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  • @RatedRookie
    @RatedRookie Год назад +48

    If Chris Sewall keeps compiling videos like this one then he’s a lock Hall of Famer

    • @cortlandlampe1983
      @cortlandlampe1983 Год назад +4

      Two or three more years of great content like this and he's a sure thing, Rated Rookie!

    • @ACD1994
      @ACD1994 Год назад +1

      Chris has a WAR in the 60-70 range..trending upwards for sure!

    • @maximo6037
      @maximo6037 Год назад

      As long is he doesn't just fall of a cliff🤭

    • @gregorymann3431
      @gregorymann3431 Год назад

      I may get into baseball...go to the hall

  • @williambartenslager4134
    @williambartenslager4134 Год назад +6

    I bought 3 Verlander topps chrome rc in 2005 for $50 each, really wish I had bought more.

  • @riverview9320
    @riverview9320 Год назад +11

    Glad you included Votto - considering Reds are on no one's radar at present. The roster has been bolstered for "23, & there is good back-up @ first, so hopefully Votto can make the most of it and put up some numbers to make his case stronger.

    • @kramalerav
      @kramalerav Год назад

      The Reds have been on a tear of late, so they have crept on the radar.

  • @Howard2006
    @Howard2006 Год назад +9

    Good summary but I would say that Yadier Molina is a HOF without the probably. Offensive statistics are not totally relevant to the catching position. As a defensive catcher, he was the best of a generation. He should be a first round selection to HOF and would be if he played in NY.😀

    • @sportsmags
      @sportsmags Год назад +2

      Agreed. He's a lock. When you compare his career totals amongst catchers, he's near the top in almost every category. He also has the highest defensive WAR in MLB history according to Fangraphs.

    • @williambartenslager4134
      @williambartenslager4134 Год назад +1

      Bill Freehan should be in the hall…

  • @willzsportscards
    @willzsportscards Год назад +3

    pretty much agree with this list. I'd have Freddie one tier above and Altuve one tier below. Good stuff!

  • @davidthompson62
    @davidthompson62 Год назад +2

    Catcher’s is the one position where your defensive play can help so-so numbers get you in the Hall of fame. Being a catcher is a grueling condition; Molinas done enough to get him in the Hall.

  • @Time2Rip
    @Time2Rip Год назад +6

    Great Video and Research. It will be interesting to see if the cheating scandal hurts Altuve. Degrom probably needs to get the Koufax treatment to get into the HOF. Yelich and Bellinger are great cases as to why you need to see players for about 10 years before you can even have a serious conversation is they are on track for HOF.

    • @kramalerav
      @kramalerav Год назад

      Altuve will almost certainly get in. The cheat scandal might keep him from being a first or second ballot HOFer, but he will get in nonetheless.

  • @doug6259
    @doug6259 6 месяцев назад +1

    Cole has added a cy young since this video. DeGrom got off to a late start, had a couple of dominant seasons then injuries derailed him which may keep him out. Judge is another who started late and though he is a HR slugger is also prone to injury. I agree with the locks but would probably add Scherzer who is not far off from Verlander in his stats.

  • @evanfraser64
    @evanfraser64 Год назад +3

    Fun video. I try to do this exercise every offseason as well. FYI, Bill James has a HOF tool which is useful to use-its quite simple. Also a few decades ago he said that at any one time there would be about 35 HOF players playing at any one time. Using that estimate and your estimates, there are still about 10 players under 25 WAR who are playing and will make it.

    • @ACD1994
      @ACD1994 Год назад +1

      Potential hall of famers under 25 WAR: Soto, Acuna, Vlad Guerrero Jr, Devers...probably, a few others...Tatis Jr. might have taken himself out already with, the injuries, steroids, etc

  • @Krysdavar
    @Krysdavar Год назад +2

    Great break-down. Yep, like Bryce Harper, who missed a few months last season, and will miss the first half of next season due to Tommy John surgery. He could have had a lot more monstrous stats if it weren't for that.

  • @kellyoneal900
    @kellyoneal900 Год назад +1

    nice one Chris interesting info to ponder buy em early before thay get in thanks again

  • @colemiller8657
    @colemiller8657 Год назад +4

    200 W is the new 300 W for pitchers. Gerrit Cole may not even get to 200, and plenty of guys behind him who are aces right now have virtually no shot. Love HoF season on the channel :)

  • @BobsSportsCards
    @BobsSportsCards Год назад +2

    Terrific video. I think you nailed it in about every aspect. Definitely my favorite type of video you put out. It really reinforces who I buy/collect long term.
    Are you in the states right now? Been missing your High and regular rollers? Thanks for the great video.

    • @collectorinvestordealer
      @collectorinvestordealer  Год назад +3

      Thanks! I am travelling around a bit, basically took December off. But High & Regular rollers will be back in full swing starting in mid January.

  • @Hogfan6494
    @Hogfan6494 Год назад +1

    Love the video but dont agree with Trout. Harper has the closest stats to his and isnt considered a “shoe in” as well? Keep up the great work!

  • @rookiecards4me258
    @rookiecards4me258 Год назад +2

    I think wins for pitchers will change since they don't get the pitching time they used to to hold a win.

    • @ACD1994
      @ACD1994 Год назад +3

      Yep, Also in Degrom's situation- the wins and losses don't really even tell the whole story. He should have a lot more wins; the run support just wasn't there.

  • @chill9462
    @chill9462 Год назад +3

    And to think Zack Greinke almost quit baseball to mow lawns 😂

  • @PushnButtons62
    @PushnButtons62 Год назад +2

    Really cool video. Happy holidays, Chris

  • @josephdill3776
    @josephdill3776 Год назад +3

    Honest question here….the Astros have a handful of players who are semi-HOF candidates (to some degree or another). Does the buzzer/cheating scandal impact them like steroids did to the last generation of players? We’ve already seen what it did to Carlos Beltran….who wasn’t a shoo-in, but had some of the counting stats. NOBODY will touch him with a 10 foot pole. I worry for Altuve especially……buzzer or no, his career statistics, Awards and WS rings speak for themselves. Imo.

    • @collectorinvestordealer
      @collectorinvestordealer  Год назад +1

      Great question. It waits to be seen...

    • @tubenachos
      @tubenachos Год назад +2

      Not many 2B with 3 batting titles and MVP. I think he gets in 💯 if he reaches 3000 hits

    • @josephdill3776
      @josephdill3776 Год назад +1

      @@tubenachos I would hope so man. I honestly think the steroid guys should be in. For many different reasons. If it had been one or two guys cheating ok…..but the entire 1995-2005 era was chalk full of guys that were using some sort of PED. I hope Altuve gets in. I’m not even an Astros fan, but imo it would be one of the top 5 snubs ever (Pete Rose, Shoeless Joe, Barry Bonds, etc)

  • @anonymike8280
    @anonymike8280 8 месяцев назад +1

    Bryce Harper is a lock. If he suffered a career ending injury, he eventually would be put in the Hall of Fame an historic player.

  • @12centcomicsandcards
    @12centcomicsandcards 9 месяцев назад +1

    Arenado is a guarantee in my book

  • @matthoffman6962
    @matthoffman6962 Год назад +2

    Any Astros player that was involved in the cheating scandal should never make the hof.

  • @imamisfit445
    @imamisfit445 Год назад +1

    Questioning Bryce?? Just put altuve in..as long as he wears the buzzer.

  • @tubenachos
    @tubenachos Год назад +1

    Trout is in retiring right now

  • @kennethcava4488
    @kennethcava4488 Год назад +4

    The Hall of Fame is for the very great, not the very good. (at least it should be)

  • @BASEBALLfreakFORlife
    @BASEBALLfreakFORlife Год назад +6

    You have greinke as yes and Scherzer as probable? I would switch those. Scherzer has had a way better career

  • @benjaminmorton4958
    @benjaminmorton4958 Год назад +7

    Regarding Jose Ramirez - he hasn't won the MVP yet, but has been in the top 6 MVP vote 5 times, and the voters do look at that. Consistently being one of the very best in the league will matter. (note: I am a Guardians fan)

  • @reallygraycards7139
    @reallygraycards7139 Год назад +17

    Andrew McCutchen is a really good case study in career history vs. early speculation. At one point he was the, or close to the, best player in the game. And he fell off hard. For the 25-40 WAR folks early in their career you simply can’t correctly project. Be careful speculating folks!

  • @thirtyoneless
    @thirtyoneless Год назад +9

    deGrom's Mets career is the best argument for using Quality Starts (QS) instead of Wins for pitchers. There are too many variables out of the players controls which can end up skewing the stat to where it doesn't represent the individual effort as well.

  • @toddrichardson8595
    @toddrichardson8595 Год назад +8

    I think Scherzer is a Lock for sure. And let's not forget Verlander's 4 No Hitters..

  • @GGBELLAPUFF22
    @GGBELLAPUFF22 Год назад +4

    Turner remains the most underrated player in MLB...Way higher lifetime BA, HIGHER OBP AND SLG PCT AND STEALS 10 X more bases than CORREA ..YET..........

  • @true_rcs
    @true_rcs Год назад +9

    This is a highly informative video thank you! These are the guys I like to collect, I call it Hall of Famer Prospecting.

  • @JoshHallUtah
    @JoshHallUtah Год назад +14

    Love these videos thanks for the research and all your work building this community Chris! Hope you and your family have a Merry Christmas

  • @Gs-kg6ce
    @Gs-kg6ce Год назад +6

    keith hernandez 11 gold gloves and no HOF...

  • @russellsacks3854
    @russellsacks3854 Год назад +3

    Ohtani is too young for the list but if he only gets to 45 WAR I would consider him a lock based on his last 2 years and the fact he is doing something so unusual (like the consideration a catcher gets only about 3X the value). I think in addition to the stats is likeability and that is why guys like Betts would get a boost. Guys that are rude during interviews have to be undeniable locks to get in but guys that are pleasant get a 5 to 10 WAR boost. There is no stat to track how these guys interact with sports reporters but when a guy is especially polite or rude it makes a difference.

  • @garylee190
    @garylee190 Год назад +8

    By and large, I think you are spot on with one exception - I think Scherzer is a lock. Happy Holidays!

  • @samforsyth
    @samforsyth Год назад +3

    This was a really fun video! have you done retired players not in the Hall who might/should be?

  • @Dirtywaterdrinker
    @Dirtywaterdrinker Год назад +4

    Goldschmidt is a HOF lock now after this past season Chris!!!!

    • @ACD1994
      @ACD1994 Год назад +2

      Not necessarily. There are plenty of baseball players with one MVP not in the hall of fame but that, being said, I think Paul G. has, a few more solid seasons, which will continue to strengthen his HOF case.

  • @markpekrul4393
    @markpekrul4393 Год назад +3

    Imagine how many wins some of these pitchers could have if they were allowed to, you know, pitch baseball games.

  • @Kittyapoc
    @Kittyapoc Год назад +3

    I wonder if Bumgardner can get in with the Mazeroski argument, considering he is arguably the greatest postseason pitcher of all time (besides maybe Mariano Rivera, but closer vs starter argument there). Maybe if he can put together another good season or two before he calls it quits, but judging by these last few years I don’t think that’s happening. Ultimately depends on how the HOF voters feel about postseason narrative when he gets put up for nomination.

  • @harrisonwaldman4351
    @harrisonwaldman4351 Год назад +3

    DeGrom should be in the hall of fame for the same reasons that Sandy Koufax is in

  • @iamthepapi6251
    @iamthepapi6251 Год назад +2

    You see in my opinion if you think Madison bumgarner has a chance or Gerrit Cole than Adam wainwright's in!!
    I think you're selling Adam short I think everyone does, I think he does get in!! Stipulations will change they already are, and he's going to have a big year this year for his final year possibly even get the CY Young. I know a lot of people think that might not be possible but look, it's very possible and you know he's going for it he's wanted it forever. He's been going for that award his whole career. Lol.
    I think that's the missing piece however I do think he gets in without CY Young... You got to remember he's finished top three four times for the award.
    He's got some very impressive awards already and he came back from Tommy John surgery and was still good. He's closed out the World series and went from being a closer to a starter and has had two starts in the World series. He's the most successful battery ever with Yadi and has pitched for 20 years with an era of 3.30 and will have over 200 wins.
    You're selling him short I'm telling you the dudes getting in the Hall!! Watch!!
    When 2023 season is set and done people are going to agree too. I'm telling you right now Adam wainwright's going to have a career year he's going to come in is super in shape and healthy and will dominate big time because he knows it's his last year and he has a chance to get in the hall if he has a great last push.
    If he even gets in voting for The Cy Young award he's going to get in!! In 2021 at the All-Star break he was right there. If he would have got better run support through the season he would have the win and loss record and he would have still been in contention.
    Adam is an Ace and we expect him to go seven or eight innings of shutout baseball each time and most of the time he does.
    Upcoming season he has a chip on his shoulder because the postseason started in 2022 and they didn't even give him the ball he never touched the ball. That was a big mistake and it's the reason we lost. When you're in that position and you got a chance and the season starts. Everything starts over and you have an ace like Adam you give him that ball in game 1 and he sets the tone, and he would have if they went with him... Isn't that Cardinal baseball???
    You go with what's been working!! For years, Adam Wainwright has been working!!!
    You wait and see man, you just watch!!!

  • @jimbaker5110
    @jimbaker5110 Год назад +2

    I didn’t watch the video but if it wasn’t mentioned in the video….I would have Rafael Devers as a future HOF candidate for sure. I think Devers, Pete Alonso and Aaron Judge are on their way. Also Mookie Betts.

  • @maximo6037
    @maximo6037 Год назад +2

    I think freeman and Stanton are probably. Molina is a sure thing for his defense alone (average hitter/great defensively at a very demanding position). Scherzer probably too with 3 cy Youngs and 1 ws.

  • @TaserCake
    @TaserCake Год назад +2

    Two more longshots: JT Realmuto and George Springer. Unlikely but 4-5 more all-star caliber seasons would get them close.

  • @slangnrox7473
    @slangnrox7473 Год назад +3

    War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing. ;)

  • @jaxkasedad4953
    @jaxkasedad4953 Год назад +4

    Wainwright really should have a couple CY awards. Lincecum wasn’t on the list and won’t make it but won the CY in a couple of Wainwright’s best years.

    • @kramalerav
      @kramalerav Год назад

      The video was detailing ACTIVE players. The Freak has been retired for seven years now.

  • @slipnslide15
    @slipnslide15 Год назад +7

    Love these types of videos Chris! I know you did it in the past, but I'd love to hear your input on who is undervalued based on their career trajectory. Arenado and Machado were on your previous list but I'd love to hear an updated take. Thanks!

  • @tinieblashistoriasdeterror4963
    @tinieblashistoriasdeterror4963 Год назад +4

    Very nice video, loved it! I do think and feel that Max Scherzer is a lock for Cooprstown just based on numbers. I'll say the same about Yadier Molina too as a defensive catcher, one of the best ever. I just don't feel that Aaron Judge should in the same category of Scherzer and Molina, just like you mentioned his career numbers are a little low and he is on his thirties now. Jacob's deGrom case is very interesting, but very low win totals, but I've been thinking what if he wins a third cy young award? It saddens me to see how Madison Bumgarner it's not the same pitcher he was, I thought he was going to be a hall of famer, but yeah, like you said I don't think he's there anymore. I think that Joey Votto has more chances of making the hall of fame than Aaron Judge.

    • @hectorc1663
      @hectorc1663 Год назад +1

      I agree. I would easily swap Judge and Votto on his list.

  • @connorjohnson3159
    @connorjohnson3159 Год назад +2

    I think Nolan Arenado is a lock. 10 gold gloves and 6 platinum gloves is extremely good along with 50+ war

  • @jeremybolchoz4158
    @jeremybolchoz4158 Год назад +6

    Really liked this video. I choose who I collect partly basses on their hof chances. Machado, arenado, Harper I’m heavily invested in but also Jose Ramirez. Jram is a really solid and consistent player. Top 5 mvp voting past 5 years maybe more and love the fact he signed a long term deal to stay in Cleveland. If he continues doing what he’s been I think it b hard to keep him out the hall

  • @buschleaguers75
    @buschleaguers75 Год назад +2

    war is a good gauge but its not fool proof. That is evident with Cole. His numbers are great and as long as he finishes strong he will make the hall. Even with a lower war.

  • @wackerly
    @wackerly Год назад +6

    Great video, Chris! As usual it's chock full of data and useful insights. Why no mention of how the Astros cheating scandal might impact Hall of Fame voting for Bregman, Altuve, and the other Astros on this list?

    • @collectorinvestordealer
      @collectorinvestordealer  Год назад +3

      Good point. It very well could. And we'll get an initial sense next month when we see how Carlos Beltran's voting goes.

  • @robhill8197
    @robhill8197 Год назад +3

    62.7WAR 10 Straight Gold Gloves, 5 All Star Games, 434 Career Home Runs. Andruw Jones. Many of the times this video where you said you can't think of a player with X gold gloves or X number of home runs for consideration, Jones meets them all and if you compare Molina with Jones, Jones should get in before him.

    • @nutmegriot209
      @nutmegriot209 Год назад

      surprised Jones isn't in yet. Kaat, Ortiz, Oliva, Mcgriff, & Rolen all got in recently, so i think he will too. good call

  • @mikeg551
    @mikeg551 Год назад +4

    But wasnt it proven that Altuve cheated in the first world series win by the astros? IMO thats worse then gambling or steroids. Won't that prevent him from getting in?

  • @ryanbrown7495
    @ryanbrown7495 Год назад +2

    Hi, I have 19 unopened boxes, 1 box was opened but packs remained sealed of 1988 Donruss cards. I also have a few individual unopen boxes. Please let me know if you would be interested.

  • @jacobw8849
    @jacobw8849 Год назад +4

    Steve Garvey has 10 all star appearances and 4 gold gloves but no HOF.

    • @johnwayne9828
      @johnwayne9828 Год назад +1

      Didnt have 3000 hits or 500 home runs. Also wasnt liked by his teammates.

    • @williambartenslager4134
      @williambartenslager4134 Год назад +4

      Garvey is a 70s icon who belongs in the HOF

    • @johnwayne9828
      @johnwayne9828 Год назад +1

      @@williambartenslager4134 Garveys fame came more for his mr. Perfect persona. When it came out that he had numerous affairs and was not as clean cut as he presented, that hurt his already slim case.

  • @scratchthrift3370
    @scratchthrift3370 Год назад +4

    I wonder how much narratives will change over time. Ex: Wins. Recent times show that voters value underlying stats and dominance. Degrom is a great example. If he can even stay healthy 2 more seasons I would say he’s a lock
    I think Freddie Freeman is in really good shape too. 2-3 more good seasons and he is in for sure.

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    @mackymintle7806 Год назад +4

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  • @SilverBull30
    @SilverBull30 Год назад +1

    BREGMAN.... lol hes good but I dont think he will be a hof..not saying he didnt deserve to be a honorable mention but you should of let him get a couple more seasons under his belt. Thanks B.C.C.I.D

  • @gusclaimer21
    @gusclaimer21 Год назад +1

    Freeman is entering the “probably” column for me…I would add to the YES column Scherzer (part of the exclusive 3000 K’s club, only 19 of them…and add 2 no hitters to his resume) and Yadier (2,000 career hits as a catcher is among the best and his defensive skills were phenomenal, and a great leader/champion)…other than that, great video

  • @patrickhogue8790
    @patrickhogue8790 Год назад +1

    Responding with a week left in the 2023 season. I think Betts moved into the lock category this year and Freeman close. Yes, Dodgers fan here. Also Cole is having a Cy Young caliber season in NY which should help his chances. Also, you mentioned under Cabrera that nobody with 4 batting titles isn't in the Hall. I know of one, Bill Madlock.
    Good video!

  • @aw.8.
    @aw.8. Год назад +2

    I always felt like 3000 K’s should be the benchmark for starting pitchers, too many variables go into Wins/Losses and the bar for what is considered a “good” ERA is kinda dependent on the era the player pitched in.

  • @jayfarrell2959
    @jayfarrell2959 Год назад +1

    My opinion , is your pretty much on it but one thing is HOF committee and you has to put in the pitchers category equation that prior 2011 CG leaders had 6-10 CG PRIOR 2000 WAS 10-15 CG . These prima donnas agents not wanting their meal ticket hurt are forcing managers to pull pitchers after 6 innings to put two set up relievers, then a closer. You know how many games change hands after the 6 the inning therefore even if a pitchers team is winning 2-1 gives up the lead in the 7th 2-3 and regains and wins the game 4-3 . Those mid relievers mop up the win and the last time a mid reliever made the HOF was never. To make the HOF as a pitcher you keeping saying 200 wins you better come down 50 to 60 wins. It sucks as a picture because you can have the most killer era but your team sucks at hitting so you don't get the wins for your era could be low two's but your team doesn't score example NOLAN Ryan , you know what his record would have been if he had teams that could hit behind him. My point is a as position players you get in because of your average your home runs your your RBIs nothing or nobody can hold you back from that but as a picture you got to rely on your team to hit a managers and agents aren't going for that s*** anymore and they're pulling him out in the sixth inning so who losing a lot of wiins my opinion not yours but you better come down on that 200

  • @davearnold748
    @davearnold748 Год назад +1

    Bonds, Cabrera, Puhols, Kershaw, and Verlander shouldl be in. Before any of the others should be chosen, we should elect those who have already been snubbed, like Dave Parker, Al Oliver, and Vada Pinson. The committee also needs to review a new set of statistics to qualify future Hall of Famers. Players today make so much money that they can afford to retire early no matter how good or bad they play. Albert Belle had more home runs over 5-6 seasons than any other player in history. He's not in for that and a number of other reasons, but short stints of statistics should not qualify unless due to death. Let's keep this hallow hall full of players who played the game for the sport, not for just the money !!

  • @birdsonthebat9452
    @birdsonthebat9452 Год назад +1

    Great video! A few notes though.
    Regarding the Cabrera segment -
    Tip O'Neill won a triple crown and isn't in the hall of fame.
    Bill Madlock won 4 batting titles and isn't in the hall of fame.
    Regarding the Molina segment -
    Molina's 2000+ hits puts him 5th all time for a catcher, and one of only 10 to reach the plateau. His 1000 RBIs is also significant, and his 408 doubles is 4th all time among catchers. His hard stats are absolutely HOF level, in the context of him being a catcher.

  • @drewwilliams1152
    @drewwilliams1152 Год назад +1

    How is Scherzer not a lock for you? 3 Cy Youngs, 3000 Ks, 200 wins, 20 K game, 2 no hitters, 8x all star, 9 seasons of 200-300 Ks and led the league in wins 4 times. He’s a lock.

  • @krisroberts6615
    @krisroberts6615 Месяц назад +1

    Is a 1year update too soon? Just a brief, this player has helped or hurt their case from my final list.

  • @Brian-pf7qq
    @Brian-pf7qq Год назад +1

    I think I heard you right when you said nobody that has four batting titles isn't in the hof. Bill Madlock won four batting titles and isn't in the hof. Also I think Pete Alonzo looks like he has a good shot. He looks like a lock for 500 home runs unless something happens.

  • @burleycardboard
    @burleycardboard Год назад +3

    This was really well done! Very impressive! Great info. The player I was most surprised by was deGrom. He’s the best pitcher in the game when healthy right now, but I was shocked by his lack of wins. I honestly wonder what we’ll see wins-wise from future HOFers, with the way managers baby SPs in today’s game. In fantasy baseball last year, I felt like it was tough getting a pitcher to pitch 5 innings to qualify for a win. If that keeps up, I would assume we’ll see career wins for HOF pitchers fall off a cliff.

  • @kobabim9903
    @kobabim9903 Год назад +1

    Great videos but I disagree starting pitchers need 200 wins. Nowadays, wins are not stats, it's a trophy. It's like being in a WS team is great, but that alone doesn't make him great.

  • @alnewyorkcity6752
    @alnewyorkcity6752 Год назад +5

    Happy Holidays, Chris and all collectors ! Be safe !

  • @BillBondsHasAPosse
    @BillBondsHasAPosse Год назад +1

    If you have 10 ASG appearances and 9 golden glove and 2 WS titles. Molina should be a no brainer -vote him in !

  • @justinszabo5205
    @justinszabo5205 Год назад +2

    worth mentioning bball reference war doesnt give correct WAR for defensive catchers.

  • @jude999
    @jude999 Год назад +2

    Fred McGriff not a HOF career. Mattingly, Hernandez, and Garvey should be in. WAR is a meaningless stat.

    • @ACD1994
      @ACD1994 Год назад +2

      7 home runs from 500 with no steroids...

    • @KryMoore
      @KryMoore Год назад +2

      Casual.

  • @longislandcards_lic9269
    @longislandcards_lic9269 Год назад +2

    i think you are over valuing how wins wil be considered in the future. I also think you are underestimating postseason/ career narratives. But overall a really great video

  • @luke1jones
    @luke1jones Год назад +1

    Wins don't seem to matter at all anymore. It's a rejected stat in modern analytics. Whether we like it or not, it simply isn't a factor anymore. So all those starters with 70+ WAR with low win totals are locks.

  • @Chase-tr9ry
    @Chase-tr9ry Год назад +1

    Freeman only 50/50? One of the top 5 bats in the past 10 years. I would say 90/10.

  • @CreativeName9001
    @CreativeName9001 Год назад +1

    Arenado is a no-brainer buy. Ive been picking up a few RCs here recently, theyre still pretty cheap raw

  • @navi2102
    @navi2102 Год назад +2

    Good presentation! I pretty much agree with your categorization of the players, but I would move Scherzer to Yes and Freeman to Probably.

  • @chiwhitesox7
    @chiwhitesox7 Год назад +2

    I love the analysis. I think looking at the cumulating numbers and comparing them to guys 100 years ago isn't fair. Pitchers just don't get as many wins in the past and the win for pitcher is less and less looked at to determine how good a pitcher is (and rightly so).
    No way Correa, Altuve and Bregman get in for the cheating, just as PED guys aren't getting in for their cheating. Votto is a lock, one of it not the best hitter of his generation.

  • @thekeithy4999
    @thekeithy4999 Год назад +4

    Scherzer is a 1st ballot if he never pitched another game. I know everybody is in love with Trout, but he's not a 1st ballot if he doesn't play another game. Agree with most of this though, great video!

    • @arynnelson371
      @arynnelson371 Год назад +3

      Trout already has 3 mvps and 4 mvp runner ups. His numbers alone will 100% get him in. Even if he retired today. But he’s still got a few good years left

    • @thekeithy4999
      @thekeithy4999 Год назад +2

      I agree he'll get in. You think he's a first ballot if he retired today?

    • @johnwayne9828
      @johnwayne9828 Год назад +3

      Strongly disagree. Trout would be first ballot if he retired today.

    • @frankchuang6390
      @frankchuang6390 Год назад +2

      In my book, to be truly considered great among the the pantheon of greats, one has to have had at least played in a WS or have won it once. The more, the merrier, but that is the true definition of an individual playing in a team sport.

    • @johnwayne9828
      @johnwayne9828 Год назад +1

      @@frankchuang6390 would you include Madison Bumgarner in your hall of fame?

  • @billthehofcollector4525
    @billthehofcollector4525 Год назад +1

    Swap freeman and judge on your XLS - and bump up degrom and Molina 1 category and you’re in good shape

  • @CapAnson12345
    @CapAnson12345 Год назад +1

    17:00 Looking up players with 5 Gold gloves and 5 All star games not in the hall (More than I thought):
    Yadier Molina (Active) 9 GG, 10 AS
    Don Mattingly 9 GG, 6 AS
    Bill Freehan 6 GG, 10 AS
    Mike Mussina 7 GG, 5 AS
    Salvador Perez (Active) 5 GG, 7 AS (Also in video)
    Keith Hernandez 11 GG, 5 AS
    Vic Power 7 GG, 6 AS (Really just 4. I don't count the double years).
    Bill White 7 GG, 8 AS (5 All star years)
    Frank White 8 GG, 5 AS
    Bobby Richardson 5 GG, 8 AS (7 years)
    Nolan Arenado (Active) 10 GG, 7 AS (Also in video)
    Scott Rolen 8 GG, 7 AS
    Buddy Bell 6 GG, 5 AS
    Ken Boyer 5 GG, 11 AS (7 years)
    Dave Concepcion 5 GG, 9 AS
    Andruw Jones 10 GG, 5 AS
    Ichiro Suzuki 10 GG, 10 AS
    Torii Hunter 9 GG, 5 AS
    Barry Bonds 8 GG, 14 AS
    Mookie Betts (Active) 6 GG, 6 AS (Also in video)
    Dale Murphy 5 GG, 7 AS
    So other than Ichiro, who obviously is going in first ballot Molina is in fact the only player with nine of both not in the hall. Interestingly Ichiro had all ten gold gloves and all ten all stars in his first ten years. The other thing I noticed is other than Suzuki and Bonds, who are both not in (yet) for specific reasons, this list is almost a who's who of borderline HOF players.

  • @billyv604
    @billyv604 Год назад +5

    What a great show Chris.. one of my all time favorite videos of yours! thank you for your time and service ❤

  • @matthewelliott2213
    @matthewelliott2213 Год назад +3

    *spends Christmas holiday break searching common boxes for Chris' HOF predictions*

  • @SconnerStudios
    @SconnerStudios Год назад +1

    First ballot: Kershaw, Verlander, Altuve, Trout, Grienke, Betts, Freeman, Scherzer, DeGrom (if he can pitch a few more seasons), Cabrera, Bigfoot, Harper
    Probably: Bogaerts, Devers, Ohtani, Guererro, Alonso, Uncle Larry, Votto, Goldschmidt, Arenado, Judge, Jose Ramierez, Correa
    Maybe: Sale, Machado (unfortunately), Kirk, Longoria, Donaldson, Rizzo, Bryant, Trea Turner, Kluber, Madbum, Springer, Kluber, Darvish
    I have a rule for all Probably's and some of the first ballots: No beating your wife, no touching little kids, and no running a large-scale drug empire a la Walter White for 5 to 10 years after you retire. Unfortunately, some seem to not follow this rule (Omar Vizquel) and ruin their chances that way.

    • @SconnerStudios
      @SconnerStudios Год назад +1

      Oh forgot relivers: Kimbrel and Jansen are locks, Chapman might get in, or at least he'll stay on the ballot for several years. No other relievers have enough stats to say yes or no yet. Maybe Hader if he pitches for a long time:

  • @YRFKDM8
    @YRFKDM8 Год назад +1

    I think Abreu should get awarded his pre mlb statistics just like Ichiro did.

  • @patrickmoreau7592
    @patrickmoreau7592 Год назад +1

    I like your research on this
    PED’s will play a part in more than a couple of players.

  • @sammyhill93
    @sammyhill93 Год назад +4

    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family, Chris! Great breakdown as always. As a Cleveland fan, I’m happy to see Lindor and Ramírez in the 50/50 list. But I’m still bummed they couldn’t bring home the most important hardware whilst playing together. They did however, provide great baseball for 6 years together though- 3 division titles, 4 playoff berths, an AL pennant in 2016 and a 22-game winning streak in 2017 (AL record).

    • @thoel_905
      @thoel_905 Год назад +1

      Go cleveland...!!!!@!

  • @lucario6645
    @lucario6645 Год назад +5

    I’ve been investing in Correa, but the thing that really scares me about him and Altuve regarding HOF voting is how the voters will like their part in the cheating scandal.

    • @scratchthrift3370
      @scratchthrift3370 Год назад +2

      I had the same thought. Altuve is on great pace and his cards are pretty cheap but I don’t know if he will get in because of that

    • @jeremybolchoz4158
      @jeremybolchoz4158 Год назад +1

      I pc both and honestly think if they continue to put up #’s they won’t b kept out the hall. I think that’s more an asterisk on the Astros organization more so then the players

    • @frankchuang6390
      @frankchuang6390 Год назад +3

      With the news that just broke on Correa's physical with the Mets, I'd be very cautious on Correa. He might be ok the first half of his contract, but may be very damaged goods after that.

  • @billgober2
    @billgober2 Год назад +1

    I'll be shocked if Ohtani all of a sudden falls off or doesn't become one of the best career stats players of all time

  • @kriskueker7548
    @kriskueker7548 Год назад +7

    One thing I like to add is World Series appearances and playoff appearances. In my mind it helps the player-guys like Buster Posey and Madison Bumgarner get an extra boost on their peers with similar statistics but less rings/playoff appearances. I know it’s a team sport but it does elevate the stature of players that have seen a ton of postseason time.

    • @johnwayne9828
      @johnwayne9828 Год назад +7

      Bumgarner's a guy that if it was up to me, he'd be a hall of famer just for the postseason legend hes built. Unfortunately I dont think the writers will feel the same way. Probably wont even sniff 200 wins. I think posey will get in though. Hard to pass up the best catcher for a decade with a roy, mvp, batting title, multiple gold gloves and silver sluggers, plus 3 rings. Was a short career by hall standards but he accomplished alot in that span.

    • @steve5976
      @steve5976 Год назад +3

      Posey is a lock ,,,,I completely agree there is a weight for postseason in any sport , the final 4 in any sport is tough to get thru, different the other 28 teams below during regular season . I don’t know about bumgarner , I would say he’s in if he can not get rocked from this point forward like it seems he has last few years

    • @johnwayne9828
      @johnwayne9828 Год назад +2

      @@steve5976 hes gotta get out of arizona. If he can luck up to get traded to a team that rejuvenates older pitchers(like houston), he has a chance. Would be a big boost if he could find his way on another world series team too.

    • @rentslave
      @rentslave Год назад +1

      @@johnwayne9828 Bumgarner,not Reggie Jackson,is the real Mr.October.

    • @iamthepapi6251
      @iamthepapi6251 Год назад

      Look if guys like bumgarner and posie get it in than Adam wainwright's A sure first ballot!!!
      People are really forgetting Wainwright's career man I think he gets in for sure!!
      We're talkin 2006 clothes out of the World series. He was a great closer and turned into a starter and was in CY Young award voting top three, four separate times. He's been good enough to win that award.
      Not to mention he's the best battery in the history of the game and always will be alongside yadi. Along with 200 plus wins and an era of 3.3
      Dude had Tommy John surgery and came back just fine.
      I know there's plenty of awards in there too, he was also a great hitting pitcher he has Homeruns.
      This is a good pitcher that was around for 20 years and holds a record that nobody will ever touch.
      This guy's already in the Hall of Fame no matter what happens in 23'
      Bet your ass on it

  • @ryanhoffmann9341
    @ryanhoffmann9341 Год назад +1

    What Impact will the cheating scandal have on Bregman and Altuve?

  • @chadtellevik5479
    @chadtellevik5479 Год назад +4

    Excellent share. Merry Christmas everyone.

  • @charliereczek9690
    @charliereczek9690 Год назад +2

    How the heck is Gary scheffield not in the HOF?

  • @JustinKircherjK
    @JustinKircherjK Год назад +2

    A tip of the cap to the Research Dept! I was going to ask if this video was going to be update from last year. Thank you!

  • @rgmiller
    @rgmiller Год назад +3

    these videos are incredibly helpful - thanks for your insight! Happy holidays!!!

  • @jimsmith4593
    @jimsmith4593 Год назад +1

    Bill Madlock won 4 batting titles and he is not in the Hall of Fame.

  • @robertanderson2898
    @robertanderson2898 Год назад +5

    Trout, Verlander, and Kershaw for sure. Miguel Cabrera most definitely. Altuve has a good shot at 3000 Hits, plus he's still fairly young, he's a great choice. Arenado keeps stacking up the Gold Gloves, that guy is impressive, we'll see how he keeps going. Greinke and Goldschmidt great picks too. DeGrom might be in a pickle, age 34 and 82 Wins like you showed, Kershaw is 34 and has 197 Wins, and one more Cy Young. We'll see. I think Yadier Molina DOES have a good shot. Those numbers are excellent for a catcher, plus the All-Star and Gold Gloves, maybe that career Runs total will be lucky enough to get him inducted......

    • @christopherj3121
      @christopherj3121 Год назад +1

      Yadi is a first ballot inductee. It isn’t even a question.

    • @spic0li
      @spic0li Год назад +3

      & Pujols in the for sure category

    • @Bucker67
      @Bucker67 Год назад +1

      and Cabrera. He’s in.

    • @robertanderson2898
      @robertanderson2898 Год назад +1

      @@spic0li Oh yeah, but he's not active anymore.

  • @jamesrobinson3349
    @jamesrobinson3349 Год назад +2

    Hey Chris it would also be interesting if you put together a video for hall of candidates that are retired but aren't eligible for a couple years and did an analysis: Joe Mauer, Ichiro, Adrian Beltre, Buster Posey, etc.
    God bless you man and Jesus loves you