WHITE SCARS - FOR THE EMPEROR AND THE KHAN! | Warhammer 40k Lore
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The White Scars, who call themselves the "Horde of Jaghatai" and were originally called the Star Hunters during the early Great Crusade, are a Loyalist Space Marine Chapter and one of the First Founding Chapters of the Adeptus Astartes.
Known and feared throughout the Imperium of Man for their highly mobile way of war, the White Scars are considered the masters of the lightning strike and hit-and-run attack and are particularly adapted to the use of the Astartes Assault Bike as their mechanical steeds and their forces contain an unusually large number of Bike Squads compared to other Chapters.
Bearing the ritual scars of bravery, these fierce warriors fight with all the tribal savagery that define the fierce steppe nomads of their homeworld Mundus Planus, known to them as Chogoris, bringing swift death to all of the enemies of the Imperium.
*Orks kill a friend of the Khan*
The Khan: "Congratulations, you have opened a portal to the Blender Dimension"
I nearly spit out my coffee thanks to you
The Khan: ah this bonsai tree has been left unattended. Lets fix that.
The ork: wut ya talkin bout humie?
That scene was just flat out amazing
I’m using this quote for my dnd campaign.
Domain expansion: malevolent kitchen
42:22
*"Even in death, I still swerve."* -White Scars Dreadnought, probably
Someone needs to make a gothic cover of Tokyo Drift, and put Khan there.
@@jocosesonata nah it needs to be a Mongolian Metal cover, get The Hu to do it.
@@DeltaCain13 that would be amazing!
underrated comment
Deja Vu but in a slow tone for the Dreadnought
There's a White Scars dreadnought in Apocalypse who was actually quite jovial. He called all the other White Scars 'little brothers'
Wholesome Dreadnought is the most anti-chaos thing i've seen.
Lmao, so did Lion El’ Johnson!
It’s pretty funny how, in his Primarch novel, Lion goes around telling people to inform his little brothers what they’re doing because he just improvs everything in an instant because autism!
"WHOS THE CUTEST LITTLE KHAN"
"brother please stop"
@@mr.potato2223 Konrad Kurze: avoid eye contact (internal screaming)
Can he go fast?
Bricky: They really like killing Orks
DK: Any specific reason?
Orks believe RED goes faster. White Scars wants to prove KHAN goes faster
The moment the Khan turns red fighting Orks
But we all know in shock assault blood angels are faster and we can thank the irks fir that extra speed boost
They LOVE murder racing.
WELL IF YAZ WANTS DA KHAN TA BE FASTA YOUZ GOTTA PAINT IM RED YA GITZ
the khan goes faster if we believe he khan
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One of the big strengths of the white scars is that on Chigoris psykers have a shamanic tradition and are trained from a young age to manage thier powers to not be corrupted by the warp. I think if the imperium took Chigoris tradition seriously psykers would be a much bigger benefit and way less demon summon-y.
Chogoris*
You mean instead of the local arbiters trying to keep the local ecclesiastical representatives from killing him until the black ships arrive. If they are even gonna take that risk.
it wouldn't be 40k if the imperium of man did some micromanaging
@@isuckatusernames4297 in my opinion the empower, high lords, and guilliman do all the micromanaging everyone else gets caught in the bureaucratic toilet flush
Blood Angels do well for not falling to Chaos as well. They just struggle with the Black Rage.
"The student is getting snippy" just put him in the walls
BROTHER!!!!
DUDE, Luten name-dropped Doge Vandire and Bricky in his last video. THE MEME HAS ASCENDED. funnier still I watch luten because of a bricky video and now luten calls out the brick with a curse and a chuckle.
lmao yeah we saw that
Was that the Callidus video?
@@TheSchultinator yes at around 31 minutes.
@@actionhirvimoose4294 Ah, I'd missed that, I'll have to rewatch
Oh shit I gotta get caught up on his videos lol
The "you do strange things to your men" comment to Fulgrim wasn't calling him gay. The Khan was mocking the experiments Fulgrim was having done to his sons to combat the blight that nearly wiped out his Legion.
The Khan was basically laughing at Fulgrim's kids struggling with cancer.
Fucking savage, love it
Based khan
It works on both levels, in-universe and out. I lean towards the latter personally because the "You do strange things with your ship" line heavily mirrors an eternal old insult hurled at basically any horse centric culture which is, of course, that they fuck their horses. Meanwhile the in-universe explanation was no doubt the accusation of something heretical I'm sure.
@@WeedgokuBonerhitler I thought they just modified their ship's to go speed.
Based
I can’t wait for the Fulgrim episode because I hope they talk about Rylanor the gigachad Dreadnaught.
honestly that might be a separate episode
I am alpharius this is (begins crying before he can say the meme) RYLANOR!!!!!!!!
Rylanor deserves his own episode
Rylanor deserves more than any of us.
THAT YOU STILL THINK I SEEK ANY GLORY BETRAYS THE TRUE BLINDNESS THAT HAS OVERCOME YOU
Rylanor The Ancient Gigachad.
I think the best thing about the white scars is that, while there aren't that many stories about them, they have endless potential to be legendary
i mean yeah but i think we dont have enough stuff about ultramarines we need more ultramarines
@@Adeptusridiculous We lack blue berries for the great pie!
Shy gets it
@@Adeptusridiculous The ultramarines are eh. But some of their successors, such as the Iron Snakes, or one of my favorites being the Marines Errant, are pretty awesome.
@@killianasheart5175‘twas a joke fine sir
“Those knife eared bastards think they can go faster than me?”- Famous last known words of the Khan
It's a common misconception that we were tricked into going in the Webway; we actually heard there were races
@@ladywaffle2210 he always manages to win
To the endless infuriation and frustration of literally every elder in the webway
No matter how fast they go he's just there at the finish line sipping a martini or something
@@josharmstrong8813 That's actually also a misconception, though more grounded in fact. The majority of Eldar are run into the ground by my Khan; the only one that wasn't was this little bitch called Baharroth, the Phoenix Lord of the Swooping Hawks. They have to win by two and neither has done it yet. They've been racing since the Khan disappeared.
>Implying the Khan isn't racing the Eldar to this very day.
@@Bluecho4 last “known” words, the Imperium is lucky it doesn’t hear the trash talk that likely happens in the Khan/Eldar races
Something else: the part of the Imperial Truth that the Khan _really_ didn't like was lying to Humanity about the existence of the Dark Gods; the people of Chogoris knew _of_ them, and by extension so did he. So he really didn't appreciate something being called the "Truth" being based on a dangerous lie that would ultimately put more people at risk.
And he was right
@Naveen KV no. Xenos were all known. But he tried to hide the existance of the chaos gods as people cant worship what they dont know. Didnt exactly work though 😂
@Naveen KV Not exactly. The Imperial Truth was basically state Atheism: there are no gods, period. The Emperor especially wanted to eradicate religion and worship because those activities feed the Dark Gods and other entities in the Warp.
Because that's what they are: things in the Warp are thoughts and emotions given physical form; worshiping them just feeds them and makes them stronger. So Big E came out and said "there aren't any gods, and anything that lives in the Warp is just a feral animal." Big E's idea was that if everyone stopped worshiping the Chaos Gods, they would starve and the essence that made them would disperse back into the Immaterium.
There were two major problems with that. First, the Chaos Gods are very, very powerful, and are able to influence people in the physical world to start new cults pretty much anywhere in the galaxy. Second: the Emperor, himself is also very, very powerful, to the point where people started worshiping _him_ as a god.
@Naveen KV That's exactly why Lorgar was publicly humiliated. That, and Lorgar's obsession with spreading his Emperor-worshiping religion to every planet he conquered meant he was the slowest out of all the Primarchs at bringing new worlds into the fold.
@Naveen KV It's the latter. Big E told Lorgar to quit worshiping him as a god multiple times, but Lorgar ignored him. That's mainly because Lorgar was raised on a planet that was filled with and ruled by super religious people (who actually worshiped the Chaos Gods, but unknowingly), and Lorgar adapted those beliefs before he was found by the Great Crusade, believing in one all-powerful god above all the others. So when the Emperor arrived, with his overwhelming aura and enormous psychic powers, Lorgar thought "I found him. By beliefs are all justified I found the one true god!"
If I remember correctly, while White Scars may shudder at the thought of being interred in a dreadnought, they don’t dislike those interred in them by default. From what I know, White Scar dreadnoughts are used almost entirely in the role of guarding fortress monasteries, especially the gene seed repositories. This role, as you can probably guess, doesn’t require speed, which makes it terribly boring for the average White Scar and perfect for a willing dreadnought.
The other white scars: OH BRAH, WE WERE RIDING THE WAVES OF XENO, IT WAS FUCKING RAD!
Drednaught: **Crying**
White scars enjoy the sensations of life. Bring a dreadnought is numbing and this not a desired outcome. Still having an ancient warrior teaching lessons is valuable for maintaining tradition, lore, and knowledge.
I always think that the White Scar Dreadnaughts are like the retirement plan when a white scar just got enough of too much speed and they just want to stay and sleep
@@deadeye9439 When the fast IS too furious, if you will
1. Bows were always the weapon of choice for samurai. Katanas, like swords all across the world, are weapons of last resort and dueling, which coincidentally is the most interesting part of combat to write about in books and movies.
2. White Scars like to fight orks because the Speed Freakz are the most similar to White Scars in combat. Drukhari have a speed focus, but prefer using cheap tactics, for instance.
3. The White Scars were a legion created for the purpose of going out ahead of the Great Crusade and softening up the galaxy ahead of them. They were built to fight xenos, which is why they still prefer it.
1. Yep. Samurai only developed a significant focus on the katana, culturally, during the years when they transitioned from warlords into landed gentry. When their place became the courts of a unified Japan, their relationship to weapons became romanticized, and few weapons were as romantic as a blade.
2. I was just thinking that the Speed Freakz seemed like a fitting counterpart to the White Scars.
Apparently they also like fighting the Saim-Hann wild riders, since they're also always on bikes.
People tend to not knowing that Samurai First Weapon is Bow, until i believe 1400s when they start using Blade and during Sengoku Civil War, some Samurai start using Matchlock
For point 3, the Raven Guard and Alpha Legion served a similar purpose, right? They would go in and destabilize the enemy, so that the rest of the crusade would basically just have to clean up.
Source for 2?
"I hear you do strange things to your warriors..."
- That's an EXTERMINATUS level burn right there. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Promethium fueled clap-back
Mortarion: "Jaghatai Khan you can't drive without a license"
Jaghatai Khan: "Oh yeah, F*ck that!"
*Jaghatai begins to rapidly spins the driving wheel while pressing the pedal with the Deja Vu music getting louder*
The samurai shoulder plate is an evolution of Japanese shields, their main purpose is to protect the torso and neck from arrows making it a good choice for the Tau
Plus the fact that for a decent amount of time mounted archers were the meta in Japan, it allowed them to keep the mobility and ranged attacks without too much obstruction.
@@joshuamcisaac1832 that was of course, until the Portugese came and introduced a new meta: "Gun".
@@theseventhcolumn9827 you know, mounted archers made a comeback in 40k Only they're on bikes with bolters hahahaha
@@theseventhcolumn9827 the gun was only widely used after Nobunaga came into the picture though, before him the Japanese thought of guns like flashy fire sticks, all flair and no substance.
A shields main purpose to offer protection? I had never thought of that, I thought they were decretive
I feel that the reason why the Khan disappeared was because he went to warp to travel back through timr to ancient Terra to find a man who has harnessed a power known as the Speed Force.
And big E is just laughing now. Thanks.
It's really creepy hearing his corpse laugh.
And his name is Barry Allen, The Fastest Man Alive
@@arachneforlife3127 If that was the case, then Thawne (reverse flash) would have died from
Emotional damage
That thumbnail will haunt me for all time
KEKW
KhanW
khekW
Topic Dreadnoughts: in the damocles series is a scene where there was a severely wounded marine who didn't want do get forcefully "entombed" in a walking tomb and never feel the wind again. Korsarro Khan kinda asked Shadowsun to help him in this misery, for he couldn't release him himself.. She nodded and "liberated" the wounded white scar.
A very cool dynamic between the Khan and Shadowsun in the series, borderline kindred spirits
Holy crap someone other than me actually read that story- yea it was a great scene that demonstrates the scar’s relationship with dreads beautifully
@@tpot3679 as a former T'Au Player i couldn't drop those books 😂
Which book is this? Or excerpt?
@@DeadGothicRed its in the "damocles" series, but i can't recall which book exactly for i listened to the audiobook of the omnibus on *insert well known audiobook service here*
@@DeadGothicRed “Damocles” - not the campaign book, but a collection of short stories. It had shrike and kor’sarronon the cover fighting shadowsun.
Had some… moments in it which were questionable.
What really gets me wasn't the fact that Khan solo'd an entire ork army, impressive for sure... but that he routed them. He made the orks, the xenos that use weapons capable of detonating in their own faces and living for the thrill of combat, route. He made them flee in unbridled terror. Full grown boyz cowering in fear from this 1 man. That is what I find truly impressive.
It gets better when you think about both their sole purpose in life is to fight and that this was a ARMY of orks, so even the biggest and strongest of them were running and screaming from this mad man.
@@BrotherVoidBomber that the only other thing to do this to orks was dark age of tech humanity.
The binary on the new Mechanicus _inspired_ shirt reads: *“Toaster Sex”*
it truly is inspired by them
MAEK PAENIS INTO ROBOT
@@delgado290690 *CLANK CLANK CLANK*
You know, ironically, the Tau are a more historically accurate sci Fi depiction of the Samurai, cause while pop culture knows the Samurai for their swords, in reality, Samurai adopted the use of firearms and gun powder pretty early, and were known to use them well.
Hell the samurai in the Last Samurai, the real life Samurai they were based off of had a school renowned for their artillery.
Learning about the war between the Japanese samurai and the Korean military it was interesting to see how the samurai had way better arquebus technology, and the Koreans relied on the bow and arrow, but the Koreans had better naval cannons due to the fact that the warring states period was almost exclusively a land war. The koreans won that war due to Admiral Yi continuously kiting the Japanese navy and avoiding direct boarding at all costs, because the samurai were extremely dengerous in direct combat. So that war had both the Samurai being masters of range and masters of melee on different fronts
Samurai also considered it imperative to become masters of the bow and spear. The sword was actually never the go to first choice weapon for them.
The White Scars are a big scary biker gang, but they’re one of those ones that like go and guard the houses of abuse victims
The white scars are basically the biker gang guys who help out the neighbourhood after a disaster
Shy is one of the missing primarchs. The one who got banished for memes that were too dank. The Imperium was not ready.
No, she is Alpharius.
@@heavystalin2419 That is a lie!
@@JCDFlex No, that is Alpharius
“Being crippled is cringe” holy shit that got me
As a Katawa Shoujo fan, that made me kek
Guilliman and Dorn: *seething judgement on Jaghatai from coming from essentially the Renaissance*
Leman Russ: *happy viking noises*
Dorn was very pissed at Leman after he decided to go and kill horus by himself. And i mean VERY pissed.
I think it was more that the Khan had pretty much conquered his home planet, and could have easily lived in luxury in the walled cities with it's palaces and farms, but instead decided to stick around with his troops living with huts and horses. To say the least, this made Dorn and Guilliman butthurt.
@@chugiakjrtheplaywwright6461 They werent but hurt about him not
Living in luxury. Due to the fact that the khan did live in luxury in relation to how chogoris was developed. Its more that they werent sure if giving him a legion and its fleets while he didnt even know what gun powder was. Its like giving a mongol warrior an army of profesional soldiers with m 16s. Probably not a good idea.
@@davidpujman6082 which is still stupid considering how fast all the primarchs learn ANYTHING they set their minds to.
@@EvelynNdenial id like to point out that horus did complained about russ when he was found just like dorn and guiliman complained about jaghatai. It is a logical choice to do so in this situation.
They like fighting Orkz because not only do Orkz enjoy fighting to the same amount as them, but because the Orkz all like going extremely fucking fast too. The Ork Kult of Speed and the Speed Freakz especially.
So overall the best single combatant in 30k was sanguinius. He wasn’t really a duelist per say but as a single combatant no one else came close. The guy soloed a titan legion, a greater demon of khorne, and then gave a fully possessed Horus a run for his money all within a day
Yup. Even in 40k, the CQC specialists on loyalist side are Blood Angels.
Space wolves too
@@Blazo_Djurovic 2 words for ya: SPACE SHARKS
Yeah Russ and Jonson were the only ones on his level and Jonson was arguably a better 1v1 duelist but Sanguinius would win anyway due to the distinct advantage of being able to fly
@@openaardvark419 Eh. While Wolves to like getting up close and personal, it's mostly their youngest and brashest pups that are charging straight in for the kill. There is a distinct trend as they get older the more they take battle as a hunt and tend to go for longer ranged options and ambushes. As befitting hunters.
to be fair, fulgrim only won cause he used a demon weapon and caught ferrus off guard, he was losing that duel up till then.
Correct
What many didn't know is that kahn was meant to symbolize the emperor's sass
Just like how Bricky after he dug through Konrad and the Night lords stuff, I myself, after hearing and also looking up more on the white scars after this episode, maay have gone down the same path as Bricky. Cause I can now proudly say that I am now a White Scars fan due to Adeptus Ridiculos. Neat.
Scars were my first minis! Do em right king!
I do think for some of the Astartes and Primarchs, you're just not gonna have a lot to say about the chapter. So like, having the primarch ep be "here's their origin story, horus heresy and then aftermath, here's their whole deal" and the follow up being "here's the chapter and some cool stories and moments for the primarch " is a good format
Bit odd you guys omitted a few things:
- Kor'Sarro
Anyways:
Kor'Sarro is the current Master of the Hunt and Captain of the 3rd company.
The Master of the Hunt, once every 25 years takes a look at the list of adversaries that they battled, but haven't exactly killed yet (Shadowsun for instance).
During that time (the Rite of Howling), Kor'Sarro is free to enlist any company of White Scars in his service and go on a "Great Hunt" to kill the target on the list.
He also sorta, kinda acts as Chapter Master now as Jubal is unfortunately crippled and permanently in a hospital bed after an invasion by the Red Corsairs onto Chogoris.
- Rivalries:
The White Scars and Raven Guard don't get along because of their opposite approaches to warfare. Tho since the Damocles campaign vs the T'au, Shrike and Kor'Sarro became friends and have been trying to get the 2 chapters closer together over time.
Sneaky boys who focus on stealth and slow special secret squirrel stuff vs the loud flashy speedy boys.
I could honestly see how their two doctrines of warfare could be combined to devastating effect, like First the Raven Guard singles out the key important figures to sow confusion and Dissaray in the ranks of the enemy, then while the enemy is scrambling to regroup, The Whitescars come in and smash through the enemy like a sledgehammer.
That rivalry thing always seemed odd. They really don't have opposite approaches *at all*. Both chapters focus on carefully observing their enemy, then making a calculated ambush/charge, and retreating if the fight isn't going their way. If anything, they should bond over the latter part, since most of the other chapters seem to despise that idea (specifically calling out the Scars for it). They have slightly differing approaches, with Scars emphasizing stealth and RG emphasizing stealth but.. They're probably the closer to each other than to *any other loyalist chapter*.
I can see a friendly rivalry there, or maybe some mutual friction due to how the boisterous nature of the Scars might conflict with the quiet humble brooding of the Raven Guard but.. Let's be real, the RG have friction with EVERYONE in that respect, Corax is even called out for it in 'Raptor'.
I would love to see these guys do a Primarch tier list.
Lorgar in C tier for the choir Boys 🤣?
@@chrono3652 I can't believe you've done this LMAO
Can I ask why though? I don't understand and don't think I ever will, why does everyone seem to enjoy tier lists?
@@jakejutras5420 because they need other people to tell them what to think about x subject and who is "objectively" best in a subjective contest
@@jakejutras5420 for me. I just enjoy hearing people's logic/ thought process behind their decisions on the tier list. Very rarely do I ever agree with a lot of the choices made, but it is also a quick and easy way to find out about characters without having to make/ watch entire videos about them.
Man im in my early 20s and hearing that new vegas is over a decade old now is making me feel old.
Shy, thanks for -putting up with DK and Bricky- doing such a good job editing these episodes.
Best description I ever got of the white scars after learning about the world eaters and thinking they was really cool, “the white scars are like the other side of the coin with the Khorne followers and the World eaters”. Love this episode and look forward to Cia Cia Ciaphas Cain hero of the imperium!
While Mortarion was studying sickness, Konrad was studying the screaming Gallery, and Fulgrim was studying himself(intently), The Khan was studying the blade.
"I ride till i die, then i ride some more"
-speed boi, white scar dreadnaught
They use a specially designed bike made from like a land speeder or hover tank chasis
I can not wait for them to talk about space wolves, and get to the part where Logan grimnar SPRINTS in terminator armor to kill greyknights and an inquisitor lmao
That sounds both awesome and absolutely terrifying
@@theenderdestruction2362 ohhhh it is. Don't fuck with Logan Grimnar it doesn't end well lol
@@xpansiongaming5274 yeah I expect nothing less from a terminator
I'm guessing White Scars like to fight Orks for one of two reasons:
1: The Orks also enjoy going as fast as they can while sometimes dressing like historical Mongolians, so they have opportunities to compete with a force that encourages them to do stunts while they fight.
2: It's readily apparent that the Orks also enjoy the fighting and the personal danger that comes with it, so there's no reason to feel guilty about killing them.
The katana was a sidearm and should not be compared to a main battlefield weapon. It’d be like comparing a pistol to a rifle.
It was uncommon to see a samurai choose it as a main battlefield weapon without atleast a bow or lance but a pistol and rifle comparison is too much of a difference, a bow even the yumi is only gonna bruise you in armour at best and so a sword is the best option, spears are great too but they can be deflected by a samurai unless they are on horseback since the area of damage/stabby stab is drastically different and it's common for people to try and just move the spear away
The best analogy would be bringing a dagger to a sword fight
The main battlefield weapon is a fist.
@@heavystalin2419 so you heard of the ottoman slap?
@@snepping1885 insistin' on a fistin', boy?
I feel a good analogy would be
“Bringing a 5.56 rifle to falucia when you could of come in with a cqb fal.”
Is the difference noticeable eh are you at a dis advantage maybe?
“YOU KNOW WHAT?! BEING CRIPPLED IS CRINGE” my sides literally fell off and left the terminus system
By the emperor, it's been a while since I spit out my amasec, but the Khan snipping his Ork bonsai did the trick.
upon implimentation of the White Scars geneseed, you get a desire to go as fast as possible, and you immediately grow a sweet-ass mustache.
WS Geneseed flaws is similar to IF Dorn's Rage and BA Black Rage called Chogoris Savagery
@@Madjo-qj2ge No, it is disbelieving that brakes exist.
@@falscher2 What’s a brakes?
The Emperor canonicaly started shedding bits of his soul, (e.x. his humanity and kindess, The StarChild is those shards) he started that process during the men of iron rebellion, in order to help and rule men better.
Why is that? Doesn't that make him more inhuman?
@@suacemanaquiatan9380 yes. But he needed that inhuman coldness to both unite humanity and be the conquerer of the stars. Cold and calculated and little more.
Where is this from?
@@r.cdahuman7682 nowhere, he gave up his human emotion to kill Horus in its entirety
@@cryamistellimek9184 that's what is said happened. Considering we have next to no info on his personality after the battle, it's not really accurate to say it happened for sure.
"If you read the comment section, you are insane!"
Shy: "I read the comments :3"
Thank you Shy!
Every single time Bricky mumbles about Salamamders I look over at my cherished "Lord of Drakes" book and smile. White Scars are great though.
Bricky: there's this great exchange between the Khan and Fulgrim.
Me: *starts screaming*
I'll admit the ships and warriors thing isn't even that great, but I really like the exchange right after about the potential duell
@@power-armoured_german9856 that bit I do like. I'd rather that be quoted more
It's the "Khansai Tree"!!! I need this in my life.
"...killed Ferrus Manus, but who cares"
Angry Iron Hands player noises!
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but THEY ACTUALLY EXIST!?
@@ДмитроДорофеєв I've met a lot of marine players. I've never met qn iron hands player. I've met a lamenters player a white scars player and a carcharadon Astra player but no iron hands
What? TT wise IH playera are quite popular as their legion is usually very powerful rule-wise because of the dakka
@@adrianjezierski8093 I'm not a TT player and won't be in the nearest time because of GW IP nonsense, I just know lorewise the IH are pretty underdeveloped and that there aren't many books about them, so I assumed they weren't a popular FF chapter to begin with
@@ДмитроДорофеєв They were popular at the beginning of the 8th edition when their rules were OP af. I've seen many unbalanced things in games, but 8th's Iron Hands were an army, where you could put your cat or dog in charge and they would win anyway. Until they were nerfed to the ground; now in 9th they are just okay.
You really really REALLY want to read Warhawk of Chogoris, Scars and the Path of Heaven. Chris Wraight did an amazing job writing up the white scars and Jaghatai, this trilogy really made the scars my favorite Space Marine Legion. Great Episode as always, loved every second of it.
Ukhrakh, Ustakh, Brothers
Regarding the Emperor centric books: Valdor Birth of the Imperium, Master of Mankind, Malcador short stories, and the final Dark Imperium book. Another tidbit, its hard to understand the Emperor when he physically looks different to different people and his chad aura makes it hard to talk to normal people.
This was yet another great installment on Alpharius.
Just want to point out that Doge Vandire has made it onto luitin. Considering the frequency you hear about memes there has to say something, they be moving up.
Generally speaking, the education and art things are also huge influences from the Mongol empire. Genghis Khan himself, interestingly enough, wasn't 100% all about atrocities like a lot of legend makes him out to be, but instead WAYYY more about establishing bureaucracy, organization, and stability. His bad rep is a mixture of historical fact, actions of affiliated generals and tag-along raiding armies, and the fact he mostly pissed off China who has enough cultural clout to rewrite the majority of Asian history. But more than conquest it was the unification of cultures all over Asia, and especially the appointment of fitting leadership such as local governors and ensuring regions were rebuilt to last. For comparison, other "great conquerors" of history like Hammurabi or Matthias Corvinus would die and immediately see their work undone by the failures of descendants and uprisings within a few decades. Genghis established an empire that lasted for over 90 years, and only divided into four parts after the death of his great-grandson. To say that the White Scars are a "less savage" Mongol deal is a bit misleading, since I'd say their speed demon bike warfare, crusades and campaigns against xenos, but understanding of the importance of not just tactical thinking but also long-term thinking for the sake of civilian life and strengthening themselves, just like the Mongolian Empire itself.
The rape thing is real and provable thing 1 in 200 men in the world are decedents of Genghis Khan, and the dude died 750 years ago.
@@Thornbeard The historical records - however correct or incorrect they may be - aside, the genetic abundancy alone is absolutely no proof of that. The only thing it proves is a still going genetic lineage. Nothing else. Wayyy too many generations between then and now. Almost all living europeans are descendants of Charlemange and he lived a very different life from Genghis Khan...
People seem to forget that Ghengis Khan allowed all religions in his empire as well. He built his empire on meritocracy based almost entirely on how effective you where at your job.
@@B2kCyclops dude also had a shit ton of wives/concubines and his children did too.
@@B2kCyclops Honestly, even going into the historical records verified, we have 6 wives, alright that's not an insane amount, but then /over 500 concubines/ which would make an impact no matter what on the gene pool. And Charlemagne is a great comparison- European kings weren't as big on the "hundreds of concubines at a single time" thing, but they DID indulge a lot- enough for impact like that.
Looking forward to when the Space Wolves eventually get covered, DK can’t protect his nerdy boys forever
My favorite concept is just a White scars chasing an Ork truck and the ork says "This thing go any fasta!?".
That Kekw Thumbnail is beautiful knowing what Jaghatai did during the Heresy
So Fulgrim also had his sword of warp spaghetti when he fought Ferrus so I think there is room to argue at least he would have lost without it.
But also I feel Sanguinis would be considered the other of the top three duelist over Kurze for the same reason. Hawk boy could also see the future.
Technically it wasn't Fulgrim that fought Ferrus. The demon had already taken over the body and locked sad boy in the painting. Even Horus called him out on it. Ferrus was fighting a a partially ascended demon primarch.
Yeah I don't know what Bricky was chatting when he said Curze there, he's not even a swordsman. Very dangerous primarch sure, probably even top 3 in all round fighting skill, but for straight sword dueling it's definitely between the Lion, Sanguinius and Khan. As the Khan says himself, Fulgrim is too flashy for his own good, and yeah, did have a deamon blade when he killed Ferrus, but I'm not sure how much that helped really. I honestly don't think Ferrus was that great of a fighter compared to some others.
We need some kind of tier list for primarchs, probably for multiple separate categories, as many of them are too different to be compared easily. Like, Leman Russ killed Magnus (well, mostly), but then Angron also beat the absolute fuck out of Russ, but simultaneously got surrounded and would have gotten dogpiled with overwhelming firepower had he landed a fatal blow, so it's kind of a win but also not? But then are we to assume that if Russ beats Magnus and Angron beats(?) Russ then does Angron beat Magnus, or do they have more of a rock/paper/scissors type effect?
@@Hawk_of_Battle well bookworm magnus is paper, clawy wolf dude russ is scissors so angron needs to be rock.
Yeah, the Lion, Sanguinius, and probably Fulgrim were the best swordsmen and duelists, no question. But even in the face of that skill, Ferrus was unstoppable, save for the melee equivalent of aimbot that was the Laer Blade
I have spent the last three months watching these in order and I'm finally caught up and kinda sad I don't have more to binge
Next videos out next week,don't be so sad!
white scar dreads be like
*Even in death, I still swerve*
jaghatai kek was the cherry on top and hearing it from DK too made me fucking roll
Also another thing I've learned from this episode?
The Khan is the most anime Primarch ever XD
Just imagine the scene animated with Khan and the Orks....... I would watched evyr Night before going to sleep :3
@@umbragecko7520 well until GW gets their head out of their asses first XD
The entire lore of Primarchs in 30k to 40k is just perpetual Shounen series being milked by GW for decades without any final conclusion, much like some of the OG "Big Three" franchises in Japanese Manga Industry up to worldwide (even though there has been new and fresh contestant in Shounen genre and it's subgenres compared to GW's lack of notable competitions),
@@ArtificialDragon sadly.....yes
@@ohamatchhams yeah.. also i didnt mean GW by themselves but the Fans passionate stuff ,BUT! GW is attacking them with cooperation greed
On the topic of forgettable legions, Iron Hands: got their character aborted
Ya
@@ironcaptainurrienpelles6964 I’m as sad as you are sir
I'm sad that nobody talks about the iron hand
@@coldfrost5 I’m sad that they had to be the legion who didn’t get enough lore for people to care besides the die hard fans
Hoping eventually bookclub will do helsreach. That way DK gets someone dying from a heart attack in warhammer
Mortarian VS Khan feels like that "I only have to hit you once, Dex-nerd" meme
Great Episode!!!!
Alot of people underestimate Angron too, but he is a duelist. It was his whole shtick, upon Nuceria.
The White Scars love for art, comes from Gengis raiding whole cities and letting live technicians and artists. So if the Mongols come, remember to start painting.
I never had a favourite Primarch, maybe Vulkan prior to diving into 40k lore.
However the Passage of Khan talking to Dorn and Sanguineous about the outcome of his inaction and what will happen if he acts.
Without hesitation chooses his fate and decides to ride into his uncertain doom if it saves lives and helps his brothers.
Essentially a man who was shunned by those he served and protected, untold battles and horrors faced in the deep reaches of the universe, always out of resupply and reinforcement range... yet always loyal even to an unthankful Imperium and when his closest friend and brother, one of the only Primarchs to truly see his value turned traitor.. he remained loyal.
Khan is the best boy imo.
Honestly, this video has pushed me to start a White Scars successor chapter. I always wanted to do a more melee oriented chapter.
Plus I'm a masochist and I want to hurt myself by painting white armor.
My white scars successors are grey. Much easier to paint
As a dude with a white Scars army I feel that pain. I thin down the white contrast down now to do the shading and by the throne it is waaaaay easier
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You said the quote Bricky, you are forgiven.
Man, New Vegas came out when I was just starting High School. Now I’m watching this video after finishing a year at my graduate job and I don’t know how to feel. Thanks for making me feel old in my 20’s guys.
“This is where the fun begins.”
-Jaghatai Kahn upon receiving his first motorbike
God I’m such a tank nerd I instantly recognized the vehicle at 42:25 to be an M4 Sherman chassis. The HVSS suspension is the giveaway.
So I’m not arguing for this but more can’t actually remember, wasn’t Sangunius or something regarded as the best Duelist among the primarcha? It was either him or Fulgrim I think
I mean they were all pretty good, konrad could see the future but lion el clapped him. Ferrus was apparent not great, he often lost his head and that was his greatest weakness.
But that's the thing, they were the "best regarded" as in, they were known for it, but the problem comparing them to the Khan, Khan was unknown.
I believe that Sanguinius was considered to be the best fighter overall but some of the other Primarchs could give him a challenge in certain areas.
Like in terms of swordsmanship the Lion and the Khan could give him a good run for his money, Horus was basically as much of an all rounder, etc.
@@ShadowGhost0117 actually Sanguinius was seen as the best swordsman at least according to leman. Russ himself even said he couldn't beat Sanguinius in a fight, which is a *massive* compliment.
He was also just the best all around single combatant. He defeated a greater daemon of khorne, held off a enchanced Horus and fought a titan legion during the Siege of Terra. He did all of this himself mind you.
@@r.cdahuman7682 I know. I should have clarified that I did know he was the best.
I also love how one of the greatest Space Marines in the lore is a Blood Angel (Dante)
I was surprised that they didn’t mention one of the core mindsets of the White Scars: laughing in the face of death. Or real origin of the name White Scars, which Jaghatai said “[people] misheard the first, and observed the second”.
I’m surprised Bricky didn’t mention the “Head Chaplain” or the current Chapter Master(Master of the Hunt I think it’s called)
master of the hunt is the captain of the third company. the chapter master is called the 'Great Khan' and is currently held by Jubal Khan. sorry, I don't mean to "actually" you, I just made the same error when I was first getting into white scars.
Those Dreadnoughts look like they're piloted by Dr. Robotnik and I love it
Are we boycotting Warhammer+ and avoiding buying more minis?
yes
I am
Yes.
Yes
Yup
Well, I was really salty about the Khan episode but damn Bricky you stole my heart
I honestly think Bricky overstated how savage the Mongolians were. By the time you get to Kublai Khan, they were fairly well educated, good at administration, and had a bureaucracy that worked off of meritocracy.
They still butchered people, but you take the good with the bad.
Also the tales of butchery is something we get from recollections of their foes and is a reputation they liked to spread so they wouldn't need to do sieges.
Also if memory serves right, Genghis Khan was very open to integrating civilians into Mongolian society and the benefits of their societies into his. It's how Mongolia crested an effective mailing system.
@@Blazo_Djurovic ^This. Our cultural perception of the Mongols is tinted by the ones who wrote about them. Which is to say, Medieval Europeans who were scared to death of these foreigners who were effective enough to challenge them, and probably would have conquered more of the continent if a succession crisis hadn't drawn their forces back east.
The Mongols were probably scarcely more brutal than, say, the Romans. It's just that the Romans wrote their own history books, and so could paint their conquests in the most sympathetic light.
@@Bluecho4 As one NON Roman source said on how Romans operated.
"..turned a land to wasteland and called it PEACE". :D
@@MidwayWuzzupman he brought the idea of universalism that was inherited by the empires that were built from his civilisation.
The White Scars do have dreadnoughts, but they're mostly used as relic guardians, they sometimes do get deployed though
What i understand of the white scars killing xenos is because they love to fight:
-ork speed freaks, i think they did on Armageddon and came out untouched
-eldar windriders, because fast bikes
Hey man. You better pay Gengis some respect he might be the grandfather of all of us.
"EVEN IN DEATH, I STILL SWERVE!": White Scars Dreadnought.
If you hear throat singing over the horizon, it’s too late. You ain’t getting out of there in time.
Week 2 of kindly asking Adeptus ridiculous to do an episode about the salamanders
EVENTUALLY
@@Adeptusridiculous after that do iron hand legion
I would love to see an iron warriors episode and warsmith honsou little pet project.
@@Adeptusridiculous nah IRON WARRIORS! IRON WITHIN! IRON WITHOUT!
@@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745 Ferus "I can quit using iron any day, but not today" Manus
Fun fact: Most Astartes chapters actually don't worship the Emperor as a god.
Heresy.
Yeah he said that in a video.
@@ethanhall2655 no his manliness surpass the powers of even gods
No astartes chapters worship the emperor. No books that I've read mention it. They just basically do everything in his name. Thats all.
@@nicholasjoseph9062 ya know. Except the black templars.
Can’t wait for them to get to the space wolves and realize just how wrong bricky was detailing them, In Wolfsbane leman realized the error of his ways at the council of nikea and was talking with dorn and the khan about it one of them asked do you regret what you did? To which leman said back “yes.”
Also the explanation of why the space wolves see psykers differently is where fenris is and that it’s some sort of limbo between the warp where spiritual beings “like ghosts” can exist this was represented on the tabletop until 9th edition allowing you to summon the souls of freki and greki the thunder wolves that leman grew up with, and another interesting point is that the emperor himself cannot deny the funny stuff that happens of fenris and it even has him confused
Also going back to the the discussion with the khan leman and dorn both leman and the khan said there librarians draw upon a raw and less powerful version of the warp whereas Magnus was studying the most extreme cases.
Yah he's very biased against the space wolves but he seems to not know much about them other then the book a thousand sons
I enjoy this podcast, I've listened to each episode about 3 to 4 times now. Have it on at work and at home to chill and make art too. Big thankyou again for this great nugget of content!
Bricky; Only the Salamanders and maybe the White Scars actually care about normal humans
Me; *Growls in Fenrisian*
@_*ZAPATOZ*_ "those few" is actually anyone that fought bravely besides them. It honestly isn't that hard to get on their good graces; even factions they are not too fond of can become allies on the battlefield after a while. Don't break an oath in smelling distance of them though, or they will basically turn into warhammer fantasy dwarves and hunt you down until they can murder you.
(sourced from a book, a squad of space wolves was sent to help a city defended by sisters of battle against death guard foces lead by a random-ass sorcered called the Myconite. Of course the wolves weren't happy, but ended up growing fond of the sisters, and went BALLISTIC when the canoness in charge of the whole place got strapped to a penitent engine for "not winning fast enough, and needing the help of the wolves" by an asshole cardinal that acted a bit too much like Kryptman, wanting to exterminatus a hive world before nurgle forces arrived to it, which the wolves hated a LOT. Hell, that book had the marines even be extremely happy some of the crew of their destroyed ship survived despite the mess on the whole planet, and just sat around the fire to hear their story)
Overall I'd say wolves are second in bro tier behind the salamanders. They still overall view themselves as superior to "mere mortals" and have some disdain, but they very easily recognize the valor of those around them and are very protective.
Valdor: Birth of the Imperium touches on the emperor’s decline, lighter than a feather but still
shy still being the best part of this podcast
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The KHAN-cept, good one Bricky
*BAD DAM TISHHHHH*
18:52 Except for all the heads of rival tribe leaders he stuck to his tent when conquering his home world.
The back-and-forth between the Khan and Fulgrim is rather ironic. The Khan is so sure he would win because he thinks that Fulgrim treats everything as a game, but that mentality shows that he know about as much about Fulgrim as Fulgrim does about him. Fulgrim treats NOTHING as a game. He is an obsessive perfectionist, and he actually puts a concerted effort into being a masterful swordsman. Out of all the Primarchs, I think only Fulgrim, the Lion and the Khan take pride in being sword masters, while the others use a variety of melee weapons. On top of that, while the Khan likes going fast and using blitzkrieg tactics, Fulgrim actually is the fastest Primarch (Even his stat-line on tabletop agrees). If they actually did duel, the Khan would not have a good time.
Yes, but who ended up as a shitty rape snake and who's still loyal?
I cant wait to see what DK thinks of the Space Wolves and the months of shame
I known no one will see this, but there is a section in this episode where Bricky and DK told about the degradation of the Big E’s morals. I would love to listen about that, because I know that the Emperor actually fragmented and created the star child. Hell an episode about the Emperor’s fragment would be really cool