Scooter Vs Motorcycle in NYC on Moto Guzzi V7|My experience Vespa and Moto Guzzi
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2017
- Choosing between getting a Scooter or a Motorcycle can be a tough decision. Her's my two cents. Be sure to like and subscribe if you want to see more and stay updated with the channel. G
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Thing about a motorcycle is you have to deal with clutch and gear changes every time you slow or stop. When you're slicing and dicing through traffic, you don't need that extra work. And should you go down on a motorcycle, a lot of hot parts will fall on you. (Don't ask me how I know this) Not a problem with a scooter. For this kind of city cut and thrust, a 150cc and up scooter is the right choice.
Dude this guy should play in a movie just for his voice.. Italian mobster. On point. Good vlog tho keep it up
Thanks! I always hate hearing my voice
@@MeatandMotorcycles I really like your voice. ☺️
I'm with you on that. I live in Central California and I ride a 150ie Vespa LX. I commute between two cities where the top speed on the roads is 60 mph. My Vespa does great. Great MPG, easy to park and YES, storage is great.
Thanks for the video. Much love from Central California.
Nice video. I commute with a 2007 Vespa 150LX and I wear a full face Shoei RF-1100 helmet. I could care less how stupid I look. I broken face or jaw is no joke. That's just me.
Nah you don't look stupid. Your safety is important.
Hats off to you and others that are making videos. The first of mine will be up in the next few days, and it has taken some serious work. Can't imagine what's involved to do it once a week, let alone more frequently.
Thanks. It's a lot of work but for me it's been a nice creative outlet away from the kitchen. Excited to see your first video. Don't over think it too much. Just put something out there and learn as you go what works for you. I watch my first few videos now and they're plain unwatchable. But its a good exercise in seeing were improvement was made. g
Meat and Motorcycles Never having made a video before, I'm playing a lot with Final Cut and especially Apple Motion. I'm interested in animated graphics, and it's amazing what Motion will do.
I'm pretty comfortable with the sound side, except that setting a loudness level for RUclips is new to me. It's now clear to me why most RUclipsrs don't know how to control their audio level on upload, and I think that I've figured it out.
Mostly, this is an experiment connected to videos that will be done on a different channel for a new restaurant. Fun though, and educational.
Rory on a Bike final cut is a great platform. I use Adobe premiere which is a little more complicated but I'm used to it now so why change. Haven't played much with Apple motion.
All of my sound work I do in editing and upload it to RUclips w/out changing anything in RUclips.
Play around with everything and see what works best for you . There are so many how to videos available that can help figure out the settings.
Meat and Motorcycles I'll be very Interested in your comments on my video. Apparently, RUclipsr protocol is that all criticism must be "constructive". Being over 15, I'm more interested in honest, and I'm particularly interested in knowing what doesn't work.
The video should be up by this weekend. Looking forward to comments from you and others :)
Great video and great chat! Thanks for posting!
Padre Rider thanks, Padre!
Mate loved this vid !!! Had a Guzzi LeMans MK 4, loved it but it hated the commute, but gees it had character by the bucket loads. I now ride a Vespa and use it to commute with my wife to the beach and shops and love it as well. But I am so eyeing off the V7 !! Stay safe. Cheers
Great video and logic! Ride what you love! I ride fully geared on my Piaggio BV350, but why not? It can do 90, so you need to protection. Ride on!
Exactly! got to have the right gear. Thanks for watching. g
Scooter does not necessarily mean something with small wheels like the Vespa. I have a large wheeled Sym 125 which is more stable than the smaller wheeled variants, ideal for commuting or popping into town. I also have a Moto Guzzi California 1400 that I use for touring and days out. Horses for courses, but whatever you ride adequate protection is the key and treat all other road users like idiots.
"Get what you wanna get.".. how true I love that! 👍
What are your thoughts on the Suzuki Burgman Executive 650 for touring and traveling?
Thanks for the video.... I'm trying to understand the difference in how two bikes (one scooter and one motorcycle) of equal displacement handle? Is it equal or is there a difference? If there is a difference, what is it? Thanks again, KB.
Sounds like a very logical assessment my man. I ride a 150cc Bajaj Legend. Its a scoot made in India, and I love it! Funny how people think all scoots are vespas.
I know right. J ride a Kymco People GTi 300, & people still say "IS THAT A VESPA "? SMDH.
Then they think all of them are made in China, and are 50cc.
Um the Bajaj is a Vespa .... the only difference is where it is built .
It's not a different machine at all. Park a PX 200 next to a 150cc Bajaj without the badges and tell me which is which.
Not really apples and oranges.
Just badges and geography .
So while living is rural Sicily, I rode a 150 cc Piaggio Liberty scooter (it was for months my sole transport, including during the winter rainy season) with 16" front/14" rear wheels (yes, believe it or not, not every scooter has tiny wheels) that got me 0.8km/0.5mi to my home up and down a steep grade dirt road every day, as well as generally in a country that has seriously steep roads everywhere, and across farmers' dirt field paths, even when rain-soaked.
Never got anything but admiring looks for the ATGATT Shoei full face helmet, Vendramini boots, Vanson jacket, etc. Which is good, because there's no difference, when it comes to personal damage/hurt, between an accident on a scooter and a motorcycle.
The noticeable phenomenon in Sicily is that young people into dirt bikes are wearing full gear, whereas the average high school kid riding a scooter or motorbike is not even wearing a helmet.
Rory on a Bike my first bike was an Aprilia Scarabeo 50cc two stroke so it was as fast as the 125's of today. I loved it and can only imagine had I been a teenager growing up in Italy. Went wen I was 19 and fell in love with the scooter.
My favorite part about going back to Italy is that the scooters don't look so small!
Also, Sicily is an amazing place. What were you doing over there?
Helmet in Italy is mandatory. That prescription seems followed by ITalians, but not in the south of Italy. Especially in Neaples where they love to re-invent road laws.
Erry Rollins the first time I went to italy in 97 they hadn't implemented the helmet law yet. And in Naples when they did there was a case of a kid getting shot because he tried to run through a helmet check point because he didn't have his helmet on. They did not take kindly to that
Yeah,they often uses this sort of excuse. Even if in their own area there's not a real harm. Well, is another world for those whom are not from the south.
I have the honda sh300i with 16 inch wheels and great brakes and ABS. I love the thing! The bikes i owned befor where a suzuki gsxr 750 and a cbr900rr fireblade. But after about 20 times almost crasching and dying or breaking alot of bones. I sold the racers and now im happy scooting!
bladerunner900 be safe and thanks for watching
Well I have a Suzuki Burgman 650, and a Honda Shadow 750. Usually I trade off which bike to use to go to work, but most of the time the scooter is the better option. The wheel base on maxi scooters isn't as small mid size (150, 250, 300) and lower...plus they can go highway speeds like crazy.
My tool of choice is a 2016 Kymco People GTi 300 about 8miles of highway to work each day as well as some City riding. The 16in Wheels handle potholes pretty good.
Great video, I just got rid of my big BMW and got the GTS300, but only ride it up and down the beach, the Beemer is a little over engineered for that. Absolutely love the Vespa, we go two up for breakfast and lunch rides on the weekends, you can't beat it, it's fast enough (80 mph?) if someone gets on your ass you can goose it and so easy to park, plenty of luggage space with the big case on the back. BUTT...I am jonesin' for something like the new Triumph Scrambler for longer rides, trying to resist the temptation. Would keep the Vespa, though, it's just too cool.
Steve Ross I loved all of my bikes, vespa and motos. The V7 was a lot of fun but I got a lemon and had to let it go. Now the Ducati is more fun than I thought it would be. Great for the city but the Vespa really was the best way to get around town. Good luck picking out bike number two!
Sounds like a lot of logical thinking man before spending dude. Very smart of you. The Guzzi really suits you and your style. :)
Thanks! It been a learning process commuting in NYC. The Guzzi definitely felt like the right fit. And if it fits my style,,, that means I have style! finally!
What motorcycle did u get? I'm thinking about Yamaha Xmax 300.
Have both scoot & motobike, riding in the city for 6 day week I found the Vespa a way more practical and better transport for commuting. Free parking and cheap to ride.So sold 🏍 and may be will get rid of the car as well.
100% just get what you want and if that want changes, then change bikes to suit.... No one should feel they are pigeon holed into a certain style of bike, they should just go with what suits! :-)
Hippo-Drones that's the truth! There's too many types of bikes out there not to try them all!
hi there, does your v7 over heat (on your legs) riding in the city? i'm trying to get one end of this year...thanks!! and i love your vlog!!
James Bae thanks for the sub! The bike does get warm around the legs if you get stuck in good Summer traffic but nothing you can't handle. Same as many other air cooled bikes. I've never over heated but you do have to check your oil every so often . The Guzzi holds a small amount of oil compared to other bikes. Only about 2.5 quarts.
Scooters for Life :) Your video quality is on point.
I got a larger 300cc scooter mainly because of better windprotection and enclosed drivetrain since i have to park it outside. Chains are so labor intensive if you park the bike outside year round.
I’m having this EXACT same logic right now. I bought a Vespa GTS 300 which is gorgeous and I live in a major city, but really look forward more to traveling outside of the city. Having some buyers remorse and very confused right now. Also haven’t heard anyone else bring up the “motorcycle gear” while riding a Vespa feeling before. I love my sport gear but really feel like it clashes with my scooter! So torn. Ugh!
I have a 500cc Yamaha Tmax scooter and a 250cc Honda Elite. I gear up for both, but for long rides across country, I take the Tmax if I want to do 100 mph.
bigwheelsturning the tmax is a beast! Love those things
Will have to keep it as the only MG dealer in Washington State is closing next Saturday, so "no Guzzi for me". No soup for me either. ;)
bigwheelsturning had I not lived in NYC and was far away from a dealer my experience would have been even worse
Video was fantastic and view also beautyful
The V7 is amazing for commuting bike from my experience
Yodastien I am very happy with my decision to upgrade to the V7. Light enough to maneuver but still feels nice and stable on the highway.
Love the video! I'm thinking about getting a scooter for commuting to a new job in Brooklyn. I've ridden a bicycle in the 5 boroughs for years. Wondering if a 50 cc engine will be enough to handle traffic on Flatbush Avenue, or if I'll need the giddyup from a 150cc? Anybody's thoughts are appreciated, especially if you live in NYC or have ridden here before.
Seán McCluskey I’ve had 50 150 and 300. Get a 150. Don’t think of the top speed of a 50 being enough. Sometimes you need a little extra to get out of a jam. Hands down 150 cc minimum. You’re going to luv it. And if you haven’t already, the motorcycle safety course is a MUST!
Meat and Motorcycles you're the man. Super helpful and really appreciate the quick reply. Will check out the 150 and the course!
Seán McCluskey enjoy and keep the shinny side up and the rubber side down.
Some people dont care about what other people think. At the end of the day you should buy whatever the hell you want. 👊
Erica Gonzalez exactly. I like both. I just wanted to go further so I got the moto. If I could have both I would for sure. Thanks for watching! G
Meat and Motorcycles Thanks for the reply, good vlog.. im a new subscriber. Stay safe!
Being from NY, you are better off with your motorcycle. The scooter is great in Europe, you can park them anywhere, ect. The Motorcycle at least can be used to get away upstate for the weekend whatever plus like you said the traffic respects you better. Would'nt want to ride to the other boroughs on a small scooter, or buy both!
@@DJPTEXAS You can do the same on a maxi scooter. They make maxi scooters that are 400cc, 600cc, 650cc, and 750. I have a Suzuki Burgman 650 and a Honda Shadow 750...the burgman can handle highway just as good as the Shadow.
Just get both 😎
What about a mini Moto like a grom or z135 or benelli Tnt 135 in extreme heavy bumper to bumper traffic vs a scooter?
I think it all comes down to size and how much you want to shift gears.
You mentioned that you've already had to have a lot of parts worked on. Which parts, and what was the issue with them?
Motorcycle Extremist the major one was when the bike was really new. The engine seized just after the break in period. They replaced the engine under warranty . The other big one was my final drive seal failing and moisture emulsified the oil. Here's a video with a little shot of it in the beginning ruclips.net/video/G2skNWZnloE/видео.html Other than that it's little things that needed tightening up. I still love the bike. Thank god for the warranty. Thanks for watching, g
The thing is people think Scooter Slow ... Motor cycle Fast .
That is simply Not True anymore .
Scooters range from 49cc to 650cc's ! now .
There is a Scooter that will tour tbe Country no sweat .
But if all your doing is commuting then 250 or 300cc or even down to 150cc will get you around just fine .
I commuted for 15 years all summer on a pair of 200cc Vespas one with a sidecar .
I drove 60 miles each way without any issues what so ever.
Now I run both the Scooters and a 650 KLR because I did some touring and off road fun.
The Scooters were far less maintenance . Even with all the milage I was doing .
I have owned the 79 scooter since 2002 one set of brake shoes frt and rear .
The Sidecar Scooter running it since 2006 with will over 600 passengers and haven't had to replace the brakes on it even.
Both scooters are in the 30 40,ooo kms now .
A few cables over the years but easy work.
A carb kit every 5 years if that.
Even modern Scooters they just work .
No fuss just ride .
I think with all the choices in Scooters now there's no reason to think SLOW anymore .
Just think reliable daily riding .
Of course if your in a Big City an Alarm and good security should be considered Bike or Scooter.
GPS tracking devices even.
They are just so practical it's right on so many levels.
Scooters are not the nerd machine of 50 years ago . They are smart people movers .
Fuel milage .. Hardly anything can touch a Scooter any size for milage .
Honda Forza 750cc ;)
Shure about motorcycle for highway and that a 300-750 cc scooter is not possible ? ;)
Honda Silverwing or Burgman would suit as well.
In a major congested city like New York, it's hard to understand why anyone would ride anything but a scooter. The only reason that I own a motorbike is that I mostly don't ride in the city, and I've added storage to the bike for when I do. Hey, I have to put my impulsive Manhattan wine buy somewhere.
All of this is going to be irrelevant in five years, when we all start riding electric bikes. If Zero made a bike today that wasn't fundamentally a dirt bike, I'd probably own it.
Rory on a Bike a cargo net and or back pack has solved the beer/wine run issue. Make you really plan out what you need or don't need before you go.
+Rory on a Bike the zero bikes are very cool but don't really interest me at all. Visually does nothing for me.
Meat and Motorcycles Zero is about instant torque, and so they have emphasised dirt bikes. Like you, I don't find the aesthetics attractive. But this will change, my bet is within two or three years.
Electric is happening. Interesting question about what Piaggio is going to do about it. They are clearly focused on it, witness their electric bicycles. The bikes are a beginning, not an end.
Correct!
I was commuting to work and home so I bought a 50cc mini chopper and a couple of years later my grandpa gave me my first big street bike which I still have today my 1972 Harley Davidson 900 sportster chopper springer front end and after riding my brothers Suzuki gsxr750 I had to get a sports bike like it a friend owed me some money he knew I was looking for a bike like my brothers and he had one and he didn't know when he would be able to come up with the money so we got to talking and that is how I got my Suzuki gsx600f
Garyntara7788 Burbank both great bikes! I’m originally from California where Harley’s are king. Here I NYC though I would love to ride on a sports bike. Stay safe out there! G
What other advice would you give to someone thinking about getting a Vespa? I currently ride a bike all over manhattan (and live here) but am thinking about getting a Vespa
Abbey Zucker it’s the best way to get around the city! I’ve had two vespas in NYC and loved them both.
My advice is :
If you don’t have a motorcycle license then you’ll need one. Take the MSF safety class which is part classroom/ part learning on a real motorcycle. They make it very easy and the class has saved my life a couple of times. Plus, once you pass the class then just take the certificate to the DMV and get your license . All you have to do at the dmv is the written. No driving test.
Next would be to get good gear. Some of the fashion helmets are nice but aren’t safe. Good helmet and gloves are my minimum.
New or used is up to you. Used from a dealer is better as at least they look it over before selling it. New vespas have a pretty good warranty if something should go wrong on the first couple of years.
Hope I answered your questions. See you out there! G
Meat and Motorcycles you did! Thank you so much for the advice! I appreciate it!
Abbey Zucker any time! Just remember, the ground and cars are just as hard on a vespa as they are in a big motorcycle. If you’re riding a bike in Manhattan then you should already have a good idea about the flow of things. Ubers are my biggest hazard.
Meat and Motorcycles oh yes I’ve had my fair experiences on the bike lol! But yes I’ll keep that in mind! Do you have any advice on parking?
Abbey Zucker parking - stay away from midtown. Residential is easy. Just don’t park behind vans. They’ll knock you over every time. You can get a plate puller to take your plate off in places where you shouldn’t be parked and it works most of the time , but eventually they will tow you. Get a good cover for the winter months and be prepared to find it knocked over. Just get good insurance and eventually let them pay to fix it up before your sell it for something bigger. My vespas would get knocked over about once every couple of months.
What about a big touring scooter? I'm preparing to buy a Piaggio MP3 500
Theitsybitsyspider great scooter
@@MeatandMotorcycles Good to know! I'm getting a great deal on a 2016 one with 600 miles and warranty hasn't even started ticking yet. Dealership bought it in Gainesville, FL, and has been unable to sell it for 3 years because everyone wants a 50cc scooter for $500 instead of a 500cc for ~$5000.
Theitsybitsyspider love it when those finds reveal themselves. Enjoy and ride safe
Nice look at NY.
A scooter is a type of motorcycle. Saying a scooter is different from a motorcycle is like saying a sedan is different from a car.
Looking to get the Piaggio MP3 500 and plan on riding it deep into winter, may be wishful thinking but sick of the bus and subway. should be 30 min door to door from Westchester. Thanks for the vid good stuff. I'll be armored up on my scoot scoot. Im too old to care anymore.
nktwrk73 MP3 is a great scooter and the 500 gives you all the power you need. Shame that it didn’t take off like Piaggio had hoped. Great bike for NYC potholes and the rough sections of highway you come across. I hit a hole at speed once and both of my mirrors went limp, the steering forks came loose, and the steering lock wouldn’t engage. (Good gear is a must!)
Keep me posted on your purchase. G
Wow that was a bad pot hole, glad you made it out safely! Well i'm on the rode now so please steer clear of me at all costs lol. Westchester commute is 45 min door to door, tad longer getting home but early morning is a breeze. Crosscounty to 87 to 95 to Henry Hud..toll free. How deep into winter do you ride?
@@nktwrk73 I am planning on doing this same commute, from Chappaqua to Flatiron, and am debating scooter vs motorcyle, the latter just for the highways before getting to the city. Is the scooter fine on them? I was thinking of a Vespa GTS Super
Hi John. I was commuting from the Putnam Valley area to the city with my Piaggio MP3 500 until I killed my bike. Forgot to put the oil plug back...don't ask. I upgraded to a Motorcycle and it was a great upgrade. The only issue I had with the MP3 500 is the seat was very uncomfortable! If you are comfortable on the GTS you will be fine. Not sure what you are considering, speed, economy, comfort etc. For me it was 500/month long term Train or 200/month short term +maint...I took short term. My motorcycle has heated grips and I have all the gear for deep winter incursions. I had a woman pass me on one of those GTS's and she had on a blouse and jeans, total bad a**ery….also if you have to mill around in the city, no shifting is the way to go.
@@nktwrk73 Wow you were doing a long one! What's the $200/m for? Where did you park it? I was going to ASP mine on off cleaning days. I just love riding outside vs train commuting, but really do worry about taking a GTS on the FDR and 87! Once in the city street, the scooter would seem to win hands down.
I find corners difficult on scooters always go out too wide
Funny story - this was one of the first videos I watched on RUclips when I started getting interested in two-wheeled vehicles. As you now know, I went the motorcycle route hehe, partly due to your influence. So... cheers!
Moto Royali that’s great! What did you get?
Moto Royali wait! You got the Enfield! Very cool bike. Checking out your channel now.
Meat and Motorcycles Hehe thanks man! I have just a few videos so far but hopefully many more to come.
Saying that people ride a scooter wearing full face helmet and protective gears and you say it looks stupid? This is when you wrong man. It is for maximum protection for the scooter rider. Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia (and other countries too) are doing this for a very long time and it is a norm. No offence but you gotta change your mindset. I don't care what are the pedestrians or car driver look weird at us but we the one that ride the scooter, not them.
Radhwan totally correct man... I have a high powered scooter, can reach over 70 mph and I wear full gear
@@darness1234 just took the mfs to get a Vespa. Re atgat. I fully see value of proper mc boots for a mc since falls likely mean the bike on your feet/legs. For Vespa/scooter are mc boots needed? Have full face helmet, mc gloves planning to get mc jacket.
@@christianmatts_bk I hope you got the mc boots! I wear them while riding my Vespa. Especially after I heard injuries to that area are the most common. Tibia, fibula, ankle, or feet could snap easily.
It's not just about looking cool mate.
Safety matters.
Beverly 400 is good for both.
Why not have both?
Dar Tice exactly!
Dar Tice cons of being poor my man lol
Christian Slater?
Ha! I haven't gotten that one for a long time.
Love Scooter at the beginning but would not give up my Motorcycle for anyone :-)
I'm 26 years old, say I get a 150cc scooter, how much do you think insurance would cost in nyc?
wenzo lin when I had a 150cc vespa insurance was around 50 bucks a month through geico. I’ve had better NYC deals on insurance through State Farm . Only thing with them is you can’t get quotes online . You have to call. But it was worth it. Good luck
@@MeatandMotorcycles oo not bad, Google was telling me like over 1500 in nyc... Nuts!
wenzo lin no way. My ducati with StateFarm is around 40 per month. Gieco and progressive quoted 280 per month.
I was thinking about 300cc scooter vs 300cc motorcycle. I'm leaning toward scooter because the storage is more practical
at that size, a scooter is basically just an automatic motorcycle with a different shape. While I believe manual cars make for a more anticipative driver, I can see it going the other way with bikes. More attention to the road situations rather than operating the machine. Ultimately depends on the rider though I guess..
@@jseden so your final answer is....
Was also thinking about this … motorcycle looks better and is cheaper per cc. But scooter is also usable for daily use because of transport space. Better seat for Sozia. More technical futures, easy to fix (no chain, good accessable drive unit), scooter also has better weather protection and Komfort. No manual gear means more relaxed fun on driveing but also less sport driveing.
There are a lot of riders that wear motocross gear on small scooters very cool. My motorcycle instructor didnt really like scooters he was very biased when it came to which one to ride. The western society is just brainwashed. But in eastern countries like India and Asia its normal. I wear the full gear all the time on my scooter I feel safer and thats what matters not society's opinion. Good insight there love it.
lol this was cool.
but vs bicycle?
Ken Okrend I’ll take the subway over a bicycle. Even as a kid I wasn’t as into my bicycle as the other kids.
Scooter is a motocycle, it's just a slower one, without a gearbox!
I like scooter cheap small ease.
My opinion, get a scooter over 125cc with bigger wheels like allot of the newer bikes
If all your driving is in urban area a automatic is better.
You're American. Italians live in Europe.
I am an Italian citizen. #Technicality.
Thanks for clarifying though. Stay safe.
Yeah din't back up cause I'm not making myself visible ????
If you can't see them they can't see you that's how it works .
Make sure you can see the driver in their mirrors.
Get a SUPERMOTO!!!! hahaha
Not a bad idea!
Both lol
Wearing gear on a scooter isn't stupid it's called protecting your body. Going 30MPH even on a 50cc can get you severe road rash and injuries just as a motorcycle. So you just got a dislike.
Carl Peeples maybe watch again. I wear full grear when I ride and now can believe that I risked it all those years on the scooter. What I was referring to was that it can look strange to others if you’re geared up on a scooter and most ride without proper gear for that reason. Thanks for the comment though. Safe riding
I've always gone ATGATT ever since my first 50cc when I was 16. The thing that I noticed most is how much more lenient cops were whenever I had to go on the roadside dyno. I've seen kids get torn a new one for their 50cc being able to go 50kph, rather than the 45 they're allowed. Now with EU laws giving a much larger margin, I modified my 50cc to go 54kph. Exactly 1kph within the margin set by Brussel.
I get warned to mind my speed quite often, but so far have never gotten a ticket. Friends of mine who don't take their safety as seriously get tickets for things like that. I guess if a cop sees you wearing proper gear, they assume that you are more cautious because you have put in the effort of suiting up.
I always tell the cops that I wear all that gear in case someone else messes up in such a way that no matter what I do I can't correct their mess.
Funfact you also can ride on a bicycle faster. More safety is always better but in some cases I understand why people not wearing it always
Because you are Italian lmao…. Ok werid
Scooter does not necessarily mean something with small wheels like the Vespa. I have a large wheeled Sym 125 which is more stable than the smaller wheeled variants, ideal for commuting or popping into town. I also have a Moto Guzzi California 1400 that I use for touring and days out. Horses for courses, but whatever you ride adequate protection is the key and treat all other road users like idiots.