Everything You Need to Start Growing Mushrooms Like Sage! Mushroom Mastery Ep. 2
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What is up everybody! Here is the long-awaited part 2 of the Mushroom Mastery series. In this instalment, we will be looking at the necessary supplies we will need to get started using my easy and effective TEK. Some topics I discuss:
- Why the instant pot for mycology? Instant Pot versus Pressure Cooker
- What coir should you buy? Types of coir? Husk vs coir
- Why Uncle Ben (UB) TEK is not the way to go
- What are "good genetics", and where can I buy them?
- How much does it cost to get started growing mushrooms?
- What are all the supplies and equipment I need to start growing mushrooms?
- Beginner friendly mushroom TEK
- Bucket TEK
- Do you need a dehydrator? Does it need a fan?
- Simplicity vs. shortcuts
- Hypochlorous acid (HOCl) vs. Alcohol
I hope you all have a great day or night!
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I completely failed to mention in the video that you can also steam sterilize brown rice, thus you technically do not even need an instant pot or pressure cooker. I just highly recommend them as they make everything so much easier, and will also allow you to get into cereal grains like oats, rye and millet as you cannot steam sterilize those, along with all the rest of the Instant Pot's benefits that I go over in the video.
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My sister essentially owns what was an orchard, mainly plums and apples but hazelsnuts, oregon grapes, pears, apricots and nectarines and other stuff in her acre of garden. With 3 kids, they can PILES of stuff using Fowlers Vacola which is like the British version of ball mason but they also have ball mason for meats. They ran the 8 tray dehydrator so hard they killed it, and now have a completely stainless steel commercial one. I stayed up there for a week or 2 and essentially the dehydrator became the space heater at night for me. I would run it nights dehydrating plums and onions and then open the windows during the day to let the moisture blow away. I personally have a big home-made glass and steel one. Like 3ft by 8ft. Damn heavy.
@Mycophia *I Know that Im going to sound soopid,,,but I have Never heard of an *Instant pot*!!
~hence my Confusion, when I asked a while back!!
I Lmao at your -iIt doesnt ryhmm, but,,, Lolol
Hopfully catch up with you very soon.
Andrea and Critters. ...XxX... ":0)X
Thank you! Will you keep us posted when you get you’re storefront up and running?
Sorry for the late reply, I am working on it, hope to get it up by tomorrow at the latest!@@BDBD20
Link to Amazon store?
One thing I like about you is you keep it simple, there are many guys who do unnecessary things and make it complicated.
Thanks for this! I broke my neck, back and shoulder 3 years ago and have been struggling with money/income every since. Disability pays just enough to pay my bills but leaves little for anything else. I of course suffer from depression and doctors give you crap meds not to mention opioids . I can't afford Ketamine treatment at 650 a pop with 4 shot/infusions for depression and up to 8 shots/infusions for pain management. So medicinal mushrooms is my only option /hope! Again thank you!
I'm definitely going to start growing here soon, thank you for making this shopping list, I had this huge that was at least 2K worth of stuff, but honestly theres no need to start at a full sprint when simple is probably just as effective
Not only is simple as effective, sometimes it’s the most effective 👍 Occam’s Razor
@@Mycophilia Occam's razor is really interesting. It always reminds me of fallout New Vegas.
Thank you for the video brother.
Cheers Tony!
I built 2 fully automated 66 quart tubs for under 200. My smart power strip was half the price. I don't use a mister. The way I run my substrate I usually don't need to spray. If I do it would be my third and final flush
I would love to see pics in the Discord.
Can you please do a video on breeding, pheno hunting and all that! Ive been dying to get into making some good genes but don’t understand how it all works
Thanks so much! I got my shopping list now and I'll slowly buy each items on the list as the videos come out.
Thrift those pressure cookers!!!! I've scored big Prestos that hold 10 Mason jars for 10 bucks
Thanks for the great starter video. Jumping in with both feet, on your Patreon now.
Thank you 😊 you’ve just began an incredible journey!
@@MycophiliaTime to go shopping!
@@HodgyE5 You won't regret it. It's a great hobby and Sage is an amazing source of information.
I needed this video so bad last year I had an instant pot and was so concerned about it every step of the way
I love your conciseness and wealth of understanding for us newcomers.
My dad gave me a old presto, I think it’s a 23 quart It holds 7 jars standing up and you can put i think three more on top of those laying down but I just do seven at a time at 15psi for 2 hours
Thank you for teaching. Your guidance on my journey into mycology is greatly appreciated.
Glad I could help! 😊
I recommend a 16 quart Presto Pressure Canner which is larger, and much cheaper, (they regularly go on sale $80 to $90 at around Christmas time, but even normally are under $110) then an Instant Pot, can also be used for pressure canning food, and are simple enough that nothing ever irreparably breaks on them. A good food dehydrator is a generally handy kitchen tool too! Get into Gardening if you can, it explains away many oddities.
PC's are fine, but I prefer the IP as they are easier, quieter, and safer to use. You will also not be able to do 12 hour pasteurization runs for manure with a PC, whereas with an IP you can, thereby future proofing yourself for exotics/nutritious substrates should you ever wish to get into them. Thank you for the comment!
@@Mycophilia :) While I can see why people like them, I still prefer the simplicity, cost, and capacity of a PC. For bulk pasteurization I am planning on building Willy's Steam pasturisaton tub (which uses a PC to produce the steam) the tub costs $12 at HD and I already own pretty much everything else I would strictly need to build one, and again has much larger capacity. Anyway, if I find an IP secondhand, I would get it for the small batch, set and forget, usefulness of it. I just think that a PC has more versatility, is more reliable, and I don't really see IP's as being easier or necessarily safer to use, *but* different people are different and have different needs, wants, and skills. Wishing you all the best!
@@MirrimBlackfox Yes I agree the main benefit of PCs is capacity. I wouldn't really include skills into your list however as it is all to do with simplicity, which is what my channel is all about. The great thing about the IP is that you can have a small kitchen appliance that can do it all with a low real-estate footprint, amongst some other benefits I listed earlier. Most people do not grow a massive/commercial amount, and would prefer to have a smaller all-in-one unit for their hobby. The models with the air fryers will also allow the IP to dehydrate your material as well, packing in a ton of versatility in a small space.
Nice to see you Sage!
Hey FeFe!
How is your IG? @@Mycophilia
Good information if a person wants to spawn a large bulk, but for first timers it's a huge learning curve. I believe all in one bags should be mentioned since it is almost fool proof and by the second flush a person could have more than enough personal product. Cost is around 65 with all in one, spore syringe, and a cheap monotub with air flow filters.
I’ve seen a lot of failures with All-In-Ones over the years, moreso than methods like bulk. It’s definitely worth a go, I definitely would have tried it when starting out, or maybe UB as I’m lazy, but it’s just so much more rewarding to do the whole thing yourself, and it’s great to have more control over how your grow goes rather than putting all your eggs in one basket. My 2c
And bulk is not difficult, I will show it in this series!
@Mycophilia I get where you're coming from. My first grow was by doing similar steps and it turned out great. But the simplicity of staying sterile and watching without contamination is a lot easier if done right in an all in one. Inoculate, let sit, break and shake, sit, fruit or transfer to tub and flush when ready. There's a lot more to deal with when it comes to pasteurization and sterilization of everything. I like the do it right mentality though man it's great to see keep up the motivational spirit brother! You're right if you follow the steps you'll be much happier doing everything like you do.
If you ever decide to update this list, you can include air fryers as dehydrators. There are also dual purpose instantpots that can also dehydrate. Two bird with one stone.
Just leaving a comment to boost your channel. Super helpful and I’ll probably start growing here in a month after some more research.
Thank you, happy to hear that 😊
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Sage
Great video! I'm waiting for a good sale an instantpot. For fun I did toss some big chunks of agar in some uncle Ben's that are almost ready to bust out. I dont intend to do it as a practice.
“Once you go grain, you never go Ben”, hilarious quote
I laughed so hard at the once you go grain you never go Ben!!! that was much funnier than if it even rhymed!!
Small question, are you going to go over which mushroom species are the easiest to tackle for a beginner? I was thinking of trying my hand at pink oysters and perhaps wine caps.
Pink Oyster is a good place to start for sure. Lion's mane are also good, along with Reishi.
0:00 Intro
5:57 Inoculant
7:05 Spawn
8:20 Fruiting + Storage
11:11 Sterilization + Sanitation
The own brand version of uncle bens is all good, i think to get an amount of initial spawn it is ideal
Great information for beginners
I got my pc for $50 and it’s an instant pot that does up to 4 of the smaller jars at once so for my needs it gets the job done
I like popcorn and wheat for some reason. Seems to pretty fast
good info as always❤
Enjoyed this, it is clear, simple and cheap sounding......
I save soo much with these;
Rye from a local farmer: 100Kg/220 pounds for 20$
coco coir, cheapest I can get,but works great
12 X 650g coir blocks: 12$
20 petri dishes for 5$ (I buy from a guy that probably steals them at his job😂IDK)
alkohol etc for free(girl brings unlimited qot. from her job)
😂😂
gotta experiment, dont think 1$ brick of coir is gonna be worse than 5$ one...
and dont think if farmer or his Rye is not "Organic certefied" ,that his rye is no good..etc,etc
Cheap coir will have higher salt content. Alcohol, plates, and rye sound good though
@@Mycophilia I thing this coir is so cheap, coz its made in house.the gardening suplly store also does garden care etc..they buy coir in bulk and press the bricks in house. So they are
"No Name bricks" that can only be bought in my city
weight is way off sometimes a brick is 500 grams and a brick next to it is 900 grams🤣 so I allways weigh my bricks and calculate how much water to add..
never had problems and I have 12 full size tubs growing at all times..
just wanted to say that people should not be afraid to experiment if they get a chance..👍
Need advice Shroomies!
The albino 🍄 Ghost doesn't like to leave a print. The syringe had a nice dark cloud of spores when I saw it.
I can swab it but how is there a cloud of it suspended in solution?
Maybe wait longer before printing?
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Your videos are dope ✌️
Great video! Thanks!
Do you not use vermiculite
Hey i am quite new and thought that the cvg and the ratio was very important. Do you have a video maybe where you talk about why its not?
Check out my second latest video, and another video called “nutritious vs non-nutritious substrates”
Always love the way you break things down with your white board 🫶🏻💙🍄💙🫶🏻
Thanks BB!
thank you for the videos please do one on monotubs vs all in one bag vs both start in all in one bag and end in monotube to fruit please and thank you they help my alcoholism and ptsd and depression. been having a hard time with the all in one bag but that might be the humidity in my area is normally around 18-24%
If you use cooked food, how do you practice temperature control while growing mushrooms? Pathogens grow best at 75 degree F, but so do mushrooms.
Do you think the Hypochlorous Acid (HOCl) could be used to sanitize used plastic petri dishes for re-use?
About as much as you can use alcohol for that, which isn’t good enough chances to be worth it imo.
Hmm that HOCL machine is tempting. I wonder how F10SC would work for sterilization. My vet uses it and I started using it for all of my reptile enclosures, their water and food dishes and even the cage furniture/decorations. 1:500 kills mold and bacteria.
I don’t see why it wouldn’t work!
Do you have any info on different species? Or someone point me in the direction of an informative video? Thanks!
I have tons, I show lots of different species especially on Patreon. Any specific species in mind?
do i let light hit the colonization prosses or leave in the dark. p.s she is still in bag
she doesn't care :)
When are we getting part 3!!!??? Cant wait
Why arent agar plates includet?
I thought its an essencial step you can miss Out. Or can you replace it with LC If you got a sterile siringe from the lab
It’s an important step, but not necessary if all you want to do is get mushrooms. Agar is coming later on in this series.
@@Mycophilia so If i want to try this "Hobby" only once i can skip agar. By going straight to innoculation with a LC syringe
@@spicypunch6029 yes
Hey. My dehydrator goes down to 100f What temp do you recommend
Check out my video “Proper Dehydration and Storage”
@@Mycophilia man. I seen a few videos I need to watch on your channel. Oh and that’s the exact same dehydrator I got
It doesn’t rhyme but it’s simply the truth 😂😂 my humour broken that shit funny asf
🤣 I’m glad someone appreciates it, as that was my intention!
I can use a pressure canner ?
What do you think about freeze drying? Would it allow for better cleaner storage? I dont have one but would to hear about it if someone else has tried it
Sage, i have a question on my recent attempt at using Millett. Ive successfully used uncle bens, ive done several grows with popcorn. I recently attempted to do some Millett jars. I soaked and simmered my grains until i felt like they were properly hydrated. I moved the grains into my jars and pressure cooked them at 15 psi for 1hour. I inoculated my jars and waited. They started colonizing and after about half way through they turned green. When i opened the jars to throw it away all the jars smelled strongly of alcohol. Almost like sour mash for making moonshine. Do you have any idea where i may have went wrong? I know my LC is clean because ive used it before and after on other types of grain with no issues.
Yes, 1 hour is far too short of a sterilization time for a cereal grain like millet. People say 1.5 hours minimum, I would go 2.5 to 3 hours.
@Mycophilia thank you sage. Im going to do 12 more jars Monday. I will do 3 hours
How about this one:
"Once you go grain, you'll never abstain" 😅🤣
I know I'm late to the party but I just wanted to poke my head in and tell you how much I really enjoy watching your videos!
They've been super informative and extremely helpful with getting my techniques to be more consistent.
Thank you ☝🏽
Is coco peat the same as coco coir?
Yeah a normal Bic lighter works. But try operating it with gloves on 😂
Remove the safety on it will make ya life mad easier
i have been growing coir lovers for a while and i wanna start growing zaps ? what must i do diffrently?
What is your opinion or experience on using a 10 qt instant oven verses an 8 qt instant pot?
Instant oven will not work at all for sterilizing as it is not a pressure cooker like an instant pot.
You didn't included agar into you list.
I guess it only works without If you buy an already sterile syringe from the market
Yes, because it is not necessary if you just want to grow mushrooms. That is for a future episode. Despite that, the agar materials are on my supplies list.
@@Mycophilia I also followed your advices. In April i Always order one or two LC syringes. I try to grow mushroom in Summer bc the room temperatur are Always Higher from Mai - August. After Summer My room temperatur drops below 68°F:'(.
But it really works, i have enough all year around
Do you know anythig about the Force of Nature HOCL generator? It looks like a good mid range option at 70 bucks
So I took a look at their products and they seem to be legit and effective. The only issue I see however is that you have to buy their capsule refills, ($60 for 50), whereas with the ecolox you only need to add in any old non-iodized salt from the supermarket. However, I do not know if the capsules are necessary, and if you could just add your own salt in there, then it would totally be worth it.
How can I reach out personally to you?
My air fryer has a dehydrator setting is that fine it’s a pretty expensive one ?
Yea it’s fine
where is ur shopping list
Hey! I finally put it together, hope I'm not too late!
tinyurl.com/SagesShoppingList
Do you like using the pre sterile grain bags ?
No
Any specific reason why 12qt containers won’t work? You mention specifically 6qts, but I have a 4 pack of 12qts already on hand…
They work, you’ll just have to double the amount of spawn/sub as a regular shoebox.
@@Mycophilia awesome. I’ve got my first four quart jars of brown rice ready to inoculate. Will use two jars for each 12qt tub!
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I didnt see vermiculite on your list? What kind do you use?
Only coir :)
@Mycophilia Yeah sorry I posted the question before finishing the video. Thank you for the reply and I love your videos! Just a heads up your amazon link for a SAB is not available right now, do you have any other that you recommend?
Can i use a air fryer?
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How do I find your Amazon storefront?
Hey BDB, unfortunately I had to take it down due to various reasons, but I have just compiled all of the items I discuss in this video here! Hope I'm not too late:
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$150 for a machine to make HOCL? I don't think I'll use $150 worth of alcohol in my entire lifetime, and I use it every day.
Once you go grain you will remain
What?
Yes!
It is messed up that having a Surgical mask is a normal thing around the house.😷
box of scalpel blades lol
I've always had masks around, decades before the pandemic. I used them when using bleach around the house. Although I don't really use bleach much anymore I still use masks for occasional litter box cleaning or a full bathroom scrubbing.
I also just realized this year how effective they are for replacing a scarf when it's 5°-20°F. I know it sounds weird but it keeps my nose and face so warm. I sweat easily so having my neck able to vent heat while my face stays warm has been a game changer.
Not for any that does any kind of projects at home. painting & sanding, I even use one when I'm using a nail grinder on my dog. My girl uses one when cleaning and dusting. If you have them around you will use them more than you think.
in reality you can spend 70 bucks and grow 50-100g of mushrooms
You can do it for free like nature 🙃
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Thank you 😊