Repairing This 45 Year Old Decapod Stumped Me For A Bit!
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- A Beautiful channel donation to add to the Tyco / Mantua collection. Thought it would be a quick lube and service to get her back on the rails, But ended up having more problems deep inside. Follow along on how I got this Classic from 1979 running the rails again.
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Half of the entertainment value of your videos is your comedic chops. The reading of the instructions at double speed had me in stitches. Great job, Ron!
Them instructions were about useless :-)
Denise Richards-Charlie Sheen’s ex and the mother of his kids. She’s a looker and a Bond girl! I have a number of Mantua steamers for my fictional railroad. I bought them over time retail and eBay. I also bought the various tenders to assure a “family” look among the locos. The big locos get the long haul tenders, the local locos get the shorter tenders and, of course, the switchers get the shortie switchers tenders. Then, I figured out how much coal the tender would carry and how much the various locos would burn and calculated how frequently I had to locate my water towers and coaling stations to simulate the stops the locos and trains had to make to add some “realism” to my train schedules. Like you, my 2-10-0 is my heavy drag loco for the coal mines to power plants. Great video, btw. I always enjoy watching you repair and restore Mantua locos!
I like the way you think and the number crunching you did to make your RR 1 more better!!!
As far as “beginner” train set locomotives were concerned, Mantua, their predecessor Mantua/Tyco the steam locomotives showed more care in engineering than some other manufacturers. The use of lead alloys for the chassis was prevalent in most models, however Mantua/Tyco and later Mantua used brass axle bearings in the axil slots instead of running the steel axles directly on the alloy frame, ensuring a longer running life. I’m glad you were able to get this classic back on the rails. As a side note, I think Mantua/Tyco must have used that motor in every steam locomotive they made. I have a “General”, and three of the “Roger’s 4-6-0’s all with the same motor.
Yup, thats there go to motor for all things steam
Late Tyco runs of these steam locomotives omitted the brass axle bearings for cost cutting measures. All Mantua/Tyco locomotives prior to the Powertorque used this motor, the diesels just had a different frame but same armature and brushes. Some Mantua diesels in their last few years had can motors.
Ron, Great job as usual along with the comedy and sound effects for spraying paint and Dremel tool sound .
Thanks!
Keep on Working On them Ron.👍👍👍👍.
Funny Ron I have a wash machine in my dirty kitchen next to my Lionel layout and a maid who sleeps back there too so you got nothing on me buddy Love your mistory
model Not many round eye girls here but I would not trade my Asawa for any other She is a Philippine sweetie 😊
Thanks
You are doing great work! Thank you!
thank you :-)
Another great video Ron. Many thanks, Gordon
Thank you Gordon!
Great job! I started watching this a while back and just finished it today. I have a Tyco Mantua Mikado and a Pacific. They’ve been giving me fits to get them running. Keeping my 60’s era Tyco stuff running is a challenge. I’ve really enjoyed your videos!
Thanks for your kind words. I have video's on both the Mikado and the Pacific. I hope yours quits giving you troubles and becomes the great runners I know they can be.
I don't even have to watch this to know that yes, it will run again. When it comes to getting old Mantuas running, I'm batting 1000. As long as all of the parts are there, it will run. It should be child's play for Ron.
If it wasn't for that burned out motor this would have been a walk in the park
As usual, another interesting and entertaining video.
Thanks Richard!
Kit or RTR probably explains the difference between decapod and Mikado and the Pacific boiler. Decapod and Mikado were part of the Mantua resurgence in the 80s and 90s and the Pacific was a Mantua,Mantua/Tyco,back to Mantua evergreen. Never good to have a steam engine with an unintended momentary smoke unit.
Oh yes the cheater headset had þo surrender to the ravages of age when I realized the eyesight I had painting dashboard detail at 20 something I didn't have anymore at 60.
Am really glad the algorithm decided to drop your channel in my feed and become a tie with that young Canadian feller for my favorite model railroad RUclipsr.
I'm glad the algorithm served up my channel to you as well. loved the "unintended momentary smoke unit" comment. made me laugh :-)
Great job as always Ron!!
Thank you Joshua
Mantua was a hodge podge builder. Notice all three have the same undersized cab. The cab is from the 040 slopeback switcher....which was the anchor of their whole steam line.
The P7 Heavy Pacific was their oldest larger engine from the 50s. The Heavy Mikado got added with a slightly different cast boiler but the Pacific tender, steam chest....and our good ole tiny cab.
I never noticed until you said it and sure enough....same darn cab on them all. DANG IT!!
@@classicmodeltrains great for parts swap though.
Their 1960s P7 Heavy Pacific die cast boiler and tender are actually pretty good to the preserved President Washington, therefore other P7s, but in late WW2 lighting...
However the tiny cab is something that must be replaced with a donated cab kitbashed or scratchbuilt. AHM dead shells are good donors.
@@classicmodeltrains I'm about to rebuild a light Mikado AHM that I found in a parts box from my teens. Never ran in my ownership but it is a pretty good representation of Southern 4500 at the TVRR I ride behind once or twice a year. If I can get it running I might paint up the mixed era consist of the Summerville Steam Special.
Wish me luck.
Mantua made the SD38, SD39 and SD40 in steam: same body, different number of wheels (instead of different number of fans, motors and HPs as on the SDs). Very impressive work Ron! Your mechanical skills are amazing!
Took me a bit to pick up what you were referencing here. Got it!! Thanks Regis!!
Hi Classic Model Trains & it's is Randy and i like yours video is cool & Thanks Classic Model Trains & Friends Randy & Super Cool Classic Model Train & Friends Randy & I am Model Ho Scale Train
Hello Randy! Thanks for watching :-)
Hey Ron, you really should get the axles out of the tender's trucks, clean them and the trucks, then add your favorite grease. Those areas get full of crud and cleaning them makes a huge difference. Those trucks can be gently bent to get the axles out. Just bend 'em back when you're done. I just did that to my sick Mantua ten-wheeler and the thing runs awesome now. I do the same to the long-haul tenders from the Mikados and Pacifics and get super results there too. You need to file or grind the pins off of those to get the axle retainers off, but a little CA will hold the retaining plate on when you're finished. Try it.
Thanks for the tip!
Middle of the week train video!…best way to spend the time…very enjoyable….
Thanks you Tom!
Ron that engine sounds just like my 040 shifter first train takes me back
I'm always selling memories over here :-)
My layout is in the laundry room as well. My wine cellar is under the layout. Multi purpose room.
lots going on in your train space!
Great job again. It's nice to hear someone pronounce the word wash correctly
You mean with out the unnecessary "R" sound mixed in :-)
You're a little like me Ron. If you can't get something done after so long you finally break down, admit defeat, and download some prints or instructions.
Another great video. 👍
I was hoping the instructions would show me a simpler way to get all them rods installed easier. It kinda did
LOL!!! Thanks for the shoutout about the laundry room in the background!! Funny thing is, I havent worked back there is awhile because the bench is too high. Have to sit on a bar stool and its just not comfortable. Its the reason the repairs and other work are done at the kitchen table in the main layout area
He he!! You caught this video as soon as it came out. I was thinking about making my next repair bench bar height. I can sit on a bar stool for hours on end so........... :-)
Dang it watched to the end again. LOL Great video. Those old motors are a pain. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching John
Hey Ron, I’m watching your video and I’m rooting for you to get the steam chest off, and you got it! Way to go! And now your throw out a picture of Denise Richard’s. She is beautiful! When I saw her in the movie “Wild Things”, I was mesmerized. Now back to your show. LOL
Thanks 👍. Denise was very easy on the eyes back in the day.
Once again another great and informative video. Looking forward to the next video. 33%
Thank you
Well, at least we know we do wash. Take whatever space I can get!
I want all the space I can get plus a bit more :-)
Love your show and all your collection .
Thank you very much
Hey Ron, another great video. Hope you are well really enjoyed this one.
Thank you!
Great vid as always Ron ✌️
Thank you Darrell
Denise Richards?? Your roof repaint looks perfect. Sorry to see the motor was burnt out. 33%er
Yup and thanks!! Never ran into a burnt out Mantua motor
I could never make a video on these without some tough language. I always hated trying to put the rods back in the piston chambers. It came out great though. Love how it crept along. Keep them coming.
I do a lot of editing to make me sound like Mr Rogers :-)
Nice job restoring and repairing that mantua decapod. Oh if your motor from your engine like that had smoked and shortened out I think it might be the black gaps on the commutator that needs to be cleaned. To do that use a tooth pick to clean out some of the gaps of commutator plates. I do that to most of my trains and just giving you a suggestion here.
Thanks Matt
Excellent stuff. Watched 100%. Thank you
Thanks Patrick
Ron your better than this,if given the chance bench test it saves a bunch of time, all these videos no one bench test them, your the best.
It just didnt occur to me. Ive never seen one not work before.
No layout yet but work are is like Harry Potter’s room under the stairs. I have done the drive rods and steam chest dance with a mantua Pacific and a 2-6-2 prairie. I have multiple Mantua Pacifics, a Mikado, and the Prairie that have the full drive rods assemblies, both Decapid as yet. That’s a cool loco for sure. So far only had one dead Athearn motor so far wired. Great work Ron! Thanks!
No layout? Oh wow.... I figured you had a monster layout in the basement for sure!!
@@classicmodeltrains lol I wish. Nope just test track at this time.
@@classicmodeltrains ohhh the Lionel 1959 Pacific locomotive suffered Bachmann syndrome, cracked main gear on drive axel. Shot. Will affix a coupler on cow catcher and use her as a dummy helper locomotive. Need a whole new wheel set to fix. Oh well, but I think you cursed it when you said it was a Bachmann in Facebook 😁
It was made the year I graduated High School. Ha. Another interesting video!
Thanks :-)
Great repair ron!! Had no idea Mantua even made decapods, i'll have to find one for myself at some point. Excellent video per usual!!
I didnt know they had them either till this one showed up
@@classicmodeltrains They seem like pretty decent units, ay? Can’t wait to see what you got comin’ next!
Well you made my week Ron…well done…more patience than me, especially with that front end…cheers from Ontario…
Glad to help out!
As always one your 33% great video
Thank you William
Lol yep washing machine, im guilty, great job ,im amazed you got that Loco going , regards 33% Marc
Thanks Mark👍
Hi Ron. If you would like to learn what all the rods, piping, and appliances are see if you can find a copy of the "STEAM LOCOMOTIVE CYCLOPEDIA" by Model Railroader Magazine. Its full of photos and information. Well worth the investment. Also, if it were mine, I would try to find a tender from a 4-6-2 Pacific or 2-8-2 Mikado or similar for a more prototypical appearance. Your right about it seeming small for that size locomotive. Catch you later dude. Love your videos and sense of humor.
Thanks for the tips! This is the tender that came from the Fact-tree so I will just leave it alone, but you make a good point :-)
Denise Richards. I often wondered if she is kin to Keith Richards from the Rolling Stones. I think I have about 4 of those Mantua engines. I've replaced all the magnets with neodymium (rare earth) magnets and it made a HUGE difference in current draw and performance. Yep, I use 4 of the little ones I got from fleaBay just as you do. Now they will "creep" around the tracks. Cheers from eastern TN
I dont think Denise and Keith are Kin. Not a lot of family resemblance. Well now there kinda is ;-)
Now I will be looking for a Mantua Decapod. Thank you and do continue the inspired work Ron. Excellent video.
Thanks!
I used to build these when they showed up on my doorstep as a kit for someone. That valve gearing & linkage was the hardest part to build, because all the rods & linkages came as little parts, including the rivets. You had to be careful not to set the rivet too hard, or it would bind up.
I seen that in the directions. A Feller really had to be on top of his game to put these together back in the day
My washer and dryer are in the same room as my staging yard :)
Another one for the club!! :-)
This repair video brightened what was becoming a dull week. Good job, Ron!
Very kind of you Stephen
What an excellent runner you have now!
it's better than I imagined for sure
Another great video, and a wonderful middle of the week surprise. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.
Thanks
Another nice restoration, glad no zinc pest! You should invest in a re-magnetizer. I did and it changed my life. Restores motors performance to like new. My old Tri-ang loco's love a two second buzz! Those Neo magnets can be too powerful for some motors but i do use both methods. (What is really annoying? The penny in the dryer.....clang, pause, clang, pause, clang, pause etc etc.😬😵💫)
Ive been pricing out them re-maggers. Kinda spendy
Hi Ron. Good to see the old train running again. Turned out beautiful.
Had a good chuckle about those instructions, takes me back to some training courses and that's what the instructor sounded like.. lmao 🤣.
Great video as always, cheers.
Thanks, Them instructions were pretty useless.
4:17 "27 screws to do it...."
Been there. Right up there with "The Last Lugnut™".
RHST=Right hand self-tapping.
thanks for clearing up the RHST thing :-)
Excellent job Ron👍. Those old Mantua locos have so much potential for customization. I ended up spending more on restoring one than it was worth. It had sentimental value, so that's how I rationalized it lol. But you can get real fancy putting brass parts on them to make them prototypical. There are a few guys on the interwebs that chronicled their customizations for the old Mantuas. Some amazing work.
Ive seen some Fellers who do up there Tyco steamers real nice. Yes lots out there to do that with
Great video!
Thanks
I'm glad you said something, I was trying to figure out what that was and settled on maybe a compressor or a fluid transfer pump working away. Yes, the washer and the dryer are with me in the train cellar, but the worst is the 1970's model oil burner. Being a DC train runner I'm all about listening to the actual function of my equipment with a few added noises from my head (yes like a little kid). Doesn't help that I also find myself often involved in listening to a complex jam from the stereo; and always wonder why the darn oil burner or dryer wrinkle free function starts and stops had to happen at exactly that moment! Thanks for another excellent video.
Thanks for watching Andrew
Excellent repair and runs like a dream now she’s a real beauty 👍
Thank you!
Nice old Locomotive!! Great job again getting them running.
Thank you Paul
Great video! I’ll have to check and see if I have any extra motors laying around and make a channel donation. Won’t be for a while tho, got the life stuff going on. Have a great week!
Yes, Summers are busy for doing train things as well ive found out.
Very soon on the washing machine as I expand.
Want to see you tackle a Stewart Century
I would love to work on a Stewart
@@classicmodeltrains if I find a basket case I’ll send it to you
@@classicmodeltrains I do have a Stewart RS3 I won’t do anything with it
@@mayhemdan5981 send me a email. classicmodeltrains@aol.com
Hey Ron again you have not disappointed thank you
Glad you liked it
That was odd 😱 Not sure if it was the camera or lighting, but that armature sure looked smoked to me, it looked burnt blueish. But thanks for sharing. Ron
I just looked at it. it is very blue. I figured it was some sort of rust inhibiter. That thing would really have to cook to turn that blue from shorting out. Huh....Now you got me thinking :-)
I've got a 2 car garage for my layout. I'm just starting at a 4x8 sheet of plywood. I told myself I was getting rid of most of my Ho and stick to O, but I couldn't help myself.
I cant help myself either and want all the gauges
I was just out in your area last week. I was driving down this street and looked to my left and lo and behold, there was your little shack with the big ol rv up front. It is nice to see in real life the location of one of the people that I follow on here. Now to make and sell maps to find a star of RUclips!!!!! Thanks for the wonderful videos and they are very entertaining.
Thanks for your support Brian!
Nice job as always on the restore.
Thank you
Wow...that was unusual..never seen a factory-defect motor in a Mantua before, usually their QC was pretty good. I wish Bachmann/Spectrum had the same low fail rate! Sure they look pretty copared with models from the 50's and 60's, but when gears crack, you dont have a locomotive anymore...you have a paperweight!!!
I was really surprised also. Never seen a burned out Mantua motor. I agree with you on the B-man stuff
Thinking about it, if the previous owner didnt burn out the motor accidentally, this loco never ran..I wonder if he was a new modeller and commited the sin of attaching the AC leads from the power supply to the rails...
Looks like an old Liliput locomotive inside.
Ive never seen one of those. Now I want to
Thank You Ron, I'm thinking you have a mismatched tender! Great video I Say!
Your welcome and that is the factory tender that came with it.
Her face looked familiar, couldn't place a name to the face! I'll forgetter (forget her) again! 😁
She was a 80's Hottie
That motor may have a bad brush holder insulator. I've been having high amp draw a Athearn Hi F rubber band drive motor. Did a tear down and cleaned it up to get that to run. But have a blue arc that gets bigger & brighter the more voltage I give it. I'll be using a non-metallic paint on exposed bare metal frame to help reduce or hopefully eliminate it.
It could be. I did look at it but only for a second
Super. I never owned the 2-10-0, but I do operate a number of Mantua/Tyco steam and diesel locomotives on my layout. Most of them have survived the last fifty years pretty well, but one 4-6-2 Heavy Pacific steam locomotive with long haul tender (Out of three) that I bought brand new has had a funny or cursed life. After about five years of operating fine, it just quit, and I found a burned motor coil when I checked. I buy a new motor at the train show, everything is fine for about three years, then it dies again. (While my other Mantua/Tyco locomotives are fine.) I'm thinking of using a different motor, but I buy another original motor at a train show, install it, and everything is fine. About fifteen years later, The motor coil burned up again. Older and smarter, I installed an after market motor in it, and not quite a year later, it gave up the ghost in a puff of smoke pulling a 21 car B&O "Royal Blue" heavyweight passenger train up a 2% grade on a friends layout, while the other two original Mantua/Tyco 4-6-2 Heavy Pacific steam locomotives have had no issues pulling that same heavyweight passenger train on the same layout. Finally about five years ago, I got tired of it being a roundhouse scenery queen. I dug the original motor, plus the two other dead original motors, out of my parts drawers, and following a books instructions, I rewound all three armatures, tightened the bronze motor bearings with a steel ball and a peen hammer, added additional magnets, and added a small homemade fan to the motor shaft. The motor is doing fine after five years, and now I have two more motors just in case any of my Mantua/Tyco steamers need one. The "Tale of the cursed Pacific" continues. Good video, might find a used 2-10-0 and decorate it up for my railroad. Hello from the Tracy Mountain Railway in Colorado. 💙 T.E.N.
Thats quite a story with that pacific. Sounds like its been with you for a good long time
That "cursed" Pacific has also been repainted four times, and disintegrated one of its main drive rod bearings, which allowed the main connecting rod to saw the screw that connects the drive wheel to the main drive rod completely in half, even though I oiled it. The main rod fell and caught a tie, and flipped the locomotive right off the track. It did a barrel roll, and crash landed on the floor. Minimal damage, except for the 1/2 screw stuck in the driving wheel. It was also in a wreck that broke the front pilot right off of the frame. It hit a big stick that fell on the tracks, and derailed face first into a canyon, even after running my railroads snowplow to clear the tracks. Reglue, new details, fixed. It also burned the little brass wire prong ring terminal connecting the motor wire to the tender, partly burning the pointed metal prong on the terminal that pokes the wire and makes the connection, and would run slow or stall until I installed a new terminal. I love this locomotive, as it is always an adventure to operate. This one locomotive has received more maintenance and repair than ALL of my locomotives put together, but my maintenance department (Me) keeps repairing it for sentimental reasons. Cheers. 💙 T.E.N.
Thank you for sharing.👍
Thanks for watching!
I can't imagine the frustration you must have felt when you got her all back together and she wouldn't run! I figured you would have tested the motor on the bench before you reassembled everything, but like you said, you'd never seen a bad motor like that before. Live and learn I guess, huh?
I was shocked the motor was bad. They always seem so bullet proof
My brother and I really enjoy your videos. Keep it up buddy!
Glad you like them!
Classic model train 🙂🚂😊😊👍.
:-)
After a long day at work great to lay down and watch a vid, much appreciated ☺️
Right on!
I heard the washer machine in a layout room
Oops :-)
👍🏻thanks for taking us along with you on fixing this old girl lol. Hope u go back to fix the light 💡.
Glad you liked it.
Thanks for the video!
Thanks for watching John
Great work Ron. Thanks
Very welcome
33%'er here, and not trying to be a backseat driver (well, maybe I am). Two things surprised me. One: that you didn't test the motor before putting the engine back together the first time. Second: thought maybe you'd use those dental picks I sent you to clean out the holes in the cylinders. But glad to see you got'er running.
I just never ran into a bad motor on a tyco before. Never dawned on me to bench test it. Also never had/used dental picks so I never think of them. Its gunna take me awhile to adjust to all that fancy cleaning stuff you sent along ;-)
@@classicmodeltrains yea, that big bag of Q-tips used to be larger when I bought it some 10 years ago. Wife said I couldn't or shouldn't use them for cleaning my ears. So only used maybe a third of what came in the bag.
Well, at least you have a nice extra set of brushes. Great job.
yup! good parts in that for sure
Another great video Ron! I also have one of them decapods! Love those mantua steam locos! Good job on the repair! Thanks for all you do for us! Appreciate it!!
Thank you Bob
Another great video! Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it!
Well here in Australia we rarely have basements.. my layout is in my old kitchen and you can see (if you take note carefully) my old oven, pantry cupboard, sink and the big kitchen floor-to-ceiling windows...This shows another reason why I do not put the bodies back on until I've track-tested them or at least run them on my rolling road. This has come up as a lovely runner now. And I believe it's Denise Richards in the pic. Ron, I've sent you a message on the flatbook... lol..
Hello Tim. Yup, the first time I dont bench test a motor and it bits me in the arse! I never could find your message
@@classicmodeltrains I just sent a message to your FB fan page.. I originally sent it to your personal page.. my badd...
Denice Richards, AKA Dr. Christmas Jones , The World is not Enough ( James Bond)
I didnt know Denise Richards was in any Bond film? I will have to check that out now :-)
Another great video Ron. I have never seen a motor do that, and it looked new or at least gently used. That was the first reference I have caught about downtown Davisville… I like it! Take care, Jeff.
Thanks Jeff. Yes it looked real nice. really surprised me as well
lol you had me dying laughing when you started telling on everyone that had a washer in their layout room
Well I wasn't throwing them under the bus on purpose. Them Fellers are the only other layouts ive seen :-)
You are a funny guy
Thanks
I'm very surprised, Ron, that you didn't bench test that motor before reassembly. Otherwise, nice job all around..
I just figured it was good to go. Never ran into a bad one before this. Interesting profile pic.
So the question is, how many helium filled balloons gave their lives to reading those instructions ?:P Great video.
He He!!!! thanks
WOW, middle of the week video! Really like your videos, even helped me repair some of my old locos. Keep up the great work! Denise Richards is the cutie in the picture.
Thanks! Yup
"Carmen Ibanez"...
...my neighbor asked me, "why didn't he bench test the motor right outta the gate?"
I said "I don't know"...
...then I knocked him down and we had a good old dust up
a dust up....... To funny. The only time I dont bench test a motor and it bits me in the butt
Dang Ron , my guess for the classic model was either Roseanne Barr or Brad Pitt ? but oh well video was on par like usual . Thank you for your effort to make them .
Thanks :-)
Bravo Ron, totally enjoy your videos.
Thanks Big W!
Those Mantua Decapots are very cool. Well done.
¿What kind of magnets did you use for the motor?
Yup. Good runners. I showed what they are and where to get them with prices in the video.
@@classicmodeltrains Ah, ok. Thanks ^^
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Thanks
Do u do repairs i have a Noryher Pacific 2-6-6-2 from John bout 10 yr or do ago its sat all that time my hands shake rather bad think it just needs relube an oiled gladly pay u for ur time
I'm backed up currently. Probably wouldn't get to it till wintertime. But yes, we could work something out,
@@classicmodeltrains that would b fantsdtic i have few other health problems keep me from working on my locos i thank u for ur time sir i look forward to working with u
What was quick repair turn into a long restoration
Right? Had to work for this one. Maybe the next one will be a breeze :-)
Denise Lee Richards
Yup
Great video 👍📸
You should watch the whole thing. I gave you a shout out.
@@classicmodeltrains I did thanks again
Denise Richards. Good choice.
Yup!