The original concept of Tharizdun was the Emperor of all evil. He was imprisoned in a demiplane locked by an artifact broken into three parts, each one representing an alignment of evil. In the now non-canonical Gord The Rogue books, the artifact is found, and this leads to vast upheaval in the planes, with the forces of balance manipulating events to ensure only the demons possess the artifact, since their natural chaotic nature will prevent the joining of the artifacts. Entropy betrays everyone and frees Tharizdun, because Tharizdun will serve his own goals well. Tharizdun conquers the lower planes, and leads his armies against the other planes. He actually wins, but at the very last moment, Entropy turns on him and the two start to fight. This was actually a trap laid by the gods of time and fate, and they sever the connections between the planes Tharizdun and Entropy have conquered and the rest of reality. They figure Tharizdun and Entropy will battle for several billion years, and Entropy will win because it always wins in the end. Meanwhile they can create new universes free of the two fiends, and the recreate much of what was destroyed and killed in a new form. The modern conception of Tharizdun seems to have fused the original Tharizdun and Entropy. Gygax's Tharizdun didnt want to destroy the universe, but conquer and enslave it. He was Evil. Entropy simply wanted what Entropy wants..an empty universe of perfect stasis where nothing happens. Tharizdun was perfectly aware that his and Entropies goals would eventually conflict, but in his arrogance he thought he would find a way to destroy it. The final books of the Gord the Rogue series were written after Gygax had been forced out of TSR, and they were his way of ending his campaign world. As it says in the end..evil wins, and loses, but life goes on somewhere else.
They aren’t non-canonical in my world! I love those books. A few years ago I bought them and I’ve been rereading them. Just on book 2 for now, but these books are my go to for Greyhawk, Lore, and demon battles too. And of course, an over arcing campaign.
Tharizdun is my very favorite entity in dnd. The first campaign I ran with my current table, I had an insane Archmage trying to break tharizdun's chains. In response, the players caused the material plane planet they were on to become a link in one of his chains- basically making planar travel to that setting a one-way trip. This was not a good idea. The players have erased two demon lords from my setting because they rationalized that since they can't go back to the abyss, they should permanently die if killed there. It's been a really "fun" time figuring out how a lot of spells work.
@@oguzhanozgenc7843 Wow that was a while ago. Yeah I didn't have a lot of experience running the underdark and basically I was trying to figure out "okay, so, teleportation magic basically doesn't work, so which spells do things and which don't, also stuff like divination magic is gonna be messed up, also stuff like long distance communication is gonna be messed up" etc. Basically any time someone casted something I had a mini heart attack trying to figure out which thing was different about which spells. I don't recommend doing that. If you ever run a campaign like that, just use the barbarian wild magic table. it's fine.
Ik I've been in a lot of campaigns and kept my imagination alive for as long as possible but this is one of those i didn't know he was this guy. Gotta see how to go about with this guy as a horror campaign
In some versions of the Lore he's been battling copies of every other god in existence, it was implied he'd killed most of them already and was working his way towards freedom the whole time..
I find it interesting that chaos is often represented by a sickly orange in media Be it the Darksiders franchise, or even - more recently - Elden Ring And apparently D&D also Just an interesting thing I've noticed
@@The_NaturalOnes "he" is a sword, and that sword in that dwarves back looks just like it, the hilt is 95% the same. It sucks the souls out of its victims, i would say its pretty evil, though i don't remember the lore that well at this point.
@@The_NaturalOnes He's the one character in the series that could be described as heroic. Everyone else, including the other protagonist, is duplicitous and self serving.
He seems a lot like Leviathan. At least as father of the abyss, and the chained chaos. Though I guess he is more evil then chaos, yet he still feels like the same thing to me. Though if he is just a god gone mad, then maybe he is more akin to a demigod of Leviathan. As Leviathan is an aberration. Actually, rolling it over in my mind, it seems he got a chaos shard, which are a fragment of Leviathan's back spike. So maybe not Leviathan, but one of the first touched be him. Interesting.
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The original concept of Tharizdun was the Emperor of all evil. He was imprisoned in a demiplane locked by an artifact broken into three parts, each one representing an alignment of evil. In the now non-canonical Gord The Rogue books, the artifact is found, and this leads to vast upheaval in the planes, with the forces of balance manipulating events to ensure only the demons possess the artifact, since their natural chaotic nature will prevent the joining of the artifacts. Entropy betrays everyone and frees Tharizdun, because Tharizdun will serve his own goals well.
Tharizdun conquers the lower planes, and leads his armies against the other planes. He actually wins, but at the very last moment, Entropy turns on him and the two start to fight. This was actually a trap laid by the gods of time and fate, and they sever the connections between the planes Tharizdun and Entropy have conquered and the rest of reality. They figure Tharizdun and Entropy will battle for several billion years, and Entropy will win because it always wins in the end. Meanwhile they can create new universes free of the two fiends, and the recreate much of what was destroyed and killed in a new form.
The modern conception of Tharizdun seems to have fused the original Tharizdun and Entropy. Gygax's Tharizdun didnt want to destroy the universe, but conquer and enslave it. He was Evil. Entropy simply wanted what Entropy wants..an empty universe of perfect stasis where nothing happens. Tharizdun was perfectly aware that his and Entropies goals would eventually conflict, but in his arrogance he thought he would find a way to destroy it.
The final books of the Gord the Rogue series were written after Gygax had been forced out of TSR, and they were his way of ending his campaign world. As it says in the end..evil wins, and loses, but life goes on somewhere else.
Thank you for the incredible synopsis! 🤘😎
They aren’t non-canonical in my world! I love those books. A few years ago I bought them and I’ve been rereading them. Just on book 2 for now, but these books are my go to for Greyhawk, Lore, and demon battles too. And of course, an over arcing campaign.
@jackhartford521 gygax wasn't a great writer, except his battles. Gygax wrote fantastic battles and fights
It's always nice to see more videos about these comparatively obscure subjects.
Tharizdun is my very favorite entity in dnd. The first campaign I ran with my current table, I had an insane Archmage trying to break tharizdun's chains. In response, the players caused the material plane planet they were on to become a link in one of his chains- basically making planar travel to that setting a one-way trip.
This was not a good idea. The players have erased two demon lords from my setting because they rationalized that since they can't go back to the abyss, they should permanently die if killed there.
It's been a really "fun" time figuring out how a lot of spells work.
how a lot of spells work?
@@oguzhanozgenc7843 Wow that was a while ago. Yeah I didn't have a lot of experience running the underdark and basically I was trying to figure out "okay, so, teleportation magic basically doesn't work, so which spells do things and which don't, also stuff like divination magic is gonna be messed up, also stuff like long distance communication is gonna be messed up" etc.
Basically any time someone casted something I had a mini heart attack trying to figure out which thing was different about which spells. I don't recommend doing that. If you ever run a campaign like that, just use the barbarian wild magic table. it's fine.
@@oguzhanozgenc7843 Apparently I'm not allowed to respond to your comment. Cheers!
Ik I've been in a lot of campaigns and kept my imagination alive for as long as possible but this is one of those i didn't know he was this guy. Gotta see how to go about with this guy as a horror campaign
it's probably been locked away so long now that he's forgotten even wanting to destroy existence
Or that’s all he’s thought about, he’s just pure madness at this point
In some versions of the Lore he's been battling copies of every other god in existence, it was implied he'd killed most of them already and was working his way towards freedom the whole time..
Nice vid
good spoken and fitting music choice
i like :D
Thanks!
I'm just listening along about a mad God and stuff and I take a glance over, I see Whitemane art in frame and I just go. "Yeah that's about right." 😆
I find it interesting that chaos is often represented by a sickly orange in media
Be it the Darksiders franchise, or even - more recently - Elden Ring
And apparently D&D also
Just an interesting thing I've noticed
Ya I think red is taken, so I guess it has to be orange ish
purple and green are really common too (see: Sheogorath and Joker)
In Japan / anime it is always purple
0:27 looks like soul reaver, from legacy of kain. huh.
edit: I wrote "reaper" instead of reaver
Is he a well known evil?
@@The_NaturalOnes "he" is a sword, and that sword in that dwarves back looks just like it, the hilt is 95% the same. It sucks the souls out of its victims, i would say its pretty evil, though i don't remember the lore that well at this point.
@@The_NaturalOnes He's the one character in the series that could be described as heroic. Everyone else, including the other protagonist, is duplicitous and self serving.
Well done.
What is the song at 8:35?
Ngl if he looks like 10:22 he can corrupt me anytime 😶
Bro ☠️
The rod of seven parts is the key to the chained god
If I am not mistaken, the Rod is the key to Miska the Wolf-Spider.
@@D--FENS mishka is absolutely involved with it as well
He seems a lot like Leviathan. At least as father of the abyss, and the chained chaos. Though I guess he is more evil then chaos, yet he still feels like the same thing to me. Though if he is just a god gone mad, then maybe he is more akin to a demigod of Leviathan. As Leviathan is an aberration. Actually, rolling it over in my mind, it seems he got a chaos shard, which are a fragment of Leviathan's back spike. So maybe not Leviathan, but one of the first touched be him. Interesting.
I know it’s silly to ask. But what was that music in the very start of the video?
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