I immediately think of that sequence. I've watched it several times, it's just so good
It's not a cape it's a cloak
Also its cool to see the heroes improvise a plan to defeat their enemy when their suits are getting destroyed
Trueee, this was a big thing in iron man, all 3 movies but mainly 1 & 3, plus in a few other movies he’s in. It’s really cool and id love to see more of it
Even Ironman with his NanoTech was improvising by using Left over damage pieces on his chest to other areas, which costed him his life.
How they're treated in other films is just a Scapegoat to not create a Physical suit!
How cheap is it to make an Animated Movie with Animated Actors in Animated Suit compared to a Practical Suit with Practical Actors?
@@baligong3592 animation is just as expensive because of how many people are needed for the process
Yeah, and hey, animation and CGI is expensive and takes time. But I don't know why that means devolving in quality.
Here's the problem, at any given time, only two or three Marvel products were in production. With Disney Plus, there's now eight to ten projects simultaneously in the works. Of course they don't have time, money and labour to fill in the gaps.
I said devolving because they DID do a better job with less tech in the past. Iron Man is over a decade old. And the way to solve this problem is to go back to props and practical costumes.
I can understand Thanos needs to be CGI. But I do not understand why Ant Man 3 and Thor 4 is full of people removing their helmets just to crack jokes and such.
It is such a drain on resources.
But that can also get repetitive
Nothing tops a hero getting changed in an alley or ripping their shirt open to reveal their costume underneath.
i definitely miss the physical suits, they looked so dope and it made me feel like they were actually wearing the suit
Gone are those days when superheroes had to hide their suit under their normal clothes 😭
Well the new Spiderman is probably going back to the roots.
Thank god we got a new superman coming up
@@jeffsantos93 hopefully
Now it's vice versa sometimes.
Ok, but that was always stupid. It needed replacing. Only works for skin tight suits, and if ur shirt is slipping down even a little, ur identity is shot.
The thing that no one really seems to mention is the way they constantly have to remove their mask/helmet/etc, whenever there is a conversation anywhere. It's like an obsession to show the actor as much as possible even when it's stupid, like in the middle of a battle field.
My sister had this exact same comment about the last Ant Man Movie, when they would constantely remove their helmets even to stare down their enemies, even when there were lasers and creatures and debris flying everywhere.
This is the same issue i have, its so damn silly every time they do it. Im so tired of them taking off the helmets that i dont even see them as a hero anymore... Just the actual showing there face for money 😔
Like I’m sure that they have the technology to project their voices through their helmets 🤣😂
Bro, this has been a thing since day one you’re just gonna have to deal with it
Yeah agreed! I want to see the characters in their costumes with their masks on most of the time. I don't care about the actors teaming up I care about the characters teaming up in their suits like it's coming out of a comic. Another thing to is I feel like the actors are playing more of themselves instead of playing the character. Like Mark Ruffalo for example. I feel like he used to play Bruce Banner in Avengers 1 and 2 but ever since Thor Ragnorok it feels like to me that he's just playing himself and not the character if that makes sense. I feel like thats what happened to the majority of MCU characters now too. I'm really worried about the future of this universe and I hope things back on the right path.
I think besides BP and Ironman, Antman actually has the most logical reasoning to have a “nano”-tech suit. He is constantly changing sizes so it makes sense to me over the standard leather suit he has. It could be easily explained away that using equally small technology like Nano tech may better protect Scott’s physiology from unnaturally shifting his volume with Pym-Particles
I mean it also make sense that if one super genius on the team has a nano tech suit that he’d create one for anyone on his team that wants/needs it .
I don't care any of that shit , it's fiction anyone can make.and it don't really have laws
Would actually be cool if they carry around a small suit and make it increase in size to suit up. The same idea as The Flash storing his suit in the Flash Ring to suit up. Not just slap their chest and then suit up
@brutuslugo3969 I think the best way to explain it canonically is that after endgame Scott Lang snagged a couple of the suits they used for time travel that used the nanotech and gave it to hank who was able to reverse-engineer the tech and implemented it into Scott and hopes suits
Kang taking his helmet off just to show ant man that he is such a powerful threat would have been a pretty powerful moment
The end of No Way Home was especially amazing because Peter Parker could no longer use the nano tech, he had to make his own suit from scratch, it felt like the real spiderman was back
Kinda wish the suit was darker. I feel like MARVEL is trying to make everything fun and games or epic. Dark themes are gone, which is just supid because in no way is a superheroes life fun and just cool action.
@@theCantinafan real talk like I get they’re trying to appeal to kids but it’s just annoying and repetitive now especially with all the corny jokes and dialogue
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Exactly. In no way would a superheroes life be cool in this world. A good franchise mimics reality without being reality.
Yeah, but in terms of Spider-Man, he's not always dark and brooding. Let's be honest here, dark doesn't always mean realistic and not every hero is gonna be like that. Spider-Man is a balance of the two. He always has a sense of humor and uses that against his villains, so I wouldn't want them taking that away from him since it's part of the character. I like the suit too. Maybe the blue is a bit too bright but it's almost exactly like the comic suit.
@@theCantinafan Perhaps Peter did that because it was all he had available. Or because he wanted to be the bright figure that saves a person's day, despite the pain he carries?
Part of what made the IW suit-up work was that they made Tony wear a specialized set of clothing to fit the fact that the nanotech has to form around his body. He even has to take off his glasses. And now it's just an instant change function.
Fun fact, if ya slow it down you can see his glasses dissolve into his hand! Theyre nanotech too!
@@dalefitzgerald4177 he didn't need to take off the glasses, he just knew it would be cooler if he did it
@@dalefitzgerald4177 those glasses aren’t even correcting shit either. He totally has no no prescription lenses
@@thesnipingspider3852 he has is Friday interface in them
Yeah, nanotech made the most sense with tony.
Completely agree, sometimes a superhero putting their helmet/mask/cowl on is what we need.
1000% agree. It’s a good example of a lot of their problems now. That Tony suit up sequence showed love and care. The stuff now just feel so… obligatory.
The thing I miss from the first iron man is Tony stark actually working like a real mechanic. The tinkering in his shop to the clearly thought out mechanical design of the iron man suit felt way more genuine. The nano tech feels like an upgrade that comes out of nowhere. It’s a massive leap to go from that first suit to nano tech, even for Tony stark. Blank panther is the only one who should use it as the entire nation of wakanda is technologically advanced.
Also, by real world logic, thousands of tiny detachable pieces of tech are less sturdy than solid pieces of armor. They could have made nanotech into something that's useful in some contexts and not others (such as when discretion and getting in and out of suit is more useful than sheer protection). It's already less tangible than a real looking suit, so for the sake of suspension of disbelief, the minimum would be to give it pros and cons and limitations.
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Yea, always thought that was so weird. If it can just come together like that and basically has no weight to it, then how can it actually be useful as armor?
And now, the "ultra smart" Casey Lang and Riri Williams can just make something superior out of thin air
@@Knifehands__ except the comics have a much longer continuity. In the movies's universe it is a big leap
@@maximeteppe7627 which is exactly what they did in infinity war and ptobably why it works so well there. We see it get blasted to peices over the fight until theirs not enough left for it to function.
I couldn’t agree more. I miss the practical suits and the days when something as advanced as nano tech was used only by select characters and it wasn’t something easily achieved. It’s a very tired trope now, used as a lazy method for writers to avoid explaining costumes origins and the logistics of character suiting up. Which is sad if you ask me, like you said, suiting up used to be an exhilarating event in past films. Especially if a hero had to worry about protecting a secret identity. That moment when a hero is scrambling in a chaotic moment, attempting to stealthily use their superhuman abilities to protect others, but also make sure no one notices all while trying to secretly change one article of clothing at a time. Even better is when the character relies on their costume and weapons to be effective, like iron man. Those scenes in earlier movies where he was in a dangerous situation with nothing more Thant his wits, struggling to fight off villains with bits and pieces of armament and crude weapons cobbled together from his environment. Not to mention his armors used to have seriously flaws and limits that were frequently tested. It created real drama. Even when we first met T’Challa he used a practical suit made of woven vibranium and an accompanying cowl that both had to be physically removed, which in my opinion made for better cinema. For example, when Bucky takes him unawares he has no choice but to fight him in his t-shirt, which makes things more compelling. Then he has to find a moment to duck out and suit up, and when the chase ends later and he is revealed to cap and others, it so much more dramatic that he has to physically remove his cowl like a mask/crown. Imagine that scene from civil war which a disappearing cgi cowl, not the same.
Not to mention I can’t stand the idea that every hero and superhuman across the MCU is capable of creating complex state of the art suits, armaments and gear. I mean, I prefer the idea that people have to use the services of a skilled individual with resources, like the Tinkerer or Stark.
Totally agree! At least with BP we got to see a little more than just the costume appearing. There were those purple lines appearing that appeared to guide the nanites where to go. It’s such a simple little design detail that made it more grounded. Even Starlords mask did something like that.
I feel like the nano tech suits should have at least some depth to them so they don’t look so thin and have them form in like 5-6 seconds instead of just quickly putting it on so we can at least see it forming properly, like how when Tony first used it in IW and we got to see the suit forming at a much slower speed
Yeah shit got lazy over that rathouse
It literally only showed it slowly in that part cause it was his first time showing off his nano you monkey. Not every suit up scene has to be slow motion like that
I actually like nanotech, i'm just bawling my eyes out because we didn't get Iron Man movie centered around Tony developing it. They also didn't flesh out its impact on the modern world.
The problem is also with the lack of limitations... Nanotech just goes out of fucking nowhere apparently and has no downsides to it (except that one fight in endgame). It also has no uses outside of suits AND EVERYONE HAS IT, LIKE ITS GROWING ON TREES.
This shit can easily replicate Iron Man's suit, build Black Panther suit out of nowhere, apparently Ant Man's suit is not a problem too...? Bro, can't a villain use it to become fucking unstoppable by stealing some of their data and buying nanotech bots from their grocery store?
It just feels like magic that solves every single problem and writers don't want to explore the implications of this technology.
Imagine if they needed some frames to form around, which some of the heroes would need to carry on them (that would make some sick suits)
or if they couldn't form in harsh environment, if the character is covered in thick dirt or is in water? Maybe an EMP shock could disable them and force some characters to resort to traditional suits to avoid this disadvantage?
Maybe nanotech could become illegal or restricted because of how insanely overpowered it could be?
My mind just hurts because it has so much potential and marvel just doesn't give a fuck
@@cccbbbccc5910 all good suggestions you made, unfortunately the writers over at marvel are putting forth minimal effort from phase 4 onward
It was slowed down a bit that’s why
Should have a villain who comes in and cripples all nanotech, forcing the heroes into new suits tailored by what's his face in She Hulk and the guy from Daredevil
Would it be a hacker type villain?
lol
Undress-man that would be the name of the villain 😅
knowing what kang did in quantumania, maybe he can do something about it?
That would be both awesome and hilarious!
Remember the scene from the 1st Ant man? When Scott had to put on his helmet to use his abilities? That's great example of why nanotech feels soulless!
Thanks for making this a quick discussion and not a dragged synopsis on how the suits worked in the cartoons and comics
This is something that shows like Power Rangers and Kamen Rider find a good middle ground. Because even though they are materializing the suit onto themselves, the transformation, or Henshin if you will, is treated with fanfare and the characters remain in suit until they power down or are defeated. And these shows have a considerably smaller budget compared to most Disney projects
Beat me to the punch, I was going to say something to the similar effect. I enjoy the fact that the suit ups are becoming quicker, its showing a fluidity of evolution of the world /tech that these heroes play in and also I am a huge fan of PR and Kamen Rider. So anything that gets us closer to it or borrows from it. Im all here for it.
queue GGPR
Would you really want a transformation montage like Power Rangers when everyone suits up though throughout the movie lol
@@damien2729 Maybe not to the extent of Power Rangers lol. But I think Kamen Rider and the like, strike a good balance.
@@damien2729 Here's the thing though, Power Rangers does have quick transformation sequences outside of a montage akin to Kamen Rider's. Even highlighting that they are protected during the sequence, showing why villains cant attack.
From a production standpoint, I can see why they’re doing it. The production teams don’t have to spend extra time tailoring an outfit for the actor, you don’t run the risk of the outfit being damaged during filming/post-production, no need to clean outfits, etc.
From a fan standpoint, I agree with you. It’s fine for certain characters, as it’s part of their identity… including Ant-Man and co, given it was him and Tony who saved the universe with the whole Time Heist, and thus sharing the knowledge of nanotech makes sense.
After No Way Home’s ending, with Peter making his own suit, I’m hoping that’s the end of the nanotech for future non-Wakandan characters. If every hero suddenly has access to it, it doesn’t feel as special, and frankly wouldn’t make sense… and I REALLY hope that Ironheart doesn’t get it in her series.
Lol iron hearts not coming out
@@RizeUp8083 Well considering they've already filmed it and it's currently in post-production, I'm pretty sure they won't want to waste all that time and money.
It's been delayed, yes, but it's still coming out.
@@BYERE not unless it's trash and a producer previews it and axes it on the spot like Batgirl.
From a production standpoint that is lazyness
The real reason is unlike costume makers/tailors, VFX artists aren't unionized which means big corporations get to abuse and overwork them however they want with little effort.
It's all laziness and greed. And Kevin Feige and his directors are too creatively bankrupt to ask for more.
Man hit the nail on the head with the old school suit up scenes. That iron man suit up gave me chills just with the bits that were shown.
You got a great point, it was always a moment when you see the suit and this cinematic experience happens like “oh snap there it is” now it don’t lead up to that moment with the suits anymore they just slap it on
I think there's two reasons for this: it moves the story along slightly faster, and it makes it possible to unmask every minute for the actors to emote. I know it's silly but the constant unmasking bugs the sh*t out of me.
Not silly at all and very annoying, especially when it's done so much that my mind thinks of the studio desperately needing to show the actor's face instead of me staying in the moment of the scene.
It's especially bad in ant-man, who has always had a helmet that opens up.
Constant unmasking is so annoying, and the nano suits cater to that so bad. I get not many have secret identities, and taking your helmet/mask off during a fight just to say something is just downright foolish.
No not silly at all, it's lazy and it's actor fame grabbing.
Studio; "Oh look we have *insert famous actor* and you can see his face proving it's him!!!"
Made worse with Halo
Another thing I've hated is superhero suits not getting damaged enough, especially in the final battles, which is what I loved about Far From Home with Spider-Man's upgraded suit getting severely damaged to nearly the same level of damage as the final battle of Spider-Man 2 (2004).
Sure costumes can get a bit grubby or a have a few dents in the armour, but Spidey's traditional costume getting huge tears is a great way of visually showing the stakes are high in the fight and how hard the hero has to work to save the day.
True. I even like how in the original Ironman Tony’s suit would get scratched up every time he went into battle.
They really push the whole, my suit is made of vibranium so it’ll never break narrative nowadays.
Spider-Man and Invincible really got this idea down.
Your costume can look as bright, colorful, and iconic as you want, but it won’t hold up to the real battles you need to do as a hero.
This is also an easy way to incorporate suit upgrades behind the scenes in each film.
I personally don’t like how the raimi spiderman suits looked in end battles, kinda ruins the visuals when theres a cool fight but his suit is torn to the point you barely recognize it so its just a white guy fighting in a onesie
From the perspective of being a superhero and having to get in a sudden battle unexpectedly or at any time spontaneously, slapping my chest or arc reactor or materializing a klyntar symbiote on to put on your suit within seconds makes thing more convenient. But this would be only for lazy heroes
This never even occurred to me until now, but I can't un-think of it anymore, you're absolutely right.
I remember reading an article by Scandinavian studies scholar Helen Damico when researching for a paper in one of my literature courses. Her paper compared the "suit up" or "arming of the hero" scenes in "Beowulf" and the Prose Edda poem "Thrymskvitha", where Beowulf dawns his armor before going to fight Grendel's mother and where Thor, as a possible parody of that kind of typically heroic scene, dawns a wedding dress, respectively. She says that an arming scene “takes on the aura of a ritual and serves to enhance the warrior’s martial virtues and to anticipate his bravery in the forthcoming fight. … As the hero dons his equipment, each item … takes on celestial attributes, and … the hero is transformed from human ordinariness into a state that is superhuman, and at times akin to that of a natural force” (Damico 411)
This quote is what came to mind while I was watching this video. Not sure how true it necessarily is in regard to the MCU, but I thought it was interesting.
You never appreciate the art of good craftsmanship, until it’s gone
This is 1 hell of underestimated commentary... kudos dude. That is the point
Simplicity is also a thing.
I gotta agree with you there. I can't remember how many times I've watched Tony get into the Iron Man suits and all the parts coming together. I definitely miss that.
Tangibility is huge for people
They don't feel like they understand the universe if they don't understand the superheroes powers.
And if half of their powers is just "nanotechnology bro" then there's nothing to latch onto.
The original ironman suitup wth the music was epic, the way the cgi made the suit look that realistic with all the small details was amazing for that time.
Just watched Iron Man 1 and 2 again recently, and even the fake physicality of those suit-ups is just so good. Bits and bobs (those are the scientific terms) whirring and clanking into place gives me such childlike joy.
Exactly - you see the mechanics. Not unlike the animation behind Transformers (not the best films but pretty amazing animation)
For Iron Man specifically though, the suit up convenience is part of his character progression, so it makes sense. I liked how No Way Home ended with MCU Peter going back to a handmade cloth suit to represent him going back to basics.
@@wdililn Yeah, but even with him, they waited until the very end of his journey to give him an armor like that. Up until that point, all the suits were practical in a sense. He’d either have specific points that contained it and helped him suit up (his workshop, his jet, his suitcases, he even had a weaker Iron Man repulsor gauntlet in his watch), or he’d have it fly to him remotely in pieces (Iron Man 3 and Age of Ultron). The nanotech was introduced waaaay down the line, and it was in a film where he’d be in a completely foreign environment and wouldn’t have access to more suits or technology, so it made sense.
All the doodads and thingamajigs clanking against the watchamacallits is just incredible!
it also just simply feels good
This ain't even close to being the main problem they have now
I write my own stories, not for big movie or tv projects, or even so that I can publish them as a book, I just write stories for myself because I like it, and I like taking my characters into new interesting angles, and coming up with new stories for those characters.
But If I were to make them into a movie series, then the way my MC (main character) and plenty of other other super hero characters in it would suit up is just, magic… that’s it just, magic.
But I would make it into cool VFX shots where magical tendrils would flow around the character slowly pushing inwards as it forms their suit, I’m pretty sure that wasn’t a good explanation for how it would look, but if I ever get a chance to do a 3d animation of it or something, I guarantee it would look so much cooler than it sounds.
I guess you could say it would look like as if these magical tendrils would flow across their body as it forms this nano-tech looking suit.
I agree 100%. The writers/filmmakers just don't want to deal with lingering questions like "At what point does the hero put on his or her suit?" or "Where does he keep it when he's not crime fighting?" or "Does he carry it around with him all the time?"
in other words lazy writing
So in a world in which Norse gods (who are really just aliens) use wormholes summoned by a big ass sword to traverse the galaxy, that's OK, but where spiderman keeps his suit sometimes is beyond your suspension of disbelief?
K.
@@calliph those are norse gods lol, they are already out of earth concept since movie 1 🤦♂️
@@calliph "Spiderman can summon big portals, just like Norse gods"
If only they had heaps of material already written with pictures to get inspiration from. Oh wait…
I liked the fact that now Peter has a suit free of that Stark technology, like, now it's Peter's own thing
I’m from the Transformer/He Man/Centurion era… the suit up was EVERYTHING!!! Ronan Warriors, Sailor Moon… I absolutely love that stuff. You hit it right on the nose when Iron Man first suited up for the first time, how cool it was to watch the process.
every great 80s action flick has a suit up montage. just think of rambo putting on all his gear and tying that headband. the suit up is iconic and they are speedrunning it lately.
Don't forget Members of Voltron combining before the Epic ass kicking that follows...
Kamen Rider
Saw the thumbnail and knew exactly where this was heading lol
the "resonance" playing in the background made me subscribe!
The nanotech thing really started in Guardians of Galaxy with Star-Lord’s mask
It wasn’t Nanotech, idk what it was but all I know is it isn’t Nanotech
@@gibbsterV I think it’s an old nanotech
There's this misconception that nanotech started in black panther but it started in gotg vol 1, star lord's helmet is confirmed to be nanotech.
I think Gunn did that to show how "out there" space tech is. Marvel overusing it only makes it less "out there". MCU is literally limiting their own worldbuilding.
@@gibbsterV ok so they don’t call it nano tech or whatever… but it’s still nanotech…
I completely agree. I miss the suits ups. The scene in antman where he’s in the back of the cop car struggling to get the helmet on was perfect and practical. Iron man facing Loki, getting thrown off the stark tower then a missile suit comes to his rescue was thrilling. Hulk slowly transforming before hitting the leviathan was incredible. But we haven’t gotten shit like than since avengers 1 to Civil war
Yea nothing I like better then watching people change clothes
I agree with this but it also shows the advancements of the world (and wakanda) towards the start the world was barely using holograms while wakanda had integrated them seamlessly. Then they master holograms, wakanda moved to nanotech etc… but now nanotechnology has been integrated everywhere and I thinks it’s a really good way of showing that 5 entire years passed during the blip and the world progressed!
I hate how there was no sense of awe or grandeur in Quantumania when Scott just slapped on the Ant-Man suit during the free fall. He just smacked the button on his chest and it’s instantly there.
Sure Scott and Cassie were in the danger of dying from the fall, but Marvel already did the awesome suit-up sequence during a dangerous scenario bit back in Iron Man 3 with the Mark 42 during the mansion attack.
It was cool seeing iron man’s progression in “suit up” technology over the course of a decade. From the spinning rings to the instant nano-suit. This shit had WEIGHT to it especially if you were someone who saw the original iron man in theatres.
Ever since that kid with the nano helmet from Missouri showed up with that talking rabbit, it sorta went downhill from there for everyone else.
What kid, and what rabbit-?
@@eeveeofalltrades4780 think Star Lord and the "rabbit" is Rocket Raccoon
Lmaoo you straight up roasted guardians of the galaxy 😂
You lost me with that last paragraph?
@@IllisiaAdams it’ll come to you
eventually
Infinity War had the best use of nanotech with Iron Man. The first use of the nano suit was epic and how the suit lost parts in the fight with Thanos too
Back in my day we had to find a phone booth to change into our costume
I loved hearing the iron man mask clanking when it was put on
You briefly shown the clip of no way home
having Tobey and Andrew show up was INCREDIBLE, BUT.
T and A's spider-man films always had the physical costumes, it felt real. seeing Andrew and Tobey just pull their mask down out of nowhere feels so wrong.
especially when you see behind the scenes where there isn't even a mask present. just wrong.
But it is in their hands, even if it is CGI it can be seen and it IS realistic. Would you send that same message if you didn't know it wasn't real? Also, there's a shot in the movie where we can see their masks on top of some metal...things.
They literally had cg masks throughout all previous Spider-Man films LMAO
It still bothers me how when Tobey showed up for the first time you can clearly see by how the way his shirt is cut there is no suit underneath it
@@robl0xgamer258 Um No TASM used physical suits andrew even played basketball in it
I feel like spiderman masking and demasking the cgi is acceptable since there is no smooth way to put on the mask on set. They all have plastic face shells so taking the mask off and on without CGI just wouldnt work
I feel like it’s cooler to see a superhero slowly dress themselves from head to toe, than it is to watch them slap their chest and have it on in an instant.
Edit: I need sleep.
"color"☠
That's what she said
@@SantiTheBest that’s what happens when you don’t get enough sleep
@@blankspace42 God fucking dammit I need to go to sleep
@@Spadeaswell are you still awake-
Glad to see someone else bringing it up, I thought I was the only one
Peter Parker: "I hear ya, bro"
*whips out OG threads*
They essentially took away the whole "change in a broom closet" trope that spider man did so well that one time
There’s gonna be a generation who don’t know what it was like to see a cool suit up scene 😔
you know we can still watch the first movies right
Tailors are replaced by cgi
@@Tippy555 you have to think about those stereotypical comic book geeks when reading some of these comments 😂😂
@@Tippy555 you don't know about recency bias
Ok boomer
I've been saying this for years. Nano tech can easily be used as a lazy way to get characters into costume. It should be restricted to Iron Man. I think Black Panther's physical suit was better. You could see T'Challa physically remove his helmet for important moments like in Civil War.
Cut to scene when deadpool was trying save a old man from a mugger and he struggle to put his suit on
The older Marvel movies for individual heroes had their own distinct flavour while still sharing the same humor which bound them together. Recent movies have REALLY lost that (I'm lookin at YOU QUANTUMANIA)
Very good point. Our idea of peril comes into it as well. At the end of the day, danger is thrilling when portrayed on screen efficiently. Iron Man is human in a very basic sense. Him putting the armour on is tapping into something primal, it’s telling us - hold onto your butts. If a character can just morph in and out of a suit, then we feel there’s no risk, because they are always a superhero, all the time, which isn’t as relatable as a mere mortal
They should deff do a henshin pose with lot's of flashing lights
My thoughts EXACTLY. It feels like you’ve read my mind.
I fully agree. We can say the same about the "Transformers" movies. The changes between car and robot were detailed and complex, everything fit together and made sense in the process, great to see. Today it's an instantaneous and "magical" transformation, very boring.
Totally agree. Ant-man specializes in size altering tech, I feel like they could have come up with a more interesting quick change suit then just nano tech. Like a suit stored in a small capsule that is programed to grow larger than normal that Scott can step into then shrinks to fit him. Kind of like spiderman's suit in Homecoming.
There are materials with "memory." Imagine 6 connected squares that with the push of a botton fold in and create a cube. Take that idea and make a suit that grows, gets stepped on, then wraps itself around the wearer.
Marvel excells over DC in my opinion because it's heroes are more like real people who can be heroes in stead of heroes who can pass as real people. When everyone is essentially ready to be their hero persona at any moment it blurs that line. Even something as simple as Jen Walters wanting to take off her shoes befor becoming She-Hulk is a signal that these characters have real concerns in their life. Black Panther's nano tech suit used to destroy loose fitting clothing when activated and that was a nice detail. When becoming a hero comes at no cost it is not special.
That’s actually what differentiates the heroes of DC and Marvel
DC has gods trying to be humans
Marvel has humans trying to be gods
one of my favorite costume changes is thor’s during thor:ragnarok when hela first appears. its fast and flashy with the lightning.
it makes sense for more heroes to use nanotech suits as thats currently the peak of armor tech in their universe but for me nothing beats the og costumes and suits from phases 1-3, especially ironman’s
Im ok with some heroes having nanotech suits, but some not so much
I think a really good suit up is Moon Knights as it isnt one he has to change into but its also not a nanotech suit, its one that he summons around himself due to Khonshus abilities. Also I think it looks amazing when the bandages slowly wrap around him then the hood just comes up.
Raimi verse spiderman is an example why you don't need technology
Even though he didn’t make the suit himself, the suit up in the alley way in Homecoming was awesome
This is part of why I loved NWH so much. Seeing the old Raimi and Amazing suits was a breath of fresh air.
And of course, the ending was about as perfect as it could be seeing Tom's Spidey wearing the original Red and Blue suit with the giant spider on the back.
It was cool at first seeing nanotech with Tony's last suit and T'Challa's nano suit but now, it's gotten old.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it" is just not cutting it with Marvel anymore.
How is it old? 19 entries since the start of phase 4, only ones that have nano tech are NWH, BP2 which makes sense since Wakanda created the tech. And then antman. You could argue Thor:L&T was out of place, but every other entry has physical costumes or the handful of costumes that come from magic(scarlet witch, moon knight) which makes sense not being a physical costume
@@appawlicki something doesn’t literally have to be done a million times to be old. The novelty has worn off and the feature films are all trending in the same direction with the suit designs. If it was one or two heroes, maybe. Started with Tony and Endgame, then BP, then Thor, then NWH. Antman, almost every major character had a nano suit.
Thankfully, with Spider-Man's "reset" after his last outing, we will see him return to a more conventional "suit-up" - for which I am glad, unlike iron-man and ant-man, his power derives not form his suit but his actual body.
It's worse because this is a solved issue. Peter always wears his suit under his clothes, Tony invented multiple ways of keeping an Iron Man suit nearby that he could summon at a moment's notice. Cap Doesn't NEED a suit, it's just a costume. Other characters just wear their suits because it's a uniform.
The suits even used to serve as plot points and tension in earlier films. In Iron Man 2 he's running for his life from Whiplash while waiting for Pepper to get his briefcase suit. In the Sam Raimi trilogy, he'd sometimes lose or forget his suit and have to improvise.
Couldn’t agree more. During Ant-man Quantum maniac, there was a moment where i actually thought “cassie is gonna talk now so her mask is gonna off” and after beating 2 guards it went off the moment they were down. I don’t know why but it somehow became a distraction. You can tell that the actors don’t respond to it at all either. Most of the time, the actors aren’t wearing a mask anymore when they have a dialoge scene after a fight and that makes it feel so weird, i’d prefer them to take it off or something. I really miss the movies where Marvel used practical and vfx together instead of “lets just slap cgi against anything that would take the slightest bit of effort”
in the theatre i didnt realize these suits were meant to be nanotech like ironmans or black panthers. i thought they were shrinking the suit and then resizing it to fit them when they pressed their chest. could've been a cool antman way to do that instead of the by this point cliche'd nanotech.
That, and the fact that they feel the need to remove their helmet/mask every 5s like we forgot what their face looked like
Yep, plus a big part of the draw of live action adaptations is seeing these characters and their worlds and costumes in physical, tangible contexts. If the suits are going to be CGI nanotechnology anyhow, might as well do animated films where that can be done better and more interestingly anyway.
The nanotech masks opening and closing look so weird on the actors. I miss it when a superhero mask could be removed like an actual mask
The black Panther suits and the iron man suits are the only ones in the mcu which should have nanotechnology imo
@@AshMCM And Star-Lord
@@PJmachine I mean suits not helmets lol but yes
Even Ant Man 1 had a cool suit up scene in the shower that led to in my opinion one of the coolest Marvel scenes when Scott was figuring out his powers running into obstacles.
That scene in the first Avengers movie where Tony had the helmet off for a moment then places it back on was soooooo cool
It's not just Marvel. We've seen a bit of it DC too. Supergirl started using a nano suit in season 5, Flash got a cowl that started just materializing, and dematerializing in the later season, same with the DCEU Flash in his solo movie.
I 100% agree with this! The costumes now just look off and fake. Much prefer a full dealt outfit
They might be doing this to lessen the cost of production and make editing faster but you're right it does look lazier and plain compared to the old ones
This video is a rollercoaster people sometimes gotta learn to wear suit in a quicker way rather than hide them in duds
I'm glad you addressed the black panther and iron man, cause they make sense.
What should've happened after those is they should've said that Tony kept nanotech as much on lockdown as the blueprint to build the iron man suit
Cause nano tech could be as if not more dangerous, so the last remnants were the time travel suits and they were destroyed in endgame
The first iron man suit up is still one of my favorite moments in these movies and I get your point. But with constant unmasking, may I point you to the anarchist V. We never once see his face, but through choice of words, tone and body language, you're still able to see what he's feeling at any given time. It could be a good chance for actors to be differently expressive
I don't mind transformations but there is no reason for it to be 100% CG in every shot. A little practical prop goes a long way for an audience. Aside from that my only other problem is that they show a cool new suit at the end of a movie, which is maybe in a few scenes of the next movie before its again replaced almost immediately. Like Ms Marvel, she just got an awesome suit, its immediately being changed. Spider-man had like four suits in NWH. I think Captain America is getting a new NWO suit when he just got a suit at the very end of his series.
when they nanosuit up what happens to their clothes underneath? are they just wearing a three piece suit with loafers into battle with a flimsy layer of technosand slapped on top? doesn't sound very sturdy or mobile
They’re acting like they’re Power Rangers now
Arming scenes can be really important to the narrative structure of a story . This has been around since Homer's Iliad - perhaps ever earlier. (Paris in Book 3, Agamemnon in Book 11, Patroclus in Book 16, and Achilles in Book 19). It helps to foreshadow the outcome of the military conflict and gives you information on the hero. Unfortunately with Marvel, this has been diluted because there are so many characters.
Makes me worried for armour wars, your spot on with Tony’s suiting up being a event. It should be a transformation otherwise just let em wear clothes from GAP.
What if this is all setting up for a major arch where the nanotech becomes infected and becomes a supervillain?
NANO MACHINES, SON.
Hot take: I really don't mind nanotech at all. I think it's a logical tech progression in universe, and it still looks awesome and fun.
I agree. One thing I loved with the Andrew Garfield’s (vs Tom Holland) Spider-Man is that his suit folded and wrinkled like any non-metal suit would. Hell the had parts of it flapping in the wind when was swinging around in his 2nd film.
They took shuri's joke to his brother way too seriously "They are shooting at me wait let me put on my helmet"
Once the cat is out of the bag, it's hard to put it back in, but I agree with you.