Sad Andrew McCutchen didn't even get a mention. Truly a guy who plays the game the right way. His peak was incredible and he has longevity. Though I guess I get it. In 16 years his counting stats aren't really there.
Cole has the single season strikeout record for 2 teams, including one that Nolan Ryan played on for about a decade. That's pretty impressive. Especially given the disparity in innings pitched today versus past decades.
Now, scouts expect a high school pitcher to throw a 95 mph fastball and upper 80's off spead pitches. If they don't have a high vel fastball, they will be encouraged to add 2-3 mph more via training.
Jose Altuve? You know he's 34 now with just 2127 hits, right? Right now he's Michael Young with fewer 200 hit seasons. No way he gets to 3,000 hits. 2600 maybe.
@@crawjo WAR is a stupid stat. When Bobby Grich and Derek Jeter have basically the same WAR, that can't be counted on for anything. Michael Young had 6 200-hit seasons. Altuve has 4 and will not have another. Young ended up with a .300 batting average. Right now Altuve's is .307, and he'll likely fall closer to Young as he wraps up his career in the next few years. Unless he starts cheating with PEDs, he will likely fall off a cliff after he turns 35. His final stats are likely to be remarkably similar to Michael Young's. Altuve had 5 great seasons in a row. He has been very average on either side of those 5 seasons. I would argue that Michael Young was a great player for 9 straight seasons. Michael Young is one of those players who should be just outside the Hall of Fame looking in, and Altuve will be the same.
Baseball today is nothing like what it was even 20 years ago.There is too much emphasis on pitching velocity and spin rates and too much emphasis on home runs. It's gotten so bad that many exciting HOF players might not even be drafted today.
It's going to be tough for deGrom which is super sad. If he finished 2021 it's a 3rd Cy Young and possibly the best pitched season ever. That was Guranteed HOF. Getting hurt that season may have cost him. He's the most dominant pitcher I've seen in 37 years
@@GeraldM_inNC Yeah in 2021 there was a handful of starts where he wasn't pushed because of nagging arm issues. 2015 thru 2020 he averaged more than 5 innings most of his starts. You can argue all you want but the guy is unbelievable when he's healthy. And he throws basically 2 pitches. It's impressive
btw, acuna does not have a ring. while he was granted one ceremonially, he was not on the postseason roster and thus does not have a championship which does hurt his chances a bit in the HOF. he shooooould still get in but that'll hurt.
Let’s not forget Seager is one of only 4 players with multiple WS MVPs. Adjust his counting stats to the 1300 games Lindor has played, and Seager beats him in every single metric besides stolen bases, and already dominates him in each of the average statistics. Seager has a WPA 6 points higher than Lindor, and dominates the comparison of playoff metrics. Lindor is definitely better defensively and I know injuries have riddled him, but if Lindor is a lock, then Seager should be too due to his ridiculous value when he is healthy. He has accomplished more than most in the Hall, and likely still has quite a bit left in front of him.
I know WAR isn’t the best metric, but with Bobby Witt jr being third right now and up there with Aaron judge and Juan Soto is crazy. You should also play close attention to Vinnie Pasquantino and Maikel Garcia. Garcia has made some of the best plays at third base I’ve seen while Pasquantino looks like your prototype good hitting first baseman. All the royals need is a great closer and an “X factor” outfield hitter makes this team set for many years as long as they keep it together
bruh no good catchers in the past 10 years besides JT and Salvador? Molina legit had the best defense ive seen in my life and hit good for about 5 years
In the past 10 years Molina more or less just existed for a lot of the end of his career. Was just a good leader and average to below average player. Posey was also old. Both those guys primes were beyond 10 years ago by now (Ik crazy to say how long ago it was). But I think that’s more what he meant.
The thing with Posey and Molina is that both those guys are now retired, he is just looking at guys that are still active in the league and aren’t yet retired, and if you come with the “oh, but he mentioned Zack Greinke and Joey Votto even though neither of them will play in MLB again”, neither of them are technically retired yet because they haven’t said so, one is a free agent and one is signed to a minor league deal, while Posey and Molina have both formally announced their retirements a few years ago but not so long ago to where they are eligible to be inducted.
Andrew McCutchen is making the hall of fame. Right on the border of it in terms is playing, but what he meant to the entire league as a figure of the game gets him in, he was also the guy that turned Pittsburgh back into a baseball city. He’s 85% in
I love McCutchen, but he's not making the Hall of Fame. He doesn't have 50 WAR yet and looks unlikely to get much past it. To me his career ended up similarly to Torii Hunter, with McCutchen having the better peak but Hunter maintaining his value longer. Really in most cases you have to get to 60 WAR to have a real argument for the Hall of Fame.
Aaron Judge is not a HOF if he retired today obviously. He doesn't even have 1000 career hits. However, if he keeps putting up great numbers for at least 5 or 6 more seasons he's definitely in.
Oniel Cruz is too young and Xander has been only an above average short stop no where close to the best. Same for bichette plus his age. Rizzo Is also pretty mid
Rizzo is pretty clearly on the downward trajectory of his career and he is still struggling to get over 40 WAR. There was a time where he looked like he could track similarly to Eddie Murray, but it just didn't work out that way.
Yeah, that was wrong. Harper is not automatically in. You have to look at it as if they never play another game. If Harper never plays another game, he's got less of an argument to be in the Hall of Fame than someone like Dale Murphy. To me, the only players who are in *right now* are Trout, Verlander, Kershaw, Scherzer, Greinke, Betts, Votto, and Goldschmidt. Freeman is very close but not quite there yet. Arenado and Altuve are not there yet. One player who is missing from this video is Yu Darvish. If you consider his time in Japan, he'd already be over 50 WAR by now.
If Salvador Perez gets to 300 HR’s something only 7 other C’s have ever done in the history of the game he needs to be a lock otherwise what are we talking about lol
@@Claygoods so do I. He had pitched like 23 innings in mlb before it. So I could see him fairing better with voters because of that and become the first to make hof despite a PED suspension. What most will argue though is although he was suspended 80 games, the use of PEDs will enhance you for years even so. Imagine if over the past 5 years he was just a bit less as good. If he has like another 10-15 years of dominance and has 500+ saves I could maybe see it happening then
Well considering every person in the 500 hr club is in the Hall of Fame (or 10000% would be if they didn’t do steroids) I can say with certain, Giancarlo Stanton will be in the HoF if he can make it to 500… which I wouldn’t bet on… but if he DOES…
I get hate for saying it, but I'll say it anyway: Stanton's mind-boggling stats came during the steroid era and his chronic physical problems in recent years are classic symptoms of years of steroid abuse.
@@GeraldM_inNC Definitely after the steroid area… He was a rookie when they really started cracking down on it… But I agree with you, especially considering he was jacked as a rookie, now can’t play 5 games without getting hurt.
Sorry, but that was the 1920s and 1930s. It's much harder to get into the HOF now. People who think it is easier haven't actually studied baseball history at all.
What is this guy smoking? A lot of maybes and what ifs. 75% of the hitters he mentioned won't have stats as good as Jeff Kent, who is still not in the HOF.
Man, you have to many in there that have NO CHANCE. Correa, no chance. Marcus Semien, no chance. Christian Yelich, no chance. Yelich is 32 and has 199 HRs with only two great seasons ever. So many others too that you are way too optimistic about. MLB players who don't cheat start to go down hill after age 34. Christian Yelich isn't going to suddenly have some great seasons again. Paul Goldschmidt is another one that you are too high on. He may not end up with as many HRs as Jim Edmonds, and Edmonds was a better fielder, and he's not in the Hall of Fame. Aranado is great and may get in based on his glove...and the fact that Scott Rolen is in, but he's not going to come anywhere close to 500 home runs. His power numbers have gone down three years in a row, and this year it's even worse. He has 6 HRs though 62 games. Anyway, geesh.
Lindor HELL NO!!!. Votto and Goldschmidt no. Trout? Let's see if he ever has another healthy season, as his body is made of Silly Putty. Remember Don Mattingly didn't make it because his back blew out. Freeman: Absolutely! Realmuto: No question. DeGrom, Snell, Vlad -- hell no. Bobby Witt jumps out as the best of those who are very early in their career.
Trout could retire today and make it easily. Sucks injuries have hampered this part of his career but prime Trout was one of the best baseball players ever.
@twisterduck1944 The question was whether his prime was long enough. Compare Tony Oliva, who was consistently one of the 3 best right fielders in baseball until his knee blew out. He had to wait for the Veterans Committee to let him in the back door. Was Trout pre-injuries significantly better than Oliva pre-injuries? I don't think so. If you're too young to remember Oliva, the guy was awesome .
Darvish brings up an interesting question, should HOF voters consider pre-MLB success? Say a player who plays 10 years in Japan or Cuba and also 10 years in MLB. I doubt such consideration necessarily gets Darvish or Jose Abreau in, but one day there will be a more compelling case. Some advocate for Lefty O'Doull to make the HOF based on a combination of his MLB and PCL stats.
I feel like other guys who could have a shot would be Bo Bichette, Michael Harris, George Springer, Kevin Gausman, Zac Gallen, Pablo Lopez, CJ Abrams, Anthony Rizzo, etc
@@TheoBresnahan-vk4wp I mean that’s fair ig, but if you include Elly then you have to include CJ, and also Micheal Harris had a 133 OPS+ with gold glove level defence in centre field as a rookie, that’s pretty great lol
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Sad Andrew McCutchen didn't even get a mention. Truly a guy who plays the game the right way. His peak was incredible and he has longevity. Though I guess I get it. In 16 years his counting stats aren't really there.
Harper is a clear HOFer, I’d argue that it’s the same with Soto too!
I wanna see a video of the best player from every decade
Cole has the single season strikeout record for 2 teams, including one that Nolan Ryan played on for about a decade. That's pretty impressive. Especially given the disparity in innings pitched today versus past decades.
This was a great video presentation and the way you explained and rationalized the player stats was enjoyable and convincing.
Did I just watch a video on future HOF possibles that left off Fernando Tatis Jr. or was I not paying attention?
Houston Gerrit Cole and New York Gerrit Cole look SOO different
Now, scouts expect a high school pitcher to throw a 95 mph fastball and upper 80's off spead pitches. If they don't have a high vel fastball, they will be encouraged to add 2-3 mph more via training.
Jose Altuve? You know he's 34 now with just 2127 hits, right? Right now he's Michael Young with fewer 200 hit seasons. No way he gets to 3,000 hits. 2600 maybe.
Bad comparison. Altuve has an MVP and over 50 WAR. Young doesn't even have 35 WAR.
@@crawjo WAR is a stupid stat. When Bobby Grich and Derek Jeter have basically the same WAR, that can't be counted on for anything. Michael Young had 6 200-hit seasons. Altuve has 4 and will not have another. Young ended up with a .300 batting average. Right now Altuve's is .307, and he'll likely fall closer to Young as he wraps up his career in the next few years. Unless he starts cheating with PEDs, he will likely fall off a cliff after he turns 35. His final stats are likely to be remarkably similar to Michael Young's. Altuve had 5 great seasons in a row. He has been very average on either side of those 5 seasons. I would argue that Michael Young was a great player for 9 straight seasons. Michael Young is one of those players who should be just outside the Hall of Fame looking in, and Altuve will be the same.
Baseball today is nothing like what it was even 20 years ago.There is too much emphasis on pitching velocity and spin rates and too much emphasis on home runs. It's gotten so bad that many exciting HOF players might not even be drafted today.
Idk if i missed it, but were Freeman and Goldschmidt mentioned??
Briefly, as "probably".
It's going to be tough for deGrom which is super sad. If he finished 2021 it's a 3rd Cy Young and possibly the best pitched season ever. That was Guranteed HOF. Getting hurt that season may have cost him. He's the most dominant pitcher I've seen in 37 years
5 inning pitcher when healthy, and rarely healthy.
@@GeraldM_inNC Yeah in 2021 there was a handful of starts where he wasn't pushed because of nagging arm issues. 2015 thru 2020 he averaged more than 5 innings most of his starts. You can argue all you want but the guy is unbelievable when he's healthy. And he throws basically 2 pitches. It's impressive
btw, acuna does not have a ring. while he was granted one ceremonially, he was not on the postseason roster and thus does not have a championship which does hurt his chances a bit in the HOF. he shooooould still get in but that'll hurt.
Yea, he keeps getting hurt in one way or another, definitely gonna hurt his chances but he's still an amazing player
Let’s not forget Seager is one of only 4 players with multiple WS MVPs. Adjust his counting stats to the 1300 games Lindor has played, and Seager beats him in every single metric besides stolen bases, and already dominates him in each of the average statistics. Seager has a WPA 6 points higher than Lindor, and dominates the comparison of playoff metrics. Lindor is definitely better defensively and I know injuries have riddled him, but if Lindor is a lock, then Seager should be too due to his ridiculous value when he is healthy. He has accomplished more than most in the Hall, and likely still has quite a bit left in front of him.
I know WAR isn’t the best metric, but with Bobby Witt jr being third right now and up there with Aaron judge and Juan Soto is crazy. You should also play close attention to Vinnie Pasquantino and Maikel Garcia. Garcia has made some of the best plays at third base I’ve seen while Pasquantino looks like your prototype good hitting first baseman. All the royals need is a great closer and an “X factor” outfield hitter makes this team set for many years as long as they keep it together
bruh no good catchers in the past 10 years besides JT and Salvador? Molina legit had the best defense ive seen in my life and hit good for about 5 years
Buster Posey punching air in a corner
In the past 10 years Molina more or less just existed for a lot of the end of his career. Was just a good leader and average to below average player. Posey was also old. Both those guys primes were beyond 10 years ago by now (Ik crazy to say how long ago it was). But I think that’s more what he meant.
The thing with Posey and Molina is that both those guys are now retired, he is just looking at guys that are still active in the league and aren’t yet retired, and if you come with the “oh, but he mentioned Zack Greinke and Joey Votto even though neither of them will play in MLB again”, neither of them are technically retired yet because they haven’t said so, one is a free agent and one is signed to a minor league deal, while Posey and Molina have both formally announced their retirements a few years ago but not so long ago to where they are eligible to be inducted.
He never said there were zero good catchers outside of those two. He also literally lists will smith like two minutes later.
I think Salvador Perez gets in even if it takes a few tries. You cannot deny his accomplishments
I think all these players should be in and they definitely need to lighten up on who they let in
putting Holliday over Skenes and Merrill 🤯
If Lindor plays the way he did in Cleveland yes he'd have a chance but he's not been good in New York
Andrew McCutchen is making the hall of fame. Right on the border of it in terms is playing, but what he meant to the entire league as a figure of the game gets him in, he was also the guy that turned Pittsburgh back into a baseball city. He’s 85% in
Ahhh you didn’t even mention Cutch. Geez
I love McCutchen, but he's not making the Hall of Fame. He doesn't have 50 WAR yet and looks unlikely to get much past it. To me his career ended up similarly to Torii Hunter, with McCutchen having the better peak but Hunter maintaining his value longer. Really in most cases you have to get to 60 WAR to have a real argument for the Hall of Fame.
Aaron Judge is not a HOF if he retired today obviously. He doesn't even have 1000 career hits. However, if he keeps putting up great numbers for at least 5 or 6 more seasons he's definitely in.
I can see devers moving to DH. How would that change his chances?
Shocked no Oniel Cruz, Xander Borgarts, Tatis, Bichette, Rizzo, Logan Webb, mentions
Tatis is probably never making it because of steriods. Logan Webb hasn’t had enough of potenial
Oniel Cruz is too young and Xander has been only an above average short stop no where close to the best. Same for bichette plus his age. Rizzo Is also pretty mid
@@TheoBresnahan-vk4wpWebb also got busted for PEDs too
Rizzo is nowhere close. He's worse than plenty of guys not in the hall.
Rizzo is pretty clearly on the downward trajectory of his career and he is still struggling to get over 40 WAR. There was a time where he looked like he could track similarly to Eddie Murray, but it just didn't work out that way.
You make me feel old saying Acuña is in his 7th season
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Exactly how is a 280 hitter with 300 hr as a below average fielding corner outfielder in "if he retires today"?
Yeah, that was wrong. Harper is not automatically in. You have to look at it as if they never play another game. If Harper never plays another game, he's got less of an argument to be in the Hall of Fame than someone like Dale Murphy. To me, the only players who are in *right now* are Trout, Verlander, Kershaw, Scherzer, Greinke, Betts, Votto, and Goldschmidt. Freeman is very close but not quite there yet. Arenado and Altuve are not there yet. One player who is missing from this video is Yu Darvish. If you consider his time in Japan, he'd already be over 50 WAR by now.
Salvador Perez is a hall of famer
No McCutchen?!?!?
Are you serious?!?! Judge is a clear first ballot
Talking about ohtanis peak…
Yeah no he’s still too young
Yankee bias
@BagelBrickzhe is a first rounder lol are you fucking kidding me
@@TheoBresnahan-vk4wpyou’re just an idiot
If Salvador Perez gets to 300 HR’s something only 7 other C’s have ever done in the history of the game he needs to be a lock otherwise what are we talking about lol
Perez will get in because the media (voters) loves him.
You forgot to mention Emmanuel clase
How are we shouting out Jackson Holiday but not Merrill? Best Jackson out of the 3
Judge has higher career war than ohtani
Beltrans getting in.
So I don’t think the 2017 thing will have that MUCH of an impact on Altuve.
No Jackson Holiday is crazy
Great video!
Boy were you ever wrong about vladdy jr
No Longoria is criminal
I love Longoria but he's worse than rolen who barely got in.
I agree so much with this comment Longoria is so underrated. Go rays!
It's the hall of fame. Not the hall of really good.
Longo yes for the Rays HoF…. I grew up in Tampa going to see Longoria 30 times a season, but aint no way he’s HoF worthy.
His prime was short.
What about Kris Brant
Paul Skenes
Most of these guys won't "continue to stay healthy" though, sheer law of averages and the recent spike in injuries
JUAN SOTO!
Emanuel Clase IMO, if he maintains pace
PED suspension early in career will probably still keep him out. Most people forget about it
@@stevenholmquist723 Did not know about that. I do hope he does though personally but I have limited experience with him
@@Claygoods so do I. He had pitched like 23 innings in mlb before it. So I could see him fairing better with voters because of that and become the first to make hof despite a PED suspension. What most will argue though is although he was suspended 80 games, the use of PEDs will enhance you for years even so. Imagine if over the past 5 years he was just a bit less as good. If he has like another 10-15 years of dominance and has 500+ saves I could maybe see it happening then
Until Wagner gets in, no closer is getting in
@@jasonkohler2703 I bet, sorry I am a mega casual and started watching baseball this year. So i dont know a lot of legends
Well considering every person in the 500 hr club is in the Hall of Fame (or 10000% would be if they didn’t do steroids) I can say with certain, Giancarlo Stanton will be in the HoF if he can make it to 500… which I wouldn’t bet on… but if he DOES…
I get hate for saying it, but I'll say it anyway: Stanton's mind-boggling stats came during the steroid era and his chronic physical problems in recent years are classic symptoms of years of steroid abuse.
@@GeraldM_inNC Definitely after the steroid area… He was a rookie when they really started cracking down on it… But I agree with you, especially considering he was jacked as a rookie, now can’t play 5 games without getting hurt.
@shotbycamron It's not merely the fragility, but the complete degeneration of his legs and hips at a young age. Textbook steroid side-effects.
This comment section is on something and i would like some.
Packers 12-5 1st in div
If ur gonna mention the cheating for altuve mention it for gerrit cole as well
Soto guaranteed HOF
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I dont think greinke is a hof pitcher
You are a hall of famer, he is a hall of famer, that is a hall of famer, them are some hall of famers, the participation hall of fame era
Sorry, but that was the 1920s and 1930s. It's much harder to get into the HOF now. People who think it is easier haven't actually studied baseball history at all.
Degrom first ballot.
What is this guy smoking? A lot of maybes and what ifs. 75% of the hitters he mentioned won't have stats as good as Jeff Kent, who is still not in the HOF.
Man, you have to many in there that have NO CHANCE. Correa, no chance. Marcus Semien, no chance. Christian Yelich, no chance. Yelich is 32 and has 199 HRs with only two great seasons ever. So many others too that you are way too optimistic about. MLB players who don't cheat start to go down hill after age 34. Christian Yelich isn't going to suddenly have some great seasons again. Paul Goldschmidt is another one that you are too high on. He may not end up with as many HRs as Jim Edmonds, and Edmonds was a better fielder, and he's not in the Hall of Fame. Aranado is great and may get in based on his glove...and the fact that Scott Rolen is in, but he's not going to come anywhere close to 500 home runs. His power numbers have gone down three years in a row, and this year it's even worse. He has 6 HRs though 62 games. Anyway, geesh.
Gunnar > Witt
Lindor HELL NO!!!. Votto and Goldschmidt no. Trout? Let's see if he ever has another healthy season, as his body is made of Silly Putty. Remember Don Mattingly didn't make it because his back blew out. Freeman: Absolutely! Realmuto: No question. DeGrom, Snell, Vlad -- hell no. Bobby Witt jumps out as the best of those who are very early in their career.
Trout could retire today and make it easily. Sucks injuries have hampered this part of his career but prime Trout was one of the best baseball players ever.
@twisterduck1944 The question was whether his prime was long enough. Compare Tony Oliva, who was consistently one of the 3 best right fielders in baseball until his knee blew out. He had to wait for the Veterans Committee to let him in the back door. Was Trout pre-injuries significantly better than Oliva pre-injuries? I don't think so. If you're too young to remember Oliva, the guy was awesome .
Carlos Correa. Seriously? Not even close to making it. Come on dude
Voto? Huh
Royce Lewis
No
Emmanuel clase is a sleeper hof
Love it as a Cleveland fan
What about yu darvish
Nah sadly
Darvish brings up an interesting question, should HOF voters consider pre-MLB success? Say a player who plays 10 years in Japan or Cuba and also 10 years in MLB. I doubt such consideration necessarily gets Darvish or Jose Abreau in, but one day there will be a more compelling case. Some advocate for Lefty O'Doull to make the HOF based on a combination of his MLB and PCL stats.
I feel like other guys who could have a shot would be Bo Bichette, Michael Harris, George Springer, Kevin Gausman, Zac Gallen, Pablo Lopez, CJ Abrams, Anthony Rizzo, etc
Pablo López hasn’t had enough good seasons and George springer is getting worse and worse and Michael Harris and chip abrams have not proven greatness
@@TheoBresnahan-vk4wp I mean that’s fair ig, but if you include Elly then you have to include CJ, and also Micheal Harris had a 133 OPS+ with gold glove level defence in centre field as a rookie, that’s pretty great lol
Austin Riley max fried Spencer strider included
@@thebravesfan1427 huh
lol half of these guys will be dropped off the first ballot. George springer and Rizzo? Lol
You forgot Justin Verlander, a definite first ballot guy. Just moved to top 10 all time K's list
He didn’t though. He was in there. Right before Scherzer.
Sonny Gary
No Tatis is wild.
The steroid are gonna keep him out.
I'm not hating. Im just saying the truth.