Remember when he had to ditch the splitter for the slider . Which is funny cause they had him ditch slider for splitter when he first came to the bigs. Then they had him go back to the slider when they felt he kept getting arm injuries throwing it . He actually was more durable after the change but it could've been an overall revamp of his mechanics then losing that pitch . He was so good moving the fastball that anything off his FB was dangerous
I just watched a youtube video where he talks about that. He basically just changed his slider grip going with the more common grip later in his career. He called the first one a 4 seam slider which I think he felt was a little nastier, but you know, came with a price.
Smoltz and Maddux were really strange pitchers, even by MLB standards. Let alone the HOF. Maddux almost NEVER threw a four seam fastball, a pitch that virtually every pitcher in the MLB throws. And Smoltz only throws three different pitches. Very unusual for a starter.
@@CanadaMMA That was all Smoltz needed because all three were freaking NASTY! Best stuff I've ever seen when he was on. Maddux is the best pitcher I ever saw but Smoltz was always my favorite to watch.
@Bread And Circuses Starters usually have four pitches or more because they need to use more deception vs relief pitchers due to the longer outings. Batters will have an easier time adjusting to three pitchers vs four after all. Smoltz was just good enough he could get by on three.
It was a great time for fans of pitching. Even if you caught a 4th or 5th starter game, you may not get to see Maddux, Glavine or Smoltz play but you still got to see someone like Steve Avery or Kent Mercker. I got to see Mercker's no hitter while eating lunch at a Hooters. Then you had relievers like Greg McMichael and Mark Wohlers. Great times
He also missed a change up at the end of the video (which the commentator called correctly). Crazy how his slider, splitter, and change up all had very similar late downward movement.
He said on MLB Network that he didn't learn the slider until he got to the big leagues. He said the slider is better than the curve at that level because it looks like a FB out of the hand longer. I'm sure I remember him throwing some straight curve balls too though.
IggySixFigures different grip and action split if thrown correctly looks like a fastball but has downward action circle change moves laterally more the masters of it glavine Maddox usually get it to drift left. I ask people was is the filthiest pitch ever I’m between 4 koufaxs 12 6 Rivera cutter Hoffman’s changeup smoltz slider
Sliders tend to have a sharp hook in the movement -- some guys it can be more vertical but usually it's the lateral movement away from the pitcher's throwing arm. Splitters the movement is usually compared to a ball rolling on a table and then just falling off. With some pitchers the split can move almost like a changeup -- sort of like lose steam and fall off, while others it can almost seem like it speeds up and dive bombs the plate. It's basically a sloppy 2-seamer with more exaggerated movement to get guys to chase. They're also hardly thrown anymore, but were really popular from the 80s thru the 2000s.
sliders start moving from the very beginning to the outside of the plate once a pitcher releases the pitch, which causes many batters to "chase" that pitch. Splitters move late. Splitters look like a fastball and then at the very end, they ball just goes down. Roger Clemens, Curt Schilling, and Mike Scott had the best splitters ive ever seen.
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IMO the best looking delivery I’ve seen. It just looked mechanically perfect.
Remember when he had to ditch the splitter for the slider . Which is funny cause they had him ditch slider for splitter when he first came to the bigs. Then they had him go back to the slider when they felt he kept getting arm injuries throwing it .
He actually was more durable after the change but it could've been an overall revamp of his mechanics then losing that pitch .
He was so good moving the fastball that anything off his FB was dangerous
I just watched a youtube video where he talks about that. He basically just changed his slider grip going with the more common grip later in his career. He called the first one a 4 seam slider which I think he felt was a little nastier, but you know, came with a price.
Smoltz was fire in the playoffs.
John and Schilling are the two best modern day playoff pitchers. I think Smoltz was 15-4.
Damn remember growing up watching Smoltz time sure flies
He painted corners just like Maddux but with HEAT.
Smoltz and Maddux were really strange pitchers, even by MLB standards. Let alone the HOF.
Maddux almost NEVER threw a four seam fastball, a pitch that virtually every pitcher in the MLB throws. And Smoltz only throws three different pitches. Very unusual for a starter.
@@CanadaMMA That was all Smoltz needed because all three were freaking NASTY! Best stuff I've ever seen when he was on. Maddux is the best pitcher I ever saw but Smoltz was always my favorite to watch.
@Bread And Circuses
Starters usually have four pitches or more because they need to use more deception vs relief pitchers due to the longer outings. Batters will have an easier time adjusting to three pitchers vs four after all.
Smoltz was just good enough he could get by on three.
I grew up watching the Orioles, but used to love watching those Braves games on the TBS Superstation in the 90's lol...also the Cubs on WGN.
It was a great time for fans of pitching. Even if you caught a 4th or 5th starter game, you may not get to see Maddux, Glavine or Smoltz play but you still got to see someone like Steve Avery or Kent Mercker. I got to see Mercker's no hitter while eating lunch at a Hooters. Then you had relievers like Greg McMichael and Mark Wohlers. Great times
Me too I watched those three channels all the time!
1:24 was a slider. Commentator was wrong also
He also missed a change up at the end of the video (which the commentator called correctly). Crazy how his slider, splitter, and change up all had very similar late downward movement.
Forgot the occasional sidearm quickpitch fastball and the even rarer knuckler.
How about Mike Mussina?👍✌🏽😊
his splitter looks like a circle change
Will you do Pedro?
Hey Mvpflf could u possibly do a Cliff Lee pitching repertoire video?
Oh yesss
Another pitcher that you should make a video on is Roy Halladay?
I'm surprised you haven't done a Cole Hamels pitching repertoire video yet.
Mrmetftw why?
George Costanza I'm pretty sure MVPFLF is a big Cole Hamels fan.
Yeah Hamels is a G...He'll be up tomorrow.
How about Charlie Leibrandt?
Could you do a Nolan Ryan?
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SMOLTZ IS A CUTIE PIE
Listen to that glove smack
1/3 of the trio of doom
Also had a pretty good curve, but rarely threw it. Probably a B grade pitch
He said on MLB Network that he didn't learn the slider until he got to the big leagues. He said the slider is better than the curve at that level because it looks like a FB out of the hand longer. I'm sure I remember him throwing some straight curve balls too though.
What is the difference between a slider and splitter?
IggySixFigures different grip and action split if thrown correctly looks like a fastball but has downward action circle change moves laterally more the masters of it glavine Maddox usually get it to drift left. I ask people was is the filthiest pitch ever I’m between 4 koufaxs 12 6 Rivera cutter Hoffman’s changeup smoltz slider
@@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs Thank You
Sliders tend to have a sharp hook in the movement -- some guys it can be more vertical but usually it's the lateral movement away from the pitcher's throwing arm. Splitters the movement is usually compared to a ball rolling on a table and then just falling off. With some pitchers the split can move almost like a changeup -- sort of like lose steam and fall off, while others it can almost seem like it speeds up and dive bombs the plate. It's basically a sloppy 2-seamer with more exaggerated movement to get guys to chase. They're also hardly thrown anymore, but were really popular from the 80s thru the 2000s.
Phoneybeetlemaniacxs Good list, but I think Randy Johnson's slider may have been better than Smoltz's.
sliders start moving from the very beginning to the outside of the plate once a pitcher releases the pitch, which causes many batters to "chase" that pitch.
Splitters move late. Splitters look like a fastball and then at the very end, they ball just goes down. Roger Clemens, Curt Schilling, and Mike Scott had the best splitters ive ever seen.
Fuckin Smoltzyyy!
How fast do you think his FB was? Trying to make him in MLB The Show 17.
Adam Katsch 93-95 mostly
They say he topped out at 98 or 99
MVPFLF Who said that?
while he was the closer for the Braves, he topped off at 99mph frequently.
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Hell yeah