Just want to say these WDR/Bychkov Shostakovich series in the 2000s have a great camera work in terms of capturing the important moments of individual instruments. We can see that the editors have a thorough understanding of the scores. But I must say that some visual effects are making audiences feel dizzy.
The video editors need to realize, not as much here, that the music doesn't need any help. All we need and want to see is how it's done. Symphonic videography should help reveal the performance mystery, never seek to entertain on its own. When the orchestra members are cued to smile at each other is when I turn it off, I don't care how good it is, it isn't any good if they have to do that when playing.
It's part of the modern tradition to never let 5 seconds go by without an editing effect - either a cut or a zoom. Anything. I fail to see how sudden close-ups of any individual group or player add anything to the music. I suppose it proves that the editor/producer can read a score. What it means is that someone is making musical decisions for the listener/viewer. Not necessarily a good thing. I suspect that the video-makers just can't resist - when you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
The 8th is perhaps the symphony in Shostakovich's oeuvre that most clearly expresses the composer's almost paranoid fear of the omnipotence of Stalinist rule. There is only a brief positive mood here, which is immediately replaced by a sense of being rushed. Even the scherzo is so deceptive and almost cheerful that listening to it - especially the first movement - creates a sense of unease that never once lets go of me. A true masterpiece.
Great Interpretation. The editing is art by itself even if not liked by all as a concept. One cannot ignore the effort (and the star-trek style creativity) in interpreting the music through images. Semyon Bychkov, as always, so clear, precise with musical and intellectual balance. The orchestra follows with bravura and engagement. A pleasure!
Truly a fantastic, exciting and at times scary piece of music. It makes me think of persecution and the horror of gulags. This is my favorite Shostakovich symphony. The playing and interpretation are on the spot perfect. Plus, the videography is absolutely fascinating. All of this performance is a great sample of orchestral music and playing. I'd recommend this video as a great example to show students who are learning about art music as it shows the relationship between the music and musicians. I love those drums.Thank you so much for this treasure!
PLEASE DO THE 13TH SYMPHONY!!!! There is a very severe lack of good recordings on RUclips, and by that I mean none. I am confident that Mr Bychkov and the orchestra can deliver a stunning performance of that amazing work.
@@davidparrish2534 I've listened to Barshai's version. The orchestra is far more impactful in this recording. ruclips.net/video/BEyDiOon0jg/видео.html&lc=Ugx5eOS5P22fpAB92dl4AaABAg
Jesus, that zoom on the English Horn player at 18:28... almost going molecular level. Dont like the cinematography but great performance from the orchestra as usual.
The bucolic touch, tinged with melancholy of this symphony causes an abyssal diving movement in my subconscious so that I end up feeling apathy before the problems, not as an escape but as an exercise of self-knowledge 🔥
Some investigations says that this symphony was written in 1943, it means still during the second world war, and the continuation of the 7th the famous "Leningrad " symphony, it is more a introspective battle in the soul of the composer, it is the first time I hear it, and it has been a new great experience for me, the resistance continues and it seems not to have an end . It has some musical elements of the 5th. Great symphony and very good interpretation.
It is absolutely one of Shostakovich's greatest and profoundest works. I am fortunate to have discovered it in my teens, and fifty years later it remains a searing emotional journey.
I love the video effects. For those who don´t: It IS possible to hear music without looking! Ask Stevie Wonder... This is a great performance no matter you watch and/or just listen. Be happy it exists.. many excellent recordings of it exist. Kitajenko with Gürzenich, Cologne, is a very good one, too.
There seems to be controversy regarding the editing of the video. The audiovisual world is also an art, although not as prestigious, with a short history, so those few years that have elapsed (since 2001) that are almost nothing in the classical musical tradition, are a long time in terms of evolution of audiovisual language, not so much in what can be done technically as in what is recognized as suitable for the music it serves. We see that they try to reinforce the elements of the music itself by transplanting them to the video (tempo, rhythm, character). It seems that time has not passed in favor of this type of language (certainly redundant), but I personally appreciate it, if only to see something different in that stagnant and often deliberately immobile and dogmatic world of classical music, with its inevitable etiquette and its "do's" and "don'ts".
Well yes, something like that also happens with the sets in the opera, which we need to change often, to respond to passing tastes, fashions, while the music is still there, the same or almost. Even so, I still see this 'document' as something more than that, it seems to me that the message of the music is clearly reinforced, despite some occasional moments, perhaps somewhat exaggerated (but isn't Shostakovich's music?)
Seitdem ich Mravinski's 80er Aufnahme mit dem Leningradern gehört habe warte ich immer darauf mal eine Aufnahme zu finden wo die Trompeten im Trio des 3. Satzes genauso die Sau rauslassen. Das hier ist sie endlich. Alle anderen klingen immer so zahm. Was die Bildregie angeht... ich weiß was damals versucht worden ist. Ist ja auch nicht das erste Mal, das jemand versucht hat Konzertaufnahmen "aufzupeppen". Unnötig und ablenkend bleibt es aber immer. Das ist schon zu Karajan's Zeiten krachend gescheitert.
Parabéns a orquestra e ao condutor pela performance maravilhosa!! Mas essa edição é P A V O R O S A!!!!! Acaba com todo e qualquer clima que apenas assistir um vídeo com as câmeras paradas e cortes suaves poderiam proporcionar! Cortes sem sentido, transições abruptas e horrorosas... 💀😶🌫️ Darei like no vídeo, única e exclusivamente, por causa da performance.
Hmm WDR might also have the DSCH Violin concerto No.1 performed by Maxim Vengerov and Semyon Bychkov....Would you please release the video of that performance...
A very fine performance! Sorry, but I am not a fan of the editing. Yes, the laser focus on the soloist(s) is very impressive. However, many of the special effects are distracting. It’s an amazing effort, but tone it down a bit and let the music remain the focu please.
Music is always a matter of personal perception. For me, it's a very personal thing, as always with Shostakovich. The music expresses pure fear, being rushed, there is hardly any time for relaxation, what could bring joy becomes a grimace, there are simply no real positive moments.
...(vagabundo Latino): No se nada de música, pero, pero..Estas creaciones musicales, interpretadas con gran misterio que desconozco su inspiración. Hacen que sin hechar mano de posimas vegetales, en cada nano sonido ver pasar galaxias, que compiten con la creación de los mal llamados dioses.!?!?!?!?. Osea, este ejercito de músicos, ojala lo sepan, que han mutado 82 minutos en dioses...y luego en perros vagabundos (léase, perros que se gravan en sus mentes, solo los minutos que se hacen dioses).
At 55:06 I expected a shot of a mushroom cloud to be superimposed over the orchestra. It’s just embarrassing. It doesn’t matter that this was done 22 years ago. It’s still tasteless. DSCH must be rolling in his grave laughing hysterically.
Fantastic performance but those video “special effects” and absurdly close close-ups are ridiculous. What? Shostakovich can’t stand on his own? We have to add cartoons now?
Lots of laudatory comments about the videography, the camera work is usually excellent in this series and show that the editors know the score and adapt to it. Excellent in the 4th Symphony for instance. But, oh but, is it necessary to use so extreme zoom work like filming almost inside the nostrils of Bychkov about 2 minutes after start of 1st movement or inside the right eye of the oboe player about 12 minutes later? Lots of frequent unnecessary extreme zooming, in my opinion, that distract from the main goal. Also the use of multiple images, the whole orchestra rotating in the air all those strobe lights are more fit to a nightclub band or a rock concert. Please, mister editors, if this music bores you, find it "heavy", and use this "tricks" to lighten it (and I don't criticize you for that) please don't spoil it for the others that like it and want to "see" it as it really is (too many "its", I know, sorry).
54:56 here begin the best 40 seconds of camera editing ever
NO. It is 38:00 plus
I'm speechless . . . I am without speech. Shostakovich would be . . . well, amazed, I guess.
Check out 35:56 .
Somebody watched a lot of MTV in their youth 😀
32:02 It's so perfect too🙃
Also the most terrifying climax, like many of his other symphonies; man, I LOVE his bombastic music.
The final minutes of this symphony are simply amazing.
Entertaining and educational. Something for everyone in a Shostakovich symphony.
Thanks!
Just want to say these WDR/Bychkov Shostakovich series in the 2000s have a great camera work in terms of capturing the important moments of individual instruments. We can see that the editors have a thorough understanding of the scores. But I must say that some visual effects are making audiences feel dizzy.
The video editors need to realize, not as much here, that the music doesn't need any help. All we need and want to see is how it's done. Symphonic videography should help reveal the performance mystery, never seek to entertain on its own. When the orchestra members are cued to smile at each other is when I turn it off, I don't care how good it is, it isn't any good if they have to do that when playing.
@@barney6888I agree, those VFX were rather annoying.
It's part of the modern tradition to never let 5 seconds go by without an editing effect - either a cut or a zoom. Anything. I fail to see how sudden close-ups of any individual group or player add anything to the music. I suppose it proves that the editor/producer can read a score. What it means is that someone is making musical decisions for the listener/viewer. Not necessarily a good thing. I suspect that the video-makers just can't resist - when you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
The 8th is perhaps the symphony in Shostakovich's oeuvre that most clearly expresses the composer's almost paranoid fear of the omnipotence of Stalinist rule. There is only a brief positive mood here, which is immediately replaced by a sense of being rushed. Even the scherzo is so deceptive and almost cheerful that listening to it - especially the first movement - creates a sense of unease that never once lets go of me. A true masterpiece.
We're glad that you like it 😊
Great Interpretation. The editing is art by itself even if not liked by all as a concept. One cannot ignore the effort (and the star-trek style creativity) in interpreting the music through images.
Semyon Bychkov, as always, so clear, precise with musical and intellectual balance. The orchestra follows with bravura and engagement. A pleasure!
Thanks, we appreciate it!
The video portion really follows the tension well. I love it!
Saw Bychkov few years ago conduct this very piece, just with Czech Philharmonic. It was just as incredible
How awesome!
Truly a fantastic, exciting and at times scary piece of music. It makes me think of persecution and the horror of gulags. This is my favorite Shostakovich symphony. The playing and interpretation are on the spot perfect. Plus, the videography is absolutely fascinating. All of this performance is a great sample of orchestral music and playing. I'd recommend this video as a great example to show students who are learning about art music as it shows the relationship between the music and musicians. I love those drums.Thank you so much for this treasure!
Thank you for the compliment!
We're happy to hear that you enjoyed our rendition 🤗
7:48 Quiet part | 11:16 flute build up | 11:34 building | 11:41 raising | 11:52 thump thump | 12:04 screech scary
12:15 military scare | 17:21 trumpet to start end | 17:32 | 17:38 suspense hold end notes
32:43 Mischievous | 46:50 Flute | 55:41 repeat of earlier |
PLEASE DO THE 13TH SYMPHONY!!!! There is a very severe lack of good recordings on RUclips, and by that I mean none. I am confident that Mr Bychkov and the orchestra can deliver a stunning performance of that amazing work.
There is a great one by Gergiev
@@davidparrish2534 I've listened to Barshai's version. The orchestra is far more impactful in this recording.
ruclips.net/video/BEyDiOon0jg/видео.html&lc=Ugx5eOS5P22fpAB92dl4AaABAg
@@davidparrish2534 Yes. M. Petrenko, bass - Mariinski Theater Orchestra - Valeri Gergiev.
Jesus, that zoom on the English Horn player at 18:28... almost going molecular level. Dont like the cinematography but great performance from the orchestra as usual.
Que homem escultural. A beleza dele merecia o registro.
At least they didn't zoom in on his nose hair. Who directed this, Stefan Herheim?
34:35 I like how the string passage is played more as a staccato. Kurt Sanderling also did it this way. Mostly it's played rather legato.
A Great Symphony no.5The Orchestra are in full control,Wonderful to listen to .💥✨🎶🎻🎺🥁⭐️🥰🎼
Thank you 😊
great cinematography as always!
44:21 Mighty clarinet solo enters the pasacaglia.
The bucolic touch, tinged with melancholy of this symphony causes an abyssal diving movement in my subconscious so that I end up feeling apathy before the problems, not as an escape but as an exercise of self-knowledge 🔥
I don't know if you know what you're talking about. You sound highfalutin, but you're full of it.
@@isolopiano You're probably right but I love poetry of words 😊🤡🕊
This photography is great!
Thank you! 😊
Some investigations says that this symphony was written in 1943, it means still during the second world war, and the continuation of the 7th the famous "Leningrad " symphony, it is more a introspective battle in the soul of the composer, it is the first time I hear it, and it has been a new great experience for me, the resistance continues and it seems not to have an end . It has some musical elements of the 5th. Great symphony and very good interpretation.
Glad you like it and thanks for your insight.
It is absolutely one of Shostakovich's greatest and profoundest works. I am fortunate to have discovered it in my teens, and fifty years later it remains a searing emotional journey.
This is excellent. (I'm finally discovering that I love Shostakovich, I just don't know it yet.)
Thank you! 😄
These are great recordings and performances.
Thank you! We're really glad that you like our performance 🤗
Музыка космического масштаба вселенского мироздания человеческой сущности.
I love the video effects. For those who don´t: It IS possible to hear music without looking! Ask Stevie Wonder... This is a great performance no matter you watch and/or just listen. Be happy it exists.. many excellent recordings of it exist. Kitajenko with Gürzenich, Cologne, is a very good one, too.
This interpretation is pure crap, nothing to listen here.
23:24 is when I jump out of the seat
There seems to be controversy regarding the editing of the video. The audiovisual world is also an art, although not as prestigious, with a short history, so those few years that have elapsed (since 2001) that are almost nothing in the classical musical tradition, are a long time in terms of evolution of audiovisual language, not so much in what can be done technically as in what is recognized as suitable for the music it serves.
We see that they try to reinforce the elements of the music itself by transplanting them to the video (tempo, rhythm, character). It seems that time has not passed in favor of this type of language (certainly redundant), but I personally appreciate it, if only to see something different in that stagnant and often deliberately immobile and dogmatic world of classical music, with its inevitable etiquette and its "do's" and "don'ts".
Yes, you really have to keep in mind that this was made over 20 years ago and maybe see it more as a document of its time.
Well yes, something like that also happens with the sets in the opera, which we need to change often, to respond to passing tastes, fashions, while the music is still there, the same or almost.
Even so, I still see this 'document' as something more than that, it seems to me that the message of the music is clearly reinforced, despite some occasional moments, perhaps somewhat exaggerated (but isn't Shostakovich's music?)
I always loved that video and still do, thank you! @@WDRKlassik
The 8th is remarkably similar in its opening to the 5th.
The exposition and development build-up of the 1st movements of both symphonies are almost identical.
Good performance but not too keen on the video special effects.
Will someone please explain to me WTF the editor was trying to do at 17:00?
18:30 Yes, believe it or not, the man playing the English horn has a right eye in his face.
Seitdem ich Mravinski's 80er Aufnahme mit dem Leningradern gehört habe warte ich immer darauf mal eine Aufnahme zu finden wo die Trompeten im Trio des 3. Satzes genauso die Sau rauslassen. Das hier ist sie endlich. Alle anderen klingen immer so zahm.
Was die Bildregie angeht... ich weiß was damals versucht worden ist. Ist ja auch nicht das erste Mal, das jemand versucht hat Konzertaufnahmen "aufzupeppen".
Unnötig und ablenkend bleibt es aber immer. Das ist schon zu Karajan's Zeiten krachend gescheitert.
Mal bei Kondraschin reinhören!
Parabéns a orquestra e ao condutor pela performance maravilhosa!!
Mas essa edição é P A V O R O S A!!!!! Acaba com todo e qualquer clima que apenas assistir um vídeo com as câmeras paradas e cortes suaves poderiam proporcionar! Cortes sem sentido, transições abruptas e horrorosas... 💀😶🌫️
Darei like no vídeo, única e exclusivamente, por causa da performance.
Why is this edited like a 90's action movie trailer
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Hmm WDR might also have the DSCH Violin concerto No.1 performed by Maxim Vengerov and Semyon Bychkov....Would you please release the video of that performance...
Editing is interesting
It help people understand the piece more
But I personally think it doesn’t quite fit the music itself
A very fine performance! Sorry, but I am not a fan of the editing. Yes, the laser focus on the soloist(s) is very impressive. However, many of the special effects are distracting. It’s an amazing effort, but tone it down a bit and let the music remain the focu please.
55:17 someone had fun with the slideshow transitions folder
35:33 🎺🥁🔥
I was surprised by Han-geul(Korean alphabet) because always I see English explanations
Porqué será, que el camarógrafo muestra con tanta cercania, al director de la orquesta...?...
Editing at 15:30 extremely silly
what is this piece about ?
Music is always a matter of personal perception. For me, it's a very personal thing, as always with Shostakovich. The music expresses pure fear, being rushed, there is hardly any time for relaxation, what could bring joy becomes a grimace, there are simply no real positive moments.
35:30 Trompetensolo
Listen to the original 1962 recording , Kondrashin remastered
My favorite version so far, yes.
35:02 51:49
35:12 my man is dancing here lol
43:10
28:48 29:44 31:32 35:22 38:14 48:49
Melhor que a versão do Guerguiev.
...(vagabundo Latino):
No se nada de música, pero, pero..Estas creaciones musicales, interpretadas con gran misterio que desconozco su inspiración. Hacen que sin hechar mano de posimas vegetales, en cada nano sonido ver pasar galaxias, que compiten con la creación de los mal llamados dioses.!?!?!?!?.
Osea, este ejercito de músicos, ojala lo sepan, que han mutado 82 minutos en dioses...y luego en perros vagabundos (léase, perros que se gravan en sus mentes, solo los minutos que se hacen dioses).
12:29 !!!!
16:23
The spinning orchestra and checkerboard clips are totally unnecessary. The video editors must lead an unexciting life. Back to the music......
At 55:06 I expected a shot of a mushroom cloud to be superimposed over the orchestra. It’s just embarrassing. It doesn’t matter that this was done 22 years ago. It’s still tasteless. DSCH must be rolling in his grave laughing hysterically.
この唇👄に圧倒される
「sch」という綴り方もあるんだ…初めて知った。
The superposed and out-of-focus visuals were very distracting and unnecessary.
After all, the symphony was written for musicians, not cinematographers.
Fantastic performance but those video “special effects” and absurdly close close-ups are ridiculous. What? Shostakovich can’t stand on his own? We have to add cartoons now?
Lots of laudatory comments about the videography, the camera work is usually excellent in this series and show that the editors know the score and adapt to it. Excellent in the 4th Symphony for instance. But, oh but, is it necessary to use so extreme zoom work like filming almost inside the nostrils of Bychkov about 2 minutes after start of 1st movement or inside the right eye of the oboe player about 12 minutes later? Lots of frequent unnecessary extreme zooming, in my opinion, that distract from the main goal. Also the use of multiple images, the whole orchestra rotating in the air all those strobe lights are more fit to a nightclub band or a rock concert. Please, mister editors, if this music bores you, find it "heavy", and use this "tricks" to lighten it (and I don't criticize you for that) please don't spoil it for the others that like it and want to "see" it as it really is (too many "its", I know, sorry).
Had to turn it off and go watch the Leningrad with Mravinsky. The artsy fartsy video work was at best infantile.
Disturbing visual WHY?
Because they did this at that time, it's long ago.
これは当時現場にいた！
Looks like an 8 yr old edited this video 😂😂
Non capisce niente delle musica il direttore.
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