yes..probably should have just all agreed: NO RUNES for warrior or hunter. then they would remain balanced while everyone else was still worse@@radioreplay
warlock will perform the best as a caster 100000%. especially if they add seed..my god. but man warrior just looks to be scaling better unless they get nerfed. hmm@@Shinobuu22
lol, thx for the quote :) u could also make a video, looking at the warcraftlogs for hunters - somehow, when u search dps tiers for marksman, it sounds like marksman(MM spec) is very good. when u actually look at the players it turns out they are infact BM with melee weaving - im so tired of videos quoting this and claiming the marksman hunter is the meta for hunters in pve raids. its not true at all. marksman has lethal shots, and can use, will use aimed shot as an opener and chimera as a filler. he has master marksman rune, yea (thats what the logs look at) but all hunters use that if they can. (no one uses aimed other than as a precast as its far to weak in SoD pve) and yea, warrior will be the dps class. the others play support or healing. im prob changing mains, even tho not being hunter has been so booring that i ended up stopping in classic.
this may end up being inaccurate but the theory is this will be a more maintenance/convenience phase for runes with things like free fortitude, free brez, etc. small things
@NOHITJEROME as a Rogue main I'm not too certain on our dps with both our poisons and bleeds not working. Maybe we will get some passive rune to allow them to work on bosses or Blizz will do a QoL change.
At first I thought they might just make mechanicals no longer have the mechanical unit flag so they work normally with bleeds. But baron is immune to a bunch of things and nobody seems to notice, so I do wonder. Have to imagine blizzard would rather the game be fun than scientifically accurate lol
again my priest dream turned to dust.... thanks blizzard . just dinged 40 so ill quit again until phase 3 and see if shadow if any good then. if not might aswell just quit sod...
Thank you Chris, I've maintained a bank of every WoW/Hearthstone trailer I can find. Say what you want about blizzard but their trailers are unparalleled. By the way, have you made your plans for P2 yet? I will guess you are leaning warrior or hunter
hi which spreadsheet? simonize dps sheet? docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wQX9WvbeBFPkXq7grp9zR8LiZ5st8aSD/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=116267767564171824509&rtpof=true&sd=true
Shaman tanking is going to be such a dream in gnomeregan. They already said it will be an easy/levelup raid. That means there is no point in a warrior or even feral. Shaman will just continue doing what they already did but better As for rogue..have fun. They will be the most broken pvp class in the phase (imo)
you are right and cleave in general is such a rage dump. can easily end up rage starved if you spam cleave. probably won't get as much use as I expected in p2
Its going to highly depend on gear available, runes that change things up, and boss/mobs immunities. With those being unknown I would say Fury Warrior, Combat rogue, and Arcane mage are going to be S tier. Hybrids could be amazing and extremely fun to play but will depend on the aforementioned factors.
hi bblinson, you are correct to say that it will depend on gear available. runes I believe will be more accessory/basic this phase to slow down the power creep. as for immunities, it feels likely they will keep the mechanicals the same as before. they didn't change baron even though they should have. Fury, combat rogue will both b S tier I believe, it is the correct take. arcane might be copium, are you watching too many frostadamus videos? (:D ) what makes you believe in arcane?
Thats going to depend on possible changes to raids allowing bleeds etc. We will see! Warrior has always been exceptional in both pvp and pve but it will be fun to see what happens.@@armandovercouteren7638
Survival being completely slept on, 35% agi with lion and maybe expose weakness as a new rune, and 30% stam for pvp . Might be competitive with MM and will be bis melee weave
Survival is definitely being slept on, but mostly because BM (bestial wrath) and MM (trueshot aura) - by comparison it's hard to beat those two things. In PvP with traps and defensives like you mention..surv will be absolutely disgusting. Used to love playing surv back in 2019 trapping BRm, it will be even more fun in AB slowing down entire armies of players to a crawl. Ahh good times :D. As for melee weaving, do you want to see melee hunter explored further? Or simply melee weaving being more relevant in general.
Nasty is right, to the point where melee weaving will no longer be weaving. Just melee hunters chasing everyone down with frightening speed and agility and 500 damage per swing. Would you like that? Melee hunter p2
Totally neglected not just one, but two new aimed shot ranks for MM that might make aimed shot finally not be a 3sec cast autoshot anymore. Rank1 adds 70 damage, meanwhile rank3 that's available in phase 2 adds +200 damage on top of weapon damage for aimed shot. Runes will have a huge impact on bm vs mm though, but if a very slow weapon is available from the raid and possibly something like lock and load added through runes, MM may crank quite hard.
Hi Thask, I think you are right. At first I would have assumed they would change mechanical units to bleed, but they didn't do that with Baron. Caster meta would be excellent, boomkin, destro, fire mages...sounds good to me. Would you prefer a caster meta or that they change mechanicals?
If the bosses in gnomer stay mech rogues and warriors will likely have to find different talent setups, however due to spell rank they will still likely be best. The problem is that if casters ever catch up to melee in pve they will obliterate melee in pvp
it's true, even as mechanical war/rogue will find a way. spell ranks mean casters can never truly catch up in pve. my god imagine if casters got on the level of melee in pve. the boomkins would be doing 600 dps :D
So stoked for Phase 2. I have 5 25's and really struggling with who to main, but I think it's going to be Warrior and Enhance Sham. But I hope that 2h enhance gets some love with a new rune that is a weapon ability.
Enhance will be much much better than they were before, but for my shaman it will be hard to stay away from ele and of course resto shaman just for speedruns. Warrior will get top billing for DPS there is no question, I think maining warrior in a warrior cleave group 25-40 might be a smart move and then you can be the first to get geared out.
Just hoping that Gnomer has some 1h ax es and/or maces that will fair well for enhance. right now their pre bis options just don't compare to rogue/warrior/feral... especially for offhand @@NOHITJEROME
@@thedeceasedband I believe that is one thing we can be certain of - they will give us plenty of item options for all types of specs. I think you will get your 1h axes no problem
in PVP for sure! I hope they add one or two runes that makes 2h sham viable in pve@@joshuaintheheartland8783 There is room for 2h runes on both hands and chest.. being that both slots have runes that synergize for DW and tanking, I'm hoping we get 2 new runes that synergize for those slots for 2h.
i am cautiously optimistic. I think they will be the dueling gods but not sure they will bring it in raids. destro will for sure , probably top caster. affliction and tank lock? not so sure. what do you think?
that's awesome, but they may also be the best healers too. overload simply may end up being too overpowered at 40 in all cases, we have to wait and see
Appreciate you Drakanstein, without knowing if we will get key runes like seed it's hard to be 100% accurate, but what do you think? What will be the #1 class next phase?
That's a tough call to be honest. I think you did a great job of compiling and studying classes, to give us a good idea of what's to come. I think the "powers at be" behind the curtain are taking notes on this first phase, and I hope to see that no class in particular is singled out - that each class can be useful in a way (more so than the past). I can only imagine the effort it takes to implement balance in a complex experience such as WoW.. Even I have gone out of my comfort zone to experiment with classes/races I'm not used to. I love warrior, rogue, and hunter.. but one Tuesday reset and the next thing we know it might be a different class crowned king! Guess we'll just have to wait and see X) @@NOHITJEROME
I see blizzard taking notes behind the scene too, perhaps like an eye of sauron. The question becomes what they can actually DO to fix some balancing issues. IE boomkin is unbalanceable right now - they tried with Starsurge and it failed and the class is still weak in PvE. Some classes will full on need new talent tree reworks. I'm glad you have gone out of your comfort zone, I planned to do that originally and fell off my plan. Now I want to do back to to that plan and play 1 of each class, I hope it is not too late..
hunters were the undeniable winners of Phase 1, i was stomping on everything and god, did hunters deserve some love after classic. It was awesome. I hope i'll have some time to play phase 2 because it's all looking extremely exciting and fun from what I can see the last few days
@@NOHITJEROMEthere’s no way enhance will be better then ele. I know enhance LOOKS nice. Nothing beats ele talent tree. 100% crit bonus is just nasty. Tell me one talent that is better then ele in enhance? There’s nothing. Not even one talent worth picking.
@@double_joseph327 i actually think enhance will do really well and probably beat ele, our new runes pretty much does F all for us and its disappointing AF...
I am not entirely sold And_FPJ, the big problem being the Corruption is at level 34 and you don't get a new rank until 42. But the new runes look incredible, just a lot of nice power increases. ie Pandemic. I think Destro will be stronger though, what do you think?
it's a good idea, will investigate the healer/tank situations. healer seems simple to me though. priest is still the god shooting laser beams out of their eyes. though shaman may overtake them in p2. what do you think will happen?
@@NOHITJEROME I agree that shaman might take over, but hps wise priest might be able to pull the highest logs with PoM. But most groups probably want homunculi. I am excited to see if resto druids will actually start using some of their healing runes.
would love to. hate to say shaman is way too high on the list...need to make my shaman before phase 2. also good luck this weekend, we all hate the 49ers
@@NOHITJEROME I’m stilling trying to figure out if I should main Resto Druid or priest. Both so much fun, probably will wait to find out which runes come out next. Thanks man!! Really hope we can pull out the W
Priest is going to be in an incredible state next phase. With POM / penanace..shields..your full toolkit too. Though I'm also sold on resto druid because WG is so strong in raid settings and already by itself causes Rdruid to top the meters. I wonder if that will continue in P2.
@@NOHITJEROME you’re right about priest having an insane toolkit which is fun. But if Resto Druid gets tree of life, absolutely have to go Resto as main
hahahaha that was not clear to me when I researched. wonderful, that is perhaps the best plot twist of the phase. they will be making water 2 at a time for 10 players lol
As Hunter I just want them to give us usable runes... we have the worst rune distribution of all classes (zero choices on all slots, except the last where all choices are equally horrible). I want at LEAST something new to click, and at best something that gives diversity and real choice.
more options, growing your power sideways instead of vertical (sounding like a game designer..) i like it. ie being able to have 2 pets at a much weaker state that can provide debuffs etc. maybe finally exploring some of the potential of survival hunter.
It's a great point Naej. Do you think the ravager axe will be a swap just for trash and then you swap back to your normal wep? I remember doing that EVEN IN TBC lol
SoD is just a repeat of classic if things don't change and after playing era for 5 years straight, most of us are kinda over it. they need to completely rethink things if they really want EVERYONE to be broken, as they said during blizzcon but.. it's blizzard and i just don't see that happening. if i were blizz, i would give everyone all the runes out of the gate. not just the ones they are planning but like.. every spell from most expansions. let people do what they want. it would function like the glyph system. ohh and lastly, they need to add a LOT more trash to make AOE actually worth having
Hi Blasfemy, it's true they are doing things the same way as always. We are going to see warriors dominating the meters for every single phase. And my poor priest will never see the first page of any meters, that's for sure lol. I would like to see your idea - give us EVERYTHING and let us choose and mix and match what we want. There is a pserver similar to that idea that is very popular. Do you think they might end up doing such a thing in future versions of the game?
Nature's grace doesn't work with wrath. A one second cast time is still and 1.5 second gcd. Nature's grace won't do anything for balance dps unless they add a new rune with a longer cast time.
Hi crymorembll I agree on vamp touch. We need reasons to bring spriest because there’s no way damage will carry lol. Anything else on your spriest wishlist? Glad we get dispersion at least
I just feel like no matter what they do spriest is just so far behind in damage..bad spell ranks (swp level 34 ) - they will have to do some drastic buffs. am excited about mind spike though. what do you think about dispersion? I feel like it will really break things in pvp at the very least.
thank you @thetoot555. what class do you plan to play in p2? I hope the tier list doesn't dissuade you from anything. everything is still up in the air
you want chaos bolt to do like 600 damage per cast? I wouldn't mind that either. need more giant nukes with long cast times. it's a fair tradeoff like pyroblast
Gonna be so fun as a hunter main to see how they will nerf hunters to the ground again when they get bestial wrath while warriors will break the meters even more. Sweeping Strikes, Whirlwind, Berserker Stance etc. God forbid making hunters actually fun and competetive and play to their full potential.
it's true they will nerf hunters again and probably leave warriors untouched. but man hunter + runes is just a mistake isn't it? they already would have one of the strongest classes with ZERO runes at 40 and now they get their full pet toolkit online.. if you remove warrior/rogue from the equation I feel like a 0 rune hunter would be nearly top dps next phase if everything else was left unchanged
It just doesn't make any sense to me that instead of nerfing all the fun out of a class that always has been one of the strongest classes in the leveling phase and the weakest in the end phase in vanilla why not make other classes stronger (which they did). I mean the scorpid pet thing was broken I can admit but after that hunters were fine, warriors and rogues already then was stronger or at par. People just whine "hunters being op in pvp) they could just had made the nerfs for pvp and not pve content.
I suppose hunter (and warrior) are flashing red signs that more balance was needed beyond just adding runes. The very best classes hardly need runes to be competitive. Meanwhile casters even with runes cannot hope to keep up. It's just impossible to truly balance the game right now around physical damage dealers. I don't know why they keep nerfing hunters though. It isn't the end of the world if one class is a bit stronger than others during the leveling phase.@@lfgubrs
dual spec..almost forgot about it. would solve a lot of complaints right now. the secret is that you should only be able to swap specs in the city. i don't like dual spec in raids swapping 2 specs every other boss
@@NOHITJEROME you can't stop sweats from being sweats. I'm talking my enhance being able to heal when i want to for example. If people wana min max 2 dps specs then let em tbh
Note about Druid you CAN get wolfshead helm if you level lw and train specialization and then swap after releveling LW This very well should work because of the spec swap
there was apparently a step in wolfshead that cannot be done at 225 cap. hard stops the entire chain. ruclips.net/video/hkeH5K8KyIc/видео.html here's a video on the topic
Indeed. Go dragonscale -> drop lw-> grind up to 200 again -> use the book to swap to tribal without doing the quest chain for it. Ferals will not go LOTP talent. 😊
I thought there was one step in wolfshead that would block this from being possible. But maybe that is not the case. I know druids won't get LOTP,. but wouldn't it be argued that they SHOULD? Imagine 4 physical damage stacks. LOTP is probably more overall damage or close compared to furor@@peterandersson3170
"paladins have one the best AoEs and ST damage, also incredible raid utility.. i will put it in tier B" "rogues can do good ST damage and cant do much aoe damage, except if blizz give them more tools. their utility is also shitty af.. i will put it in tier S" Seriously, at a given point in the video I was wondering if it was some kind of parody of tier list videos
hi vamborala i mostly factored in ST damage but you are not wrong. wtih new runes no question that ret will be blasting. are you going for any big day1 clears? im trying but will see what happen s
i get that u wanna make content for sod, but.. we dont even know what runes we are getting making this list.. a shot in the dark. and in the end the list can be turned on its head with a fart from a dev
i have a theory this will be a more lowkey rune phase, mostly quality of life, but we will see. you are likely correct and it's just a pure shot in the dark. we will see
I like it inxiete, I believe you will be rewarded. Though we all know hunter pets will be broken the first 3 weeks and destroy the balance of the game. Which class do you plan to level first?
we will see henshire. it is possible they will change mechanicals to bleed. though they didn't change baron. do you think they will do anything for mechanical units? or leave them the same.
I love your videos man, but this is basically the current dps rankings. No hot takes? No big predictions? You think its gonna be much of the same? I think blizzard doesnt like the fact casters are thia low. I think casters will be pushed to near warriors with the power of new runes
Hi Giggleslash, I believe in the rankings ending up pretty much the same. Casters will have to be completely reworked with runes or the removal of spell ranks to be relevant. Do you really think they can fix casters with simple runes? If they add Starsurge level runes..it kind of breaks the rest of the game ie PvP
yes exactly. i wonder if blizzard likes that it feels so familiar. they love the balance being exactly like it always was. would be weird if spriest was #1 or something@@Parzival.007
@@NOHITJEROME I mean hunters are the ONLY pure dps class left, so I thought it was fitting that they were #1 dps. I just think too many people cried about them being too overpowered in PVP and they got the nerf hammer way too hard. But it looks like blizzard just wants warriors/rogues to stay on top lol🤦🏽♂️
@@Parzival.007With good reason, Ray Charles could play a hunter and do 200 dps the way they were. Pets doing 400 crit lightning breaths every other attack. Ya seems reasonable.. they will likely normalize your pets if they can’t balance it correctly like last phase.
Doing a DPS Tier list without knowing which runes we'll get in P2 is nonsense, what if they add Seed for lock? Or Starfall? Or bladestorm? This list just can't be accurate until we know the runes
Hi @Tinaintheskywithdiamonds , it's true we don't know if they will add SoC or Starfall or other key spells yet. But it feels to me like a "step back" phase where we will get more quality of life runes..infinite slowfall without reagents..free fortitude..etc. I believe they will add overpowered runes in future phases instead and this will be more of a honing and polishing of the current systems. Otherwise we will be overwhelmed by new options and our rotations will become far too bulky. What do you think they will do next phase for runes?
@@NOHITJEROMElol no dude I like your videos most of the time. But slow fall without reagents and free fortitude? You’re basically wanting minor glyphs as runes? Terrible idea. Please blizzard don’t listen to this guy about that. That would be stupid dude. I’d rather just not have any runes at all if they do that, absolutely pointless. I play a priest and wouldn’t give a sht about free fortitude man wtf lol they need to just reduce mana cost of spells via a rune if anything.
@@NOHITJEROMEsorry dude but that’s a terrible idea. You do realize they can add passive runes as well for the people who might think their rotation is too “bulky”, right? Most of us came into this wanting new fun ability’s to play with, not wotlk 2.0. No one wants minor glyphs from wotlk as runes man, that’s ridiculous. (I play a priest). If anything they should add passive runes for mana back for some casters or reduce the cost of spells with the runes.
@@NOHITJEROME Frost nova is only ever used as a CC, and never for aoe dps, and damage scaling on nova is negligible so no reason to cast the higher levels. Also, I don't understand why you listed frost nova as their aoe damage ability when mages have Living bomb, living flame, or even vanilla spells like arcane explosion
I agree craig but in pvp not pve. I don't see boomkin ever being balanced in pve unless they make starfire insane. need their biggest dps to be a slow cast so it isn't viable in pvp
Turns out he was very wrong with shadow priests. They’re extremely good with aoe and single target. I’m surprised a ele shaman is even on here. Echancement shaman tanks are the only thing thats even allowed in raids. Lol
they tweaked al ot of numbers but i agree very incorrect a bout spriest..can't complain since I have one now. as for ele, they do well on the meters but i still haven't actually seen one in the raid. enhance feels incredible to heal / I assume play at the same time
I hope you are wrong about Balance druids, i hope they nerf the rage of star surge and 10% of its damage but buff both dots and wrath damage cause ppl may cry about star surge but we are still mediocre in terms of dps and next phase will be even laughable compared to what other classes have in their talent trees and spell books. They need to work on balance i dont give a flying fok about feral druid, i play resto / balance since 2004... ITS TIME for this neglected for 20 years specialization to get some love, i dont even talk about being top 3 dps .. but just a little bit better than now, not relying on single spell while everything else is garbage :S
Hi g.g., the problem with boomkin is that it seems unbalanceable. buffing starsurge did nothing in PvE, while making them broken in PvP. the best solution like you said is to cut the range slightly (maybe 30yd), keep the damage, make the class have some more long-term damage to pad the meters with better dots. could also add some old favorites like treants OR pivot and go all in on AoE domination. These raids are easy right? Lean into hurricane + starfall for massacring mob packs. Who cares about boss damage if Boomkin does all the overall raid damage
I wish, they didn't leak any legendary items though. Looks like a lot more epics. Maybe SM will be the raid where we get some legendaries. I was hoping for it too monocerotis
that is true, but can you justify a caster stack with how strong melee will be? boomkin in a caster meta would be 100% required for any raid but not so much in this meta
shaman with WF will be amazing and the most desirable class in the game. aren't you worried the WF shaman will be resto though? do you really believe in the enhance dream? with their big new totem weapon :D
Fire mage is better dps then a arcane mage since arcane mages can go oom so much faster then fire mages so in long fights fire mages are better dps unless its like a 20 sec fight lol
they shouldn't do anything about bleeds/poisons on mech's, other classes have to grin and bear situations that drop their dmg in fights... tough titties lads! crying about... well...the class i picked and wanted to play... *sniffles* doesn't perform as well now because...because... *WAAAAH* the bleeds and poisons don't work ! sobs for a year!
hi kedis, we can still speculate on p2, the balance of power is set and heading towards being solidified. i believe in warrior for example, i don't see anyone dethroning them in p2. what about you? what do you believe will be the best dps classes?
mages, aoe gods, but can they really clear dungeons like ZF next phase without more spell hit? high level dungeons will be a big problem. best they can hope to do is farm sm GY, maybe library
hi Naruto this was before seeing the runes. after seeing the runes mage will definitely be more competitive, though I think warrior will still pancake everyone else. do you think mages will be s tier?
Nice fearmongering, telling people that if they fuck up and pick the wrong class they'll be sidelined LOL its 10m gnomer relax you could take a group full of moonkins and clear just fine
Gonna love hearing "Innervate" from the Mages and getting denied. Feral doing like 3x the dmg even at 40. Best get that milk and cookies rdy Mages, its all that you are good for ^^
hi julian they are speculative to be sure, p2 we don't know the runes yet. but i have a theory it will be a more relaxed phase, more accessory runes. less of the penance or single minded fury level runes
Hi Nizze we will see, they clearly made warrior not as good this phase and that wasn't a terrible call. But will they stick with their guns? We may well see warriors and rogues as broken as ever before
Hahaha 🤣 Priest, mage, paladin tier B ? Shadowpriest 1v1 all class in classic easyyyyyy, mage take massive control in level 40 and in SOD mage have Big Big Big runes ! Paladin kill all in melee with New runes too, u hate Priest again and again, you NEVER playing Priest class
yooo woodchuck, i don't doubt spriest will win all 1v1s at 40. mage will dominate at 40 and paladin will be strong, but this is for pve, for the "levelup raids" which basically are bfd but level 40, will any of those classes really excel? compared to warrior..hunter.. etc
Hi rayflames, i understand the concern, but there is no clickbait here. this is the best tier list based on the current information. Though without runes for p2 yet everything is in the air. Do you think any runes will drastically change the balance of power?
all we know my friend is that warrior will be #1 dps somehow. you are right (jokingly) that we don't know the runes yet. but unless they add something completely broken to hunters (likely) - warriors will be #1 again. which class do you believe will be #1 dflowers?
Fully agree with that thequickleaf, warrior/rogue at the top and nerfs for warrior are inevitable. What do you think can be done about the dominance of physical dps? Have to completely rework caster spell ranks to make them viable.
Thanks rumbleshakes, already switching it up a bit. Hope you have a good day and don't end up with too bad of a headache :D Are you nearly ready for P2 on the 8th?
That's the dream though and exactly what I want to have. One of every class at level 25 and ready to go. I'd do Priest first (biased) and then most likely Shaman so I can heal more runs. Though I want to experience warrior at 40 with MS. What will you level first?
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Which class do you think will perform best in Gnomeregan?
Warrior will just get stronger!!!
yes..probably should have just all agreed: NO RUNES for warrior or hunter. then they would remain balanced while everyone else was still worse@@radioreplay
WarLOCK! Wooo!
warlock will perform the best as a caster 100000%. especially if they add seed..my god. but man warrior just looks to be scaling better unless they get nerfed. hmm@@Shinobuu22
lol, thx for the quote :) u could also make a video, looking at the warcraftlogs for hunters - somehow, when u search dps tiers for marksman, it sounds like marksman(MM spec) is very good. when u actually look at the players it turns out they are infact BM with melee weaving - im so tired of videos quoting this and claiming the marksman hunter is the meta for hunters in pve raids. its not true at all. marksman has lethal shots, and can use, will use aimed shot as an opener and chimera as a filler. he has master marksman rune, yea (thats what the logs look at) but all hunters use that if they can. (no one uses aimed other than as a precast as its far to weak in SoD pve)
and yea, warrior will be the dps class. the others play support or healing. im prob changing mains, even tho not being hunter has been so booring that i ended up stopping in classic.
We don't know which class is good or not because we don't know how good the new runes will be.
this may end up being inaccurate but the theory is this will be a more maintenance/convenience phase for runes with things like free fortitude, free brez, etc. small things
@NOHITJEROME as a Rogue main I'm not too certain on our dps with both our poisons and bleeds not working. Maybe we will get some passive rune to allow them to work on bosses or Blizz will do a QoL change.
At first I thought they might just make mechanicals no longer have the mechanical unit flag so they work normally with bleeds. But baron is immune to a bunch of things and nobody seems to notice, so I do wonder. Have to imagine blizzard would rather the game be fun than scientifically accurate lol
No shittttt brother . It’s theorycrafting at this point. There’s no fresh content to make vids on at this point so it turns to speculation.
@@NOHITJEROMEwhy would they change mechanical enemies now ? 😂 it’s been like that forever, I don’t think they care about making it fun
I love how priest got a B rank, but they are absolutely destroying gnomer rn
its true but they made a lot of changes since this, there is no doubt tier lists pre patch are volatile at this point..rip
again my priest dream turned to dust.... thanks blizzard . just dinged 40 so ill quit again until phase 3 and see if shadow if any good then. if not might aswell just quit sod...
shadow is INSANE and very broken..get in there my friend. this is the time chukky go go go :D let me know how it goes when you hit 40
If boomie doesn’t get nerfed a bit they are going to be ridiculous.
they are 100% getting nerfed. most annoying way to die right now lol. shadow word death isn't far behind
Fury is going to be unstoppable. Great video!
agreed hammerdance, thank you. what will your main be in p2?
Jerome where in the world do you find all of your stock WoW video/ animated clips that plays over your commentary? Your videos are seriously top tier!
Agreed!
Thank you Chris, I've maintained a bank of every WoW/Hearthstone trailer I can find. Say what you want about blizzard but their trailers are unparalleled. By the way, have you made your plans for P2 yet? I will guess you are leaning warrior or hunter
The editing is hella good 10/10
Where do i get this spreadsheet? I only find the ERA sheet and when i google the filename it doesnt result in anything useful
hi which spreadsheet? simonize dps sheet? docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wQX9WvbeBFPkXq7grp9zR8LiZ5st8aSD/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=116267767564171824509&rtpof=true&sd=true
@@NOHITJEROME ty
I’m going with my rogue and shaman tank. Shaman tanking will get even better next phase even now it’s the preferred tank by far in BFD
Shaman tanking is going to be such a dream in gnomeregan. They already said it will be an easy/levelup raid. That means there is no point in a warrior or even feral. Shaman will just continue doing what they already did but better As for rogue..have fun. They will be the most broken pvp class in the phase (imo)
For warriors, imp cleave is a noob trap. It only buffs the BONUS damage modifier which is something like single digits?
you are right and cleave in general is such a rage dump. can easily end up rage starved if you spam cleave. probably won't get as much use as I expected in p2
Its going to highly depend on gear available, runes that change things up, and boss/mobs immunities. With those being unknown I would say Fury Warrior, Combat rogue, and Arcane mage are going to be S tier. Hybrids could be amazing and extremely fun to play but will depend on the aforementioned factors.
hi bblinson, you are correct to say that it will depend on gear available. runes I believe will be more accessory/basic this phase to slow down the power creep. as for immunities, it feels likely they will keep the mechanicals the same as before. they didn't change baron even though they should have. Fury, combat rogue will both b S tier I believe, it is the correct take. arcane might be copium, are you watching too many frostadamus videos? (:D ) what makes you believe in arcane?
Warrior for pvp wil be worst maybe for pve😂
Thats going to depend on possible changes to raids allowing bleeds etc. We will see! Warrior has always been exceptional in both pvp and pve but it will be fun to see what happens.@@armandovercouteren7638
I'm going hybrid balance/resto with my druid P2, and I suspect it will do well in both PVE and PVP ^_^ Bonus is that it's fun!
Safe bet is warrior. Blizzard refuses to let them not be #1.
i wonder why./ all blizz employes must enjoy the gameplay
Survival being completely slept on, 35% agi with lion and maybe expose weakness as a new rune, and 30% stam for pvp . Might be competitive with MM and will be bis melee weave
Survival is definitely being slept on, but mostly because BM (bestial wrath) and MM (trueshot aura) - by comparison it's hard to beat those two things. In PvP with traps and defensives like you mention..surv will be absolutely disgusting.
Used to love playing surv back in 2019 trapping BRm, it will be even more fun in AB slowing down entire armies of players to a crawl. Ahh good times :D.
As for melee weaving, do you want to see melee hunter explored further? Or simply melee weaving being more relevant in general.
@@NOHITJEROME it's gonna be nasty if raptor/flank/mongoose gets buffed at all. The weave god shines down upon us
Nasty is right, to the point where melee weaving will no longer be weaving. Just melee hunters chasing everyone down with frightening speed and agility and 500 damage per swing. Would you like that? Melee hunter p2
Totally neglected not just one, but two new aimed shot ranks for MM that might make aimed shot finally not be a 3sec cast autoshot anymore. Rank1 adds 70 damage, meanwhile rank3 that's available in phase 2 adds +200 damage on top of weapon damage for aimed shot. Runes will have a huge impact on bm vs mm though, but if a very slow weapon is available from the raid and possibly something like lock and load added through runes, MM may crank quite hard.
I think this will be a caster meta because in gnomergan there is a lot of elemental and mechanical mobs so you cant put bleed or posion
Hi Thask, I think you are right. At first I would have assumed they would change mechanical units to bleed, but they didn't do that with Baron. Caster meta would be excellent, boomkin, destro, fire mages...sounds good to me. Would you prefer a caster meta or that they change mechanicals?
If the bosses in gnomer stay mech rogues and warriors will likely have to find different talent setups, however due to spell rank they will still likely be best. The problem is that if casters ever catch up to melee in pve they will obliterate melee in pvp
it's true, even as mechanical war/rogue will find a way. spell ranks mean casters can never truly catch up in pve. my god imagine if casters got on the level of melee in pve. the boomkins would be doing 600 dps :D
So stoked for Phase 2. I have 5 25's and really struggling with who to main, but I think it's going to be Warrior and Enhance Sham. But I hope that 2h enhance gets some love with a new rune that is a weapon ability.
Enhance will be much much better than they were before, but for my shaman it will be hard to stay away from ele and of course resto shaman just for speedruns. Warrior will get top billing for DPS there is no question, I think maining warrior in a warrior cleave group 25-40 might be a smart move and then you can be the first to get geared out.
Just hoping that Gnomer has some 1h ax es and/or maces that will fair well for enhance. right now their pre bis options just don't compare to rogue/warrior/feral... especially for offhand
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@@thedeceasedband I believe that is one thing we can be certain of - they will give us plenty of item options for all types of specs. I think you will get your 1h axes no problem
2h sham ftw
in PVP for sure! I hope they add one or two runes that makes 2h sham viable in pve@@joshuaintheheartland8783 There is room for 2h runes on both hands and chest.. being that both slots have runes that synergize for DW and tanking, I'm hoping we get 2 new runes that synergize for those slots for 2h.
what do you think about warlock now that the runes are revealed?
i am cautiously optimistic. I think they will be the dueling gods but not sure they will bring it in raids. destro will for sure , probably top caster. affliction and tank lock? not so sure. what do you think?
I dont think people understand that now shamans will get double windfury weapon and eles chain lightnings overload 50%. Pvp gonnna be awesome
that's awesome, but they may also be the best healers too. overload simply may end up being too overpowered at 40 in all cases, we have to wait and see
@@NOHITJEROME Chain Heal learned at 40 and Overload works with it. Yeah, I'd say there is a decent chance they'll be best healers.
Thank you for the insight and food for thought Big J
Appreciate you Drakanstein, without knowing if we will get key runes like seed it's hard to be 100% accurate, but what do you think? What will be the #1 class next phase?
That's a tough call to be honest.
I think you did a great job of compiling and studying classes, to give us a good idea of what's to come. I think the "powers at be" behind the curtain are taking notes on this first phase, and I hope to see that no class in particular is singled out - that each class can be useful in a way (more so than the past).
I can only imagine the effort it takes to implement balance in a complex experience such as WoW.. Even I have gone out of my comfort zone to experiment with classes/races I'm not used to. I love warrior, rogue, and hunter.. but one Tuesday reset and the next thing we know it might be a different class crowned king! Guess we'll just have to wait and see X)
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I see blizzard taking notes behind the scene too, perhaps like an eye of sauron. The question becomes what they can actually DO to fix some balancing issues. IE boomkin is unbalanceable right now - they tried with Starsurge and it failed and the class is still weak in PvE. Some classes will full on need new talent tree reworks. I'm glad you have gone out of your comfort zone, I planned to do that originally and fell off my plan. Now I want to do back to to that plan and play 1 of each class, I hope it is not too late..
glad to hear you are feeling better :D
much better, thank you very much for noticing
hunters were the undeniable winners of Phase 1, i was stomping on everything and god, did hunters deserve some love after classic.
It was awesome. I hope i'll have some time to play phase 2 because it's all looking extremely exciting and fun from what I can see the last few days
Elemental shaman, the buff to elemental mastery, high rank spells, 100% crit damage, high mana pool from shamanist rage. Its going to be crazy!
Did you see the news abraham? Enhance looks insane now, maybe even better than ele
@@NOHITJEROMEthere’s no way enhance will be better then ele. I know enhance LOOKS nice. Nothing beats ele talent tree. 100% crit bonus is just nasty. Tell me one talent that is better then ele in enhance? There’s nothing. Not even one talent worth picking.
@@double_joseph327 i actually think enhance will do really well and probably beat ele, our new runes pretty much does F all for us and its disappointing AF...
@@TheMessiah1337 overload 100% crit damage buff to lava burst does nothing?!?
@@double_joseph327 i mentioned runes not the talents lol
@NOHITJEROME what u think about afflic lock? better than shaman enh?
I am not entirely sold And_FPJ, the big problem being the Corruption is at level 34 and you don't get a new rank until 42. But the new runes look incredible, just a lot of nice power increases. ie Pandemic. I think Destro will be stronger though, what do you think?
@@NOHITJEROME have no clue. I dont know if i go afflic lock or enhac shaman thats my problem.
I hope you make a video like this for both tank and healing
it's a good idea, will investigate the healer/tank situations.
healer seems simple to me though. priest is still the god shooting laser beams out of their eyes.
though shaman may overtake them in p2. what do you think will happen?
@@NOHITJEROME I agree that shaman might take over, but hps wise priest might be able to pull the highest logs with PoM. But most groups probably want homunculi.
I am excited to see if resto druids will actually start using some of their healing runes.
what about demon pets warlock build , will be it good?
it will be very good, already players use pets in duels, sl/sl is very strong. but it is for pvp,. not so much pve
Do a healing tier list for phase 2 next!
would love to. hate to say shaman is way too high on the list...need to make my shaman before phase 2. also good luck this weekend, we all hate the 49ers
@@NOHITJEROME I’m stilling trying to figure out if I should main Resto Druid or priest. Both so much fun, probably will wait to find out which runes come out next. Thanks man!! Really hope we can pull out the W
Priest is going to be in an incredible state next phase. With POM / penanace..shields..your full toolkit too. Though I'm also sold on resto druid because WG is so strong in raid settings and already by itself causes Rdruid to top the meters. I wonder if that will continue in P2.
@@NOHITJEROME you’re right about priest having an insane toolkit which is fun. But if Resto Druid gets tree of life, absolutely have to go Resto as main
tree of life is all I want. unsappable, would feel so incredible in AB. my god I want tol in ab
Yes mage gets max rank water but the first level you train conjure it only crafts 2 at a time lol
hahahaha that was not clear to me when I researched. wonderful, that is perhaps the best plot twist of the phase. they will be making water 2 at a time for 10 players lol
Troll bezerking!!!!
Go in bg
where can i find that sim spreadsheet ??
simonize has it drive.google.com/drive/folders/1yymRVs-YZzrZU8-_BDmB1R9C8agpbgpP?usp=sharing check it out - is this what you are looking for 1992Oxy?
As Hunter I just want them to give us usable runes... we have the worst rune distribution of all classes (zero choices on all slots, except the last where all choices are equally horrible). I want at LEAST something new to click, and at best something that gives diversity and real choice.
more options, growing your power sideways instead of vertical (sounding like a game designer..) i like it. ie being able to have 2 pets at a much weaker state that can provide debuffs etc. maybe finally exploring some of the potential of survival hunter.
You may want to add that Warriors and Paladins will have the Ravager axe from the Scarlet Monastery, making them actual AoE gods
It's a great point Naej. Do you think the ravager axe will be a swap just for trash and then you swap back to your normal wep? I remember doing that EVEN IN TBC lol
Ret pallies are gonna go deep holy, you heard it here first.
can you explain the reasoning on that? consecration is one
Enhance shaman will be good if the fights are short like BFD. A new rune that gives Bloodlust would be huge!
bloodlust rune...ahhh. picking 1 fight per raid to parse per week. love it and also hate it
SoD is just a repeat of classic if things don't change and after playing era for 5 years straight, most of us are kinda over it. they need to completely rethink things if they really want EVERYONE to be broken, as they said during blizzcon but.. it's blizzard and i just don't see that happening.
if i were blizz, i would give everyone all the runes out of the gate. not just the ones they are planning but like.. every spell from most expansions. let people do what they want. it would function like the glyph system. ohh and lastly, they need to add a LOT more trash to make AOE actually worth having
Hi Blasfemy, it's true they are doing things the same way as always. We are going to see warriors dominating the meters for every single phase.
And my poor priest will never see the first page of any meters, that's for sure lol.
I would like to see your idea - give us EVERYTHING and let us choose and mix and match what we want.
There is a pserver similar to that idea that is very popular. Do you think they might end up doing such a thing in future versions of the game?
Good thing the 1-25 bracket in P2 will be significantly quicker, so your hypothetical "sitting on the sidelines" is much less of a factor. 😂
50% xp boost already active great point centrifuze. are you taking advantage of it? I may or may not be standing in rfc right now..lol
Well, this aged like milk.
they kinda changed everything to be the opposite of what it was before, i guess we should account for that. f
@@NOHITJEROMEmuch love
You forgot to mention Nature's Grace. Balance druids might be S Tier single target if we can stack enough int / crit.
Nature's grace doesn't work with wrath. A one second cast time is still and 1.5 second gcd. Nature's grace won't do anything for balance dps unless they add a new rune with a longer cast time.
Did you see they are getting eclipse too? Druids look even stronger..it's going to be silly.
Well they just added eclipse..looks like druid will be even better now.
@@NOHITJEROME Really?! If we are getting Eclipse I'm rerolling Feral or Resto - that's it!
Eclipse will add crit% to Starsurge as well ;)
I want vampiric touch for shp so bad, at least there will be a reason to pick a shp in to raid
Hi crymorembll I agree on vamp touch. We need reasons to bring spriest because there’s no way damage will carry lol. Anything else on your spriest wishlist? Glad we get dispersion at least
Free Mind Flay would be nice 😊
Im not sure Spriest will be that bad, mind spike is going to be solid.
I just feel like no matter what they do spriest is just so far behind in damage..bad spell ranks (swp level 34 ) - they will have to do some drastic buffs. am excited about mind spike though.
what do you think about dispersion? I feel like it will really break things in pvp at the very least.
This is a really nice video
thank you @thetoot555. what class do you plan to play in p2? I hope the tier list doesn't dissuade you from anything. everything is still up in the air
I want my gear to put chaos bolt back at my #1 dps spell like how it is in retail with proper gear
you want chaos bolt to do like 600 damage per cast? I wouldn't mind that either. need more giant nukes with long cast times. it's a fair tradeoff like pyroblast
Gonna be so fun as a hunter main to see how they will nerf hunters to the ground again when they get bestial wrath while warriors will break the meters even more. Sweeping Strikes, Whirlwind, Berserker Stance etc. God forbid making hunters actually fun and competetive and play to their full potential.
it's true they will nerf hunters again and probably leave warriors untouched. but man hunter + runes is just a mistake isn't it? they already would have one of the strongest classes with ZERO runes at 40 and now they get their full pet toolkit online.. if you remove warrior/rogue from the equation I feel like a 0 rune hunter would be nearly top dps next phase if everything else was left unchanged
It just doesn't make any sense to me that instead of nerfing all the fun out of a class that always has been one of the strongest classes in the leveling phase and the weakest in the end phase in vanilla why not make other classes stronger (which they did). I mean the scorpid pet thing was broken I can admit but after that hunters were fine, warriors and rogues already then was stronger or at par. People just whine "hunters being op in pvp) they could just had made the nerfs for pvp and not pve content.
I suppose hunter (and warrior) are flashing red signs that more balance was needed beyond just adding runes. The very best classes hardly need runes to be competitive. Meanwhile casters even with runes cannot hope to keep up. It's just impossible to truly balance the game right now around physical damage dealers. I don't know why they keep nerfing hunters though. It isn't the end of the world if one class is a bit stronger than others during the leveling phase.@@lfgubrs
unpopular opinion i don't care what the best dps is i always lvl all my favorites. I just want dual spec or i'll prob play way less in s2
dual spec..almost forgot about it. would solve a lot of complaints right now. the secret is that you should only be able to swap specs in the city. i don't like dual spec in raids swapping 2 specs every other boss
@@NOHITJEROME you can't stop sweats from being sweats. I'm talking my enhance being able to heal when i want to for example. If people wana min max 2 dps specs then let em tbh
Note about Druid you CAN get wolfshead helm if you level lw and train specialization and then swap after releveling LW
This very well should work because of the spec swap
there was apparently a step in wolfshead that cannot be done at 225 cap. hard stops the entire chain. ruclips.net/video/hkeH5K8KyIc/видео.html here's a video on the topic
you can go dragonscale lw and swap to tribal @@NOHITJEROME
Indeed. Go dragonscale -> drop lw-> grind up to 200 again -> use the book to swap to tribal without doing the quest chain for it.
Ferals will not go LOTP talent. 😊
I thought there was one step in wolfshead that would block this from being possible. But maybe that is not the case. I know druids won't get LOTP,. but wouldn't it be argued that they SHOULD? Imagine 4 physical damage stacks. LOTP is probably more overall damage or close compared to furor@@peterandersson3170
Mage and Warlock will be S Tier in endgame 100% they scale way too good best casters at lvl 60 they will top dps meters for sure.
I believe you are right at 60. But what about 40-59? Won't they struggle with low spell ranks compared to rogue and warrior?
Well, looks like i did good! Warrior, hunter, rogue, and druid are all the classes i have at 25. And plan to get to 40. And 50, and 60.
"paladins have one the best AoEs and ST damage, also incredible raid utility.. i will put it in tier B"
"rogues can do good ST damage and cant do much aoe damage, except if blizz give them more tools. their utility is also shitty af.. i will put it in tier S"
Seriously, at a given point in the video I was wondering if it was some kind of parody of tier list videos
hi vamborala i mostly factored in ST damage but you are not wrong. wtih new runes no question that ret will be blasting. are you going for any big day1 clears? im trying but will see what happen s
Great video my friend!
Always so impressed w the content you bring out
thanks a lot @kidspecial9812, hope you've been having a great time in SOD / p2 waiting room :D
i get that u wanna make content for sod, but.. we dont even know what runes we are getting making this list.. a shot in the dark. and in the end the list can be turned on its head with a fart from a dev
i have a theory this will be a more lowkey rune phase, mostly quality of life, but we will see. you are likely correct and it's just a pure shot in the dark. we will see
Well they did indeed get fan of knives xD
No FoK but they got shuriken toss, that's pretty much better imo. FOK would be overkill this phase don't you say?
O true. Saw the strike 4 other targets and figured it wasnt toss. either way, fat come up for rogues.
I got 3 s-tiers ready to go.. legoooooo
I like it inxiete, I believe you will be rewarded. Though we all know hunter pets will be broken the first 3 weeks and destroy the balance of the game. Which class do you plan to level first?
that new frost nova rank gonna make all the difference
it's the only thing mages needed..(lol)
Will be rolling Ret and Arms
Good choices cryttanz, arms will be the most fun spec in p2 imo. next to spriest (for pvp) and boomkin if they keep being strong
I don't know how well rogues are going to do vs mechanicals
we will have to see if they change the mechanical unit types or keep them the same
Im so sick of warriors breaking meters. Bust them down for once.
you are in luck jake :D we are about to see HUNTERS dominate the meters with their broken pets..ahh waiting for nerf
deepwound and rend vs mechanical.. immunes.. i think ll be Bloodthirs top pve dps
we will see henshire. it is possible they will change mechanicals to bleed. though they didn't change baron. do you think they will do anything for mechanical units? or leave them the same.
I love your videos man, but this is basically the current dps rankings. No hot takes? No big predictions? You think its gonna be much of the same? I think blizzard doesnt like the fact casters are thia low. I think casters will be pushed to near warriors with the power of new runes
Hi Giggleslash, I believe in the rankings ending up pretty much the same.
Casters will have to be completely reworked with runes or the removal of spell ranks to be relevant.
Do you really think they can fix casters with simple runes? If they add Starsurge level runes..it kind of breaks the rest of the game ie PvP
I can’t wait for 6 new hunter nerfs, soon to come in phase 2 of SoD!
there will be hunter nerfs, level 40 hunter will be broken again. even without runes it is so strong
@@NOHITJEROME SoD is just vanilla re-release 😂🤣 it’s warriors & rogues at the top each and every phase 👍🏽
yes exactly. i wonder if blizzard likes that it feels so familiar. they love the balance being exactly like it always was. would be weird if spriest was #1 or something@@Parzival.007
@@NOHITJEROME I mean hunters are the ONLY pure dps class left, so I thought it was fitting that they were #1 dps. I just think too many people cried about them being too overpowered in PVP and they got the nerf hammer way too hard. But it looks like blizzard just wants warriors/rogues to stay on top lol🤦🏽♂️
@@Parzival.007With good reason, Ray Charles could play a hunter and do 200 dps the way they were. Pets doing 400 crit lightning breaths every other attack. Ya seems reasonable.. they will likely normalize your pets if they can’t balance it correctly like last phase.
Warrior S Tier P1-2-3-4 ez
I wish this was not the case SqueeGodX. I see no path for balance where warrior is anything but #1 in every upcoming phase. It is a flaw of SOD
Doing a DPS Tier list without knowing which runes we'll get in P2 is nonsense, what if they add Seed for lock? Or Starfall? Or bladestorm? This list just can't be accurate until we know the runes
Hi @Tinaintheskywithdiamonds , it's true we don't know if they will add SoC or Starfall or other key spells yet. But it feels to me like a "step back" phase where we will get more quality of life runes..infinite slowfall without reagents..free fortitude..etc. I believe they will add overpowered runes in future phases instead and this will be more of a honing and polishing of the current systems. Otherwise we will be overwhelmed by new options and our rotations will become far too bulky. What do you think they will do next phase for runes?
@@NOHITJEROMElol no dude I like your videos most of the time. But slow fall without reagents and free fortitude? You’re basically wanting minor glyphs as runes? Terrible idea. Please blizzard don’t listen to this guy about that. That would be stupid dude. I’d rather just not have any runes at all if they do that, absolutely pointless. I play a priest and wouldn’t give a sht about free fortitude man wtf lol they need to just reduce mana cost of spells via a rune if anything.
@@NOHITJEROMEonly way your ever going to be overwhelmed by 3 extra rune slots is if you’re brain dead.. is that you man?
@@NOHITJEROMEsorry dude but that’s a terrible idea. You do realize they can add passive runes as well for the people who might think their rotation is too “bulky”, right? Most of us came into this wanting new fun ability’s to play with, not wotlk 2.0. No one wants minor glyphs from wotlk as runes man, that’s ridiculous. (I play a priest). If anything they should add passive runes for mana back for some casters or reduce the cost of spells with the runes.
Fire Mage S Tier!! No way is it B tier??!
fire mage just gets outclassed by physical dps don't they? I don't see fire getting above b
With Respect mages shouldn't ever use any other rank of frost nova besides 1
why is that mckay? just for mana conservation? I did not know that, thank you.
@@NOHITJEROME Frost nova is only ever used as a CC, and never for aoe dps, and damage scaling on nova is negligible so no reason to cast the higher levels. Also, I don't understand why you listed frost nova as their aoe damage ability when mages have Living bomb, living flame, or even vanilla spells like arcane explosion
@@NOHITJEROME yeah the damage is negligible, and the cc is the same from rank 1 to max.
Boomkin is gonna slap in phase 2
I agree craig but in pvp not pve. I don't see boomkin ever being balanced in pve unless they make starfire insane. need their biggest dps to be a slow cast so it isn't viable in pvp
Turns out he was very wrong with shadow priests. They’re extremely good with aoe and single target. I’m surprised a ele shaman is even on here. Echancement shaman tanks are the only thing thats even allowed in raids. Lol
they tweaked al ot of numbers but i agree very incorrect a bout spriest..can't complain since I have one now. as for ele, they do well on the meters but i still haven't actually seen one in the raid. enhance feels incredible to heal / I assume play at the same time
I hope you are wrong about Balance druids, i hope they nerf the rage of star surge and 10% of its damage but buff both dots and wrath damage cause ppl may cry about star surge but we are still mediocre in terms of dps and next phase will be even laughable compared to what other classes have in their talent trees and spell books. They need to work on balance i dont give a flying fok about feral druid, i play resto / balance since 2004... ITS TIME for this neglected for 20 years specialization to get some love, i dont even talk about being top 3 dps .. but just a little bit better than now, not relying on single spell while everything else is garbage :S
Hi g.g., the problem with boomkin is that it seems unbalanceable. buffing starsurge did nothing in PvE, while making them broken in PvP. the best solution like you said is to cut the range slightly (maybe 30yd), keep the damage, make the class have some more long-term damage to pad the meters with better dots. could also add some old favorites like treants OR pivot and go all in on AoE domination. These raids are easy right? Lean into hurricane + starfall for massacring mob packs. Who cares about boss damage if Boomkin does all the overall raid damage
Maybe gnomeregan dropping "Legendary items ? =)
I wish, they didn't leak any legendary items though. Looks like a lot more epics. Maybe SM will be the raid where we get some legendaries. I was hoping for it too monocerotis
Blade FLURRY* not fury. *pushes glasses up*
This was great. Unique and personable gold guide. I like the dusk wood farms too.
thanks a lot jonas, duskwood worgen farms are my favorite by far. hard to beat the chance at greens/blues
Boomkins give 3% spell crit which will help all casters healers and dps.
that is true, but can you justify a caster stack with how strong melee will be? boomkin in a caster meta would be 100% required for any raid but not so much in this meta
ANd fater whn see shaman dmg with widnfury you will be changed this tier list
shaman with WF will be amazing and the most desirable class in the game. aren't you worried the WF shaman will be resto though? do you really believe in the enhance dream? with their big new totem weapon :D
Fire mage is better dps then a arcane mage since arcane mages can go oom so much faster then fire mages so in long fights fire mages are better dps unless its like a 20 sec fight lol
Just play whatever the fuck you want lol
I’ll also stomp other dps with pally.
whatever you want as long as it's melee imo. can see warriors dominating again
ret will slap but you are melee. i don't believe in casters much this next phase but that's just my take
they shouldn't do anything about bleeds/poisons on mech's, other classes have to grin and bear situations that drop their dmg in fights... tough titties lads! crying about... well...the class i picked and wanted to play... *sniffles* doesn't perform as well now because...because... *WAAAAH* the bleeds and poisons don't work ! sobs for a year!
This vídeo was conceptually garbage before it was even made. The actual content just makes it even more so
hi kedis, we can still speculate on p2, the balance of power is set and heading towards being solidified. i believe in warrior for example, i don't see anyone dethroning them in p2. what about you? what do you believe will be the best dps classes?
I can't wait to pump gnomeregan😎
i can't wait to pump gnomeregan too, we need to pump out all the toxic fumes so we can start moving back in. rent prices are ROCK bottom right now
know your place mages are the aoe gods
mages, aoe gods, but can they really clear dungeons like ZF next phase without more spell hit? high level dungeons will be a big problem. best they can hope to do is farm sm GY, maybe library
I dont think warriors arw gonna drop off to bottom
mages B tier with hotstreak? goodluck
hi Naruto this was before seeing the runes. after seeing the runes mage will definitely be more competitive, though I think warrior will still pancake everyone else. do you think mages will be s tier?
Warrior DPS.. LOOK OUT!!
warrior dps..it's a problem. soon to receive 6 nerfs back to back
@@NOHITJEROME ohh nooo :(
or maybe they'll just be allowed to do 2000 dps..devs seem to all play warrior anyways :D
Nice fearmongering, telling people that if they fuck up and pick the wrong class they'll be sidelined LOL its 10m gnomer relax you could take a group full of moonkins and clear just fine
You need D tier bro for more precise list maybe? :)
i cut a few out of the c tier. felt like walking into a hornets nest. i had priest and mage in c originally. what would go in D?
Gonna love hearing "Innervate" from the Mages and getting denied. Feral doing like 3x the dmg even at 40. Best get that milk and cookies rdy Mages, its all that you are good for ^^
that innervate is reserved for ME on priest :D i cannot wait, thank you in advance easycake
@@NOHITJEROME Priest is fine. But those blue bastards ? No !
Lol little early for tier list no? I respect the SEO grind though
never too early, it is phase 2 jfjf, we must get ready. i am already camped out outside the blizzard HQ ready for phase 2. are you ready?
So………….there is no tier cuz there’s no solid info lol
now the info is here, what do you think? looks like warrior will still be broken
Bis Jerome
bis strike
Those Videos before p2 Launch are simply clickbait!
hi julian they are speculative to be sure, p2 we don't know the runes yet. but i have a theory it will be a more relaxed phase, more accessory runes. less of the penance or single minded fury level runes
Shaman 2h!!
you really want it joshua? maybe they will add a nice 2h for enh in p2
Totally inaccurate after we saw the runes
Hi Nizze we will see, they clearly made warrior not as good this phase and that wasn't a terrible call. But will they stick with their guns? We may well see warriors and rogues as broken as ever before
Mage b tier....lol
hmmm with hot streak maybe a tier..still don't see them outdpsing warriors - do you?
@@NOHITJEROME 2 mage with rolling ignites
Hahaha 🤣 Priest, mage, paladin tier B ?
Shadowpriest 1v1 all class in classic easyyyyyy, mage take massive control in level 40 and in SOD mage have Big Big Big runes ! Paladin kill all in melee with New runes too, u hate Priest again and again, you NEVER playing Priest class
yooo woodchuck, i don't doubt spriest will win all 1v1s at 40. mage will dominate at 40 and paladin will be strong, but this is for pve, for the "levelup raids" which basically are bfd but level 40, will any of those classes really excel? compared to warrior..hunter.. etc
didnt watch the video, but i did dislike it because i hate clickbait
Hi rayflames, i understand the concern, but there is no clickbait here. this is the best tier list based on the current information.
Though without runes for p2 yet everything is in the air. Do you think any runes will drastically change the balance of power?
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all we know my friend is that warrior will be #1 dps somehow. you are right (jokingly) that we don't know the runes yet. but unless they add something completely broken to hunters (likely) - warriors will be #1 again. which class do you believe will be #1 dflowers?
Warrior or Rogue will be the main alpha DPS dog in phase2 imo and probably nerfs incoming after first week!
Fully agree with that thequickleaf, warrior/rogue at the top and nerfs for warrior are inevitable. What do you think can be done about the dominance of physical dps? Have to completely rework caster spell ranks to make them viable.
Don't do so much of that text slap. It's giving me a headache.
Thanks rumbleshakes, already switching it up a bit. Hope you have a good day and don't end up with too bad of a headache :D Are you nearly ready for P2 on the 8th?
@@NOHITJEROME I have 10 25's that I'm debating what to level first, second, etc... lots happening in real life, too haha
That's the dream though and exactly what I want to have. One of every class at level 25 and ready to go. I'd do Priest first (biased) and then most likely Shaman so I can heal more runs. Though I want to experience warrior at 40 with MS. What will you level first?