Oh you mean with people who are anti-trans who will completely misrepresent the research and the topic so that you can have your anti-trans agenda better represented? The NYT already posted one article with links to an anti-trans funded research paper that had bad data and research and completely misrepresented the detransition rates and mental health improvement rates of the trans youth involve by only talking to parents who were already against their child's transition in the first place. What more do you want? I guess for trans people to disappear.
@@GoSolar No kidding. We can listen to cis-gender talking heads jibber jabber about this anywhere at any time. -And the ones who don't even have any children under 18 seem to think their opinions are just as crucial to spout as anyone else's.
@@GoSolar Nowhere *near* often enough! I'm blessed to have trans friends and relatives, so I get that perspective shared with me regularly. Not everyone is blessed in that way.
I think that adults should have full access to reassignment surgery and have all the rights anyone else does. Kids under 18 should not be given this type of treatment. It’s sick to do this to a child.
@@Techbros53but child surgeries are not done. “Gender Affirming Care” for minors is almost ALWAYS puberty blockers; merely delaying onset of puberty for a time. Then older teens may begin hormone therapy as they approach adulthood.
This is not something being done TO anyone. This is treatment the children themselves are seeking, and denying or delaying it can have disastrous consequences for them.
I mean, why shouldn't a state say that children can not be given cosmetic treatments until they are old enough to consent to them? A lot of other cosmetic treatments are locked behind an age barrier, like tattoos, piercings, dermal implants, etc. We're fine with the state saying to a 12yr old "yes we know you feel like you need a full back tattoo to be comfortable in your body, but you're just going to have to wait till you're 18, in case you change your mind" but we're not OK with the state saying the same thing about this? Why?
One reason: By allowing kids to go through the puberty they feel appropriate, they do not have to struggle against having their bodies transform in ways that require expensive surgeries later in life to correct. This affects so few children it makes it seem more about controlling reproduction, and in the case of abortion laws, forcing women to reproduce. This has never been about the children.
This treatment for children IS NOT standard of care. It's not "settled science", as a matter of fact there is a lot of research pointing to it doing more harm. This issue is about children, do what you want when you turn 18, but leave children alone.
Your brain is still developing well into your 20s-can anyone without a fully formed brain make a truly informed decision? Probably not. What we do need is stringent mental health screening for any life altering elective surgery.
If you believe this is true, why not support more research into this alleged "harm" (or lack thereof) instead of empowering state legislators to chose your medical options for you? The majority of professional bodies support the current protocols, but if you believe you are right and the professionals are wrong, then more and better research would back you up, right? Waiting until after puberty to get puberty blockers means going through puberty as a gender that they are not comfortable with. It means a need for more (and more complex) surgeries later. For many trans kids it means that as adults they will never be able to "pass", which in turn means that as trans adults they will face ongoing harassment and risk of violence for the rest of their lives. Do you really want to put trans kids through all that? My guess is that yes, you do, and making them face ongoing harassment later as adults is just icing on the cake. If you are motivated by genuine concern over the small numbers of transitioners who later decide that they weren't trans after all, how about we study them to figure out how they made the mistake misidentifying the source of their distress in the first place, rather than removing a potential life saving option from everyone?
You might not like it, but it is most definitely settled science and there is absolutely no research indicating that it’s harmful. You’re just an angry, irrational bigot.
Your personal hatred of trans people does not determine science and medicine. Every mainstream medical organization supports trans people, including trans youth. Leave trans kids alone.
ah but we're happy with changing the genitals of male infants (circumcision) and intersex infants (to "normalize" theirs) at the discretion of parents without input of the children themselves.
Genital surgery on Trans minors is vanishingly rare. We are talking about puberty blockers mostly. If you are genuinely concerned about genital surgeries being performed on minors, you should know the most commonplace form is the surgeries performed on intersex infants to make them conform to the expectations of their parents who want their child to look like either a boy or a girl. These surgeries are performed without the infants' consent, obviously, and before they can even comprehend what is being done to them. These surgeries can require ongoing follow-up surgeries even into adulthood. Tellingly, most of the legislation against gender affirming care for minors makes exemptions for gender conformity surgeries meant to relieve the stress felt by the parents of intersex children.
On the other hand, genital conformity surgery performed on intersex infants is totally legal, and occurs before they can even comprehend what is happening to them, much less consent. It's interesting that the laws against trans kids taking puberty blockers make no mention of irreversible genital surgeries in this case.
What?!? The comparative Western medical practice is not trans teenagers taking estrogen or testosterone, it's medically-unnecessary surgeries on intersex children that causes lifelong medical problems in an attempt to make babies' genitals "look normal". These anti-trans laws explicitly *protect* the practice of surgery on infants but make it illegal for trans teenagers to go through the right puberty.
we are not in europe. WPATH and the endocrine society set the standards of care for the united states, based on medical experts using the best research, not governmental boards many of whom are not subject experts (like in the cass report).
No, it isn't. Hormones are not the same as surgery. Do you really think that taking birth control pills is the same as getting your gallbladder removed? What?!?
all science is uncertain. that’s fundamental. the amount of uncertainty is what’s not really at dispute in the research community. there is very little uncertainly that gender affirming care works. it is the only effective treatment for gender dysphoria.
That religious nutcases hate trans people for not conforming to the gender roles they think everyone should live by? That's not science. That's religion.
@hw6271 Deciding what your conclusion is before you start, not really coming up with anything to back it, and then saying that your conclusion must be true is not science. This is the same "science" as "race science", flat earthers, antivaxxers, etc. And often the same people who place their religious beliefs and conspiracy theories over science. The news doesn't have to interview a flat earther every time they talk to a NASA scientist or a Holocaust denier every time they mention the Holocaust. That's not the point of news.
I'm just so bothered that the government thinks it's place is in the doctor's office, standing in judgement while doctors and families talk about medical care
AND PARENTAL CONSENT by the way. -It's interesting how many Right-wing propagandists are resorting to claiming that transitional therapy is being given to children without parental consent, and they are claiming this because they know that the Right is typically VERY protective of their right to make their own decisions about their own children. It's just so ridiculous that anyone would believe the nonsense, considering the high cost of the medications. Like what, are the doctors just _giving_ it to the kids? 😆
I’m so confused, if the Supreme Court justices have no right to be making a decision on this topic on medical grounds (an argument most of the justices agree on). Why not let it be handled by the state? Are we picking and choosing when the Supreme Court should venture into topics now? In addition, in this instance, the parents are on board, but would the reporter here feel differently about parental rights if the parents were against the procedure for their child? Would the argument then be the Legislature and the courts must protect children to have sex reassignment surgeries, despite parental disapproval?
The parents were unable to provide informed consent because they were misled. Michael Payne, a lawyer representing detransitioned youth, describes this as “fraud and deception,” particularly the false claim that a person can change their sex-which is biologically impossible. The practice of medicalizing gay bodies for profit reflects a dystopian nightmare and the extreme consequences of end-stage capitalism.
Parents have a universal right to withhold consent to surgeries for their child. This has never been challenged for trans issues. In the vanishingly rare case where a child feels that gender surgery is essential enough that it must override their parents' lack of consent, the only way forward is for them to become an emancipated minor. This is not easy. It is not a step the courts take lightly. It rarely happens for any reason.
There are no "sex reassignment surgeries" for those under 18 in any country in the world. Unfortunately, parents are very often allowed to deny lifesaving medical care to their children. So if parents are in a cult that rejects modern medicine and their kid gets seriously sick or injured, the government pretty much allows it. There's a very high bar when it comes to parental rights in these situations. But if you have a child who needs medical care, I suggest allowing them to get it. It not only could save your child's life, they may not resent you for the rest of theirs. A lot of people who were kicked out or beaten by their parents for being gay or trans are not on good terms with their parents and may just write them off as dead to them and go no contact. If you would reject your kids if they turned out LGBT, you shouldn't have kids.
Thank you for talking to a trans / non-binary journalist about this. Highlighting not just the voices of cisgender people who think they know better, but also trans people themselves, who know themselves - directly and personally - what is at stake.
@@tals.8960 Trans persons don't really know who they are..not all but a lot of them who deny their biological reality.. It is those people who don't accept themselves..not the rest of the population.. what's wrong with being a man who wants to live as, or feel they are more, like what they imagine it is like to be a woman? Why can't they do that? Why the need to pretend that they have become a woman? Or a woman to live as they think or feel it is to be a man without pretending to themselves that they are a man? And wanting the rest of the population to believe that untruth?
I still don't get why SCOTUS refused to hear the Due Process claim. Was it perhaps because they thought it a *stronger* claim than the equal protection claim, and they didn't want to have to try to refute it?
I will stay out of the surgical intervention debate, but as for hormone blockers, if cis-gender kids can take them, then denying them to trans kids is the definition of discrimination. In either case the goal is postponing developments that would make the child feel extremely uncomfortable, to the point of despair, so denying that to a trans kid is utterly cruel.
@@audreymuzingo933 kids only take them for precocious puberty and that is not sex discrimination Delaying puberty in an 8 year old is far different than delaying puberty in a 13 year old
Do these people have any idea how insane this entire thing sounds to your average person? My mom is a diehard Democrat, when I tell her about this stuff, she says that it’s a right wing conspiracy that they are giving kids puberty blockers. The medical community is not to be trusted on this issue, the level of ideological capture is extreme. Watch interviews with some of the leading surgeons who perform these types of operations on minors, they are dyed in the wool ideologues. One of my good friends’s father is a pediatrician. He’s aghast at the group think that has taken over in the medical community. You risk professional suicide if you deviate from the trans orthodoxy.
@@jackjmaheriii The reason the Right is going after trans people is the same reason they are going after abortion and promoting this constant "alpha male" and "tradwife" content. It's becoming more mainstream to say that women shouldn't have any rights. Trans people just fall into that because we are proof that people don't have to live in these tiny boxes and can fully embrace being men or women (or both or neither) rather than just a role people feel forced into by their religion or "tradition".
@@asongfromunderthefloorboards The evidence for these treatments improving mental health outcomes is suspect. Hence this is not the standard of care in Europe any more.
@@doctorberkowitz even with single payer care, I would argue this is something that should be covered privately. The government should not be liable for sterilizing children on a treatment path that has not been studied and in which the life of the child is not actually in immediate danger
If the trans lobby wants to make gender affirming care for minors legal, then every single person who argued for this need to be defendants in any future lawsuit where a person sues that this practice has damaged them.
@@evelynnapier8994 that's not how laws work. Also, trans people transitioning as teenagers is extremely normal and legal. Yes, religious nuts are trying to make abortion, birth control, and transgender hormones illegal but that doesn't mean they're abnormal. They were legal until politicians thought it would benefit them to put people at risk this way.
Why stop there? You know the Supreme Court won't. Roberts has been opposed to the Civil Rights Act since the start of his career. Thomas wants to "revisit" Obergefell. He even wants to challenge Griswold. Does social justice really upset you that much?
@@robertkirchner7981 The civil rights act is basically grafting a French Positive Rights view onto our negative rights system. People should be socially shamed for having collectivist social views that dehumanize individuals the government should punish when that translates into depriving people of their right to pursue happiness or their ordered liberty. The civil rights act was an attempt to codify what they thought was a protection of liberty but it was reinterpreted by activist judges beyond its remits. If you go back and see the debates in the house or senate about it one of the sponsors of the bill explicitly denounced it would be interpreted in the ways it has been since. If they have sound legal reasoning for why those court cases need to be reversed and we need LEGISLATION for those social changes then I fully support that because interpreting it in a way you like for civil rights is not the courts job.
The standard to accept a child is trans is that they are insistent, persistent and consistent in their identity. We should add "independent" because it seems some of these cases Ive read about, the child doesnt remember they are trans until their parent reminds them.
every trans adult was once a trans child. that’s why our opinion matters. why should yours matter? are you trans, the parent of a trans child or a medical professional treating/researching about care for trans children?
Even if you were to leave it in the parents' hands, if said child doesn't get the diagnosis they want they can shop around till they do or can leave the state to get medication without parental guidance or awareness.
@@TheAdamGiles No child who by virtue of their non adult experience has any way of having full knowledge of what it means for the rest of their lives to be groomed into so called transition.. So many now, young adults, realising that it was all outside influence and that their mental health issues lay.elsewhere, and in detransitioing are left with damage and changes to their bodies that they should never have been encouraged to do. The very clue that it's wrong to put put transitioning motions in young teens heads is the fact the schools do not inform their parents who are their legal guardians. None of this ideology that ' 'transitioning' is a normal option should be happening in schools.
Heaven forbid they should get the care they need. What is the likelihood that a kid could remain that motivated for that long to get treatment they "want" and be making a mistake about their gender identity?
Medical age of majority depends on the state. This is mostly useful if a teenager gets pregnant or wants birth control. But it is also occasionally useful if the parents are in like a cult that rejects medicine and the child needs medication. If they are over the age of medical majority in their state, usually 16, they can go to the doctor by themselves. Crossing state lines to get medication as a minor is trickier but possible. This is almost always about abortion but could be for other issues as well
How do you picture a 13 year old leaving their home, much less their whole state, to go get treatment? By the way, doctors can also refuse to treat a minor without parental consent.
@audreymuzingo933 said 13 year old contacts social workers and is removed from home for not being affirmed and taken to another state. Maine is one such state. Yes, the doctor can refuse. But risks being branded a transphobe on social media dragged. Bye bye career
You guys really need to start discussing issues with people who have a different view point
@@cerebrumpateo8112 so basically give the klan a voice?
Oh you mean with people who are anti-trans who will completely misrepresent the research and the topic so that you can have your anti-trans agenda better represented?
The NYT already posted one article with links to an anti-trans funded research paper that had bad data and research and completely misrepresented the detransition rates and mental health improvement rates of the trans youth involve by only talking to parents who were already against their child's transition in the first place. What more do you want? I guess for trans people to disappear.
the whole internet is filled with that. How often do you hear the perspective of someone trans? Not often enough, IMO.
@@GoSolar No kidding. We can listen to cis-gender talking heads jibber jabber about this anywhere at any time. -And the ones who don't even have any children under 18 seem to think their opinions are just as crucial to spout as anyone else's.
@@GoSolar Nowhere *near* often enough! I'm blessed to have trans friends and relatives, so I get that perspective shared with me regularly. Not everyone is blessed in that way.
I think that adults should have full access to reassignment surgery and have all the rights anyone else does. Kids under 18 should not be given this type of treatment. It’s sick to do this to a child.
It almost seems like saying this is a wild concept nowadays.
@@Techbros53but child surgeries are not done.
“Gender Affirming Care” for minors is almost ALWAYS puberty blockers; merely delaying onset of puberty for a time.
Then older teens may begin hormone therapy as they approach adulthood.
This is not something being done TO anyone. This is treatment the children themselves are seeking, and denying or delaying it can have disastrous consequences for them.
Children also seek alcohol, but it doesn’t make it good for them. Cosmetic double mastectomies, and chemical castration is no different.
@ “disastrous consequences” sounds good when you say it but there really isn’t much data to show suicide rate is any lower…
Just pointing out that denying people lifesaving medical care may now be harmful to your own health. It is positively correlated with lead poisoning.
I mean, why shouldn't a state say that children can not be given cosmetic treatments until they are old enough to consent to them? A lot of other cosmetic treatments are locked behind an age barrier, like tattoos, piercings, dermal implants, etc. We're fine with the state saying to a 12yr old "yes we know you feel like you need a full back tattoo to be comfortable in your body, but you're just going to have to wait till you're 18, in case you change your mind" but we're not OK with the state saying the same thing about this? Why?
And those changes don’t permanently destroy your ability to have a family.
It’s medicine not cosmetic procedures like tattoos.
One reason: By allowing kids to go through the puberty they feel appropriate, they do not have to struggle against having their bodies transform in ways that require expensive surgeries later in life to correct. This affects so few children it makes it seem more about controlling reproduction, and in the case of abortion laws, forcing women to reproduce. This has never been about the children.
Because it's lifesaving medical care, not "cosmetic".
@@asongfromunderthefloorboards uhm.. ok
This treatment for children IS NOT standard of care. It's not "settled science", as a matter of fact there is a lot of research pointing to it doing more harm. This issue is about children, do what you want when you turn 18, but leave children alone.
Your brain is still developing well into your 20s-can anyone without a fully formed brain make a truly informed decision? Probably not. What we do need is stringent mental health screening for any life altering elective surgery.
If you believe this is true, why not support more research into this alleged "harm" (or lack thereof) instead of empowering state legislators to chose your medical options for you?
The majority of professional bodies support the current protocols, but if you believe you are right and the professionals are wrong, then more and better research would back you up, right?
Waiting until after puberty to get puberty blockers means going through puberty as a gender that they are not comfortable with. It means a need for more (and more complex) surgeries later. For many trans kids it means that as adults they will never be able to "pass", which in turn means that as trans adults they will face ongoing harassment and risk of violence for the rest of their lives. Do you really want to put trans kids through all that? My guess is that yes, you do, and making them face ongoing harassment later as adults is just icing on the cake.
If you are motivated by genuine concern over the small numbers of transitioners who later decide that they weren't trans after all, how about we study them to figure out how they made the mistake misidentifying the source of their distress in the first place, rather than removing a potential life saving option from everyone?
You might not like it, but it is most definitely settled science and there is absolutely no research indicating that it’s harmful. You’re just an angry, irrational bigot.
No, incorrect. It’s absolutely settled science. No research indicating harm. Just liars scapegoating innocent children.
Your personal hatred of trans people does not determine science and medicine. Every mainstream medical organization supports trans people, including trans youth.
Leave trans kids alone.
FGM is already illegal. In what way is this different?
ah but we're happy with changing the genitals of male infants (circumcision) and intersex infants (to "normalize" theirs) at the discretion of parents without input of the children themselves.
Genital surgery on Trans minors is vanishingly rare. We are talking about puberty blockers mostly.
If you are genuinely concerned about genital surgeries being performed on minors, you should know the most commonplace form is the surgeries performed on intersex infants to make them conform to the expectations of their parents who want their child to look like either a boy or a girl.
These surgeries are performed without the infants' consent, obviously, and before they can even comprehend what is being done to them. These surgeries can require ongoing follow-up surgeries even into adulthood. Tellingly, most of the legislation against gender affirming care for minors makes exemptions for gender conformity surgeries meant to relieve the stress felt by the parents of intersex children.
@@jackjmaheriii because that’s not medicine, this is
On the other hand, genital conformity surgery performed on intersex infants is totally legal, and occurs before they can even comprehend what is happening to them, much less consent. It's interesting that the laws against trans kids taking puberty blockers make no mention of irreversible genital surgeries in this case.
What?!? The comparative Western medical practice is not trans teenagers taking estrogen or testosterone, it's medically-unnecessary surgeries on intersex children that causes lifelong medical problems in an attempt to make babies' genitals "look normal".
These anti-trans laws explicitly *protect* the practice of surgery on infants but make it illegal for trans teenagers to go through the right puberty.
7:34 This is NOT standard of care! It has been walked back in Europe. When you state it is standard of care, you are not telling the truth.
we are not in europe. WPATH and the endocrine society set the standards of care for the united states, based on medical experts using the best research, not governmental boards many of whom are not subject experts (like in the cass report).
@@kevinwoolley7960 quit lying about what’s going on in Europe
It's sex reassignment surgery, language matters.
Sex can't be reassigned... Some are living in a fantasy land .. there are no multiple genders either...
They know
Your sex is in your DNA, you cannot “reassign” it
No, it isn't. Hormones are not the same as surgery. Do you really think that taking birth control pills is the same as getting your gallbladder removed? What?!?
@@asongfromunderthefloorboards puberty blockers and hormones are not even close to the same as birth control.
The science IS uncertain. This podcast is disingenuous in ignoring the main critique of GAC
It isn't "care" it's castration.
all science is uncertain. that’s fundamental. the amount of uncertainty is what’s not really at dispute in the research community. there is very little uncertainly that gender affirming care works. it is the only effective treatment for gender dysphoria.
That religious nutcases hate trans people for not conforming to the gender roles they think everyone should live by? That's not science. That's religion.
If they were intellectually honest, they would interview Dr Hillary Cass
@hw6271 Deciding what your conclusion is before you start, not really coming up with anything to back it, and then saying that your conclusion must be true is not science.
This is the same "science" as "race science", flat earthers, antivaxxers, etc. And often the same people who place their religious beliefs and conspiracy theories over science.
The news doesn't have to interview a flat earther every time they talk to a NASA scientist or a Holocaust denier every time they mention the Holocaust. That's not the point of news.
I'm just so bothered that the government thinks it's place is in the doctor's office, standing in judgement while doctors and families talk about medical care
Government regulates medical care and certain medicines. Have you heard of the fda?
@hw6271 they bother me too.
@@hw6271 I'm bothered by them too. At least there are a few scientists in the FDA, but not enough.
AND PARENTAL CONSENT by the way. -It's interesting how many Right-wing propagandists are resorting to claiming that transitional therapy is being given to children without parental consent, and they are claiming this because they know that the Right is typically VERY protective of their right to make their own decisions about their own children. It's just so ridiculous that anyone would believe the nonsense, considering the high cost of the medications. Like what, are the doctors just _giving_ it to the kids? 😆
I’m so confused, if the Supreme Court justices have no right to be making a decision on this topic on medical grounds (an argument most of the justices agree on). Why not let it be handled by the state? Are we picking and choosing when the Supreme Court should venture into topics now?
In addition, in this instance, the parents are on board, but would the reporter here feel differently about parental rights if the parents were against the procedure for their child? Would the argument then be the Legislature and the courts must protect children to have sex reassignment surgeries, despite parental disapproval?
It is handled on a State basis. The gender doctors are seeking to over turn it, so is the same nationality.
The parents were unable to provide informed consent because they were misled. Michael Payne, a lawyer representing detransitioned youth, describes this as “fraud and deception,” particularly the false claim that a person can change their sex-which is biologically impossible. The practice of medicalizing gay bodies for profit reflects a dystopian nightmare and the extreme consequences of end-stage capitalism.
Parents have a universal right to withhold consent to surgeries for their child. This has never been challenged for trans issues. In the vanishingly rare case where a child feels that gender surgery is essential enough that it must override their parents' lack of consent, the only way forward is for them to become an emancipated minor. This is not easy. It is not a step the courts take lightly. It rarely happens for any reason.
There are no "sex reassignment surgeries" for those under 18 in any country in the world.
Unfortunately, parents are very often allowed to deny lifesaving medical care to their children. So if parents are in a cult that rejects modern medicine and their kid gets seriously sick or injured, the government pretty much allows it. There's a very high bar when it comes to parental rights in these situations.
But if you have a child who needs medical care, I suggest allowing them to get it. It not only could save your child's life, they may not resent you for the rest of theirs. A lot of people who were kicked out or beaten by their parents for being gay or trans are not on good terms with their parents and may just write them off as dead to them and go no contact.
If you would reject your kids if they turned out LGBT, you shouldn't have kids.
@@Techbros53 states don’t have the right to ban healthcare for people they irrationally hate, oh and kids aren’t having surgeries
Thank you for talking to a trans / non-binary journalist about this. Highlighting not just the voices of cisgender people who think they know better, but also trans people themselves, who know themselves - directly and personally - what is at stake.
@@tals.8960 Trans persons don't really know who they are..not all but a lot of them who deny their biological reality..
It is those people who don't accept themselves..not the rest of the population.. what's wrong with being a man who wants to live as, or feel they are more, like what they imagine it is like to be a woman? Why can't they do that? Why the need to pretend that they have become a woman? Or a woman to live as they think or feel it is to be a man without pretending to themselves that they are a man? And wanting the rest of the population to believe that untruth?
100%. 🎉🎉
Podcasts like this make it more and more apparent why the NYT is losing credibility
I still don't get why SCOTUS refused to hear the Due Process claim. Was it perhaps because they thought it a *stronger* claim than the equal protection claim, and they didn't want to have to try to refute it?
I will stay out of the surgical intervention debate, but as for hormone blockers, if cis-gender kids can take them, then denying them to trans kids is the definition of discrimination. In either case the goal is postponing developments that would make the child feel extremely uncomfortable, to the point of despair, so denying that to a trans kid is utterly cruel.
@@audreymuzingo933 kids only take them for precocious puberty and that is not sex discrimination
Delaying puberty in an 8 year old is far different than delaying puberty in a 13 year old
Do these people have any idea how insane this entire thing sounds to your average person? My mom is a diehard Democrat, when I tell her about this stuff, she says that it’s a right wing conspiracy that they are giving kids puberty blockers. The medical community is not to be trusted on this issue, the level of ideological capture is extreme. Watch interviews with some of the leading surgeons who perform these types of operations on minors, they are dyed in the wool ideologues. One of my good friends’s father is a pediatrician. He’s aghast at the group think that has taken over in the medical community. You risk professional suicide if you deviate from the trans orthodoxy.
Blahblahblah.. WE WANT SINGLE PAYER HEALTH COVERAGE NOW. Quit diddling around talking about made up things no one cares about.
Yes, stop blocking people from getting lifesaving medical care, whether you're an insurance company exec or a politician. Just let people live.
You make a good point. It does kind of feel like this is being promoted so we don’t focus on the other problems with healthcare.
@@jackjmaheriii The reason the Right is going after trans people is the same reason they are going after abortion and promoting this constant "alpha male" and "tradwife" content. It's becoming more mainstream to say that women shouldn't have any rights. Trans people just fall into that because we are proof that people don't have to live in these tiny boxes and can fully embrace being men or women (or both or neither) rather than just a role people feel forced into by their religion or "tradition".
@@asongfromunderthefloorboards The evidence for these treatments improving mental health outcomes is suspect. Hence this is not the standard of care in Europe any more.
@@doctorberkowitz even with single payer care, I would argue this is something that should be covered privately. The government should not be liable for sterilizing children on a treatment path that has not been studied and in which the life of the child is not actually in immediate danger
If the trans lobby wants to make gender affirming care for minors legal, then every single person who argued for this need to be defendants in any future lawsuit where a person sues that this practice has damaged them.
@@evelynnapier8994 that's not how laws work. Also, trans people transitioning as teenagers is extremely normal and legal. Yes, religious nuts are trying to make abortion, birth control, and transgender hormones illegal but that doesn't mean they're abnormal. They were legal until politicians thought it would benefit them to put people at risk this way.
7:00 id give up all the "social change" since gay marriage if it would mean the social justice left becomes aggressively marginalized.
Why stop there? You know the Supreme Court won't. Roberts has been opposed to the Civil Rights Act since the start of his career. Thomas wants to "revisit" Obergefell. He even wants to challenge Griswold.
Does social justice really upset you that much?
@@robertkirchner7981 The civil rights act is basically grafting a French Positive Rights view onto our negative rights system. People should be socially shamed for having collectivist social views that dehumanize individuals the government should punish when that translates into depriving people of their right to pursue happiness or their ordered liberty.
The civil rights act was an attempt to codify what they thought was a protection of liberty but it was reinterpreted by activist judges beyond its remits. If you go back and see the debates in the house or senate about it one of the sponsors of the bill explicitly denounced it would be interpreted in the ways it has been since.
If they have sound legal reasoning for why those court cases need to be reversed and we need LEGISLATION for those social changes then I fully support that because interpreting it in a way you like for civil rights is not the courts job.
Anyone promoting and aiding the transitioning of children needs to be arrested for child abuse.
The standard to accept a child is trans is that they are insistent, persistent and consistent in their identity.
We should add "independent" because it seems some of these cases Ive read about, the child doesnt remember they are trans until their parent reminds them.
This is about children. Why not interview a parent of a T kid.
This T does not have children. Their opinion is void.
@@gbaran7991 plenty of trans people have kids. What?
every trans adult was once a trans child. that’s why our opinion matters. why should yours matter? are you trans, the parent of a trans child or a medical professional treating/researching about care for trans children?
Even if you were to leave it in the parents' hands, if said child doesn't get the diagnosis they want they can shop around till they do or can leave the state to get medication without parental guidance or awareness.
@@TheAdamGiles No child who by virtue of their non adult experience has any way of having full knowledge of what it means for the rest of their lives to be groomed into so called transition..
So many now, young adults, realising that it was all outside influence and that their mental health issues lay.elsewhere, and in detransitioing are left with damage and changes to their bodies that they should never have been encouraged to do. The very clue that it's wrong to put put transitioning motions in young teens heads is the fact the schools do not inform their parents who are their legal guardians. None of this ideology that ' 'transitioning' is a normal option should be happening in schools.
Heaven forbid they should get the care they need. What is the likelihood that a kid could remain that motivated for that long to get treatment they "want" and be making a mistake about their gender identity?
Medical age of majority depends on the state. This is mostly useful if a teenager gets pregnant or wants birth control. But it is also occasionally useful if the parents are in like a cult that rejects medicine and the child needs medication. If they are over the age of medical majority in their state, usually 16, they can go to the doctor by themselves.
Crossing state lines to get medication as a minor is trickier but possible. This is almost always about abortion but could be for other issues as well
How do you picture a 13 year old leaving their home, much less their whole state, to go get treatment? By the way, doctors can also refuse to treat a minor without parental consent.
@audreymuzingo933 said 13 year old contacts social workers and is removed from home for not being affirmed and taken to another state. Maine is one such state.
Yes, the doctor can refuse. But risks being branded a transphobe on social media dragged. Bye bye career
Imagine the spoiled cushy life you have to have where this is your hill to die on.
Yeah, why do these people waste their entire lives trying to hurt other people and take away people's rights? Don't they have a hobby?
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