Grove was the best pitcher of the 30s, and Spahn of the 50s. Musial was the player in the National League for 2 decades. The juice went to this guy's head.
@@StevenRussellBASEBALLI would have him above Mantle easily. Also Trout is an all-time great, but he is one of the most overrated all-time greats. There I said it. Lol
@StevenRussellBASEBALL Ken Griffey Jr. was the second best left-handed MLB player born on November 21st in Donora, PA. Everyone knows this. Huge snub to Stan!
@@cheddarcheese7928 Bench was stronger at both the plate and behind it.(not be lots, but still stronger). But Berra was unparalleled as a team captain and handler of pitchers. He was THE glue of that dynasty. He was incredibly baseball smart.
@@paulweston8408 I don’t think it’s crazy at all to swap Killebrew with Murray. I don’t feel strongly at all about Killebrew in fact I think he’s one of my least confident picks. I will say though Murray is one of many others I considered and not the clear 11 for me. There’s a lot that could fit toward the bottom at 1B.
Frank Robinson the most underrated Hall of Famer is left off your list. Two MVPs people just recently breaking his rookie records of Home Runs as a rookie and consecutive on base streak. 294 lifetime average, 586 Home Runs, 154 OPS+. MVP in both leagues, a triple crown. Stan Musial, 7 batting titles, 159 OPS+ three MVPs Eddie Murray isn't on your list? I say he is the second most underrated a Hall of Famer and I stand by that. If you take out his horrible defense he had as much WAR as Bagwell and you didn't even put him in as 10th at 1B. He had over 3200 hits and over 500 HRs and a career 129 OPS+. Also Cal should be #1 at SS. He was an amazing fielder and changed the position offensively going forward.
@@stephenbronson Robinson was super underrated and just missed the cut here. Murray is right in a group of first basemen that could go in any order I just liked my choices slightly more. He’s right outside of the top 10 for me.
@@AlecLapierre108 I’m Cleveland fan. Yadi is borderline top 10 because he’d be significantly the worst hitter of the catchers. Musial was one of the last cuts for me as he’s very borderline top 10. I have him just outside but I get it. Gibson Outside of 1968 was not nearly as dominant. He was great but borderline top 10 all-time in my opinion though he was considered.
@StevenRussellBASEBALL You put Kershaw over Bob Gibson. No way man. And Joe Mauer and buster Posey are part-timers. Easy to hit when you don't catch 50% of the time.
@StevenRussellBASEBALL I know you're probably done replying, but I just gotta say, you put 2 part-timers in Posey and Mauer ahead of him just because of offense. Yadi was a catcher through and through. Your stance on Gibson is just something we're going to disagree on and not worth the debate for me. Same for Stan. But Yadi doesn't get enough credit for his longevity and durability playing ELITE catcher.
@@AlecLapierre108 Posey and Mauer were both good defenders and they were full time catchers they just didnt' have the longetivty of Molina. That said they were both better players at their peak than Molina in my opinion. Gibson batted .375 against MLB pitching when he was given the opportunity. I give Yadi a lot of credit he was an all-time great defensive catcher but he was at best an average MLB hitter. Every other catcher on this list was an above average hitter. It's tough to be top 10. He's also tough to value since catching value is hard to quantify. I'd rather have the 10 on my list but I can see why people have him in their top 10. I fully understand it and I think his longevity is also underrated in his overall case.
No Eddie Murray? say it isn't so? 500 hrs 3000 hits (on a 287 batting average career), longest most consistent hitter, perhaps ever. Any given season you knew you were getting 30 home runs and 100 plus RBIs with a 285 batting average. Gold Glover, had the highest batting average in the league at age 34, one of the best bases loaded batters of all time. Second best switch hitter of all time is Murray or Chipper and he has the most sacrifice flies of any player in Major League baseball history! top clutch #s and #4 all time in grand slams (with A-Rod and Manny Ramirez "above" him) Not to mention Cal ripken credits him for instilling his pro work ethic and approach
Thanks for stopping by! To make it clear I’m not saying Derek Jeter was a great defender. Kinda sounded like I did the way I worded that transition. He was far from a great defender.
No apologies for Jeter. He was a good, though not great, defensive player on a very good team. Jeter's gift was having a knack to come up with the big play or big hit in big circumstances. He was always "in the game". Simply put, Jeter was a winner and it is difficult to quantify that elusive gift.
Bob Gibson an Musial,Pete Rose , Frank Robinson missing an Kershaw in top 10 gave up 7 runs inA third of a inning Twice biggest choker in playoff history! But for your age pretty knowledgable!
Gibson's 1968 carries what people think about him. He was great but not as legendary outside of that year. I don't think he's top 10 at SP but he's not far off. Musial I have at OF and OF is so stacked. I lowered him based on the era he played in a little bit because of the criteria in the beginning of this video. I have him JUST outside of the top 10. Frank Robinson is right there with Musial too. Kershaw being bad in the playoffs doesn't cancel out how incredible he's been in the regular season during his career to help his team make the playoffs. Those games matter too and he's one of the greatest ever in the regular season. Thanks for watching!
I agree with you about Gibson and Musial. I have always said, if I had one game to win, I would want Bob Gibson as my starter. Pete Rose, I don't know, not because of his gambling, although that puts everything in question but Rose was an average fielder and was a singles hitter. Granted, he hit the most but his RBI totals were nothing special for a player with those amount of hits.
@christopherhopkins949 Pete leadoff his whole career most of it anyway and he won more games than any player in history 1976 games counting playoffs an Allstars the National league won every game Pete was in but 1! He was probably the biggest prick in history Schmidt hated him but he said without Pete we never would of won a world series! He intimidated the other team!!! Pete said to win more games than l did play 20 years win 100 games a year an you beat me by 24 games won! Crazy stat! There's a 2 hr. documentary on him that states all of this!!
Nope, Barry Bonds isn't even a top 5 outfielder. Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Hank, Ted Williams and Ty Cobb are all better. You can even make an argument for Mantle, Musial and Griffey being better
I like a lot of stuff on this list but Yadi not being on here is kind of wild. Yadier Molina isn't just the best defensive catcher oat but he is the best defensive player oat. Also a very clutch hitter.
@@OughtaBeBrynnlol no 💩. This era of human beings is stupid AF. You wanna put a guy with a 96 OPS+ into your top 10 catchers list when all those other dudes could both hit an play defense besides a couple. Except those guys were twice the hitters that Yadi could ever dream to be.
Brooks Robinson is still the best defensive third baseman of all time. Check out those late 60s, early 70s Orioles' defensive teams. Mark Belanger was probably the best defensive SS at the time. Bobby Grich played 2nd and was one of the best 2nd basemen in the League. And their centerfielder was Paul Blair, one of the best defensive CFs of all time. Big reason the 1970 Orioles had four 20 game winners.
For some reason the planets misaligned and Albert Pujols wasn't the same player after he left the St. Louis Cardinals. That aside, there is ABSOLUTELY no way he or any other first baseman should be ranked higher than Henry Louis Gehrig!!! And this is a die-hard Boston Red Sox player you are hearing say this too.
If not for Bonds cheating; Hank Aaron would still have most HR, most RBI, and TB ever. There was a 14 year stretch where Hank Aaron averaged .318 BA, 37 HR, and 120 RBI!!! Stats don't lie brother.
@@HT-sm9dm even if his offense was not the best (he still has the top 10 most hits for a catcher) his defense was the gold standard for catching and he was able to spend his entire 19 year career catching, unlike mauer. There were quite literally half as many steal attempts while Molina was a cardinal, compared to team with the next lowest amount
@@RockstarGamesOfficial dude how much do you actually think stolen bases effect the game? Are you joking? Top 10 hits by a catcher oooohhh wow! The guy played for 2 decades and compiled hits. He has a below average OPS+.he also only has a low 40s WAR which in 99% of cases wouldn’t have him sniffing the hall of fame.
Let me explain something to you. "back in the day" baseballs were made of a ball of yarn, cork and sawdust. You had to hit the ball "harder" then the super balls they use today. Those guys back then also threw in the 100's. There's no way that todays baseball players were the same caliber as then -- they train differently and that shows but the game was a different game back then and they did not benefit from modern baseball's "upgrades" --- Home plate - home plate was MOVED back in 1893 when it was moved BACK from 50’ to 60’ 6”. The players did not have the advantages they do today early on in the game. You got it wrong -- it was harder to play back in the day especially since you couldn't go out and buy steroids or geek drugs back then like they HAVE and do today.
Good list but if your going to state the you have to consider how players did against their peers it’s hard to defend not have Ruth at the top. Twice he hit more home runs than any AL team
Bonds as the best fielder of all time I was shocked. I know some hate him but that’s the best placement for him if you don’t snub him for roids since as you said it was the era of juicing & he just got caught. Dude was a freak, him not being a hall of famer imo is robbery. Pre roids bonds was a monster so it’s hard to even say he wasn’t one before it
There was going to be some of the greatest players inevitably left off the list for both outfielders and pitchers no matter who you put on it. However, two points. You can't leave off Musial and Gibson. Hell, they changed the height of the mound because of Gibson. And get Bonds out of that top spot. He's one of the best without "help" but he chose to not age gracefully. With that said, good work 👏
Thank you for including the steroids guys , people who think some of those guys don’t belong in the Hall of Fame are morons that have probably never played the game
Geez….did you choose to ignore Ivan Rodriguez deflated once they started to test for PED’s???? His offensive numbers wouldn’t have been close to what they were without PED’s. Yogi is definitely above Pudge for that reason. With Gehrig….his numbers never tailed off until he was sick. Pujols tailed off dramatically after he left St. Louis. On top, Pujols never put up numbers in his best year to match Gehrigs best year. I love them both, but Gehrig above Pujols for sure. Honus Wagner below Jeter??? 😂😂😂 This coming from a Yankees fan. Wagner is a pillar of baseball immortality….and you have a PED user above him??? C’mon!!!! Mays is the most complete Outfielder in baseball history. Again a PED user above him? Wow With pitching, if you’re putting Ruth as high as you did….how is Walter Johnson 9th??? Only Walter Johnson matches Ruth in season WAR season after season…SMH 🤦🏻♂️ I have nothing but love for you with this video. I’m not trolling, but maybe a little more thought should’ve gone into this.
@@JazzRojas-ue6ih Certainly possible I overstated, born in ‘72. My understanding was, yes, pitching as a whole was becoming a problem for scoring, mainly due to a ton of great pitchers during this era. Am I wrong to say Gibson’s ‘68 was the final straw? Something had to be done? It still stands as the lowest single season era ever. Again, no problem being corrected.
50 qualifying pitchers that year had era’s below 3. 8 were below 2. Wilbur Wood, for example, was under 2 in 88 appearances. Yaz leading AL - AL - at .301 was just as big a reason to change the mound.
Alomar = Greatest 2B of all-time. 12 time all-star. 10 gold gloves. 2 Word Series. 4 silver sluggers. .300 career BA, and unlike Joe Morgan, Alomar delivered in the playoffs.
Piazza should be higher IMO. He was so much better offensively than everyone. I know that he didn’t rate well on D but there have been several pitchers that have said they enjoyed throwing to him. That means something to me.
@@tqnohe I don’t think it closes the gap enough on his slightly above average hitting. All of the other hitters on that list were good hitters and most were also above average defenders. I think the 6 I have ahead of him were more valuable as a whole.
Good list, I like how for an "all time" list, you really did research and did an all time list. A couple of notes, during Rod Carew's MVP season in 1977, he played 1st base. I am sorry but Barry Bonds should not be at the top of this list, or even on it. Looking at his physical appearance, he juiced more than any other player. In addition compare his record setting year of 73 home runs to his next highest home run season, 49, a 33% bump. That is insane and was due to heavy juicing. During his first 14 seasons he averaged 32 home runs, that is through 1999. Bonds was very jealous and bitter after McGuire and Sosa got all the attention in 1998 and in 1999 his physical appearance began to change, even his head grew in size, which just doesn't happen. Mickey Mantle should be in your top ten outfielders. Roger Clemons: I grew up in Boston and I loved Roger Clemons, I was at his first 20 K game, (there were only about 20,000 fans in attendance) BUT. His last two seasons in Boston his ERA's were: 4.18 3.63 His second to last season in Boston he K's dipped to 124 in the middle of a three year decline after averaging in the mid 200's during his career. His first year in Toronto, again his physical appearance had noticeably changed, he has a 2.05 ERA and 292 strikeouts. I think, and this is just my opinion, what started him juicing was then Red Sox GM Dan Duquette's comment that he thought Clemens was in "in the twilight of his career". This really got Roger pissed off as he was approaching free agency. Cudos putting Pedro at number one. First of all, Pedro was always very thin, so no juicing there. His 1999 and 2000 seasons were just sick, a 2.14 ERA 1999 and an ERA of 1.74 in 2020. He had 313 K's in 1999 and 285 in 2000. He also had 305 and 251 in 1997 and 1998 those two seasons he had ERA's of 1.90 and 2.89. He should be on the top of this list for his 1999 All Star Game performance alone. During the height of the steroid era he struck out, in succession to start the game, Barry Larkin Larry Walker Sammy Sosa Mark McGuire. Great call putting Josh Gibson as the best catcher. Most of the novices who make these types lists do not even know who Josh Gibson was.
@starkller919 Pete rose isn't an outfielder I mentioned him as a general statement I don't think ichro is better then trout but I do think he's better then ricky Henderson Henderson just compiled more stars
This has nothing to do with race..But how can anyone put Josh Gibson as the greatest catcher in MLB history if the man never played in the MLB??..It’s not right that he never had the chance but c’mon now
@@cheddarcheese7928 because he dominated at the highest level he could play at and when he played against MLB players he still dominated. Players of his day said he was one of the best too including MLB players. His stats are also now recognized as MLB stats.
@@StevenRussellBASEBALL You’re not wrong.And with Baseball recognizing his stats makes u right even more..It’s just he didn’t play against the best players of his era..Which right or wrong are all white.The Babe Ruth’s,the Joe DiMaggio’s or the Lefty Grove’s ect..He probably would’ve dominated.But without it actually taking place(which is a terrible shame) who knows what would’ve taken place
re. Walter Johnson - They didn't have speed guns back then, so there is no way to definitively tell, but Walter Johnson may have been the hardest thrower in MLB history. To paraphrase a story I have heard told as said by a number of players including Cobb, "There was this skinny kid on the mound, and he went into this nice, leisurely wind-up and delivery. All of a sudden there was an evil hiss and then the ball smacked hard into the catcher's mitt. I never saw the pitch". Shame he played for a horrible Senators' team, but he did win one World Series. Also, Maddux belongs in the top 3.
When I was a kid, I loved baseball, it was a beautiful game. I just wished there was more confusing math to clarify if what I saw was actually good. Thank you.
Babe belongs above Bonds because Ruth was the best pitcher in the AL before becoming the best hitter. Very bad choice. And Bonds was fueled by Balco and Ruth by beer.
Sorry for the novel... Just saw this on RUclips feed and was interested. Catcher - really good. Gibson on top, The big 3 of 70’s /80’s catchers all listed (Fisk, Carter, Bench), the specialists a a nod to recent great catchers. Could make an argument for the big 3 of 20’s and 30’s catchers (Dickey, Hartnett and Cochrane), but with an implied timeline having Mauer and Posey above them makes sense. First base - overall good list. Pujols over Gehrig makes sense, Foxx’s stats jump out and can be justified to be ahead of Thomas and Bagwell. Killebrew is really good and high peak hitting was elite, but he’s not as well rounded as say an Eddie Murray, who didn’t peak as high, but was a great player for longer. I think Buck Leonard could slot here as well towards the bottom half of the list form the Negro Leagues, and while there are no 1800’s players, Anson, Brouthers and Connor truly have incredible stats overall and not just relative to era. Not saying they should have made the list but the lap their competition (other than each other) Second base - mostly right players, Lajoie and Collins are so far ahead of most of their compeitition and close-ish to Hornsby timeline wise and total value wise that there shouldn’t be a huge gap between them and Rogers. If you put them as 3-4 because like Hornsby their value is so great, that works. No issue with Jackie at 4 and in some parallel universe where he gets started at 22 he probably pits up numbers close to the inner-circle great, never mind his impact on baseball as a whole. Charlie Gehringer while being timelined still has so much to offer and it’s just steady 6-7WAR seasons with peaks higher than that. Even timelined he should be on the list. Otherwise, Alomar’s a bit high and Bobby Grich while not being a Hall of famer has as much to offer as Sandberg (minus the MVP vote, the HOF induction and especially the name recognition) Lou Whitaker is another similar player (but with a lower peak from a similar timeframe who has an argument) Third base - quite good. Arenado is a bit soon, the hitting stats aren’t there if there is any adjustment for the fact that he played at Coors. I support him as a Hall guy, but he’s not top 10… yet Another 2022 season and he’s easily in the top 10. 2-6 with Brett, Jones, Boggs, Mathews and Beltre is a 5 way steel cage match with no clear superior. They are all really, really close depending on what you value. Schmidt as number 1 by a margin is worth noting too. Jud Wilson of the Negro Leagues might be worth considering as is Home Run Baker of the dead balls days of the 19aughts and 19teens days, but 3rd Base is a historically weak position at least until the 70’s. SS- Good list. Arky Vaughan being on the list is worth major respect. Ozzie’s overrated, but could make it on the top 10. Honus Wagner has to be 1-2, I can accept A-Rod over him, but if Hornsby’s 1 at second Wagner has to be at least 1 or 2 at short since his stats and rates are so much better than anyone else. Jeter at 3 is probably high, but behind Ripken and with the absence of any other inner-circle types isn’t egregious. Pop Lloyd from the Negro Leagues should be on this list as like Wagner his stats are nuts (as is the length of his career). Luke Appling form the 30’s and 40’s is another old-school name that would frequently pop up on these type of lists (as are George Davis and Bill Dahlen - who somehow isn’t in the hall of fame, as worthy top 10 players, with a less steep timeline discount.) Outfielders- way harder to get on the list with just 10 - should have gone by position or maybe just done 25-30 top outfielders. With only 10 the bar is insanely high. Cobb at 9 seems low as that kills the chance of Speaker appearing to and he has more career WAR than even Hornsby #1 on second base list. Griffey is my favorite player ever, but at #7 with only 10 players and Speaker and Musial floating around out there… Ken Griffey Jr is the second greatest left handed outfielder born on November 21 in Donora, PA ever. Stan the Man is #1. So many other great players that would be on a longer list, Mel Ott, Joe DiMaggio, Stan Musial, Frank Robinson, Carl Yastrzemski, Roberto Clemente, Al Kaline to name a few of the olds, but with only 10 the list is that stacked. Oscar Charleston from the Negro Leagues has an argument here as well, but with only 10 listed this is tough competition. Relievers - Hoffman and Wagner are just a smidge overrated compared to the bulk and effectiveness of Wilhelm, otherwise I could quibble about positions but it’s a real good list. Starters - This list probably should’ve been 20-25 at least if not 30. Pete Alexander, Lefty Grove, Satchel Paige and Smokey Joe Williams have an argument amongst the olds. Bob Gibson, Warren Spahn and Kid Nichols usually end up in the 11-15 range for me, but also have arguments. Walter Johnson despite inferior competition has so much career and so much peak (check out 1912-13 seasons or just the 1910-1919 seasons where he put up 116WAR including his bat) that it’s hard not to justify him higher on the list even with a steep timeline discount. Walter Johnson also has over 3,500 career strikeouts which puts him in the top 10 of all-time. Grove’s got strikeouts, peak, career and is missing some time from the begin while he was in the (paid) International league. Ryan’s great and the strikeouts are there, but on the whole the walks and general average-ish of ERA and ERA+ sink him as a top 10 pitcher. At his best he was unhittable. And for the other 30 plus starts a season he was good for 7 innings with 6 hits, 5 walks and 3 earned runs while striking out 8. Good stuff but not world class. His career walks are 50% more than second place. Koufax has insane peak, but adjusted to era, he’s similar to a Randy Johnson from 1998-02. Randy’s got the rest of his career. Koufax has some innings as a league average pitcher. Martinez and Kershaw are great but lacking bulk, the peaks are ridiculous but the bulk relative to Clemens and Randy Johnson who have peaks almost as high as Pedro (and with ridiculous strikeout numbers. Also if Kershaw is so high, how does he compare with contemporaries like Verlander and Scherzer.
Two thing you missed with Biggio is that one he currently holds the modern record (only a few from the all time record) for most times hit by a pitch and that he also played catcher and the outfield (with that part being much later in his career). Also with starting pitchers it should be worth noting thwt with the Cy Young awards until like 20 years ago mainly took in the pitcher who had the most wins as he was the "best" but Nolan Ryan never won one because he was on teams that often had struggles getting runs so he would give up 1 and lose the game. Also with Nolan Ryan 7 no hitters is still amazing
Good lists, and the comments are full of "corrections" to your lists, but here I go... Ichiro Suzuki would be in my top ten OF Satchel Paige would be in my top ten SP Rickey Henderson would my much higher in my top ten OF
Mickey Cochrane is a top 10 catcher Stan Musial? Brooks Robinson is THE greatest defensive third basemen ever, and it may be the most consensus of any position Clemente is easily in the top 10 outfielders Ichiro like 11 gold gloves 10 straight 200 hit season never been done Good list though Bob Gibson is a top 5 pitcher. Changed the rules of the mound .
You broke your own rule with Pedro. Flip the top 3 pitchers and I like your list. Pedro does not deserve no.1, his longevity just isn't there. Randy Johnson is the one pitcher no batter, not even Barry Bonds, wants a part of. Honestly if Maddox could deliver just a couple times in the post season he would be top 3, but playoffs matter.
Feeling a tad slighted by the outfield top 10. Billy Williams? .290 career BA, 400+ HRs, 1,500 RBI, 1100+ consecutive starts, etc. Not a slight because of limited numbers, but still....
Lou Gehrig would have been the best first basemen if he had not had Lou Gehrig's disease (ALS, a condition so rare that it was named after him). He is better than Pujols in everything that is not accumulation based (where Pujols has a huge advantage playing 916 more games. Gehrig is better in WAR, WAR/9in, BAve, OBP, SLG, OPS, and OPS+. The only knock against Gehrig is longevity, and he still played 17 seasons. In the outfield, I would put Babe Ruth over Bonds. Bonds had incredible numbers, but in comparison to his contemporaries, he wasn't close. There were seasons where Ruth had more home runs than several teams in the league. No one else has ever done that. Also, for their peaks, Ruth was better than Bonds. For an 8-year peak (Ruth 1921-28 and Bonds 1996--2003), Ruth leads Bonds in WAR, H, HR, RBI, BA, OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+. That doesn't even take into consideration that Ruth spent 6 years pitching and not being a dominant outfielder. For starting pitchers, there is just no way to put Pedro above Clemons and Johnson (especially if you are not dinging people for steroids).
Clemente had 12 gold gloves and 4 batting titles and a World Series MVP ...Mke Trout zero gold gloves zero batting titles and will never play in a World Series
Ripken way too high on the list at SS. Got Brooks and Ozzie right though - you need some very good career O numbers to be considered top 5 at any position.
@@threej44 What I had meant to say is that he played more games at 1B than any other position so I considered him at 1B. It's really the only positon that makes sense to rank him. To your other point, Mauer's peak was him at catcher so that's where I ranked him.
There no way im taking Pujos over Gehrig. FranK Thomas was more of a Dh because he was horrible in the field. I can't take Ripken of Jeter. Jeter was a way better hitter.
I won't beat you up much, but in my opinion Hank Aaron was the best hitter of all time. Not just the OF position; every position. Then I would go with Babe Ruth, Willie Mays. Barry Bonds would be in my top 20 hitters of all time. You claimed Bonds had a "little help". Really bro ..... Look at Bonds' numbers after he turned 32. When almost everyone starts declining; Bonds actually got a lot better! I mean do you really think a mid 30's player could belt 73 HR? Without the juice; Bonds might have hit 40 HR that year. Without juice; Bonds would have probably hit 500 HR, but certainly not near enough to break Hank Aaron's HR record.
I'd like I'd like to sometimes compare people's all time picks to what baseball reference and analytics have to say Dude buster posey isn't even top 25
No Bob Gibson? No Warren Spawn? No Eddie Murray? No Stan Musial? No Lefty Grove? No Steve Carlton? This is Madness!!👎🏿👎🏿👎🏿
Pete Rose.
Roberto Clemente.
Joe DiMaggio!!
Grove was the best pitcher of the 30s, and Spahn of the 50s. Musial was the player in the National League for 2 decades. The juice went to this guy's head.
It’s HIS list. Yours can differ and be equally as valid. As can mine, or somebody else’s.
Agree on
Gibson
Grove
Spahn
Musial
But no way Murray or Carlton
Good list but where is Stan the man
I haven't finished the video yet but he seriously left out Musial? Wtf?
I have him just outside the top 10. There were some really tough cuts.
@@StevenRussellBASEBALLI would have him above Mantle easily. Also Trout is an all-time great, but he is one of the most overrated all-time greats. There I said it. Lol
@StevenRussellBASEBALL Ken Griffey Jr. was the second best left-handed MLB player born on November 21st in Donora, PA. Everyone knows this. Huge snub to Stan!
@@ModislickbaulGriffey is better than Musial
C’mon man, Johnny Bench is the best catcher of all time
Can't argue that...
@@Deep.PurpleYes you can. Berra was the most effective catcher ever. The numbers don't capture it all.
@@nicholasschroeder3678 Exactly. Casey Stengel said Berra was the best player he ever managed. That's good enough for me.
@@nicholasschroeder3678 It’s so close right.I’d give Berra the slight edge against Bench..But Bench’s defense was something else
@@cheddarcheese7928 Bench was stronger at both the plate and behind it.(not be lots, but still stronger). But Berra was unparalleled as a team captain and handler of pitchers. He was THE glue of that dynasty. He was incredibly baseball smart.
In no universe should Eddie Murray be left off a list of top 1st baseman that Harmon Killebrew makes???
@@paulweston8408 I don’t think it’s crazy at all to swap Killebrew with Murray. I don’t feel strongly at all about Killebrew in fact I think he’s one of my least confident picks. I will say though Murray is one of many others I considered and not the clear 11 for me. There’s a lot that could fit toward the bottom at 1B.
As a Yankee fan since ‘79 ish…Murray put as much fear in me as any player from the 80’s.
Remember him being really clutch too.
Leading league in homers 7 times. The Killer. No Musial though.
Frank Robinson the most underrated Hall of Famer is left off your list. Two MVPs people just recently breaking his rookie records of Home Runs as a rookie and consecutive on base streak. 294 lifetime average, 586 Home Runs, 154 OPS+. MVP in both leagues, a triple crown.
Stan Musial, 7 batting titles, 159 OPS+ three MVPs
Eddie Murray isn't on your list? I say he is the second most underrated a Hall of Famer and I stand by that. If you take out his horrible defense he had as much WAR as Bagwell and you didn't even put him in as 10th at 1B. He had over 3200 hits and over 500 HRs and a career 129 OPS+.
Also Cal should be #1 at SS. He was an amazing fielder and changed the position offensively going forward.
@@stephenbronson Robinson was super underrated and just missed the cut here. Murray is right in a group of first basemen that could go in any order I just liked my choices slightly more. He’s right outside of the top 10 for me.
@@StevenRussellBASEBALL His stats are better than Frank Thomas. Come on man
You gotta be a Cubs fan. No Yadi Molina, no Musial, no Bob Gibson. Terrible
@@AlecLapierre108 I’m Cleveland fan. Yadi is borderline top 10 because he’d be significantly the worst hitter of the catchers. Musial was one of the last cuts for me as he’s very borderline top 10. I have him just outside but I get it. Gibson Outside of 1968 was not nearly as dominant. He was great but borderline top 10 all-time in my opinion though he was considered.
@StevenRussellBASEBALL You put Kershaw over Bob Gibson. No way man. And Joe Mauer and buster Posey are part-timers. Easy to hit when you don't catch 50% of the time.
He's a Cleveland fan I believe. Said his favorite player was Thome.
@StevenRussellBASEBALL I know you're probably done replying, but I just gotta say, you put 2 part-timers in Posey and Mauer ahead of him just because of offense. Yadi was a catcher through and through. Your stance on Gibson is just something we're going to disagree on and not worth the debate for me. Same for Stan. But Yadi doesn't get enough credit for his longevity and durability playing ELITE catcher.
@@AlecLapierre108 Posey and Mauer were both good defenders and they were full time catchers they just didnt' have the longetivty of Molina. That said they were both better players at their peak than Molina in my opinion. Gibson batted .375 against MLB pitching when he was given the opportunity. I give Yadi a lot of credit he was an all-time great defensive catcher but he was at best an average MLB hitter. Every other catcher on this list was an above average hitter. It's tough to be top 10. He's also tough to value since catching value is hard to quantify. I'd rather have the 10 on my list but I can see why people have him in their top 10. I fully understand it and I think his longevity is also underrated in his overall case.
Where Bob Gibson mane ?
I stopped watching when you had Campenella over Yogi.
@@garymorris1856 lmao camp over yogi is an opinion shared by many u act like he said Rodon is better than Andy P
@@Tumbo8 I stopped watching, knowing that this guy doesn't have a clue, and when did I mention Rodon and Petite, dildo?
No Eddie Murray? say it isn't so?
500 hrs 3000 hits (on a 287 batting average career), longest most consistent hitter, perhaps ever. Any given season you knew you were getting 30 home runs and 100 plus RBIs with a 285 batting average. Gold Glover, had the highest batting average in the league at age 34, one of the best bases loaded batters of all time. Second best switch hitter of all time is Murray or Chipper
and he has the most sacrifice flies of any player in Major League baseball history! top clutch #s and #4 all time in grand slams (with A-Rod and Manny Ramirez "above" him)
Not to mention Cal ripken credits him for instilling his pro work ethic and approach
WAR less than 70 and OPS is only 0.836
Thanks for stopping by! To make it clear I’m not saying Derek Jeter was a great defender. Kinda sounded like I did the way I worded that transition. He was far from a great defender.
Yadi, Bob Gibson, Stan Musial. You gotta be a Cubs fan
@@AlecLapierre108he’s a Cleveland fan look at the jersey lmao
No apologies for Jeter. He was a good, though not great, defensive player on a very good team. Jeter's gift was having a knack to come up with the big play or big hit in big circumstances. He was always "in the game". Simply put, Jeter was a winner and it is difficult to quantify that elusive gift.
@@busterb11702 I mean I’m not a jeter hater at all I think he’s rlly underrated but also he is one of the worst fielders ever
Stan Musial and bob gibson and yadi and Pete rose
I completely agree but I would have found a spot for Tony Gwynn as well
Tony Gwynn is good too
Bob Gibson an Musial,Pete Rose , Frank Robinson missing an Kershaw in top 10 gave up 7 runs inA third of a inning Twice biggest choker in playoff history! But for your age pretty knowledgable!
Gibson's 1968 carries what people think about him. He was great but not as legendary outside of that year. I don't think he's top 10 at SP but he's not far off. Musial I have at OF and OF is so stacked. I lowered him based on the era he played in a little bit because of the criteria in the beginning of this video. I have him JUST outside of the top 10. Frank Robinson is right there with Musial too. Kershaw being bad in the playoffs doesn't cancel out how incredible he's been in the regular season during his career to help his team make the playoffs. Those games matter too and he's one of the greatest ever in the regular season. Thanks for watching!
@StevenRussellBASEBALL Kershaw in the Crappy West! Your a Dodger Homer! Your opinion we all have 1!
I agree with you about Gibson and Musial. I have always said, if I had one game to win, I would want Bob Gibson as my starter. Pete Rose, I don't know, not because of his gambling, although that puts everything in question but Rose was an average fielder and was a singles hitter. Granted, he hit the most but his RBI totals were nothing special for a player with those amount of hits.
@christopherhopkins949 Pete leadoff his whole career most of it anyway and he won more games than any player in history 1976 games counting playoffs an Allstars the National league won every game Pete was in but 1! He was probably the biggest prick in history Schmidt hated him but he said without Pete we never would of won a world series! He intimidated the other team!!! Pete said to win more games than l did play 20 years win 100 games a year an you beat me by 24 games won! Crazy stat! There's a 2 hr. documentary on him that states all of this!!
Nope, Barry Bonds isn't even a top 5 outfielder. Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Hank, Ted Williams and Ty Cobb are all better. You can even make an argument for Mantle, Musial and Griffey being better
If you say so sir
I like a lot of stuff on this list but Yadi not being on here is kind of wild. Yadier Molina isn't just the best defensive catcher oat but he is the best defensive player oat. Also a very clutch hitter.
No Yadier Molina is wild
@@OughtaBeBrynnlol no 💩. This era of human beings is stupid AF. You wanna put a guy with a 96 OPS+ into your top 10 catchers list when all those other dudes could both hit an play defense besides a couple. Except those guys were twice the hitters that Yadi could ever dream to be.
Steve Carlton missing
Roberto clemente and tris speaker and stan musial are the greatest out field
No Bob Gibson??, and why is Nolan Ryan so low?
Nolan Ryan doesn’t even have a Cy Young buddy. On top of that a career 112 ERA+. Why would he make this list?
Ryan walked too many. Carlton and Seaver were better and less legendary.
Good lists, Maddux over Kershaw tho imo
Brooks Robinson is still the best defensive third baseman of all time. Check out those late 60s, early 70s Orioles' defensive teams. Mark Belanger was probably the best defensive SS at the time. Bobby Grich played 2nd and was one of the best 2nd basemen in the League. And their centerfielder was Paul Blair, one of the best defensive CFs of all time. Big reason the 1970 Orioles had four 20 game winners.
Always hurts me as a Yankee fan seeing a list like this and knowing if Mattingly’s back held up for just a few more years, he’d be way up there.
Whenever I played video baseball games and could hire my own players I would always have Mattingly on first and Boggs at third.
For some reason the planets misaligned and Albert Pujols wasn't the same player after he left the St. Louis Cardinals. That aside, there is ABSOLUTELY no way he or any other first baseman should be ranked higher than Henry Louis Gehrig!!! And this is a die-hard Boston Red Sox player you are hearing say this too.
If not for Bonds cheating; Hank Aaron would still have most HR, most RBI, and TB ever. There was a 14 year stretch where Hank Aaron averaged .318 BA, 37 HR, and 120 RBI!!! Stats don't lie brother.
And the stats say that bonds is better, he already established that he doesn’t care abt roids
Aaron still holds the all time RBI and TB records. Pujols is second in both categories
Yadier Molina?
Are you serious?
@@HT-sm9dm even if his offense was not the best (he still has the top 10 most hits for a catcher) his defense was the gold standard for catching and he was able to spend his entire 19 year career catching, unlike mauer. There were quite literally half as many steal attempts while Molina was a cardinal, compared to team with the next lowest amount
@@RockstarGamesOfficial dude how much do you actually think stolen bases effect the game? Are you joking? Top 10 hits by a catcher oooohhh wow! The guy played for 2 decades and compiled hits. He has a below average OPS+.he also only has a low 40s WAR which in 99% of cases wouldn’t have him sniffing the hall of fame.
Glad he is out of the game. Don’t miss him and the Cards don’t either.
Where was Bob Gibson, and Roberto Clemente, or Joe DiMaggio?
DiMaggio only led his league in major offensive categories 15 times. Ted Williams: over 80.
Lost me at no Stan the Man.
Kinda ridiculous when you leave Musial off a list like this--the single best player of the National League for 2 decades.🙄
Let me explain something to you. "back in the day" baseballs were made of a ball of yarn, cork and sawdust. You had to hit the ball "harder" then the super balls they use today. Those guys back then also threw in the 100's. There's no way that todays baseball players were the same caliber as then -- they train differently and that shows but the game was a different game back then and they did not benefit from modern baseball's "upgrades" --- Home plate - home plate was MOVED back in 1893 when it was moved BACK from 50’ to 60’ 6”. The players did not have the advantages they do today early on in the game. You got it wrong -- it was harder to play back in the day especially since you couldn't go out and buy steroids or geek drugs back then like they HAVE and do today.
Absolutely. Plus he said today's players are better. No body today is better than Mickey Mantle in his prime. Especially if he hadn't got hurt.
Good list but if your going to state the you have to consider how players did against their peers it’s hard to defend not have Ruth at the top. Twice he hit more home runs than any AL team
If you had felt Bob Gibson brush you back just one time, he’d be at or near the top of your list.
Bonds as the best fielder of all time I was shocked. I know some hate him but that’s the best placement for him if you don’t snub him for roids since as you said it was the era of juicing & he just got caught. Dude was a freak, him not being a hall of famer imo is robbery. Pre roids bonds was a monster so it’s hard to even say he wasn’t one before it
There was going to be some of the greatest players inevitably left off the list for both outfielders and pitchers no matter who you put on it.
However, two points. You can't leave off Musial and Gibson. Hell, they changed the height of the mound because of Gibson. And get Bonds out of that top spot. He's one of the best without "help" but he chose to not age gracefully.
With that said, good work 👏
Thank you for including the steroids guys , people who think some of those guys don’t belong in the Hall of Fame are morons that have probably never played the game
Do you feel like this dude is yelling at you?
Geez….did you choose to ignore Ivan Rodriguez deflated once they started to test for PED’s???? His offensive numbers wouldn’t have been close to what they were without PED’s. Yogi is definitely above Pudge for that reason.
With Gehrig….his numbers never tailed off until he was sick. Pujols tailed off dramatically after he left St. Louis. On top, Pujols never put up numbers in his best year to match Gehrigs best year. I love them both, but Gehrig above Pujols for sure.
Honus Wagner below Jeter??? 😂😂😂 This coming from a Yankees fan. Wagner is a pillar of baseball immortality….and you have a PED user above him??? C’mon!!!!
Mays is the most complete Outfielder in baseball history. Again a PED user above him? Wow
With pitching, if you’re putting Ruth as high as you did….how is Walter Johnson 9th??? Only Walter Johnson matches Ruth in season WAR season after season…SMH 🤦🏻♂️
I have nothing but love for you with this video. I’m not trolling, but maybe a little more thought should’ve gone into this.
Bob Gibson?
Really enjoyed this.
Only three names immediately stuck out to me as interesting omissions.
DiMaggio, Bob Gibson and Musial.
@@jjsdad4952 all three were just outside of the top 10
When they lower the mound for you….
Just sayin 😊
They lowered the mound for McLain and Drysdale and lots of dominant pitching in 68. Not just one guy. McLain had = stuff that year.
@@JazzRojas-ue6ih Certainly possible I overstated, born in ‘72.
My understanding was, yes, pitching as a whole was becoming a problem for scoring, mainly due to a ton of great pitchers during this era.
Am I wrong to say Gibson’s ‘68 was the final straw? Something had to be done?
It still stands as the lowest single season era ever.
Again, no problem being corrected.
50 qualifying pitchers that year had era’s below 3. 8 were below 2. Wilbur Wood, for example, was under 2 in 88 appearances. Yaz leading AL - AL - at .301 was just as big a reason to change the mound.
Where's Roberto Clemente? Best right field ever?
10 outfielders is just tough. I don't think Clemente quite makes this list but he's for sure an all-time great.
Alomar = Greatest 2B of all-time. 12 time all-star. 10 gold gloves. 2 Word Series. 4 silver sluggers. .300 career BA, and unlike Joe Morgan, Alomar delivered in the playoffs.
Steve Carlton instead of Nolan Ryan for me..........do a top 50
Piazza should be higher IMO. He was so much better offensively than everyone. I know that he didn’t rate well on D but there have been several pitchers that have said they enjoyed throwing to him. That means something to me.
Look into Lou Whitaker he had like a 70+ war at second base
Yes but getting into Bobby Grich territory.
Borderline top 10 in my opinion. I looked into his stat when making this video and didn't think he was quite top 10.
@@StevenRussellBASEBALL true he’s just very under appreciated for what he did (at least according to stats I wasn’t alive)
Mike Schmidt above Brooks Robinson. I called it before you even started. But Schmidt #1 and Brooks #7?
What are you smoking.
@@tqnohe Robinson was a WAY worse hitter than everyone else on the third base list. That matters a lot to me because hitting is extremely important.
@@StevenRussellBASEBALL
And taking away hits… ?
@@tqnohe I don’t think it closes the gap enough on his slightly above average hitting. All of the other hitters on that list were good hitters and most were also above average defenders. I think the 6 I have ahead of him were more valuable as a whole.
Good list, I like how for an "all time" list, you really did research and did an all time list.
A couple of notes, during Rod Carew's MVP season in 1977, he played 1st base.
I am sorry but Barry Bonds should not be at the top of this list, or even on it. Looking at his physical appearance, he juiced more than any other player. In addition compare his record setting year of 73 home runs to his next highest home run season, 49, a 33% bump. That is insane and was due to heavy juicing.
During his first 14 seasons he averaged 32 home runs, that is through 1999. Bonds was very jealous and bitter after McGuire and Sosa got all the attention in 1998 and in 1999 his physical appearance began to change, even his head grew in size, which just doesn't happen.
Mickey Mantle should be in your top ten outfielders.
Roger Clemons: I grew up in Boston and I loved Roger Clemons, I was at his first 20 K game, (there were only about 20,000 fans in attendance)
BUT.
His last two seasons in Boston his ERA's were:
4.18
3.63
His second to last season in Boston he K's dipped to 124 in the middle of a three year decline after averaging in the mid 200's during his career.
His first year in Toronto, again his physical appearance had noticeably changed, he has a 2.05 ERA and 292 strikeouts.
I think, and this is just my opinion, what started him juicing was then Red Sox GM Dan Duquette's comment that he thought Clemens was in "in the twilight of his career". This really got Roger pissed off as he was approaching free agency.
Cudos putting Pedro at number one. First of all, Pedro was always very thin, so no juicing there. His 1999 and 2000 seasons were just sick, a 2.14 ERA 1999 and an ERA of 1.74 in 2020. He had 313 K's in 1999 and 285 in 2000. He also had 305 and 251 in 1997 and 1998 those two seasons he had ERA's of 1.90 and 2.89.
He should be on the top of this list for his 1999 All Star Game performance alone. During the height of the steroid era he struck out, in succession to start the game,
Barry Larkin
Larry Walker
Sammy Sosa
Mark McGuire.
Great call putting Josh Gibson as the best catcher. Most of the novices who make these types lists do not even know who Josh Gibson was.
Thank you for putting Clayton Kershaw in the top five above Koufax because that’s where he deserves
only 10 outfielders seems harsh for outfielders
It was way too tough
I think ichro should've made 10th outfielder spot... and where is Pete Rose
Nah it's fair, I think Trout clears both by a good amount
@starkller919 Pete rose isn't an outfielder I mentioned him as a general statement I don't think ichro is better then trout but I do think he's better then ricky Henderson Henderson just compiled more stars
@@hoppy23Henderson was also much better on a rate basis, Ichiro has like a career 105 OPS+
Those were my thoughts too
No lefty grove is crazy
@@Max-qq8lp he has a case to sure. Pitchers that long ago are just hard to rank.
Christy Mathewson
No Judge because he hasn't played too long. But he is the best player in my time so far for ever. 3 times 50 homeruns and good fielder
Regardless of what ppl think about him personally, Barry Bonds for 3-4 yrs was the greatest hitter we have ever seen in the history of the game!
As long as Bonds got his shots and took his pills he was Superman. Without the PEDs he was Ken Griffey, jr. His whole career is an asterisk.
This has nothing to do with race..But how can anyone put Josh Gibson as the greatest catcher in MLB history if the man never played in the MLB??..It’s not right that he never had the chance but c’mon now
@@cheddarcheese7928 because he dominated at the highest level he could play at and when he played against MLB players he still dominated. Players of his day said he was one of the best too including MLB players. His stats are also now recognized as MLB stats.
@@StevenRussellBASEBALL You’re not wrong.And with Baseball recognizing his stats makes u right even more..It’s just he didn’t play against the best players of his era..Which right or wrong are all white.The Babe Ruth’s,the Joe DiMaggio’s or the Lefty Grove’s ect..He probably would’ve dominated.But without it actually taking place(which is a terrible shame) who knows what would’ve taken place
re. Walter Johnson - They didn't have speed guns back then, so there is no way to definitively tell, but Walter Johnson may have been the hardest thrower in MLB history. To paraphrase a story I have heard told as said by a number of players including Cobb, "There was this skinny kid on the mound, and he went into this nice, leisurely wind-up and delivery. All of a sudden there was an evil hiss and then the ball smacked hard into the catcher's mitt. I never saw the pitch". Shame he played for a horrible Senators' team, but he did win one World Series.
Also, Maddux belongs in the top 3.
Not freaking out but I think Sandberg is top 4 so it’s not crazy to have him at 6. It’s a fun video, we all have our favorites and opinions.
Munson
Musial
Kent
Vizquel
Nettles
F Robinson
Clemente
Rose
Carlton
Mike Marshall
My opinion, a position like catcher needs to be weighed more with defensive metrics. I’d 100% have Yadi somewhere on this list!
You lost all legitimacy when you stated Josh Gibson unfortunately never played a game in the MLB.
That is no respect for Bench, Berra and Campanella.
When I was a kid, I loved baseball, it was a beautiful game. I just wished there was more confusing math to clarify if what I saw was actually good. Thank you.
Babe belongs above Bonds because Ruth was the best pitcher in the AL before becoming the best hitter. Very bad choice. And Bonds was fueled by Balco and Ruth by beer.
Sorry for the novel... Just saw this on RUclips feed and was interested.
Catcher - really good. Gibson on top, The big 3 of 70’s /80’s catchers all listed (Fisk, Carter, Bench), the specialists a a nod to recent great catchers. Could make an argument for the big 3 of 20’s and 30’s catchers (Dickey, Hartnett and Cochrane), but with an implied timeline having Mauer and Posey above them makes sense.
First base - overall good list. Pujols over Gehrig makes sense, Foxx’s stats jump out and can be justified to be ahead of Thomas and Bagwell. Killebrew is really good and high peak hitting was elite, but he’s not as well rounded as say an Eddie Murray, who didn’t peak as high, but was a great player for longer. I think Buck Leonard could slot here as well towards the bottom half of the list form the Negro Leagues, and while there are no 1800’s players, Anson, Brouthers and Connor truly have incredible stats overall and not just relative to era. Not saying they should have made the list but the lap their competition (other than each other)
Second base - mostly right players, Lajoie and Collins are so far ahead of most of their compeitition and close-ish to Hornsby timeline wise and total value wise that there shouldn’t be a huge gap between them and Rogers. If you put them as 3-4 because like Hornsby their value is so great, that works. No issue with Jackie at 4 and in some parallel universe where he gets started at 22 he probably pits up numbers close to the inner-circle great, never mind his impact on baseball as a whole. Charlie Gehringer while being timelined still has so much to offer and it’s just steady 6-7WAR seasons with peaks higher than that. Even timelined he should be on the list. Otherwise, Alomar’s a bit high and Bobby Grich while not being a Hall of famer has as much to offer as Sandberg (minus the MVP vote, the HOF induction and especially the name recognition) Lou Whitaker is another similar player (but with a lower peak from a similar timeframe who has an argument)
Third base - quite good. Arenado is a bit soon, the hitting stats aren’t there if there is any adjustment for the fact that he played at Coors. I support him as a Hall guy, but he’s not top 10… yet Another 2022 season and he’s easily in the top 10. 2-6 with Brett, Jones, Boggs, Mathews and Beltre is a 5 way steel cage match with no clear superior. They are all really, really close depending on what you value. Schmidt as number 1 by a margin is worth noting too. Jud Wilson of the Negro Leagues might be worth considering as is Home Run Baker of the dead balls days of the 19aughts and 19teens days, but 3rd Base is a historically weak position at least until the 70’s.
SS- Good list. Arky Vaughan being on the list is worth major respect. Ozzie’s overrated, but could make it on the top 10. Honus Wagner has to be 1-2, I can accept A-Rod over him, but if Hornsby’s 1 at second Wagner has to be at least 1 or 2 at short since his stats and rates are so much better than anyone else. Jeter at 3 is probably high, but behind Ripken and with the absence of any other inner-circle types isn’t egregious. Pop Lloyd from the Negro Leagues should be on this list as like Wagner his stats are nuts (as is the length of his career). Luke Appling form the 30’s and 40’s is another old-school name that would frequently pop up on these type of lists (as are George Davis and Bill Dahlen - who somehow isn’t in the hall of fame, as worthy top 10 players, with a less steep timeline discount.)
Outfielders- way harder to get on the list with just 10 - should have gone by position or maybe just done 25-30 top outfielders. With only 10 the bar is insanely high. Cobb at 9 seems low as that kills the chance of Speaker appearing to and he has more career WAR than even Hornsby #1 on second base list. Griffey is my favorite player ever, but at #7 with only 10 players and Speaker and Musial floating around out there… Ken Griffey Jr is the second greatest left handed outfielder born on November 21 in Donora, PA ever. Stan the Man is #1. So many other great players that would be on a longer list, Mel Ott, Joe DiMaggio, Stan Musial, Frank Robinson, Carl Yastrzemski, Roberto Clemente, Al Kaline to name a few of the olds, but with only 10 the list is that stacked. Oscar Charleston from the Negro Leagues has an argument here as well, but with only 10 listed this is tough competition.
Relievers - Hoffman and Wagner are just a smidge overrated compared to the bulk and effectiveness of Wilhelm, otherwise I could quibble about positions but it’s a real good list.
Starters - This list probably should’ve been 20-25 at least if not 30. Pete Alexander, Lefty Grove, Satchel Paige and Smokey Joe Williams have an argument amongst the olds. Bob Gibson, Warren Spahn and Kid Nichols usually end up in the 11-15 range for me, but also have arguments. Walter Johnson despite inferior competition has so much career and so much peak (check out 1912-13 seasons or just the 1910-1919 seasons where he put up 116WAR including his bat) that it’s hard not to justify him higher on the list even with a steep timeline discount. Walter Johnson also has over 3,500 career strikeouts which puts him in the top 10 of all-time. Grove’s got strikeouts, peak, career and is missing some time from the begin while he was in the (paid) International league. Ryan’s great and the strikeouts are there, but on the whole the walks and general average-ish of ERA and ERA+ sink him as a top 10 pitcher. At his best he was unhittable. And for the other 30 plus starts a season he was good for 7 innings with 6 hits, 5 walks and 3 earned runs while striking out 8. Good stuff but not world class. His career walks are 50% more than second place. Koufax has insane peak, but adjusted to era, he’s similar to a Randy Johnson from 1998-02. Randy’s got the rest of his career. Koufax has some innings as a league average pitcher. Martinez and Kershaw are great but lacking bulk, the peaks are ridiculous but the bulk relative to Clemens and Randy Johnson who have peaks almost as high as Pedro (and with ridiculous strikeout numbers. Also if Kershaw is so high, how does he compare with contemporaries like Verlander and Scherzer.
You might want to ask any still living 1970 Cincinnati Reds players about Brooks Robinson.
Two thing you missed with Biggio is that one he currently holds the modern record (only a few from the all time record) for most times hit by a pitch and that he also played catcher and the outfield (with that part being much later in his career). Also with starting pitchers it should be worth noting thwt with the Cy Young awards until like 20 years ago mainly took in the pitcher who had the most wins as he was the "best" but Nolan Ryan never won one because he was on teams that often had struggles getting runs so he would give up 1 and lose the game. Also with Nolan Ryan 7 no hitters is still amazing
insane that bob gibson is not here
Good lists, and the comments are full of "corrections" to your lists, but here I go...
Ichiro Suzuki would be in my top ten OF
Satchel Paige would be in my top ten SP
Rickey Henderson would my much higher in my top ten OF
I'm very surprised the teacher man didn't make this list 🤣😂😂😂😂😂
Mickey Cochrane is a top 10 catcher
Stan Musial?
Brooks Robinson is THE greatest defensive third basemen ever, and it may be the most consensus of any position
Clemente is easily in the top 10 outfielders
Ichiro like 11 gold gloves 10 straight 200 hit season never been done
Good list though
Bob Gibson is a top 5 pitcher. Changed the rules of the mound .
Do the top 50
Henderson is an interesting choice. He has top stolen base, but it's not near the list of the most efficient stolen base seasons .
To put Hornsby over Morgan you have to utterly ignore defense. Hornsby was one of the worst defensive players of his day.
You overlooked Steve Carlton! He easily beat out at least 5 guys on your list.
You broke your own rule with Pedro. Flip the top 3 pitchers and I like your list. Pedro does not deserve no.1, his longevity just isn't there. Randy Johnson is the one pitcher no batter, not even Barry Bonds, wants a part of. Honestly if Maddox could deliver just a couple times in the post season he would be top 3, but playoffs matter.
Feeling a tad slighted by the outfield top 10. Billy Williams? .290 career BA, 400+ HRs, 1,500 RBI, 1100+ consecutive starts, etc. Not a slight because of limited numbers, but still....
Steve Carlton over Kershaw.
Lou Gehrig would have been the best first basemen if he had not had Lou Gehrig's disease (ALS, a condition so rare that it was named after him). He is better than Pujols in everything that is not accumulation based (where Pujols has a huge advantage playing 916 more games. Gehrig is better in WAR, WAR/9in, BAve, OBP, SLG, OPS, and OPS+. The only knock against Gehrig is longevity, and he still played 17 seasons.
In the outfield, I would put Babe Ruth over Bonds. Bonds had incredible numbers, but in comparison to his contemporaries, he wasn't close. There were seasons where Ruth had more home runs than several teams in the league. No one else has ever done that. Also, for their peaks, Ruth was better than Bonds. For an 8-year peak (Ruth 1921-28 and Bonds 1996--2003), Ruth leads Bonds in
WAR, H, HR, RBI, BA, OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+. That doesn't even take into consideration that Ruth spent 6 years pitching and not being a dominant outfielder.
For starting pitchers, there is just no way to put Pedro above Clemons and Johnson (especially if you are not dinging people for steroids).
Clayton Kershaw over Greg Maddux? Nope.
I know he played a bunch of different positions, but Pete rose deserves to be in there somewhere.
@@mastrum19 I had him ranked as outfield and I don’t see him being in the top 10 because the position is just so stacked.
Josh Gibson unfortunately never played in the MLB. How is he #1?
Clemente had 12 gold gloves and 4 batting titles and a World Series MVP ...Mke Trout zero gold gloves zero batting titles and will never play in a World Series
another young buck completely looking over Pete Rose and Bob Gibson.
Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio?
No Steve Carlton?
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Steve Carlton was a far superior pitcher than Ryan.
You put Ricky Henderson over Cobb? Jeter over Wagner?bonds 0 world series over Ruth? Your list and anything else you post is invalid
Ripken way too high on the list at SS. Got Brooks and Ozzie right though - you need some very good career O numbers to be considered top 5 at any position.
MIKE FREAKING MALONE TROUT AT 10!?!?!? WHAT THE HECK IS THIS LIST
@@Sam-oCole-i5y I’ve heard people say too high and too low which is it? If in hearing both I feel fine with where I ranked him.
Ripken. Pretty good defense? Are you high?
Thome played less than half his games at 1st and Mauer played half of his career at catcher.
Thome played more than half his games at 1B.
@@StevenRussellBASEBALL 1106 out of his 2543 games at 1B. That is less than half pal
@@threej44 What I had meant to say is that he played more games at 1B than any other position so I considered him at 1B. It's really the only positon that makes sense to rank him. To your other point, Mauer's peak was him at catcher so that's where I ranked him.
I have put Wagner above Hoffman.
No Carlos Beltran? Maybe 2nd greatest switch hitter?
Why did you not include designated hitters?
No Ozzie Smith
I suggest you look again in the top 10 shortstops. Ozzie Smith is mentioned.
There no way im taking Pujos over Gehrig. FranK Thomas was more of a Dh because he was horrible in the field. I can't take Ripken of Jeter. Jeter was a way better hitter.
I won't beat you up much, but in my opinion Hank Aaron was the best hitter of all time. Not just the OF position; every position. Then I would go with Babe Ruth, Willie Mays. Barry Bonds would be in my top 20 hitters of all time. You claimed Bonds had a "little help". Really bro ..... Look at Bonds' numbers after he turned 32. When almost everyone starts declining; Bonds actually got a lot better! I mean do you really think a mid 30's player could belt 73 HR? Without the juice; Bonds might have hit 40 HR that year. Without juice; Bonds would have probably hit 500 HR, but certainly not near enough to break Hank Aaron's HR record.
No Stan Musial is inexcusable
No Stan Musial? Biggest omission in my opinion.
If you 'lean' any way, don't call it the top 10 players.
How can yadi Molina not make a top ten????? no better catcher defensively
Shoutout Jim Thome
I'd like I'd like to sometimes compare people's all time picks to what baseball reference and analytics have to say Dude buster posey isn't even top 25
Right now!! Aaron Judge is better then all of them
Nolan Ryan is #1
Hell nah
No Reggie is crazy