Reminds me of after one mission in DC Universe Online, Robin tells you that Batman didn’t berate him for his frankly stupid mistake during the mission and remarks that “somehow that might be worse, actually….” That’s when you really know you messed up!
@@williamfalls if i were rich i would buy everything with everything i had and be poor not" useless" which is a savage comment for a shopkeeper who could have use for poor people like slavery i paid my taxes now u triple time or create a new nation other than lameria
I once asked my grandmother if she always wanted to be a teacher, she taught at the village school for all but her very first year qualified. She said "No, I always wanted to be a librarian but the only way to advance was by dead mens shoes and the library didn't have a very large crime section"! So perhaps Andy is correct about how you get new librarians.....
@@michaelandreipalon359 Fairly rational though. I mean, it would be pretty smart to make sure you weren't providing the methods for someone to take your job. How many bad guys in games already made the mistake of keeping their weakness in the closet on the way to their throne/lab/lair? Or instructions on how to kill them sitting on the coffee table as soon as you walk in?
Hehe, yeah, love and hate the idea of enemy base passwords being in so near and so vulnerable an area, especially if they're told to burn down the notes/delete the emails giving them said codes.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Well now, the "human" or maybe just partially human factor and being to lazy to burn/shred a password paper is kinda legit, as in happens pretty commonly. The case where you find a detailed study, or maybe a diary, describing exact weaknesses or secret passageways is where it really gets stupid. "Oh, my left butt cheek is very sensitive to being shot and I have a reaction to peanuts that leads to immediate death... I should write that in this book so I never forget those two very paralyzing issues!"
Don't forget the bird that sells oil and potions in Zelda: Twilight Princess. If you take oil and leave without paying, the bird'll fly after you and attack you a la cuckoo revenge squad
The one time that bird killed me, it was my first death in the game and it was entirely because I was running around trying to figure out _how to pay him_.
While Skyward Sword Beedle is a good pick, Breath of the Wild Beedle literally contemplates sending thugs to attack you if you refuse to trade energetic rhino beetles. Edit: He actually thinks about hiring someone to steal the beetle, not attack you.
@@savvythedivineyethuggable7493 I don't think so, as I've never refused the trade, but even thinking about putting a hit on Link over a beetle overshadows dropping a window shopper from your bike powered flying store, imo.
The other thing with the Kecleon is that the only way to recruit one of them is to steal and then defeat them, and it's not good odds to recruit so it's a slog
It has a literal negative recruitment chance, so you need to get a bunch of items to boost it from "impossible" to "Really freaking unlikely." For a kecleon. Seriously, wtf.
And it's not fun trying to make sure you get the last hit while also knowing that an endless army of kekleons is on the way. A group spawns by the stairs when you steal. Oh, and they are worth all of 5 exp a piece to kill. That's not very much considering they have 500 health and 255 in all stats, and have a permanent speed buff.
Reminder that along with everything else the angry Kecleon is constantly at double speed, meaning that unless you use a short lived buff for every action you take including steps while trying to flee Kecleon gets to make two.
@@edwardwang9209 There's an orb in the second game that lets you blow up all the walls on the entire floor. If you do that then the entire floor counts as one room and you can just waltz to the exit.
It does seem limited to Livestreams these days, sadly. I think the streams are easier/ quicker to produce so it makes sense to focus on them. Maybe we could get a "Show of the Month/ Year" with them in?
What can I say except you're welcome!? Honestly, he's a lot nicer after you've failed a lot and he just keeps bringing you some pretty neet stuff. You'll learn to appreciate him while you have him especially when you visit the reprieve areas.
@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley I think he stays your friend if you never attack him. I can't remember if he ever forgets about you killing him, though. I'll have to check.
"Death is too kind for you!" For forgetting to return a book you borrowed? Damn...OD is not joking around! Thank god you did not have an affair with his wife!
I actually share the librarian's opinion, though I prefer fining them excessively for neglecting such quality tomes, if not doodling on them. Now, burning books, regardless of make and quality, on the other hand...
@@rpgaholic8202 You make a valid point, with his dedication to protecting them, yet allowing you to take them for a short walk and experience the world outside their library since he must keep their home safe. BUT did you consider that maybe the librarian is actually just a "Book Pimp" coming to get his money if you kept one for a bit longer than you paid for?
Okay, I did not expect to get included. Anyways, thank you for getting Ring of Pain some attention. I used to like how he would bring me random trinkets to help me on my looping quest. When I first fought Owl, though... well... let's just say that, instead of bringing gifts, he brought a lot of Pain to go with all of that Ring.
After seeing Orlok Dracule pop up, I hope it's ok to share how he affected my DnD game? The world's largest library is actually managed by an Ancient Dragon, hording books because "knowledge is the greatest treasure." So far, none of my players have caught on. She appears as an old frail elf, and offers quests to retrieve overdue books, which she pays handsomely for.
Well, I feel like this is a very specific thing to base the character on. Even if this game was more widely known, I still think that a librarian asking people for books is a pretty simple concept.
My DnD character's old job was to collect overdue library books. Namely, those magical tomes that were checked out by ambitious wizards who suddenly decide they want to keep the knowledge for themselves, so the job was harder than you'd first assume.
so the reason why these shopkeeps are in powerful dungeons that mobs don't attack is because the enemies already know how strong these shopkeepers are, is this why no one takes on the storekeeper in RE4
Fun fact: in the explorers series if an enemy pokemon uses self destruct on a keckleon shop the keckleon will proceed to destroy that pokemon and will follow you through to the floor to beat up more hostile pokemon.
Okay, re4s merchant may be as fragile as a Champaign flute, but he also knows where to set up shop, and if you take a look at his primary storefronts (i.e. the merchant dock) even Leon will notice the guy is packing enough heat to start a small war. The guy is just too trusting of Leon and Ada...
Well as for Andre... He's a guy that strolls around in a world like darksouls, without any significant armor or a massive weapon, practicing his hobby of being a blacksmith and none of the murderous monsters disturb him. That should tell you all you need to know about it being a bad idea to piss him off.
@@chaosinc.382 Last I checked, Darksouls' dragon were not keen on having tea and biscuits with people passing by. Most likely, he did kill it (probably with his bare hands) OR it was so scared of him when he came through it had a heart attack. I guess its possible something else killed it, maybe it was a dragon with high cholesterol? But that still means it was to scared of the blacksmith to attack him.
"Not a sustainable business strategy" Mike, if you kill them with all that money, you get to pick it up at the end along with their money, i'd say that's not only sustainable, but genius! Edit- fixed name
As a kid I hated being called a Thief in Links Awakening. So I farmed plants like crazy to buy all I wanted. Ironically decades later. I steal everything not bolted down in games.
in the business, they have a special name, For-Kays, but they will rue the day they encounter the fabled Sprike (the combo trident, sword and useful spoon)
It's not exactly the most well-known game, but in otherworld legends, the shopkeeper is one of the most powerful enemies in the game, and he can kill you in a couple of hits if you are not careful. Also, he can dodge all of your attacks. You do get all of what he is selling for free if you defeat him, but if you try to attack him, just know that he does not mess around
The legend of Zelda: Links Awakening will always be a classic moment. where the shop keeper just straight up instant kills you, even if you have a magic potion. not only that, but you are branded a THIEF for the remainder of the game, and all the NPC's call you thief. In the DX remake, there's a special commemorative photo that can be taken of you stealing. LOL.
I remember playing the Etrian Mystery Dungeon in high school. Lizley from the Red Lion Shoppe will send out murderous red lions to kill you if you steal from her shop. It's possible to kill them and Lizley, but man they hit hard.
I don't remember what "mystery dungeon" game it was, but in that game, it was ridiculously hard. die once and you lose everything (including levels) that aren't in a bank...totally fresh character. I cheated to play more of it and the game is so ridiculously hard, there's only like 10 floors XD
Bro i recently played dead rising for the first time and well i already knew what to do through videos and not to brag but i defeated every first Psychopaths except Isabelle on first try Adam was a drag but after i got the chainsaw Oh yeah , OH HELL YEAH
Given its _rather unique_ and _very suspicious_ ability to Change into every Type, Merchant Kecleon is obviously Arceus in disguise, using some other move to impersonate a community of them.
I don't even play pokemon but my first thought was "he's just taking that cute chameleon form to dissuade people from trying to rip off the cute little critter, he's probably some Lovecraftian horror"
The bird that sells potions in twilight Princess! You can rip him off and he will just be kinda mad at you, but if you straight up steal from him he turns into a swooping unkillable enemy who's agro until you pay him.
Okay, you can't piss him off yourself, but Marcus Kincaid from borderlands, who enforces his "no refunds" policy by blowing out the kneecaps of customers with the guns they try to return for a refund.
Remember that time you tried to fix the Fast Travel system to get back to Sanctuary? Ended up in some sort of storage area? All of those safes, money boxes, ammo crates? Who stole from Marcus? You did! And Marcus didn't say a thing about it. Probably because he is making a fortune from all the guns you keep selling him.
@@Chris_Sizemore that was after you... ahem, "freed" angel... plus he knew you had your gun out and he'd likely lose in a fight against a professionally trained Merc or an absolute psychopath
One thing you forgot to mention about OD is that, once you beat him, you get the Standstill shard, which lets you do his time stop thing for yourself. It gulps up MP like crazy, though, so try not to overuse it.
You also need to collect his Shard to unlock a special item that gives you *INFINITE MP*. Meaning you can abuse the everlivin' daylights out of Standstill, even harder than he did to you.
@@DragonKnightJin Yep. Get all the shards, including OD's, and you get Gebel's Glasses, basically Bloodstained's answer to the Chaos Ring from the Sorrow 'vanias. And, once you have that, the entire game gets a metric truckload of cheese dumped on it.
Owl, sadly enough, looks like a bird with most of its wings ripped off, down to those sad little bones he is using as arms now. That second mouth reveal was every bit as initiating as the dev intended, you know you've screwed up if you see that.
If you faced a Kecleon in the main series games as well, you would know their small size belies their strength. Able to hit hard, take hits back, and shift type to hit for super-effective damage all the time.
@@MercuryA2000 I feel like Gamefreak should change that with Scarlet and Violet. Just either give him a regional form with a move like that (however they might do that), or just come up with a new move now like they did in older gens. Honestly, it's a missed opportunity for now
@@savvythedivineyethuggable7493 It does not, however they get the hidden ability Protean, which changes your type based off of YOUR attack. It's much more viable on Greninja though.
So some lessons I took from this; beware the lizard guild, get Duolingo demon edition, blacksmithing is far more profitable souls-wise than roast beef, Slenderman would fear Owl...
Whilst she doesn’t attack the player, the shopkeeper, Mel, in Power Stone 2 can be unlocked as a playable character, allowing the player to see just how violent she can be
@@chaosinc.382 Yeah, basically. He's also immune to status effects like frozen, so don't think you can cheese him that way either. I made that mistake.
Another thing of One Step From Eden's Shopkeeper, while when you're playing as her you don't get her crazy attacks she uses if you so choose to fight her, because she's a merchant, you can access her shop goods for free in any place in the game you can view your deck list from. Catch is, you need to spend money to restock it and while at first this sounds not like a hefty cost, you have to remember that Shopkeeper is like Tingle from those weird Tingle games the US never got: The Shopkeeper's money is her life. For every amount of money you have on her, her max HP changes to match that money. However, there is a way around this. If you have a Removal to remove the starting Artifact she has, her max HP will remain static to however amount of money she had on her before you removed it. Removals do more in One Step From Eden than merely remove cards from the deck. You can also use them to remove Artifacts you don't want anymore, and you can also use Removals to remove Pacts you bought from the shop, to eliminate any negative effects they may put on you, much earlier than normal, and keep your rewards from taking those Pacts. The only exception is Pacts that have their negative effects trigger instantly the moment you take them, like taking damage to HP for example
"That does not sound like a sustainable business strategy." Hey, you got to spend money to make money. Anyone injured by those stacks of money would likely need a salve or something that she could sell them, right?
Good to see the Kecleon Brothers this time. Definitely should have been on the first list. If you've already found the stairs on the level, and have a certain item (forget the name of it) you can warp to the stairs and make off with your ill gotten gains. Depending on which Mystery Dungeon game you're playing they may or may not pursue you on other floors.
You don't even need to know where they are iirc. I remember feeling so smug as a kid because I ate his pure seed to leave before he could even say "Thief!"
@@lucario774pika Depends on the game. I know in the older titles you can find the stairs and then use a Trawl Orb, which will pull his entire inventory to you. At which point you can hoover it up real fast and dive down the stairs before his friends show up.
@@JoshTigerheart I don't think it disables the pure seed, but stealing does disable escape orbs. So you can't just take everything, take a step, and escape orb out.
The Shopkeep from Crypt of the NecroDancer should totally be on the next one of these. The game straight up gives you a tutorial on how to fight and kill him titled, "how to get away with murder." He is still hands down one of the toughest enemies in the game. Definitely tougher than some of the early bosses. And, he sings beautifully whilst whipping the ever loving tar out of you.
Couple of things about this video. 1) Can't believe you gave Estinien a shoutout (He's the Azure Dragoon) 2) O.D. is definitely a Jojos reference. Swap those letters around and we have D.O. Or Dio. Add to that his ability to, stop time, summon a bunch of daggers and then start time again so you can't dodge them, and yeah, this is DEFINITELY a Jojos reference. With that out of the way, have we had anyone mentioning Trill, from Twilight Princess? She can be found early game in Ordon forest and sells you potions, and you can just take them without paying, but she does attack you if you do, which can be a death sentence early game with only 3 hearts.
@@savvythedivineyethuggable7493 When a discussion's kind of done and there's not really anything left to say so that chat kind of dies, but something happens to someone in the chat to make it relevant again and the conversation gains new life without feeling redundant it can feel very renewing in a very unexpected way.
I almost didn't comment this because it's pretty much the identical concept to kecleon in Pokemon mystery dungeon but merchant hero X from chocobo's mystery dungeon comes to mind, coming to the aid of any poor merchants who's wares are being stolen (though he thinks of it more as a game because he straight up tells you if you can make it out alive then you've earned it and can go free)
Morgan Freeman from South Park the fractured but whole is technically a merchant in the game. And probably the hardest boss fight in the base game outside of the DLC.
Funny since I'm currently playing PMD:DX right now and there's a Kecleon shop in the dungeon. Thank you for reminding me not to waste my Reviver Seeds 😂
@@akiseyu888 if I remember right, you have to be around level 50 if you intend to compete with them physically and even then, they will be around six times as strong as you are, otherwise, you have to rely on strategy to get you to the stairs before they can attack, such as with a pure seed
Oooof! I mean, I'm not entirely sure why anyone would CHOOSE to aggro a friendly blacksmith in Dark Souls, given what kind of game it is, but I suppose some people WILL do "kill everyone" runs. . .also, Owl looks like an evil Muppet, and I can't tell if that reduces the scare factor or not. O.o
I remember I was playing a Pokémon Mystery Dungeon game and was trying to check what an item was in Kekleon’s shop, so I picked it up, but I didn’t have the money for it, and I couldn’t figure out how to drop it
Still, no shop-keep is more aggressive than the Speunky ones. Countless times I've been killed by them without even being the one that pissed them off.
Yep, the previous video covered: Legend of Zelda Link's Awakening, Hades, Spelunky, Enter the Gungeon, Nier Automata, Crypt of the NecroDancer, and Bioshock Infinite.
That undead guy across the bridge of Fort Joy in Divinity Original Sin 2 When you reach him you usually aren't the highest level and so if he catches you stealing he will DESTROY you. If it's not your first time playing and you prepare beforehand then you'll be ok :D
That last one is rather hilarious 😂. Indeed, I've met a few librarians or Literature teachers who would absolutely go off like that guy if they had the ability to. And, as a former bookworm who has now slowed down, I probably would've been one as well! But seriously, imagine going to return an overdue library book and then hearing boss music. Or having to suit up for battle when you go to return it as you already know what's coming, lol!
You can't actually steal from him but anyway to mention Dark Souls makes it ok to put him on a list of merchants you don't want to steal from. A conundrum to be sure. Btw. The dungeon merchants in Torneko should never be stolen from without preparation haha.
I guess you could say that all of the shopkeepers in Darkwood are bald faced psychopaths. One's got an AK that he'll unload on you if you don't do his quest line. Which is still better than what he does if you do complete his questline.
...I am so not gonna play that game with the bloody "Owl"... even moreso in case that wretched thing is related to Hooty and Duolingo. ...Yeah, I'm with Orlok Dracule when it comes to proper library and book treatment and etiquette. Also, gotta love Miriam's "oops".
Charon from Hades hits like an f-ing truck when try to steal 300 coins from him, although if you best him you will get a 20% discount card for that run. Apparently Charon is also just very happy to finally have an honourable opponent
Oh is that why I never heard back when I applied for a job at my local library? I didnt know I needed to include my fighting style, weapon skills and dark magic prowess.
Interesting tidbit about O.D., if you take apart his full name and take into account the voice actor and the fact that he identifies himself as a vampire, you'll find out that Orlok Fahrenheit Dracul is actually Alucard from the Castlevania series. Igarashi-san, you sly devil, you!
Not only is he a reference to Alucard, with the voice actor and all that, but he is also a jojo reference. See the: time manipulation, use of daggers, and (most clear of all) the fact his nickname backwards is D.O. or DIO.
Bravely Default's "The Adventurer". He is the dungeon savepoint and merchant. However, he is also a secret boss battle by finding a secret path in the game's post game dungeon.
Lionel from Triangle Strategy. Not only is he the shopkeeper of your own base, selling you items and materials for upgrading your ever-expanding army's weaponry, he's also part of said army as a whip-wielding, silver-tongued merchant of death. From being able to enrage enemies with what can only be assumed to be insults about their financial habits, temporarily convincing them to change sides, to actually physically BEATING people with money.
Maybe they only played the later games that give you a second chance? When you say no in the later games, kekleon stops you on the edge of the carpet to ask for payment. If you say no, nothing happens until you step off the carpet. For the older games though, if you were spamming the B button, you'd tell him no, he'd consider that stealing, and attack!
There was a game I remember playing back in the 90’s, that was an RPG where you could accidentally throw your money at the shopkeepers, who would then have their bodyguards simply murder you. Edit: Looks like it was Dungeon Master 2
The parrot from Twilight Princess. While not as flashy as the others, if you take something and leave without paying he will begin to attack you relentlessly while you remain in the shop, and on EVERY subsequent visit unless you pay
reminds me of a time i accidentally asked a wizard at a guild to make an enchanted item...using a soul gem i stole from HIM! this made ALL THE WIZARDS IN THE GUILD ATTACK ME AT ONCE! good thing i saved the game first (in case the enchantment failed), so i was able to simply reload and get a different wizard to make the item.
@@savvythedivineyethuggable7493 honestly, I never bothered using him as an ally. Was more of a thing to get every pokemon. And imo, he's not useful for much of anything, similar to Castform and Magikarp.
@@dyingstar24 There's a TON of awesome music from Mystery Dungeon that would be AMAZING in Smash Bros. There are tons of places that would work as a stage, too. Most notably Sky Tower, Temporal Tower/Spire, Rainbow Stoneship, as well as any of the towns from the various games. Grovyle should really be in Smash as well. He has an awesome moveset and he's pretty much everyone's favorite character who played Time/Darkness/Sky.
@@kip258 the stage and music, yes. But, as much as I hate to say it, any pokemon you put in smash would be seen as "just another pokemon they added to the roster"
When I was a kid I played Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Blue Rescue Team. When I encountered a dungeon shop for the first time I picked up some items, then he asked me to pay as I left and I decided I didn’t want to spend that much so I said no thinking I could just put the items back. The horror of what happened next scarred me and I was terrified any time I saw a dungeon shop again. Especially when I learned you can accidentally steal with one of those orbs that pull all items on the floor to you. However, that’s the only way to encounter hostile Kecleons if you want to recruit one and I gotta catch ‘em all… So one day when I was level 100 at last, I stole deliberately and fought countless Kecleons. Eventually one did ask to join my team. When they join you, you can see what level they are. It’s 90. They were level 90. Chances are you weren’t anywhere near that level when you encountered a dungeon shop for the first time or even when finishing the story. Even maxed out at level 100, fighting a huge swarm of level 90 Pokémon is a struggle. I haven’t played PMD Rescue Team DX but I hope they made an easier way to get Kecleon.
You can try to recruit one near the end of Joyous Tower. It may help to have an escape orb handy if you don't want to risk your new weak recruit dying before you get out.
There´s a salesman in Deadcells that fits the "Violent" aspect. On the Bank level there are three shops, you can freely browse through their stock, if you choose to buy an item one of those shopkeepers has a random chance to accept violence instead of money and it's a real challenge to defeat it, but the reward is always the fully upgraded weapon two levels above what you expected.
Actually in the mystery dungeon games you can steal from keckleon shops by using escape orbs after taking all the items. The orbs have a greater chance of failing after leaving the shop and getting caught, but if used while still inside the shop floor, you escape with all the items scott-free with zero consequences.
I find it funny that because of Keckleon specifically, I never once tried to pissed off a shop keeper since. And even heeded the words of O.D. just so I didn't make him upset.
Morshu from the CD-i Zelda games doesn't attack you with fists. Instead, he just insults you for being poor, which hurts even more in some ways
Truly the most savage shopkeeper.
Reminds me of after one mission in DC Universe Online, Robin tells you that Batman didn’t berate him for his frankly stupid mistake during the mission and remarks that “somehow that might be worse, actually….”
That’s when you really know you messed up!
I know the pain.
No words are abstract and only takes souls to relieve it's been paid for.
@@williamfalls if i were rich i would buy everything with everything i had and be poor not" useless" which is a savage comment for a shopkeeper who could have use for poor people like slavery i paid my taxes now u triple time or create a new nation other than lameria
I once asked my grandmother if she always wanted to be a teacher, she taught at the village school for all but her very first year qualified. She said "No, I always wanted to be a librarian but the only way to advance was by dead mens shoes and the library didn't have a very large crime section"! So perhaps Andy is correct about how you get new librarians.....
That's... surprisingly deep.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Fairly rational though. I mean, it would be pretty smart to make sure you weren't providing the methods for someone to take your job. How many bad guys in games already made the mistake of keeping their weakness in the closet on the way to their throne/lab/lair? Or instructions on how to kill them sitting on the coffee table as soon as you walk in?
Hehe, yeah, love and hate the idea of enemy base passwords being in so near and so vulnerable an area, especially if they're told to burn down the notes/delete the emails giving them said codes.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Well now, the "human" or maybe just partially human factor and being to lazy to burn/shred a password paper is kinda legit, as in happens pretty commonly.
The case where you find a detailed study, or maybe a diary, describing exact weaknesses or secret passageways is where it really gets stupid.
"Oh, my left butt cheek is very sensitive to being shot and I have a reaction to peanuts that leads to immediate death... I should write that in this book so I never forget those two very paralyzing issues!"
So much for private diaries.
'Friends, I fucked around and I found out.' shouldn't have been as amusing as it was.
Don't forget the bird that sells oil and potions in Zelda: Twilight Princess. If you take oil and leave without paying, the bird'll fly after you and attack you a la cuckoo revenge squad
He must've killed me at least 4 times before I realised you could appease him by paying a single rupee.
The one time that bird killed me, it was my first death in the game and it was entirely because I was running around trying to figure out _how to pay him_.
Ah, him! Yeah, I usually pay him what I owe him with a small tip because I appreciate his service.
@@LadyOnikara you can pay him one rupee and he’ll never attack you, but he will be super disappointed
While Skyward Sword Beedle is a good pick, Breath of the Wild Beedle literally contemplates sending thugs to attack you if you refuse to trade energetic rhino beetles.
Edit: He actually thinks about hiring someone to steal the beetle, not attack you.
Wait, does he ever actually send people after you?
@@savvythedivineyethuggable7493 I don't think so, as I've never refused the trade, but even thinking about putting a hit on Link over a beetle overshadows dropping a window shopper from your bike powered flying store, imo.
Oh my goodness, I didn't know that! He's always so excited (and disappointed if you refuse) that I can't refuse him.
@@petersimpson4648 I always refuse the trade - nothing ever happens to you, Beedle will just ask you about it EVERY time you want to sell to him
@@icecreamget Thanks for the info!
The other thing with the Kecleon is that the only way to recruit one of them is to steal and then defeat them, and it's not good odds to recruit so it's a slog
Yea I know I think the percentage is less than 1%
And you (possibly) need every recruitment buff possible in the older games, just to get that tiny chance.
It has a literal negative recruitment chance, so you need to get a bunch of items to boost it from "impossible" to "Really freaking unlikely." For a kecleon. Seriously, wtf.
If I recall correctly, if you have every possible friendship buff active at once, the likelihood of recruiting Kecleon becomes 0.1%
And it's not fun trying to make sure you get the last hit while also knowing that an endless army of kekleons is on the way. A group spawns by the stairs when you steal. Oh, and they are worth all of 5 exp a piece to kill. That's not very much considering they have 500 health and 255 in all stats, and have a permanent speed buff.
I think the hardest punishment of all was the loss of their approval, and the dying part
In that order.
The approval hurts more tbh.
Reminder that along with everything else the angry Kecleon is constantly at double speed, meaning that unless you use a short lived buff for every action you take including steps while trying to flee Kecleon gets to make two.
And not just the shopkeeper Kekleon, but every one of the never-ending army that will spawn as long as you linger on that floor as well.
did one version of them have double team as well?
Not sure about the new games but in the original games I could just steal everything and teleport myself to the stairs with a pure seed to get away
@@edwardwang9209 Exactly what I was thinking. And have my team wait a safe distance away as to not chance any of them getting hit.
@@edwardwang9209 There's an orb in the second game that lets you blow up all the walls on the entire floor. If you do that then the entire floor counts as one room and you can just waltz to the exit.
I do like these commenter editions, it gives a cool insight into what the community remembers
And apparently we all remember Kecleon wiping your party cause you accidentally hit the wrong button.
Back when they used to do a scripted Show of the Week, they used to do even more commenter engagement. Miss those days 🥲
It does seem limited to Livestreams these days, sadly. I think the streams are easier/ quicker to produce so it makes sense to focus on them. Maybe we could get a "Show of the Month/ Year" with them in?
I'm assuming Jane captured the Pokémon footage. Naming it "Pikajane" is almost excessively adorable.
it truly is she gets more and more perfect.
*sees owl “nope. Don’t like that.”
*sees owls transformed form “NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE”
What can I say except you're welcome!?
Honestly, he's a lot nicer after you've failed a lot and he just keeps bringing you some pretty neet stuff. You'll learn to appreciate him while you have him especially when you visit the reprieve areas.
I think I’m going to have nightmares. I hate birds already, but THOSE TEETH!? NO THANK YOU!
@@savvythedivineyethuggable7493 Does he remain your ally through the whole game if you don't turn on him? And can you beat him if you do betray him?
@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley I think he stays your friend if you never attack him.
I can't remember if he ever forgets about you killing him, though. I'll have to check.
Nightmare furby
Speaking as a librarian, that is the accurate way new librarians are chosen.
(Tekken announcer voice) "Get ready for the next battle!"
"Death is too kind for you!"
For forgetting to return a book you borrowed?
Damn...OD is not joking around! Thank god you did not have an affair with his wife!
Like seriously. That didn't even give you the chance to say "Oops, sorry, here you go!" before he opened up a whole library of but kicking.
I actually share the librarian's opinion, though I prefer fining them excessively for neglecting such quality tomes, if not doodling on them.
Now, burning books, regardless of make and quality, on the other hand...
What are you talking about? His books are his wives.
@@rpgaholic8202 You make a valid point, with his dedication to protecting them, yet allowing you to take them for a short walk and experience the world outside their library since he must keep their home safe.
BUT did you consider that maybe the librarian is actually just a "Book Pimp" coming to get his money if you kept one for a bit longer than you paid for?
That line is a also a reference to Castlevania Symphony of the Night. Voice Actor for Orlok is the Original Voice actor for Alucard.
Okay, I did not expect to get included.
Anyways, thank you for getting Ring of Pain some attention. I used to like how he would bring me random trinkets to help me on my looping quest. When I first fought Owl, though... well... let's just say that, instead of bringing gifts, he brought a lot of Pain to go with all of that Ring.
Just discovered I had the game in my Steam library. I don't remember buying it, but will give it a try this weekend!
@@AlienDenzil85 Ha!
He's also very scary
(Well more because he opens his 2nd Mouth)
After seeing Orlok Dracule pop up, I hope it's ok to share how he affected my DnD game? The world's largest library is actually managed by an Ancient Dragon, hording books because "knowledge is the greatest treasure."
So far, none of my players have caught on. She appears as an old frail elf, and offers quests to retrieve overdue books, which she pays handsomely for.
Well, I feel like this is a very specific thing to base the character on. Even if this game was more widely known, I still think that a librarian asking people for books is a pretty simple concept.
That´s an actually pretty cool setup. Retrieving overdue magical tomes is no easy task I can imagine.
My DnD character's old job was to collect overdue library books. Namely, those magical tomes that were checked out by ambitious wizards who suddenly decide they want to keep the knowledge for themselves, so the job was harder than you'd first assume.
I'd love this kind of library.
so the reason why these shopkeeps are in powerful dungeons that mobs don't attack is because the enemies already know how strong these shopkeepers are, is this why no one takes on the storekeeper in RE4
Fun fact: in the explorers series if an enemy pokemon uses self destruct on a keckleon shop the keckleon will proceed to destroy that pokemon and will follow you through to the floor to beat up more hostile pokemon.
Okay, re4s merchant may be as fragile as a Champaign flute, but he also knows where to set up shop, and if you take a look at his primary storefronts (i.e. the merchant dock) even Leon will notice the guy is packing enough heat to start a small war. The guy is just too trusting of Leon and Ada...
Well as for Andre... He's a guy that strolls around in a world like darksouls, without any significant armor or a massive weapon, practicing his hobby of being a blacksmith and none of the murderous monsters disturb him.
That should tell you all you need to know about it being a bad idea to piss him off.
"Wow there's a dead dragon a stones throw away from his position and it looks fresh.
... I wonder if there's a correlation."
@@chaosinc.382 Last I checked, Darksouls' dragon were not keen on having tea and biscuits with people passing by. Most likely, he did kill it (probably with his bare hands) OR it was so scared of him when he came through it had a heart attack. I guess its possible something else killed it, maybe it was a dragon with high cholesterol? But that still means it was to scared of the blacksmith to attack him.
"Not a sustainable business strategy" Mike, if you kill them with all that money, you get to pick it up at the end along with their money, i'd say that's not only sustainable, but genius!
Edit- fixed name
That was Mike, not Andy
As a kid I hated being called a Thief in Links Awakening. So I farmed plants like crazy to buy all I wanted. Ironically decades later. I steal everything not bolted down in games.
THIS
As a deli worker, I can confirm the roast beef is stored directly next to the tridents.
in the business, they have a special name, For-Kays, but they will rue the day they encounter the fabled Sprike (the combo trident, sword and useful spoon)
Doesn't this mean you *should* steal from Renon, instead of buying?
It's not exactly the most well-known game, but in otherworld legends, the shopkeeper is one of the most powerful enemies in the game, and he can kill you in a couple of hits if you are not careful. Also, he can dodge all of your attacks. You do get all of what he is selling for free if you defeat him, but if you try to attack him, just know that he does not mess around
Glad to know the cost of a human soul is 30000 gold. Thanks Renon!
I wonder if that includes VAT.
Seems excessive. Mario can get one for just 100.
The legend of Zelda: Links Awakening will always be a classic moment.
where the shop keeper just straight up instant kills you, even if you have a magic potion. not only that, but you are branded a THIEF for the remainder of the game, and all the NPC's call you thief.
In the DX remake, there's a special commemorative photo that can be taken of you stealing. LOL.
I remember playing the Etrian Mystery Dungeon in high school. Lizley from the Red Lion Shoppe will send out murderous red lions to kill you if you steal from her shop. It's possible to kill them and Lizley, but man they hit hard.
I don't remember what "mystery dungeon" game it was, but in that game, it was ridiculously hard. die once and you lose everything (including levels) that aren't in a bank...totally fresh character. I cheated to play more of it and the game is so ridiculously hard, there's only like 10 floors XD
The first time I ever stole an apple from a kecleon in pokemon mystery dungeon sky I knew I screwed up. Attack of the kecleon clones!!!
pfft, you think that's bad? ANYTHING which displaces an item from the store will trigger them, that includes traps, explosions, items, etc
The Gun Store from Dead Rising. You eventually have to beat him, but it is tough the first time around.
Cletus is not a merchant unless you are playing the shitty Wii port
Bro i recently played dead rising for the first time and well i already knew what to do through videos
and not to brag but i defeated every first Psychopaths except Isabelle on first try
Adam was a drag but after i got the chainsaw
Oh yeah , OH HELL YEAH
Given its _rather unique_ and _very suspicious_ ability to Change into every Type, Merchant Kecleon is obviously Arceus in disguise, using some other move to impersonate a community of them.
I don't even play pokemon but my first thought was "he's just taking that cute chameleon form to dissuade people from trying to rip off the cute little critter, he's probably some Lovecraftian horror"
The bird that sells potions in twilight Princess!
You can rip him off and he will just be kinda mad at you, but if you straight up steal from him he turns into a swooping unkillable enemy who's agro until you pay him.
What's more dangerous these shopkeepers or Jane when someone steals her lunch from the office fridge?
Jane, definitely Jane.
There was once, long ago, a sixth presenter on the Oxboxtra crew. They stole Jane's lunch. Now there are five.
@@jorvach9874 They stole it, then became it.
@@jorvach9874 Fewer if you remember how many Mike clones they've gone through.
1. Talk about a Karma Chameleon...
Funny thing with Keckleon is that Color change is a DETRIMENT vs Dragons and Ghosts, as they're weak to their own type.
I guess you can say that, when it comes to going against a Kecleon... It comes and goes
Okay, you can't piss him off yourself, but Marcus Kincaid from borderlands, who enforces his "no refunds" policy by blowing out the kneecaps of customers with the guns they try to return for a refund.
And that was just the intro to the dude.
Remember that time you tried to fix the Fast Travel system to get back to Sanctuary? Ended up in some sort of storage area? All of those safes, money boxes, ammo crates? Who stole from Marcus? You did! And Marcus didn't say a thing about it. Probably because he is making a fortune from all the guns you keep selling him.
@@Chris_Sizemore that was after you... ahem, "freed" angel... plus he knew you had your gun out and he'd likely lose in a fight against a professionally trained Merc or an absolute psychopath
"Learn ancient demonic and then read the smallprint, advice for life" - well, advice for Oxventure, at least!
Her username in Mystery Dungeon is Pikajane. That's too damn cute
One thing you forgot to mention about OD is that, once you beat him, you get the Standstill shard, which lets you do his time stop thing for yourself. It gulps up MP like crazy, though, so try not to overuse it.
You also need to collect his Shard to unlock a special item that gives you *INFINITE MP*.
Meaning you can abuse the everlivin' daylights out of Standstill, even harder than he did to you.
@@DragonKnightJin
Yep. Get all the shards, including OD's, and you get Gebel's Glasses, basically Bloodstained's answer to the Chaos Ring from the Sorrow 'vanias. And, once you have that, the entire game gets a metric truckload of cheese dumped on it.
ZA WARUDO
@@dro5888
That is the lowest of low-hanging fruit
MEIDO IN HEBUN
Owl, sadly enough, looks like a bird with most of its wings ripped off, down to those sad little bones he is using as arms now. That second mouth reveal was every bit as initiating as the dev intended, you know you've screwed up if you see that.
If you faced a Kecleon in the main series games as well, you would know their small size belies their strength. Able to hit hard, take hits back, and shift type to hit for super-effective damage all the time.
never mess with kecleon.
Quick question: does its ability, Color Change, also change the type of the moves it has?
@@savvythedivineyethuggable7493 Nope! It really should get a signature move that does that, but Kecleon is pretty much doomed to not having stab.
@@MercuryA2000 I feel like Gamefreak should change that with Scarlet and Violet. Just either give him a regional form with a move like that (however they might do that), or just come up with a new move now like they did in older gens.
Honestly, it's a missed opportunity for now
@@savvythedivineyethuggable7493 It does not, however they get the hidden ability Protean, which changes your type based off of YOUR attack. It's much more viable on Greninja though.
Missed the opportunity to make a joke about Link becoming a “Beedle Bomb”.
Beedlebaum...? Nothing?
So some lessons I took from this; beware the lizard guild, get Duolingo demon edition, blacksmithing is far more profitable souls-wise than roast beef, Slenderman would fear Owl...
And never be late with your library books!
Whilst she doesn’t attack the player, the shopkeeper, Mel, in Power Stone 2 can be unlocked as a playable character, allowing the player to see just how violent she can be
Minor point of correction: Owl is the final boss regardless of whether or not you kill him if you choose to extinguish the candle.
So attacking him early is suicidal, just early. Huh.
@@chaosinc.382 Yeah, basically. He's also immune to status effects like frozen, so don't think you can cheese him that way either.
I made that mistake.
@@AzriusN ok oh yikes
15:59 There's something about that voiced "Oops" I find absolutely hilarious.
So glad to hear big youtubers talking about Ring of Pain! Bringing attention to small Aussie indie developers.
Another thing of One Step From Eden's Shopkeeper, while when you're playing as her you don't get her crazy attacks she uses if you so choose to fight her, because she's a merchant, you can access her shop goods for free in any place in the game you can view your deck list from. Catch is, you need to spend money to restock it and while at first this sounds not like a hefty cost, you have to remember that Shopkeeper is like Tingle from those weird Tingle games the US never got: The Shopkeeper's money is her life. For every amount of money you have on her, her max HP changes to match that money. However, there is a way around this. If you have a Removal to remove the starting Artifact she has, her max HP will remain static to however amount of money she had on her before you removed it. Removals do more in One Step From Eden than merely remove cards from the deck. You can also use them to remove Artifacts you don't want anymore, and you can also use Removals to remove Pacts you bought from the shop, to eliminate any negative effects they may put on you, much earlier than normal, and keep your rewards from taking those Pacts. The only exception is Pacts that have their negative effects trigger instantly the moment you take them, like taking damage to HP for example
"That does not sound like a sustainable business strategy." Hey, you got to spend money to make money. Anyone injured by those stacks of money would likely need a salve or something that she could sell them, right?
Wait a moment... A vampire, capable of freezing time and throwing knives at you? I'm pretty sure I've heard that before...
ZA WARUDO!
O.D... D.O... hmmm..
Yep that definitely sounds familiar.
How bizzare
Barbie's adventure in Egypt.
Good to see the Kecleon Brothers this time. Definitely should have been on the first list.
If you've already found the stairs on the level, and have a certain item (forget the name of it) you can warp to the stairs and make off with your ill gotten gains.
Depending on which Mystery Dungeon game you're playing they may or may not pursue you on other floors.
Do you mean the pure seed?
You don't even need to know where they are iirc. I remember feeling so smug as a kid because I ate his pure seed to leave before he could even say "Thief!"
I'm pretty sure it disables things like that.
@@lucario774pika Depends on the game. I know in the older titles you can find the stairs and then use a Trawl Orb, which will pull his entire inventory to you. At which point you can hoover it up real fast and dive down the stairs before his friends show up.
@@JoshTigerheart I don't think it disables the pure seed, but stealing does disable escape orbs. So you can't just take everything, take a step, and escape orb out.
The Shopkeep from Crypt of the NecroDancer should totally be on the next one of these. The game straight up gives you a tutorial on how to fight and kill him titled, "how to get away with murder." He is still hands down one of the toughest enemies in the game. Definitely tougher than some of the early bosses. And, he sings beautifully whilst whipping the ever loving tar out of you.
Wasn't he in the first video?
Couple of things about this video.
1) Can't believe you gave Estinien a shoutout (He's the Azure Dragoon)
2) O.D. is definitely a Jojos reference. Swap those letters around and we have D.O. Or Dio. Add to that his ability to, stop time, summon a bunch of daggers and then start time again so you can't dodge them, and yeah, this is DEFINITELY a Jojos reference.
With that out of the way, have we had anyone mentioning Trill, from Twilight Princess? She can be found early game in Ordon forest and sells you potions, and you can just take them without paying, but she does attack you if you do, which can be a death sentence early game with only 3 hearts.
Some of these commenter editions feel like when the old snapchat group chat comes back to life.
I don't know how that feels. Could you please explain.
@@savvythedivineyethuggable7493 When a discussion's kind of done and there's not really anything left to say so that chat kind of dies, but something happens to someone in the chat to make it relevant again and the conversation gains new life without feeling redundant it can feel very renewing in a very unexpected way.
@@daviddo658 Oh. Yeah, this kind of does feel like that.
I almost didn't comment this because it's pretty much the identical concept to kecleon in Pokemon mystery dungeon but merchant hero X from chocobo's mystery dungeon comes to mind, coming to the aid of any poor merchants who's wares are being stolen (though he thinks of it more as a game because he straight up tells you if you can make it out alive then you've earned it and can go free)
Morgan Freeman from South Park the fractured but whole is technically a merchant in the game. And probably the hardest boss fight in the base game outside of the DLC.
Just to clarify, kecleon has 2 lasting weaknesses. Ghost and Dragon types are super effective against themselves.
don't forget that party members also attack, changing Kecleon's type regardless of your strategy
Thank you for adding Castlevania 64s shop keeper! He often gets forgotten about!
Funny since I'm currently playing PMD:DX right now and there's a Kecleon shop in the dungeon. Thank you for reminding me not to waste my Reviver Seeds 😂
You might be interested in other seeds, though
Ever stole from them before?
@@hugofontes5708 Nah, my Pokemon don't really have a death wish 😂
@@akiseyu888 if I remember right, you have to be around level 50 if you intend to compete with them physically and even then, they will be around six times as strong as you are, otherwise, you have to rely on strategy to get you to the stairs before they can attack, such as with a pure seed
The one that always gives me the terrors is the Shopkeeper from Dungeons of Dredmor. For such a comedy-focused game, dude has *no* sense of humor.
So glad to see Ring of Pain featured in this list, such a cool game deserves more attention.
Couldn't agree more. Good to see fellow fans as well.
Whoo! Mentioned on Orlok Dracule! My day has been made!
Oooof! I mean, I'm not entirely sure why anyone would CHOOSE to aggro a friendly blacksmith in Dark Souls, given what kind of game it is, but I suppose some people WILL do "kill everyone" runs. . .also, Owl looks like an evil Muppet, and I can't tell if that reduces the scare factor or not. O.o
oh, i heard that it's possible to attack him by accident by pressing the wrong button...
I remember I was playing a Pokémon Mystery Dungeon game and was trying to check what an item was in Kekleon’s shop, so I picked it up, but I didn’t have the money for it, and I couldn’t figure out how to drop it
Still, no shop-keep is more aggressive than the Speunky ones. Countless times I've been killed by them without even being the one that pissed them off.
I thought they already covered those.
It's cause they're unionized.
Yep, the previous video covered: Legend of Zelda Link's Awakening, Hades, Spelunky, Enter the Gungeon, Nier Automata, Crypt of the NecroDancer, and Bioshock Infinite.
Now I understand why it takes 6 years to become a librarian. You'll have to learn how to win a duel!
I feel like Volo from Pokemon Legends: Arceus should be on the top of the list of merchants to not have mad at you
That is a good one. He straight up orders Giratina to murder you.
Missed these old school list they're most definitely welcome back
They've been going strong for years.
Before watching: well Spelunky's going to be in this one.
Moments later: wait, this is the commenter edition. Spelunky was in the last one :D
That undead guy across the bridge of Fort Joy in Divinity Original Sin 2
When you reach him you usually aren't the highest level and so if he catches you stealing he will DESTROY you.
If it's not your first time playing and you prepare beforehand then you'll be ok :D
So I guess the only thing you steal from Beedle are the extra calories he burns keeping the shop afloat with Link aboard.
That last one is rather hilarious 😂. Indeed, I've met a few librarians or Literature teachers who would absolutely go off like that guy if they had the ability to. And, as a former bookworm who has now slowed down, I probably would've been one as well!
But seriously, imagine going to return an overdue library book and then hearing boss music. Or having to suit up for battle when you go to return it as you already know what's coming, lol!
The shopkeeper in Abyss Odyssey is capable selling you stuff, or giving you XP and/or elemental weapon if you can kill him.
You can't actually steal from him but anyway to mention Dark Souls makes it ok to put him on a list of merchants you don't want to steal from. A conundrum to be sure.
Btw. The dungeon merchants in Torneko should never be stolen from without preparation haha.
I learn everything about Pokemon from these guys
Seems like DIO took a break from trying to destroy the Joestar bloodline and founded a library in the meantime
I guess you could say that all of the shopkeepers in Darkwood are bald faced psychopaths. One's got an AK that he'll unload on you if you don't do his quest line. Which is still better than what he does if you do complete his questline.
I bet Kecleon taught someone not to steal in real life.
...I am so not gonna play that game with the bloody "Owl"... even moreso in case that wretched thing is related to Hooty and Duolingo.
...Yeah, I'm with Orlok Dracule when it comes to proper library and book treatment and etiquette. Also, gotta love Miriam's "oops".
Charon from Hades hits like an f-ing truck when try to steal 300 coins from him, although if you best him you will get a 20% discount card for that run. Apparently Charon is also just very happy to finally have an honourable opponent
Oh is that why I never heard back when I applied for a job at my local library? I didnt know I needed to include my fighting style, weapon skills and dark magic prowess.
Interesting tidbit about O.D., if you take apart his full name and take into account the voice actor and the fact that he identifies himself as a vampire, you'll find out that Orlok Fahrenheit Dracul is actually Alucard from the Castlevania series. Igarashi-san, you sly devil, you!
Not only is he a reference to Alucard, with the voice actor and all that, but he is also a jojo reference. See the: time manipulation, use of daggers, and (most clear of all) the fact his nickname backwards is D.O. or DIO.
The bird who sells potions and lantern oil in Twilight Princess
“What are you gonna do, stab me?”
_gets stabbed_
Bravely Default's "The Adventurer". He is the dungeon savepoint and merchant. However, he is also a secret boss battle by finding a secret path in the game's post game dungeon.
Lionel from Triangle Strategy. Not only is he the shopkeeper of your own base, selling you items and materials for upgrading your ever-expanding army's weaponry, he's also part of said army as a whip-wielding, silver-tongued merchant of death. From being able to enrage enemies with what can only be assumed to be insults about their financial habits, temporarily convincing them to change sides, to actually physically BEATING people with money.
Good to see Kecleon finally getting some justice! Though I'm still not sure how that hidden superboss failed to make the cut for the first video....
Maybe they only played the later games that give you a second chance? When you say no in the later games, kekleon stops you on the edge of the carpet to ask for payment. If you say no, nothing happens until you step off the carpet.
For the older games though, if you were spamming the B button, you'd tell him no, he'd consider that stealing, and attack!
The Atelier franchise is basically about being these shopkeepers, with the plot of Atelier Rorona being just "keep you shop open."
There was a game I remember playing back in the 90’s, that was an RPG where you could accidentally throw your money at the shopkeepers, who would then have their bodyguards simply murder you.
Edit: Looks like it was Dungeon Master 2
The parrot from Twilight Princess. While not as flashy as the others, if you take something and leave without paying he will begin to attack you relentlessly while you remain in the shop, and on EVERY subsequent visit unless you pay
Ra'virr, from Morrowind. While all shopkeepers get violent when you steal from them, he's the only one who beats you down with a giant warhammer.
reminds me of a time i accidentally asked a wizard at a guild to make an enchanted item...using a soul gem i stole from HIM!
this made ALL THE WIZARDS IN THE GUILD ATTACK ME AT ONCE!
good thing i saved the game first (in case the enchantment failed), so i was able to simply reload and get a different wizard to make the item.
That librarian dude is 100% a jojo reference- he straight up uses the world and flings knives at you, plus hes a vampire
Currently applying for library jobs now I'm almost done with school and realizing I'm in for a much harder time than I expected
I loved the t-shirt creator callback
Not sure if this counts, but in Minecraft the iron golems will absolutely wreck you if you smack a villager one too many times.
Kecleon still gives me nightmares with his recruitment on the PMD games..
Was he worth the effort? Like, was he useful as an ally?
@@savvythedivineyethuggable7493 honestly, I never bothered using him as an ally. Was more of a thing to get every pokemon. And imo, he's not useful for much of anything, similar to Castform and Magikarp.
In my culture, owls are harbingers of death and to see one is like being cursed to die; especially if you see three of them
MYSTERY DUNGEON!
Now if only we'd get representation in Smash Brothers.
How? The only possible way to do that would be a stage and a couple music tracks
@@dyingstar24 There's a TON of awesome music from Mystery Dungeon that would be AMAZING in Smash Bros. There are tons of places that would work as a stage, too. Most notably Sky Tower, Temporal Tower/Spire, Rainbow Stoneship, as well as any of the towns from the various games.
Grovyle should really be in Smash as well. He has an awesome moveset and he's pretty much everyone's favorite character who played Time/Darkness/Sky.
@@kip258 the stage and music, yes. But, as much as I hate to say it, any pokemon you put in smash would be seen as "just another pokemon they added to the roster"
@@dyingstar24 Better than Fire Emblem :D
@@kip258 yeah but it's getting to that point...
At least in my opinion.
When I was a kid I played Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Blue Rescue Team. When I encountered a dungeon shop for the first time I picked up some items, then he asked me to pay as I left and I decided I didn’t want to spend that much so I said no thinking I could just put the items back. The horror of what happened next scarred me and I was terrified any time I saw a dungeon shop again. Especially when I learned you can accidentally steal with one of those orbs that pull all items on the floor to you.
However, that’s the only way to encounter hostile Kecleons if you want to recruit one and I gotta catch ‘em all… So one day when I was level 100 at last, I stole deliberately and fought countless Kecleons. Eventually one did ask to join my team. When they join you, you can see what level they are.
It’s 90. They were level 90. Chances are you weren’t anywhere near that level when you encountered a dungeon shop for the first time or even when finishing the story. Even maxed out at level 100, fighting a huge swarm of level 90 Pokémon is a struggle.
I haven’t played PMD Rescue Team DX but I hope they made an easier way to get Kecleon.
You can try to recruit one near the end of Joyous Tower. It may help to have an escape orb handy if you don't want to risk your new weak recruit dying before you get out.
"Be good, for goodness sake," just murdered me. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
There´s a salesman in Deadcells that fits the "Violent" aspect. On the Bank level there are three shops, you can freely browse through their stock, if you choose to buy an item one of those shopkeepers has a random chance to accept violence instead of money and it's a real challenge to defeat it, but the reward is always the fully upgraded weapon two levels above what you expected.
Monstrous ferocity of a ferocious monster.
I mean it's not what I expected, but it checks out.
Actually in the mystery dungeon games you can steal from keckleon shops by using escape orbs after taking all the items. The orbs have a greater chance of failing after leaving the shop and getting caught, but if used while still inside the shop floor, you escape with all the items scott-free with zero consequences.
I find it funny that because of Keckleon specifically, I never once tried to pissed off a shop keeper since. And even heeded the words of O.D. just so I didn't make him upset.