How To Install Roof Rails Honda Odyssey

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  • Опубликовано: 6 дек 2018
  • This video covers how to install original equipment roof rails on a 2012 Honda Odyssey. However, the information in this video can be used as an overview for roof rail installation on most vehicles.
    This is the first of a series of videos on how to install a cargo carrier on your vehicle. Links to the additional videos posted below when the videos become available.
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  • @TreyCook21
    @TreyCook21 5 лет назад +59

    Halfway through the video I realized that the camera was moving and you weren't holding it! Hooray for cameraman Brian!

  • @danielames7611
    @danielames7611 Месяц назад +1

    I have a leak and literally every vid I could find shows dealing with a roof rack, which I do jot have. Aaaalllll I need to flippin know is how to take off the weatherstripping when there is no roof rack to get you started. This is the only vid I could find that actually shows that. Thank you, sir.

  • @spoerer567
    @spoerer567 5 лет назад +67

    Anyone else not have a Honda Odyssey and just watch cause you like to watch Eric’s vids???

    • @mailmanjoe
      @mailmanjoe 5 лет назад +1

      Absolutely! Never miss a vid. 👍

    • @insideoutsideupsidedown2218
      @insideoutsideupsidedown2218 5 лет назад

      Had an O7 Odyssey, weak transmission and power steering system, will not buy another one

    • @CarolinaCowboys
      @CarolinaCowboys 4 года назад +1

      @@insideoutsideupsidedown2218 I didn't have any issues with my transmission or power steering, but I had other issues I made alot of videos from

    • @katevancantfort122
      @katevancantfort122 4 года назад

      He is great!!

    • @untouchable570
      @untouchable570 2 года назад

      2013 odyssey touring edition. You’d think for touring it would come with a roof rack/rails. Why I’m here

  • @victorquesada7530
    @victorquesada7530 Год назад +2

    I really appreciate how you included a lot of straightforward pro tips, sometimes it's the simple little details that makes a huge difference between getting something done. Pleasantly and having a really rough time. Some of those are kind of obvious if you do have a lot of experience, but the straightforward stuff like bracing the cut object against something secure might not be obvious to somebody tackling a project like this for the first time.

  • @sportsbeat1673
    @sportsbeat1673 4 года назад +9

    Great videos Eric. You are to the point and don't ramble on and on like most. Video quality is excellent. I installed the Honda Oddessy rail racks and cross bars as to your instructions. It went well. Thank you so much. I could not have done it without your expertise. My best!

  • @kyleduesenberg3784
    @kyleduesenberg3784 4 года назад +15

    Thanks so much for making this video; it was really helpful. As a word of encouragement to other DIYers out there, I had neither a vice nor power saw, and it was not that hard to make the cuts with a manual hacksaw and my gloved hands. Also, I used some painters tape and a black pen to mark the cut lines and measuring tape, not a tape measure, to measure the distance.

  • @Sashapasha1
    @Sashapasha1 2 года назад +2

    Updated link to the installation instructions: www.hondapartsnow.com/resources/installation/HPN/AII49541.pdf

  • @Gruggggg
    @Gruggggg 5 лет назад +8

    Great to see detailed DIY tutorial done properly in detail. Thanks Eric.

  • @michellem634
    @michellem634 2 года назад +1

    Thanks for this!! I lost one of my roof rails in a tornado and now have the confidence to put it back on myself!! Going to purchase now.. Much appreciation 😊

  • @jacmccauley7581
    @jacmccauley7581 5 лет назад +5

    Good video Eric. Obviously this doesn’t apply to everyone, because there is a great deal of people that don’t use roof racks, but for those that do, they now know how it’s done

  • @jessemcternan1927
    @jessemcternan1927 2 года назад +3

    Thanks! I followed your directions to install OEM rails on my 2015 Odyssey today (except I used a hacksaw--wasn't that bad). Took about 2 hours but I was going slowly and was distracted at times. Not as scary as I thought it'd be.

  • @elnellis1
    @elnellis1 Год назад +1

    Watched the video 2x and went at it like a pro. Thanks for the clear explanation and step by step approach. The project took me and my son less than an hour! Thank you!

  • @stevemckenzie9138
    @stevemckenzie9138 2 года назад

    Thank you so much! I was able to install this on Sunday in about an hour and a half. Your video was an enormous help because the rails came with NO Information. I purchased after market rails for my Odyssey and they fit perfectly.

  • @matthewjames1448
    @matthewjames1448 2 года назад +1

    Marvelously helpful video, Eric. I just installed the rails on my wife’s 2015 Pilot (her Christmas present), and your help was crucial to making me feel confident about the job. Thanks for your excellent example!

    • @noraballantyne1
      @noraballantyne1 2 года назад +1

      What instructions did you use? The .pdf he linked to is not active...

  • @ianmitchell4745
    @ianmitchell4745 3 года назад

    Thanks Eric the Car Guy, this video was perfect. We bought a lower model and really got it for camping so I had to put some of these on. Great advice too, on setting the pieces on the roof to make sure the cuts are right.

  • @thomaskreiberg5882
    @thomaskreiberg5882 2 года назад +1

    This video is really well done. I used masking tape on the trim and marked/cut on that. I used a hacksaw and it was fine. The only small gotcha for me was the middle mount for the rails. It can be tricky to slide the trim cover in between the roof and the underside of the rail, while keeping the gasket in place underneath that trim cover. And Eric suggests tightening the middle mount first. I followed that guideline on the first rail, got cocky on the second one and didn't. Eric was right - it's easier to align the rail when you tighten the middle mount first... I installed the cross bars too. We have taken two long road trips now, with 60-100 lbs of cargo in our rooftop carrier with no issues. Thank you!

  • @danielmoore1067
    @danielmoore1067 2 года назад +1

    Thanks to your fantastic video, I was able to install new roof rails today-and I am not exactly a handy fix-it kind of person. Eric the Car Guy, you’re the best!

  • @jeffshaw7035
    @jeffshaw7035 4 года назад +1

    Used your video instruction to install a Honda rack on my 2016 - worked like a charm, super helpful. I used a sawzall with a metal blade for cutting the rails which worked ok but had to be careful not to bend the rails. The clips that break at the beginning can be a bear to get off..

  • @SuperDave21
    @SuperDave21 5 лет назад +2

    Love the video Eric, you make the process so easy!

  • @valerief1231
    @valerief1231 3 года назад +1

    Thank you, I’m adding roof rails and on the path to turning my 2014 Odyssey into a camper van, my girl Leslie Kalk here on YT did not order OEM rails and ended up spending a lot of time making them work, she too cannot stress enough the importance of OEM, the crazy thing is, the units you linked here, are the same ones I’ve had in my Amazon basket for weeks lol, but the cost was similar to the after market ones Leslie bought. I feel much more confident now, I’m super thankful for this video and the parts links, now I’m off to watch the cross bar video lol.

  • @outsidelife5411
    @outsidelife5411 2 года назад

    great video and thanks for the step-by-step instructions. I have a 2016 Odyssey and I want to install rails but am a bit nervous. This video helps and will probably soon take the plunge instead of having the dealer to install it. Thanks to all other commenters that gave tips on alternate tools, such as hacksaw, etc.

  • @gotfries2012
    @gotfries2012 Год назад +1

    Just installed the roof rails and crossbar to my Honda Odyssey. Thank you for the tutorial, such a great channel, love your video content.

  • @anysnail6390
    @anysnail6390 4 года назад

    I have this generation Odyssey and in your older videos hat generation Accord. You are my favorite Honda mechanic on RUclips. Thanks for being so great!

  • @robertmedina6875
    @robertmedina6875 5 лет назад

    Congratulations on you Hot Rod lay out bro!! So happy for you!

  • @karentilley4356
    @karentilley4356 2 года назад

    You are AMAZING - making this film to help so
    many people you don’t know. Kudos to you!

  • @artgibbens1730
    @artgibbens1730 5 лет назад

    Hey Eric, just binged on your Fairmont Project for the last couple of weeks. So I go to my mailbox, find the February 2019 issue of Hot Rod and bring it in. I get inside and lo, and behold, there's Oliver on the Contents page and a 4 page spread for the whole world to enjoy. Congrats!

  • @ducrogers302
    @ducrogers302 3 года назад

    New subscriber here. I've watched your vids and I'm very grateful for you sharing your knowledge in very good detailed manner. Great job!

  • @joshuaspooner5086
    @joshuaspooner5086 5 лет назад

    Being a new Dad with a New Honda Odyssey i’m super-stoked for these videos.

  • @ben.jamin921
    @ben.jamin921 4 года назад

    Installed roof rails this morning.. thanks for great instructions! 💯 % You Rock!

  • @davidmccoley6522
    @davidmccoley6522 2 года назад

    My wife and I installed the new honda oem racks today and we were getting along and working very well together and we were putting the finishing rack snap covers and from our own honda parts department warehouse had two of the same snap covers in the box, so now we have to order the correct snap cover to finish. Thanks

  • @jimsoque4380
    @jimsoque4380 4 года назад

    That was THE BEST DYI video I've ever seen on RUclips! And I don't even have an Odyssey Mini Van.... yet, that is. Great Camera Work too. Thanks Eric!

  • @caffrey9
    @caffrey9 5 лет назад +1

    You rock!!!
    I used all your points on my 2019 and crushed it.
    I found the covers very forgiving and it helped cover my sawzaw trim job!
    Thank you

    • @mikephelan5940
      @mikephelan5940 4 года назад

      caffrey9 great to know as I’m about to try on my 2020 (5th gen, just like 2019). Thanks for posting!

  • @QuadtrackZero
    @QuadtrackZero 4 года назад

    Man, this video saved me hundreds! Thanks for the tape recommendation in putting on the middle covers!

  • @cakeisalie
    @cakeisalie 5 лет назад

    I love how I still watch every second of this, considering that I already have a rail installed on my SUV

  • @nolinovio6748
    @nolinovio6748 3 года назад +2

    thank you! I've watched other similar videos for the Odyssey, your version of the installation is much clearer and easier to follow, thanks!

    • @nolinovio6748
      @nolinovio6748 3 года назад +1

      ...and passing gas , in the end was hilarious :)

  • @idrivea911
    @idrivea911 10 месяцев назад

    Super helpful, mostly to see that I don't have to do any drilling/sealing of the roofline. That was a go/no-go decider for me.

  • @magnaangels
    @magnaangels 3 года назад

    I can’t believe how easy he make it looks, I definitely will install mine soon. Thanks teacher!!!!

  • @yaddamaster
    @yaddamaster 5 лет назад

    Thanks, Eric. Great video and made the installation a breeze!

  • @Zebrayoshi
    @Zebrayoshi 18 дней назад

    Great job Eric! Thanks for the demo and tips!

  • @MrSquishyD
    @MrSquishyD 5 лет назад +2

    For your (and my) reference: Walkthrough of the installation instructions.
    1. Remove endpiece trim at the trunk. (2:30) Lift Tailgate halfway and pull back on the trim piece and then push up/wiggle.
    2. Remove trim on roof (1:52). Use trim tool (or screwdriver) to pry it up, starting at the front windshield.
    Clips are ~2 inches in from the windshield, ~3 inches before the start of the sliding door, ~3 inches before the end of the sliding door, and right near the trunk endcap piece.
    3. Remove the clips themselves (2:10) to expose the little posts. Remove them from the posts on van AND/OR from the trim if they came out with them.
    4. Measure marks for cutting of the trip piece. (Pic of installation manual he used @ 4:22)
    Measure 556mm (21.9 in)from the front of the trim.
    Then 150mm GAP and cut again.
    Then 850mm (33.5 in) to next posts.
    Then 95mm GAP.
    Then 518 mm (20.4in) will be the new END of your trim.
    Lay the trim back on van to make sure the cuts generally align with the posts before cutting.
    5. CUT at each mark. Measure twice cut once!
    6. Trim the Rear endpiece along scribe line (7:32).
    7. Clean up edges of trim rear end piece with a file. Clean up blurs, don't need to make them perfect as they'll be covered by roof rail feet. (8:20)
    8. Start inserting trim back onto van. Insert new clips into front piece (556mm) with the wings towards the rear of the van.
    There is a hole in the clip, line it up with one of the studs from the first posts near the windshield. Clips stays in place on the post and the trim can slide forward as far as it needs to go.
    Middle trim (850mm) just rests on the van in between the posts.
    Rear trim piece (518mm) rests behind the rear posts.
    9. Reinstall rear trim endpiece by lifting tailgate halfway. (9:06)
    10. Place new rail onto the studs. (9:45) Exhale.
    11. Install plastic trim pieces starting at the front of the vehicle (11:15). Slide tab into place and insert clips into holes. Install side screw (front and rear piece only).
    12. Install middle plastic trim piece: The trickiest of the trim. Mask off front side of post first, to avoid scratching paint. (12:14).
    Wedge it in under the rail on the front of the post and then wiggle in the rear end.
    Voila side one!

  • @HavokStrifeX
    @HavokStrifeX 5 лет назад

    In the last couple videos I noticed immediately you've had Cameraman Brian back..dude does awesome work.

  • @TheBackyardfishing
    @TheBackyardfishing 5 лет назад +1

    Eric! Its so good to see that the fairmont In hot rod magazine.

  • @HaythamBuKhadra
    @HaythamBuKhadra 5 лет назад +10

    Nice job eric. Also the beard is looking great.

  • @j.w.l.2766
    @j.w.l.2766 3 года назад

    Superb. Eric is a natural broadcaster and teacher. Step by Step instructions that anyone can follow. JWL - New York

  • @pbcanuckrun
    @pbcanuckrun 2 года назад

    Success! Moved my rails successfully! The back part was the trickiest to get off without snapping.

  • @thomaswarren7227
    @thomaswarren7227 4 года назад

    Thank you! Great video! Just installed mine without issue thanks to this video

  • @petrmiskerik
    @petrmiskerik 5 лет назад

    Brian is back !!!!! Awesome !! And thx for great video guys.

  • @brg3411
    @brg3411 3 года назад +1

    We installed these rails on our 2017 Honda Odyssey. The video is great! The pdf Eric listed isn’t available, but another viewer posted the updated pdf. Which I printed out. If you have a 4th generation Honda Odyssey 2011-2017. These will work & look good. One problem was they shorted us a screw. I am going to contact the company for this part. Husband put something in tell we have the correct one. You can buy a reciprocal saw at Harbor Freight for about $20-30. Need a blade for cutting metal $5-10. My husband used chop saw. I ordered parts in November didn’t receive tell mid December..so we didn’t have time to install for trip. Give yourself extra shipping time. (Shipping could of been Covid related or weather.

  • @humberton2306
    @humberton2306 4 года назад

    I had another brand installed. Same instructions. Thanks. It worked fine.

  • @seanneuert5019
    @seanneuert5019 4 года назад

    Excellent video, resulted in a super easy install.

  • @sidneylam9561
    @sidneylam9561 Год назад

    Thanks for the video, Eric. I always come back to your channel when looking to repair my Honda car/van or install accessories. Thanks for the links to the parts and instructions pdf. Some notes: removing the roof molding should start from the back. Also, when cutting the roof molding (in your video as well as the installation pdf from Honda step 6 page 3 of 6), it's unnecessary to measure and cut the small segments (150mm, 95mm are no use). You only need the 556mm, 850mm and 518mm pieces. And so you only need 3 cuts instead of 5.

  • @pervezdurrani3421
    @pervezdurrani3421 4 года назад

    It was wonderful presentation, May God bless you for all the good work.

  • @honnomr79
    @honnomr79 3 года назад

    Thanks - followed instructions exactly and didn't have any problems. To make the cut measurements easier, I just added up the measurements progressively so I could measure them all off the one end and minimize the chance for error. I also made the decision to use blue loctite on the bolts so they couldn't vibrate loose. Great video, though!

  • @greentea5317
    @greentea5317 4 года назад

    Just want to say Thanks for the video. I’ll pay the dealership $40 for the install, but they wanted $175. Thanks again!

  • @luisalonsomacedo7163
    @luisalonsomacedo7163 3 года назад

    Good job..i gonna install it today I hope everything fit good thanks for the video.

  • @kostasfarao9953
    @kostasfarao9953 3 года назад

    I own a Honda FRV (aka EDIX) and it works pretty fine for me this video! Thanks!

  • @danielbaltes9415
    @danielbaltes9415 5 лет назад

    Eric your the man, i love your videos

  • @nosonfontenot3072
    @nosonfontenot3072 4 года назад

    I'm getting leakage from the roof seam on my 06. Reversing your vid will make the resealing a snap- thanks dude! Most of all for not going on and on like some. -ugh

  • @glena4979
    @glena4979 Месяц назад

    Thanks your video really helped!! Took me about 2 hrs just taking my time. Could have done in 1. I also did middle bars too.

  • @georgekopsias9159
    @georgekopsias9159 4 месяца назад

    Great video. Finished product looks good.

  • @juliecarlsenful
    @juliecarlsenful 3 года назад

    beautiful video, thanks for this!

  • @guerin1982
    @guerin1982 5 лет назад

    Love the bloopers at the end !!!

  • @sonofdr.xtimliss2811
    @sonofdr.xtimliss2811 3 года назад

    Well said and demonstrates 'THANK YOU"👍

  • @batvette
    @batvette 11 месяцев назад

    I love that their recommended cutting tool is an air saw. Ive had one for 20 years. Have used it three times, it eats blades and is hard to control. It has its uses but is literally the last tool Id pick to make these cuts.

  • @adamsheldon6176
    @adamsheldon6176 5 лет назад +2

    Good stuff. I can see this applies to lots of cars.

    • @Patrick94GSR
      @Patrick94GSR 5 лет назад

      yep, Mazda roof rails install pretty much the same way. Only 3 cuts and 2 mounting points on the CX5 rails, though.

  • @chrismachica5219
    @chrismachica5219 3 года назад

    Easy! Thank you Eric!

  • @steveboyter548
    @steveboyter548 4 года назад

    Great video, very straightforward

  • @moisesrios2050
    @moisesrios2050 3 года назад

    Thanks for the video , it was very helpful.

  • @dpuppa98
    @dpuppa98 4 года назад

    Great instructions!!! Thank you!!!

  • @jballoregon
    @jballoregon 2 месяца назад

    Super helpful...this was my reference video, thank you!

  • @Dcs-Brasil
    @Dcs-Brasil 5 лет назад +1

    Perfect work !

  • @mdwillington9416
    @mdwillington9416 3 года назад

    Cool, just bought a 2013 last week, looks like it’s possible to get rails and cross bars on there for our Thule 👍

  • @WAOQVNA
    @WAOQVNA 3 года назад

    Thanks for this instructional video, you really go to the point! I need to instal used orillinal rail bars to my mitsubishi montero 2001 naked roof. But I will need to make holes on the roof, and screw the nuts under the roof pannel (inside the SUV). Its more complex because I need to take out the doors rubber around the windows, and (inside the car) take my hands and tool between the roof corner and the inside pannel. I guess is going to be a risky project, maybe I will need to take it to a body shop.

  • @ozzstars_cars
    @ozzstars_cars 5 лет назад +14

    Really nice to have the rails. Can strap mattresses and lumber to the top.

    • @ElectoneGuy
      @ElectoneGuy 5 лет назад +1

      Or you can have the mattress shop deliver it... ;)

    • @Th0garr
      @Th0garr 5 лет назад +3

      @@ElectoneGuy but how can they deliver it if I find one on the side of the road?

    • @SgtJoeSmith
      @SgtJoeSmith 5 лет назад

      And grandma

  • @user-io3hw7hx7q
    @user-io3hw7hx7q 5 лет назад +1

    Outstanding job awesome thanks

  • @cayezara8110
    @cayezara8110 3 года назад

    You are a pro! Excellent!

  • @StalowaWola911
    @StalowaWola911 3 года назад

    Excellent tutorial!!!

  • @alyshamartin5112
    @alyshamartin5112 2 года назад

    Why do you remind me so much of my dad? Great video, I'm going to try to find a roof rack at wreckers

  • @tonyarguello192
    @tonyarguello192 5 лет назад

    Thank you Eric!!!!

  • @gmaclaren
    @gmaclaren 5 лет назад

    Nicely done. Thanks.

  • @lisatiller6460
    @lisatiller6460 3 года назад

    Thanks! This was helpful!

  • @johngraham78
    @johngraham78 3 года назад

    Very helpful, thanks!!!

  • @bryanmeyers2385
    @bryanmeyers2385 2 года назад

    Thank you for this. You rock!!!

  • @jeffburtonnottheracecardriver
    @jeffburtonnottheracecardriver Год назад

    A terrificly made video by you and your camera man!

  • @mikechaco3546
    @mikechaco3546 3 года назад

    Awesome video thank you!

  • @DarronRansbarger
    @DarronRansbarger 5 лет назад

    Excellent video.

  • @utahmedicineman7654
    @utahmedicineman7654 5 лет назад

    Great Video! I am empowered!

  • @Thebrickrobloxcat
    @Thebrickrobloxcat 2 года назад

    Thanks. Very helpful!

  • @wanjockey
    @wanjockey 5 лет назад

    Great video Eric.

  • @enfiesta2mx
    @enfiesta2mx 4 года назад

    Great video!!

  • @symphonysound505
    @symphonysound505 Год назад

    Great Video. Very Detailed

  • @destroso
    @destroso Год назад

    Couldn’t of done it without you, thanks

  • @matthewunger7338
    @matthewunger7338 Месяц назад

    "send it home"... Love it.

  • @Leatherkid01
    @Leatherkid01 5 лет назад

    Metric tape measure widely available here in Canada.... I dont own a honda van but love your vids so i watch it anyways :)

  • @caution_xray
    @caution_xray 3 года назад

    Thanks Eric 🤙🏽

  • @Brian-Burke
    @Brian-Burke 5 лет назад +4

    Full beard, Eric! You look good. You remind me of someone famous but I can't place it. Have a good weekend.

    • @hyahooh
      @hyahooh 3 года назад

      Steve Carell, Evan almighty?

  • @Chrishm0
    @Chrishm0 5 лет назад

    Great install, very similar to how it was described to do on our CRV, which I did not do, as not a trained professional, not sure why honda makes it so hard.

  • @SheikShak
    @SheikShak 3 года назад

    Very good ......thank u sir

  • @justindblankenship
    @justindblankenship 5 лет назад

    May I ask, what microphone do you use? It’s always very clear and picks up well. Also, of course your videos are great!

  • @edwardvandyke2021
    @edwardvandyke2021 5 дней назад

    If anyone is wondering how to get this for cheaper than his price listed. Check your local pick and pull or wrench a part. I have a 2016, found a 2012 that had the full rack genuine Honda part for $43. Fit great. The only difference here is the clips he said that it doesn't matter if they break. You need to have 2 survive the removal. I broke a few, but 4 made it, which was more than plenty.