1:03 re muzzle flash, just like Coolguy predicted in the video, patch notes just came out saying it should be fixed: "Reduced the muzzle flash visual effects of The Riposte Auto Rifle." (DESTINY 2 UPDATE 8.0.0.7)
I absolutely lucked out with an Arrowhead, Ricochet, Zen, KC + Range and immediately enhanced and masterworked it. Feels amazing on console and over IB there are moments where you just delete players in groups. Very very fun (and looks slick with the Halloween black ornament)
I have this exact same roll, I like the flashy gold trials memento though. It is insanely good, when you get kill clip going you can chain those kills as you mentioned, very fun
My first roll was tap the trigger/kill clip/ricochet and corkscrew/hammer forged. I LOVE this thing. I'm not a great PVP player, it takes me ages to work out what is working best for me, sometimes I go long periods without being truly comfortable with my set up but boy have I really found a groove with The Riposte as part of my loadout. Absolutely shreds at close quarters. Feels great, so glad I braved comp for it
I was just happy to have a void 720 AR added to the game, been a hot minute since GoS dropped with the last one (and I've still never done that raid 😅)
Love all the D2 content creators out there.. I'll watch all of Cross's weapon reviews for fun, and Cammy for mad scientist stuff that I could never do, but there's nothing like a Coolguy video to help me decide what roll I should chase on a gun, esp for PvP! The thorough work on recoil patterns alone is amazing. 🔥
Cross’s “weapon reviews” are more elike showcases for internet perk combos, but like you said…watch for fun i guess meanwhile an actual creator like coolguy falls behind misinformation rush king like cross where his reviews is the family dollar version of CG’s videos
I haven't spent tons of hours with the weapon, but at least on MnK and for an average player like myself, the recoil didn't seem to throw me off target at all. It may just be my honeymoon phase with the first rapid fire lightweight auto and I don't want to see it's flaws, but I really enjoy the weapon. The main reason I don't main it right now is I feel like most of the PvP maps are favoring Elsie's Rifle (my other newfound favorite Void primary)
Cuz if anything like Lunas , NF, recluse, etc comes out all the babies that cry about having to play comp for a gun will come crawling out of the wood work.
@@PeanutButterGyrfalcon people crying about having to play comp for a weapon is a non argument because one: you nolonger need to win games and hit a certain comp rank to get the weapon, two: when we had the old comp system you had to hit what was basically 3 out of 5 in the comp ranking system. You literally had to be average. It was extremely easy to hit to the point where I'm not the best pvp player but I'd boot up comp to unlock the new weapons prepared for a long session and I'd feel like I hit the threshold in like 2 games and got the weapons and thats withoutabusing whatever was meta at the time when each individual weapon dropped so if you were abusing meta it was EVEN EASIER. Its more bungie knows the comp weapons need to be strong but not overbearing because they want people to buy the dlcs for the crafted weapons and to have access to trials. Bungie does NOT care about players crying or balance in pvp, they care about cleaning out your wallet. The numbers don't lie
A forgotten counterpart to this weapon is actually Sweet Sorrow if you have it craftable. (So forgotten it wasn't even included in the stat comparison. :( ) Both are 17 Zoom Rapid Autos and both can get Enhanced Tap the Trigger, though The Riposte does have better stats overall as well as access to lethality perks so it's definitely an upgrade, but that being said I still think Sweet Sorrow is worth checking out since it's much easier to obtain due to crafting as well as playing into potential Arc synergies instead of Void, and still has some unique combos like left column Killing Wind or Perpetual Motion to pair with Enhanced Tap The Trigger in the right column. (Also still has old recoil which could be considered a plus for a lot of people.)
Didn’t like this weapon for a good long time until I stumbled across an insane roll for a particular playstyle. I got a drop with Repulsor/KC and maximum stability (ricochet/smallbore/fitted stock/stability MW), and I thought… let’s see how this plays with Gyrfalcon on Void. Listen to me when I tell you that this thing absolutely shreds. You treat this thing like an smg, use invis to get in close, and after your first kill you’re unbeatable in duels. I know that Shayura’s exists with the same perk combo, but something about this thing (maybe the 720 rpm with volatile) makes it work so well. Even with near base range, it has better falloff than a 100 range SMG, and comparable handling. Played a ton of Iron Banner with it and got more we rans than I can remember… if you get a roll like this, you’ve got to give it a try.
Love to hear you talking about muzzle flash and visibility. It's personally the most important thing about a weapon for me, right next to ADS reticle height being good enough to never be obstructed. Would love to hear more discussions about that, and maybe if you know about any old favorites that do extremely well on that front. Seems like it's one out of a hundred weapons to come out that have an excellently clean and crisp firing experience these days...
Picked up the PvE god roll of this literally a few minutes ago, I thought I was done but hopefully I land TTT and Dynamic Sway, I tend to really struggle with kill chaining so a roll like that would really help me focus on that dueling mentality
Hilarious timing with this video as they supposedly fixed the muzzle flash literally two hours after this went public. Very unfortunate, thankfully the rest of the review is still fine.
720 ARs are as you said long range SMGs. When you are in range there is pretty much nothing that can beat it in a duel. Imo, dmg increasing perks is not necessary on 720s. It's more about stability and handling perks making it work for you and your playstyle. I sometimes use a crappy Arctic Haze with good results and i bet this is better. Now, i'm off to play comp.
Hello! Been watching for a while now I genuinely believe you have the most thorough and well spoken reviews of any channel out there. One question I have is you always show so many different rolls for both pve and pvp in every video. Would you ever be interested in doing a showcase of what you have in your vault and what you use regularly? I'm curious on what sleeper picks or just favorites you have after all these reviews
My first drop was to the pain/kill clip with light mag/extended barrel and fitted stock. I have over 1k crucible kills with it. It all just works so well together. Mag is helping with KC reloads, to the pain is helping with the recoil, so is the stock. I’ve got a high cal/tap/target lock that I’d like to try upon hearing about the recoil.
I wasn't really crazy about this at first and didn't even bother grinding for it, but yesterday I got one with full bore, ricochet rounds, to the pain, kill clip, fitted stalk, and stability masterwork, and it feels great. I got a we ran with it after maybe 3 games and it just feels fun to play with. Definitely going to try to get more. Also, hope everything is well with you coolguy.
Hopefully everyone doesn't sleep too hard on Desperate Measures. Its x1 damage bonus is so close to Golden Tricorn that their difference is needing one extra shot against T9-10 Resilence. Desperate Measures still lowers your TTK across the board, even against those high resilience players that need the extra shot, and as a bonus over Tricorn, Desperate Measures can get x2 off of UNCHARGED melee kills. I dropped 200 kills on a Killing/Desperate Measures roll in IB last week. I really like the gun, but now knowing about the Recoil Pattern, I may try out some of my other rolls with those consistency perks.
Just got a roll with repulsor brace and target lock. I decided to use it on my briarbinds build. The void overshield on those weakened kills and as long as I stay on target, it downs pretty fast. Definitely a run and gun weapon.
Just finished my placement series and got the curated roll, this thing is kinda nice definitely gonna have to hunt down a zen moment or tap roll but I'm actually kinda liking desperate measures, first time using that perk and I'm suprised how much ease of use it has and how you can get it rolling without even thinking about it.
Its funny, I didnt even notice the muzzle flash until you said something, and I have basically kept it equipped in every PVP match Ive played, and I got mine basic at the the start of the DLC. First roll I got was KW/DM and I love it. It transitions great between PVP and PVE, feels really nice to shoot, and cant chain kills well. I want the tried and true Repulse/Destabilize, but we will get there yet.
So it’s funny because right after this video came out they reduced the visual flare. That’s all it took and now the things fucking SLAYS. I’ve been using it nonstop, it’s probably my favorite 720 now, when before I found it unbearable to use
Hammer forged, high cal, range masterwork, TTT and target lock is slept on. Boi.... .75 ttk with no kill needed and going from one target to another just melting. Feels so good
As of 7/16 they reduced the muzzle flash! So that should help with one of the downsides you mentioned! I have tap DSR and it helps a lot! I would love tap kill clip tho
I have a TTT/DSR roll and can confirm - it is a laser. It may even be a bit overkill on the stability front, but the accuracy is spicy. Overall with a range masterwork, I'm loving it. However, the lack of a damage perk does make it a bit one-note as a dueling weapon.
How do you craft weapons , do i need the final shape to do it ? Been playing off and on and dont really k ow much about it. Any help would be appreciated 🙏
I’ve been waiting for this review since I got my first roll!!! Great review, you’ve covered what I could say felt odd about the gun. I have a max range with tap, dynamic sway and it’s as juiced as you hoped. Just wish they’d fix the mussel flash issue
absolutely shameful that a weapon from aspirational content is actively fighting you in the most critical moments of a gun fight. I was about to commit to getting it because the model is absolutely gorgeous but not if it's got a heinous zig-zag covering the TTK.
You can counter the recoil all together with zen moment or just moving side to side and kinda moving the sight over while you strafe alot of times it out kills everything especially if you lock a roll like i got with zen moment and target lock
This thing shoots magnets. A better Shayuras Wrath. Full bore + richochet + enhanced zen + enhanced dynamic + stability stock. I've been maining this roll and laying waste to everything in sight at the top of the leaderboard.
I was just thinking to myself that I wish I had more 720 auto rifles. I'm a big fan of Chroma Rush, but that's the only 720 I have, and lately I've been doing better with 600s (Duty Bound).
Honestly, I really enjoy the curated version even if I want a ZM one. As you said, once you get used to the muzzle flash, you can work with it. Hopefully, it gets fixed
I haven't watched the video yet but I'm excited because i know you are literally the only reviewer who is going to look at the determinstic recoil direction and all the different patterns which is extremely important on this auto.
I didn't even know the drops were bugged because it dropped for me pretty early in the episode (before I had seen it in the known issues) with Tap and Dynamic.
I have an range mw/arrowhead/armor piercing/zen/desperate measures roll - it's OK. The flash is horrible, but it is very stable. If they fix that it may be usable. Base 59 range, 74 stability, 77 handling, which doesnt match what d2foundry shows (49/57/60) - Any idea why they differ so much??? Just having it masterworked and enhanced doesnt make that much stat difference.
I use it from time to time. I have noticed the Muzzle flash and recoil to be a problem. Zen Moment and Dynamic sway will probably feel better after updating flash
I got a zen moment target lock that is extremely smooth but I agree that it's not always consistent but it really is fun to shred I feel that it has a surprise factor that people aren't expecting
Imo this gun is nuts, I have lots of practise controlling recoil from other games, mostly apex but some other stuff aswell and holy this gun cook’s once you learn the recoil. If you learn it you don’t need stability perks and can go full lethality and range and you just shred people, feels really good to hipfire aswell compared to other 720s. Still want a ttt and dsr roll to try but my range mw, hammer forged, ricochet, kw kc roll feels amazing
I've only been able to find success with this AR in one play session. Need to get the TtT + kill clip roll, that roll works wonders on gnawing hunger. Was hoping for more out of DSR + to the pain but felt like I was consistently just barely losing gun fights with it.
I got KW and KC and with a counter balance and recoil stock I find it doesn't NEED the stability perks but I'm sure it helps a lot. Muzzle flash sucks but the gun feels good to use had like 30 defeats with it my first game now it sits in my vault just isn't something I'll bring into comp or trials as of rn
The flash doesn't bother me ..I didn't really notice.. killing measure is my roll rang master and fitted stock ...I usually like to go all in with stability but having that extra range is nice being able to get that damage boost helps when missing shots...im sure more ppl with go for it was more youtubers talk about it... another Nawinghunger meta coming
Edit: Todays patch addressed The Riposte muzzle flash according to the patch notes: [Reduced the muzzle flash visual effects of The Riposte Auto Rifle.] "Good enough to have great games with but not great enough to be consistent with" is so true. There are sometimes where it pops off and I think it's amazing but then sometimes it feels like it's significantly weaker than anything I'm dueling. I'm still going to grind for a couple rolls just to have (To the Pain + Kill clip has been fun) but I don't see it feeling more consistent than my Origin Story with Keep Away/Zen + High Ground.
iunno i loved it after the first couple times i used it, the muzzle flash wasnt too crazy to me nor was the recoil pattern. for me the stability stats helped the most and i feel like it shoots better strafing. ur strafing faster and the recoil pattern seems to work with strafjng to reduce it make it more accurate. iunno n i swear to my battler pulse but now with the seasonal artifacts these 600+rpm ( more so for 720s) they seen bis for pve content and pvp.
personally i think deterministic recoil, although out of place in a game like d2, is really cool and unique. perfectly learning the recoil of a gun is difficult business, and in alot of games where every gun has a unique recoil patter, its a sign of a good player. im glad theres ways to negate it on this gun though. not sure how it shipped with the awful muzzle flash, but at least the gun looks sick with the whole sword motif
This has felt like the best auto I’ve used at times and average when it’s off, there are two I have that work well and it’s killing wind and encore which is a bullet hose and to the pain and kill clip which I prefer. Hopefully I can get one with a better stock. I’m a void lock and this is my goto, I haven’t really liked switching off, really made me debate adding more mobility to my loadout.
I've more or less come to the same conclusions as you. I'm on MnK and I've been using my Zen Moment + Kill Clip Riposte all day yesterday. If I hit the first 1-3 bullets I can and will win the duel cause of Zen. But if I miss those bullets I usually end up losing the duel cause of the wild recoil pattern regardless of recoil direction. Also want to note that I'm not great at controlling recoil in general. I don't use auto rifles often haha Appreciate the vid, this would be a horrifically scary weapon if it had something like new Shayura's Wrath recoil.
I love that they made a comp auto rifle, I love even more than that that its a lightweight, but i'll be honest.. I wish it was a 600rpm, my favorite archetype, because I'm tired of "just use summoner: the game". edit: maybe i'll get a reprised gnawing hunger one day with an origin perk. I didn't when people got spare back... maybe it'll drag me back into Gambit in like, 2 years time, based on bungie's 600 auto focus timeline. I would love more lightweight autos though, and more lightweight 140s... unfortunately, I get the feeling that Rose and this are gonna be the only ones of their kind, even though they really shouldn't be. I love the lightweight movement speed bonus, i love the passive movement bonus in general, but I hate running Stompees over another exotic, and frankly, I don't WANT the extra jump height. But my options are limited, especially after arc 3.0.
2 rolls I have are small bore, high call, zen moment and killclip And the other Hammer forged, high call with zen moment and golden tricorn I also just got a small bore, light mag with to the pain and killclip
I beat final shape campaign last night finally. Went on "vaca" the Wed after final shape launch on Tue that no one could log into for 2 weeks. I know I've been home for almost a month but I've been busy trying to save the marriage so I've been doing an hr here, hr there.... this is my first stating that I beat the campaign. I feel... slightly accomplished, like a 5 or 6/10. Was just expecting... more? The 12 man mission was awesome.... kinda? Felt like a bunch of chickens scrambling about but saint being there with a bubble was cool. Lol
i really tried to love this thing because it looks cool and has high potential, got a roll with Zen Moment+ Encore for more consistency, but it just didnt work. my K/D was so bad while i was trying to use this gun, felt like i couldn't more that 3 bullets in a row bc of the recoil and muzzle flash
idk my kd this week was 8.3 after playing over 200 comp and 150 crucible games using this and my beloved kept confidence/perpetualis. i can’t lie like this gun feels like an smg almost. strategist/desperate.
Still trying a couple of rolls that dropped after I finally started doing comp. I like 720s, but my ros arago wih permeability (eh), but golden tricorn has been great in 6 v 6 and in comp.
Thank you for watching!
Literally just fixed the muzzle flash 7/16/24 - "Reduced the muzzle flash visual effects of The Riposte Auto Rifle." :D
@@stevehannon23came here to say the same thing!
They fixed it. No more flash
I do have a tap the trigger, dynamic sway roll 😍
Good news, they fixed the muzzle flash from the weapon on the recent Twid, so at least it won't blind players.
Cheers for the review!
1:03 re muzzle flash, just like Coolguy predicted in the video, patch notes just came out saying it should be fixed:
"Reduced the muzzle flash visual effects of The Riposte Auto Rifle." (DESTINY 2 UPDATE 8.0.0.7)
Beat me to it. 😂
Yeah it’s pretty much fixed now. It’s so good
I absolutely lucked out with an Arrowhead, Ricochet, Zen, KC + Range and immediately enhanced and masterworked it. Feels amazing on console and over IB there are moments where you just delete players in groups. Very very fun (and looks slick with the Halloween black ornament)
Wow
I have this exact same roll, I like the flashy gold trials memento though. It is insanely good, when you get kill clip going you can chain those kills as you mentioned, very fun
My first roll was tap the trigger/kill clip/ricochet and corkscrew/hammer forged. I LOVE this thing. I'm not a great PVP player, it takes me ages to work out what is working best for me, sometimes I go long periods without being truly comfortable with my set up but boy have I really found a groove with The Riposte as part of my loadout. Absolutely shreds at close quarters. Feels great, so glad I braved comp for it
I was just happy to have a void 720 AR added to the game, been a hot minute since GoS dropped with the last one (and I've still never done that raid 😅)
the recoil pattern analysis is so helpful in all of your vids. No other place to go for me
Love all the D2 content creators out there.. I'll watch all of Cross's weapon reviews for fun, and Cammy for mad scientist stuff that I could never do, but there's nothing like a Coolguy video to help me decide what roll I should chase on a gun, esp for PvP! The thorough work on recoil patterns alone is amazing. 🔥
Cross’s “weapon reviews” are more elike showcases for internet perk combos, but like you said…watch for fun i guess meanwhile an actual creator like coolguy falls behind misinformation rush king like cross where his reviews is the family dollar version of CG’s videos
Lol yeah dude, frost for the random challenges too
Deterministic recoil should be turned off at 100 recoil, it should be up and down period. No debating.
It’s really weird to me that a Comp reward is explicitly designed to be uncompetitive with that recoil pattern.
I haven't spent tons of hours with the weapon, but at least on MnK and for an average player like myself, the recoil didn't seem to throw me off target at all.
It may just be my honeymoon phase with the first rapid fire lightweight auto and I don't want to see it's flaws, but I really enjoy the weapon.
The main reason I don't main it right now is I feel like most of the PvP maps are favoring Elsie's Rifle (my other newfound favorite Void primary)
Cuz if anything like Lunas , NF, recluse, etc comes out all the babies that cry about having to play comp for a gun will come crawling out of the wood work.
@@PeanutButterGyrfalcon people crying about having to play comp for a weapon is a non argument because one: you nolonger need to win games and hit a certain comp rank to get the weapon, two: when we had the old comp system you had to hit what was basically 3 out of 5 in the comp ranking system. You literally had to be average. It was extremely easy to hit to the point where I'm not the best pvp player but I'd boot up comp to unlock the new weapons prepared for a long session and I'd feel like I hit the threshold in like 2 games and got the weapons and thats withoutabusing whatever was meta at the time when each individual weapon dropped so if you were abusing meta it was EVEN EASIER. Its more bungie knows the comp weapons need to be strong but not overbearing because they want people to buy the dlcs for the crafted weapons and to have access to trials. Bungie does NOT care about players crying or balance in pvp, they care about cleaning out your wallet. The numbers don't lie
Indeed, it’s the Uncomp reward.
@ShadowNemesis575 you wasted you're time bruh I'm not reading you're essay
A forgotten counterpart to this weapon is actually Sweet Sorrow if you have it craftable. (So forgotten it wasn't even included in the stat comparison. :( )
Both are 17 Zoom Rapid Autos and both can get Enhanced Tap the Trigger, though The Riposte does have better stats overall as well as access to lethality perks so it's definitely an upgrade, but that being said I still think Sweet Sorrow is worth checking out since it's much easier to obtain due to crafting as well as playing into potential Arc synergies instead of Void, and still has some unique combos like left column Killing Wind or Perpetual Motion to pair with Enhanced Tap The Trigger in the right column. (Also still has old recoil which could be considered a plus for a lot of people.)
Loving all these reviews. Hope you’re doing alright.
That muzzle flash and recoil has been hurting this gun for me so much.
The muzzle flash got fixed today via reset patch update
Didn’t like this weapon for a good long time until I stumbled across an insane roll for a particular playstyle.
I got a drop with Repulsor/KC and maximum stability (ricochet/smallbore/fitted stock/stability MW), and I thought… let’s see how this plays with Gyrfalcon on Void.
Listen to me when I tell you that this thing absolutely shreds. You treat this thing like an smg, use invis to get in close, and after your first kill you’re unbeatable in duels. I know that Shayura’s exists with the same perk combo, but something about this thing (maybe the 720 rpm with volatile) makes it work so well. Even with near base range, it has better falloff than a 100 range SMG, and comparable handling.
Played a ton of Iron Banner with it and got more we rans than I can remember… if you get a roll like this, you’ve got to give it a try.
Love to hear you talking about muzzle flash and visibility. It's personally the most important thing about a weapon for me, right next to ADS reticle height being good enough to never be obstructed.
Would love to hear more discussions about that, and maybe if you know about any old favorites that do extremely well on that front.
Seems like it's one out of a hundred weapons to come out that have an excellently clean and crisp firing experience these days...
Picked up the PvE god roll of this literally a few minutes ago, I thought I was done but hopefully I land TTT and Dynamic Sway, I tend to really struggle with kill chaining so a roll like that would really help me focus on that dueling mentality
Hilarious timing with this video as they supposedly fixed the muzzle flash literally two hours after this went public. Very unfortunate, thankfully the rest of the review is still fine.
720 ARs are as you said long range SMGs. When you are in range there is pretty much nothing that can beat it in a duel.
Imo, dmg increasing perks is not necessary on 720s. It's more about stability and handling perks making it work for you and your playstyle.
I sometimes use a crappy Arctic Haze with good results and i bet this is better.
Now, i'm off to play comp.
Hello! Been watching for a while now I genuinely believe you have the most thorough and well spoken reviews of any channel out there. One question I have is you always show so many different rolls for both pve and pvp in every video. Would you ever be interested in doing a showcase of what you have in your vault and what you use regularly? I'm curious on what sleeper picks or just favorites you have after all these reviews
My first drop was to the pain/kill clip with light mag/extended barrel and fitted stock. I have over 1k crucible kills with it. It all just works so well together. Mag is helping with KC reloads, to the pain is helping with the recoil, so is the stock. I’ve got a high cal/tap/target lock that I’d like to try upon hearing about the recoil.
I wasn't really crazy about this at first and didn't even bother grinding for it, but yesterday I got one with full bore, ricochet rounds, to the pain, kill clip, fitted stalk, and stability masterwork, and it feels great. I got a we ran with it after maybe 3 games and it just feels fun to play with. Definitely going to try to get more. Also, hope everything is well with you coolguy.
I enjoy it. I got TTT/target lock that I primarily use. It melts
Hopefully everyone doesn't sleep too hard on Desperate Measures. Its x1 damage bonus is so close to Golden Tricorn that their difference is needing one extra shot against T9-10 Resilence. Desperate Measures still lowers your TTK across the board, even against those high resilience players that need the extra shot, and as a bonus over Tricorn, Desperate Measures can get x2 off of UNCHARGED melee kills.
I dropped 200 kills on a Killing/Desperate Measures roll in IB last week. I really like the gun, but now knowing about the Recoil Pattern, I may try out some of my other rolls with those consistency perks.
I really like this archetype and think it feels great in the hands, but that recoil pattern man. My god what were they thinking
Just got a roll with repulsor brace and target lock. I decided to use it on my briarbinds build. The void overshield on those weakened kills and as long as I stay on target, it downs pretty fast. Definitely a run and gun weapon.
Just finished my placement series and got the curated roll, this thing is kinda nice definitely gonna have to hunt down a zen moment or tap roll but I'm actually kinda liking desperate measures, first time using that perk and I'm suprised how much ease of use it has and how you can get it rolling without even thinking about it.
I got tap the trigger and target lock and love it! Feels great for dueling.
Target lock goes hard on this.
Its funny, I didnt even notice the muzzle flash until you said something, and I have basically kept it equipped in every PVP match Ive played, and I got mine basic at the the start of the DLC. First roll I got was KW/DM and I love it. It transitions great between PVP and PVE, feels really nice to shoot, and cant chain kills well. I want the tried and true Repulse/Destabilize, but we will get there yet.
So it’s funny because right after this video came out they reduced the visual flare. That’s all it took and now the things fucking SLAYS. I’ve been using it nonstop, it’s probably my favorite 720 now, when before I found it unbearable to use
I got zen moment+ dynamic sway with 50 range and I was winning most of my 1v1
Hammer forged, high cal, range masterwork, TTT and target lock is slept on. Boi.... .75 ttk with no kill needed and going from one target to another just melting. Feels so good
I got that roll, it's fire. mines got fitted stock and handling mw
I also basically got a similar roll, just w arrowhead, ricochet and stab mw so it has 100 recoil direction and 90 stability, shit slaps
Yes sir TTT/TL rise up!
@@TheSithLord- I just tried it out with the new muzzle flash and damn! it's fire even on mnk
As of 7/16 they reduced the muzzle flash! So that should help with one of the downsides you mentioned! I have tap DSR and it helps a lot! I would love tap kill clip tho
Played my 7 matches to get this. When it dropped it was zen moment kill clip. Handling. It’s the best auto I’ve ever used. Love it.
Got one with target lock and it was going crazy in pvp. Did not notice the recoil issue or whatever 🗿
I had my first roll come static like yours, but the only change was Desperate Measures instead of Golden Tricorn. Was it supposed to drop like that?
I have a TTT/DSR roll and can confirm - it is a laser. It may even be a bit overkill on the stability front, but the accuracy is spicy. Overall with a range masterwork, I'm loving it. However, the lack of a damage perk does make it a bit one-note as a dueling weapon.
To the pain target lock underrated fr
I've loved this gun in Pvp. i use the base roll and have over 700 kills on it and im not much of a PVP player, its great for kill chains
Got a 5/5 Zen - Dynamic and it’s wonderful but I’m gonna give it some more use now that they fixed that dang muzzle flash
Really enjoy using this tbh! Sticky laser with zen moment / target lock
Zen moment + Dynamic sway = Laser beam that does not move at all!
Can confirm TTT & DSR is absolutely stellar on this weapon
Thanks for gettin nerdy with it buddy...👊
Chillin with the glitched curated, fixed curated and a zen encore roll in my vault right now
I have that to the pain encore roll. It’s exactly like you said, to the pain feels great on this
Ik I wasn't alone in thinking the recoil is off. Tap the trigger and target lock for me is goated
Well, they just fixed the muzzle flash issues today so thats something
How do you craft weapons , do i need the final shape to do it ? Been playing off and on and dont really k ow much about it. Any help would be appreciated 🙏
Target lock for duel?
They fix the muzzle flash 2 hours after the video
My placement matches rewarded me with a static roll of killing wind/desperate measures. Is that what everyone gets or random?
They just fixed the muzzle flash btw
From today’s patch notes😂
“Reduced the muzzle flash visual effects of The Riposte Auto Rifle.”
I’ve been waiting for this review since I got my first roll!!!
Great review, you’ve covered what I could say felt odd about the gun. I have a max range with tap, dynamic sway and it’s as juiced as you hoped. Just wish they’d fix the mussel flash issue
absolutely shameful that a weapon from aspirational content is actively fighting you in the most critical moments of a gun fight. I was about to commit to getting it because the model is absolutely gorgeous but not if it's got a heinous zig-zag covering the TTK.
You can counter the recoil all together with zen moment or just moving side to side and kinda moving the sight over while you strafe alot of times it out kills everything especially if you lock a roll like i got with zen moment and target lock
Can we get rid of deterministic recoil please? it’s stupid and unintuitive, we have a recoil stat for a reason
This thing shoots magnets. A better Shayuras Wrath.
Full bore + richochet + enhanced zen + enhanced dynamic + stability stock.
I've been maining this roll and laying waste to everything in sight at the top of the leaderboard.
I was just thinking to myself that I wish I had more 720 auto rifles. I'm a big fan of Chroma Rush, but that's the only 720 I have, and lately I've been doing better with 600s (Duty Bound).
Did the stock kw desperate measures roll get updated?
Another banger review. Thanks for putting in some non kill chaining ideas in this video! Appreciate that a lot and thanks for reading the comments!
Honestly, I really enjoy the curated version even if I want a ZM one. As you said, once you get used to the muzzle flash, you can work with it. Hopefully, it gets fixed
I haven't watched the video yet but I'm excited because i know you are literally the only reviewer who is going to look at the determinstic recoil direction and all the different patterns which is extremely important on this auto.
Re-watched the video, I can't seem to find the pre-mention bugged perk in the video. Does anyone have a time stamp when Coolguy talks about it?
What recoil pattern do you suggest?
I didn't even know the drops were bugged because it dropped for me pretty early in the episode (before I had seen it in the known issues) with Tap and Dynamic.
I have an range mw/arrowhead/armor piercing/zen/desperate measures roll - it's OK. The flash is horrible, but it is very stable. If they fix that it may be usable.
Base 59 range, 74 stability, 77 handling, which doesnt match what d2foundry shows (49/57/60) - Any idea why they differ so much??? Just having it masterworked and enhanced doesnt make that much stat difference.
Feels a little funny, like you said with the recoil and muzzle flash. Managed to snag a good DSR/TTT roll though which I could get a lot of use from.
I use it from time to time. I have noticed the Muzzle flash and recoil to be a problem. Zen Moment and Dynamic sway will probably feel better after updating flash
I got a zen moment target lock that is extremely smooth but I agree that it's not always consistent but it really is fun to shred I feel that it has a surprise factor that people aren't expecting
Got the ultimate stability roll arrowhead tap the trigger and dynamic sway
I have somehow lucked into. Tap the trigger dynamic sway. And zen moment dynamic sway
Lucky enough to get a Zen Moment, Dynamic sway reduction, and holy shit it shreds
Same, its so good 💪
Its only been available as a legit non bugged reward for 2 weeks now so no surprise if its not being used a lot.
Got encore and thought about dismantling, but it honestly surprised me. Feels like a laser because it procs often being a bullet hose. On controller
Imo this gun is nuts, I have lots of practise controlling recoil from other games, mostly apex but some other stuff aswell and holy this gun cook’s once you learn the recoil. If you learn it you don’t need stability perks and can go full lethality and range and you just shred people, feels really good to hipfire aswell compared to other 720s. Still want a ttt and dsr roll to try but my range mw, hammer forged, ricochet, kw kc roll feels amazing
I've only been able to find success with this AR in one play session. Need to get the TtT + kill clip roll, that roll works wonders on gnawing hunger. Was hoping for more out of DSR + to the pain but felt like I was consistently just barely losing gun fights with it.
I got KW and KC and with a counter balance and recoil stock I find it doesn't NEED the stability perks but I'm sure it helps a lot. Muzzle flash sucks but the gun feels good to use had like 30 defeats with it my first game now it sits in my vault just isn't something I'll bring into comp or trials as of rn
The flash doesn't bother me ..I didn't really notice.. killing measure is my roll rang master and fitted stock ...I usually like to go all in with stability but having that extra range is nice being able to get that damage boost helps when missing shots...im sure more ppl with go for it was more youtubers talk about it... another Nawinghunger meta coming
Yeah I got killing wind/desperate measures on my first drop the other day and went on an absolute tear with it. I like this gun!
I just ran into one of these guns and comp, and I could not win a gunfight against him heads up. It was starting to get a little irritating.
Tap + Dynamic is so good on controller. I didn't even realize it had that weird Shooting pattern, I suppose because my version knocks that out of it.
Edit: Todays patch addressed The Riposte muzzle flash according to the patch notes:
[Reduced the muzzle flash visual effects of The Riposte Auto Rifle.]
"Good enough to have great games with but not great enough to be consistent with" is so true. There are sometimes where it pops off and I think it's amazing but then sometimes it feels like it's significantly weaker than anything I'm dueling.
I'm still going to grind for a couple rolls just to have (To the Pain + Kill clip has been fun) but I don't see it feeling more consistent than my Origin Story with Keep Away/Zen + High Ground.
i have a tap dynamic sway and love it also have the "glitched" roll
iunno i loved it after the first couple times i used it, the muzzle flash wasnt too crazy to me nor was the recoil pattern. for me the stability stats helped the most and i feel like it shoots better strafing. ur strafing faster and the recoil pattern seems to work with strafjng to reduce it make it more accurate. iunno n i swear to my battler pulse but now with the seasonal artifacts these 600+rpm ( more so for 720s) they seen bis for pve content and pvp.
personally i think deterministic recoil, although out of place in a game like d2, is really cool and unique. perfectly learning the recoil of a gun is difficult business, and in alot of games where every gun has a unique recoil patter, its a sign of a good player. im glad theres ways to negate it on this gun though. not sure how it shipped with the awful muzzle flash, but at least the gun looks sick with the whole sword motif
This has felt like the best auto I’ve used at times and average when it’s off, there are two I have that work well and it’s killing wind and encore which is a bullet hose and to the pain and kill clip which I prefer. Hopefully I can get one with a better stock. I’m a void lock and this is my goto, I haven’t really liked switching off, really made me debate adding more mobility to my loadout.
I use it basically in a role of SMG, then when I proc Killing Wind, I use it more like I would auto, when I get the range bump
I've more or less come to the same conclusions as you. I'm on MnK and I've been using my Zen Moment + Kill Clip Riposte all day yesterday. If I hit the first 1-3 bullets I can and will win the duel cause of Zen. But if I miss those bullets I usually end up losing the duel cause of the wild recoil pattern regardless of recoil direction. Also want to note that I'm not great at controlling recoil in general. I don't use auto rifles often haha
Appreciate the vid, this would be a horrifically scary weapon if it had something like new Shayura's Wrath recoil.
I have a zen moment/ dynamic sway. It’s better than my killing wind/ golden tricorn. Love both though.
Finally I get to know if grinding comp is worth it
I love that they made a comp auto rifle, I love even more than that that its a lightweight, but i'll be honest..
I wish it was a 600rpm, my favorite archetype, because I'm tired of "just use summoner: the game".
edit: maybe i'll get a reprised gnawing hunger one day with an origin perk. I didn't when people got spare back... maybe it'll drag me back into Gambit in like, 2 years time, based on bungie's 600 auto focus timeline.
I would love more lightweight autos though, and more lightweight 140s... unfortunately, I get the feeling that Rose and this are gonna be the only ones of their kind, even though they really shouldn't be. I love the lightweight movement speed bonus, i love the passive movement bonus in general, but I hate running Stompees over another exotic, and frankly, I don't WANT the extra jump height. But my options are limited, especially after arc 3.0.
Thanks
2 rolls I have are
small bore, high call, zen moment and killclip
And the other
Hammer forged, high call with zen moment and golden tricorn
I also just got a small bore, light mag with to the pain and killclip
I beat final shape campaign last night finally. Went on "vaca" the Wed after final shape launch on Tue that no one could log into for 2 weeks. I know I've been home for almost a month but I've been busy trying to save the marriage so I've been doing an hr here, hr there.... this is my first stating that I beat the campaign. I feel... slightly accomplished, like a 5 or 6/10. Was just expecting... more? The 12 man mission was awesome.... kinda? Felt like a bunch of chickens scrambling about but saint being there with a bubble was cool. Lol
I love this weapon, I'm just mad it didn't roll w/ demolitionist in either slot. I could've use it w/ nothing manacles
i really tried to love this thing because it looks cool and has high potential, got a roll with Zen Moment+ Encore for more consistency, but it just didnt work. my K/D was so bad while i was trying to use this gun, felt like i couldn't more that 3 bullets in a row bc of the recoil and muzzle flash
How often can one drop?
idk my kd this week was 8.3 after playing over 200 comp and 150 crucible games using this and my beloved kept confidence/perpetualis. i can’t lie like this gun feels like an smg almost. strategist/desperate.
There's no overcoming that muzzle flash. It's blinding AF. Might come back to it once that's fixed.
How to get that Golden Tricorn???
Ros aragos w the right roll clears this weapon in everyway imo, even though theyre different archetypes
Still trying a couple of rolls that dropped after I finally started doing comp. I like 720s, but my ros arago wih permeability (eh), but golden tricorn has been great in 6 v 6 and in comp.