Meet the Tesla of the Sea: a review of our TORQEEDO + TAKACAT dinghy setup // Ryan's Tech Corner #12
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You guys won me over and I love watching your videos...
Built in bidet.....Can't stop laughing myself. Way too funny.
I know.... I couldn't believe that whole conversation 😂😂😂Willem is a fun guy :)
Happy about your sponsorship. Just stay honest about your reviews of products and you'll get no grief from me. I've been really curious about the Takacat. Love the concept of a catamaran dinghy, but could never find a review from liveaboard peeps. Now after watching your review, I'm leaning more into going that route. Love your channel keep it up!
Thanks Charles! Really glad you got something out of it :) /Sophie
Congrats on the first sponsor! :) you guys rock!!
Thank you! 🥰 we have been receiving sponsorship offers from many different companies (ranging from CBD products, VPN and razors to... the competitor of our outboard 🙈🙊🙉😅) but we reserve that for businesses we truly believe in, and that add value to our viewers. We really like Anett and Willem and what they are building! /Sophie
I resonated with your Boat Show experience where some sales people do not take us seriously.
It was an awful experience... it was a Monday morning, the boat show was empty and I genuinely felt that I would have been taken more seriously had I been Ryan. I was very disappointed 😕
All inflatables are wet! Your "ll1st dinghy purchase and you hit it out of the park. Well done Sophie!
As an electric car owner and solar powered household, I really LOVE the idea of wind, solar and electric powered vehicles. The hubs and I are just starting to look for an electric powered tender for a new solar powered catamaran (with an added kite sail) that we are having built. I thought that I would start out with the 300 and the torqueedo 1103 CS as a small dinghy for our current boat, a 33 foot sailboat. So when I saw your video with a very clear and honest outline of the pros and cons, I decided we were going in the right direction. As Floridians, we have both the heat and salt to deal with it, so I also appreciated reading the comments section (and will do my level best to keep it really clean after use). We also purchased an extra battery, the solar charger and the phone cable so we can monitor power use. At this point we won't be doing any really lengthy travel in this tender - but that could change!! Anyway, thank you SO MUCH for this video, it really helped me gel with my decision - and although I didn't purchase the takacat through the catamaran supply folks, I did get a bunch of other stuff from them and used your links!!
I have the privilege to say that I took a ride on that Tesla ;-) keep it up and always stay safe
I get the feeling that is the most enthusiastic I have seen Ryan ....
Happy to see you back on the water and both smiling! Great, informative and entertaining episode. Looks like the newer Takacat has an open transom and an even more open bow....so any water will drain right out. Not having to worry about a flooded dingy while towing or in a heavy rain. would be a big advantage.
Nice to see you both back on the water...
Ah, the perfect episode for us! We're looking at options for a new outboard right now! Thanks guys
Check out Thrustme Kicker🔥Easy mounting and only weighs about 4kg with battery.
And when other people get their dinghies op on plane, they know they made a good choice :-)
Thanks for the video. See you next week.
Good video, a lot of fresh ideas to think about. And I bookmarked Catamaran Supply. (Does that mean you'll soon be upgrading from the Beneteau? Hopefully you do that before the keel falls off.)
Quiet is really really important under the water where sound is 4.8x louder and the speed of sound is also that much faster. In my sea kayak sea lions, dolphins and whales are happy to be around me because I'm so quiet. As soon as a motor shows up.... On a Friday I hung out with blue whales for a couple of hours. I think they were using me like a buoy so feeding on krill they wouldn't 'vacuum' the same path. the next day Saturday I took my girlfriend and her kids whale watching on the big diesel boat full of tourists. They found a couple of fin whales and idled the boat, but based on the many times I'd spent in the ocean with whales it was clear to me the fin whales were stressed. (Grey whales often seemed very nervous about everything, but the humpbacks, blues and others figure out you're there and don't worry about you. Orcas almost visibly yawn they find a kayak so uninteresting. Dolphins are absolutely interested and will cross the bay to swim right by you take a quick look mostly from below and then keep moving. You know they're visiting you when they immediately change direction to go fish. They could've just made a beeline to the fish.)
I'm curious about what types of dinghy situations cruisers normally run into: distances (like the Bahamas where everyone goes), headwinds and currents. And what does motorowing (great term!) contribute? What would the bigger version be like and how difficult would it be to carry extra batteries? And I guess it's pretty reliable. (I wanted to get an Electric mountain bike but apparently they're horribly unreliable - so I got a Tesla that shouldn't need anything except windshield wipers, lubes, and change of tires for the next 15 years.)
Also as a sea kayaker who puts in foot braces instead of using those silly near useless pegs. The connection between the paddle and the kayak is through the feet. ( I think I can get a steady 1 - 1.5 knots directly into 15-20 mph wind). On a row boat it is also through the feet, but also through the oarlocks. On a soft sided dinghy when you row your feet aren't really connected, and your flexing that oarlock on the soft sides - basically you're probably only getting about 25% of your effort transferred through your butt- which is probably why dinghies have such cheap little oars.
I can see making a frame that connects to where you're sitting, goes down to your feet and over to the oarlocks. Doesn't have to be very elaborate or big. Now rowing will become powerful, practical and fun. (Remember to ask me about this in two years when I'm on my boat ( a cat) with a dinghy.) Kayak paddling got me in the best shape of my life and is always fun, but slow, so I'm sure I'll enjoy rowing. The 'cat' design of your Takacat dinghy is probably more efficient at slow speeds than other dinghies (until you're planning) and the raised deck will be warmer to your feet in cold places. (I use 1/4" and 1/2" (12mm) cheap yoga mats from Amazon as insulation and padding. I cut it out to fit.)
Great Video !
Thanks for the information. Great video 😜 pretty good moves Sofie..lol
I didn't realize Alex Honnold started sailing, very cool! :P
Catching up after few weeks, nice to know you two are doing great. Looking forward to more adventures.
I power my dinghy with toqeedo. I keep a second battery in a bucket with a lock and chain and use the bucket as a movable seat.
Interesting Idea Mike!
The bumperdumper!!!! 🤣
😆😆😆
Website looks good there was a good looking gal on one of their cats, spent over an hour on the site good stuff.
I am using the same Motor and charge the battery with my solar panels and.. wind Generator🍀⛵️😎
Thr Kiwis are great for coming up with good boat stuff, i nearly bougth one many years ago at the Gothenburg boatshow. Good work on the presentation Ryan.
Great ad for Torqeedo.... I don't even have a sailboat *but* I want to buy one of those electric dinghies ;)
Nice video guys, as always. I have an ePropulsion Spirit 1.0 Plus, which I think is comparable in every way to the torqueedo but WAY quieter. i know the torqueedo is quiet compared to a gas outboard, but the eProp is quiet period... if you ever need a replacement, it is worth checking it out if you can.
This is so cool. I really enjoyed watching this awesome video. Thanks:)
Yes, when motor power is marginal the "motorrow" can be very helpful, taking advantage of that other handy option, the womanrow.
Good one SnR. Nice to see you in good spirits. :-)
This is very cool.
I was hoping you would do a review. I have thought about these for many years. Thank you.
It’s been in the works for many months! hope you got something out of it :) /Sophie
I loved my torqeedo motor right up to the point it corroded over winter after being used in salt water... I honestly thought I’d washed it down before storage but clearly not enough! Shame really.
Fantastic infoe. Thank you. Info gathering & planning stage here, learning lots from you both. I am massively heading toward electric for both a sailing vessel and a dinghy.
1) Would you go for ePropulsion motor if you could? 2) Would you go for a smaller version of the dinghy?
The Pros are impressive
Hi Ryan and Sophie my name is Keith Edmonds and I own KIKI Catamarans LLC. I sell Takacat and Torqeedo as well. I have just recently taken out a T420lx with a Torqeedo Cruise 4.0 married to a 48v-5000 battery. I got cavitation near full throttle. I tilted the motor up one notch or about 5 degrees and the cavitation was completely eliminated and I achieved a much higher top speed. Hope that helps with your adventures.
Thanks! I tried titling it but still getting the cavitation. I'm going to try a plate when we get to Europe.
Ryan
I have an electric Yamaha, but it runs on normal batteries, and I have extra batteries in my battery bank, so i just change out a battery, thereby always have a full battery.
The 500w solar panel will be a plus for your dingui since it will charge it in 6 hours.
Love the dinghy but in no way will I buy an electric motor. They just don’t meet my distance requirements!
If you want to go faster put two electric motors on the transom run what is the time for a longer distance turn the time for faster going. Would be the only twin engine dinghy.
I like electric however, besides a $999 battery, you did not point out the initial cost of the unit (unless I missed it) - Torqeedo's starts at $1,700 and goes to $4,000. My Suzuki 2.5 hp petrol cost $700 delivered. As full-time cruisers, out dinghy is our car, so we have two outboards, a 20hp and 2.5hp. The 20hp allows us to explore longer distances
carries our dive gear, and we often have to anchor far out and the little electric would just not be practical in fetch and for longer distances. I feel it's important to get a outboard that is big enough to get up on a plane - typically 8-10 hp. We would love to replace our small 2.5hp for the Torqeedo however the additional cost is just too much.
Can you get on plane with this setup?
Great job. I'd always be worried about the range.
I would go the electric route and keep a 2hp petrol outboard in reserve. They only weigh 12 kilos and use very little fuel. We had to do a green turtle rescue at night where it was trapped on a rope wrapped around our friends anchor chain. Without us having a petrol outboard it would have drowned. We almost did battling the swell getting there and back.
I’ll stick to my gas engine but that was very interesting.
nice thanks for the advice
I'm no sailor but have loved your videos from the start, would it be too expensive to buy a duplicate battery and always have charged up battery you could take on longer trips? having a spare battery for my rechargeable drill is a godsend!! ha ha. Keep safe you two.
Thumbs up for appreciating this and all the great work that goes into your vids - however I think bigger safety / risk management issue is the underpowered, low distance electric motor, along with small non-RIB dinghy. All could be bad outcomes in bad weather (also for me would be inconvenient in time and getting wet in non-swim clothes) btw like the pronunciation of catamaran from Sophie;)
Drôle de nom cette annexe en Français... Mais j'adore. Merci pour cette vidéo pleine de bonne humeur comme d'hab !
Oui je sais, ça m’a fait rire aussi 😆
@@RyanSophieSailing Tout va bien les vidéos sont en Anglais ouf ! bonne journée
Lekker man lekker
Grate video ⛵⛵⛵
I love the discussion of electric (sail)boats!
Could one think of a power bank to increase the range?
Stay tune, we are planning to sail to the Bahamas this year, and Ryan is currently beefing up the setup ;) /Sophie
Could you add a small solar panel to trickle charge the battery while it’s just sitting floating. Not sure the voltages but I added a small solar panel about the size of a typical 12V battery for my boat hoist, it kept the battery trickle charged to max capacity.
I have the Torqueedo 1103CL for my 18 foot GRP sailboat... brilliant on canals, but in rough water max range 3-5 miles. Second battery needed, and changing battery in rough weather is NOT something Im looking forward to.
Lovely vlog guys❤❤❤
RUclips should remove the dislike button!
if person's don't like they shouldn't watch!!! #PERIODT
I definitely 'like' that idea !!
Appears time to bring back the naval boat cloak.
If that's the tesla, then my takacat with old two stroke Evinrude is the Ford Mustang of inflatables
People in my marina have had problems with the Torqeedo battery in that they lose a lot of their capacity in as little as a year. I'm guessing you've not had that problem.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 Not at all, the marina is in the UK. I'd assumed it was related to the relatively high discharge rates.
We have not had that problem. This will be the 3rd year we use our battery and we’ve used it in both high and low temperatures. /Sophie
Very much fun watching this. Where did you find a home for the deflated dinghy on Polar Seal?
I have been watching some videos and thinking about your power set up (also for myself and how much solar/wind we would need and how to use it), do you have some prioritized circuits on your battery management system to optimize power. So for example if its 10am and your almost at full charge on your domestic batteries that it charges a specific socket with the Torpedo charger on or runs the water maker etc?
The Takacats I remember of don't have the "inflatable bow". The low non-inflatable bow makes them definitely more unsuitable for upwind/against the wave rides than other dinghies. Is this inflatable bow an option? Or maybe a "Takacat Ryan & Sophie edition" 🤔
Hi Jason... it was an option called the "sport". Stand by for some details on this. Ryan
there must be a way to sort out jumper cables to a "Dakota " lifepo4 remote battery to extend range?
Are you still happy with the electric motor and the dinghy, Sophie?
Nice video once again
Yep! We very much are :) still 10/10 would recommend!
Super! Merci
Batteries aren't flammable?
So how did Sophie get so wet? At the end of the video it shows her seat completely soaked. Was it from waves and splashing water while sitting on the side tube? Or more because of bouncing in the chop and side dips down? I'm interested in getting this dinghy because our current one sits too low in the water and we're always getting wet in the slightest bit of chop.
What happens if you drop the outboard or a piece of it (tiller/battery/body) in the water? Is it sealed so that you won’t ruin the unit when you drop it in the water?
So... whatever outboard you have, you do not want to drop it in the water 😅 Torqeedo is graded waterproof, but we wouldn’t wanna test it 😆
Guuuuuys amazing content, thanks for sharing this video. I am searching for an electric motor for my RIB boat of 6 meters, do you advise the TORQEED motor for such a boat and if yes which product you think would be the best? Thanks a lot
Made me think if I could use an electric outboard on my 23 ft sail boat. It still has its original 1981 Diesel engine. Would be easier than installing an electric engine in the boat. Could full space up with batteries instead. I know disadvantage of outboards as opposed to inbound engines but for calm sailing I do might be ok especially as you said there is a 8 hp option.
The diesel will probably do as long as it does. After that, the electric outboard sounds good if you have a mount for it! Otherwise, check out "Sailing Uma"'s DIY diesel replacement "Electro Beke", a forklift motor on the original shaft.
RUclipsr Sam Holmes used a Torqueedo like this, I think, as his auxiliary on his old 23’ boat he sailed to Hawaii. I have one for my 19’ day sailor and it works well. Pricey but simple.
Thanks for this guys. Yes a bit pricey.
You just sold one to my wife. Do you have a link in the description below to show credit for your vlog?
I used electric motor every day from brest, France to Lagos, PT over 3 weeks and 3 days. The weight is perfect. Just let the salt water drain out of the shaft very well before storing below in a travel bag. Thanks for sharing. Good to see you guys as always.
Hi David! We have a referral link with Catamaran Supply which works for anything you would purchase through them: www.catamaransupply.com/?ref=ryanandsophie
Here is our Torqeedo (the new version, ours is 5 years old :)): Torqeedo 1103 CS: www.catamaransupply.com/collections/takacat-accessories/products/torqeedo-travel-1103cs-electric-outboard-motor?ref=ryanandsophie
I would love to hear what your wife thinks about it! I love ours because it is so easy to operate and lightweight :) (and one thousand thanks for asking about a link! 😻) /Sophie
@@ashyslashy5818 Not really comparable as far as convenience, lifespan or reliability goes though.
I agree. Sounds like a great solution for fishing or to push a small boat on a calm lake, but I don’t see myself trusting that setup to push my groceries upwind for a mile 😅 /Sophie
Better get Haswing 65lbs motor and 2 lithium batteries 100a each . 10 times Cheaper and you get about 5 hours of sailing at 4km ph speed
Can it go 400 miles on a single charge?
How long it takes to dry up?
Can you comment more about the construction of the floor in the dingy? It looks pretty stable. Is it also made from pvc and do you inflate it, as well?
Its essentially a sup board type floor. There is a very thing floor which is permanent but the main floor can be removed.
Yes, it is made of PVC, and looks like a sort of a Supboard, minus the fin. When we have a little water coming in the dinghy, it goes under the floor and keeps our tooshies dry. It is quite stable yes. /Sophie
Well I guess you now have both my perspective and Ryan’s 🤪🤪🤪
I see a lot of those electric torqueedo outboards lately on sailing channels. I was just thinking of why one could not use a flexible solar panel to help charge it while sitting at the dock or sitting on a deserted beach. Just a couple of watts may make a difference on making it home or taking a bit of load off the boats’ system. Btw great demo on stability. 👍🙂
Torqeedo sells solar panels made to work with their systems. Unfortunately only their proprietary panels work with their products, you can't use any non Torqeedo products.
..and they are 599 Euros...
@@tigersharkzh now that is a real shame... but when you have market cornered... just waiting for some DIY dude to fix that...
@@bayanicustodio3998 Market cornered? There's an alternative to Torqeedo and they're actually better.
www.epropulsion.com/navy
better electric motor would be: ePropulsion Navy 6 (10hp).... I hear they are good on the Takacat's... Even good for rivers and fresh water.
11 thousand SEK? Well Im pretty sure they have gone up A LOT since then. I think they are now asking DOUBLE that price in just a few years! I was looking at them but Ill look somewhere else if I see they have increased the priced too much.
Oh, Takacat commercial: wasted money in tropics without proper sun covers, which could easily cost half of the price of the dingy. ex Takacat user.
Torquedo? Looks like it's a Brobdingnagian Tesla copy
This little orange magnetic coin, you call a "key" is the EMERGENCY-QUICK STOP SWITCH.
It saves you from hurting yourself when going overboard and suddenly stops the engine if you need to turn it off in danger. But only if you are whearing the line arround your wrist.
I am mentioning this, 1: because many years ago a young surf-trainer was killed on Lake Garda in Italy by falling overborard and being hit deadly by the propeller of his own strong outboard-motor. Not that your little engine will kill you, but you can easily be hurt by the propeller and the dhingi will moove away uncontrolled.
And 2: I reccomended your vlog to my sailing pupils and I would like to do so further on because it is one of the best.
Please allways remember your role model function to all your followers.
Wearing it around your wrist is not enough. I saw a video where a guy was wearing it on his wrist and his hand simply slipped through. His propeller took off near his whole face. It needs to be securely attached to you.
Hmmm.... maybe take a spare battery with you for long trips or a very, very, very long extension cord.
When you purchase a Torquedo, is it possible to purchase a few key spare parts and keep them on the mother boat ?
Hi Tom... you can purchase all those parts no problems
Thanks, might be perfect for a small sailing dingy for my grandchildren ( avid sailors, Ft Pierce FL).
here in nz there us a takacat surf race series...you have a raceboat with a electric motor..vastly underpowered...lol..these were designed to race in big surf and very fast..google takacat racing ...also a aweskme tender as well....at least once guys borrow a decent motor and take it for a race....very quick design lol..regards craig new zealand
self draining floor for the surf as well absoluteley a blast to drive with correct hp outboard installed...please make a vid with a decent outboard..they are scary fast thats why the fine entry at the bow..cmon you gtta do it once lol
what happens if you accidentally drop the outboard in the sea will it still work?
Afair the model used/reviewed by R&S (Travel??? other probably also) is rated IP67 (waterproof up to 1m/3.3ft for 30min, in fresh water). Imo, if a big wave turns your dinghy, they are probably as good or as bad as every other outboard. With the small difference, that a (good) outboard mechanic can (always) fix your outboard (probably for less). On a remote atoll in the Pacific this might be a big advantage (if you are lucky).
Imho the more likely scenario is that you have water ingress after 2-3 years (capillary cracks, maybe because of impact, the seals mentioned by Ryan don't last as long as anticipated in your specific environment, etc) and the electronics in the engine is corroded.
This is imo the "normal" evolution with each new technology.
@@jasonargonaut9112 mm interesting so best thing to do is tie a rope to outboard just in case huh
@@barrymatthias7551 Well, only the dinghy is inflatable. Not the outboard 😃
Regardless of what outboard you have at the back of your dinghy, dropping it in the water is NOT going to be good 😅
@@jasonargonaut9112 so much easier on land he he :)
can get something cheaper and more battery then the cost of that.. but you'll have to have the battery on the floor like a gas tank...PROTRUAR Brushless High Performance 1/2/3 5hp and just get lifepo4 cells are cheap..about 34 pounds of battery depending on size you want more or less. i have a small 1hp electric trolling motor on 200ah battery 12v 4p lifepo4 and can go 4.5mph+ on my little 12 foot scout..it pulls 41amps at full power, i can leave it locked on full power and get about 4 hours non stop at full power till the bms on the battery shuts me off.. i have ac to dc 800wt 12v 70amp power supply using icharger 406 on syc mode and i can full charge my battery in about 3 hours.. so about 800$ usa for motor and battery instead of 3k+ on a torqeedo or epropulsion... and best part about lifepo4 cells is i can connect it to power up my DC lights or plug into inverter /solar to power up my things and also charge it but its slower unless you have a big solar system...not a fan of this things that company locks into their system because its design to use only their battery and they will charge you over triple the cost, for your extend battery it cost like 1000$, if you get a 300ah cells it will cost under 880$ and with a 1hp 12v you can full power for little over 7 hours non stop going...
Must reverse my thinking....the Torqeedo doesn't sound like a dentist's drill, the dental drlll sounds like a Torqeedo. Right. Must remember that.
You guys really, truly rock, but hey, displacement speed in an inflatable? Um, yeah, that's as wet as it gets! Seriously, you guys have davits, why not an AL bottom dink? New 4-strokes are lighter and more eco-friendly than the manufacturing process for electric outboards alone... And OK, this last part is totally subjective (isn't everything?) but isn't it kinda nice to run your hard-bottom baby right up to the beach without a care in the world?
I think you refer to fiberglass bottom. Aluminum is for the floor. RIB, as they are called can be twice the price and way heavier.
Any salesman worth his salt would have been all over you . I mean how many attractive young women go there to hang out and kick tires. That's what we do.
Good morning you 2 ;-)
Hello hello! :)
My Takacat is rusting!
I have got the open transom design. The transom tubes are made of stainless steel 304 (V2A) (also for cost reasons). The tubes show ugly rust after a short time in a salt water environment.
Is ther anybody else with the same issue?
From my point of view, the maintenance is very time-consuming and is not reasonable for me. Unfortunately, I only found out about this disadvantage of the high maintenance effort after the purchase. For me, this product is not recommended for salt water environments. I am very dissatisfied and disappointed with the Takacat 340 LS for the above reasons. It does not meet my expectations and, in my opinion, is only partially suitable for my application as a full time yacht tender.
I quote from Takacat's care instructions: 1. A first care step when driving in salt water is washing the transom tubes at the end of a trip with fresh water (fresh water) including thorough drying. 2. The insides of the transom tubes can be pulled through with an extra-long bottle brush. 3. If corrosion has formed, it can be removed with a stainless steel cleaner. 4. If you drive permanently in salt water, it is advisable to spray the transom tubes and optional slip wheels with a seawater-resistant stainless steel protector.
Best regards
Xaver
'saloperie....!'...??!, ma chère Sophie, vous avez de la chance d'avoir éviter la demonetisation pour langage grossier 😂😂😂😊
🙊🙈🙉 (oops!😆)
Great video ... but Elon will not be happy when the Tesla would need more than 6h to load. Blasphemy!🤣
Battery technology just isn’t there yet. Range and PRICE is not practical with this motor...range needs at least doubled and the price at least cut in half! 🤷🏻♂️
And yet here we are, tackling our 3rd year of full time cruising with our electric outboard 😉 /Sophie
@@RyanSophieSailing you must have more money than most for this type of thing....
We bought our dinghy setup when we were still working full time with good salaries, so yes, at that time we didn’t mind spending a little extra :)
@@RyanSophieSailing and no kids, correct?🤓
Not that I know of 🤪😆
Torquedos are a cruel joke
No comment.
stay away from Torqueedo nothing but problems
Sorry guys, we have watched you from your very first video. Unfortunately, we view your sponsored endorsement of a reviewed product as unobjective, a step to far and a 'turn off'. Sailing liveaboards is (should be) about an alternative lifestyle and not about blatant commercialism.
Hardly a Tesla if it won't get you up on the plane! Teslas are the fastest production cars on the planet, with the longest range of any other EV. So more the Chevy Volt of the sea? Doesn't sound quite so glamorous.
What a slow boat … boring as hell