This is amazing. I have watched many videos on creating a fixed Brummells, all the videos show running the whole length of the line through the first hole. With this method, I just put an eye splice at the end of a spool with out unspooling it. I'm not a kiter, but a hammock camper. This will be used as a ridge line for a tarp or hammock. Also tie-outs for the tarp. Thank you very much, this makes it much easier!
Thanks for the video. I really struggled at first and experiemented with many different homemade Fids and different gauge guitar wire. In the end a 22 guage string offered the best balance between rigidity and thinness to slide up the line. I've now tried on Cabrinha, Naish, Liquid Force and even 0.9mm Ozone race lines. All easy to do once you get the hang of it. Im also making my own adjustable and universal line connectors out of 3mm dyneema but these need a 20cm bury so I think Im going to have to stitch them and gonfor a shorter bury / tail. Cheers
Good idea, saw a video on how to splice a cut line. It's basically the same method, but great idea putting it together. It's really simple. There is a tool for splicing lines that should work for this as well.
Used this a while back, but I found the tails came out when the line ends flap in the wind. Admittedly this was in extreme wind. The main issue is that this is not a proper Brummel splice: the loop is not locked in both directions. It is probably reasonably safe since the look can only get smaller, but it is missing the second step: passing the short end of the line through the line to completely lock the loop before burying the line.
I, and many many of other power kiters and racers have never had any issues with this knot if it’s made correctly, I’m not going to argue about which is better or not, just saying this knot has been faultless
You misunderstood, I am not talking about burying. If you are interested to learn more then watch a video about how to do the brummel splice. If you are happy with what you have then that's fine for you.
I think the brummel splice should be used instead of this one for kite surfing. The problem with this splice is that if the tail becomes slack it will slide and the loop will shrink. The sliding could cause friction resulting in failure of the splice itself or the line it is hitched onto. I know you say you have good experience with this splice, but the brummel is only slightly more difficult to splice and is impossible to slide and is therefore theoretically much safer.
Thanks Carlos. couldn't make it work on my HQ Apex lines - you'd laugh if you saw the mess I made of that! I might need more of a hollow braid methinks.... PS: if you don't have any welding rods, Mattress repair needles or Sculpting needles make good splicing tools.
Hi I do read the comments, I’m sorry though I cannot remember where I got the lines from, I transferred them from and too a few sets of kites, last being the Vapor’s
Any tricks to get the tail back down the main line? I am having a dickens of time on a 500lb dacron line to get it to slide back down the inside. I am having to work the heck out of it and all the friction is causing the line to fray. I didn't have this issue on the smaller line but it was all lightly waxed. I am doing this on my single kite lines now.
can you please specify the type and size of line you are using. I have come across some lines which I cannot bury the tail as the weave is either too tight or there are blockages. I am trying to find a supplier to buy a couple of rolls from but so far each sample I have received has not worked
I have successfully done this several times, but now I am having problems getting the doubled over line inside the 12cm section. this is killing my fingers to pull through. Any suggestions please.
I learned rope splicing as a child but I am having a problem with attempting to splice an upper cascade line off my old Buzz Paraglider (1st of the line) and that 2.5 mm braid is hard stuff just to try to get to bulb. Been working on if (yes I broke down and bough a replacement and using the old for learning small cord but I really don't want to have to use the sewing machine and sew a new loop the next time I need a repair. Can't carry them in the field or in the pocket either. Is there a "secret" trick to working with the smaller lines? Believe me, I have watched a few of these training vids (thank you!!) and after a "few" years playing with ropes and lines I feel the monkeys in the monkey house can do a better job than I am doing! Yes I do own a kite too all you pilots! Another question: Does age make a difference in getting them to separate into a bulb? These lines are getting old! Guess I better look at a new wing maybe?
I am not saying this is any better or worse than other knots out there, I am just sharing how and what I use, I have trusted my life to this knot many times over
OK I have a line nick a few cm from the tip so I'm going to cut all the lines to this length. I may sew it anyways but will share back my experience and refer to this video when I do the line loops
I tried another line I have and it worked perfect. It just didn't work on some old Peter Lynn Arc lines. I have done brummel splices on due power lines. This is a lot simpler. Have you tried brummel splice on kite line?
Mark Woodhouse hi mark, I can’t be sure of that as I am not familiar with that brand, all I can say is, if your dyneema is hollow inside as the line in the video, you will be able to do this 👍
What type of line do you use for your kite lines? Without the use of sleeving how do you equalize line lengths after stretching when flying a lot. I normally use a spectra dyneema line like Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed line for my 2 and 4 line stunt kites and it does stretch some after awhile so I have to undo the sleeving not and retie to make them even. I really like the look of this better though.
any standard traditional power kite lines and also the brake lines....as long as the line is hollow, any brand or make will work like SK75 in 275kg, 220kg, 170kg, 110kg, 80kg or 65kg
Did you have any luck? Which line did you work on? I'm trying with an upper cascade line off my old Buzz and it's a no go so far and I've brutalized the old line off that Glider so badly trying to get a bulb (budge) to open up I'm waiting for a call from the UNs torture committee! I feel the poor line needs to be framed on the wall for all the life it's had! The lower and larger lines are easy compared. Not like ropes for boats but the same methods, just need a magnifying glass for these old eyes! Braiding rope is much easier but these skills are needed in the field. Need smaller fids! LOL
George Purdy Hi! I tried but i don't think it is possible or at least not practical on paraglider lines, at least not the sheated ones..i guess good old sewing is the way to go on most paraglider lines! ;)
This is amazing. I have watched many videos on creating a fixed Brummells, all the videos show running the whole length of the line through the first hole. With this method, I just put an eye splice at the end of a spool with out unspooling it. I'm not a kiter, but a hammock camper. This will be used as a ridge line for a tarp or hammock. Also tie-outs for the tarp. Thank you very much, this makes it much easier!
My pleasure
Great idea - love it! Thanks for the vid Pops, I'll be adjusting ALL my lines very soon!
Thanks for the video. I really struggled at first and experiemented with many different homemade Fids and different gauge guitar wire. In the end a 22 guage string offered the best balance between rigidity and thinness to slide up the line.
I've now tried on Cabrinha, Naish, Liquid Force and even 0.9mm Ozone race lines. All easy to do once you get the hang of it.
Im also making my own adjustable and universal line connectors out of 3mm dyneema but these need a 20cm bury so I think Im going to have to stitch them and gonfor a shorter bury / tail.
Cheers
Well done, once mastered it really is simple and quicker to do than any other knott, and much neater too
Good idea, saw a video on how to splice a cut line. It's basically the same method, but great idea putting it together. It's really simple. There is a tool for splicing lines that should work for this as well.
Used this a while back, but I found the tails came out when the line ends flap in the wind. Admittedly this was in extreme wind. The main issue is that this is not a proper Brummel splice: the loop is not locked in both directions. It is probably reasonably safe since the look can only get smaller, but it is missing the second step: passing the short end of the line through the line to completely lock the loop before burying the line.
I've been running all my splices through a sewing machine just to lock it in place.
rtz549 Then you are better off with a straight bury like flysurfer use which is simpler, stronger and much easier to adjust to an exact length.
I, and many many of other power kiters and racers have never had any issues with this knot if it’s made correctly, I’m not going to argue about which is better or not, just saying this knot has been faultless
Maybe watch it again I do bury the short end through the line 🤷♂️
You misunderstood, I am not talking about burying. If you are interested to learn more then watch a video about how to do the brummel splice. If you are happy with what you have then that's fine for you.
Most epic knotting ever. Works like a charm! Thanks a lot!
Thank you, as soon as I discovered it I never used anything else, spread the video around for all
Thanks for the video. I just made a set of extensions for my biggest kite, for light winds.
Very cool. Thanks for posting!
Can't not be much clear! Nice job!
I think the brummel splice should be used instead of this one for kite surfing. The problem with this splice is that if the tail becomes slack it will slide and the loop will shrink. The sliding could cause friction resulting in failure of the splice itself or the line it is hitched onto. I know you say you have good experience with this splice, but the brummel is only slightly more difficult to splice and is impossible to slide and is therefore theoretically much safer.
Oliver yes the Brummel knot is good, this knot has had 1000s of hours of testing with zero problems, so please make your own choice 👍
this looks like a brummel? am i wrong?@@popeyethewelder-carlosfanfango
@@810labs oh I don’t know, I’m not a knot man 😂😂
Thanks Carlos. couldn't make it work on my HQ Apex lines - you'd laugh if you saw the mess I made of that! I might need more of a hollow braid methinks....
PS: if you don't have any welding rods, Mattress repair needles or Sculpting needles make good splicing tools.
quedecree get dynema
I just made a few splices yesterday for my new lines. looks really nice and tight, but does it really hold just like that, without any sewing?
show me how to make a big kite with no tall
Andreas S yes it does I promise you if you have followed the instructions
9 years later I doubt you read the comments, but where do you get your lines from?
Hi I do read the comments, I’m sorry though I cannot remember where I got the lines from, I transferred them from and too a few sets of kites, last being the Vapor’s
Isso serve para que?
Thanks
Any tricks to get the tail back down the main line? I am having a dickens of time on a 500lb dacron line to get it to slide back down the inside. I am having to work the heck out of it and all the friction is causing the line to fray. I didn't have this issue on the smaller line but it was all lightly waxed. I am doing this on my single kite lines now.
You using the guitar string to pull it through ?
can you please specify the type and size of line you are using. I have come across some lines which I cannot bury the tail as the weave is either too tight or there are blockages. I am trying to find a supplier to buy a couple of rolls from but so far each sample I have received has not worked
Peter R Try www.winchline.nl/index.php/dyneema-winchline/paraglider-winchline
trust you to use a welding rod :) great vid mate. James.
I have successfully done this several times, but now I am having problems getting the doubled over line inside the 12cm section. this is killing my fingers to pull through. Any suggestions please.
norm king are you bulging the line
Thank you.
I learned rope splicing as a child but I am having a problem with attempting to splice an upper cascade line off my old Buzz Paraglider (1st of the line) and that 2.5 mm braid is hard stuff just to try to get to bulb. Been working on if (yes I broke down and bough a replacement and using the old for learning small cord but I really don't want to have to use the sewing machine and sew a new loop the next time I need a repair. Can't carry them in the field or in the pocket either.
Is there a "secret" trick to working with the smaller lines? Believe me, I have watched a few of these training vids (thank you!!) and after a "few" years playing with ropes and lines I feel the monkeys in the monkey house can do a better job than I am doing!
Yes I do own a kite too all you pilots!
Another question: Does age make a difference in getting them to separate into a bulb? These lines are getting old! Guess I better look at a new wing maybe?
The lines are Dyneema main and break lines, they are circular with a hollow middle
Look up brummel splice. This guy does it wrong, you don't want to learn from him
nice job, thanks for sharing
🙏
Any reason why this is better than a brummel splice?
Geir Helge Nygjerde no reason
I am not saying this is any better or worse than other knots out there, I am just sharing how and what I use, I have trusted my life to this knot many times over
Good job nice video. Just need to get me some dyneema
Should this be sewn after?
no.....no sewing or knots, unbelievable right....trust me, it works 100%, I have trusted my life to these knots
OK I have a line nick a few cm from the tip so I'm going to cut all the lines to this length. I may sew it anyways but will share back my experience and refer to this video when I do the line loops
where did u buy orange bundle of lines ???
drabhijeet jain it came from Europe
Love it. Thank you
You’re welcome 🙏
Hi in the USA where can I get this type of line over here?
Michael Stelmasek hi any good power kite shop should sell it if not eBay
Using guitar string is a great idea. It looks like this is simply a brummel lock splice
That's precisely what it is. Comes from the sailing/boating world.
You must have some loose weave lines. I could not force the tail back through after an hour of attempts.
I tried another line I have and it worked perfect. It just didn't work on some old Peter Lynn Arc lines.
I have done brummel splices on due power lines. This is a lot simpler. Have you tried brummel splice on kite line?
Just standard power kite lines
Will this method work on 50ld braided dyneema line or would I be better off just sleeping the line?
Mark Woodhouse hi mark, I can’t be sure of that as I am not familiar with that brand, all I can say is, if your dyneema is hollow inside as the line in the video, you will be able to do this 👍
What type of line do you use for your kite lines? Without the use of sleeving how do you equalize line lengths after stretching when flying a lot. I normally use a spectra dyneema line like Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed line for my 2 and 4 line stunt kites and it does stretch some after awhile so I have to undo the sleeving not and retie to make them even. I really like the look of this better though.
any standard traditional power kite lines and also the brake lines....as long as the line is hollow, any brand or make will work like SK75 in 275kg, 220kg, 170kg, 110kg, 80kg or 65kg
Thank you!!
You’re welcome 🙏
best ideas are always the simplest ! XLNT
no lock?
Spoderman not needed, it self locks, tried and tested for many years without failure
not needed, no stitching or knots, trust me this works 100%
Hi
Hi
I will try that on a paraglider line.
Did you have any luck? Which line did you work on? I'm trying with an upper cascade line off my old Buzz and it's a no go so far and I've brutalized the old line off that Glider so badly trying to get a bulb (budge) to open up I'm waiting for a call from the UNs torture committee! I feel the poor line needs to be framed on the wall for all the life it's had! The lower and larger lines are easy compared. Not like ropes for boats but the same methods, just need a magnifying glass for these old eyes! Braiding rope is much easier but these skills are needed in the field. Need smaller fids! LOL
George Purdy
Hi! I tried but i don't think it is possible or at least not practical on paraglider lines, at least not the sheated ones..i guess good old sewing is the way to go on most paraglider lines! ;)
Yep, knots reduce the ultimate strength of any line, this method does not.
Correct, thank you for your comment 🙏
my biggest issue is where to find type line without busting my wallet. Can't trust the sellers on eBay if their pricks are attractive.
www.ufopowerkites.com/ufo-lines.htm
The line in this vid is stiff as. This is impossible with softer braided line. Easier to get Kenworth up a rabbit hole.
Look at the brake lines, (the grey ones) those lines are very fine and certainly not stiff
Visually terrible. .
Get the camera closer
Go to spec savers 😂😂😂
Just a Brummel loop.