One of the great things about a small town church. 90% of all men are armed including the preacher. And probably 30-40% of the women are also armed. Me and my wife both carry.
Haha, so I go to a small nondenominational church that's actually fairly closely associated with John MacArthur if anyone knows who he is. A year ago or so, we did a fairly large remodel, because we still had orange carpet and pews from the seventies, so forty years ago or so. It's a fairly small church so all the work was done by people who volunteered their time. So it took a few months but finally we got the whole thing finished. The first Sunday when everything was done, the pastor just said hey, please be careful with all the knives and guns you guys carry, and make sure you don't put holes in the new pews, and he said it as a joke, but it just made me thankful for the like minded attitude by most people in my church. Also, one of the elders is a former deputy sheriff, and one time, he went up to close the service in prayer, and his suit jacket got caught on his pistol so everyone could see, funniest thing ever haha. Sorry that you had to deal with this though.
I have to say, your congregation sounds a little more to my liking. I am very surprised that that these guys acted like this. I guess with more people comes more regulations and when regulations grow, freedom dies! California, or perhaps New York would be a prime example. Anyway, thank you for sharing your story as well as taking the time to watch the video!
Chase, You did everything right it was they who caused panic. The guy could have just asked to speak with you in private from the beginning. Luckily no such issues at our church. 12 official armed security team congregants and dozens more unofficial.
I would of said, “Yes, I’m legally concealing and carrying a firearm. No, I’m not coming with you.” If they keep bothering, then I would ask if they would want me to leave or can I stay to watch the service. They were just interrogating you, that’s it. It could of gone bad where they could of tried to take your firearm away from you or wrestle you for it. Give them an answer and either stay or leave. They can’t hold you against your own will legally.
I work in the security field. Those so called security were way out of line. Had I approached you. I would’ve politely said. We got a report of a person with a gun. As soon as you and I talked and verified you had your concealed license. I would’ve again politely thanked you for your patience and left it at that. Nothing more would’ve been said. Except shook your hand and said have a nice day.
You did a great job. You were patient & professional. You should go back and attend service. Do not allow what happened deter you, from attending service there with your wife. Who I believe you mentioned works there. There is no reason moving forward, for them to harras you. If you don't they win. Great job. Thank you.
Rolando De La Rosa Thank you for for taking the time to leave such an encouraging comment. I really appreciate you taking the time to watch the video as well!
"we're trying to keep everyone save." ok....I don't know if anyone in my church is armed but with a retired sheriff, a guy who does armed security, two police officers, former military personnel & a truck driver who carries because his job requires him to carry cash I hope they come to church armed as well as any other member of the congregation who can legally carry. At my sister's church she not only carries but pointed out everyone on their security force, one was the pastor. A friend of mine at work knows everyone on the security team as well as their sidearm of choice. None of these people have ever come up to anyone asking out loud "are you armed" or even when someone was talking about guns did they cause a scene. Why you ask...cuz doing that would cause panic. Not me having a gun. Nor would they send the entire group after me
I'm curious. Were these gentlemen actually confronting a guy with a gun with out actually being armed themselves? A nut case would not have had conversation. They just start shooting. A group that wants to be safe would have the means to fend off any attack. Parishioners would be armed if they had their CCW.
Isn't that something? It was clear that not one ounce of forethought went into their confrontation. I'm uncertain what their plan of attack was If I was there to harm people. Not to mention, If someone was on "the edge" I could see how their haphazard approach could push that person into the very direction they were hoping to avoid. I truly believe their hearts were in the right places though. It was simply a lack of training/ understanding of how to approach situations such as this one. Thank you for watching as well as taking the time to leave your thoughts.
Honestly I wouldn’t go to a church that wouldn’t allow its parishioners or members to carry a firearm. Everybody knows the least safe place on earth is a gun free zone. This is why schools and churches of been targets for violence. I thought you handled it very well. Like you said nobody’s perfect and in a very tense situation specially when they’ve got you circled like you said I would do the same thing including not going back! Honestly the only thing that you can do to prevent this type of action from any sure sure establishment is that you either keep it completely concealed, or you get to gather with as many members of that church that carry guns and encourage others to do so and then when one person is singled out now you have a coalition or at least a network or group that will stand with you! Don’t get me wrong I really love God and I pray daily I read his word daily but I am not above leaving a church to treat people that way. I’m also a tithing member which means I give quite a bit and when I leave they lose a lot.
Sad to know that people who claims that they're follower the Lord Jesus Christ has no depolmasay it's sad; my friend stay true to your love for the Lord man
Chase Palagi I'm glade you n your family are ok sorry you had go thru that BS I'm thinking about CCL and wondering do you get harassed more when you have conceal and Carry
David Horton Thank you David. In fairness, I probably should have been more careful to keep everything concealed. It really is a shame that it has to be that way but I guess that is the world we live in. I personally prefer to conceal my firearms for several reasons. Most of which are strategic. Retaining the element of surprise. Also I find it very nerve wracking to be in close proximity to people while open carrying, especially when people are behind you like in grocery lines ect. I always try to be aware of my surroundings however it's seems like more work when open carrying. Also I suppose avoiding unwanted attention is not a bad thing. Every one has different preferences, this just happens to be mine. If you have anything you feel you may need help with or any sort of gear recommendations such as Guns, holsters, sights, belts, ect just let me know and I'd be happy to help. Thank you for your comment as well as taking the time to watch!
Exactly. Until they start flashing badges you didn't have to tell them a damned thing. Just let them know they're on a slippery slope what they're doing and if they have any other concerns to call the police.
Gun ownership is NOT a crime no matter how much people wish it was you shouldn't be giving out your adress to people like that. They may have called the cops and said u were brandishing
I let them do the talk then ask them which one of you are going to jump in front of that bullet? Then shut up I'm the only person in charge of my safety not you because clearly your not going to protect me.
Were our own personal security detail.. you did the rite thing dude. I would have been pissd and I would have handled it the same 100 percent. It's a tough call!!
"I keep my concealed weapon at home where it belongs" ??? That's why he also leaves his car in the driveway and walks #idiot. You did a great job in keeping your cool👍
@@dillidson8653 it just depends on what I am feeling for that particular day and/ or on the clothes I wear. Most common is a Sig p320 compact or subcompact or a good ol Glock 19. I will switch it up as I said but those are the ones that get carried most. If I wear a suit, normally a shield or xds
@@chasepalagi7675 nice I wish I could say the same sadly I just have 1 firearm scry cox I definitely am interested in looking into a another 1 or 2 maybe to just switch it up sounds good man you're awesome !
"I'm as pro 2A as it gets, but do you need more than 10 rounds to protect yourself?" "I'm a gun owner myself, all I ask for is common sense gun laws" "We don't want to take your guns, but do you need weapons of war to protect yourself?"
I’m watching this 5 years after you posted it. Within those 5 years there was two church shootings where an armed citizen took out the bad guy. I bet those security guards feel pretty stupid thinking back about what they did to you.
What sort of church has like a gang security. Id of told them if they are not law enforcement they have no reason to question me and i have no requirement to talk with them.
SpacemanMoto It was certainly a larger church. My first thought was to not engage at all. Then I was thinking that I wanted to keep everything smooth for my wife's sake as she worked there. When the one guy came up he was actually kind of timid. I figured that I'd talk to him outside alone to ease his, or whoever's mind. Honestly I was having fun with it initially but it got annoying in a quick hurry. Although I knew better even then, I figured it would be the polite and least confrontational way of going about it. At any rate, lesson learned! Thanks for watching and taking the time to leave your thoughts.
Chase Palagi So they have a whole security force but they all leave their guns at home?.... We call those folks victims... I’d rather have a couple good men with firearms than a whole group of unarmed targets....
@@chasepalagi7675 I actually was on a church security staff much like the one you've described for about 5 years. We all carried radios, and our primary focus was on the safety of the children. It is a larger church, at that time we had 1200-1800 members fluxing any given month with people who would attend once or twice and move on, perhaps trying other churches for the right fit. Another synchronicity, my wife at the time worked for the church as well similar to you. So I can definitely appreciate your situation, wanting to be as helpful as possible and ease the minds of her superiors. All these people saying they would have put the church security staff in their place, simply aren't able to appreciate your situation. You handled yourself very well in my opinion. You likely would not have been as frustrated if this had happened in my church, as our unofficial head of the team and long time usher was an avid 2nd Amendment proponent and often hosted recreational shooting events on his property. I'm sorry you were treated with such uneven respect even after fully cooperating with the security team. Nice job keeping your cool. Props sir.
shavguru lol. It is a pretty big church which I'm not normally a huge fan of. The "security" were some plain clothes guys with some ear peices. Based on their lack of poise and their general demeanor I seriously doubt they were pros. If I had to guess, I'd even say they were volunteer "security". Anyway, thank you for watching!
As a 22 year Police Officer, Concealed carry instructor and part of my church security team I calculated on any given Sunday we have about 50 armed people at services. You did everything right. These guys seem a little overzealous to me. Carry on…. Good job!
@@joeterp5615 Then how do you plan on putting an end to this? The "church security" team is doing nothing more than harassing new members. And they're not even concealed carrying! The level of weakness and cowardice exuded by this "security team" is shocking. They're literally accomplishing the exact opposite of the goal they were charged with.
@@keres993 hi - I no longer see the comment I was replying to, so I don’t have the context for my answer. I agree this was a gross overreach, but this other commenter suggested something that seemed like an inappropriate reaction to me too.
Guy was being a "Barney Fife", he was trying to look like a real "operator" in front of his buddies, unless he was actual law enforcement, I would have just ignored him, if he insisted, I would have given him an earful. nothing like a bunch of "fudds" trying to impose their cowardly point of view on someone else. The Pastor would have gotten a phone call that's for sure. find a different church. You were more "christian" than they were.
Remember people can be fickle and I'm being nice when I say that you did a stellar performance you respected where you were and you conducted yourself better than most
just cuz he has a gun, doesn't mean hes Clint Eastwood. You have absolutely no idea how proficient he is with his gun, yet you are willing to put your life in his hands!? I'm glad I'm not you dude!!
@@eenormus1688 so you would prefer the alternative? I'd rather have a good guy with a gun then a bad guy with one. I take your point and advocate serious training if one chooses to carry a gun. That being said, I still contend that most people have enough common sense to operate a handgun. I understand that things don't happen at all how you would think in a situation like that but anything to put pressure on an attacker and take attention off innocents is the end goal. Yes people with good intentions can do collateral damage but so can trained professionals. It is a forgone conclusion that the attacker is shooting fish in a barrel. If something tragic happens in order to stop the threat, that is not ideal but it beats the alternative.
***** well said! We can dance around precautions until the end of time but when evil people want to do harm, they will find a way regardless of laws and preventative measures. The very thing that scares these people, ironically it what usually saves them!
Except if someone wants to come in and shoot up the church, then metal detectors won't protect anything. Only having concealed carry holders, private security, or police officers present at the time of the attack will stop anything.
I think the State of Alabama, did a PSA on Active Shooter/ Place of employment. I was impressed with the whole video. I live North if DC in MD, we have VIP CCW (Slim to None chances any above average person will get one, extremely difficult, expensive and you need a Special Circumstance and Political connections. Next door in Virginia they have CCW and honor reciprocity, different world), anyway it's a wet dream come true to think you can prevent an Active Shooter scenario. AFAIK all the ACRONYMS around here practice, train and prepare for swift and immediate FIRST RESPONDER TACTICAL EFFICACY and the intrinsic value of the CCW (in all likelihood the CCW = 1stResponder.). None I know in that industry would ever ask or answer any question of the sort. There are so many people around our area that do work in that "Business"... When you visit the DC Metro Area, if someone cuts you off in traffic, you never know (LEO? FED? MIL? COURTS? DIPLOMAT? Probably a shmuck running late and low on funds looking to Ca$hIn so he can COP his Fix and meet his buddies so he can hit on your recently unescorted Wife at Church? You never know so we just let it go. It's easier that way. The last cost of this "Excellent Learning Opportunity" besides this guy getting free Rent in your Head... The Wife Tax, mine would have taxed me worse than the King of England taxed the soon to be Pilgrims. Hell I tried to take my BenchMade 941 into South Korea (In my checked in suitcase), South Korea's "ICE" x-rayed it and taped it uo with Yellow "DoNotPassGo" tape. I had an appt. an interview, a an education and an opportunity to temporarily forfeit possession, get a receipt, return upon departure, pay a storage and handling fee, Ship it via the Airline back to the States (on the same flight). SIX CENTIMETERs=Max Blade Length EDC Type of folder/Fixed. What about a Diving Knife 11-14 CENTIMETERs it's the Agents Discretion. Anyway that was two months ago and I am still paying off that tax. How is your account? I hope compassionate and understanding.
You went above and beyond to accommodate them. The church security team was nothing short of completely unprofessional and incompetent. If anyone walked into my church carrying weapons with ill intent they would probably have 50 concealed carrier's draw down on them before they realized what was happening.
I am the Head of Security for my church and this gave me food for thought. Give me some things to take to my people of things not to do. Stay Strong and Be Blessed. Prior Military as well so I know tactful engagement and that was a bit much.
Zaccaria, I think it would have shown forethought and prudence for Chase to have introduced himself to the pastor first, in a private one-one-one meeting, explaining his rightful conceal-carry and that he is one of the "good guys". This simple act of consideration would have preempted this whole messy situation.
when someone asks you why you're carrying you tell them: "please refer to the 2nd amendment of the constitution and your local municipal gun laws. have a nice day".
I am a licensed carrier and carry every time I leave the house. When there is a sign posted saying no guns, I either secure the gun in my locked car or I go somewhere else. In my state, you can only carry in churches when they specifically allow it. Now, I believe that gun free zones are potential hunting zones for anyone with bad intent. Mass shootings do not happen where licensed carriers might be armed. That said, as a licensed concealed carrier, I am a good guy. I am law-abiding. Carrying makes me extra polite. I do not wish to anger anyone, I do not want to start conflict. My gun doesn't make me right; it's only for unavoidable situations. Unavoidable means I had NO part in starting it. If someone asks you, it means your concealment strategy is likely not up to snuff. Uncool of you. Be better. You gave them a reason to ask, otherwise they'd ask everyone. Your response strategy just drips of being antisocial, which is not what I want to see in a concealed carrier. If someone asks you, it's probably your fault. Maybe you wanted them to see it, maybe you want to seem intimidating, which is not what guns are for in a free society. They are for the opposite. No one should ever know you're carrying. No strategy is perfect, but the only ones who should even think of it should be trained observers like cops, who probably won't care. I've had numerous interactions with police, and they are all very relaxed about it. They know I've had a background check. In short, don't be a dick. You're supposed to be a good guy. Act like one. Telling someone to go look up laws is not a good guy behavior; it's an angry, antisocial response to a question you yourself have likely given them reason to ask by doing a poor job of concealment. If the answer is yes, it's, "Yeah, how did you know?" I'd want to know what I needed to improve on in my concealment strategy, not tell someone they needed to go study law.
lol exactly, as soon as they asked if he was armed and if he'd accompany them outside, he should've just told them that he is, that he saw them scouting him out and that there is no safety concern and that he's a legal concealed carrier there with his family harming no one, then just be like "so leave me alone" and then not respond further because there's nothing else to say and if they can't accept someone exercising their rights while breaking no laws, then i guess they'll have to ask him to leave.
@@skipdreadman8765 I agree with you. My response is a last resort if a person actually sees that you're carrying that's what you tell them I have the right to carry by second amendment and local municipal gun laws. Have a nice day. What else can you do? Like you said cover it up carry it concealed so nobody can see it but in the event someone figures you out you have to do something.
If that team is unarmed they need to just stop having a team. They would be useless in an armed attack. They are obviously not trained. Our church has an armed/trained team. After the shooting at White Settlement Church in Texas our Church had a “Second Amendment Sunday” where we were encouraged to open carry and the sermon covered the leadership’s responsibility to protect the flock.
Yep, time for a new church. The pastor at my church asked me to carry my pistol during service after about a year of going. I told her “good news, it’s never not been here”
+Vito Labella I don't know why I can't respond directly to you but thank you very much! I believe I will do more videos like this in the future. regarding the guy I knew, I have to say is an interesting take, That Frankly I have not considered. I took it as "I did what I could do but I'm not going to make an ass out of myself either". However, I totally see your point! I have to say that I put up with much more than I normally would have that day. I wanted to be as respectful as possible but You're right! There is no winning that! Thanks again for your comment as well as watching and although I (thankfully) don't have a ton of stories like this I have some ideas, along the lines of this. -Chase
I have a question were you in the dog house with your wife? Their reaction could have damaged it, did they not care how others would feel by them making a huge deal out of it. As a guy who has been divorced women will bring stuff like this up later, it may mot have bothered her now but your going to have to make up for this some how. Just my advice.
Stan Smith Hi Stan, Fortunately I have a loving wife that backs my play. She was very good about the entire incident and I'm so grateful to have such a supporting and loving Wife. I'm sure this ordeal was not exactly easy for her but when the chips are down, I can always count on her to have my back. On the other hand, I have been around long enough to know that some women have s very long memory, especially when it comes mistakes, so I am empathetic to your previous position. I hope you are able to find the one you're in search of. Thank you for taking the time to leave your comment as well as watching the video!
This a good anecdote that well illustrates a scenario which a person doing concealed carry with a firearm might well encounter at some point. I have been on both sides of situations similar to this, and (since you asked) I will add in my two cents worth of opinion. In general I think you handled it well ( would be interesting to hear this tale told from their side, however ). Everyone who goes armed in public should of be aware of what legal limitations exist on concealed carry. This can vary quite a bit from state to state, alas. Restrictions almost always apply on school grounds, in banks and courthouses , and frequently churches as well. There may well still be a Federal law in effect in the U.S. that prohibits carrying a gun inside churches or any place of worship. The church in question should most definitely have posted signs stating their own policies. It actually sounds as though they did not know what their policy was, seeing as how they A) confronted you, then B) couldn't tell you if you were required to leave , or leave your weapon in your vehicle before returning to services. If they had a definitive policy in place there would have been no need for a lengthy Q&A session to attempt to ascertain your "motivations" and "intentions". As is common with amateur security efforts their methods of determining whether you were a potential threat were poorly chosen. Directly approaching you in a crowd could easily have precipitated the kind of incident I am sure they meant to prevent. Passive observation would have served them better at that time. It is also clear that they had NO game plan for handling things if you had presented a threat to them, as it would seem that none of them were armed. Unless at least one of them was playing coy and was in fact armed ( which would raise my assessment of their procedures a tiny bit). TLDR - Good job keeping your cool. Amateur security is exactly that.
I have to say, very well said! as mentioned in other comments, I did my very best to tell this story as true and accurate as I could possibly remember however, no matter how flat you make a pancake, there will always be two sides! That being said, I too would be very interested to hear their side of the story and as a matter of fact, I've been trying to make this happen on video for those who may be interested. I think it would be very educational for those who conceal carry as well as security personnel who may have not considered how to handle such things. If they felt it necessary to even address it, (which clearly they did). I believe this situation could have been handled in about 15 seconds whether it be inside, or perhaps right outside the bathroom when given the opportunity. I will not get into this right now as these are some of the things I would like to address if my interview with the church security comes to fruition. Suffice to say that if they truly had a problem with me carrying, they could have simply asked me to leave my sidearm in the vehicle. At which point I could have (and would have ) politely explained that I understand their position however I will now be leaving. It's funny how nobody wants good conceal carriers to have means of protection where we would need it most as the SC incident has unfortunately illustrated. Call me paranoid, but that is just where I'm at. If you don't mind my asking, do you think it's out of line to carry in a church setting? and if not what would you have done in my position? at any rate thank you for you well though out comment and thank you for watching! -Chase
"Are you armed?" "Are you a cop?" Is as far as that exchange would have gone. Its none of their business at all if you carry. I would be up in somebody's ass cheeks for that level of BS.
Mr. Palagi, How sad in this day and age, people are paranoid about all the wrong things, for all the wrong reasons! You handled yourself very well, considering the way the ir people basically publically embarrassed you, then interrogated you! Seems to me if you had CCW, are or were a member, know the head of their security team and the pastor, that they were Way out of line! BTW, are any of the "Security team" armed? If not, what were they going to do if you if you started shooting? I think the pastor should invite you back, call all of them up in front of the congregation, and have them publically apologise to you! Some further training seems called for also! Blsgs. Bro., stay safe out there, gg
Your choice but a week end dealing with a few hypocrites or spending an eternity in Hell with even more. Don't get upset. I'm not being judgmental here that is not a Christian's job. even many of them don't seem to realize that. We have just one job that we are supposed to do with humility and love. Jesus last command before His assent into Heaven was, and I'm paraphrasing here, was for His followers to go out into the world and tell everyone about Him. No judgement, that's His job later on.
Hope you have changed your mind. Once heard someone say "Church is a hospital for sinners, not a haven for hypocrites"! None of us are perfect, we ALL need the Savior! Blsgs, gg
1) I would have probably been as cooperative as you were, I don't know if I would have been as patient. 2) Effective is a subjective term. If their objective was to make you uncomfortable enough to make you leave and not come back, I'd say they did pretty good. I will tell you what I did as a 'security" person the day a volunteer came up to me and told me the guy in line at the community meal (soup kitchen) was wearing a gun concealed. I asked the volunteer if he had done anything wrong or even acted suspicious, then politely educated the volunteer and even went as far as confiding to her I had my concealed weapon on me. Issue diffused. 3) Quite frankly, the best passive mitigation is profiling. Someone looks out of place, is dressed inappropriately, acting paranoid, standing in a corner or doorway at inappropriate times, etc. Watch from a distance, and if the behavior is disturbing, make contact, not confront. The attendant at the door should not be watching the service, he should be watching the people and the door. And if all else fails, hope to God there is a good guy in the congregation with a gun. In our service there is always at least one good guy with a gun under his shirt, and that is our pastor.
+thomabb I have not returned to that particular church. As I was saying in the video, I hold no animosity toward anyone there and I understand that they were doing what they believed to be right at the time. I simply don't want to be somewhere I am not wanted. It obviously made them uncomfortable and that is the last thing I want to do. I also understand that if it weren't for me neglecting to enter a stall to adjust my belt, none of this would have happened. I won't mention the church by name but it was a very good one and I felt very comfortable there until this incident. I would just rather attend a place of worship that fully supports our innate God given rights. Again, I wish that church the very best. I just don't think it is for me, as I prefer to remain armed.
@@chasepalagi7675 You should talk to the pastor about this situation. Obviously it wasn't handled correctly. He should be aware. I hope you can go back to services there with your wife.
@@chesshead3943 The pastor heard about this incident and was not bothered by me carrying, as I understand it. I should clarify. I did have my son dedicated there. So I guess I have been back.
This type of situation could result in someone leaving their CCW at home next time, no doubt that would be the day you need it most and could cost you your life. Sounds like this security team needs more training
Reply to Brad not Landa They have no right to your info. Cops don't have the right Title 18 USC section 242 says ANYONE acting under color of law is to be treated as an assailant, and if they escalate their assault upon your rights, you can defend yourself to the death. This happened in MANY states and the civilians were declared innocent after killing cops in defense of their rights when the " officer " escalated the situation. I only recall the innocent decree for certain in Texas, North Carolina, Indiana, and Minnesota...
"Yeah I got my concealed carry permit but I keep my gun at home." ummm...ok let me see if I got this straight here bubby....you own a sidearm, you can legally carry it on your person concealed, you are part of the church's security team....and you leave your sidearm at home? I hope armed security isn't actually your job cuz I'm not sure if I'd trust you to do your job cuz ya don't seem very good at it
To be perfectly honest, I felt as if I were in complete control of the situation. Granted I let it go on further than I should have but a part of me enjoys debating people. The part I left out was the fact that my wife worked there and my main concern was being extremely cordial as to not make waves for her. That being said, I was in no way intimidated by these guys. It was painfully obvious that they had no game plan and their approach was so bad that I could tell they were making it up as they went along. It was all mildly amusing until I noticed the guy following me to get my license plate number. That's when I lost my patients and went back in to make it known. If anything like this ever happens again, I will simply grab my wife and leave without saying a word. I think that is the most peaceful and productive way of going about it. Anyway, thanks for your comment.
What sad is, with no game plan and making it up as they went along was the most dangerous thing they could have done. If they were really concerned about someone with a firearm, they could have called the Police. I take these guys are not armed, so being confrontational with a armed person is stupid thing to do.
+Michael Henriques I agree 100% The entire confrontation was incredibly counterproductive! Simply by the way they addressed the situation, they not only incited the panic that they were trying to avoid but potentially put their lives as well as everyone else's at risk if I were the person they were treating me as. The entire event was nothing more than a quagmire of unorganized powertrips. So in short, I think you hit the nail on the head!
+Chase Palagi That was probably the most exciting day of their careers. They wanted to all get in on the action. It reminds me of working at the movie theater watching "security" kick out kids from R rated movies. they act like an anti-terrorism task force.
My church has an 'alert' team, which is security in all but name. Some are armed, and some are not. They try to keep everything low-key. If there was an unkown guy seen carrying at the church, the head of the 'alert' team would have approach him in a friendly, low-key manner and casually feel the guy out. If everything seemed legit, nothing would have been said. If something was suspicious, an alert team member or two would have been keeping an eye on the unknown guy. No need to aggrivate anyone or escalate anything.
I think you handled it like a perfect gentleman, cant say I would have done the same. I likely would have either denied or refused when he approached me while sitting.
Thank you, I appreciate your comment. I have to say, I was tempted. My Wife worked there and my main concern was keeping everything as easy as possible for her sake. If something similar happens in the future, I think I would simply get up and leave for everybody's sake!
Chase Palagi I hear that for sure my friend, and I respect your consideration of your wife and peers. My pride game is too strong, it's something I'm working on. Lol Thanks for the reply :)
+ZIGMAN775 Thank you again, and I can certainly relate! The mere fact that you're working on your character is admirable! You bet, Thank you for your comment as well as taking the time to watch the video!
Telling me that my firearm isn't welcome is treated the same as telling me my child isn't welcome. It's clearly not the place for me to be. I will not answer any questions. I only want to know if you would like for me to leave or not. I am a carry permit holder in SC we have very gun friendly laws here but churches are on the exclusion list unless expressly approved by church leadership.
You handled it very well and seemed to be way beyond cooperative (understanding keeping the peace) in this incident. I haven't had to draw my weapon once, however this evening was close in the several years I've carried now. The security seemed uneducated about the laws and kept you way too long. You were trying to attend the Church service, and get harassed the entire time. I recently went to a wedding and was concerned about someone noticing. I hardly ever am, but I try to take extra precautions, especially b/c we've got our first baby on the way, due in Jan. My situational awareness has gone berserk. I enjoy your videos and have watched them for awhile. Couldn't believe I wasn't subbed. Thanks for sharing a story that I'm sure many can relate to, or may come upon a similar instance in their future. I feel an obligation to carry. I think anyone with CCW should.
Thank you, I really appreciate your well though out comment. It sounds as if you have taken your decision to carry, very seriously and that is admirable! It's unfortunate that you were put in a position that you even had to consider using your firearm but I sincerely hope everything worked out okay. That is a story I wouldn't mind hearing but please don't feel obligated if you'd rather not. Congratulations on having your first child! I bet you're very excited! I wish you and your new family all the best! Thank you for watching, taking the time to comment, as well as your subscription! I really appreciate your support.
+Chase Palagi Thanks for the response my friend! And the kind words. We're both anticipating such a miracle. Never planned on having children, and I wasn't supposed to be able to produce. So it's a big deal in our families for sure. Much appreciated! I'm thinking about making an upcoming video about the incident. It literally occurred around 10:30pm central time this evening. I've never once thought I would have to put my hand on my pistol. It got very close b/c it was dark dealing with a belligerent, intoxicated fool yelling and screaming through the neighborhood. I try my best to always stay calm, like you say, and non confrontational. Stayed on my porch, kept my distance and didn't say anything until he almost stepped on our property. The guy started shaking the stop sign on our corner trying to take it out of the ground. Stuff hardly ever happens around here. Very safe, friendly folks. Guy wasn't from here and 2 girls walking behind him were trying to control his drunken rage.
+Bushcraft & Banjos That is wonderful! I enjoy hearing things like that! (your baby I mean.) I have to say, dealing with drunk and belligerent people is no fun at all! Unfortunately I have had my fair share of dealing with them as well. I do my very best to mind my own business until they make it my business which can happen very easily as you may now know! I feel for the police that have to deal with that on a daily basis! The problem with situations like the one you discribe is most of the time any altercation is done and over with before the police arrive! If you don't mind some unsolicited advice, I would STRONGLY recommend pepper spray! I don't know if you saw the video I did where I sprayed myself but I am a firm believer in it! The nice thing about it is you can error on the side of your saftey and spray someone if you're put into a situation where you unsure. I'm telling you, It will take the fight out of anyone (aside from the very small percentage uneffected by it). Obviously I advocate CC and always will, but pepper spray bridges the wide gap of leathal force and compliance very nicely. It would be terrible if you had your gun drawn and he charged you with no weapon! You could possibly go away for a long time! Anyway, I'll tell you what, if you're interested, I'll send you some of the stuff I was sprayed with on my dime. Just let me know if you'd like that and I'd be happy to. Anyway, good luck with everything and if you have any questions or I can help in any way just let me know.
+Chase Palagi My officer buddy called me shortly after the incident. I reported the 4-way stop sign being damaged. All were arrested. Caught as I was talking to dispatch😆. This highly populated neighborhood intersection is way too busy w/kids-pets-humans! Chaps my ass. My neighbors appreciate my awareness. A nurse of mine lives across the street. After years of her drawing my blood for lab work, we're now neighbors, close friends. She and her husband just acquired a Kel-Tec PF9. They're older folks and new to semi-autos. Said she wanted her old, simple 357revolver! Taught her how to break down and cleaned it. Fantastic area to be IMO. Nice fella who owns local gun store, lives on same street. I'm working on getting my community more involved with responsible gun ownership. It's goal of mine to unite like-minded neighbors in this small area. I believe it is so important to establish that dialogue, be known and share your knowledge. Enjoy talking w/ya and your Intriguing videos!
+Bushcraft & Banjos Oh nice! I'm glad everything turned out well for you! Good for you, that's cool that you you are establishing a sense of community! Anyway, it was nice chatting with you and all the best to you and yours! Thanks again for the support!
Hindsight is always 20/20 but I think I would have told them that if they are uncomfortable, please have someone tell my wife to meet me at the car and we will leave. While you are doing that, lets call the police so we can have a complete sharing of information. I think it best to completely avoid this happening to anyone else in the future. Since I have given you my information you should do the same. That will make discussing the matter further with your minister and possibly my lawyer, much easier.
Our church has trained and armed security among the congregants and they are well supported! Good for you. You did exercise restraint. I would have left earlier.
I’m so sorry you were treated that way. It reflects badly on us as Americans and Christians. You handled everything with grace and patience. God bless.
Chase I go to a seeker church as well and next to the fact that they water the gospel down, they also have some silly rule about not caring guns there as well. Honestly I think I said a stupid rule because it’s the gun free zones to get shot up! It’s incredibly sad that churches like that exist, where you can get 10 people in a room that I’ve never shot a gun. Obviously the one that had a gun and left it at home didn’t trust himself he wasn’t train I’ve been to a lot of training classes and private training lessons and I’m very well-trained and I wouldn’t have it any other way.
You give your personal information out to civilians? THAT is what puts you at risk far more than a potential gun situation. Those guys are obviously cowgirls and won't forget. I wish you well.
There are a lot of us at my church are armed. Our sheriff told us that it would be a good idea for us to be able to take care of ourself because of us being in a rural area.
Take your wallet out, wave it in their face, and say, bye-bye. The more I volunteer, the more I'm surprised that places that run off of charitable donations have some of the rudest/craziest people associated with them.
Wow . . . I attend a little country Baptist church that actually encourages concealed carry, As a matter of fact, our pastor organized classes to get members a chance to get their permits if they weren't yet licensed. That scenario you described would never have taken place in our congregation.
Buddy of mine was lawfully concealing at a big brand store, he bent over to get something from the bottom shelf and a big lady behind him saw his gun, then she just SCREAMES "HES GOT A GUN!!!!" and is pointing at him! My buddy literally went to draw his weapon because he thought something was happening then realized she was screaming at him! Damn he was scared. Some people just will never understand the logic of law abiding citizens being armed.
TripleAstyle1 Wow, that is quite a story. I am seriously speechless. That would really piss me off. I get that it's up to us to keep our guns concealed but give me a break! I know that an armed populace scares the shit out of some people but how do these people (i.e the lady in your story) know that he was not an undercover officer or something similar. Lol I guess it's scream first, ask questions later... because that sounds like a solid course of action when seeing a guy with a gun! Whether he was good or bad, I'd think that that would be the very last thing you'd want to do. On the other hand, if logic was part of their process, This video wouldn't be up to talk about such things! Anyway, thank you for sharing your story as well as taking the time to watch the video!
If any thing they should have praised your actions of being a law abiding citizen that is there to protect yourself and the rest of the congregation . They may could have asked if you would like to help with security . But like a lot of unknowledgeable people out there .They made a big deal out of nothing at all .
i work on a church security team and there is no way to balance checking up on someone and infringing upon rights. we don't pull anyone aside unless they are blatantly being irresponsible or their firearm is showing. even then ill get real close to them and say that they need to pull their shirt down. if someone is sketching us out then we will watch them but we don't stop people and pretend to be cops. that team was EXTREMELY unprofessional and in todays day in age when christians are under attack world wide i like knowing I am not the only one carrying. granted, I live in the south and a lot of people are armed down here.
if anything they should have just came up and said sir can we speak to you in private? and confronted you in private they were the ones that incited panic. you did everything right
Nate Benware I agree, if they really needed to make an issue out of it, something subtle and brief would have sufficed. Ideally when the opportunity was given to them. That being said, if there is no policy as he admitted, there isnt much to talk about anyway. If infact I had bad intentions like they thought, the only difference would that he would have been the first one bleeding out on the titles. I don't mean to be crass but I hope you take my point. Thank you for your thoughts as well as you taking the time to watch the video!
Absolutely ridiculous and completely unprofessional. I know this video is a few years old but bear in mind...had your church actually faced an "active shooter", you probably would have been the only one in a position to engage and stop the threat. This is why we carry...for the protection of ourselves, our loved ones, and those around us. With that said, as someone who carries daily, I have had to change up my routine a bit. In public, if I need to use the restroom, I always use the stalls no matter what. Much less chance of my firearm being seen and moreover....much less chance of being seen and reported as a potential threat.
Concealed is concealed. I carry everywhere too. At least their security team is on the ball. Maybe if something happens for real they will actually get the drop on a bad guy.
Read 42 USC Sections 1983, 1985, 1986 (civil) and 18 USC Sections 241, 242 (criminal). Sue their asses and pursue criminal charges against them and they'll stop this bullshit. You have a year from the occurrence of the civil rights violation to file.
It sounds like you either have some experience, or did your homework on this subject! I Truly think that they simply panicked in this situation due to inexperience of the situation. I have chalked this on up to lesson learned and wanted to share my experience with others to make them aware of situations that may arise when carrying a firearm. If something similar happened again, I would simply leave and wouldn't return as I don't like being in places that I'm not wanted. Anyway, thank you for taking the time to post your comment as well as taking the time to watch the video!
I would have filed a report with the local authorities about these hypocrites. They probably filed one on you as a possible "threat." You did NOTHING wrong!
I can only speak to what I would have done. First when asked to step out, I would have stepped out but I would not have followed anyone anywhere and stayed in the foyer of the building. This guy did not identify himself first off and seeing others standing watching me when I stepped out, my first reaction is to think of my wife's and children's safety so I would stop, position myself to talk to them right then and there and demand they identify themselves before I would have any conversation with them. If they declined I would tell them that we are finished unless they called the police. If that was the case, I would gladly speak with any officer who is identified as such and then let them know I'm returning back to where I was sitting with my family and then back away not turning my back and go sit down with my family knowing that this may continue after the service . I then would not return
We have 4 armed off-duty cops for security and to direct traffic through the busy intersection at church. I work security for a missile defense contracting company and can honestly say that there is little to nothing to stop anyone from going crazy in church. If someone wants to shoot people they will defiantly be able to get a few rounds off. The only thing stopping that person from killing more people is someone in there with a gun. That's why my gun rarely leaves my side.
I think you handled it just fine. If they didn't want you there with the firearm and it was that big a deal to them that they posted a bunch of "guards" and followed you to get your plates, then they should have just asked you to leave. I would have started being angry as soon as the guy said he wasn't asking you to leave, yet continued harrassing you about the situation. They handled it very poorly and made it into a big deal when it wasn't one. If I was you I would have done close to the same things except I would not have been nearly as courteous about halfway through and I likely would never go back and I would recommend to my wife that maybe she should consider putting in some resumes elsewhere. I'm not religious but If I was in your shoes I would most certainly boycott. There really is no surefire way to prevent a crazy person from shooting a place up. The best thing to do at this point is to have responses in place in case something like that happens it can be resolved with minimal losses. If they have security already then maybe they should consider training and arming them. If I was a security head there and someone reported that a guy was taking a piss and seemed to have a firearm in his pants I wouldn't even approach the firearm holder. I would simply have him pointed out and keep an eye on him. Like you mentioned, calling you out in front of a room full of people is far more likely to cause issues.
Always love hearing from like-minded people! Sometimes it feels like we are in the minority these days. Thank you for watching as well as taking the time to leave you comment!
I would have initiated a conversation with the Pastor and relay your intention to carry in the church. Get his "buy in" so that anyone that has a concern can do so prior to church services and without being in front of the congregation. Again, you dont have to since you can carry legally. But would eliminate petty issues like you had to deal with. What they did was just juvenile and not professional. Those are the kind of people that end up shooting a "good guy" trying to eliminate a threat.
I wonder if they are remembering you after this massacre in a Texas church? I wonder if they are all carrying now. If just 5 of these people attending church were carrying not that many people would have died.
andy orell It makes me wonder too. I have noticed that there is no distinction to those that oppose the 2nd amendment. As far as they're concerned we are all crazy lunatics that will inevitably snap. I wish it was that easy to convince people but unfortunately we are starting from a deficit in our position. What I mean is more times than not, the mere presence of firearms in the hands of the right people are enough to peacefully resolve situations. Let alone all the lives that have been saved by using them to take out these cowards. It happens everyday but it is very difficult to quantify things that were prevented, or things that haven't happened yet. There is however, countless stories of guns being used defensively but never get reported on because it doesn't fit the narrative of the media. Anyway, thank you for watching as well as taking the time to comment.
You should have simply told them if a real shooter shows up, you would be the best friend that little church ever had. Because apparently their security team was not armed!,
You handled it the same way I would of I carry in church all the time and honestly they don't have a problem with it out here hell honestly because I think they know about 90% of our towns population carry but you handled yourself well in your situation and my opinion they violated your rights
Thank you for your input James. To be honest I was a bit surprised at how they handled it but lesson learned! Thank you for your comment as well as taking the time to watch the video!
Part of our church’s armed security team here. This is a lack of training and clear policies/processes for their team. We allow conceal carry, but not open carry. We scan for people who are conceal carrying. If we identify someone, we radio a description of the person, where on the body they are carrying, and where they are sitting. Extra eyes will be on them, but no harassment. There are times, depending on the situation, where we make contact. It’ll be no more than 2 people so the visitor doesn’t feel attacked. We let them know we allow conceal carry and thank them for not open carrying. Let them know we have a robust security team and if there is an active shooter, please do not engage so they are not mistaken for a bad guy. (Unless the threat is right beside them). And that’s rare contact. Mostly just keep a set of eyes on the person.
Example: a conceal carrier came in. I noticed he was carrying. I radioed the description and where he went to sit. Because of where he was sitting, we made contact. One member casually walked up and asked if he could speak to him in the foyer real quick. They went into the foyer. The person who made the contact did all the talking with one other security person off to the side. Polite, non threatening, non accusatory. He ended up being retired LEO. Placed membership, and joined our security team.
My church probably has more carriers than non carriers
Same with mine.
Sounds like my kind of church
One of the great things about a small town church. 90% of all men are armed including the preacher. And probably 30-40% of the women are also armed. Me and my wife both carry.
Sounds like my church. My preacher not only carries, he has quite a collection at home. His wife carries as well as about half the church.
Yea my church has about 120 members and over half of them carry
Haha, so I go to a small nondenominational church that's actually fairly closely associated with John MacArthur if anyone knows who he is. A year ago or so, we did a fairly large remodel, because we still had orange carpet and pews from the seventies, so forty years ago or so. It's a fairly small church so all the work was done by people who volunteered their time. So it took a few months but finally we got the whole thing finished. The first Sunday when everything was done, the pastor just said hey, please be careful with all the knives and guns you guys carry, and make sure you don't put holes in the new pews, and he said it as a joke, but it just made me thankful for the like minded attitude by most people in my church. Also, one of the elders is a former deputy sheriff, and one time, he went up to close the service in prayer, and his suit jacket got caught on his pistol so everyone could see, funniest thing ever haha. Sorry that you had to deal with this though.
I have to say, your congregation sounds a little more to my liking. I am very surprised that that these guys acted like this. I guess with more people comes more regulations and when regulations grow, freedom dies!
California, or perhaps New York would be a prime example.
Anyway, thank you for sharing your story as well as taking the time to watch the video!
Chase, You did everything right it was they who caused panic. The guy could have just asked to speak with you in private from the beginning.
Luckily no such issues at our church. 12 official armed security team congregants and dozens more unofficial.
I would of said, “Yes, I’m legally concealing and carrying a firearm. No, I’m not coming with you.”
If they keep bothering, then I would ask if they would want me to leave or can I stay to watch the service. They were just interrogating you, that’s it. It could of gone bad where they could of tried to take your firearm away from you or wrestle you for it. Give them an answer and either stay or leave. They can’t hold you against your own will legally.
I work in the security field. Those so called security were way out of line. Had I approached you. I would’ve politely said. We got a report of a person with a gun. As soon as you and I talked and verified you had your concealed license. I would’ve again politely thanked you for your patience and left it at that. Nothing more would’ve been said. Except shook your hand and said have a nice day.
This video predates the heroics of Jack Wilson at the church in White Settlement. Good thing he was carrying.
You did a great job. You were patient & professional. You should go back and attend service. Do not allow what happened deter you, from attending service there with your wife. Who I believe you mentioned works there. There is no reason moving forward, for them to harras you. If you don't they win. Great job. Thank you.
Rolando De La Rosa Thank you for for taking the time to leave such an encouraging comment. I really appreciate you taking the time to watch the video as well!
"we're trying to keep everyone save." ok....I don't know if anyone in my church is armed but with a retired sheriff, a guy who does armed security, two police officers, former military personnel & a truck driver who carries because his job requires him to carry cash I hope they come to church armed as well as any other member of the congregation who can legally carry. At my sister's church she not only carries but pointed out everyone on their security force, one was the pastor. A friend of mine at work knows everyone on the security team as well as their sidearm of choice. None of these people have ever come up to anyone asking out loud "are you armed" or even when someone was talking about guns did they cause a scene. Why you ask...cuz doing that would cause panic. Not me having a gun. Nor would they send the entire group after me
What you went through is bull crap and i am a gunower and gunsmith and i am a big time supporter of the 2nd amendment to.
I'm curious. Were these gentlemen actually confronting a guy with a gun with out actually being armed themselves? A nut case would not have had conversation. They just start shooting. A group that wants to be safe would have the means to fend off any attack. Parishioners would be armed if they had their CCW.
Isn't that something? It was clear that not one ounce of forethought went into their confrontation. I'm uncertain what their plan of attack was If I was there to harm people. Not to mention, If someone was on "the edge" I could see how their haphazard approach could push that person into the very direction they were hoping to avoid. I truly believe their hearts were in the right places though. It was simply a lack of training/ understanding of how to approach situations such as this one.
Thank you for watching as well as taking the time to leave your thoughts.
Don't support 'gun-free zone' churches these days.
The criminals look fur those places. It makes so much easier.
Our church has stickers on the doors stating we fully support and allow legal carry of firearms in the facility.
GOTTA LOVE THIS ! ! !
That's the kind of church I would feel safe in.
Thats the kind of church I wanna belong in
Honestly I wouldn’t go to a church that wouldn’t allow its parishioners or members to carry a firearm. Everybody knows the least safe place on earth is a gun free zone. This is why schools and churches of been targets for violence. I thought you handled it very well. Like you said nobody’s perfect and in a very tense situation specially when they’ve got you circled like you said I would do the same thing including not going back! Honestly the only thing that you can do to prevent this type of action from any sure sure establishment is that you either keep it completely concealed, or you get to gather with as many members of that church that carry guns and encourage others to do so and then when one person is singled out now you have a coalition or at least a network or group that will stand with you! Don’t get me wrong I really love God and I pray daily I read his word daily but I am not above leaving a church to treat people that way. I’m also a tithing member which means I give quite a bit and when I leave they lose a lot.
Sad to know that people who claims that they're follower the Lord Jesus Christ has no depolmasay it's sad; my friend stay true to your love for the Lord man
Dude. You were more than professional and did everything to accommodate their ignorance. You were much more polite than I would have been.
Thank you, I appreciate you taking the time to watch the video as well as leaving your feedback#
Chase Palagi I'm glade you n your family are ok sorry you had go thru that BS I'm thinking about CCL and wondering do you get harassed more when you have conceal and Carry
David Horton Thank you David.
In fairness, I probably should have been more careful to keep everything concealed. It really is a shame that it has to be that way but I guess that is the world we live in. I personally prefer to conceal my firearms for several reasons. Most of which are strategic. Retaining the element of surprise. Also I find it very nerve wracking to be in close proximity to people while open carrying, especially when people are behind you like in grocery lines ect. I always try to be aware of my surroundings however it's seems like more work when open carrying. Also I suppose avoiding unwanted attention is not a bad thing. Every one has different preferences, this just happens to be mine. If you have anything you feel you may need help with or any sort of gear recommendations such as Guns, holsters, sights, belts, ect just let me know and I'd be happy to help.
Thank you for your comment as well as taking the time to watch!
No problem and thanks for the respond I just subscribe will be watching more of your vids you guys stay safe and take care
Exactly. Until they start flashing badges you didn't have to tell them a damned thing. Just let them know they're on a slippery slope what they're doing and if they have any other concerns to call the police.
Gun ownership is NOT a crime no matter how much people wish it was you shouldn't be giving out your adress to people like that. They may have called the cops and said u were brandishing
Dabbinwaxallday Dabbinwax321 Thanks for watching and taking the time to leave your thoughts.
I carry everywhere and no lecture in the world will stop me because I just can't trust anyone
@Email Subjekt you know that most homicides are from disgruntled family members or people you already know.
I let them do the talk then ask them which one of you are going to jump in front of that bullet? Then shut up I'm the only person in charge of my safety not you because clearly your not going to protect me.
Were our own personal security detail.. you did the rite thing dude. I would have been pissd and I would have handled it the same 100 percent. It's a tough call!!
try taking an international flight , see what happen
@@AdrianJNyaoi definitely not the point, this was in the us not a a different country. I don’t get your point unless you’re just tryna be a hater
"I keep my concealed weapon at home where it belongs" ??? That's why he also leaves his car in the driveway and walks #idiot. You did a great job in keeping your cool👍
Ha right?!
I can't believe he said said that!
Thank you for taking the time to watch the video!
@@chasepalagi7675 yes
@@chasepalagi7675 what do you carry now??
@@dillidson8653 it just depends on what I am feeling for that particular day and/ or on the clothes I wear. Most common is a Sig p320 compact or subcompact or a good ol Glock 19. I will switch it up as I said but those are the ones that get carried most.
If I wear a suit, normally a shield or xds
@@chasepalagi7675 nice I wish I could say the same sadly I just have 1 firearm scry cox I definitely am interested in looking into a another 1 or 2 maybe to just switch it up sounds good man you're awesome !
“We don’t want to insight panic” also them: has a massive security team posted everywhere for all to see
I know right!
Hey kettle, meet pot!
They completely undermined their entire thesis without realizing it!
Thank you for watching!
ArE YoU ArMeD
@@CallsignRiot the correct response to this is “Are you not..?”
@@gp8721 Honestly that would be my question lol if you ain't packing you're slacking. Don't be a sheep pack some heat.
incite .. not "insight"
I can't stand people that argue they are 2A advocates but don't carry on them.
and especially cops who say that WHILE THEY ARE INFRINGING your 2A
You can't stand people who don't carry yet support 2A? What's wrong with you? LOL.
Cries in Californian
Amen! If I am breathing air you can bet I will have my gun on me
"I'm as pro 2A as it gets, but do you need more than 10 rounds to protect yourself?"
"I'm a gun owner myself, all I ask for is common sense gun laws"
"We don't want to take your guns, but do you need weapons of war to protect yourself?"
It was really none of there business I would never go back to that church again
MrSfinn9mm Thank you for leaving your thoughts as well as taking the time to watch the video!
I’m watching this 5 years after you posted it. Within those 5 years there was two church shootings where an armed citizen took out the bad guy. I bet those security guards feel pretty stupid thinking back about what they did to you.
I’m with you on this
I’ll bet you they don’t, because people like that generally lack any sort of self-reflection that would allow them to arrive at such a realization.
Any story that begins with... “I want to tell you a concealed carry story that begins at church...” has me intrigued.
Your good just attend churches that are pro carry
Thank you for watching!
What sort of church has like a gang security. Id of told them if they are not law enforcement they have no reason to question me and i have no requirement to talk with them.
SpacemanMoto It was certainly a larger church. My first thought was to not engage at all. Then I was thinking that I wanted to keep everything smooth for my wife's sake as she worked there. When the one guy came up he was actually kind of timid. I figured that I'd talk to him outside alone to ease his, or whoever's mind. Honestly I was having fun with it initially but it got annoying in a quick hurry.
Although I knew better even then, I figured it would be the polite and least confrontational way of going about it. At any rate, lesson learned!
Thanks for watching and taking the time to leave your thoughts.
Chase Palagi So they have a whole security force but they all leave their guns at home?.... We call those folks victims... I’d rather have a couple good men with firearms than a whole group of unarmed targets....
@@chasepalagi7675 I actually was on a church security staff much like the one you've described for about 5 years. We all carried radios, and our primary focus was on the safety of the children. It is a larger church, at that time we had 1200-1800 members fluxing any given month with people who would attend once or twice and move on, perhaps trying other churches for the right fit. Another synchronicity, my wife at the time worked for the church as well similar to you. So I can definitely appreciate your situation, wanting to be as helpful as possible and ease the minds of her superiors. All these people saying they would have put the church security staff in their place, simply aren't able to appreciate your situation. You handled yourself very well in my opinion. You likely would not have been as frustrated if this had happened in my church, as our unofficial head of the team and long time usher was an avid 2nd Amendment proponent and often hosted recreational shooting events on his property. I'm sorry you were treated with such uneven respect even after fully cooperating with the security team. Nice job keeping your cool. Props sir.
@@randyreddig5239 Are they sure their guns are still at home with hundreds of people knowing they are at church now?
I'd have! Not of. I'd've or I would have.
Read something.
If don't communicate properly, your credibility suffers.
what kinda church has this level of security? all we got is ushers. my god. overactors nonetheless
shavguru lol. It is a pretty big church which I'm not normally a huge fan of. The "security" were some plain clothes guys with some ear peices. Based on their lack of poise and their general demeanor I seriously doubt they were pros. If I had to guess, I'd even say they were volunteer "security".
Anyway, thank you for watching!
Chase Palagi I'm hip, I think you handled yourself very well. I back your outlook 100%. nicely done
shavguru Thank you sir, I really appreciate that!
Chase Palagi carry on, brother
@@chasepalagi7675 Sometimes no security is safer than bad security.
As a 22 year Police Officer, Concealed carry instructor and part of my church security team I calculated on any given Sunday we have about 50 armed people at services. You did everything right. These guys seem a little overzealous to me. Carry on…. Good job!
I am part of a church security team and if I saw any other team members treating someone like this I would become their threat. Good job my brother.
Tell them to focus on religious members molesting kids....
@@daviddionne8296 Uh, no. We don’t need random security guys doing that either. That’s exchanging one over-reach for another.
@@joeterp5615 Then how do you plan on putting an end to this? The "church security" team is doing nothing more than harassing new members. And they're not even concealed carrying! The level of weakness and cowardice exuded by this "security team" is shocking. They're literally accomplishing the exact opposite of the goal they were charged with.
You're not going to convince me these are good people. They are weak people whose instincts betray them.
@@keres993 hi - I no longer see the comment I was replying to, so I don’t have the context for my answer. I agree this was a gross overreach, but this other commenter suggested something that seemed like an inappropriate reaction to me too.
Guy was being a "Barney Fife", he was trying to look like a real "operator" in front of his buddies, unless he was actual law enforcement, I would have just ignored him, if he insisted, I would have given him an earful. nothing like a bunch of "fudds" trying to impose their cowardly point of view on someone else. The Pastor would have gotten a phone call that's for sure. find a different church. You were more "christian" than they were.
My response to the guys question of "why do you carry a firearm?" Because I can.
My response is usually "I carry, so you don't have to", and that usually ends the conversation, lol!
at my church you would not have been questioned. As the pastor zi carry as do several of my members.
William Ritchie I appreciate you taking the time to watch the video!
They open carry in my church. I live in nevada though.
Remember people can be fickle and I'm being nice when I say that you did a stellar performance you respected where you were and you conducted yourself better than most
Thank you Paul.
I appreciate your comment and thank you for watching the video!
If an active shooter, happens to enter my Church , I wish you were there . Those guys seem out of this planet !!!
Bernardo H Thank you, I appreciate you taking the time to watch the video.
just cuz he has a gun, doesn't mean hes Clint Eastwood. You have absolutely no idea how proficient he is with his gun, yet you are willing to put your life in his hands!?
I'm glad I'm not you dude!!
@@eenormus1688 so you would prefer the alternative?
I'd rather have a good guy with a gun then a bad guy with one.
I take your point and advocate serious training if one chooses to carry a gun.
That being said, I still contend that most people have enough common sense to operate a handgun.
I understand that things don't happen at all how you would think in a situation like that but anything to put pressure on an attacker and take attention off innocents is the end goal.
Yes people with good intentions can do collateral damage but so can trained professionals.
It is a forgone conclusion that the attacker is shooting fish in a barrel. If something tragic happens in order to stop the threat, that is not ideal but it beats the alternative.
Bernardo H Yeah. Some churches have better armed security than others, while other churches have absolutely no armed security.
@@eenormus1688 cool story bro
excellent video.. you did everything right. the only way to completely protect the church is installing a metal detector..
Thank you for your comment, I appreciate you taking the time to leave your input.
***** well said! We can dance around precautions until the end of time but when evil people want to do harm, they will find a way regardless of laws and preventative measures. The very thing that scares these people, ironically it what usually saves them!
Except if someone wants to come in and shoot up the church, then metal detectors won't protect anything. Only having concealed carry holders, private security, or police officers present at the time of the attack will stop anything.
I think the State of Alabama, did a PSA on Active Shooter/ Place of employment. I was impressed with the whole video. I live North if DC in MD, we have VIP CCW (Slim to None chances any above average person will get one, extremely difficult, expensive and you need a Special Circumstance and Political connections. Next door in Virginia they have CCW and honor reciprocity, different world), anyway it's a wet dream come true to think you can prevent an Active Shooter scenario. AFAIK all the ACRONYMS around here practice, train and prepare for swift and immediate FIRST RESPONDER TACTICAL EFFICACY and the intrinsic value of the CCW (in all likelihood the CCW = 1stResponder.). None I know in that industry would ever ask or answer any question of the sort. There are so many people around our area that do work in that "Business"... When you visit the DC Metro Area, if someone cuts you off in traffic, you never know (LEO? FED? MIL? COURTS? DIPLOMAT? Probably a shmuck running late and low on funds looking to Ca$hIn so he can COP his Fix and meet his buddies so he can hit on your recently unescorted Wife at Church? You never know so we just let it go. It's easier that way.
The last cost of this "Excellent Learning Opportunity" besides this guy getting free Rent in your Head... The Wife Tax, mine would have taxed me worse than the King of England taxed the soon to be Pilgrims. Hell I tried to take my BenchMade 941 into South Korea (In my checked in suitcase), South Korea's "ICE" x-rayed it and taped it uo with Yellow "DoNotPassGo" tape. I had an appt. an interview, a an education and an opportunity to temporarily forfeit possession, get a receipt, return upon departure, pay a storage and handling fee, Ship it via the Airline back to the States (on the same flight). SIX CENTIMETERs=Max Blade Length EDC Type of folder/Fixed. What about a Diving Knife 11-14 CENTIMETERs it's the Agents Discretion. Anyway that was two months ago and I am still paying off that tax. How is your account? I hope compassionate and understanding.
a waste of money as a lint of gas or rubbing alcohol has no ballisticks
You went above and beyond to accommodate them. The church security team was nothing short of completely unprofessional and incompetent. If anyone walked into my church carrying weapons with ill intent they would probably have 50 concealed carrier's draw down on them before they realized what was happening.
I am the Head of Security for my church and this gave me food for thought. Give me some things to take to my people of things not to do. Stay Strong and Be Blessed. Prior Military as well so I know tactful engagement and that was a bit much.
Zccaria Smith I appreciate you taking the time to watch the video!
Zaccaria, I think it would have shown forethought and prudence for Chase to have introduced himself to the pastor first, in a private one-one-one meeting, explaining his rightful conceal-carry and that he is one of the "good guys". This simple act of consideration would have preempted this whole messy situation.
when someone asks you why you're carrying you tell them: "please refer to the 2nd amendment of the constitution and your local municipal gun laws. have a nice day".
I am a licensed carrier and carry every time I leave the house. When there is a sign posted saying no guns, I either secure the gun in my locked car or I go somewhere else. In my state, you can only carry in churches when they specifically allow it.
Now, I believe that gun free zones are potential hunting zones for anyone with bad intent. Mass shootings do not happen where licensed carriers might be armed. That said, as a licensed concealed carrier, I am a good guy. I am law-abiding. Carrying makes me extra polite. I do not wish to anger anyone, I do not want to start conflict. My gun doesn't make me right; it's only for unavoidable situations. Unavoidable means I had NO part in starting it.
If someone asks you, it means your concealment strategy is likely not up to snuff. Uncool of you. Be better. You gave them a reason to ask, otherwise they'd ask everyone. Your response strategy just drips of being antisocial, which is not what I want to see in a concealed carrier. If someone asks you, it's probably your fault. Maybe you wanted them to see it, maybe you want to seem intimidating, which is not what guns are for in a free society. They are for the opposite.
No one should ever know you're carrying. No strategy is perfect, but the only ones who should even think of it should be trained observers like cops, who probably won't care. I've had numerous interactions with police, and they are all very relaxed about it. They know I've had a background check.
In short, don't be a dick. You're supposed to be a good guy. Act like one. Telling someone to go look up laws is not a good guy behavior; it's an angry, antisocial response to a question you yourself have likely given them reason to ask by doing a poor job of concealment. If the answer is yes, it's, "Yeah, how did you know?" I'd want to know what I needed to improve on in my concealment strategy, not tell someone they needed to go study law.
lol exactly, as soon as they asked if he was armed and if he'd accompany them outside, he should've just told them that he is, that he saw them scouting him out and that there is no safety concern and that he's a legal concealed carrier there with his family harming no one, then just be like "so leave me alone" and then not respond further because there's nothing else to say and if they can't accept someone exercising their rights while breaking no laws, then i guess they'll have to ask him to leave.
@@skipdreadman8765 I agree with you. My response is a last resort if a person actually sees that you're carrying that's what you tell them I have the right to carry by second amendment and local municipal gun laws. Have a nice day. What else can you do? Like you said cover it up carry it concealed so nobody can see it but in the event someone figures you out you have to do something.
If that team is unarmed they need to just stop having a team. They would be useless in an armed attack. They are obviously not trained. Our church has an armed/trained team. After the shooting at White Settlement Church in Texas our Church had a “Second Amendment Sunday” where we were encouraged to open carry and the sermon covered the leadership’s responsibility to protect the flock.
I would have asked the first guy for some identification right away.
That should have been the last time visiting the church. WTF
You're a much nicer man than I. I wouldn't have even entertained them for a second
Yep, time for a new church. The pastor at my church asked me to carry my pistol during service after about a year of going. I told her “good news, it’s never not been here”
+Vito Labella I don't know why I can't respond directly to you but thank you very much! I believe I will do more videos like this in the future. regarding the guy I knew, I have to say is an interesting take, That Frankly I have not considered. I took it as "I did what I could do but I'm not going to make an ass out of myself either". However, I totally see your point! I have to say that I put up with much more than I normally would have that day. I wanted to be as respectful as possible but You're right! There is no winning that! Thanks again for your comment as well as watching and although I (thankfully) don't have a ton of stories like this I have some ideas, along the lines of this.
-Chase
I have a question were you in the dog house with your wife? Their reaction could have damaged it, did they not care how others would feel by them making a huge deal out of it. As a guy who has been divorced women will bring stuff like this up later, it may mot have bothered her now but your going to have to make up for this some how. Just my advice.
Stan Smith Hi Stan, Fortunately I have a loving wife that backs my play. She was very good about the entire incident and I'm so grateful to have such a supporting and loving Wife. I'm sure this ordeal was not exactly easy for her but when the chips are down, I can always count on her to have my back.
On the other hand, I have been around long enough to know that some women have s very long memory, especially when it comes mistakes, so I am empathetic to your previous position. I hope you are able to find the one you're in search of.
Thank you for taking the time to leave your comment as well as watching the video!
This a good anecdote that well illustrates a scenario which a person doing concealed carry with a firearm might well encounter at some point. I have been on both sides of situations similar to this, and (since you asked) I will add in my two cents worth of opinion.
In general I think you handled it well ( would be interesting to hear this tale told from their side, however ).
Everyone who goes armed in public should of be aware of what legal limitations exist on concealed carry. This can vary quite a bit from state to state, alas. Restrictions almost always apply on school grounds, in banks and courthouses , and frequently churches as well. There may well still be a Federal law in effect in the U.S. that prohibits carrying a gun inside churches or any place of worship.
The church in question should most definitely have posted signs stating their own policies. It actually sounds as though they did not know what their policy was, seeing as how they A) confronted you, then B) couldn't tell you if you were required to leave , or leave your weapon in your vehicle before returning to services. If they had a definitive policy in place there would have been no need for a lengthy Q&A session to attempt to ascertain your "motivations" and "intentions".
As is common with amateur security efforts their methods of determining whether you were a potential threat were poorly chosen. Directly approaching you in a crowd could easily have precipitated the kind of incident I am sure they meant to prevent. Passive observation would have served them better at that time.
It is also clear that they had NO game plan for handling things if you had presented a threat to them, as it would seem that none of them were armed. Unless at least one of them was playing coy and was in fact armed ( which would raise my assessment of their procedures a tiny bit).
TLDR - Good job keeping your cool. Amateur security is exactly that.
I have to say, very well said! as mentioned in other comments, I did my very best to tell this story as true and accurate as I could possibly remember however, no matter how flat you make a pancake, there will always be two sides! That being said, I too would be very interested to hear their side of the story and as a matter of fact, I've been trying to make this happen on video for those who may be interested. I think it would be very educational for those who conceal carry as well as security personnel who may have not considered how to handle such things.
If they felt it necessary to even address it, (which clearly they did). I believe this situation could have been handled in about 15 seconds whether it be inside, or perhaps right outside the bathroom when given the opportunity. I will not get into this right now as these are some of the things I would like to address if my interview with the church security comes to fruition. Suffice to say that if they truly had a problem with me carrying, they could have simply asked me to leave my sidearm in the vehicle. At which point I could have (and would have ) politely explained that I understand their position however I will now be leaving. It's funny how nobody wants good conceal carriers to have means of protection where we would need it most as the SC incident has unfortunately illustrated. Call me paranoid, but that is just where I'm at. If you don't mind my asking, do you think it's out of line to carry in a church setting? and if not what would you have done in my position? at any rate thank you for you well though out comment and thank you for watching!
-Chase
Hey. Thanks for posting. I'm relatively new to ccw. I learned something to be careful about.
Trigger Phinger You bet, thank you for taking the time to watch the video!
"Are you armed?" "Are you a cop?" Is as far as that exchange would have gone. Its none of their business at all if you carry. I would be up in somebody's ass cheeks for that level of BS.
You're a good dude. Thank you for taking the inconvenience to carry to help make all the others around you safer.
Thank you for your comment as well as taking the time to watch the video! I really appreciate it!
Mr. Palagi, How sad in this day and age, people are paranoid about all the wrong things, for all the wrong reasons!
You handled yourself very well, considering the way the ir people basically publically embarrassed you, then interrogated you! Seems to me if you had CCW, are or were a member, know the head of their security team and the pastor, that they were Way out of line!
BTW, are any of the "Security team" armed? If not, what were they going to do if you if you started shooting? I think the pastor should invite you back, call all of them up in front of the congregation, and have them publically apologise to you! Some further training seems called for also! Blsgs. Bro., stay safe out there, gg
Exactly why I will never go to church and parlay with a bunch of hypocrites
Your choice but a week end dealing with a few hypocrites or spending an eternity in Hell with even more.
Don't get upset. I'm not being judgmental here that is not a Christian's job. even many of them don't seem to realize that.
We have just one job that we are supposed to do with humility and love. Jesus last command before His assent into Heaven was, and I'm paraphrasing here, was for His followers to go out into the world and tell everyone about Him. No judgement, that's His job later on.
There as many or more hypocrites outside the church as there are in. You sound very judgemental. That is a hallmark of hypocrisy.
This response was to Unbridled Adventures.
Hope you have changed your mind. Once heard someone say "Church is a hospital for sinners, not a haven for hypocrites"! None of us are perfect, we ALL need the Savior! Blsgs, gg
1) I would have probably been as cooperative as you were, I don't know if I would have been as patient. 2) Effective is a subjective term. If their objective was to make you uncomfortable enough to make you leave and not come back, I'd say they did pretty good. I will tell you what I did as a 'security" person the day a volunteer came up to me and told me the guy in line at the community meal (soup kitchen) was wearing a gun concealed. I asked the volunteer if he had done anything wrong or even acted suspicious, then politely educated the volunteer and even went as far as confiding to her I had my concealed weapon on me. Issue diffused. 3) Quite frankly, the best passive mitigation is profiling. Someone looks out of place, is dressed inappropriately, acting paranoid, standing in a corner or doorway at inappropriate times, etc. Watch from a distance, and if the behavior is disturbing, make contact, not confront. The attendant at the door should not be watching the service, he should be watching the people and the door. And if all else fails, hope to God there is a good guy in the congregation with a gun. In our service there is always at least one good guy with a gun under his shirt, and that is our pastor.
Thank you for your well thought out reply. I am inclined to agree with you.
I also appreciate you taking the time to watch the video!
+Chase Palagi I do hope you returned to church.
+thomabb I have not returned to that particular church. As I was saying in the video, I hold no animosity toward anyone there and I understand that they were doing what they believed to be right at the time.
I simply don't want to be somewhere I am not wanted. It obviously made them uncomfortable and that is the last thing I want to do. I also understand that if it weren't for me neglecting to enter a stall to adjust my belt, none of this would have happened.
I won't mention the church by name but it was a very good one and I felt very comfortable there until this incident.
I would just rather attend a place of worship that fully supports our innate God given rights.
Again, I wish that church the very best. I just don't think it is for me, as I prefer to remain armed.
@@chasepalagi7675 You should talk to the pastor about this situation. Obviously it wasn't handled correctly. He should be aware. I hope you can go back to services there with your wife.
@@chesshead3943 The pastor heard about this incident and was not bothered by me carrying, as I understand it.
I should clarify. I did have my son dedicated there. So I guess I have been back.
This type of situation could result in someone leaving their CCW at home next time, no doubt that would be the day you need it most and could cost you your life. Sounds like this security team needs more training
Watched this rolling into 2024. It's only gotten worse.....
Hi Chase, this video came back to me after what happened in Texas last night. Stay safe!
Reply to Brad not Landa
They have no right to your info. Cops don't have the right
Title 18 USC section 242 says ANYONE acting under color of law is to be treated as an assailant, and if they escalate their assault upon your rights, you can defend yourself to the death. This happened in MANY states and the civilians were declared innocent after killing cops in defense of their rights when the " officer " escalated the situation. I only recall the innocent decree for certain in Texas, North Carolina, Indiana, and Minnesota...
"Yeah I got my concealed carry permit but I keep my gun at home." ummm...ok let me see if I got this straight here bubby....you own a sidearm, you can legally carry it on your person concealed, you are part of the church's security team....and you leave your sidearm at home? I hope armed security isn't actually your job cuz I'm not sure if I'd trust you to do your job cuz ya don't seem very good at it
what they did was unlawful detainment and false imprisonment. i would have demanded for them to call the police
To be perfectly honest, I felt as if I were in complete control of the situation. Granted I let it go on further than I should have but a part of me enjoys debating people. The part I left out was the fact that my wife worked there and my main concern was being extremely cordial as to not make waves for her. That being said, I was in no way intimidated by these guys. It was painfully obvious that they had no game plan and their approach was so bad that I could tell they were making it up as they went along. It was all mildly amusing until I noticed the guy following me to get my license plate number. That's when I lost my patients and went back in to make it known.
If anything like this ever happens again, I will simply grab my wife and leave without saying a word. I think that is the most peaceful and productive way of going about it.
Anyway, thanks for your comment.
What sad is, with no game plan and making it up as they went along was the most dangerous thing they could have done. If they were really concerned about someone with a firearm, they could have called the Police. I take these guys are not armed, so being confrontational with a armed person is stupid thing to do.
+Michael Henriques I agree 100% The entire confrontation was incredibly counterproductive! Simply by the way they addressed the situation, they not only incited the panic that they were trying to avoid but potentially put their lives as well as everyone else's at risk if I were the person they were treating me as. The entire event was nothing more than a quagmire of unorganized powertrips. So in short, I think you hit the nail on the head!
+Chase Palagi That was probably the most exciting day of their careers. They wanted to all get in on the action. It reminds me of working at the movie theater watching "security" kick out kids from R rated movies. they act like an anti-terrorism task force.
+Gregory Clark lol! right!?
I think you hit the nail on the head!
Thank you for for the laugh as well as watching the video!
My church has an 'alert' team, which is security in all but name. Some are armed, and some are not. They try to keep everything low-key. If there was an unkown guy seen carrying at the church, the head of the 'alert' team would have approach him in a friendly, low-key manner and casually feel the guy out. If everything seemed legit, nothing would have been said. If something was suspicious, an alert team member or two would have been keeping an eye on the unknown guy. No need to aggrivate anyone or escalate anything.
I think you handled it like a perfect gentleman, cant say I would have done the same. I likely would have either denied or refused when he approached me while sitting.
Thank you, I appreciate your comment. I have to say, I was tempted. My Wife worked there and my main concern was keeping everything as easy as possible for her sake. If something similar happens in the future, I think I would simply get up and leave for everybody's sake!
Chase Palagi
I hear that for sure my friend, and I respect your consideration of your wife and peers.
My pride game is too strong, it's something I'm working on.
Lol
Thanks for the reply
:)
+ZIGMAN775 Thank you again, and I can certainly relate! The mere fact that you're working on your character is admirable!
You bet, Thank you for your comment as well as taking the time to watch the video!
Chase Palagi
Stay blessed my dude
+ZIGMAN775 Thanks man! You too!
Telling me that my firearm isn't welcome is treated the same as telling me my child isn't welcome. It's clearly not the place for me to be. I will not answer any questions. I only want to know if you would like for me to leave or not. I am a carry permit holder in SC we have very gun friendly laws here but churches are on the exclusion list unless expressly approved by church leadership.
You handled it very well and seemed to be way beyond cooperative (understanding keeping the peace) in this incident. I haven't had to draw my weapon once, however this evening was close in the several years I've carried now. The security seemed uneducated about the laws and kept you way too long. You were trying to attend the Church service, and get harassed the entire time. I recently went to a wedding and was concerned about someone noticing. I hardly ever am, but I try to take extra precautions, especially b/c we've got our first baby on the way, due in Jan. My situational awareness has gone berserk. I enjoy your videos and have watched them for awhile. Couldn't believe I wasn't subbed. Thanks for sharing a story that I'm sure many can relate to, or may come upon a similar instance in their future. I feel an obligation to carry. I think anyone with CCW should.
Thank you, I really appreciate your well though out comment. It sounds as if you have taken your decision to carry, very seriously and that is admirable!
It's unfortunate that you were put in a position that you even had to consider using your firearm but I sincerely hope everything worked out okay.
That is a story I wouldn't mind hearing but please don't feel obligated if you'd rather not.
Congratulations on having your first child! I bet you're very excited! I wish you and your new family all the best!
Thank you for watching, taking the time to comment, as well as your subscription! I really appreciate your support.
+Chase Palagi Thanks for the response my friend! And the kind words. We're both anticipating such a miracle. Never planned on having children, and I wasn't supposed to be able to produce. So it's a big deal in our families for sure. Much appreciated! I'm thinking about making an upcoming video about the incident. It literally occurred around 10:30pm central time this evening. I've never once thought I would have to put my hand on my pistol. It got very close b/c it was dark dealing with a belligerent, intoxicated fool yelling and screaming through the neighborhood. I try my best to always stay calm, like you say, and non confrontational. Stayed on my porch, kept my distance and didn't say anything until he almost stepped on our property. The guy started shaking the stop sign on our corner trying to take it out of the ground. Stuff hardly ever happens around here. Very safe, friendly folks. Guy wasn't from here and 2 girls walking behind him were trying to control his drunken rage.
+Bushcraft & Banjos That is wonderful! I enjoy hearing things like that! (your baby I mean.)
I have to say, dealing with drunk and belligerent people is no fun at all! Unfortunately I have had my fair share of dealing with them as well. I do my very best to mind my own business until they make it my business which can happen very easily as you may now know!
I feel for the police that have to deal with that on a daily basis!
The problem with situations like the one you discribe is most of the time any altercation is done and over with before the police arrive!
If you don't mind some unsolicited advice, I would STRONGLY recommend pepper spray!
I don't know if you saw the video I did where I sprayed myself but I am a firm believer in it! The nice thing about it is you can error on the side of your saftey and spray someone if you're put into a situation where you unsure. I'm telling you, It will take the fight out of anyone (aside from the very small percentage uneffected by it).
Obviously I advocate CC and always will, but pepper spray bridges the wide gap of leathal force and compliance very nicely. It would be terrible if you had your gun drawn and he charged you with no weapon! You could possibly go away for a long time!
Anyway, I'll tell you what, if you're interested, I'll send you some of the stuff I was sprayed with on my dime.
Just let me know if you'd like that and I'd be happy to.
Anyway, good luck with everything and if you have any questions or I can help in any way just let me know.
+Chase Palagi My officer buddy called me shortly after the incident. I reported the 4-way stop sign being damaged. All were arrested. Caught as I was talking to dispatch😆. This highly populated neighborhood intersection is way too busy w/kids-pets-humans! Chaps my ass. My neighbors appreciate my awareness. A nurse of mine lives across the street. After years of her drawing my blood for lab work, we're now neighbors, close friends. She and her husband just acquired a Kel-Tec PF9. They're older folks and new to semi-autos. Said she wanted her old, simple 357revolver! Taught her how to break down and cleaned it. Fantastic area to be IMO. Nice fella who owns local gun store, lives on same street. I'm working on getting my community more involved with responsible gun ownership. It's goal of mine to unite like-minded neighbors in this small area. I believe it is so important to establish that dialogue, be known and share your knowledge. Enjoy talking w/ya and your Intriguing videos!
+Bushcraft & Banjos Oh nice! I'm glad everything turned out well for you! Good for you, that's cool that you you are establishing a sense of community! Anyway, it was nice chatting with you and all the best to you and yours!
Thanks again for the support!
I think you did good. We have enhanced carry in Arkansas so we are good
You have a love of GOD! Find a place of peace! god bless you!
Thank you for your comment and God bless you as well!
Hindsight is always 20/20 but I think I would have told them that if they are uncomfortable, please have someone tell my wife to meet me at the car and we will leave. While you are doing that, lets call the police so we can have a complete sharing of information. I think it best to completely avoid this happening to anyone else in the future. Since I have given you my information you should do the same. That will make discussing the matter further with your minister and possibly my lawyer, much easier.
take some active shooter class
Our church has trained and armed security among the congregants and they are well supported! Good for you. You did exercise restraint. I would have left earlier.
church or not i would have put this wanna be cop in his place. he was power tripping
Thanks for watching!
I’m so sorry you were treated that way. It reflects badly on us as Americans and Christians. You handled everything with grace and patience. God bless.
Chase I go to a seeker church as well and next to the fact that they water the gospel down, they also have some silly rule about not caring guns there as well. Honestly I think I said a stupid rule because it’s the gun free zones to get shot up! It’s incredibly sad that churches like that exist, where you can get 10 people in a room that I’ve never shot a gun. Obviously the one that had a gun and left it at home didn’t trust himself he wasn’t train I’ve been to a lot of training classes and private training lessons and I’m very well-trained and I wouldn’t have it any other way.
You give your personal information out to civilians? THAT is what puts you at risk far more than a potential gun situation. Those guys are obviously cowgirls and won't forget. I wish you well.
There are a lot of us at my church are armed. Our sheriff told us that it would be a good idea for us to be able to take care of ourself because of us being in a rural area.
If it's not a cop...just andwer by saying that you refuse to discuss that subject in the first person...
Ironically, the congregation is actually safer for you being there with a gun.
You're accusers must have been absent during the thou shalt not judge sermon
Take your wallet out, wave it in their face, and say, bye-bye. The more I volunteer, the more I'm surprised that places that run off of charitable donations have some of the rudest/craziest people associated with them.
What pepper spray did you use on yourself that video has no comments thanks
Wow . . . I attend a little country Baptist church that actually encourages concealed carry, As a matter of fact, our pastor organized classes to get members a chance to get their permits if they weren't yet licensed. That scenario you described would never have taken place in our congregation.
You done everything right! Don't stress. I feel you handled yourself better than most and perfectly fine! Shame on them.
Buddy of mine was lawfully concealing at a big brand store, he bent over to get something from the bottom shelf and a big lady behind him saw his gun, then she just SCREAMES "HES GOT A GUN!!!!" and is pointing at him! My buddy literally went to draw his weapon because he thought something was happening then realized she was screaming at him! Damn he was scared. Some people just will never understand the logic of law abiding citizens being armed.
TripleAstyle1 Wow, that is quite a story. I am seriously speechless.
That would really piss me off.
I get that it's up to us to keep our guns concealed but give me a break!
I know that an armed populace scares the shit out of some people but how do these people (i.e the lady in your story) know that he was not an undercover officer or something similar. Lol I guess it's scream first, ask questions later... because that sounds like a solid course of action when seeing a guy with a gun! Whether he was good or bad, I'd think that that would be the very last thing you'd want to do. On the other hand, if logic was part of their process, This video wouldn't be up to talk about such things!
Anyway, thank you for sharing your story as well as taking the time to watch the video!
If any thing they should have praised your actions of being a law abiding citizen that is there to protect yourself and the rest of the congregation . They may could have asked if you would like to help with security . But like a lot of unknowledgeable people out there .They made a big deal out of nothing at all .
If you're a church goer, wouldn't they know who you are?
Can you say Sutherland Springs?
i work on a church security team and there is no way to balance checking up on someone and infringing upon rights. we don't pull anyone aside unless they are blatantly being irresponsible or their firearm is showing. even then ill get real close to them and say that they need to pull their shirt down. if someone is sketching us out then we will watch them but we don't stop people and pretend to be cops. that team was EXTREMELY unprofessional and in todays day in age when christians are under attack world wide i like knowing I am not the only one carrying. granted, I live in the south and a lot of people are armed down here.
if anything they should have just came up and said sir can we speak to you in private? and confronted you in private they were the ones that incited panic. you did everything right
Nate Benware I agree, if they really needed to make an issue out of it, something subtle and brief would have sufficed. Ideally when the opportunity was given to them. That being said, if there is no policy as he admitted, there isnt much to talk about anyway. If infact I had bad intentions like they thought, the only difference would that he would have been the first one bleeding out on the titles. I don't mean to be crass but I hope you take my point. Thank you for your thoughts as well as you taking the time to watch the video!
Definitely not a southern church lol
Absolutely ridiculous and completely unprofessional. I know this video is a few years old but bear in mind...had your church actually faced an "active shooter", you probably would have been the only one in a position to engage and stop the threat. This is why we carry...for the protection of ourselves, our loved ones, and those around us. With that said, as someone who carries daily, I have had to change up my routine a bit. In public, if I need to use the restroom, I always use the stalls no matter what. Much less chance of my firearm being seen and moreover....much less chance of being seen and reported as a potential threat.
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Concealed is concealed. I carry everywhere too. At least their security team is on the ball. Maybe if something happens for real they will actually get the drop on a bad guy.
Read 42 USC Sections 1983, 1985, 1986 (civil) and 18 USC Sections 241, 242 (criminal).
Sue their asses and pursue criminal charges against them and they'll stop this bullshit.
You have a year from the occurrence of the civil rights violation to file.
It sounds like you either have some experience, or did your homework on this subject!
I Truly think that they simply panicked in this situation due to inexperience of the situation.
I have chalked this on up to lesson learned and wanted to share my experience with others to make them aware of situations that may arise when carrying a firearm. If something similar happened again, I would simply leave and wouldn't return as I don't like being in places that I'm not wanted.
Anyway, thank you for taking the time to post your comment as well as taking the time to watch the video!
If I received the treatment from so called "fellow parishioners" that you did, they would be "FORMER fellow parishioners".
Texas Luby,s caffeteria massacre look for the videos ... specially from the survivors
I would have filed a report with the local authorities about these hypocrites. They probably filed one on you as a possible "threat."
You did NOTHING wrong!
Fact is concealed carry is difficult to do unless you wear layers. Wish the best for you and your family.
Sheepish and Church go hand in hand.
I can only speak to what I would have done. First when asked to step out, I would have stepped out but I would not have followed anyone anywhere and stayed in the foyer of the building. This guy did not identify himself first off and seeing others standing watching me when I stepped out, my first reaction is to think of my wife's and children's safety so I would stop, position myself to talk to them right then and there and demand they identify themselves before I would have any conversation with them. If they declined I would tell them that we are finished unless they called the police. If that was the case, I would gladly speak with any officer who is identified as such and then let them know I'm returning back to where I was sitting with my family and then back away not turning my back and go sit down with my family knowing that this may continue after the service . I then would not return
We have 4 armed off-duty cops for security and to direct traffic through the busy intersection at church. I work security for a missile defense contracting company and can honestly say that there is little to nothing to stop anyone from going crazy in church. If someone wants to shoot people they will defiantly be able to get a few rounds off. The only thing stopping that person from killing more people is someone in there with a gun. That's why my gun rarely leaves my side.
Well said, thank you for watching!
I think you handled it just fine. If they didn't want you there with the firearm and it was that big a deal to them that they posted a bunch of "guards" and followed you to get your plates, then they should have just asked you to leave. I would have started being angry as soon as the guy said he wasn't asking you to leave, yet continued harrassing you about the situation. They handled it very poorly and made it into a big deal when it wasn't one. If I was you I would have done close to the same things except I would not have been nearly as courteous about halfway through and I likely would never go back and I would recommend to my wife that maybe she should consider putting in some resumes elsewhere. I'm not religious but If I was in your shoes I would most certainly boycott. There really is no surefire way to prevent a crazy person from shooting a place up. The best thing to do at this point is to have responses in place in case something like that happens it can be resolved with minimal losses. If they have security already then maybe they should consider training and arming them. If I was a security head there and someone reported that a guy was taking a piss and seemed to have a firearm in his pants I wouldn't even approach the firearm holder. I would simply have him pointed out and keep an eye on him. Like you mentioned, calling you out in front of a room full of people is far more likely to cause issues.
Thank you for your feedback.
That is a great comment.
I appreciate you taking the time to watch the video as well!
We love freedom loving people. Sounds like you are the professional. Come attend my church, we’ll be safer for it.
Always love hearing from like-minded people! Sometimes it feels like we are in the minority these days.
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I would have initiated a conversation with the Pastor and relay your intention to carry in the church. Get his "buy in" so that anyone that has a concern can do so prior to church services and without being in front of the congregation. Again, you dont have to since you can carry legally. But would eliminate petty issues like you had to deal with. What they did was just juvenile and not professional. Those are the kind of people that end up shooting a "good guy" trying to eliminate a threat.
Thank you for your thoughts as well as taking the time to watch the video!
I wonder if they are remembering you after this massacre in a Texas church? I wonder if they are all carrying now. If just 5 of these people attending church were carrying not that many people would have died.
andy orell It makes me wonder too.
I have noticed that there is no distinction to those that oppose the 2nd amendment.
As far as they're concerned we are all crazy lunatics that will inevitably snap. I wish it was that easy to convince people but unfortunately we are starting from a deficit in our position.
What I mean is more times than not, the mere presence of firearms in the hands of the right people are enough to peacefully resolve situations. Let alone all the lives that have been saved by using them to take out these cowards. It happens everyday but it is very difficult to quantify things that were prevented, or things that haven't happened yet.
There is however, countless stories of guns being used defensively but never get reported on because it doesn't fit the narrative of the media.
Anyway, thank you for watching as well as taking the time to comment.
You should have simply told them if a real shooter shows up, you would be the best friend that little church ever had. Because apparently their security team was not armed!,
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You handled it the same way I would of I carry in church all the time and honestly they don't have a problem with it out here hell honestly because I think they know about 90% of our towns population carry but you handled yourself well in your situation and my opinion they violated your rights
Thank you for your input James.
To be honest I was a bit surprised at how they handled it but lesson learned!
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Part of our church’s armed security team here. This is a lack of training and clear policies/processes for their team. We allow conceal carry, but not open carry. We scan for people who are conceal carrying. If we identify someone, we radio a description of the person, where on the body they are carrying, and where they are sitting. Extra eyes will be on them, but no harassment. There are times, depending on the situation, where we make contact. It’ll be no more than 2 people so the visitor doesn’t feel attacked. We let them know we allow conceal carry and thank them for not open carrying. Let them know we have a robust security team and if there is an active shooter, please do not engage so they are not mistaken for a bad guy. (Unless the threat is right beside them). And that’s rare contact. Mostly just keep a set of eyes on the person.
Example: a conceal carrier came in. I noticed he was carrying. I radioed the description and where he went to sit. Because of where he was sitting, we made contact. One member casually walked up and asked if he could speak to him in the foyer real quick. They went into the foyer. The person who made the contact did all the talking with one other security person off to the side. Polite, non threatening, non accusatory. He ended up being retired LEO. Placed membership, and joined our security team.
@@csell5904 it sounds like you have a professional operation.
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