I’d watch the first season again man, the fact that Travis is Rusts father makes all the sense in the world. This is basically a follow up to the spiral/yellow king mystery. They take it a step further and let you know that the world is getting old and that symbol is older than the ice. This is leaning into the supernatural side of season 1 that was just a light undercurrent running throughout. If the writing is good then all of this will make sense. Edit: I love your videos and I’m so happy you’re covering this season!! Thank you for all the years of amazing videos!
The first question of all inquiry needs to be « Cui Bono ? » To whom is the greatest benefit? The murderer(s)? The town of Ennis? The First People? The Earth? Or, something eldrich & ineffable? I am SO enjoying season 4, so far!
@@PetePeppers1 The clue is in the amount of light in a room. The police station is bright af during work hours.. but when people go home and it's 7-8 in the afternoon the lights are dim.
I like the town! It’s kinda cozy and charming considering the remote location and harsh climate. The big picture window at Rose’s house has a beautiful view and her place feels so warm and inviting.
Yes! Lots of SotL vibes from this episode. The opening camera flash sound; the corpsicle isolated out on the ice like Hannibal's portable jail cell in the middle of the empty room; going into the trailer reminded me of Clarice investigating the creepy storage unit. We're really enjoying this season here.
Check out Motor City nerds review. She's a small channel but I think she's got everything right and she's called the entire season out and I think she's completely correct
Pete you're really the best. The thoughtfulness you put into each review, the detail, and the tone (in the writing) in which you deliver them is extraordinary. Great job!
Man S1 of True Detective is like the only murder mystery that I hardly cared at all about the actual mystery. I was hanging on every word of the two lead characters, and I was so invested in seeing what happened to them. That’s honestly how I remember all my friends feeling too.
When it comes to Danvers and her insistence that her deputies/detectives ask the right questions, remember the final line of season 1, episode 1: Rust Cohle says “then start asking the right f*cking questions,” and roll credits.
@@anon6952On the fence about having that opinion. I like the show so far but I do not want Travis to return. 1. Because I don't full trust these writers to not ruin his character. The shows been good so far, with the exception of it's portrayal of older men. And 2. Because the show should stand on it's own two feet. References and tie ins to the first season are fine. But leave the characters alone.
@@plectrumura there were three (3) “subtle” references to season one in this single episode. They aren’t so subtle when it’s multiple times in an hour.
@@fearlessfailure2848 I agree with this. Picture of a lone star beer bottle? Fine. It’s a bit fan service-y but I don’t object too strenuously. Same for Cohl’s dad being a ghost. It’s just a tie-in, but it doesn’t make this season better or worse (IMHO). I don’t want character returns though. That’s taking it a bit too far. This was always supposed to be an anthology series.
Haven’t been on the Pepper train since Better Call Saul’s final season, but I’m super excited you’re breaking down this show. Your take on The Expanse is still the best on the tubes!
Just finished watching this episode with my daughter and her hubbie, she said "Go watch Pete Peppers and tell us what we just saw!" Brilliant breakdown as usual.
Tsalal is an ancient Hebrew word that appears in the Old Testament. It has multiple meanings, including: "To be or become growing dark" "To sink, be submerged" "Shade"
Fantastic review. Minor comment, the researcher speaking in Spanish is from Argentina. You can pick that up with his pronunciation of "mayonnaise" and his name was Facundo.
I just rewatched it but didn't even think of making a video. Figured there would be a bunch already out there. Maybe for when the next season comes out.
1. The caribou suicide is a metaphor: They would rather die in the last light than stay in the dark. 2. 24:52 is that Paul Braunstein who played Griggs in The Thing (2011)? 3. The Tsalal logo looks like 6 people. 3 alive and 3 dead. Like a Yin and Yang symbol. 4. S1E4 "Who Goes There" is the 1938 book that formed the basis of John Carpenter's film The Thing.
Anyone else get Frederica Bimmel autopsy chills when hearing those camera flashes to open the episode at the crime scene on the ice? Don’t know about you, but I was looking for the Vick’s Vapo Rub under Starling’s nose…
If you have ever been approached by an online romantic financial scammer, which happens constantly, you would realize what a “tell” that that text with the request of money for a sick mother is all about. It had all the earmarks of such a call, and Hank who is as naïve and gullible, as you would expect.
@PetePeppers I really appreciate your outlook of not looking to much into symbols and resisting the bulk of reviews that want to tie this story as continuation of season 1. For Pete Pepper fans; If you listen to the accompanying podcast from MAX for each episode. It’s clear that this season of True Detective is not a sequel to the first season. Issa Lopez describes the meaning of the spiral and it has no resemblance to what it meant for the first season. No Yellow King. And no child, sex rings. She mentions several times that this is a story lead from a woman’s point of view, so sorry Rust isn’t going to show to show up and help solve the case. Honestly I don’t know why she used the Tuttle name as the financial backers. Other than to signal to the audience that Tsal science station has some sinister dark motives for what they want to find in that ice that the scientists themselves may or may not even be aware of. One thing which makes me worry is Lopez loves the not knowing what happened in true crime dramas. That true crime keep the audience enthralled in finding answers but always the mystery remains and the audience is left without all the answers . So It’s very likely nothing comes from Tuttle United. Rust father being the show won’t be answered. After all that’s Ennis right? Sometimes there is no answer. So maybe just sit back and watch the show as it’s own story without trying to solve things, find answers, impossible in a murder mystery I know, and live with the suspense.
I took the contrasting sex scenes to be that the way these two characters have sex is reflective of the way they operate in their personal and professional lives: Evangeline is clearly in control, she takes control almost by force and is focused on getting what she wants, reflecting her obsession with Annie's case and how she bullies that cold case to the surface and makes the town continue to confront it. Danvers likes to think she's in control, but doesn't really have a grasp on it. She can manipulate and yell enough to get things to kind of line up her way, but ultimately, she's not in control of her life, her department, or her coupling with the 9th Doctor Who as she thinks she should be.
Wow you made that awkward sex scene make sense haha congrats! Most uncomfortable thing to watch in the season so far, I’d rather go and stare at the corpsicle.
@@FlymanMS lol, uncomfortable for sure, so I was happy to find a reason these scenes were in there instead of just the HBO standard of putting softcore porn into all of their shows
Great review! Great suggestion: can’t hold onto the deep love & appreciation of the first season against this season. Give it a chance! I like it, it has a lot to cover in the remaining four episodes. And like so many shows, it’s the ending that sticks with us.
agreed, I'm really trying to hold out but I'm not happy with the characters at all. I've zero issues with them, I just don't like them. Jodie is unlikable and pretty much a homewrecker fuck boi, Kali is pretty apathetic to her "boy toy," and I'm all for women being cast, but what kinda women are these? I'm holding out but I'm not buying Jodie or her acting. She's either going to show some real grit soon or her actual acting and attempt at being a callus tough women is horrid. Either way, can't really name a single other character that I actually like. THATS unique af to any season of true detective.
There's more spirals where Qavvik lives on his pillowcase & in a pattern of stickers on his door with a yellow K in the center. With these teasers, the smiley face Yelllow King on the geology teacher's whiteboard, & the Tuttle United & Travis Cohle drops, it looks like leaning hard to an interconnectivity with S1 is here to stay. Hope they follow through with this in some meaningful ways over the next 4 weeks, along with the Blue King refs, Inuit mythology, an array of parallels with The Thing, & the shades of Louisiana cop cover-ups going on strong with Hank, & not leave a trail of bread crumbs dangling all over this mini series of a season.
I agree about your memory about season 1. I’m shocked to hear so many people gushing about it now when at the time, not a whole lot of people came away with it feeling totally satisfied. In fact, I’d argue that season 3 was the more satisfying season up to this point.
Pete, thanks for the analysis, probably the most rational and well balanced one I've seen on the show. Fully agree with your Lost comments and was thinking about those issues even from E1. I think no matter the end quality of the show, certain people are going to be upset that they either didn't get answers to certain things, or that their pet theories were wrong, just like Lost.
Lost deserves the criticism. The original screenplay was only 11 episodes but they were astounded at the success and began painting themselves into a corner with all their “clues” only to end it mercifully with a ridiculous ending.
I definitely agree about the season 1 stuff. Please do not try and force some more tie ins and connections lol just let this be this and let that be that!
After viewing the spiral and walking away, the second cleaning woman had an odd expression on her face. It was barely noticeable but leads me to think she knows more than what she's saying.
I really think people should check out Motor City nerds review because I really think she does nail it on exactly what's happening and what's going to happen... It's kind of crazy how accurate I think she is
Ah I was so looking forward to your video after watching the episode and you didn’t disappoint as always. So glad you’re covering this, never heard of the Dyatlov pass incident, that’s really interesting and so linked to this. You’d kind of presume Clark isn’t the killer purely because he became the main suspect in episode two… I’m finding this season really interesting, love the setting and the cast, Fiona Shaw is just wonderful, it’s interesting that there are several Irish actors (and one character) in this season given the location. Can’t wait for the next episode and your breakdown!
I haven’t read comments, but anyone notice it’s an exact excerpt from The Dark Tower? “The fabric of things is thin and the world is old” is almost word for word. They called spots like that a Thinny. And guess who was The Man in Black, aka Red King? Matthew M. And they also had similar facilities at the Beam stations in Dark Tower. Then there’s “The gunslinger fled across the desert, and the man in black followed.” It’s literally called The Wasteland. If that’s not an Ennis type place, nothing is. In season 1, the Iron Crusader dude literally said “I need a gunslinger.” Again, Roland was literally the last Gunslinger. Lot of coincidences.
With what Rose says, i wonder if the spiral refers to the black hole in our universe that Rust also sees in season 1. The Earth is spiraling towards the center. When they say/hear "She's awake" I wonder if its referring to the Earth. Maybe the Earth is waking up from its dream. Maybe we are coming close to the center of the black hole. Idk this season has some very out there stuff so im speculating but im here for it.
Think Dyatlov Pass incident + the Mary Celeste. I believe the writer, Issa Lopez has done her homework, at least for some of the inspiration for this series! ❤
This makes me think of what's described in At the Mountains of Madness when the main expedition loses contact with Lake's party, Dyer and a graduate student named Danforth investigate. Lake's camp is devastated, with the majority of men and dogs slaughtered, while a man named Gedney and one of the dogs are absent. Near the expedition's campsite, they find six star-shaped snow mounds with one specimen under each. They also discover that the better preserved life-forms thay were studying have vanished, and that some form of dissection experiment has been done on both an unnamed man and a dog. The missing man, Gedney, is suspected of having gone utterly insane and having killed and mutilated all the others.
When I rewatched the finale of season 1, it looked like Cole had the spiral tattoo on his chest as well. It's not clear, but you can see a tattoo on his chest that you can see partially. I wonder if it's just a coincidence.
Ty dude... lotta insight man... i mean it's a f'ing show it is supposed to entertain and not spoon-feed, but yes, glad it paid off a couple things (twist and shout)!
1. surviving in ice is a real thing.. 2. rust probably showed anglie that spiral she is his step-mother? or mother. 3. 5 heads 9 feet is a refence to a movie... 4, clark is rust's cousin... 5. pete and his dad are part of the cult/family from s1 5.5 petes dad was painting in ep1 like the painter killer in s1. 5.75 also his dad taking the files because of floodings is like s1 where flooding destroyed birth files of people in s1... 6. the russia bride/lady is a scammer... 7. the boat in s1? i cant remember its name it might have the same name as the trailor? 8. the teddy bear might represent her being a midwife 9. the pictures might be other female victims 10. RUSTS Cousin mentions he died from bone cancer 7 years ago,, like how rust mentions his dad died to it 30 years ago. 10.5 even tho it looks like travis was alive pretty recently 11 -Navarro seemed to have run over bloody snow (prior to hitting oncoming truck/throwing out necklace). 12. Blair is missimg fingers like the handprints on the clothes of the scientist. 10??. but if travis still was alive recently? theres confusion over the weird time confusion
@@FlymanMS my cousinn sold his trailer to that scientist, travis is travis cohcle----- rusts dad,,,,,, and he says he moved to louisan anddied of bone cancer. just like rusts said his dad died of 30 years ago,,,,,,,,,, unless clark is refereeeibg to travis and moving to meanung died?
Since Rose is the first one to actually acknowledge the spiral sign And Rose knew where the bodies were And Rose knew Travis Cohle And Rose looks alot like Rust And Rose is up there alone gutting wolves and smoking big joints. Maybe all true detectives seasons just take place in her mind.
6 armed men cut the power to the facility, entered the facility and tossed in a few flash bangs causing ruptured eardrums and burned corneas. They are then taken out, forced to strip and tossed into a hole where they froze to death. No reanimated Annie. No monsters, no ghosts, no polar bears
This is going to be a little out there, Mr. Peppers, but give it a thought. Firstly, spirals are often symbols indicating portals I many stories, especially fantasy/speculative fiction. Im a bit struck by a similarity to the dwarf mine symbols (especially the « following dark ») in Terry Pratchett’s classic « Thud ». Even if I’m wrong, it isn’t a waste of anyone’s time to read. GNU Sir Terry ❤
I’ll be honest… The only reason I even tuned in was because Jodie Foster signed on. There aren’t many good roles available to women of a certain age even to time academy award winning power houses like Ms. Foster. and she’s usually very selective about the rules that she takes, which is why she is turned down so much 💩in the past. She’s intelligent and she has a good eye. There are some decent actresses out there today, but none of them have the caliber of Jodie, Helen Mirren, Kate Winslet, Ellen Burstyn, or Gena Rowlands, two of my personal favorites, etc. so let’s just say I came for Jodie foster and i’m staying in hopes a certain Mr. “Alright alright alright” makes a return. not just a two second cameo actual return … Remember, Jody and Matthew starred alongside each other in the movie “Contact”…. Back in the day So you never know… A girl can dream.
As someone who just watched true detective season 1 for the first time and season 3, I would say that they do currently feel like cheap call-backs and there better be more pay off at the end than there was with 3. Don’t want little easter eggs just for the sake of having them. Personal opinion of course’
Maybe Annie's wounds are actually STARFISH shaped because she was stabbed by a sharpened Patrick Star toothbrush. Which was replaced by a Sponge Bob toothbrush.
Okay, I hadn't noticed the "baby" figure in the trailer. - When I first saw the stab wounds on Annie K. and Navarro said that thing about hate (the killer(s) hated Annie), I thought the stab wounds looked like trying to kill a fetus/baby in a pregnant woman. I think I probably saw the same stab wounds on another woman in another crime show like CSI or maybe Bones where that was the case. So Annie K. must have been pregnant and her killer(s) (who I very much doubt was Clark who was likely the loving father) wanted to kill a pregnant Native woman or what the baby represented. Hate, Navarro says. - But why wouldn't Navarro or anyone know she was pregnant? Police corruption, not exactly unprecedented in True Detective history.
The opening scene In Season 2 ep 3 when Ray is sitting in the bar with his father. There is an Elvis ( The King) impersonator and he is lip syncing to Conway Twitty's Cover, of Bette Midler's song "The Rose"
Just watched Ep2(Season4). I think the direction and placement of the spiral have different meanings; up and down, clockwise vs counter clockwise, where it opens and the direction of the spiral. For it to be so random in a show that has nothing random seems like a clue. andrew.. carolyn's son.
I love your breakdowns but I'm unfortunately not coming back for this show. I'm also canceling my hbo because none of their content is really that good to me anymore.
liz going ham on the grandma was really difficult to watch... i'm almost amazed pete's wife merely tells her she needs to leave. super uncomfortable, it really felt like some karen-tier bigotry; but it's liz who doesn't seem to be such a person, and would definitely not come out and say it like that. liz definitely has some serious trauma, but that doesn't excuse her reaction at all. leah and pete's scene was really fun tho.
Abnormal DNA findings was hand written above a picture which shows what the abnormal dna looked like. It was easy to not see because Clark had written all over it, with the I feel her calling, dark eyes etc. So looks like they found something took a sample and found abnormal DNA. That seems like a can of worms that could indicate a bunch of different things. Was it a microorganism they we’re looking for? If not what was it? Could in the process of testing it Clark got infected and that is the cause of his crazy. Or he discovered more about it and in maybe dealing with the other scientists and the funding people they responded in a way that indicated there was something shady going on. Or it could be 14:25 nothing. But I like how science, that often really disproves myths or old beliefs, with seemingly mysterious beliefs based on perhaps cultural folklore. Their are answers with each individually but maybe combining those two perspectives you find a new answer that could be the answer. Much like Danvers and Navarro, two very different people but put them together the work they do is much stronger than working separately.
What's funny is that right around the same day that scene with his "bride" to be, I matched with a woman on Tinder who told me she was looking for a "serious relationship and financial support" jj So I had to find out and for sure upon initiating a chat she told me that she is taking care of her mom and would have to "pay someone to watch her" if I wanted her to come visit me jjjj I told her the check was in the mail and went back to RUclips. Lesson learned= The right question is what will the most likely 3 part twist be - there is the woman at the crab processing factory with missing fingers that could very easily correspond with the fingerprint lifted from the boot, as well as the drawings in the trailer of a crab and a deformed hand. That is all over RUclips currently but my take is that it will be like the movie "The Thing". One of the main characters will get taken over by whatever frequency takes control of sentient beings and will have to be put down. That scene with Navarro, the bartender and the Husky where she says something to the effect of that the dog might eat him someday also fits that idea of possession. Which scientists were being blackmailed as part of the Yellow King cult and what level of government aids the quest of the Tuttles to facilitate the research which probably is known to the higher ups at management at the mine.
watch russian mini series - dyatlov pass, from 2020, they did it simply impeccable, all possible theories touched even supernatural one, great cast, especially for dyatlov's group flashbacks
We don’t know how long the scientists were out there in the ice. We just know that they were missing for about four days so that man being alive could be possible.
All the scientists died chasing Clark who was acting crazy and bolted out the door. They weren't dressed right and succumbed to hypothermia just like Dyatlov. The spiral could be the Golden Ratio indicating a universal truth.
Was the scene from Ferris Beuller chosen because of the line "twist and shout" when clearly the researchers died twisting and shouting? Was that the point of the movie getting stuck there?
Does anyone remember Fortitude? This seems like there are lots of similarities. Set in an arctic cold place, looking at something "that is probably older than the ice"...??
15:40 the "other woman" is Blair, and Blair is missing fingers on her right hand, did she bite them off in a hypodermic delirium? and the hand print on the clothes is missing digits.
Hank is a total cartoon of donald trump. The first time I saw him, I said "what is with the Lyle Lovett haircut?" (Nothing bad, I really like Lyle's music) next thing Hank is more interested in texting/tweeting than actual police work.
I am deeply disappointed that the writers cannot be creative enough to develop and independent arc. S1 was awesome, S3 was great. Give us a S4 with a whole new story, not some derivative claptrap.
‘Appetite’ vs ‘needs’. I think appetite has a negative element to it while having needs does not. I don’t condone having sex w/married people but having sex is a need unless it crosses into something that is really bad behavior (incessant sex, sex w/minors, rough sex, etc). I think it is good to see that women, of all ages, having sex more on their terms. Btw, being an asshole is not gender specific, imo.
Big bear and Little bear...Ursa Major and Ursa Minor. Ursa Major and Polaris are on the State flag of Alaska and Polaris, the North Star, is part of Ursa Minor...Little Bear and big bear missing eyes and have star shaped wound
Well In my opinion it is all about the mines and the entity that was trapped there millions of years ago. The tuttles found out about it and funded the operation to uncover it. The water turning to shit and All this mysteries revolves around the entity driving people mad and bend them to it's will.
season 3 refs crocked spiral link to what happened to missing kids(why blade getting interveiwed by webcam girl),season1 ends in 2012 so no real twitter mindset exists(why camgirl picked up old-discreditted,for the time-story: real"truther"energy),and season 2 setup storyline for how this one goes(2 took place in horror at red hook-house of leng-and 4 happens in mtns.of madness-tik a lee lee)...
What are the right questions to be asking here? This episode was packed from top to bottom. Let me know what you think.
I’d watch the first season again man, the fact that Travis is Rusts father makes all the sense in the world. This is basically a follow up to the spiral/yellow king mystery. They take it a step further and let you know that the world is getting old and that symbol is older than the ice. This is leaning into the supernatural side of season 1 that was just a light undercurrent running throughout. If the writing is good then all of this will make sense.
Edit: I love your videos and I’m so happy you’re covering this season!! Thank you for all the years of amazing videos!
The spiral!!!! It means “Time is a flat circle”!!!! Oh shiiittt!
How are they gonna follow through on all the hints and breadcrumbs they keep dropping?
@@oldatarigamer Exactly. The way that they followed through with the tongue match, a big meh.
The first question of all inquiry needs to be « Cui Bono ? »
To whom is the greatest benefit?
The murderer(s)?
The town of Ennis?
The First People?
The Earth?
Or, something eldrich & ineffable?
I am SO enjoying season 4, so far!
When Rose said: "One last gift from Travis Cohle" we were all that meme of Leo Dicaprio pointing at the screen.
Hahaha yes!
Facts lol
lol I had no idea what they were talking about. I didn't remember their names from season 1.
haha
Yes this exactly!!!😂😂😂😂
Thank you Pete. You have the best breakdowns, I look forward to them every week.
Every scene feels lived in. I love the set design and the blueness, and the weird gadgets on the walls.
it's fun never knowing what time a day it is
@@PetePeppers1 The clue is in the amount of light in a room. The police station is bright af during work hours.. but when people go home and it's 7-8 in the afternoon the lights are dim.
I like the town! It’s kinda cozy and charming considering the remote location and harsh climate. The big picture window at Rose’s house has a beautiful view and her place feels so warm and inviting.
Liz asking Pete questions at the ice rink made me think of Hannibal and Clarice. Love this season so much so far 👍
I have a feeling Pete is a serial killer or something equally dark. Just a suspicion.
Yes! Lots of SotL vibes from this episode. The opening camera flash sound; the corpsicle isolated out on the ice like Hannibal's portable jail cell in the middle of the empty room; going into the trailer reminded me of Clarice investigating the creepy storage unit. We're really enjoying this season here.
Check out Motor City nerds review. She's a small channel but I think she's got everything right and she's called the entire season out and I think she's completely correct
Pete you're really the best. The thoughtfulness you put into each review, the detail, and the tone (in the writing) in which you deliver them is extraordinary. Great job!
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Watched a few breakdowns and wasn't eager to follow any channels until i found this one 👍🏻
Man S1 of True Detective is like the only murder mystery that I hardly cared at all about the actual mystery. I was hanging on every word of the two lead characters, and I was so invested in seeing what happened to them. That’s honestly how I remember all my friends feeling too.
When it comes to Danvers and her insistence that her deputies/detectives ask the right questions, remember the final line of season 1, episode 1: Rust Cohle says “then start asking the right f*cking questions,” and roll credits.
Yes we get it, Issa Lopez is creatively bankrupt and is already leaning on callbacks to when the show was good
@@anon6952 Or it’s just a subtle reference that I liked, and it draws a parallel between their approaches to police work. Definitely one of the two.
@@anon6952On the fence about having that opinion. I like the show so far but I do not want Travis to return. 1. Because I don't full trust these writers to not ruin his character. The shows been good so far, with the exception of it's portrayal of older men. And 2. Because the show should stand on it's own two feet. References and tie ins to the first season are fine. But leave the characters alone.
@@plectrumura there were three (3) “subtle” references to season one in this single episode. They aren’t so subtle when it’s multiple times in an hour.
@@fearlessfailure2848 I agree with this. Picture of a lone star beer bottle? Fine. It’s a bit fan service-y but I don’t object too strenuously. Same for Cohl’s dad being a ghost. It’s just a tie-in, but it doesn’t make this season better or worse (IMHO). I don’t want character returns though. That’s taking it a bit too far. This was always supposed to be an anthology series.
Haven’t been on the Pepper train since Better Call Saul’s final season, but I’m super excited you’re breaking down this show. Your take on The Expanse is still the best on the tubes!
I figure the Dylatov Incident would somehow be mentioned during this series. I really like how this series is starting off. Great setting.
Just finished watching this episode with my daughter and her hubbie, she said "Go watch Pete Peppers and tell us what we just saw!" Brilliant breakdown as usual.
I wish there was more than 6 episodes but I’m digging this season so far , the setting is fantastic
It is a short run. Hope it turns out to be the right amount of episodes.
Tsalal is an ancient Hebrew word that appears in the Old Testament. It has multiple meanings, including:
"To be or become growing dark"
"To sink, be submerged"
"Shade"
My good friend Pete! So glad you are making vids on this series!
Fantastic review. Minor comment, the researcher speaking in Spanish is from Argentina. You can pick that up with his pronunciation of "mayonnaise" and his name was Facundo.
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Pete we need a season 1 recap video PLEASE!
I just rewatched it but didn't even think of making a video. Figured there would be a bunch already out there. Maybe for when the next season comes out.
Pete!!! I spit out my drink with the “tables and hotel room” comment 😂😂
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1. The caribou suicide is a metaphor: They would rather die in the last light than stay in the dark.
2. 24:52 is that Paul Braunstein who played Griggs in The Thing (2011)?
3. The Tsalal logo looks like 6 people. 3 alive and 3 dead. Like a Yin and Yang symbol.
4. S1E4 "Who Goes There" is the 1938 book that formed the basis of John Carpenter's film The Thing.
If you look at the original trailer. The "ghost" the delivery man sees is definitely Annie K. She's holding her hand to her mouth (for a good reason).
Really appreciate your reviews
Pete Peppers Thank you for posting.
Anyone else get Frederica Bimmel autopsy chills when hearing those camera flashes to open the episode at the crime scene on the ice? Don’t know about you, but I was looking for the Vick’s Vapo Rub under Starling’s nose…
Good catch, and the way she’s questioning the young cop it reminds me of Lecter asking Clarice why Buffalo Bill killed
If you have ever been approached by an online romantic financial scammer, which happens constantly, you would realize what a “tell” that that text with the request of money for a sick mother is all about. It had all the earmarks of such a call, and Hank who is as naïve and gullible, as you would expect.
Given his abusive behavior I assume he'll go nuclear on someone once he realises Russian bride is a scammer 😢
Yes, I immediately registered it as a possible scam -it had all the signs…
Episode four proved it, he isn't much of a cop and even less of a person. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. @@muller3641
@PetePeppers I really appreciate your outlook of not looking to much into symbols and resisting the bulk of reviews that want to tie this story as continuation of season 1. For Pete Pepper fans; If you listen to the accompanying podcast from MAX for each episode. It’s clear that this season of True Detective is not a sequel to the first season. Issa Lopez describes the meaning of the spiral and it has no resemblance to what it meant for the first season. No Yellow King. And no child, sex rings. She mentions several times that this is a story lead from a woman’s point of view, so sorry Rust isn’t going to show to show up and help solve the case. Honestly I don’t know why she used the Tuttle name as the financial backers. Other than to signal to the audience that Tsal science station has some sinister dark motives for what they want to find in that ice that the scientists themselves may or may not even be aware of. One thing which makes me worry is Lopez loves the not knowing what happened in true crime dramas. That true crime keep the audience enthralled in finding answers but always the
mystery remains and the audience is left without all the answers . So It’s very likely nothing comes from Tuttle United. Rust father being the show won’t be answered. After all that’s Ennis right? Sometimes there is no answer. So maybe just sit back and watch the show as it’s own story without trying to solve things, find answers, impossible in a murder mystery I know, and live with the suspense.
I took the contrasting sex scenes to be that the way these two characters have sex is reflective of the way they operate in their personal and professional lives:
Evangeline is clearly in control, she takes control almost by force and is focused on getting what she wants, reflecting her obsession with Annie's case and how she bullies that cold case to the surface and makes the town continue to confront it.
Danvers likes to think she's in control, but doesn't really have a grasp on it. She can manipulate and yell enough to get things to kind of line up her way, but ultimately, she's not in control of her life, her department, or her coupling with the 9th Doctor Who as she thinks she should be.
Wow you made that awkward sex scene make sense haha congrats! Most uncomfortable thing to watch in the season so far, I’d rather go and stare at the corpsicle.
@@FlymanMS lol, uncomfortable for sure, so I was happy to find a reason these scenes were in there instead of just the HBO standard of putting softcore porn into all of their shows
Great review! Great suggestion: can’t hold onto the deep love & appreciation of the first season against this season. Give it a chance! I like it, it has a lot to cover in the remaining four episodes. And like so many shows, it’s the ending that sticks with us.
agreed, I'm really trying to hold out but I'm not happy with the characters at all. I've zero issues with them, I just don't like them. Jodie is unlikable and pretty much a homewrecker fuck boi, Kali is pretty apathetic to her "boy toy," and I'm all for women being cast, but what kinda women are these? I'm holding out but I'm not buying Jodie or her acting. She's either going to show some real grit soon or her actual acting and attempt at being a callus tough women is horrid. Either way, can't really name a single other character that I actually like. THATS unique af to any season of true detective.
"Very season oney..." made me chuckle.
Really great breakdown. I listen to quite a few and I think yours are the best!!!
There's more spirals where Qavvik lives on his pillowcase & in a pattern of stickers on his door with a yellow K in the center. With these teasers, the smiley face Yelllow King on the geology teacher's whiteboard, & the Tuttle United & Travis Cohle drops, it looks like leaning hard to an interconnectivity with S1 is here to stay. Hope they follow through with this in some meaningful ways over the next 4 weeks, along with the Blue King refs, Inuit mythology, an array of parallels with The Thing, & the shades of Louisiana cop cover-ups going on strong with Hank, & not leave a trail of bread crumbs dangling all over this mini series of a season.
I agree about your memory about season 1. I’m shocked to hear so many people gushing about it now when at the time, not a whole lot of people came away with it feeling totally satisfied. In fact, I’d argue that season 3 was the more satisfying season up to this point.
Pete, thanks for the analysis, probably the most rational and well balanced one I've seen on the show. Fully agree with your Lost comments and was thinking about those issues even from E1. I think no matter the end quality of the show, certain people are going to be upset that they either didn't get answers to certain things, or that their pet theories were wrong, just like Lost.
Lost deserves the criticism. The original screenplay was only 11 episodes but they were astounded at the success and began painting themselves into a corner with all their “clues” only to end it mercifully with a ridiculous ending.
"Season-oney" is such a good descriptor.
I definitely agree about the season 1 stuff. Please do not try and force some more tie ins and connections lol just let this be this and let that be that!
Somebody get me a doctor cause I've got a case of Carcosa Night Fever! 🎸
thanks for the video. good stuff as always
Best one yet. Thank you. Do you think croissants are related to that spiral....or just of many a red herring?
Excellent as usual!
After viewing the spiral and walking away, the second cleaning woman had an odd expression on her face. It was barely noticeable but leads me to think she knows more than what she's saying.
7:25 - there’s an actual saying regarding that - “You’re not dead until you’re warm and dead.”
I really think people should check out Motor City nerds review because I really think she does nail it on exactly what's happening and what's going to happen... It's kind of crazy how accurate I think she is
Ah I was so looking forward to your video after watching the episode and you didn’t disappoint as always. So glad you’re covering this, never heard of the Dyatlov pass incident, that’s really interesting and so linked to this. You’d kind of presume Clark isn’t the killer purely because he became the main suspect in episode two… I’m finding this season really interesting, love the setting and the cast, Fiona Shaw is just wonderful, it’s interesting that there are several Irish actors (and one character) in this season given the location. Can’t wait for the next episode and your breakdown!
Great video thank you ! When can we expect an episode 3 breakdown?
I haven’t read comments, but anyone notice it’s an exact excerpt from The Dark Tower? “The fabric of things is thin and the world is old” is almost word for word. They called spots like that a Thinny. And guess who was The Man in Black, aka Red King? Matthew M. And they also had similar facilities at the Beam stations in Dark Tower. Then there’s “The gunslinger fled across the desert, and the man in black followed.” It’s literally called The Wasteland. If that’s not an Ennis type place, nothing is. In season 1, the Iron Crusader dude literally said “I need a gunslinger.” Again, Roland was literally the last Gunslinger. Lot of coincidences.
With what Rose says, i wonder if the spiral refers to the black hole in our universe that Rust also sees in season 1. The Earth is spiraling towards the center. When they say/hear "She's awake" I wonder if its referring to the Earth. Maybe the Earth is waking up from its dream. Maybe we are coming close to the center of the black hole. Idk this season has some very out there stuff so im speculating but im here for it.
Holy shit, I didn't even recall that the spiral itself goes all the way back to season 1!
Think Dyatlov Pass incident + the Mary Celeste. I believe the writer, Issa Lopez has done her homework, at least for some of the inspiration for this series! ❤
This makes me think of what's described in At the Mountains of Madness when the main expedition loses contact with Lake's party, Dyer and a graduate student named Danforth investigate. Lake's camp is devastated, with the majority of men and dogs slaughtered, while a man named Gedney and one of the dogs are absent. Near the expedition's campsite, they find six star-shaped snow mounds with one specimen under each. They also discover that the better preserved life-forms thay were studying have vanished, and that some form of dissection experiment has been done on both an unnamed man and a dog. The missing man, Gedney, is suspected of having gone utterly insane and having killed and mutilated all the others.
When I rewatched the finale of season 1, it looked like Cole had the spiral tattoo on his chest as well. It's not clear, but you can see a tattoo on his chest that you can see partially. I wonder if it's just a coincidence.
The part where the dude woke up in the ice....holy $#&@😮
I hope this season does something new and interesting with the arctic setting since they all seem to be variations of the same story.
Ty dude... lotta insight man... i mean it's a f'ing show it is supposed to entertain and not spoon-feed, but yes, glad it paid off a couple things (twist and shout)!
One thing maybe missed, when Navarro is driving to see Clark before the flashback she runs over what looks like a corpse. Maybe even a head.
Why is no one talking about this? Maybe I need to rewatch but it definitely seemed to be she ran over SOMETHING.
@@p-forest Bro, nobody but one person on Reddit I saw.
@@cmv10 OK, I went back and rewatched, and it may be just a dark chunk of ice or rock or something...definitely not as clear cut as I remembered haha.
Best breakdowns
Please drop an episode 3 breakdown!
My question about the pancakes- where did he score the costco syrup?
Quaavik has the hook up. I’m beginning to consider he’s just a jewel beyond price.
@22:05😮😁 absolutely 💯
My big question is will this season keep the trend of a massive shootout midway through the show like the prior seasons.
1. surviving in ice is a real thing.. 2. rust probably showed anglie that spiral she is his step-mother? or mother. 3. 5 heads 9 feet is a refence to a movie... 4, clark is rust's cousin... 5. pete and his dad are part of the cult/family from s1 5.5 petes dad was painting in ep1 like the painter killer in s1. 5.75 also his dad taking the files because of floodings is like s1 where flooding destroyed birth files of people in s1... 6. the russia bride/lady is a scammer... 7. the boat in s1? i cant remember its name it might have the same name as the trailor? 8. the teddy bear might represent her being a midwife 9. the pictures might be other female victims 10. RUSTS Cousin mentions he died from bone cancer 7 years ago,, like how rust mentions his dad died to it 30 years ago. 10.5 even tho it looks like travis was alive pretty recently 11 -Navarro seemed to have run over bloody snow (prior to hitting oncoming truck/throwing out necklace). 12. Blair is missimg fingers like the handprints on the clothes of the scientist.
10??. but if travis still was alive recently? theres confusion over the weird time confusion
not a smart minotaur that’s for damn sure
@@dylanjordan4747 which 1?
How can Clark be Rust’s cousin? Just curious of your logic there
✈️ lmao that’s amazing
@@FlymanMS my cousinn sold his trailer to that scientist, travis is travis cohcle----- rusts dad,,,,,, and he says he moved to louisan anddied of bone cancer. just like rusts said his dad died of 30 years ago,,,,,,,,,, unless clark is refereeeibg to travis and moving to meanung died?
Ennis is Purgatory? good theory
Did Liz hate the Beatles or was it really Mathew’s rendition. I love that scene in FBDO.
They just hung out and played video games. And now Tuttle makes video games? Hmmmmm
Since Rose is the first one to actually acknowledge the spiral sign
And Rose knew where the bodies were
And Rose knew Travis Cohle
And Rose looks alot like Rust
And Rose is up there alone gutting wolves and smoking big joints.
Maybe all true detectives seasons just take place in her mind.
6 armed men cut the power to the facility, entered the facility and tossed in a few flash bangs causing ruptured eardrums and burned corneas. They are then taken out, forced to strip and tossed into a hole where they froze to death.
No reanimated Annie. No monsters, no ghosts, no polar bears
This is going to be a little out there, Mr. Peppers, but give it a thought.
Firstly, spirals are often symbols indicating portals I many stories, especially fantasy/speculative fiction.
Im a bit struck by a similarity to the dwarf mine symbols (especially the « following dark ») in Terry Pratchett’s classic « Thud ».
Even if I’m wrong, it isn’t a waste of anyone’s time to read.
GNU Sir Terry ❤
The fact that they had frostbite suggests were alive outside long enough to develop and show symptoms.
I’ll be honest… The only reason I even tuned in was because Jodie Foster signed on. There aren’t many good roles available to women of a certain age even to time academy award winning power houses like Ms. Foster. and she’s usually very selective about the rules that she takes, which is why she is turned down so much 💩in the past. She’s intelligent and she has a good eye. There are some decent actresses out there today, but none of them have the caliber of Jodie, Helen Mirren, Kate Winslet, Ellen Burstyn, or Gena Rowlands, two of my personal favorites, etc. so let’s just say I came for Jodie foster and i’m staying in hopes a certain Mr. “Alright alright alright” makes a return. not just a two second cameo actual return … Remember, Jody and Matthew starred alongside each other in the movie “Contact”…. Back in the day So you never know… A girl can dream.
In your last video you can also see the spiral at around 10:15 in Darwin's room made with little stickers or something
As someone who just watched true detective season 1 for the first time and season 3, I would say that they do currently feel like cheap call-backs and there better be more pay off at the end than there was with 3. Don’t want little easter eggs just for the sake of having them. Personal opinion of course’
Maybe Annie's wounds are actually STARFISH shaped because she was stabbed by a sharpened Patrick Star toothbrush.
Which was replaced by a Sponge Bob toothbrush.
Okay, I hadn't noticed the "baby" figure in the trailer. - When I first saw the stab wounds on Annie K. and Navarro said that thing about hate (the killer(s) hated Annie), I thought the stab wounds looked like trying to kill a fetus/baby in a pregnant woman. I think I probably saw the same stab wounds on another woman in another crime show like CSI or maybe Bones where that was the case. So Annie K. must have been pregnant and her killer(s) (who I very much doubt was Clark who was likely the loving father) wanted to kill a pregnant Native woman or what the baby represented. Hate, Navarro says. - But why wouldn't Navarro or anyone know she was pregnant? Police corruption, not exactly unprecedented in True Detective history.
The opening scene In Season 2 ep 3 when Ray is sitting in the bar with his father.
There is an Elvis ( The King) impersonator and he is lip syncing to Conway Twitty's Cover, of Bette Midler's song
"The Rose"
Just watched Ep2(Season4). I think the direction and placement of the spiral have different meanings; up and down, clockwise vs counter clockwise, where it opens and the direction of the spiral. For it to be so random in a show that has nothing random seems like a clue.
andrew.. carolyn's son.
I love your breakdowns but I'm unfortunately not coming back for this show.
I'm also canceling my hbo because none of their content is really that good to me anymore.
There are childrens games at TSALA i bet Annie and Clark's daughter lives there too
liz going ham on the grandma was really difficult to watch... i'm almost amazed pete's wife merely tells her she needs to leave. super uncomfortable, it really felt like some karen-tier bigotry; but it's liz who doesn't seem to be such a person, and would definitely not come out and say it like that. liz definitely has some serious trauma, but that doesn't excuse her reaction at all.
leah and pete's scene was really fun tho.
Abnormal DNA findings was hand written above a picture which shows what the abnormal dna looked like. It was easy to not see because Clark had written all over it, with the I feel her calling, dark eyes etc. So looks like they found something took a sample and found abnormal DNA. That seems like a can of worms that could indicate a bunch of different things. Was it a microorganism they we’re looking for? If not what was it? Could in the process of testing it Clark got infected and that is the cause of his crazy. Or he discovered more about it and in maybe dealing with the other scientists and the funding people they responded in a way that indicated there was something shady going on. Or it could be 14:25 nothing. But I like how science, that often really disproves myths or old beliefs, with seemingly mysterious beliefs based on perhaps cultural folklore. Their are answers with each individually but maybe combining those two perspectives you find a new answer that could be the answer. Much like Danvers and Navarro, two very different people but put them together the work they do is much stronger than working separately.
As she is examining the photographs and you see the aerial shot she seems to have laid them out in that same spiral spooky geometry?
What's funny is that right around the same day that scene with his "bride" to be, I matched with a woman on Tinder who told me she was looking for a "serious relationship and financial support" jj So I had to find out and for sure upon initiating a chat she told me that she is taking care of her mom and would have to "pay someone to watch her" if I wanted her to come visit me jjjj I told her the check was in the mail and went back to RUclips. Lesson learned= The right question is what will the most likely 3 part twist be - there is the woman at the crab processing factory with missing fingers that could very easily correspond with the fingerprint lifted from the boot, as well as the drawings in the trailer of a crab and a deformed hand. That is all over RUclips currently but my take is that it will be like the movie "The Thing". One of the main characters will get taken over by whatever frequency takes control of sentient beings and will have to be put down. That scene with Navarro, the bartender and the Husky where she says something to the effect of that the dog might eat him someday also fits that idea of possession. Which scientists were being blackmailed as part of the Yellow King cult and what level of government aids the quest of the Tuttles to facilitate the research which probably is known to the higher ups at management at the mine.
watch russian mini series - dyatlov pass, from 2020, they did it simply impeccable, all possible theories touched even supernatural one, great cast, especially for dyatlov's group flashbacks
I might have misheard but I think the drunk driver from episode one was called Stacy Childress . The guy yells it out the window
Rose calls Navarro "Missy", not Evangeline.... I wonder if there's anything to that 🤔
Interesting that the email date is 2023. In ep 1 Danvers’ printouts have the date as 2024
It's not a Loop, it's a Spiral
We don’t know how long the scientists were out there in the ice. We just know that they were missing for about four days so that man being alive could be possible.
17:06 I thought he was called Chuck? Clark is the scientist
Dyatlov pass had that one movie and became like a modern folk tale
Well the movie was made because of rising popularity of the incident and it was pretty terrible
All the scientists died chasing Clark who was acting crazy and bolted out the door. They weren't dressed right and succumbed to hypothermia just like Dyatlov. The spiral could be the Golden Ratio indicating a universal truth.
Was the scene from Ferris Beuller chosen because of the line "twist and shout" when clearly the researchers died twisting and shouting? Was that the point of the movie getting stuck there?
Does anyone remember Fortitude? This seems like there are lots of similarities. Set in an arctic cold place, looking at something "that is probably older than the ice"...??
15:40 the "other woman" is Blair, and Blair is missing fingers on her right hand, did she bite them off in a hypodermic delirium? and the hand print on the clothes is missing digits.
Season 3 had a lot of misdirects. I’ve been wondering if a lot of the references to season one are simply misdirects.
Hank is a total cartoon of donald trump. The first time I saw him, I said "what is with the Lyle Lovett haircut?" (Nothing bad, I really like Lyle's music) next thing Hank is more interested in texting/tweeting than actual police work.
I am deeply disappointed that the writers cannot be creative enough to develop and independent arc. S1 was awesome, S3 was great. Give us a S4 with a whole new story, not some derivative claptrap.
Yet other people are going to complain if they were not making connection to spirals and stuff. There’s no pleasing hardcore fans
‘Appetite’ vs ‘needs’. I think appetite has a negative element to it while having needs does not. I don’t condone having sex w/married people but having sex is a need unless it crosses into something that is really bad behavior (incessant sex, sex w/minors, rough sex, etc). I think it is good to see that women, of all ages, having sex more on their terms. Btw, being an asshole is not gender specific, imo.
Big bear and Little bear...Ursa Major and Ursa Minor. Ursa Major and Polaris are on the State flag of Alaska and Polaris, the North Star, is part of Ursa Minor...Little Bear and big bear missing eyes and have star shaped wound
The cross markers in the intro all have dates October, November, December of 2023
I love Fiona Shaw something fierce!! Ugh!!!
Well In my opinion it is all about the mines and the entity that was trapped there millions of years ago. The tuttles found out about it and funded the operation to uncover it. The water turning to shit and All this mysteries revolves around the entity driving people mad and bend them to it's will.
Spirals in the Vending machine front and center
season 3 refs crocked spiral link to what happened to missing kids(why blade getting interveiwed by webcam girl),season1 ends in 2012 so no real twitter mindset exists(why camgirl picked up old-discreditted,for the time-story: real"truther"energy),and season 2 setup storyline for how this one goes(2 took place in horror at red hook-house of leng-and 4 happens in mtns.of madness-tik a lee lee)...
all are red hare ings, even the ginger...