What do you mean by “karate”? Maybe Varga should educate his kickboxing fans by asking them to watch traditional karate competitions so they don’t reduce karate to just kicking & punching 😂 That would be “Kickboxing Combat”.
Skriver played it smart. Had he stuck to his usual pressure tactics and striking, he wouldve been knocked out as seen on the last round. Just play defense and shove people over is the way of the karate sport 😂
@@Ramin2340 yes. You have to ground and pound for 5 seconds. If that fails to happen the referee will stand them up. It’s easier said than done. He won, didn’t he? So it worked.
Takedowns are an essential part of karate anyways. It is a good change. Limiting takedowns in other karate formats is a disservice to karate in my honest opinion.
@@stanclark3992 YES, duh. That's what MMA proved: a karate fighter could be stifled and even beat up by an accomplished grappler. What point are you even trying to make? 😂😂😂 If it was supposed to be Karate versus Grappler, then it would be MMA, not *Karate* Combat. It means watch *MMA* if you want to include wrestling.
Machida finished plenty of one one dimensional grapplers/Thai fighters like Couture, Thiago Silva. Karate has always had grappling, literally invented hammer fists/ground & pound. Go watch some of Machida’s old Kumite tournaments he takes you down & lands grounded strikes.
@@DADRB0B55 Machida crucially does MMA lol. Karate is just his striking style, he's also a brazilian sumo champion and a BJJ blackbelt. He can fight in MMA because he's a complete fighter, not because he only does karate.
Varga got three face shots, heel chop, and a knockdown punch to the head while skriver got takedowns that lead to him getting hit. Skriver then pinched varga’s arm a couple of time and he wins?
Under FOULS section of KC Rules: "Single and Double leg takedowns" See 10:25 and 15:55 onwards for three of his double leg takedowns. He took serious damage around 10:30 and spammed illegal takedowns as clinch substitutes to avoid further damage. Skrivers was too scared to fight with legal techniques. If he were warned about the illegal takedowns, this would've been an interesting fight. Shame on KC for letting him get away with those antics.
he didnt win the 4th round because of the grappling, he won the 4th round because the punch that everyone thought was a knockdown didnt cause any damage whatsoever
@@bananasngrapes8814that's... not the definition of a knockdown, I think 😅. "Damage" doesn't come into whether it's a knockdown. I think it's something about whether the fighter touches a knee to the canvas or touches both gloves to the canvas, maybe.
Double leg are illegal. No warning from the Reff. Karate Combat needs to be more clear on the takedown/ legal throw rules. Example the rules say no Suplex or over the head throws, are Fireman's carry a legal throw under the current rules or a Drop Seoi nage? Clarification is needed, the devil is in the details.
A bit of ineffectual ground and pound beats a knock down and solid calf kicks? Seems off. Think you need to look at your takedown rules too. If a guy can literally do nothing but stay out of range before diving at someone's leg to do a 'not really' single leg takedown, land ground and pound, reset, rinse and repeat, you're going to create a very very dull meta. Should only be able to do that off a caught kick.
Totally agree. Should definitely be sweeps or throws, too. Not driving forward to the wall off a caught kick (in case anyone suggests that should be okay).
Not a big fan of this fight. I’ve watched Skrivers fight and I’ve watched Varga fight. I was expecting one heck of a striking match, instead I watched one guy continuously try for take-downs. Not very exciting for a match that “should” have been one of the best matches ever.
I think it's against the original concept of Karate Combat that if a fighter came into a fight with his first priority being initiating takedowns. I mean, the whole point of Karate Combat Rules allowing takedowns and 5-second ground working time is to provide fighters more choices and make the fight process more fluid so that when the fight inevitably get into the clinch situation(like what we usually saw in a boxing or kickboxing match, when two fighters got tangled up, they have to either do nothing and wait for the referee to separate them or start making some not-so-clean moves which are hard to tell should be counted as significant points or not）, fighters can keep the fight in their hands and show more well-rounded skills, and that leads to more beautiful fights. Hence clinch takedowns(including catch-a-strike then takedowns such as kick catch with sweeps) should count more, while shooting from outside for takedowns should never be rewarded as much. As in this fight, Egars may not be going for double-legs, but he's definitely shooting from outside. It should be seen as being passive instead of being effective. That being said, It really requires highly well educated judges that truly understand key aspects of combat sports. Sadly the outcome of this fight went this way, not just for Gabriel Varga, who I think got robbed, but for the rising, expanding organization Karate Combat as well. Like I said, damage to its original concept which is exactly what makes it unique and beautiful.
agreed. if takedowns(esoecially single and double leg takedowns which are AGAINST THE RULES) are prioritized this much then it’s no longer “karate” combat
Bobo. Completely wrong. Think about it.🤔🤔 Varga goes on & on about his detailed fight game planning... then he got game planned by a relative newcomer. Hardly the work of a champion contender.
Yeah I agree with everything the original poster said. That would be the best compromise to ensure striking and still have some sweeping and striking. It's in the name: *Karate* Combat. We already know MMA exists 😂
@@stanclark3992you're not even addressing anything the original poster said about the ruleset. Are you just a Gabriel Varga hater or a fanboy of the guy who won? Why the hell should the *Karate* Combat fighters gameplan for someone who practically shoots takedowns from the outside just to get his opponent to the ground? I'll watch MMA if I want a ruleset that allows for "stall-and-ground" (no ground and pound from that guy apparently).
At first i was confused about the dislikes, but after rewatching it and seeing the comments I agree. Karate combat needs to adjust the rules a little bit to be more about karate and less about MMA. For what makes karate combat special is we are watching high level karate in a full contact setting. If we allow to much MMA moves, it loses its charm and uniqueness
@@lamblias6odit exist, but the rules says no double leg takedowns lol, rules are rules tho, it's like joining olympic wrestling and doing a fkin knee to ur opponents head
Although I follow Gabriel for quite some time now and cheered for him, the decision is probably OK. But I also believe that KC needs to address takedowns. If they are as highly scored as they seem to be in this fight, I fear that more fights will just be one takedown counter after the other, resulting in lots of really boring fights. And I for myself certainly won't watch those. This was so dull to experience...
I feel like these takedowns were very superficial in comparison to the damage that Gabriel did. I do hope they change the rule set as it just doesn’t seem right for a karate match to be won by takedowns.
@@stanclark3992what kind of argument is that? It's in the name: *Karate* Combat. I think they are saying wrestling style takedowns like single-leg or double-leg takedowns should not be allowed in the ruleset for Karate Combat. And I agree with them. Do you think Varga would not have trained to stop those takedowns if he had known it would be allowed without penalty? Do YOU think "Karate Combat" should be focused on karate versus wrestling? It's not UFC 1 "Karate versus Sumo versus BJJ versus Kempo versus Boxing". It's JUST *Karate* Combat. For people who want the whole shebang including BJJ, wrestling, etc, MMA exists now.
@@stanclark3992in short, Karate is not designed to stop wrestling takedowns, no. Did you think this is a gotcha? It's like you're saying why didn't strikers who signed up for a karate promotion expect someone to wrestle? Does Karate teach wrestling? It's like you just throw together word salads like a bot. Oh. Maybe you are a bot. I do not think you even watched the fight.
If you need a fourth round, and one fighter drops the other in a rather passive round, how it goes to the one who got dropped is beyond me. What a weird fight. It’s true, though, that Varga got shut down pretty effectively. But I wouldn’t say he got bested.
dropping someone down, means the other guy the drops u, can take control over you and just beat u down if nobody stops him. on top the one who controls the fight etc. is the one who should get the points, in this case Skivers.
@@helioshyperion8077 "Dropping" someone means hitting them so hard that they fall down. What you're talking about is called throwing or tripping, or taking down. If it's not in the fucking rule set that takedowns score, they shouldn't fucking score them. If they want takedowns to score, JUST PUT IT IN THE MOTHERFUCKING RULE SET!
I feel like this is a growing pains thing. Like in muay thai if red throws a solid leg kick, it lands, but blue doesn't react and keeps pressure or checks. Blue wins that exchange. Same exchange in a kickboxing match might go to red. Every fight sport / promotion has that type of "scoring meta" and I feel like this one right just hasn't quite solidified.
@@willburchfield They have settled on a set of criteria, but no one understands them. When the fighters don’t know what they can do or should do, that’s a critical issue. I hope it gets resolved.
@@MrTheWaterbear agree I've watched a few of these fights now and still aren't exactly sure the "rule set". (I know they have official explanations but I mean what's weighted how and when something is legal vs not, like the 12 to 6 elbow confusion in ufc )
This was very disappointing strategy from Skrivers and even the fact that it barely worked and he got a win by the skin of his teeth doesn't make it any good. This made for a very boring fight. The fact that in post fight interview Srivers admited that Varga is better striker than him and that spamming takedowns was indeed his strategy made me even more disappointed. Previous Skrivers fights were interesting, had action, exchanges, power. This was just "SPAM TAKEDOWN" :/ To think in pre-fight interviews he said he was gonna "smesh". And all that just because he wants to get to Rocha... Very disappointing.
@@stanclark3992Skrivers barely did any striking. What are you talking about? 😂 Are you saying VARGA isn't any good at striking? Have you SEEN any of Varga's career fights in kickboxing and Karate Combat or are you paid by the Skrivers public relations crew to just spam nonsense that kisses Skriver's butt?
I think one issue that needs to be addressed immediately is referee training. Seems like they got some ‘B’ list refs in this event. My guess would be that was due to the UFC event in Jacksonville on the same day. I think that a ref like say Mark Goddard or some other more established ref that had several of these events under their belt would have done a better job controlling the takedown abuse. It’s important to remember that KC writes the ruleset, and that the Athletic Commission has to enforce it. So problems can come from either the definition or application of the rules. But I am in total agreement that Skrivers was allowed to play outside of what most understand the rules to be, and made what should’ve been a barn burner a total nothingburger, culminating in a very questionable 4th round decision.
Can someone please explain to me why this even went to a 4th round? Apparently Skrivers won the first round with a series of illegal double-leg takedowns and completed two more in the fourth. Very little “karate” in his performance and more MMA than anything else. Varga was clearly the better striker, stuff multiple takedown attempts and won both the second, third and fourth rounds. Varga dropped Skrivers at 15:35 with a stiff right hand in the fourth which was the most impactful strike in the fight. It should never have gone to four and even then, Varga won the fourth. KC, please get the application of the rules straight and ensure that your judges understand what is considered illegal.
Leg kicks are okay and it's cool if it's for strategy or even hobbles the opponent. But it would be a bummer if that's all the striking there was in a particular Karate Combat match 😅 However, Varga did get a nice knockdown on Skrivers and Varga was striking with more than just calf kicks. Sometimes Skriver did attempt some strikes but too few and far between.
After reviewing the rules, the last 2 takedowns from Skrivers were 100% illegal and so them and their ground and pound after should NOT have scored at all. The fourth round comprised of: 2 arguably legal takedowns where Varga hit Skrivers more during them, with the first he landed more punches, in the second he kicked him in the head from the bottom position while taking nothing in return. Pretty much equal calf kicks (Varga landed more, Skrivers landed one stronger one) A full on knockdown causing a bleeding wound from Varga to Skrivers 2 illegal double leg takedowns leading to some ground and pound - should have been disregarded as coming from illegal techniques. The judges need to learn the rules better. The rules need to be better communicated. At the time I thought Varga may have lost the round, but after looking at the rules it's impossible to conclude Skrivers won that.
While few of Varga's hits were above the knees, they weren't nearly as blatant as illegal takedowns (double legs that are not a result of catching a kick). I do not understand why do ref and commentators not acknowledge this blatant cheating Overall, an okay decision, but can't help but feel Varga got a bit screwed and that he seemed like better fighter overall
Bullshit decision. Varga threw just about all of the strikes and landed most of them, then add the kicks. Skrivers just wrestled. If you can win 'karate combat' by wrestling then something is very suspect about your tournament.... Varga robbed....
This match was insulting. Skrivers flouted the rules and the ref refused to enforce them. Skrivers went all 4 limbs down, knees down, and was still allowed to work. Varga completely dominated the striking exchanges and dropped him in the fourth round. This was a robbery and KC is no longer a promotion I will follow if this is the future of competition here.
If you want to be a great striker you need to have solid takedown defence. Guys like Max Holloway, Jose Aldo, etc. all had this. Trouble is this is Karate Combat so you shouldn't have to focus on defending takedowns since it's supposed to mostly be striking.
My understanding is that takedown in KC are supposed to be based on takedown found across all Karate styles. I am ok with allowing all upper body Judo throws, sweeps l, and trips, and of course single leg takedowns only when a kick is cought
WhAt a joke. So you allow takedowns but don’t allow heelhooks or subs lmao. U get taken down and you know you could strangle him but instead u just gotta hug and wait for the ref to seperate and have the lazy takedown scored against you
Is this Karate Combat or Wrestler Combat? If this is a legit way to win in Karate Combat then expect every wrestler with a good shot to be signing up real soon.
@@lamblias6od its because these mmassh0l3s are trolling, its the usual scenario of ''muay thai/boxers'' are thai is better than this martial art, or boxing better than this, kind like ''my pokemon is better than yours'' LOL bunch of kid personalities thats what they are. its cringe to see these trolls talk smack to these athletes, but they dont understand most of these fighters gonna knock their favourite fighter ez. we saw what happen to a bellator star who came to fight and got himself handled by a shorter fighter namely Aghayev. most of these mma fighters /thai/boxers have 0 skill when it comes to fight from long distance, thats why u see them struggle so much. as for the takedown cringe crying, its because these kids learned karate from karate kid or cobra kai or some karate chop b.s movie w/e they have 0 clue what karate is and it speaks volumes from their commenting stuff they have 0 knowledge about.
@@TacticalMartialArts What I'm saying is that takedowns exist even in traditional karate. If you go to a karate school, they will teach you takedowns, so it seems strange to me that you mention 'karate' as if it's not normal in that martial art. I would understand your point if it were kickboxing or Muay Thai. Furthermore, Edgars had never resorted to takedowns to win a fight before, but Gabriel is a very good striker, so the easiest way to defeat him was by using takedowns, especially considering that Gabriel is not good at takedowns.
I had Skrivers R1, Vargas R2 and R3. No need for R4. Yet, R4 was even could go each side. Vargas did a couple calf kicks and aplied a knockdown, Skrivers had the takedowns but only the last one with some ground n' pound.
I really like that takedowns are legal. As takedowns and ground and pound are common in Karate. But Skrivers is clearly using them as a stall tactic because he can’t stand with Varga. He’s just spamming things like he doesn’t even want to fight. Very frustrating fight.
@@stanclark3992why are you spamming all over the comment section? Are you Edgar's account or only have brain damage? Also, why do you start every comment with "hi @user"? Have you had other human interactions in your life?
I see a lot of people used the excuse of "Karate has grappling" and similar ones. See it this way: SUMO has takedowns and strikings, but it has RULES. If you break that rules, you lose. If your takedowns have your hand or knee touching the ground, you lose. If your striking use fist instead of palm, you lose. Illegal techniques are banned and lead to instant lost and possibly career-ending. These don't make sumo a lesser art than MMA, wrestling, muay thai, etc. These makes sumo sumo. You can say the same with Olympic judo, a lot of traditional judo takedowns are illegal there. Or muay thai, only specific takedowns are allowed there. So what's with "karate has grappling" that excuses illegal techniques? Karate has eye pokes, groin strikes, etc, so should we see those techniques in tournament too, who cares if they're illegal or not?
This skriver guy is pulling double leg takedowns every single time and no one says anything? Even the refs and judges dont know the rules. Gosh this sport is a joke
@@helioshyperion8077everytime skriver took him down, he ate kicks and punches trying to land strikes on varga LOL. Then he wins by performing an illegal leg takedown and lands flimsy punches to gabriel’s arm and that somehow made him the victor. This sport is such a joke.
@@Jeremyhuckaby oh please i dont see how varga on the score board performed better, u understand that Karate Combat scores more in favour of the guy who keep push the pit, pressure = wins skivers did more pressure compared to varga, varga sat and waited to counter, and scoreboard showed he did less, it appeared he kicked more but most of his strikes didnt land. got blocked more. so idk how biased u are but it sounds you are varga fanboy.
Ref needs to push him the hell off if he's got his knee on the guy's neck... Why the fuck is he saying, "WATCH THAT KICK. GABRIEL" when all Gabe did was kick him in the leg? Does he think the guy's ballsack is on his knee?
I know this fight gets more eyeballs since because of Varga, but fighters achieving success in KC because of ground and pound has been established early on by Aghayev.
Not if he is using illegal maneuvers. The rules state that leg takedowns are illegal and in that final round, he literally did a leg takedown that decided the victor
No, according to the Karate Combat rules page. Under FOULS section: "Single and Double leg takedowns" He did the same illegal stuff after 15:55 to run the clock and get the "win". :(
from my point of view it was a close call but vargas’s style is in my opinion closest to karate combat idea of a winner, if we want to take in consideration a different point of view and not always about death combat situation
A clear disparity of striking vs takedowns. Is the act of a takedown in or of itself the goal, or is the goal the result from the position it presents, and the resultant strikes to the grounded opponent? Where should the scoring be focused towards? This was an excercise in getting beaten in the standup versus takedowns with ineffectual outcomes.
It sucks. I watch MMA for ground and pound. The strikers who signed up especially for the karate-like ruleset will just go somewhere else if it ends up being a wrestling-heavy sport.
I notice they both identify as Shotokan, but they actually use a stance from Isshinryu karate, not Shotokan, and they also both use Isshinryu double bone blocks rather than shotokan single bone blocks. Interesting.
The way edgar won was through a rule exploit.. after all his talking saying this was for the championship etc and for him to have to win the bout like this is disappointing. So many things wrong with this. The rules are not clear, the refs are not trained or qualified enough to ref cause of these rules it seems, and scoring wise why would take downs in a karate match score more than strikes and knockdowns? Gabriel on the feet was clearly a different level and it showed. Wow this was a let down and gabe is the one that got the shit end of things cause he won the fight but lost due to these weird circumstances smh
Such a boring match. Takedown shouldnt score high in a karate match. This is to encourage more striking. Karate combat should understand if people want to watch takedown, they watch mma
This fight made me realize that Karate Combat was just watered-down MMA, and I stopped being as interested in it. I originally thought of it as kickboxing with takedowns (Sanda, but better because ground-and-pound is allowed), which I like, but nahh... So, why would anyone watch this over full-blown MMA?
Wtf, Skrivers totally abused the takedowns. KC is a striking combat sport, not MMA. You should not be able to win a fight due to talkedowns which didn't do any damage. What a bullshit. I am pissed of. That's not what I want to see, when I watch a KC fight.
I'm new to Karate combat and as someone who came from watching MMA, this is some good stuff. However can anyone tell me why takedowns are allowed if the ref is just gonna stand them up in like 2 seconds? Just need some clarification on that
If you score a takedown the only thing essentially you are allowed is ground and pound but from standing above the competitor, not while in the guard on top of him. Also g&p is only 5 seconds and they stand the fighters up. Fun fact only single leg takedowns are allowed.
To add a bit more if a fighter has his back on the pit wall it is considered like he is standing up so all goes as kicks etc. Once on the floor only g&p with the hands.
There is nothing wrong with wrestlers joining in Karate combat is a concept of fighting; fighters need to adapt to other aspects of competitors gameplay.
9:32 Watch what? Outside lowkick not allowed? Or ref feeling like he needs to say something for no reason? I get it inside lowkick in orthodox vs southpaw match up but outside? XD Illegal takedowns but he didn't say nothing about those, what an amateur.
Really surprised at how skriver wasnt penalized for using leg takedowns. The decision-making takedown was literally a textbook double leg takedown which are stated in the rules to be an illegal maneveur. This sport is such garbage that the refs and judges dont even know their own rules
A lot of comments here say Karate Combat is not Karate if there is a lot of takedowns. Are you guys kidding or what? The Okinawan dojos from pre 1900s placed much emphasis on both the throwing and takedown aspects for their Tote Jutsu or the old version of Karate since it had historic roots in Tegumi or the traditional wrestling art from Okinawa. They did not just practice the striking methods from various imported forms of Chinese arts. Old Karate was meant to be an eclectic system of striking and grappling before it got exported to mainland Japan and turn into a striking art around 1905. To be able to defend yourself, it is crucial to know various ranges of combat. It is not inaccurate to have good wrestling skills like George St Pierre Thanks a lot for making lots of confusion regarding the history of Okinawan traditional arts just like that dense and outdated idea that old school Judo somehow did not have ground techniques. Online Source: Tegumi The Traditional Wrestling Art From Okinawa
The rules state that leg takedowns are illegal unless you catch someone’s kick. Skriver clearly performed many double leg takedowns and the ref and judge dont even their own rules
What a joke. Refs need to be more careful with allowing foul wrestling/mma moves seeping into karate combat. This is supposed to be a karate-based, striking-focused competition, and we just gave this match to someone who had nothing but double leg takedowns.
That wasn't Karate, that was bad wrestling. Egars was clearly afraid to strike with Varga, and the take downs did more to waste everyone's time than damage anyone.
Because he's a professional and he goes by what the judges say. He's not Connor mcnuggets with a broken leg sitting on the pitfall saying he wants to go out to the parking lot but he can't walk. Gabriel is not gonna make excuses. He's gonna go train and get better on the things that he didn't do well in. And I'm sorry mate, but this isn't the wrestling championship. And you could tell this kid clearly didn't want to strike with Gabriel
This was frustrating to watch. Are single and double leg takedowns legal or not? The rules still say they are not. Varga needs to work on his grappling if they’re legal. If these types of takedowns are legal then thigh kicks and elbows should be legal. Hammer fists should be legal. Clinch strikes should be legal. Hook kicks should be legal. Open hand strikes should be legal. Finger strikes should be legal barring eye or throat strikes. We will probably see more Judo moves to counter the wrestling. I’m confused as to what the rules are, but with only 3 rounds it makes sense to wrestle because stamina isn’t as much of an issue.
They awarded Skrivers for not engaging and def not using Karate. Didnt even try to strike, could signal the end of Karate Combat.
What do you mean by “karate”? Maybe Varga should educate his kickboxing fans by asking them to watch traditional karate competitions so they don’t reduce karate to just kicking & punching 😂 That would be “Kickboxing Combat”.
Skriver played it smart. Had he stuck to his usual pressure tactics and striking, he wouldve been knocked out as seen on the last round. Just play defense and shove people over is the way of the karate sport 😂
@@golputer1 traditional karate is not a wrestling match. grappling is only used to set up strikes which skrivers didn't do.
@@Ramin2340 yes. You have to ground and pound for 5 seconds. If that fails to happen the referee will stand them up. It’s easier said than done. He won, didn’t he? So it worked.
He didn't win Varga was robbed@@golputer1
If this doesn't change we're going to have a lot of wrestlers trying to get into Karate Combat whit fake karate backgrounds...
Takedowns are an essential part of karate anyways. It is a good change. Limiting takedowns in other karate formats is a disservice to karate in my honest opinion.
@@prvtthd401how are they essential in karate? These sloppy take takedowns would get you strangled
@@prvtthd401 No they're not. Karate is first and foremost striking.
@@prvtthd401I have to do more research on this, but I've never heard of takedowns being prevalent in karate
Uh judo the main "jacket wrestling" is a branch of karate so yes throws which are forms of takedowns are 100% a part of karate
I don't see a karate contest...I see a kickboxer vs an MMA fighter
@@stanclark3992 YES, duh. That's what MMA proved: a karate fighter could be stifled and even beat up by an accomplished grappler. What point are you even trying to make? 😂😂😂
If it was supposed to be Karate versus Grappler, then it would be MMA, not *Karate* Combat.
It means watch *MMA* if you want to include wrestling.
Machida finished plenty of one one dimensional grapplers/Thai fighters like Couture, Thiago Silva. Karate has always had grappling, literally invented hammer fists/ground & pound. Go watch some of Machida’s old Kumite tournaments he takes you down & lands grounded strikes.
If your karate school doesn’t teach grappling it’s just karate based kickboxing like WB not the same thing.
@@DADRB0B55 WB doesn't do 1960s karate at all, because its terrible. its just better ITF taekwondo
@@DADRB0B55 Machida crucially does MMA lol. Karate is just his striking style, he's also a brazilian sumo champion and a BJJ blackbelt. He can fight in MMA because he's a complete fighter, not because he only does karate.
Now, when i watched it again: without the ground game, Varga owned him in striking. Especially second and fourth round.
Varga got three face shots, heel chop, and a knockdown punch to the head while skriver got takedowns that lead to him getting hit. Skriver then pinched varga’s arm a couple of time and he wins?
I agree
@@stanclark3992 that's vague.
don't forget Skriver putting his shin on Varga's throat while the ref is shouting at him to get off of Gabriel@@agathahearth
Under FOULS section of KC Rules: "Single and Double leg takedowns"
See 10:25 and 15:55 onwards for three of his double leg takedowns. He took serious damage around 10:30 and spammed illegal takedowns as clinch substitutes to avoid further damage.
Skrivers was too scared to fight with legal techniques. If he were warned about the illegal takedowns, this would've been an interesting fight. Shame on KC for letting him get away with those antics.
I agree. They where leg takedowns, they would be ok if he cought a kick, but these where double legs.
This sport is an absolute joke
@@Jeremyhuckaby I agree, a because they do not enforce the rules. Also, why the Refs do some seem confused about the rules.
he didnt win the 4th round because of the grappling, he won the 4th round because the punch that everyone thought was a knockdown didnt cause any damage whatsoever
@@bananasngrapes8814that's... not the definition of a knockdown, I think 😅.
"Damage" doesn't come into whether it's a knockdown. I think it's something about whether the fighter touches a knee to the canvas or touches both gloves to the canvas, maybe.
Double leg are illegal. No warning from the Reff.
Karate Combat needs to be more clear on the takedown/ legal throw rules. Example the rules say no Suplex or over the head throws, are Fireman's carry a legal throw under the current rules or a Drop Seoi nage? Clarification is needed, the devil is in the details.
Everyone knows Varga won per the spirit of KC combats rules.
A bit of ineffectual ground and pound beats a knock down and solid calf kicks? Seems off.
Think you need to look at your takedown rules too. If a guy can literally do nothing but stay out of range before diving at someone's leg to do a 'not really' single leg takedown, land ground and pound, reset, rinse and repeat, you're going to create a very very dull meta. Should only be able to do that off a caught kick.
Totally agree. Should definitely be sweeps or throws, too. Not driving forward to the wall off a caught kick (in case anyone suggests that should be okay).
Why was the guy allowed to do double leg takedowns? I am really dissapointed in karate combat, especially since they gave him the win for doing this.
Not a big fan of this fight. I’ve watched Skrivers fight and I’ve watched Varga fight. I was expecting one heck of a striking match, instead I watched one guy continuously try for take-downs. Not very exciting for a match that “should” have been one of the best matches ever.
I think it's against the original concept of Karate Combat that if a fighter came into a fight with his first priority being initiating takedowns.
I mean, the whole point of Karate Combat Rules allowing takedowns and 5-second ground working time is to provide fighters more choices and make the fight process more fluid so that when the fight inevitably get into the clinch situation(like what we usually saw in a boxing or kickboxing match, when two fighters got tangled up, they have to either do nothing and wait for the referee to separate them or start making some not-so-clean moves which are hard to tell should be counted as significant points or not）, fighters can keep the fight in their hands and show more well-rounded skills, and that leads to more beautiful fights.
Hence clinch takedowns(including catch-a-strike then takedowns such as kick catch with sweeps) should count more, while shooting from outside for takedowns should never be rewarded as much.
As in this fight, Egars may not be going for double-legs, but he's definitely shooting from outside. It should be seen as being passive instead of being effective. That being said, It really requires highly well educated judges that truly understand key aspects of combat sports.
Sadly the outcome of this fight went this way, not just for Gabriel Varga, who I think got robbed, but for the rising, expanding organization Karate Combat as well. Like I said, damage to its original concept which is exactly what makes it unique and beautiful.
agreed. if takedowns(esoecially single and double leg takedowns which are AGAINST THE RULES) are prioritized this much then it’s no longer “karate” combat
Bobo. Completely wrong. Think about it.🤔🤔 Varga goes on & on about his detailed fight game planning... then he got game planned by a relative newcomer. Hardly the work of a champion contender.
yea thats some bullshit. i wanna see karate. not mma
Yeah I agree with everything the original poster said. That would be the best compromise to ensure striking and still have some sweeping and striking.
It's in the name: *Karate* Combat. We already know MMA exists 😂
@@stanclark3992you're not even addressing anything the original poster said about the ruleset. Are you just a Gabriel Varga hater or a fanboy of the guy who won?
Why the hell should the *Karate* Combat fighters gameplan for someone who practically shoots takedowns from the outside just to get his opponent to the ground? I'll watch MMA if I want a ruleset that allows for "stall-and-ground" (no ground and pound from that guy apparently).
Karate or take down tournament? 😮
Traditional karate has take downs
@@pepiyobudoka5486👍🏽💯
I guess if it's MMA yes that Khamzat looking guy gets W but its Karate Combat what's going on?
Knock down punch by varga and still loss? Wtf?
@@the_chubby_kickeromg it was so boring that hamza looking guy only response is the take down .
At first i was confused about the dislikes, but after rewatching it and seeing the comments I agree. Karate combat needs to adjust the rules a little bit to be more about karate and less about MMA. For what makes karate combat special is we are watching high level karate in a full contact setting. If we allow to much MMA moves, it loses its charm and uniqueness
I would just like to say, this arena is so freaking cool. I love the pit and the futuristic atmosphere as well. Keep up the great work guys!!
Varga is gonna kill this guy if takedowns doesn't exist at all
Hahaha. A good kickboxer but not a good karateka if you don’t expect takedowns at all.
TAKEDOWNS EXIST IN KARATE, its like saying skrivers is gonna kill varga in MMA
@@lamblias6od Yeah takedowns exist in karate but i think it's not like they're a wrestler just like Egar
@@lamblias6odit exist, but the rules says no double leg takedowns lol, rules are rules tho, it's like joining olympic wrestling and doing a fkin knee to ur opponents head
@@mrnobody1546 it’s not the first time someone makes ilegal moves, the referee just doesn’t take that into account
Although I follow Gabriel for quite some time now and cheered for him, the decision is probably OK. But I also believe that KC needs to address takedowns. If they are as highly scored as they seem to be in this fight, I fear that more fights will just be one takedown counter after the other, resulting in lots of really boring fights. And I for myself certainly won't watch those. This was so dull to experience...
I feel like these takedowns were very superficial in comparison to the damage that Gabriel did. I do hope they change the rule set as it just doesn’t seem right for a karate match to be won by takedowns.
@@stanclark3992what kind of argument is that? It's in the name: *Karate* Combat.
I think they are saying wrestling style takedowns like single-leg or double-leg takedowns should not be allowed in the ruleset for Karate Combat. And I agree with them.
Do you think Varga would not have trained to stop those takedowns if he had known it would be allowed without penalty?
Do YOU think "Karate Combat" should be focused on karate versus wrestling? It's not UFC 1 "Karate versus Sumo versus BJJ versus Kempo versus Boxing".
It's JUST *Karate* Combat.
For people who want the whole shebang including BJJ, wrestling, etc, MMA exists now.
@@stanclark3992in short, Karate is not designed to stop wrestling takedowns, no. Did you think this is a gotcha?
It's like you're saying why didn't strikers who signed up for a karate promotion expect someone to wrestle?
Does Karate teach wrestling?
It's like you just throw together word salads like a bot.
Oh. Maybe you are a bot. I do not think you even watched the fight.
Yeah I got bored and unsubscribed
If you need a fourth round, and one fighter drops the other in a rather passive round, how it goes to the one who got dropped is beyond me.
What a weird fight. It’s true, though, that Varga got shut down pretty effectively. But I wouldn’t say he got bested.
dropping someone down, means the other guy the drops u, can take control over you and just beat u down if nobody stops him.
on top the one who controls the fight etc. is the one who should get the points, in this case Skivers.
@@helioshyperion8077 "Dropping" someone means hitting them so hard that they fall down.
What you're talking about is called throwing or tripping, or taking down.
If it's not in the fucking rule set that takedowns score, they shouldn't fucking score them. If they want takedowns to score, JUST PUT IT IN THE MOTHERFUCKING RULE SET!
I feel like this is a growing pains thing.
Like in muay thai if red throws a solid leg kick, it lands, but blue doesn't react and keeps pressure or checks. Blue wins that exchange.
Same exchange in a kickboxing match might go to red.
Every fight sport / promotion has that type of "scoring meta" and I feel like this one right just hasn't quite solidified.
@@willburchfield They have settled on a set of criteria, but no one understands them. When the fighters don’t know what they can do or should do, that’s a critical issue. I hope it gets resolved.
@@MrTheWaterbear agree I've watched a few of these fights now and still aren't exactly sure the "rule set". (I know they have official explanations but I mean what's weighted how and when something is legal vs not, like the 12 to 6 elbow confusion in ufc )
This fight is a great advert to any wrestlers who have some basic striking to join up to ‘Karate’ Combat and clean up using take downs 😆
This was very disappointing strategy from Skrivers and even the fact that it barely worked and he got a win by the skin of his teeth doesn't make it any good. This made for a very boring fight. The fact that in post fight interview Srivers admited that Varga is better striker than him and that spamming takedowns was indeed his strategy made me even more disappointed. Previous Skrivers fights were interesting, had action, exchanges, power. This was just "SPAM TAKEDOWN" :/ To think in pre-fight interviews he said he was gonna "smesh". And all that just because he wants to get to Rocha... Very disappointing.
@@stanclark3992Skrivers barely did any striking. What are you talking about? 😂
Are you saying VARGA isn't any good at striking? Have you SEEN any of Varga's career fights in kickboxing and Karate Combat or are you paid by the Skrivers public relations crew to just spam nonsense that kisses Skriver's butt?
I think one issue that needs to be addressed immediately is referee training. Seems like they got some ‘B’ list refs in this event. My guess would be that was due to the UFC event in Jacksonville on the same day. I think that a ref like say Mark Goddard or some other more established ref that had several of these events under their belt would have done a better job controlling the takedown abuse. It’s important to remember that KC writes the ruleset, and that the Athletic Commission has to enforce it. So problems can come from either the definition or application of the rules. But I am in total agreement that Skrivers was allowed to play outside of what most understand the rules to be, and made what should’ve been a barn burner a total nothingburger, culminating in a very questionable 4th round decision.
Takedown Combat 😴
Can someone please explain to me why this even went to a 4th round? Apparently Skrivers won the first round with a series of illegal double-leg takedowns and completed two more in the fourth. Very little “karate” in his performance and more MMA than anything else. Varga was clearly the better striker, stuff multiple takedown attempts and won both the second, third and fourth rounds. Varga dropped Skrivers at 15:35 with a stiff right hand in the fourth which was the most impactful strike in the fight. It should never have gone to four and even then, Varga won the fourth. KC, please get the application of the rules straight and ensure that your judges understand what is considered illegal.
I see Gabriel winning, on damage, the leg kicks mostly
@@stanclark3992why did they match up Varga with someone who refused to strike?
Leg kicks are okay and it's cool if it's for strategy or even hobbles the opponent. But it would be a bummer if that's all the striking there was in a particular Karate Combat match 😅
However, Varga did get a nice knockdown on Skrivers and Varga was striking with more than just calf kicks. Sometimes Skriver did attempt some strikes but too few and far between.
Why are kicks to the thigh illegal? seems pretty dumb to me
After reviewing the rules, the last 2 takedowns from Skrivers were 100% illegal and so them and their ground and pound after should NOT have scored at all.
The fourth round comprised of:
2 arguably legal takedowns where Varga hit Skrivers more during them, with the first he landed more punches, in the second he kicked him in the head from the bottom position while taking nothing in return.
Pretty much equal calf kicks (Varga landed more, Skrivers landed one stronger one)
A full on knockdown causing a bleeding wound from Varga to Skrivers
2 illegal double leg takedowns leading to some ground and pound - should have been disregarded as coming from illegal techniques.
The judges need to learn the rules better. The rules need to be better communicated. At the time I thought Varga may have lost the round, but after looking at the rules it's impossible to conclude Skrivers won that.
Bro forgot it was karate combat and started wrestling
While few of Varga's hits were above the knees, they weren't nearly as blatant as illegal takedowns (double legs that are not a result of catching a kick). I do not understand why do ref and commentators not acknowledge this blatant cheating
Overall, an okay decision, but can't help but feel Varga got a bit screwed and that he seemed like better fighter overall
Bullshit decision. Varga threw just about all of the strikes and landed most of them, then add the kicks. Skrivers just wrestled. If you can win 'karate combat' by wrestling then something is very suspect about your tournament.... Varga robbed....
If wrestling is allowed, then let him wrestle. But the fact that everytime he took down varga, he literally didnt land any significant strikes at all.
This match was insulting. Skrivers flouted the rules and the ref refused to enforce them. Skrivers went all 4 limbs down, knees down, and was still allowed to work. Varga completely dominated the striking exchanges and dropped him in the fourth round. This was a robbery and KC is no longer a promotion I will follow if this is the future of competition here.
Isn't it frustrating that basic wrestling can nullify or even beat high level striking.
No, because you still need to strike to do damage.
It’s what the ufc was founded on baby!
If it’s basic, why cannot they nullify takedowns with his high level striking?
If you want to be a great striker you need to have solid takedown defence. Guys like Max Holloway, Jose Aldo, etc. all had this. Trouble is this is Karate Combat so you shouldn't have to focus on defending takedowns since it's supposed to mostly be striking.
My understanding is that takedown in KC are supposed to be based on takedown found across all Karate styles. I am ok with allowing all upper body Judo throws, sweeps l, and trips, and of course single leg takedowns only when a kick is cought
WhAt a joke. So you allow takedowns but don’t allow heelhooks or subs lmao.
U get taken down and you know you could strangle him but instead u just gotta hug and wait for the ref to seperate and have the lazy takedown scored against you
Is this Karate Combat or Wrestler Combat? If this is a legit way to win in Karate Combat then expect every wrestler with a good shot to be signing up real soon.
karate has everything. if u havent done karate u know nothing and should stfu internet warrior
Takedowns are allowed, and after that, you can hit your opponent for 5 seconds, I don’t see why you’re surprised
@@lamblias6od I wont be surprised when wrestlers takeover "Karate" combat. Thats my point.
@@lamblias6od its because these mmassh0l3s are trolling, its the usual scenario of ''muay thai/boxers'' are thai is better than this martial art, or boxing better than this, kind like ''my pokemon is better than yours'' LOL
bunch of kid personalities thats what they are.
its cringe to see these trolls talk smack to these athletes, but they dont understand most of these fighters gonna knock their favourite fighter ez.
we saw what happen to a bellator star who came to fight and got himself handled by a shorter fighter namely Aghayev.
most of these mma fighters /thai/boxers have 0 skill when it comes to fight from long distance, thats why u see them struggle so much.
as for the takedown cringe crying, its because these kids learned karate from karate kid or cobra kai or some karate chop b.s movie w/e
they have 0 clue what karate is and it speaks volumes from their commenting stuff they have 0 knowledge about.
@@TacticalMartialArts What I'm saying is that takedowns exist even in traditional karate. If you go to a karate school, they will teach you takedowns, so it seems strange to me that you mention 'karate' as if it's not normal in that martial art. I would understand your point if it were kickboxing or Muay Thai.
Furthermore, Edgars had never resorted to takedowns to win a fight before, but Gabriel is a very good striker, so the easiest way to defeat him was by using takedowns, especially considering that Gabriel is not good at takedowns.
Takedowns without any effective strikes score higher than a knockdown??? 🤯🧐
Just gotta shove your opponents down. This is the karate champion way of winning
To be fair it was not really a knockdown, the hit was not direct. it scraped his forehead and cut it, but it was not a knockout.
Gabriel Varga vs warm body
dont undertand why the wrestling won here againts a knockdown, even when he dropped Varga there was no damage, only put him to the mat...
Perhaps the times, three takedowns vs that only punch
To be fair it was not really a knockdown, the hit was not direct. it scraped his forehead and cut it, but it was not a knockout.
Who put gabrie varga as 5.8💀
I had Skrivers R1, Vargas R2 and R3.
No need for R4.
Yet, R4 was even could go each side. Vargas did a couple calf kicks and aplied a knockdown, Skrivers had the takedowns but only the last one with some ground n' pound.
I really like that takedowns are legal. As takedowns and ground and pound are common in Karate. But Skrivers is clearly using them as a stall tactic because he can’t stand with Varga. He’s just spamming things like he doesn’t even want to fight. Very frustrating fight.
Gabe clearly won via damage. This decision was garbage.
Apparently shoving someone over will score you points becuase this was pretty much skriver was doing
@@stanclark3992why are you spamming all over the comment section? Are you Edgar's account or only have brain damage? Also, why do you start every comment with "hi @user"? Have you had other human interactions in your life?
Karate combat has such a weird ruleset... Feels like it's still in beta test.
@@stanclark3992get a life,bot
I see a lot of people used the excuse of "Karate has grappling" and similar ones.
See it this way: SUMO has takedowns and strikings, but it has RULES. If you break that rules, you lose. If your takedowns have your hand or knee touching the ground, you lose. If your striking use fist instead of palm, you lose. Illegal techniques are banned and lead to instant lost and possibly career-ending. These don't make sumo a lesser art than MMA, wrestling, muay thai, etc. These makes sumo sumo.
You can say the same with Olympic judo, a lot of traditional judo takedowns are illegal there. Or muay thai, only specific takedowns are allowed there.
So what's with "karate has grappling" that excuses illegal techniques? Karate has eye pokes, groin strikes, etc, so should we see those techniques in tournament too, who cares if they're illegal or not?
Wrestling combat?!
This skriver guy is pulling double leg takedowns every single time and no one says anything? Even the refs and judges dont know the rules. Gosh this sport is a joke
varga got robbed
nope he sucked
He didn’t get robbed
@@Seraphoverpheonix let them cry, losers cant handle loss.
@@helioshyperion8077everytime skriver took him down, he ate kicks and punches trying to land strikes on varga LOL. Then he wins by performing an illegal leg takedown and lands flimsy punches to gabriel’s arm and that somehow made him the victor. This sport is such a joke.
@@Jeremyhuckaby oh please i dont see how varga on the score board performed better, u understand that Karate Combat scores more in favour of the guy who keep push the pit, pressure = wins
skivers did more pressure compared to varga, varga sat and waited to counter, and scoreboard showed he did less, it appeared he kicked more but most of his strikes didnt land. got blocked more. so idk how biased u are but it sounds you are varga fanboy.
Ref needs to push him the hell off if he's got his knee on the guy's neck... Why the fuck is he saying, "WATCH THAT KICK. GABRIEL" when all Gabe did was kick him in the leg? Does he think the guy's ballsack is on his knee?
too much takedown bs
🙄
Not bs actually really effective & dangerous
This is a wrestler VS. muay thai fighter in a Karate fight.
Well i sure as hell didnt know that the double and single leg takedowns existed in karate
Only one fighter here was embodying what this promotion is supposed to be about?.
Ericson should have more kicks for stay in distance, because for me, Ericson have one of the best performance in Karate combat
ah yes that most karate of techniques, the double leg takedown. good stuff KC xD
If i wanted to watch two sweaty men roll around together I would watch MMA.
I know this fight gets more eyeballs since because of Varga, but fighters achieving success in KC because of ground and pound has been established early on by Aghayev.
Not if he is using illegal maneuvers. The rules state that leg takedowns are illegal and in that final round, he literally did a leg takedown that decided the victor
I'm shocked of 10:30, is it even legal ?
No, according to the Karate Combat rules page. Under FOULS section: "Single and Double leg takedowns"
He did the same illegal stuff after 15:55 to run the clock and get the "win". :(
NOPE
Takedown Combat
It's Our Year Everyone. The 🌍 is Watching. Break a Leg! Or2!
Take downs are the thing that basically kill Sanda in China, fights turn from exciting exchange of techniques to just wrestling
For the average viewer, this fight is boring, but for a fight enthusiast, this fight is brilliant to watch
Were they sparing?
At the very least, the scoring system needs to be clarified. How are take downs scored?
There is one thing I know for sure, this arm pit sniffer did not win this fight
LFG!! 🔥🔥
from my point of view it was a close call but vargas’s style is in my opinion closest to karate combat idea of a winner, if we want to take in consideration a different point of view and not always about death combat situation
A clear disparity of striking vs takedowns. Is the act of a takedown in or of itself the goal, or is the goal the result from the position it presents, and the resultant strikes to the grounded opponent? Where should the scoring be focused towards? This was an excercise in getting beaten in the standup versus takedowns with ineffectual outcomes.
Not a fan of Skrivers style. Too much ground and pound, but if it works, it works.
It sucks. I watch MMA for ground and pound. The strikers who signed up especially for the karate-like ruleset will just go somewhere else if it ends up being a wrestling-heavy sport.
I notice they both identify as Shotokan, but they actually use a stance from Isshinryu karate, not Shotokan, and they also both use Isshinryu double bone blocks rather than shotokan single bone blocks. Interesting.
Rellax! He won!
The way edgar won was through a rule exploit.. after all his talking saying this was for the championship etc and for him to have to win the bout like this is disappointing.
So many things wrong with this. The rules are not clear, the refs are not trained or qualified enough to ref cause of these rules it seems, and scoring wise why would take downs in a karate match score more than strikes and knockdowns? Gabriel on the feet was clearly a different level and it showed. Wow this was a let down and gabe is the one that got the shit end of things cause he won the fight but lost due to these weird circumstances smh
The rules are very unclear to begin with. I'm sorry but nobody wants to see someone shooting for takedowns the entire fight
Can someone tell me why the ref was telling Gabriel to ‘watch the kick’ over and over? It wasn’t anywhere the twig & berries so what was the problem?
The vision mixing is really poor here. Main shot is too wide. I can't see what's happening in detail.
Such a boring match. Takedown shouldnt score high in a karate match. This is to encourage more striking. Karate combat should understand if people want to watch takedown, they watch mma
Very odd fight.
Bs takedown alone shouldn't be enough
Varga is atleast 5'10?
Hello from algeria and OSS
Nice wrestling competiton
Varga won.
The replay van needs improvement thsts for sure
This fight made me realize that Karate Combat was just watered-down MMA, and I stopped being as interested in it. I originally thought of it as kickboxing with takedowns (Sanda, but better because ground-and-pound is allowed), which I like, but nahh...
So, why would anyone watch this over full-blown MMA?
Wtf, Skrivers totally abused the takedowns. KC is a striking combat sport, not MMA. You should not be able to win a fight due to talkedowns which didn't do any damage. What a bullshit. I am pissed of. That's not what I want to see, when I watch a KC fight.
They need to get their shit together. These rules are a total mess.
Aw my digital coach lost 😢 good Job to the other guy.
I'm new to Karate combat and as someone who came from watching MMA, this is some good stuff. However can anyone tell me why takedowns are allowed if the ref is just gonna stand them up in like 2 seconds? Just need some clarification on that
If you score a takedown the only thing essentially you are allowed is ground and pound but from standing above the competitor, not while in the guard on top of him. Also g&p is only 5 seconds and they stand the fighters up. Fun fact only single leg takedowns are allowed.
@@greatbluerabbit1265 Ah, thanks for that 🙏🏾. It kept boggling me the entire time
To add a bit more if a fighter has his back on the pit wall it is considered like he is standing up so all goes as kicks etc. Once on the floor only g&p with the hands.
There is nothing wrong with wrestlers joining in Karate combat is a concept of fighting; fighters need to adapt to other aspects of competitors gameplay.
I don’t think you’re allowed to grapple like that in karate
9:32 Watch what? Outside lowkick not allowed? Or ref feeling like he needs to say something for no reason? I get it inside lowkick in orthodox vs southpaw match up but outside? XD
Illegal takedowns but he didn't say nothing about those, what an amateur.
Takedowns are not boring pretty much the opposite SLAM!
Tell me why fights are always showing striking instead of takedowns and wrestling. It’s boring to see two guys hugging each
Skrivers made a brilliant and intelligent fight, stop crying hahaha
Pitty pat pitty pat until the last 10 seconds. How do two grown men fight for 9 minutes without hurting each other?? Please don't hurt me....
Apparently some people are really surprised that karate includes takedowns.
Really surprised at how skriver wasnt penalized for using leg takedowns. The decision-making takedown was literally a textbook double leg takedown which are stated in the rules to be an illegal maneveur. This sport is such garbage that the refs and judges dont even know their own rules
Single leg takedowns yeah, not double leg takedowns.
A lot of comments here say Karate Combat is not Karate if there is a lot of takedowns. Are you guys kidding or what? The Okinawan dojos from pre 1900s placed much emphasis on both the throwing and takedown aspects for their Tote Jutsu or the old version of Karate since it had historic roots in Tegumi or the traditional wrestling art from Okinawa. They did not just practice the striking methods from various imported forms of Chinese arts. Old Karate was meant to be an eclectic system of striking and grappling before it got exported to mainland Japan and turn into a striking art around 1905. To be able to defend yourself, it is crucial to know various ranges of combat. It is not inaccurate to have good wrestling skills like George St Pierre Thanks a lot for making lots of confusion regarding the history of Okinawan traditional arts just like that dense and outdated idea that old school Judo somehow did not have ground techniques.
Online Source: Tegumi The Traditional Wrestling Art From Okinawa
The rules state that leg takedowns are illegal unless you catch someone’s kick. Skriver clearly performed many double leg takedowns and the ref and judge dont even their own rules
What a joke. Refs need to be more careful with allowing foul wrestling/mma moves seeping into karate combat. This is supposed to be a karate-based, striking-focused competition, and we just gave this match to someone who had nothing but double leg takedowns.
I watch kc because I dont like wrestling..
That wasn't Karate, that was bad wrestling. Egars was clearly afraid to strike with Varga, and the take downs did more to waste everyone's time than damage anyone.
Better change the name of the promotion to Wrestling Combat
weird-those takedown attempts were not good enough and should have been countered easily
Varga should have won. He DROPPED skrivers in the decisive round. Skrivers got take downs, nothing more.
Gabriel himself spoiled the outcome lol. He has stated multiple times that he lost.
Because he's a professional and he goes by what the judges say. He's not Connor mcnuggets with a broken leg sitting on the pitfall saying he wants to go out to the parking lot but he can't walk. Gabriel is not gonna make excuses. He's gonna go train and get better on the things that he didn't do well in. And I'm sorry mate, but this isn't the wrestling championship. And you could tell this kid clearly didn't want to strike with Gabriel
@@matthew-jy5jp I wasn't calling him out for being upfront
@@johngr1747 what are you getting at then?
@@matthew-jy5jp Just stating the fact
This was frustrating to watch.
Are single and double leg takedowns legal or not? The rules still say they are not.
Varga needs to work on his grappling if they’re legal.
If these types of takedowns are legal then thigh kicks and elbows should be legal.
Hammer fists should be legal.
Clinch strikes should be legal.
Hook kicks should be legal.
Open hand strikes should be legal.
Finger strikes should be legal barring eye or throat strikes.
We will probably see more Judo moves to counter the wrestling.
I’m confused as to what the rules are, but with only 3 rounds it makes sense to wrestle because stamina isn’t as much of an issue.