I think it is just decades of neoliberal democracy failing to deliver on anything. We are forever promised changes and reforms and streamlining of processes and reductions in inequality and all we end up getting is increased power in the hands of bureaucracies and judiciaries while Executives and legislators are increasingly constrained by an ever narrowing window of permissible political opinion. Taxes, spending and deficits always rise while our services continually decline in quality. The new social movements of the 1960s have had 60 years now to deliver on their promise of live and live and equal rights for all. Instead what we have is ever sharpening factionalization, division of people into protected and privileged classes, more and more and more political correctness, words you can't say, things that were okay yesterday but offensive today. Meanwhile, actual equality and mutual respect across racial and gender lines becomes a mirage that Fades further into the distance the more vigorously we pursue it. I am not a right-wing populist myself but I certainly see where it's coming from. People are tired of the empty lives they lead under neoliberal politically correct capitalism and they are hankering for a change.
Perfectly said. The elite academic media heads can't see the reality of the majority. Bill Clinton's polices are far right according to the left of 2024
Isn't it interesting that both parties are the problem? Neither one has offered real upward mobility for the majority of citizens since the 1980's. I believe America is looking to reshuffle the playing cards and I only hope it includes a reinvigorated democracy and not a kleptocracy
Its pretty crazy to think at their level with that money and whole companies who provide statistical analysis on citizens and voters that they cant see why its happening, which a person then has to consider: "Is this willful ignorance or intentional deception?".
It is very funny to see her say that Social democracy doesn't work to stem the tide while also claiming that Corbyn was some sort of economic radical, rather than just a return to a form of socialist politics that was common in the immediately post-war era. Total contradiction.
the only time i've ever fully agreed with a right wing conservative was when they said liberals created all of these policies without thinking of the consequences. neoliberalism has created all of this intense resentment and a feeling that the left always acts so powerless when it comes to helping the people but will immediately jump to action to help the corporations. the right does that too, but at least the right acknowledges the rage people feel
Your observation makes sense if you don't imagine the political spectrum extending farther left than neoliberals, but it does, starting with radical liberals, to democratic socialists, on through radical socialists, all the way to communists and anarchists. Anyone who is a member of these ideological groups would tend to describe neoliberals as "center right", and the further left you go, the more hostile they are to corporate power and collaboration with it.
But the key thing to note is that 90% of that rage is fueled by misinformation, and even at best when it is warranted it is directed towards an imaginary or wrong target ("deep state" etc. etc.). What you're asking for is to start treating voters like children who lack the ability to understand basic facts about politics/economics. If we start focusing our policies not on what makes us all better off (free trade, trust in institutions, trust in science) but instead on appeasing misguided short-sighted feelings of rage, there would be even more rage and distrust because now things would actually be objectively bad.
You can't just ignore the existence of the Internet, if you're trying to figure out who/what created our current political environment... I would posit that the Internet and social media are the two biggest contributing factors
@@Bertinator-nm9ld But the right has been on a 50+ year mission to "stack the deck in their favor". For example ... the Moral majority, gerrymandering, voter suppression, the Federalist Society, pro-life groups, the Heritage Society, evangelical christian groups/white nationalism, billionaire PACs like the Koch Bros, Supreme Court manipulation, and many more. So it is not just the internet and social media that has affected the current political environment. It has been a long and consistent effort by the right wing and big money.
@@rbu2136 Yeah, Liberals don't have nearly as good of a media controlling propaganda machine, as the one that MAGA has built. Republicans definitely have the edge, in the information war
@@rbu2136 Yeah. Liberals can't compete with MAGA, when it comes to controlling the media environment. Maga is just better at lying and getting all their media sources to fall in line
Because the ideology that is at the root of our politics - Liberalism… is revealing it’s dysfunctional nature. So it’s not certain failed policies, or a string of bad leaders… it’s just that the ideas and notions at the root of our politics is problematic. It used to work because we had strong pre-liberal influences mixed in with our liberalism… but all those influences have been eviscerated. So now we have Liberalism in mostly pure form, and that is why we are seeing the dysfunction that we see.
you said a lot of nothing right here. the ideas and notions at the root of our politics? Such as? (nothing) Pre-liberal influences such as???? (nothing). nonsense. no people can't hold a job. Edit: I dare say you have not a clue what liberalism is nor what influenced it. You guys are deep as a kiddy pool. Your opinion will not be missed.
As for your comment - can you be more specific about what you are actually criticizing? Because I'm not sure what "roots" you are criticizing. Because the problem is that your (American) perception of liberalism is quite unfortunate - your liberalism of late has been associated with the left, which has turned liberalism on its head and claims (simplistically) "equality is more important than individual liberty". But real liberalism says the opposite.
@@Eristtx I’m talking about Liberalism in both the classical and progressive form. I can’t explain these views in a RUclips comment… look up the movement called ‘Post-liberalism’ if you are interested
@@evcoolgeneBut you can't provide ANY specifics? Not even one example? I maybe wouldn't be as harsh as the other guy, but your comment did come off as a bunch of buzzwords, strung together. It needs more substance
Social media is like pouring gasoline on a fire. The massive amount of propaganda flowing over social media will make sensible people just throw their hands up in the air. I see no way of correcting or fixing this problem with social media either
She is 100% correct. 45% percent of Germans aged 15 or younger have an immigrant background. Almost all liberals like to comfort themselves by imagining that this wouldn't be a problem if only "The Algorithm wasn't making people nazis". "The Nazi Algorithm" is for the left what "Soros and Jews" are for the right. Facebook isn't why AFD will eventually become Germany's ruling party; immigrants are.
Every financial crisis in USA has been caused by the right by conservatives. Every economic boom has been caused by liberals and liberal progressive policies. Look it up.
@@kaiserblazer i can’t say i know enough about the political trends of India to say, but I’m not positive Hindu nationalism is the same thing as “right wing populism” in the West, or frankly drawing from the same vein of ideology per se. Nor do i think the South American trend of vacillating between extreme left and right governments, which happens all over the continent for generations across the past 100 years, is also coming from the same place as US , Canada, UK , France , Germany, Italy…. Theres a major economic and cultural difference between your southern hemisphere examples and the countries being primarily referenced here. This woman’s analysis is naive and purposefully so. They can’t tell you whats really going on and why people are reacting this way because the house of cards collapses.
@@ufdas-wu1cr Instead of jumping to conclusions that support your preconceived prejudices, why not just ask what people mean, when they say "far right"? That's what I do when people use words like "woke". I ask them to define their terms. That's much more enlightening than just jumping to conclusions, like you're currently doing!
@@FemFlorida It’s why Project 2025 wants to severely restrict the availability of contraceptives, especially the contraceptive pill….in addition to a nationwide ban on abortion across the US. It was written by the far right Heritage Foundation whose members include conservative Catholics (including Opus Dei members) and fundamentalist Christian protestants. They basically want women back to a 1950’s type role.
Ezra was right to hold that there's more to the influence of social media than just accelerating inherent social changes. In addition to his point about its influence being intentionally and algorithmically manipulated; What happens in any number of situations when frequent communication occurs between like minded individuals over a significant period of time? A separate culture starts to develop. We know this from development of languages and accents, from development of regional identity, from belonging to a social class, from racial segregation, from high school. That's the third leg of the MAGA stool - human social behavior.
@@rbu2136 Left, right, up, down, doesn't matter. It's human nature in any long standing, isolative culture. Social media is providing that in this case. We seek like minded folks to validate us and offer a sense of community. Especially when we're under stress. It leads to factionalism. Which, of course, increases its pull.
Dude don't compare the two one is dangerous one is cringe lmao literally the "extreme" left you whataboutists always seem to bring up to down play the extreme right. The key difference is the political legitimazation of the extreme right right vs the inherent distance leftist politicians have to anything even considered mildly extreme.
1:20:38 This is such a tired argument. People have always been aging. Believe it or not Ezra, people tend to change how they vote as they age, some of us call this "wisdom" or "experience".
Alternatively it`s hard-headedness, stuck in their ways and out of touch with what`s going on for anyone else, since they are retired and don`t get mixed up with other people at work any more.
That’s all well and good but one person’s culture war is another person’s bigotry. This topic needs to be viewed through the prism of human psychology and the external influences on it, namely fear, greed and intolerance.
## Problems and Key Ideas in the video The source, an excerpt from a transcript of the Ezra Klein Show podcast featuring Pipa Norris, identifies a number of problems and key ideas related to the rise of right-wing authoritarian politics globally. Here is a list of those problems and key ideas, along with explanations and examples: * **The Silent Revolution in Cultural Values:** This refers to the generational shift towards more liberal, post-materialist values, such as women's equality, LGBTQ+ rights, secularism, and environmentalism. This shift, driven by increasing economic security and the fulfillment of basic material needs, has occurred gradually over decades as younger generations replace older ones. * For example, support for gay marriage has grown significantly, becoming widely accepted in many countries, while marijuana use, once taboo, has been liberalized in numerous places. * **Cultural Backlash:** As the Silent Revolution progressed, a segment of the population, primarily older generations, felt left behind and threatened by these cultural changes. This led to a cultural backlash, manifested in the rise of authoritarian populist parties that seek to restore traditional values and push back against social liberalism. * For example, parties like the Sweden Democrats, Brothers of Italy, and the National Rally in France have gained traction by appealing to those who feel threatened by immigration, multiculturalism, and the erosion of traditional gender roles and family structures. * **Disorientation and the Promise of Nostalgia:** The rapid pace of cultural change, amplified by social media and the 24-hour news cycle, has created a sense of disorientation among those who feel alienated from the evolving cultural landscape. Authoritarian populist leaders exploit this disorientation by offering nostalgic promises to restore a simpler, more familiar past, often centered on idealized notions of national identity, traditional values, and economic structures. * Brexit, with its slogan "Make Britain Great Again", exemplifies this appeal to nostalgia. Proponents like Boris Johnson framed it as a return to a time when Britain was a global power, harkening back to the days of the British Empire. * **The Transgressive Aesthetic:** Authoritarian populist leaders often cultivate a transgressive aesthetic, characterized by a rejection of political correctness, a disdain for expertise, and a willingness to break with established norms and conventions. This appeals to those who feel silenced and marginalized by the prevailing cultural discourse and who see these leaders as authentically representing their values and frustrations. * Donald Trump's rhetoric and behavior, such as his derogatory comments about immigrants and his attacks on the media and political establishment, illustrate this transgressive aesthetic. His supporters often viewed his unwillingness to conform to traditional political norms as a sign of strength and authenticity. * **Tipping Points and the Politics of Resentment:** As the cultural and demographic changes brought about by the Silent Revolution reach a certain threshold - a tipping point - the anxieties and resentments of those who feel left behind become increasingly potent. This creates a fertile ground for authoritarian populist leaders to exploit these sentiments and mobilize their base. * The demographic shift in the United States, marked by a declining white population and a growing Hispanic population, is often cited as a key tipping point fueling the rise of the MAGA movement and its anxieties about "demographic replacement". * **The Role of Economic Factors:** While cultural factors are identified as the primary drivers of support for authoritarian populist parties, economic anxieties can exacerbate cultural resentments and create a sense of vulnerability that these parties can exploit. However, evidence suggests that economic factors alone are not sufficient to explain the rise of populism, as these parties have gained traction even in affluent countries with strong social safety nets. * While the loss of manufacturing jobs in certain regions of the United States was initially seen as a key factor behind Trump's success, the rise of populism in economically prosperous countries like Norway, Sweden, and Denmark suggests that economic explanations alone are incomplete. * **Challenges for the Left:** The source highlights the dilemma faced by left-leaning parties in addressing the cultural backlash. These parties are often internally divided on cultural issues, making it difficult to craft a coherent message that appeals to both their progressive base and the more traditional working-class voters who feel alienated by cultural change. * Left-wing parties struggle to balance their commitment to liberal values, such as diversity and LGBTQ+ rights, with the concerns of working-class voters who feel economically and culturally marginalized. The source suggests that understanding the interplay between generational shifts in values, cultural anxieties, economic factors, and the evolving media landscape is crucial for comprehending the rise of right-wing authoritarian politics and the challenges it poses to liberal democracy.
So much belittling assumptions about the people in these countries who are resistant to cultural and demographic changes that did not occur naturally, but were implemented intentionally from the top down. Also, the casual use of language that portrays these populations of suffering from a pathological condition
It’s not disorientation . It’s recognition that in almost ever way , from economics to the level of division and anxiety the cultural changes are the reason why society is in decline . The feeling is that all these changes are directly related to that decline . The breakdown of “ traditional values” like patriotism the nuclear family as one man one woman with their biological children, citizenship religious affiliation are the things that made life better . That’s what’s behind MAGA.
1:22:50 is the most important part of this conversation. Pippa Norris explicitly says her concern is reaching the point at which a section of the population, one which she admits used to be a majority (and the country's foundation) can no longer speak out. How can she not see that this will not be gone along with? And that such a decline is already inherently political?
Also Pippa is wrong when she says 'nobody would vote for' Jeremy Corbyn. He got far more votes than Keir Starmer, although due to where those votes were, and the relative apathy of the Conservative voters in the recent election, he lost and Sir Keir won. She must have known he got many votes, so I do not know why she said this.
Thta`s a misunderstanding where the problems you list come from. The bad economic situation for everyday Americans and the anxiety that comes with that is a result of nearly all the wealth being concentrated in the hands of a few billionaires who are now also grabbing for political power. It has nothing to do with "the breakdown of traditional family values". Do you seriously think we have a bad economy and people are anxious because gay and lesbian couples are allowed to get married and adopt kids now? Please explain to me how that wrecked our housing market.
@@anthill1510 And these same people voted for the billionaires and corporates who profit from their distress and rejected the person who proposed to help?
No one is imposing a 'non traditional' way of life on these people. They are virulently anti 'trans'.. yet only 1% of the population identify as trans. In what way can 'trans' people cause problems for the 'traditional' people?
Extremists have had occasional periods of success, like fashion, but (also like fashions), they've rarely controlled government in a sustained manner bc the people tire of their limitations. As Arthur Schlesinger wrote, throughout much of our history, there have been cycles between conservative and liberal tendencies. Consider Hungary for example. They've had their dalliance with Orban's right wing movement for a while, but it's starting to appear that Orban may soon be on the way out. "And so it goes..." Consider Italy's President Maroni. She started out as somewhat of a right-wing idealogue, but her right-wing and euroskeptic tendencies have rapidly given way to more of a "right-center/right" (the most centrist and least euroskeptic party group in the EU Parliament). She's fairly close to Ursula Vanderleyen, the ultimate centrist...I believe they're friends. So what looks like a swing to the right at one point may not look that way in a few years. Consider the EU Parliament elections of 2024. Despite a rise in seats for the right-wing parties, the EU Parliament leadership is entirely made up of moderates, ranging from center/left to center/right -- just as it was over the past five years -- and the right-wing parties have been entirely frozen out of the leadership.
Why the sigh? Id rather be poor and have neighbour friends, a wife and 2 kids than my current high standard of living with a fluid job, drugs, vietnameese takeout food, netflix and the option to be trans. Liberalism has nothing to offer normal men.
@@Ston247I thought “Live free or die.” was a thing Americans were proud of. Guess not anymore. They want their authoritarian daddy to tell them what to do and think and feel.
If one is called Racist for having a different opinion than the the 1,%and those who think they know better than the populus, what do you they should vote,? Its quite disturbing to know how my fellow ivy educated think about the working class, the black and brown people thinking for themselves and even American women defending their rights to be more than a single issue voter. What is education for today if it doesn't open up the American mind.
The foundational premise here is that liberal progressivism is the natural order of things, and rejection or rightward movement is an aberration. But implicit in progressivism is that it can "progress' too far, or in the wrong direction.
Regarding transgressive movements: I’m all for expanding the Overton window if new ideas and movements - values changes - can be grounded in kindness and wisdom. I don’t think we are collectively mature enough for such a movement. We seem to have chosen ugly disruption. But maybe this, too, can eventually play a role toward getting the collective us ‘there’. Enough suffering and regret helps nearly everyone to step closer to the wisdom path.
00:00 Easy, talking heads call anyone they don’t agree with on 100% of the issues far right as a smear tactic. Unfortunately the ending of the boy who cried wolf wasn’t a good one.
Ezra I know your focus is political science but because your influence and intelligence are both so high I urge you to step back and view our current situation from a broader less human-focused perspective. We are in serious environmental overshoot. We are a dangerous but highly gifted species careening blindly toward world human civilization collapse. Please add some variables such as energy flow and overshoot to your analysis. I’d suggest Nate Hagens and Daniel Schmachtenberger for a mind-altering re-direct. Our species desperately needs just this.
Three cheers for this comment 👏👏👏 I just listened to Nate's latest episode this morning. Far too many have no clue what is in store for society in the coming decade. Even a deep dive into the rapidly developing homeowner insurance crisis would be a good starter if not already done (I'm not a regular listener)
@Bertinator-nm9ld how was the science multiple millennia ago? I suspect it's more reliable now. Resources are finite for 8+B population. Overshoot is a thing.
World War II was a total war (at least in Europe). Men went to the frontlines, while women took on roles in factories, producing essential goods for both society and the military. This shift, among many other factors, fueled the emancipation of women and their departure from traditional patriarchal paradigms.
Because when the pendulum swings so far one way it inherently swings back the opposite way just as hard. I'm just looking forward to hopefully getting to the point where the pendulum stops swinging for a little bit
An interesting discussion. However, I think that the 2024 US election results suggest that some of the guest's arguments are overstated or not supported by a substantive analysis of how US voters actually voted in 2024 and how Americans describe their political views in well-regarded polls. For example, the implicit assumption that each generation has more progressive attitudes than the previous one seems inaccurate (many polls indicate that Gen X Americans are the generation most likely to favor Trump and that Americans under 30 have less progressive views than often assumed). The discussion also fails to engage with why so many Latino voters and African-American males have shifted away from the Democratic Party to voting for Trump in the past 8 years.
Yall say this but have voted for the guy inherently against the "average" worker. Come on man at this point ya'll are just mad and it's ok to say that, but be adult enough to say you don't necessarily know what exactly your mad about or rather who you're mad at. Im working class in a RED state and I guarantee you it isn't JUST the left you should be mad at. You're an adult educate yourself outside of your echo chamber.
@@WhatsUp20201no, also be mad at the top-down corporate elite push of cultural and demographic change. The left hasn’t been the “rebels” against the system, but has been aiding the system in melting any and all distinctions that lead to functional and orderly communities with social capital and high trust
Lack of critical thinking. What does "normal values" mean? Do you mean Islamic Values? Enlightenment Values? Anti - Semitic values? Hindu Values? Normal?
@daydays12 Sure thing genius, people against DEI cult, normal people against race hustlers, normies against political elites who have this country 35 trillion in debt. You know the party that won in a landslide!
Oh, dear God-listening to these two patting each other on the back as they (erroneously) congratulate themselves for having “nailed” the motivations & beliefs that led the majority of the voting public to vote the way that they did, is like listening to a bad 60s student consciousness-raising exercise…. While the answer you invented as explanation for the Rightward surge ( resentment, rapid social change, etc ) is designed to make any self-respecting elite tear up-while nodding his head in revelation - it is an answer as pat & melodramatic as it is off-base…..You will never understand the majority until you abandon your non-gentile urban echo chambers for the heart of the country….
Always cracks me up when people who live in rural areas think they don’t live in bubbles or that they’re the “real” people of the country. Can we call this rural elitism?
I missed an important factor. The western societys of the first 30 years after the 2nd WW have been highly conformist. Beginning with late 60th the new generation become mor and individualistic, you have to special and singular. To be different means a lot of work, money and competition, between you and your peers as well as you and people who want to be more conformist.
This analyst is looking at the wave but not at what is causing the frequency. Here sre my data points and I am almost 60 and talk to many young people eho sgree with me. Mind you, I was radical as a youth and fought to stop apartheid and police brutality. I lived in Sweden and see how the social democrats use their liberal rhetoric, but there is a money gravy train to place poor immigrants in bronx-like structures with little care for safety or a level playing field for competition. If you wanna talk USA, Biden family working with Ukrainian oligarchs with no respect for life is not unlike what Republicans, like Bush family, did with Hitler's regime and business friends. The change is that UD dem.party now accepts corporate donations. They did NOT prior to Clinton regime. The liberals press each other to be the sameand when they are NOT, they are "blasted" as Putin lovees. So, a change from factual debate (look st a map to understand Russian security concerns -- they WANTED to join the EU in early 2000s). Then there are Democrats like in Canada and Croatia. Alberta dem talks about Mexicans threatening their immigration when talking to American audience. Reality: Canada URGES Mexican immigrants on TV commercials in Mexico to apply and come to work in Canada, emphasizing how simple a process it is. Plenković, bragging to have soent billions $ on Rafaels. Something Croatia cannot afford. Meanwhile, it sent troops to die in Afghanistan for the US and its "coalition of the willing." But Crostia is a 2nd class NATO member. After purchasing uplifted affordable F-15s from Israle, they had to give them back! The US clawed back the Israeli-Croatia deal! These are issues my friends because the liberals are political globalists that dont fight for interests of their own people. What does Sweden or Finland need NATO for? Nothing. They both prospered and were revered for their liberal independence and received good will from Russia. Yet they were all swayed. Funny jow these storm-trooper fascist police states couldnet even complet their Nordstream investigations. So there you go.
The right wing populism started in India with Modi coming to power in India in 2014. Modi will be PM till 2029 , he just won mandate this year for 3rd term.
if you think modi is " right wing " then you have no idea you talking about ... Modi is dishing out govt handout to poor people to buy their vote while claiming the "other side " does it worse .. its especially painful( I voted for him ) to me as he came out against govt handouts initially but ig he just couldn't pass the lure to buy millions of vote through cheap tactics including govt handouts and increasing govt quotas for his preferred electoral groups .
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I listened to the first ten minutes and you gave her plenty of time to lay out why her views of what everybody listening to this podcast already knows about the development of boomers to Gen X to Y, etc. and most importantly, what is her original insight, at least the germ of it. Not there. Just a convoluted rehash which she is obviously using as a set up for some other argument using some supposedly unnoticed subtlety of interpretation of these we’ll know facts. I am taking the time to write this because I’ve heard some good things on your show, but you are generally pitching things at too general of an audience. Most people listening to your show already have heard these arguments or ones that are similar enough to be hairsplittingly different, at least in their set up. I just don’t have the time, inclination, or will to sit through something that is, first of all boring, and more importantly, undermines my will to sit through something whose dubiousness factor is rising by the word. Perhaps it’s my loss. But it’s your show.
I don’t think The NY Times and Ezra Klein appreciate how many people tune them out by referring to Trump (or Bolsonaro, Orban, et al.) as “far right” instead of just the Right. “Transgressive?” Who are clutching their pearls now?
Klein show is better than most because of intellectual quality. Now it is time for EK to falsify the arguments that he avoids (NOT Progressive or Left) Example: Gay marriage is a subset of Marriage. Why not ask about the function of marriage, present state - and how the anti-patriarchy view does not own the negative results for society? Beyond anti-immigrant, why don’t you go to the countries of origin and attempt to affix to them the same framework and expectations you hold for USA/Europe? It is this “keep the adversary under scrutiny, so we don’t tease out our own sins” that remains as the flaw of your disposition.
The fact that you call all of these movements "Far right" has made both the term "Far right" meaningless and made old media like the NYT increasingly irrelevant and distrusted. Your framing of stories reeks of a level of arrogance and how far left you think! 10 years ago I voted green and my views have nearly changed, that's how far the old media has gone left!
@catholicpog7183 You act like we don't have history to look at? Or common sense. We not talking about "different ideas". These are policies that are effectively removing all opposition to a party, so there is no other thought or opinions. If you aren't on board with that, you are gone. You act like Hitler might have been onto something... Not sure how slavery is extreme and airplanes don't affect anything other than make life easier. There is a difference between an invention or crazy idea and forcing everyone to bend to your will. Or convincing others how bad another group of people are.
@@catholicpog7183well if you actually believe what you say, no movement is over. Things evolve by pendulum swings, and finally balance out for a while. Then it begins again.
@@catholicpog7183Ok, but eugenics was also an extreme idea, and it wound up being anything but good... Why is this one of the good extremes, and not one of the bad ones?
@@calebfreidenfelt1671there are particular narratives in history that are distorted. For instance her speaking about the women's rights movement in the second or third wave where she makes the false accusation of unequal pay between men and women. That lost me right from the beginning of this institutional babble.
@@calebfreidenfelt1671I have about 20 reasons why the pay gap is a myth. Women and academics could acknowledge the wrong and we could move on, but the left keeps pushing.
I come from the left as recently as last year. So if this is far right, is not that far from far left. These human tendencies of thinking can be faulty when you don't consider that we're are a new coalition, so we are defining these values incrementally right? What the far right means, and that definition is always being manifested. So what you're saying needs to have context through story telling and then we can relate to these ideas. Well, we're writing our own now. We're the media now. So can keep on talking, talking, talking, and the elitists are sucked into their own black hole. Getting smaller, and smaller
What populists who take power don't seem to understand... now you're the elite and what was worse will now become destructive and awful. you'd get rid of the vaccine so you and your children can enjoy polio. this is a metaphor for everything that will follow. we've seen this movie before.
It is interesting that the anti-establishment faction of politics basically controls the media narrative, these days. The amount of media dominance (and how well they can frame media narratives) that MAGA has is insane!
The core problem with anti-institutional movements, like this, is that they have no plan for "the day after". There is no plan for what should replace our elites and institutions, once they've been torn down. There's just an assumption that "anything must be better than what we have now". And that is ABSOLUTELY not true! Well, that's one problem. Another problem is that anti-establishment movements are easily co-opted by leaders who only want to use you for their own ends. Leaders like Donald.
The academic discussion seems to skirt around the more uncomfortable (to liberals) issues that galvanized so many outraged conservative American voters -- crushing inflation under Biden's watch, absurd mandates under Biden's watch, immigrant funding and crime, men invading women's private spaces, federal abortion funding, endless wars, two-tier justice, and government over-reach such as ATF, EPA, USDA. As long as these issues are unspeakable (to liberals), there will never be anything near the common ground that Pippa is vocally advocating for. There's also an ongoing underestimation of emotion behind conservative voters worldwide. They have had enough. Can you not see this anti-establishment emotion in the large demonstrations in European countries such as the UK and Netherlands?
Inflation was primarily a consequence of either corporate consolidation or equally Trump's fault for his covid response, trans issues are so marginal as to be a joke, Republicans don't want to solve immigration by going after the business owners. Etc etc etc These issues are a joke, the GOP has no real concern for immigration and that's why it scuppered Bidens's bill As long as the GOP and it's voters are unserious about solving any of the problems they list, unless it's their way and done by them, then there is no point in talking to them Enjoy losing your social security folks. You earned it
It’s nothing but emotion. Irrational fear of margined groups in order to ignore the raw corruption and corporate power the Right has done nothing to stop. Enjoying Elon Musk making all the decisions now?
How to say you are a far left without saying you are far left. .. call conservatives "far right". Stop talking about conservatives in language that implies that conservative is a "problem".
I think it is just decades of neoliberal democracy failing to deliver on anything. We are forever promised changes and reforms and streamlining of processes and reductions in inequality and all we end up getting is increased power in the hands of bureaucracies and judiciaries while Executives and legislators are increasingly constrained by an ever narrowing window of permissible political opinion. Taxes, spending and deficits always rise while our services continually decline in quality.
The new social movements of the 1960s have had 60 years now to deliver on their promise of live and live and equal rights for all. Instead what we have is ever sharpening factionalization, division of people into protected and privileged classes, more and more and more political correctness, words you can't say, things that were okay yesterday but offensive today. Meanwhile, actual equality and mutual respect across racial and gender lines becomes a mirage that Fades further into the distance the more vigorously we pursue it.
I am not a right-wing populist myself but I certainly see where it's coming from. People are tired of the empty lives they lead under neoliberal politically correct capitalism and they are hankering for a change.
Perfectly said. The elite academic media heads can't see the reality of the majority. Bill Clinton's polices are far right according to the left of 2024
Isn't it interesting that both parties are the problem?
Neither one has offered real upward mobility for the majority of citizens since the 1980's.
I believe America is looking to reshuffle the playing cards and I only hope it includes a reinvigorated democracy and not a kleptocracy
Well, they will certainly get the change they want on the far right.
Its pretty crazy to think at their level with that money and whole companies who provide statistical analysis on citizens and voters that they cant see why its happening,
which a person then has to consider: "Is this willful ignorance or intentional deception?".
@@wvvwwvwvv I think the majority of the problem was, conformation bias and general incompetence.
It is very funny to see her say that Social democracy doesn't work to stem the tide while also claiming that Corbyn was some sort of economic radical, rather than just a return to a form of socialist politics that was common in the immediately post-war era. Total contradiction.
This conversation ignores the fact that the youngest voters are shifting right.
Good guest. No one outside the bubble is listening. Word salad questions answered intelligently. This was a good listen.
Pretty out of touch.
the only time i've ever fully agreed with a right wing conservative was when they said liberals created all of these policies without thinking of the consequences. neoliberalism has created all of this intense resentment and a feeling that the left always acts so powerless when it comes to helping the people but will immediately jump to action to help the corporations. the right does that too, but at least the right acknowledges the rage people feel
Your observation makes sense if you don't imagine the political spectrum extending farther left than neoliberals, but it does, starting with radical liberals, to democratic socialists, on through radical socialists, all the way to communists and anarchists. Anyone who is a member of these ideological groups would tend to describe neoliberals as "center right", and the further left you go, the more hostile they are to corporate power and collaboration with it.
@@davidmagrass6728 i used left and right as broad generalizations
But the key thing to note is that 90% of that rage is fueled by misinformation, and even at best when it is warranted it is directed towards an imaginary or wrong target ("deep state" etc. etc.). What you're asking for is to start treating voters like children who lack the ability to understand basic facts about politics/economics. If we start focusing our policies not on what makes us all better off (free trade, trust in institutions, trust in science) but instead on appeasing misguided short-sighted feelings of rage, there would be even more rage and distrust because now things would actually be objectively bad.
You can't just ignore the existence of the Internet, if you're trying to figure out who/what created our current political environment...
I would posit that the Internet and social media are the two biggest contributing factors
@@Bertinator-nm9ld But the right has been on a 50+ year mission to "stack the deck in their favor". For example ... the Moral majority, gerrymandering, voter suppression, the Federalist Society, pro-life groups, the Heritage Society, evangelical christian groups/white nationalism, billionaire PACs like the Koch Bros, Supreme Court manipulation, and many more. So it is not just the internet and social media that has affected the current political environment. It has been a long and consistent effort by the right wing and big money.
Also, yeah most people aren't getting news thru their TV's anymore... lol
But but we cannot control them that way. Literal quote from Hillary Clinton. Who said with a serious face.
@@rbu2136 It was something like "Its not Ok they may control what people think because its our Job"
@@rbu2136 Yeah. Liberals don't have nearly as good a propaganda machine as the ones Republicans have. They really beat us to the punch, on that!
@@rbu2136 Yeah, Liberals don't have nearly as good of a media controlling propaganda machine, as the one that MAGA has built. Republicans definitely have the edge, in the information war
@@rbu2136 Yeah. Liberals can't compete with MAGA, when it comes to controlling the media environment. Maga is just better at lying and getting all their media sources to fall in line
Because the ideology that is at the root of our politics - Liberalism… is revealing it’s dysfunctional nature. So it’s not certain failed policies, or a string of bad leaders… it’s just that the ideas and notions at the root of our politics is problematic. It used to work because we had strong pre-liberal influences mixed in with our liberalism… but all those influences have been eviscerated. So now we have Liberalism in mostly pure form, and that is why we are seeing the dysfunction that we see.
you said a lot of nothing right here. the ideas and notions at the root of our politics? Such as? (nothing) Pre-liberal influences such as???? (nothing). nonsense. no people can't hold a job.
Edit: I dare say you have not a clue what liberalism is nor what influenced it. You guys are deep as a kiddy pool. Your opinion will not be missed.
As for your comment - can you be more specific about what you are actually criticizing? Because I'm not sure what "roots" you are criticizing. Because the problem is that your (American) perception of liberalism is quite unfortunate - your liberalism of late has been associated with the left, which has turned liberalism on its head and claims (simplistically) "equality is more important than individual liberty". But real liberalism says the opposite.
@@Eristtx I’m talking about Liberalism in both the classical and progressive form. I can’t explain these views in a RUclips comment… look up the movement called ‘Post-liberalism’ if you are interested
@@birdstrikes these are not simple things I can explain in a youtube comment… but if you are interested look up the Postliberal movement
@@evcoolgeneBut you can't provide ANY specifics? Not even one example?
I maybe wouldn't be as harsh as the other guy, but your comment did come off as a bunch of buzzwords, strung together. It needs more substance
I thought this interview was today until I read the description. Seems like we have a long way to go.
She lost me at her inability to understand how the smart phones and social media algorithms have really helped promote polarization.
Social media is like pouring gasoline on a fire. The massive amount of propaganda flowing over social media will make sensible people just throw their hands up in the air. I see no way of correcting or fixing this problem with social media either
She is 100% correct. 45% percent of Germans aged 15 or younger have an immigrant background.
Almost all liberals like to comfort themselves by imagining that this wouldn't be a problem if only "The Algorithm wasn't making people nazis". "The Nazi Algorithm" is for the left what "Soros and Jews" are for the right. Facebook isn't why AFD will eventually become Germany's ruling party; immigrants are.
It started since the 2008 financial crisis. I think that is obvious.
Every financial crisis in USA has been caused by the right by conservatives. Every economic boom has been caused by liberals and liberal progressive policies. Look it up.
No, before that if you listened to her
Can we outsource the elites with AGI?
Did all these countries import a massive amount of foreigners without asking anyone?
Sure did and they will call you a racist or bigot for even noticing! Then they will ponder why we are so polarized 😲
No. The biggest one, India, or the third biggest one, Brazil didn't. Neither did most of eastern europe, where the problem is actually emigration.
@@brianmeen2158 Who have India, Brazil or Philippines import?
Shocker people HATE that.
@@kaiserblazer i can’t say i know enough about the political trends of India to say, but I’m not positive Hindu nationalism is the same thing as “right wing populism” in the West, or frankly drawing from the same vein of ideology per se. Nor do i think the South American trend of vacillating between extreme left and right governments, which happens all over the continent for generations across the past 100 years, is also coming from the same place as US , Canada, UK , France , Germany, Italy…. Theres a major economic and cultural difference between your southern hemisphere examples and the countries being primarily referenced here. This woman’s analysis is naive and purposefully so. They can’t tell you whats really going on and why people are reacting this way because the house of cards collapses.
If its all over, how could it possibly be "Far"
It's not Far anything. it's just normal now
if it's not "far", no one would open the clicb@it
@@ToMgRoEbE It's all over geographically. It's not a majority of people, though. Not by any stretch of the imagination
"far right" means doesn't benefit her tribe (Bad) and "left" means benefit her tribe (Good).
@@ufdas-wu1cr Instead of jumping to conclusions that support your preconceived prejudices, why not just ask what people mean, when they say "far right"?
That's what I do when people use words like "woke". I ask them to define their terms. That's much more enlightening than just jumping to conclusions, like you're currently doing!
44:55 "The issue of migrants has gone down in Europe".
Clueless.
You love the NSDAP
This is really good, thank you Ezra!
It's curious, but no one ever mentions safe reliable accessible birth control as a disruption that had a tremendous impact on society.
@@FemFlorida It’s why Project 2025 wants to severely restrict the availability of contraceptives, especially the contraceptive pill….in addition to a nationwide ban on abortion across the US. It was written by the far right Heritage Foundation whose members include conservative Catholics (including Opus Dei members) and fundamentalist Christian protestants. They basically want women back to a 1950’s type role.
@@FemFloridaOr the washing machine...
Great show.
This was a good discussion especially on the appeal of these parties.
"Desperate men have been known to render desperate deeds" NOFX
Anyone think a functioning government can work with truth?
Ezra was right to hold that there's more to the influence of social media than just accelerating inherent social changes. In addition to his point about its influence being intentionally and algorithmically manipulated;
What happens in any number of situations when frequent communication occurs between like minded individuals over a significant period of time? A separate culture starts to develop.
We know this from development of languages and accents, from development of regional identity, from belonging to a social class, from racial segregation, from high school. That's the third leg of the MAGA stool - human social behavior.
Same with the left and super off the deep end left.
@@rbu2136 Left, right, up, down, doesn't matter. It's human nature in any long standing, isolative culture. Social media is providing that in this case. We seek like minded folks to validate us and offer a sense of community. Especially when we're under stress.
It leads to factionalism. Which, of course, increases its pull.
Dude don't compare the two one is dangerous one is cringe lmao literally the "extreme" left you whataboutists always seem to bring up to down play the extreme right. The key difference is the political legitimazation of the extreme right right vs the inherent distance leftist politicians have to anything even considered mildly extreme.
still mad about the election or is TDS terminal
1:20:38 This is such a tired argument. People have always been aging. Believe it or not Ezra, people tend to change how they vote as they age, some of us call this "wisdom" or "experience".
Alternatively it`s hard-headedness, stuck in their ways and out of touch with what`s going on for anyone else, since they are retired and don`t get mixed up with other people at work any more.
That’s all well and good but one person’s culture war is another person’s bigotry. This topic needs to be viewed through the prism of human psychology and the external influences on it, namely fear, greed and intolerance.
## Problems and Key Ideas in the video
The source, an excerpt from a transcript of the Ezra Klein Show podcast featuring Pipa Norris, identifies a number of problems and key ideas related to the rise of right-wing authoritarian politics globally. Here is a list of those problems and key ideas, along with explanations and examples:
* **The Silent Revolution in Cultural Values:** This refers to the generational shift towards more liberal, post-materialist values, such as women's equality, LGBTQ+ rights, secularism, and environmentalism. This shift, driven by increasing economic security and the fulfillment of basic material needs, has occurred gradually over decades as younger generations replace older ones.
* For example, support for gay marriage has grown significantly, becoming widely accepted in many countries, while marijuana use, once taboo, has been liberalized in numerous places.
* **Cultural Backlash:** As the Silent Revolution progressed, a segment of the population, primarily older generations, felt left behind and threatened by these cultural changes. This led to a cultural backlash, manifested in the rise of authoritarian populist parties that seek to restore traditional values and push back against social liberalism.
* For example, parties like the Sweden Democrats, Brothers of Italy, and the National Rally in France have gained traction by appealing to those who feel threatened by immigration, multiculturalism, and the erosion of traditional gender roles and family structures.
* **Disorientation and the Promise of Nostalgia:** The rapid pace of cultural change, amplified by social media and the 24-hour news cycle, has created a sense of disorientation among those who feel alienated from the evolving cultural landscape. Authoritarian populist leaders exploit this disorientation by offering nostalgic promises to restore a simpler, more familiar past, often centered on idealized notions of national identity, traditional values, and economic structures.
* Brexit, with its slogan "Make Britain Great Again", exemplifies this appeal to nostalgia. Proponents like Boris Johnson framed it as a return to a time when Britain was a global power, harkening back to the days of the British Empire.
* **The Transgressive Aesthetic:** Authoritarian populist leaders often cultivate a transgressive aesthetic, characterized by a rejection of political correctness, a disdain for expertise, and a willingness to break with established norms and conventions. This appeals to those who feel silenced and marginalized by the prevailing cultural discourse and who see these leaders as authentically representing their values and frustrations.
* Donald Trump's rhetoric and behavior, such as his derogatory comments about immigrants and his attacks on the media and political establishment, illustrate this transgressive aesthetic. His supporters often viewed his unwillingness to conform to traditional political norms as a sign of strength and authenticity.
* **Tipping Points and the Politics of Resentment:** As the cultural and demographic changes brought about by the Silent Revolution reach a certain threshold - a tipping point - the anxieties and resentments of those who feel left behind become increasingly potent. This creates a fertile ground for authoritarian populist leaders to exploit these sentiments and mobilize their base.
* The demographic shift in the United States, marked by a declining white population and a growing Hispanic population, is often cited as a key tipping point fueling the rise of the MAGA movement and its anxieties about "demographic replacement".
* **The Role of Economic Factors:** While cultural factors are identified as the primary drivers of support for authoritarian populist parties, economic anxieties can exacerbate cultural resentments and create a sense of vulnerability that these parties can exploit. However, evidence suggests that economic factors alone are not sufficient to explain the rise of populism, as these parties have gained traction even in affluent countries with strong social safety nets.
* While the loss of manufacturing jobs in certain regions of the United States was initially seen as a key factor behind Trump's success, the rise of populism in economically prosperous countries like Norway, Sweden, and Denmark suggests that economic explanations alone are incomplete.
* **Challenges for the Left:** The source highlights the dilemma faced by left-leaning parties in addressing the cultural backlash. These parties are often internally divided on cultural issues, making it difficult to craft a coherent message that appeals to both their progressive base and the more traditional working-class voters who feel alienated by cultural change.
* Left-wing parties struggle to balance their commitment to liberal values, such as diversity and LGBTQ+ rights, with the concerns of working-class voters who feel economically and culturally marginalized.
The source suggests that understanding the interplay between generational shifts in values, cultural anxieties, economic factors, and the evolving media landscape is crucial for comprehending the rise of right-wing authoritarian politics and the challenges it poses to liberal democracy.
Recognize the arrogance and attempted moral superiority of left extremism that is massively rejected.
DEI religion for stupid people
So much belittling assumptions about the people in these countries who are resistant to cultural and demographic changes that did not occur naturally, but were implemented intentionally from the top down.
Also, the casual use of language that portrays these populations of suffering from a pathological condition
It’s not disorientation . It’s recognition that in almost ever way , from economics to the level of division and anxiety the cultural changes are the reason why society is in decline . The feeling is that all these changes are directly related to that decline . The breakdown of “ traditional values” like patriotism the nuclear family as one man one woman with their biological children, citizenship religious affiliation are the things that made life better . That’s what’s behind MAGA.
1:22:50 is the most important part of this conversation. Pippa Norris explicitly says her concern is reaching the point at which a section of the population, one which she admits used to be a majority (and the country's foundation) can no longer speak out. How can she not see that this will not be gone along with? And that such a decline is already inherently political?
Also Pippa is wrong when she says 'nobody would vote for' Jeremy Corbyn. He got far more votes than Keir Starmer, although due to where those votes were, and the relative apathy of the Conservative voters in the recent election, he lost and Sir Keir won. She must have known he got many votes, so I do not know why she said this.
Thta`s a misunderstanding where the problems you list come from. The bad economic situation for everyday Americans and the anxiety that comes with that is a result of nearly all the wealth being concentrated in the hands of a few billionaires who are now also grabbing for political power. It has nothing to do with "the breakdown of traditional family values".
Do you seriously think we have a bad economy and people are anxious because gay and lesbian couples are allowed to get married and adopt kids now? Please explain to me how that wrecked our housing market.
@@anthill1510 And these same people voted for the billionaires and corporates who profit from their distress and rejected the person who proposed to help?
No one is imposing a 'non traditional' way of life on these people.
They are virulently anti 'trans'.. yet only 1% of the population identify as trans.
In what way can 'trans' people cause problems for the 'traditional' people?
And so all these people decide a dictatorship will help them??
A very light weight discussion .
Try coping.
Name calling wont save you.
If the legacy media had covered Trump as they did Sanders, RFK Jr, Dean Phillips and similar others, he would not have succeeded.
Extremists have had occasional periods of success, like fashion, but (also like fashions), they've rarely controlled government in a sustained manner bc the people tire of their limitations. As Arthur Schlesinger wrote, throughout much of our history, there have been cycles between conservative and liberal tendencies.
Consider Hungary for example. They've had their dalliance with Orban's right wing movement for a while, but it's starting to appear that Orban may soon be on the way out. "And so it goes..."
Consider Italy's President Maroni. She started out as somewhat of a right-wing idealogue, but her right-wing and euroskeptic tendencies have rapidly given way to more of a "right-center/right" (the most centrist and least euroskeptic party group in the EU Parliament). She's fairly close to Ursula Vanderleyen, the ultimate centrist...I believe they're friends. So what looks like a swing to the right at one point may not look that way in a few years.
Consider the EU Parliament elections of 2024. Despite a rise in seats for the right-wing parties, the EU Parliament leadership is entirely made up of moderates, ranging from center/left to center/right -- just as it was over the past five years -- and the right-wing parties have been entirely frozen out of the leadership.
Safety. "You may be poor as dirt to pay for your president's yachts, but hey, at least you're safe!" Siiggghhhh.
Correct. Being broke is far better than being deceased.
Why the sigh? Id rather be poor and have neighbour friends, a wife and 2 kids than my current high standard of living with a fluid job, drugs, vietnameese takeout food, netflix and the option to be trans. Liberalism has nothing to offer normal men.
@@lor3608Bro trans people didn’t make you hate your life. Capitalism did that to you.
@@Ston247I thought “Live free or die.” was a thing Americans were proud of. Guess not anymore. They want their authoritarian daddy to tell them what to do and think and feel.
If one is called Racist for having a different opinion than the the 1,%and those who think they know better than the populus, what do you they should vote,? Its quite disturbing to know how my fellow ivy educated think about the working class, the black and brown people thinking for themselves and even American women defending their rights to be more than a single issue voter. What is education for today if it doesn't open up the American mind.
The foundational premise here is that liberal progressivism is the natural order of things, and rejection or rightward movement is an aberration. But implicit in progressivism is that it can "progress' too far, or in the wrong direction.
Regarding transgressive movements: I’m all for expanding the Overton window if new ideas and movements - values changes - can be grounded in kindness and wisdom. I don’t think we are collectively mature enough for such a movement. We seem to have chosen ugly disruption. But maybe this, too, can eventually play a role toward getting the collective us ‘there’. Enough suffering and regret helps nearly everyone to step closer to the wisdom path.
I used to be "with it". Then they changed what "it" was. Now what I am isn't "it", and what's "it" seems weird and scary to me. - Abraham Simpson.
Why are we quoting a cartoon?
The question is why not?
00:00 Easy, talking heads call anyone they don’t agree with on 100% of the issues far right as a smear tactic. Unfortunately the ending of the boy who cried wolf wasn’t a good one.
Ezra I know your focus is political science but because your influence and intelligence are both so high I urge you to step back and view our current situation from a broader less human-focused perspective. We are in serious environmental overshoot. We are a dangerous but highly gifted species careening blindly toward world human civilization collapse. Please add some variables such as energy flow and overshoot to your analysis. I’d suggest Nate Hagens and Daniel Schmachtenberger for a mind-altering re-direct. Our species desperately needs just this.
Three cheers for this comment 👏👏👏
I just listened to Nate's latest episode this morning.
Far too many have no clue what is in store for society in the coming decade.
Even a deep dive into the rapidly developing homeowner insurance crisis would be a good starter if not already done (I'm not a regular listener)
Interestingly, the notion that we're headed towards an imminent societal collapse is, itself, a multiple millennia old idea
XD
@Bertinator-nm9ld how was the science multiple millennia ago? I suspect it's more reliable now. Resources are finite for 8+B population. Overshoot is a thing.
Many answers are seemingly false. WWll for instance, was traditional. Men went off to war and women held up the home front.
World War II was a total war (at least in Europe). Men went to the frontlines, while women took on roles in factories, producing essential goods for both society and the military. This shift, among many other factors, fueled the emancipation of women and their departure from traditional patriarchal paradigms.
She seems to be right : people are voting for cultural reasons.
Great discussion. Pippa Norris is an extremely well informed, thoughtful and articulate academic.
Not to mention her accent is basically perfect. I thought I was back in my English lessons.
Because when the pendulum swings so far one way it inherently swings back the opposite way just as hard. I'm just looking forward to hopefully getting to the point where the pendulum stops swinging for a little bit
Humans are basically vile ( = selfish, ignorant , stupid and uncaring and easily fooled).
An interesting discussion. However, I think that the 2024 US election results suggest that some of the guest's arguments are overstated or not supported by a substantive analysis of how US voters actually voted in 2024 and how Americans describe their political views in well-regarded polls. For example, the implicit assumption that each generation has more progressive attitudes than the previous one seems inaccurate (many polls indicate that Gen X Americans are the generation most likely to favor Trump and that Americans under 30 have less progressive views than often assumed). The discussion also fails to engage with why so many Latino voters and African-American males have shifted away from the Democratic Party to voting for Trump in the past 8 years.
What's the difference between "the right" and "the far right?"
Depends on how snide and arrogant you are in attacking others who have different values.
@rbu2136 right wingers are snide and arrogant? Thank for helping me start my day with a chuckle.
whether they win
“The right” wants everything the left wants to happen, but slower. “The far right” has a spine and tells them no.
@@andrewpirr I think he was agreeing with you, the snide and arrogant are those that lost and generally hold those values
Sounds like someone who is paid to make anxious liberals feel better for an hour.
Triggered much?
@ my triggers my choice
@@farmeunit Calm down, its just the far right 🤣🤣
@@farmeunitthe mercantile class benefits from liberal democracies.
Neoliberalism
31:00 silent? I don't think silent is the accurate adjective.
My brain is on fire. I love it. So good! Thank you.
George Galloway - Buffalo hats and Cherokee beads (MOATS)
If there was ever a grifter...
"Far Right"😂
Calling it fascist is more like it for sure
If they're not far-right, what are they?
Soon to be Mainstream, that's what! 👀🇺🇸😱
@@CCP-Dissident
They are leftists
Anti Parasite Revolution
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Far right?! You mean average working class people with normal values, you mean them?
Yall say this but have voted for the guy inherently against the "average" worker. Come on man at this point ya'll are just mad and it's ok to say that, but be adult enough to say you don't necessarily know what exactly your mad about or rather who you're mad at. Im working class in a RED state and I guarantee you it isn't JUST the left you should be mad at. You're an adult educate yourself outside of your echo chamber.
@@WhatsUp20201no, also be mad at the top-down corporate elite push of cultural and demographic change. The left hasn’t been the “rebels” against the system, but has been aiding the system in melting any and all distinctions that lead to functional and orderly communities with social capital and high trust
@@WhatsUp20201 Thank you!
Lack of critical thinking. What does "normal values" mean? Do you mean
Islamic Values? Enlightenment Values? Anti - Semitic values? Hindu Values?
Normal?
@daydays12 Sure thing genius, people against DEI cult, normal people against race hustlers, normies against political elites who have this country 35 trillion in debt. You know the party that won in a landslide!
Oh, dear God-listening to these two patting each other on the back as they (erroneously) congratulate themselves for having “nailed” the motivations & beliefs that led the majority of the voting public to vote the way that they did, is like listening to a bad 60s student consciousness-raising exercise….
While the answer you invented as explanation for the Rightward surge ( resentment, rapid social change, etc ) is designed to make any self-respecting elite tear up-while nodding his head in revelation - it is an answer as pat & melodramatic as it is off-base…..You will never understand the majority until you abandon your non-gentile urban echo chambers for the heart of the country….
If you think the aggrieved right will save you, let alone that fool trump, I’ve got some prime swampland to sell you!
If you think the aggrieved right will save you, let alone that fool trump, I’ve got some prime swampland to sell you!
Ok. So you said in so many words you think they are wrong. You must have a reason for that, what is the actual problem, in your opinion?
Non gentile views? So you think the problem is "the Jews"?
Always cracks me up when people who live in rural areas think they don’t live in bubbles or that they’re the “real” people of the country. Can we call this rural elitism?
I missed an important factor. The western societys of the first 30 years after the 2nd WW have been highly conformist. Beginning with late 60th the new generation become mor and individualistic, you have to special and singular. To be different means a lot of work, money and competition, between you and your peers as well as you and people who want to be more conformist.
Another book to explain the rise of authoritarianism: ‘Immoderate Greatness’ by William Ophuls.
Word salad questions and word salad answers
An informative episode. Do appreciate it.
This analyst is looking at the wave but not at what is causing the frequency. Here sre my data points and I am almost 60 and talk to many young people eho sgree with me. Mind you, I was radical as a youth and fought to stop apartheid and police brutality. I lived in Sweden and see how the social democrats use their liberal rhetoric, but there is a money gravy train to place poor immigrants in bronx-like structures with little care for safety or a level playing field for competition. If you wanna talk USA, Biden family working with Ukrainian oligarchs with no respect for life is not unlike what Republicans, like Bush family, did with Hitler's regime and business friends. The change is that UD dem.party now accepts corporate donations. They did NOT prior to Clinton regime. The liberals press each other to be the sameand when they are NOT, they are "blasted" as Putin lovees. So, a change from factual debate (look st a map to understand Russian security concerns -- they WANTED to join the EU in early 2000s). Then there are Democrats like in Canada and Croatia. Alberta dem talks about Mexicans threatening their immigration when talking to American audience. Reality: Canada URGES Mexican immigrants on TV commercials in Mexico to apply and come to work in Canada, emphasizing how simple a process it is. Plenković, bragging to have soent billions $ on Rafaels. Something Croatia cannot afford. Meanwhile, it sent troops to die in Afghanistan for the US and its "coalition of the willing." But Crostia is a 2nd class NATO member. After purchasing uplifted affordable F-15s from Israle, they had to give them back! The US clawed back the Israeli-Croatia deal! These are issues my friends because the liberals are political globalists that dont fight for interests of their own people. What does Sweden or Finland need NATO for? Nothing. They both prospered and were revered for their liberal independence and received good will from Russia. Yet they were all swayed. Funny jow these storm-trooper fascist police states couldnet even complet their Nordstream investigations. So there you go.
Fear
1:23:01 exactly why we’re screwed
RE bubble and house prices. Thats it.
The right wing populism started in India with Modi coming to power in India in 2014.
Modi will be PM till 2029 , he just won mandate this year for 3rd term.
He ain't right wing he is pro Hindu 😂 you don't know the difference clearly 😂
if you think modi is " right wing " then you have no idea you talking about ... Modi is dishing out govt handout to poor people to buy their vote while claiming the "other side " does it worse .. its especially painful( I voted for him ) to me as he came out against govt handouts initially but ig he just couldn't pass the lure to buy millions of vote through cheap tactics including govt handouts and increasing govt quotas for his preferred electoral groups .
It didnt start in india, it was around long before Modi
She's saying nothing, jesus.
I really appreciate your efforts! A bit off-topic, but I wanted to ask: I have a SafePal wallet with USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). What's the best way to send them to Binance?
You are well out of it aren't you?
I listened to the first ten minutes and you gave her plenty of time to lay out why her views of what everybody listening to this podcast already knows about the development of boomers to Gen X to Y, etc. and most importantly, what is her original insight, at least the germ of it. Not there. Just a convoluted rehash which she is obviously using as a set up for some other argument using some supposedly unnoticed subtlety of interpretation of these we’ll know facts. I am taking the time to write this because I’ve heard some good things on your show, but you are generally pitching things at too general of an audience. Most people listening to your show already have heard these arguments or ones that are similar enough to be hairsplittingly different, at least in their set up. I just don’t have the time, inclination, or will to sit through something that is, first of all boring, and more importantly, undermines my will to sit through something whose dubiousness factor is rising by the word. Perhaps it’s my loss. But it’s your show.
Miserable music bridge (the previous one was perfect) but an interesting guest.
I don’t think The NY Times and Ezra Klein appreciate how many people tune them out by referring to Trump (or Bolsonaro, Orban, et al.) as “far right” instead of just the Right.
“Transgressive?” Who are clutching their pearls now?
Klein show is better than most because of intellectual quality. Now it is time for EK to falsify the arguments that he avoids (NOT Progressive or Left)
Example: Gay marriage is a subset of Marriage. Why not ask about the function of marriage, present state - and how the anti-patriarchy view does not own the negative results for society?
Beyond anti-immigrant, why don’t you go to the countries of origin and attempt to affix to them the same framework and expectations you hold for USA/Europe?
It is this “keep the adversary under scrutiny, so we don’t tease out our own sins” that remains as the flaw of your disposition.
"Trump, distinctive, unique, magnetism" please! like flies to sht... stop this nonsense..
🤣Still got TDS? Guess its terminal....
Gravitas my friend.
The fact that you call all of these movements "Far right" has made both the term "Far right" meaningless and made old media like the NYT increasingly irrelevant and distrusted. Your framing of stories reeks of a level of arrogance and how far left you think! 10 years ago I voted green and my views have nearly changed, that's how far the old media has gone left!
It's not the far right thriving. I do understand that's a term u use to make conservatives scary.
No, not far right.
We need the far-right. I'm so glad that these rising far-right movements are growing.
Why? Any extreme is bad...
Go seek a therapist, please
@catholicpog7183 You act like we don't have history to look at? Or common sense. We not talking about "different ideas". These are policies that are effectively removing all opposition to a party, so there is no other thought or opinions. If you aren't on board with that, you are gone. You act like Hitler might have been onto something... Not sure how slavery is extreme and airplanes don't affect anything other than make life easier. There is a difference between an invention or crazy idea and forcing everyone to bend to your will. Or convincing others how bad another group of people are.
@@catholicpog7183well if you actually believe what you say, no movement is over. Things evolve by pendulum swings, and finally balance out for a while. Then it begins again.
@@catholicpog7183Ok, but eugenics was also an extreme idea, and it wound up being anything but good...
Why is this one of the good extremes, and not one of the bad ones?
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Pathetic.
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what a load of shit. She teaches at Harvard? imagine paying half of million dollars listening to this BS for 4 years.
By all means describe what point she's wrong on I'm all ears buddy
Fascists don't like the educated population
@@calebfreidenfelt1671there are particular narratives in history that are distorted. For instance her speaking about the women's rights movement in the second or third wave where she makes the false accusation of unequal pay between men and women. That lost me right from the beginning of this institutional babble.
@@calebfreidenfelt1671I have about 20 reasons why the pay gap is a myth. Women and academics could acknowledge the wrong and we could move on, but the left keeps pushing.
I come from the left as recently as last year. So if this is far right, is not that far from far left.
These human tendencies of thinking can be faulty when you don't consider that we're are a new coalition, so we are defining these values incrementally right? What the far right means, and that definition is always being manifested. So what you're saying needs to have context through story telling and then we can relate to these ideas.
Well, we're writing our own now. We're the media now. So can keep on talking, talking, talking, and the elitists are sucked into their own black hole. Getting smaller, and smaller
What populists who take power don't seem to understand... now you're the elite and what was worse will now become destructive and awful. you'd get rid of the vaccine so you and your children can enjoy polio. this is a metaphor for everything that will follow. we've seen this movie before.
It is interesting that the anti-establishment faction of politics basically controls the media narrative, these days. The amount of media dominance (and how well they can frame media narratives) that MAGA has is insane!
The terms left and right are becoming meaningless like many other terms
The core problem with anti-institutional movements, like this, is that they have no plan for "the day after". There is no plan for what should replace our elites and institutions, once they've been torn down. There's just an assumption that "anything must be better than what we have now". And that is ABSOLUTELY not true!
Well, that's one problem. Another problem is that anti-establishment movements are easily co-opted by leaders who only want to use you for their own ends. Leaders like Donald.
The right is the moral center.
The academic discussion seems to skirt around the more uncomfortable (to liberals) issues that galvanized so many outraged conservative American voters -- crushing inflation under Biden's watch, absurd mandates under Biden's watch, immigrant funding and crime, men invading women's private spaces, federal abortion funding, endless wars, two-tier justice, and government over-reach such as ATF, EPA, USDA. As long as these issues are unspeakable (to liberals), there will never be anything near the common ground that Pippa is vocally advocating for. There's also an ongoing underestimation of emotion behind conservative voters worldwide. They have had enough. Can you not see this anti-establishment emotion in the large demonstrations in European countries such as the UK and Netherlands?
Inflation was primarily a consequence of either corporate consolidation or equally Trump's fault for his covid response, trans issues are so marginal as to be a joke, Republicans don't want to solve immigration by going after the business owners. Etc etc etc
These issues are a joke, the GOP has no real concern for immigration and that's why it scuppered Bidens's bill
As long as the GOP and it's voters are unserious about solving any of the problems they list, unless it's their way and done by them, then there is no point in talking to them
Enjoy losing your social security folks. You earned it
It’s nothing but emotion. Irrational fear of margined groups in order to ignore the raw corruption and corporate power the Right has done nothing to stop. Enjoying Elon Musk making all the decisions now?
How to say you are a far left without saying you are far left. .. call conservatives "far right". Stop talking about conservatives in language that implies that conservative is a "problem".
400 billion dollars end of the American people
This is another tiny hat demon
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