That thing about peaceful Orcs isn't from One DnD, but older editions (4th or 5th?). There is a tribe of Orcs that popped up in Faerun after the Spellplague that were more peaceful, and they came from a world where the Orcs had won and were the dominant species so they didn't need to fight anymore.
@@The_NaturalOnes Okay, so...I appear to have mixed up a couple of things. I was thinking of Gray Orcs, who appear in 3rd edition, but while they are more civilised and did come through a portal from a world dominated by Orcs, they are still typically ruthless and serve Gruumsh and other Orc deities fanatically. They are still less impulsively violent than the average Forgotten Realms Orc. There is, though, the Kingdom of Many-Arrows, which is a peaceful(ish) Orc kingdom in the North of Faerun, that sometimes engages in trade with it's non-Orc neighbours.
There also are the ondonati from 2e. They were pacifists who didn't worship Old One Eye and ended up enslaved by the Zhentarim who took advantage of their naivete. They think they originated as a group of orc orphans who were taught be devotees of Eldath. The Zhentarim were happy to use them as manual labor and tried to also turn them into killers with mixed results as they never were as violent as orcs. In 1360, the Tuigan Horde invaded and the Zhentarim were paid to field a force of 1000 orcs. After the Horde was defeated, the orcs peacefully settled near where the last battle was fought. Its speculated that these orcs were ondonati.
The origin story of Grumsh is word by word the story of Eshu from yoruba mythology except for the severely dumbed down ending of it. In the original story after all the gods drew their lots they laughed at Eshu - asking where he will go and he answered "wherever I will" and he became a messenger to the gods who cannot be denied from any place and this role made him one of the most important god as noone would get their offerings if he wouldn't allow it - if anyone wanted to hold a ritual for a god, he would have to invoke Eshu first to bring the message. This pretty much translated into voodoo later.
Thank you for reminding me that he was Lawful Evil in the beginning. In my setting, Grummsh supplanted the Norse pantheon and replaced the norse deities with his orcs. I am still putting it together in my setting, but that is my idea for a first step towards his revenge.
With a lot of lore in dnd it depends on edition and even then different artists have different interpretations. Currently 5e, the lore is that he has an eyepatch and the eye was taken by Corellon. A lot of orcs might assert that he was always had one eye though, like a cyclops
funny how that one eye orc reminds me so much of kilorog from world of warcraft thoguh he had to sacrafice a eye lik oden, so i wonder if they took some of his lore from D&d
@@The_NaturalOnes I'm just a little tired of people using strength and power as synonymous. Strength is a specific ability score, spells are usually the really powerful things in D&D
I've always liked Orcs in D&D to be the classic evil savage race because of their origins tied so closely to their deity. And they will fight Everyone else. Human, Goblin, Dwarf, Drow, Elf, Giant, bring it all on!
An angry, powerful douche that constantly picks fights, blames everyone else for everything and never lets anyone forget it... gee... wonder where they got the inspiration for a person like that. Hits a little close to everywhere.
Are you referencing someone in particular? Gruumsh “One-Eye”, “He who never sleeps”, “First power of the orcs,” has no equal, has no comparison. He is the only, the epitome, and the everything.
I'm fairly sure that the other races tell the story of the beginning very differently though. LoL. I always loved the Orcish version. The time of the Urük shall come.
I think it was from 3e lore, either Deities and Demigods or the Complete Divine from 3.5e. I don’t just make up this stuff haha but yes dnd lore conflicts all the time between editions and sources
It wasn't a fair fight. Lolth, before she became the Spider Queen, helped Corellan so she could succor Gruumsh and take him as an ally to take out Correllan so she could take control of the Elvish Pantheon. Coralpon Larethion eventually caught wind and stopped her. Thus began the story of the Spider Queen
Personally, I don't at all ascribe to 4th or 5th Edition lore unless it fits into my headcanon. That's just me tho. My headcanon of The Forgotten Realms stops at The Time of Troubles. Either play before, during, or after the events recorded in the Time of Troubles 2nd Ed. AD&D Lore.
I would far from call him the strongest. Most stubborn? More apt. Pretty sure Orcus or Demogorgon, who technically aren't even in gods, could wipe their asses with Gruumsh.
That thing about peaceful Orcs isn't from One DnD, but older editions (4th or 5th?).
There is a tribe of Orcs that popped up in Faerun after the Spellplague that were more peaceful, and they came from a world where the Orcs had won and were the dominant species so they didn't need to fight anymore.
Hmm I didn’t see this, it was mostly a joke since this was the only blurb in the new play test content. But thanks for the correction!
@@The_NaturalOnes Okay, so...I appear to have mixed up a couple of things.
I was thinking of Gray Orcs, who appear in 3rd edition, but while they are more civilised and did come through a portal from a world dominated by Orcs, they are still typically ruthless and serve Gruumsh and other Orc deities fanatically. They are still less impulsively violent than the average Forgotten Realms Orc.
There is, though, the Kingdom of Many-Arrows, which is a peaceful(ish) Orc kingdom in the North of Faerun, that sometimes engages in trade with it's non-Orc neighbours.
There also are the ondonati from 2e. They were pacifists who didn't worship Old One Eye and ended up enslaved by the Zhentarim who took advantage of their naivete. They think they originated as a group of orc orphans who were taught be devotees of Eldath. The Zhentarim were happy to use them as manual labor and tried to also turn them into killers with mixed results as they never were as violent as orcs.
In 1360, the Tuigan Horde invaded and the Zhentarim were paid to field a force of 1000 orcs. After the Horde was defeated, the orcs peacefully settled near where the last battle was fought. Its speculated that these orcs were ondonati.
5th Edition HERESY! LOL. Just joking man
The origin story of Grumsh is word by word the story of Eshu from yoruba mythology except for the severely dumbed down ending of it. In the original story after all the gods drew their lots they laughed at Eshu - asking where he will go and he answered "wherever I will" and he became a messenger to the gods who cannot be denied from any place and this role made him one of the most important god as noone would get their offerings if he wouldn't allow it - if anyone wanted to hold a ritual for a god, he would have to invoke Eshu first to bring the message. This pretty much translated into voodoo later.
Wow, very interesting stuff, I do find most of DnD is HEAVILY inspired by all different mythology’s and folklore
Thank you for reminding me that he was Lawful Evil in the beginning. In my setting, Grummsh supplanted the Norse pantheon and replaced the norse deities with his orcs. I am still putting it together in my setting, but that is my idea for a first step towards his revenge.
I didn't know he way a cyclops, i used to think that he just had a eyepatch
With a lot of lore in dnd it depends on edition and even then different artists have different interpretations. Currently 5e, the lore is that he has an eyepatch and the eye was taken by Corellon. A lot of orcs might assert that he was always had one eye though, like a cyclops
it's wonderful to hear the classic lore for Orc Mythology.
good job man!
Thank you!
funny how that one eye orc reminds me so much of kilorog from world of warcraft thoguh he had to sacrafice a eye lik oden, so i wonder if they took some of his lore from D&d
i enjoy that you present the lore with the angle that it is writ by an Orc or other wise fro their perspective.
The title should have an apostrophe to indicate possession: D&D's Strongest God.
You’ve saved my channel 🤝
Sounds like Orc mischief to me. Keep up the great work though. I really enjoy your content.
Thank you! Will do
Gruumsh is the most powerful Orc deity, but he is NOT the strongest. That would be his son, Baghtru (64 Str, 7 Int...)
Blasphemy! But yes this is true, he is physically stronger, but he is gruumshs son, so technically all of that strength is gruumshs
@@The_NaturalOnes I'm just a little tired of people using strength and power as synonymous. Strength is a specific ability score, spells are usually the really powerful things in D&D
We call the game D&D But we play "Gruumsh vs all". And curiously, he is not allied with Orcus... yet. But the Abyss has its own plans...
I've always liked Orcs in D&D to be the classic evil savage race because of their origins tied so closely to their deity. And they will fight Everyone else. Human, Goblin, Dwarf, Drow, Elf, Giant, bring it all on!
“Gruumsh is stupid and gross and I hear he doesn’t even have a proper wine cellar.” Corellon, probably
It's kinda a missed opportunity for Orcs and Cyclops to have unique relationship with each other.
An angry, powerful douche that constantly picks fights, blames everyone else for everything and never lets anyone forget it...
gee... wonder where they got the inspiration for a person like that. Hits a little close to everywhere.
Are you referencing someone in particular? Gruumsh “One-Eye”, “He who never sleeps”, “First power of the orcs,” has no equal, has no comparison. He is the only, the epitome, and the everything.
@@The_NaturalOnes He's green right? Not orange? Or a bear on a unicycle?
@@smackfanxion Yes, cuz green iz da best.
I play DCC for a reason. I used to love playing 3.5 & 2nd Ed. AD&D tho
Someone seems to love elves lol.
I'm fairly sure that the other races tell the story of the beginning very differently though. LoL. I always loved the Orcish version. The time of the Urük shall come.
First I've heard anyone call Corellion, the great changer, a little &$#@*. I approve.
Bravo!
I thought Gruumsh lost his eye when he allied with Lolth and assaulted the Elven gods. What were your sources for this video?
I think it was from 3e lore, either Deities and Demigods or the Complete Divine from 3.5e. I don’t just make up this stuff haha but yes dnd lore conflicts all the time between editions and sources
If Corellon took out 1 eye then Gruumsh would've started out with 2 eyes, and then that eye wouldn't be in the center
It wasn't a fair fight. Lolth, before she became the Spider Queen, helped Corellan so she could succor Gruumsh and take him as an ally to take out Correllan so she could take control of the Elvish Pantheon. Coralpon Larethion eventually caught wind and stopped her. Thus began the story of the Spider Queen
Green is better
Better than what?
@@The_NaturalOnes Everything else (I love my orc/k boys)
And da red onez go fasta
and you can't even see da purple ones
Waaaaaaagh !
Personally, I don't at all ascribe to 4th or 5th Edition lore unless it fits into my headcanon. That's just me tho. My headcanon of The Forgotten Realms stops at The Time of Troubles. Either play before, during, or after the events recorded in the Time of Troubles 2nd Ed. AD&D Lore.
in 2nded Orcs used to play possum rith the white flag or used it as targetting help
btw if you fight fair your tactics suck
I would far from call him the strongest. Most stubborn? More apt.
Pretty sure Orcus or Demogorgon, who technically aren't even in gods, could wipe their asses with Gruumsh.
Whats with this elf hate? Sheeeeesh xD
Orc content!
The new system sounds terrible
Well ya know each edition has some hits and misses
@The_NaturalOnes yeah your not wrong, but my favorite thing is orcs. I have 5 games of BG3 going on and I'm an Orc in 3 of them.
Orcish God of war? 🤔 Ok.
This reeks of orc propaganda!