Man, I was dreading ha ing to farm for my perfect roll, but the game literally dropped it in my lap as a shiny BEFORE I finished the bounty for it; Corkscrew Rifling, Flared Magwell, Rapid Hit, Headseeker, Range Masterwork
Hey! Have you ever considered doing something like "This expansion's content in review"? Like, "This year's Dungeons in review" or "This year's Raids in review". If the idea is popular, it could maybe even expand to something like Seasons in Review or Trials in Review. I'd like to see your take on different pieces of content overall. The ways they changed over time, how well each piece performed its function, whether you felt that the changes were positive or a setback, etc. Just an idea.
I've been going nuts watching everyone else review this gun and approaching recoil direction as if the old system was still in place. Some even mention the deterministic recoil system and *still* rate the barrel perks based purely on the quantity of recoil direction stat they add, without actually testing the patterns. Even though it's been understood for quite a while now that the effect of the recoil stat varies wildly from weapon to weapon with deterministic recoil. You can't just slap on Arrowhead and get The Number as big as you can and assume it's actually improving the weapon anymore. Quite the contrary - that 95 recoil direction might well be WORSE than a base 65, depending on the gun! I knew I could count on CoolGuy to actually do this testing properly, and he did *not* disappoint. I for one am sticking with my base 65 recoil for Blast Furnace and enjoying the opportunity to juice up my other stats instead.
I really dislike the new system. There’s a number of guns where I cannot get the recoil to a pattern I like or want to use. I don’t feel it makes me get better with the guns, it just makes me not want to use certain guns at all as I’ve got alternatives without deterministic recoil.
The way I see it, as much as I don't like the change it's a balancing slider now. Instead of giving a rapid fire weapon a low recoil that ends in a weird number like 47 so it always has some left or right sway they've now made it so if a weapon is out of band for one way or another they can tweak the deterministic recoil without even having to change the stats. Whether you like it or not when guns like summoner come out with its... "anti bloom" that makes it a laser with sustained fire just built in, if it becomes too powerful they have a balance option that doesn't make it feel significantly worse but brings it more in line. Bungie doesn't have a good track record balancing in pvp considering certain exotics have gotten little changes and remained either best in slot for the perk alone (no need for build crafting but builds can make it stronger) or had way too much ease of use with no ttk tradeoff and that goes for armor and weapons but they're bringing skill back to crucible right? We'll just have to wait and see how this recoil thing goes
@@Anonymys43 I have a shiny Blast Furnace with both frenzy and firefly with kinetic tremors and I definitely think both have their purposes. I run frenzy in endgame activities like nightfalls and dungeons and firefly for lower tier activities. Both are amazing in their own ways.
Thank you for being one of the few creators to really get deep with the recoil. Ever since Deterministic Recoil I've been trying each weapon with different combinations doing the same thing (shooting at a wall) since they came out and I'm glad my conclusion wasn't wrong. 100 is the base recoil but tighter but in terms of direction, 65 is just as good and based on what barrels you have you could opt to slap on more range instead. Definitely doesn't require 100 (I'm so glad we're in this recoil meta lol). Got a Shiny with Kinetic T/Headseeker + Firefly/Desperate Measures. Sits at a 86 range and 86 stability with a Reload MW and Flared magwell making it perfectly fine when reloading with no help from anything else. But more importantly I've been rocking this in both PvE and PvP and it's been fun in both. KT + Firefly or DM for PvE (DM increases KT damage too) and Headseeker +....well honestly either roll but I've liked DM. It may just be 10% off a kill but thats still enough to add a little bit of forgiveness.
I did the exact same thing after completing the quest. Sat in a private match shooting a wall and wondering to myself how this system is supposed to be an improvement over the classic recoil direction system. At least before it made sense lol.
Coolguy. My unsung D2 hero. No nonsense intros, concise but in depth to the point evidence based reviews. There are no frills in your videos, and you’re well spoken. I don’t even watch most other guys anymore. You’re the man.
Shoot to loot, firefly is great on arc with Chromatic fire. Kill an ad, get a collateral and it counts as an ability kill so you get amplified and it created ionic traces because the of the blinding, all without using an arc weapon or ability. Throw in spark of amplitude and collect orbs at the same time.
@@db1872 Vesper is probably better and more flexible, I've just been looking for a reason to use chromatic and arc seems to be the way to go cause blind is very strong. Imagine finding an exotic class item with both the chromatic and vesper perks on it
Oh, I've been looking forward to this. Thank you. The head seeker kill clip roll is still eluding me, but I did get a kinetic tremor firefly for PVE. It is a beast.
You know the game is rigged, when I a PVE player got that on a shiny -a truly 5/5 roll- (which a deleted coz I have no use for it in PVE) and Im guessing you are getting the PVE god rolls. I don't know, sometimes I feel the game keeps giving PVP god rolls and no PVE ones because the game rigged (so they keep me in the loop for the chase you know)
Snagged a roll with arrowhead break, steady rounds, zen moment, rapid hit, and a stability master work. The moment it hits something it’s effectively lead laser, almost feels like I’m cheating.
yeah i want a rapid hit zen roll with some good base stability, i feel like you dont need headseeker and you have to hit all crits anyway for optimal against T10 resil
I hunt for Steady Rounds on this gun. It has so much range that I can spare a meter or two and turn it into a laser--particularly if that roll doesn't have Zen Moment or Rapid Hit.
@@LightCrib2 it matters. Sometimes it means the difference between killing someone and dying. Pve players do the same thing with damage. All hunting hard launch with implosions on mountaintop when you could just get spikes and do literally 0.003% less damage
@@LightCrib2 pve is worse imo. Once the most effective way to do a pve activity is solved, it becomes boring and repetitive and you feel like you have speedrun or low man or flawless the activity just to make it interesting. Once you get the loot from a pve activity it becomes obsolete and pointless to play bc it’s boring asf
I’m still in disbelief I managed to get a shiny that had zen moment/keep away and kill clip/frenzy Great review! So glad that the best looking Pulse is back with stats to matcg
I got one with Headseeker/ Kinetic Tremors and Rapid Hit/ Frenzy. As someone who generally prefers dueling perks over damage perks, it's basically the only Blast Furnace I'll ever need, for PVP or PVE.
Really appreciate this examination of recoil direction in-depth, these deterministic patterns are really making every weapon a different beast to assess. Good thing in some ways, kind of frustrating in others - like, 75rd on this is infuriating - IT SHOULD BE 65 but a smidge better, wth! Thanks for setting the record straight here.
Coolguy always taking that extra step properly testing and showing us the difference, those recoil patterns are wildly different feeling while I like deterministic recoil sometimes for weapons like pulses it becomes more of a pain point and hurting the guns performance when before I’d be helping is weird to get used to still
thank you for acknowleding the headseeker kill clip roll being an obviously great combination. I see a lot of content creators trying to 'sell' others.
Yeah like everybody else stated below: Your recoil testing was eye opening! Man, I was really hoping counterbalance would help, but in fact it makes it worse. So THX for that. My feeling was allready that the recoil was bad, but I thought it was a bad roll that I had and not the "standart" recoil pattern that makes it so bad. 80 recoil on the gun is really rubish.
I can't stress enough why I think you do the best reviews you put in the work to find out the why some people would just say base recoil direction feels the best you show why it feels like that and structure your videos in a way that makes it easy to retain the information you're trying to convey TV comes close but I think you got him beat late or not I'm always looking for your input
I managed to get a shiny, arrowhead, steady rounds, head seeker, rapid hit, and a range masterwork, I like the ae bonus from steady quite a bit and the master kind of makes up for the range loss, i LOVE it, doesn’t move in fights it’s amazing.
I've been waiting for your video on Blast Furnace specifically to see your take on the recoil direction. I spent some time in a private match myself when the weapon dropped and was thinking surely it can't be right that literally anything other than base 65 and 100 was markedly worse but here we are. I honestly thought maybe mine was bugged lol.
This is one of thr only archetypes where I go max stability if possible. But also keep in mind enhanced zen moment gives plus 5 stability so some of these perks will get even better. I think my headseeker kill clip roll is my favorite but the best feeling roll I have is headseeker frenzy with 99 stability which will turn into 100 stability when enhanced. Max stability makes the bursts you fire much more together and it makes for easier kills. I've tried to go more range route but I didn't feel much of a difference to kill wise but i can tell going more into range hurts the control of the gun and makes you have to put more work into all headshots
I've been testing out a few different rolls. Zen/kc, hs/rapid and Zen/rapid. I forgot which one I was using, at times I thought I had on a damage perk. To my surprise I had already put on 100 kills with the Zen/rapid within a few games. Really impressed with the gun overall.
I love my dad rifles lmaoo. Interested to try it out. I’m not sure it would stack up against all my others, but Id love to be pleasantly surprised! I REALLY appreciate the recoil insights, as with these guns the FEEL is a lot more important than perfect rolls. My Cold Denial and Psi Hermetic V are some of my top used guns.
That was the first roll that dropped for me and this may be just my imagination, but I feel like it competes with an LMG unless I can hit a weakpoint - like a Brig before its face falls off for example. Such a nice perk combination. KT alone already brings a lot of damage but Frenzy on top of that makes any weapon feel nice, along with adding a wee bit of extra damage.
Also Ill throw up Desperate Measures as it too will increase the KT damage and KT shockwaves will refresh DM. Some people still think you need to get a kill with the weapon first before stacking the other buffs. What the perk does is gives x1 stack with weapon kills and refreshes the buff (at any stack) on weapon kills. It will grant you x2 DM when you get a melee (powered or unpowered) or grenade kill. A 2nd kill with a melee or grenade will grant x3. What that means is you can start an encounter by throwing your melee or grenade into 2+ enemies and that will give you x3. If you've got lingering grenades for example, if you only kill 1 enemy, the 2nd enemy that walks into that and dies will give you that x3. So you only realistically need 2 kills to get x3 as long as it's with your grenade or melee (powered or unpowered). Then you just keep that buff as long as you get kills with the Blast Furnace itself or with KT.
Got a zen moment firefly with 86 range roll and MY GOD it feels good, 15 kills with it the first match of crucible I went in with it, likely because I had a huge stability as well.
I’ll have to give my Blast Furnace another chance, I was still hunting for something else, since I have that fluted, accurized, perpetual, kill clip, stabile masterwork roll. 😅
For me, Headseeker + Kill Clip in PvP. I have KinTrem + Rampage for PvE but it's not popping off even with anti-barrier pulse. With 8.0.5 when we can focus Brave weapons with Zavala, I'm going for KinTrem + OneForAll
I attuned this weapon and did 1 run of onslaught and got a shiny with fluted, accurized, kinetic tremors or headseeker and one for all or desperate measures with a handling masterwork. I got super lucky. Some of these weapons are so easy to get a shiny one then others are nearly impossible.
My favorite pve roll on this weapon so far is arrow head, accurrized rounds, ktremors, firefly, with reload masterwork got that one and it's probably my go too pve pulse right now and with the tfs giving pulses a chunky 38% dmg bonus this very well could be a top contender for pve kprimary Mark my words tho when fatebringer (timelost) becomes enhancable at some point with a brand new origin trait ot will be king of pve handcannons
Bungie didn't like giving us the Recoil stat because it meant we kept using the same barrels for everything, so they made it pointless by introducing "deterministic recoil" in order to force players to test recoil patterns again and find the specific recoil stat that each individual weapon performs best with. I hate it.
I love it. There's no 1 right answer of the "If it doesnt have arrow head then trash it" kind of mentality we had before it. More options are always better imo,
@@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4 Dude, people were throwing Arrowhead on weapons that had 100 base recoil. The playerbase doesn't know what's good or not if someone else doesn't tell them what to use. What I hate about the new system is that it makes the Recoil stat completely meaningless at best, and outright lying at worst. That little wedge that moves around/shrinks when you change the Recoil stat has no purpose anymore.
It gives more customisable options "dont like the recoil? Change the stat and see what happens according to your need" it's also a skill like csgo to memorize recoil patterns
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Pulses really do need a little damage buff in PVE. was running Veles-X on my Gyrfalcon Hunter because it took forever for Collective Obligation to drop. It felt like I was struggling to do any sort of work in any sort of content with Veles, (especially GM’s), but as soon as I got Collective I was finally living free, even without using the exotic trait. That 15% extra damage to red bars makes all the difference
Because Deterministic Recoil gives a predictable recoil pattern to every weapon. As shown in this video, the first burst goes diagonally to the left then the following shots will start to recenter itself. What recoil direction does now is literally that, dictates the direction. If you look at the cone of the recoil that give you a good indication. As you change that recoil you'll see the cone move to the left or right, making the recoil pattern deviate more in that direction. The Blast Furnaces 65 recoil direction of the cone is still symmetrically upwards in direction so at 100 it's the same but tighter. Add anything that affects that recoil and now it's going left or right which pulls that recoil to that direction. This is most important for weapons that have strong horizontal recoil like the Fang of Ir Yut. At base I believe it goes almost directly horizontal with no recoil directing mods so you NEED to bring that up with barrels or mods. In the case of Blast Furnace where the direction is already straight up, you either go 100 to tighten it up or you stick with base otherwise you start pulling it horizontally which you never want on a weapon.
So Tremors gets the bonus damage from OfA but not Kill Clip - anybody know if Frenzy works? (I'm assuming Desperate Measures and Rampage function the same as KC)
I hope this is foreshadowing for old and new Black Armory weapons and gear to return. Sure, the forges are gone, but there’s a number of ways the writers could bring them back to bring back the armory.
I despise that Zen moment and rapid hit aren't swapped in their columns. The perk roll I so desperately wanted was Headseeker + Zen (yes I know it's on other pulses but I don't have this roll on any except Syncopation, which can't 2 burst)
With the upcomming pulse rifle buff I'd say its worth it for pve both hung jury and blast furnace should have kinetic one fot all as these are the most used anti champion guns, and it would free up an exotic slot
I have 16 golds of blast furnace. Every double trait damage combinations like head seeker kill clip/desperate with good barrels and mag options for either 65 recoil or 100. But for the life of me I can’t get the most neesh role I want for a chromatic fire build which is head seeker firefly. Literally something so specific I can’t even get a terrible role of that.
I've got a KT + Firefly non-shiny that I've locked and have already used fairly often. The ability to have both a perk for yellow/orange bars AND a perk for red bars? Yeah. It's nice. Having BOTH of those options means it's a swiss army knife. Is it ever going to be the best?... no. No, of course not. BUT it's always going to be a GOOD option, no matter the content. And honestly, that's all I care about. It's the mortar holding together the bricks of a build, particularly if it's going to handle champions or the times when abilities aren't up.
What do you think of Firefly on this thing in 6v6 PvP? If you tag someone with the firefly explosion (80 dmg), I think that’s a 5h0b kill on T9 resil or lower for a 0.53s TTK on cleanup. This obviously doesn’t counter damage falloff, but I *think* it might be the quickest possible double kill with no team shot help. Haven’t landed a firefly roll though so I have no idea if it’s functionally viable though.
I know many don't care much for it but I've absolutely loved perks like Dragonfly, Hatchling, Kinetic Tremor, and Firefly. I've been using KT+FF Blast Furnace roll with a couple hundred crucible kills now and that Firefly or KT damage can really do some work and helps soften the next target. And before anyone says anything I know Kinetic Tremors isn't necessarily a PvP perk but you'd be surprised how often it can proc. It takes only 2 bursts to kill someone but with things like shields, heals, damage reduction (woven mail), some duels can last long enough for that 3rd burst based on how much cover or defensive options the other players has. So paired with Firefly for the reload speed and extra AoE, I've been absolutely loving it.
I have 4 BF's: KT/OfA, KT/FF, ZM/RH and HS/KC, haven't tried this thing in pvp yet but will do so soon. Now for pve I have been using this and honestly it puts in work even at waves 40-50, I'm not sure I agree about it not being great for pve though. It's a workhorse of a PR, and compared to other legendary pulses this thing has been treating me right. I never liked high impacts, lightweights or even adaptive frames but I do love me an aggressive or rapid fire frame when it comes to PR's so I'll admit I'm biased there.
got a keep away rapid hit roll that i really like but unfortunately it came with full bore and a reload mw. gonna grind this again after i've got my coup
I've been playing with it, it's good, but Elsie's is next level. First match I had with my Zen Moment/Head seeker roll I went 25-0. That weapon is built different lol.
I got headseeker kill clip Firefly kinetic trem Zen head seeker . And so many other good rolls and god rolls like I shred in iron banner and I’m looking forward to going to Osiris
KT + OfA in Onslaught is soooooo good, you destroy the Waves with the bumped up KT Damage. Hopefully i get this roll again as a shiny Roll. 95% i get Snapshot + Kill Clip......i dont want this roll anymore, but Bungie is tormenting me ^^
With every review, of a weapon that shows off the recoil pattern, deterministic recoil actually makes it MORE DIFFICULT to know what your gun is goin to do tied to the stats, and it’s one of the worst things they’ve ever done to guns, used to be the higher the better but now there is a big ol asterisk based on the weapon Legendary pulses in pve are pretty good tho, nit quite sure what you’re talking about there, like it’s the only primary i ever use, and they dont rlly struggle even in gm content, sure they could always do a lil bit more many gun archetypes feel that way, especially scouts
People sleep on Kinetic Tremors on pulse rifles in PvP. If you are like me and have mediocre aim, then you’ll likely have to land an additional burst on enemy players fairly often. It only takes one extra burst on any pulse rifle type except high impacts to activate KT. I view it like Malfeasance. The fastest TTK won’t activate the perk, but if you missed the ideal TTK, clean ups are very easy.
Thank you for watching! I plan to rank the brave weapons in a video, but anything else you interested in ?
As always, thank you!!!
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Man, I was dreading ha ing to farm for my perfect roll, but the game literally dropped it in my lap as a shiny BEFORE I finished the bounty for it; Corkscrew Rifling, Flared Magwell, Rapid Hit, Headseeker, Range Masterwork
Cool guy take it slow your vida important and your vida are worth the wait for, plus the details go above and beyond 🤞🏽
Hey! Have you ever considered doing something like "This expansion's content in review"? Like, "This year's Dungeons in review" or "This year's Raids in review". If the idea is popular, it could maybe even expand to something like Seasons in Review or Trials in Review.
I'd like to see your take on different pieces of content overall. The ways they changed over time, how well each piece performed its function, whether you felt that the changes were positive or a setback, etc.
Just an idea.
This deterministic recoil and recoil direction is so conflicting lmfao.
I've been going nuts watching everyone else review this gun and approaching recoil direction as if the old system was still in place. Some even mention the deterministic recoil system and *still* rate the barrel perks based purely on the quantity of recoil direction stat they add, without actually testing the patterns. Even though it's been understood for quite a while now that the effect of the recoil stat varies wildly from weapon to weapon with deterministic recoil. You can't just slap on Arrowhead and get The Number as big as you can and assume it's actually improving the weapon anymore. Quite the contrary - that 95 recoil direction might well be WORSE than a base 65, depending on the gun!
I knew I could count on CoolGuy to actually do this testing properly, and he did *not* disappoint. I for one am sticking with my base 65 recoil for Blast Furnace and enjoying the opportunity to juice up my other stats instead.
I really dislike the new system. There’s a number of guns where I cannot get the recoil to a pattern I like or want to use. I don’t feel it makes me get better with the guns, it just makes me not want to use certain guns at all as I’ve got alternatives without deterministic recoil.
It negates recoil direction outside of 100.
The way I see it, as much as I don't like the change it's a balancing slider now. Instead of giving a rapid fire weapon a low recoil that ends in a weird number like 47 so it always has some left or right sway they've now made it so if a weapon is out of band for one way or another they can tweak the deterministic recoil without even having to change the stats. Whether you like it or not when guns like summoner come out with its... "anti bloom" that makes it a laser with sustained fire just built in, if it becomes too powerful they have a balance option that doesn't make it feel significantly worse but brings it more in line. Bungie doesn't have a good track record balancing in pvp considering certain exotics have gotten little changes and remained either best in slot for the perk alone (no need for build crafting but builds can make it stronger) or had way too much ease of use with no ttk tradeoff and that goes for armor and weapons but they're bringing skill back to crucible right? We'll just have to wait and see how this recoil thing goes
Na
When a gun and its perk pool is so good that it doesn’t have an out right god roll , you know we have a special weapon on our hands.
Pve: kinetic tremors and frenzy
Pvp: headseeker and rapid hit
@@silvernova3476 for PVE I'd replace Frenzy with Firefly
@@Anonymys43 I have a shiny Blast Furnace with both frenzy and firefly with kinetic tremors and I definitely think both have their purposes. I run frenzy in endgame activities like nightfalls and dungeons and firefly for lower tier activities. Both are amazing in their own ways.
Thank you for being one of the few creators to really get deep with the recoil. Ever since Deterministic Recoil I've been trying each weapon with different combinations doing the same thing (shooting at a wall) since they came out and I'm glad my conclusion wasn't wrong.
100 is the base recoil but tighter but in terms of direction, 65 is just as good and based on what barrels you have you could opt to slap on more range instead. Definitely doesn't require 100 (I'm so glad we're in this recoil meta lol).
Got a Shiny with Kinetic T/Headseeker + Firefly/Desperate Measures. Sits at a 86 range and 86 stability with a Reload MW and Flared magwell making it perfectly fine when reloading with no help from anything else.
But more importantly I've been rocking this in both PvE and PvP and it's been fun in both. KT + Firefly or DM for PvE (DM increases KT damage too) and Headseeker +....well honestly either roll but I've liked DM. It may just be 10% off a kill but thats still enough to add a little bit of forgiveness.
I did the exact same thing after completing the quest. Sat in a private match shooting a wall and wondering to myself how this system is supposed to be an improvement over the classic recoil direction system. At least before it made sense lol.
Coolguy. My unsung D2 hero. No nonsense intros, concise but in depth to the point evidence based reviews. There are no frills in your videos, and you’re well spoken. I don’t even watch most other guys anymore. You’re the man.
As someone new to the game, I do enjoy these videos for this reason and hope the formula doesn't change.
Your recoil tests are top tier 2:35
Shoot to loot, firefly is great on arc with Chromatic fire. Kill an ad, get a collateral and it counts as an ability kill so you get amplified and it created ionic traces because the of the blinding, all without using an arc weapon or ability. Throw in spark of amplitude and collect orbs at the same time.
I wonder what this will be like on prismatic. Is chromatic worth it over something like vesper?
@@db1872vesper 💯
@@db1872 Vesper is probably better and more flexible, I've just been looking for a reason to use chromatic and arc seems to be the way to go cause blind is very strong. Imagine finding an exotic class item with both the chromatic and vesper perks on it
From what the Fragments indicated it will go off of whatever your equipped Super is. @@db1872
I've been hunting for this and my Heal Clip + INC Luna's
Oh, I've been looking forward to this. Thank you. The head seeker kill clip roll is still eluding me, but I did get a kinetic tremor firefly for PVE. It is a beast.
You know the game is rigged, when I a PVE player got that on a shiny -a truly 5/5 roll- (which a deleted coz I have no use for it in PVE) and Im guessing you are getting the PVE god rolls. I don't know, sometimes I feel the game keeps giving PVP god rolls and no PVE ones because the game rigged (so they keep me in the loop for the chase you know)
Finally the only review that counts!
Snagged a roll with arrowhead break, steady rounds, zen moment, rapid hit, and a stability master work. The moment it hits something it’s effectively lead laser, almost feels like I’m cheating.
yeah i want a rapid hit zen roll with some good base stability, i feel like you dont need headseeker and you have to hit all crits anyway for optimal against T10 resil
It's already very stable at base, I can only imagine how stable Zen and RH is, doesn't surprise me you feel like it's close to cheating.
totally pointless. you hit max stability and completely waste rapid hit
Would love to try that, lol sounds like a dream! Can't imagine how steady that is once those first shots connect
Funny I was going to post my ZM RH roll feels the most consistent so far.
This thing has so much base range that I’ve been liking steady rounds on it which I normally avoid like the plague
I hunt for Steady Rounds on this gun. It has so much range that I can spare a meter or two and turn it into a laser--particularly if that roll doesn't have Zen Moment or Rapid Hit.
pvp players when their range is an inch shorter than they'd like
@@LightCrib2 it matters. Sometimes it means the difference between killing someone and dying. Pve players do the same thing with damage. All hunting hard launch with implosions on mountaintop when you could just get spikes and do literally 0.003% less damage
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I know it matters, i'm just making fun of how uninteresting pvp is
@@LightCrib2 pve is worse imo. Once the most effective way to do a pve activity is solved, it becomes boring and repetitive and you feel like you have speedrun or low man or flawless the activity just to make it interesting. Once you get the loot from a pve activity it becomes obsolete and pointless to play bc it’s boring asf
I’m still in disbelief I managed to get a shiny that had zen moment/keep away and kill clip/frenzy
Great review! So glad that the best looking Pulse is back with stats to matcg
I actually got that same roll, but on elsies rifle, crazy
I got one with Headseeker/ Kinetic Tremors and Rapid Hit/ Frenzy. As someone who generally prefers dueling perks over damage perks, it's basically the only Blast Furnace I'll ever need, for PVP or PVE.
that's a jack of all trades kinda, good roll
Always love the recoil direction focus on these reviews!
Your reviews are by far the best, keep doing them man
Thank you for being the best weapon reviewer out there!
kinetic tremors & frenzy makes me happy.
I need that roll, been farming forever still til this day
Was waiting for this review, hope things are well with you and the family brother! Take care.
Really appreciate this examination of recoil direction in-depth, these deterministic patterns are really making every weapon a different beast to assess. Good thing in some ways, kind of frustrating in others - like, 75rd on this is infuriating - IT SHOULD BE 65 but a smidge better, wth! Thanks for setting the record straight here.
Coolguy always taking that extra step properly testing and showing us the difference, those recoil patterns are wildly different feeling while I like deterministic recoil sometimes for weapons like pulses it becomes more of a pain point and hurting the guns performance when before I’d be helping is weird to get used to still
thank you for acknowleding the headseeker kill clip roll being an obviously great combination. I see a lot of content creators trying to 'sell' others.
Yeah like everybody else stated below: Your recoil testing was eye opening! Man, I was really hoping counterbalance would help, but in fact it makes it worse. So THX for that. My feeling was allready that the recoil was bad, but I thought it was a bad roll that I had and not the "standart" recoil pattern that makes it so bad. 80 recoil on the gun is really rubish.
Really appreciate your “teach a man to fish” approach. Best weapon reviews in the game!
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I can't stress enough why I think you do the best reviews you put in the work to find out the why some people would just say base recoil direction feels the best you show why it feels like that and structure your videos in a way that makes it easy to retain the information you're trying to convey TV comes close but I think you got him beat late or not I'm always looking for your input
I have a shiny Zen/Keep Away + Kill Clip/Rapid Hit roll, and seeing this video makes me feel a lot better about it being my only shiny Blast Furnace
ur the goat for showing the recoil pattern at different stat amounts
Tremors/Firefly may not synergize but they’re awesome separately and makes the weapon extremely versatile. I love it. Glued to my hands.
same, it feels great being able to do both
Yep same. That roll just feels powerful and relevant
Agreed. Love this combo. Firefly clears adds and kinetic hits bosses.
Like aztecross said. You can proc kinetic tremors 2 times without reloading on blast furnace.
Can actually proc it 4 times with the right perks and mag mod
You’re weapon reviews are brilliant.
been looking forward to hearing what your opinion on the recoil is
Awesome review. (Also, thanks for going back to the old format)
this gun is amazing for pve btw. kinetic tremors + frenzy is NUTTY
I managed to get a shiny, arrowhead, steady rounds, head seeker, rapid hit, and a range masterwork, I like the ae bonus from steady quite a bit and the master kind of makes up for the range loss, i LOVE it, doesn’t move in fights it’s amazing.
Thanks, hope your feeling better
I've been waiting for your video on Blast Furnace specifically to see your take on the recoil direction.
I spent some time in a private match myself when the weapon dropped and was thinking surely it can't be right that literally anything other than base 65 and 100 was markedly worse but here we are. I honestly thought maybe mine was bugged lol.
Yes, snapshot/kill clip. Love it. reminded me of my OG blast furnace
Thanks for this, as always, great video!
Best gun reviewer ever. Keep it up man.
This is one of thr only archetypes where I go max stability if possible. But also keep in mind enhanced zen moment gives plus 5 stability so some of these perks will get even better. I think my headseeker kill clip roll is my favorite but the best feeling roll I have is headseeker frenzy with 99 stability which will turn into 100 stability when enhanced. Max stability makes the bursts you fire much more together and it makes for easier kills. I've tried to go more range route but I didn't feel much of a difference to kill wise but i can tell going more into range hurts the control of the gun and makes you have to put more work into all headshots
Thank you CoolGuy, love your vids!
Headseeker + Rapid Hit has been feeling fantastic to me, I can't wait for trials
Been hanging for this review
Great review, thank you
I've been testing out a few different rolls. Zen/kc, hs/rapid and Zen/rapid. I forgot which one I was using, at times I thought I had on a damage perk. To my surprise I had already put on 100 kills with the Zen/rapid within a few games. Really impressed with the gun overall.
kinetic tremors works pretty well with frenzy as well in a pinch, you get the damage and handling/reload to keep pumping out the damage.
Great info as always man thank u
My favourite pvp roll is a smallbore, steady rounds, headseeker, kill clip, stability mw roll. 84 range, 96 stability, 65 recoil direction. It’s a laser beam of death.
Pve I’m rocking a kinetic tremors frenzy roll.
I love my dad rifles lmaoo.
Interested to try it out. I’m not sure it would stack up against all my others, but Id love to be pleasantly surprised!
I REALLY appreciate the recoil insights, as with these guns the FEEL is a lot more important than perfect rolls.
My Cold Denial and Psi Hermetic V are some of my top used guns.
Kinetic tremors frenzy is something I 100% recommend. It was my second roll and it shreds legendary story mission enemies like nothing
That was the first roll that dropped for me and this may be just my imagination, but I feel like it competes with an LMG unless I can hit a weakpoint - like a Brig before its face falls off for example.
Such a nice perk combination.
KT alone already brings a lot of damage but Frenzy on top of that makes any weapon feel nice, along with adding a wee bit of extra damage.
Also Ill throw up Desperate Measures as it too will increase the KT damage and KT shockwaves will refresh DM.
Some people still think you need to get a kill with the weapon first before stacking the other buffs. What the perk does is gives x1 stack with weapon kills and refreshes the buff (at any stack) on weapon kills. It will grant you x2 DM when you get a melee (powered or unpowered) or grenade kill. A 2nd kill with a melee or grenade will grant x3.
What that means is you can start an encounter by throwing your melee or grenade into 2+ enemies and that will give you x3. If you've got lingering grenades for example, if you only kill 1 enemy, the 2nd enemy that walks into that and dies will give you that x3.
So you only realistically need 2 kills to get x3 as long as it's with your grenade or melee (powered or unpowered). Then you just keep that buff as long as you get kills with the Blast Furnace itself or with KT.
I hope they give the rest of the black armory weps this amount of love! Tata gaze and orchid….one day we will be reunited!
I was so happy to get this back its incredible
the pulse battle scar can roll with kinetic tremors as well
He knows. Watch the video.
85 recoil direction may be the goat since it pushes to right when deterministic pushes to left
Got a zen moment firefly with 86 range roll and MY GOD it feels good, 15 kills with it the first match of crucible I went in with it, likely because I had a huge stability as well.
I’ll have to give my Blast Furnace another chance, I was still hunting for something else, since I have that fluted, accurized, perpetual, kill clip, stabile masterwork roll. 😅
firefly and shoot to loot works well together. firefly will pick up ammo that is in the explosion
Fire fly is interesting to pair with chromatic fire on solar classes. You can get a solar ignition off with a melee or grenade sometimes.
For me, Headseeker + Kill Clip in PvP.
I have KinTrem + Rampage for PvE but it's not popping off even with anti-barrier pulse.
With 8.0.5 when we can focus Brave weapons with Zavala, I'm going for KinTrem + OneForAll
The difference in Kinetic Tremors damge and activation time with Hung Jury will be even more pronounced enhanced.
from my testing 65 recoil with 99 stability is identical almost to 100 recoil which is cool
I attuned this weapon and did 1 run of onslaught and got a shiny with fluted, accurized, kinetic tremors or headseeker and one for all or desperate measures with a handling masterwork. I got super lucky. Some of these weapons are so easy to get a shiny one then others are nearly impossible.
Kinetic tremors and firefly is a lot of fun. It's viable in pve and pvp. Love it with strand.
My favorite pve roll on this weapon so far is arrow head, accurrized rounds, ktremors, firefly, with reload masterwork got that one and it's probably my go too pve pulse right now and with the tfs giving pulses a chunky 38% dmg bonus this very well could be a top contender for pve kprimary
Mark my words tho when fatebringer (timelost) becomes enhancable at some point with a brand new origin trait ot will be king of pve handcannons
shoot to loot firefly is my pve roll, because firefly immediately picks up orbs it may create, so i can just vibe
Bungie didn't like giving us the Recoil stat because it meant we kept using the same barrels for everything, so they made it pointless by introducing "deterministic recoil" in order to force players to test recoil patterns again and find the specific recoil stat that each individual weapon performs best with.
I hate it.
Really? I like it lol
I love it. There's no 1 right answer of the "If it doesnt have arrow head then trash it" kind of mentality we had before it. More options are always better imo,
@@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4 Dude, people were throwing Arrowhead on weapons that had 100 base recoil. The playerbase doesn't know what's good or not if someone else doesn't tell them what to use.
What I hate about the new system is that it makes the Recoil stat completely meaningless at best, and outright lying at worst. That little wedge that moves around/shrinks when you change the Recoil stat has no purpose anymore.
It gives more customisable options "dont like the recoil? Change the stat and see what happens according to your need" it's also a skill like csgo to memorize recoil patterns
As beautiful as the day I lost it! More PvP oriented than I would've liked, but Headseeker and Rapid Hit is my chase so far! Glad it's back!
You’re the best, man.
I hope youre taking care of your health and mental health first and foremost brother. You and fallout and castle and TV are my favorite destiny content creators ever and even if it means less content, i want you guys to take care of yourselves first.
If you ever wanted someone to play with so you arent solo lmk
Pulses really do need a little damage buff in PVE. was running Veles-X on my Gyrfalcon Hunter because it took forever for Collective Obligation to drop. It felt like I was struggling to do any sort of work in any sort of content with Veles, (especially GM’s), but as soon as I got Collective I was finally living free, even without using the exotic trait. That 15% extra damage to red bars makes all the difference
I run snapshot/kill clip on the bxr and it’s an absolute monster. Might have to try it as well for blast furnace.
I don't understand deterministic recoil. The differences between >65 and
Because Deterministic Recoil gives a predictable recoil pattern to every weapon. As shown in this video, the first burst goes diagonally to the left then the following shots will start to recenter itself. What recoil direction does now is literally that, dictates the direction. If you look at the cone of the recoil that give you a good indication. As you change that recoil you'll see the cone move to the left or right, making the recoil pattern deviate more in that direction.
The Blast Furnaces 65 recoil direction of the cone is still symmetrically upwards in direction so at 100 it's the same but tighter. Add anything that affects that recoil and now it's going left or right which pulls that recoil to that direction.
This is most important for weapons that have strong horizontal recoil like the Fang of Ir Yut. At base I believe it goes almost directly horizontal with no recoil directing mods so you NEED to bring that up with barrels or mods.
In the case of Blast Furnace where the direction is already straight up, you either go 100 to tighten it up or you stick with base otherwise you start pulling it horizontally which you never want on a weapon.
Deperate Measures can be procced while the weapon is stowed too
RiP man. You will be missed
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I wonder if the buff to pulse rifles is going to impact the kinetic tremor damage…I hope it does. Just got the OFA/KT Blast Furnace.
So Tremors gets the bonus damage from OfA but not Kill Clip - anybody know if Frenzy works? (I'm assuming Desperate Measures and Rampage function the same as KC)
I hope this is foreshadowing for old and new Black Armory weapons and gear to return. Sure, the forges are gone, but there’s a number of ways the writers could bring them back to bring back the armory.
I despise that Zen moment and rapid hit aren't swapped in their columns. The perk roll I so desperately wanted was Headseeker + Zen (yes I know it's on other pulses but I don't have this roll on any except Syncopation, which can't 2 burst)
With the upcomming pulse rifle buff I'd say its worth it for pve both hung jury and blast furnace should have kinetic one fot all as these are the most used anti champion guns, and it would free up an exotic slot
When it comes to PvP Elsie’s is king. That headseeker/Zen roll is nasty
I have 16 golds of blast furnace. Every double trait damage combinations like head seeker kill clip/desperate with good barrels and mag options for either 65 recoil or 100. But for the life of me I can’t get the most neesh role I want for a chromatic fire build which is head seeker firefly. Literally something so specific I can’t even get a terrible role of that.
I've got a KT + Firefly non-shiny that I've locked and have already used fairly often. The ability to have both a perk for yellow/orange bars AND a perk for red bars? Yeah. It's nice. Having BOTH of those options means it's a swiss army knife.
Is it ever going to be the best?... no. No, of course not.
BUT it's always going to be a GOOD option, no matter the content. And honestly, that's all I care about. It's the mortar holding together the bricks of a build, particularly if it's going to handle champions or the times when abilities aren't up.
What do you think of Firefly on this thing in 6v6 PvP? If you tag someone with the firefly explosion (80 dmg), I think that’s a 5h0b kill on T9 resil or lower for a 0.53s TTK on cleanup.
This obviously doesn’t counter damage falloff, but I *think* it might be the quickest possible double kill with no team shot help. Haven’t landed a firefly roll though so I have no idea if it’s functionally viable though.
I know many don't care much for it but I've absolutely loved perks like Dragonfly, Hatchling, Kinetic Tremor, and Firefly. I've been using KT+FF Blast Furnace roll with a couple hundred crucible kills now and that Firefly or KT damage can really do some work and helps soften the next target.
And before anyone says anything I know Kinetic Tremors isn't necessarily a PvP perk but you'd be surprised how often it can proc. It takes only 2 bursts to kill someone but with things like shields, heals, damage reduction (woven mail), some duels can last long enough for that 3rd burst based on how much cover or defensive options the other players has.
So paired with Firefly for the reload speed and extra AoE, I've been absolutely loving it.
Worth mentioning that Chromatic Fire can also trigger, since it's a Kinetic weapon.
I have a snapshot Rapid hit roll with 99 range. I'm excited to see how it duels.
I have 4 BF's: KT/OfA, KT/FF, ZM/RH and HS/KC, haven't tried this thing in pvp yet but will do so soon. Now for pve I have been using this and honestly it puts in work even at waves 40-50, I'm not sure I agree about it not being great for pve though. It's a workhorse of a PR, and compared to other legendary pulses this thing has been treating me right. I never liked high impacts, lightweights or even adaptive frames but I do love me an aggressive or rapid fire frame when it comes to PR's so I'll admit I'm biased there.
Also look for Desperate Measures with KT as it also increases its damage.
Hey! I get killed in this! 23 seconds in. Good game sir
got a keep away rapid hit roll that i really like but unfortunately it came with full bore and a reload mw. gonna grind this again after i've got my coup
Headseeker/rampage has been doin some *work* for me
I didn’t know that legendary pulses are weak in pve. What’s the strongest legendary primary weapon type for pve?
I've been playing with it, it's good, but Elsie's is next level. First match I had with my Zen Moment/Head seeker roll I went 25-0. That weapon is built different lol.
“One unicorn legendary pulse” it’s either battle scar or that arc one with demo well spring, an i right?
I do love blast furnace, but I'm gonna keep with my crafted disparity just due to the origin trait and overall feel
Finally i have a replacement for my head seeker/ rapid hit sacred provenance. Took a bit though LOL
I gave up on my Luna grind. First Blast furnace drop was a Shiny with Arrowhead, Accurized, Zen/Snap and KC/Rapid Hit. Guess I'm done.
I got headseeker kill clip
Firefly kinetic trem
Zen head seeker .
And so many other good rolls and god rolls like I shred in iron banner and I’m looking forward to going to Osiris
KT + OfA in Onslaught is soooooo good, you destroy the Waves with the bumped up KT Damage. Hopefully i get this roll again as a shiny Roll. 95% i get Snapshot + Kill Clip......i dont want this roll anymore, but Bungie is tormenting me ^^
I have a shiny perpetual motion-kill clip roll with 94 range, 74 stability, 65 recoil :D
With every review, of a weapon that shows off the recoil pattern, deterministic recoil actually makes it MORE DIFFICULT to know what your gun is goin to do tied to the stats, and it’s one of the worst things they’ve ever done to guns, used to be the higher the better but now there is a big ol asterisk based on the weapon
Legendary pulses in pve are pretty good tho, nit quite sure what you’re talking about there, like it’s the only primary i ever use, and they dont rlly struggle even in gm content, sure they could always do a lil bit more many gun archetypes feel that way, especially scouts
been using kenetic o.f.a and headseeker firefly in pvp , both really good conconsidering im a pve main
Headseeker rapid hit is really amazing bc no ramp up
People sleep on Kinetic Tremors on pulse rifles in PvP. If you are like me and have mediocre aim, then you’ll likely have to land an additional burst on enemy players fairly often. It only takes one extra burst on any pulse rifle type except high impacts to activate KT. I view it like Malfeasance. The fastest TTK won’t activate the perk, but if you missed the ideal TTK, clean ups are very easy.