How To Fix Neck Dive
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2024
- Lets talk about a great way to eliminate a common issue on electric guitars: neck dive.
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Place a " No diving " sign on your guitar and assert dominance
Yes
I read this as no driving and consciously agreed to it
or just mount a big fan on the headstock to lift it like an helicopter. doh.
Hahahhaha
were playing checkers while this dude playing chess
I'm a big fan of this technique
Lol
i went with balloons but i have a jackson so they popped on the headstock
But does lead have better tone that steel? You have opened up the whole metalwood tone debate Fluff!
*tonemetal
^mvp
*metalwood*
Gold
I had a Jackson Kelly that had terrible neck dive. the way I fixed it was gave the POS to my brother.
Ouch
I have the same guitar you had. To fix it i just attached the strap to the body of the guitar lol
My brother actually loved the guitar so he got it. I couldn't stand it. it drove me nuts
Was it a performer? I got one and the neck dive is horrible. My simple trick is to just play upside down
No professional series.
As an auto mechanic, I wholeheartedly approve of this message. Can't believe I never thought of it (considering my daily environment). Genius.
Just get someone else to hold the headstock while you play.
g00D TiP
That will help me a lot!
Lol
Alternatively you can also add some weight to the strap-end that is attached to the rear of the guitar.
Neckdive is actually most often caused by strap pin placement
IMO it's a body design flaw often remedied by strap button placement but to truly balance the guitar it has to have an evenly weighted body. an offset body tilts the weight on the top half of the body towards the headstock causing it to nosedive. a body with parallel conrours doesn't do that
but some guitars have a serious neck dive even without the straps.
Its the main cause. You can fix neck dive on any guitar by moving the strap pins.
@@misterknightowlandco Yup. Moving the back pin up will usually offset the problem.
Yep, my Jackson Rhoads had some bad dive. I moved the strap button onto the top right screw of the joint
You could strap some helium balloons to the headstock
Then ya gotta worry about neck warp from the upward stress. Plus if any helium gets in the guitar, it will make it higher pitched. Also, using the wrong color balloon has been proven to negatively affect tone. Terrible idea all around.
I’ll strap a drone to my headstock, so the propellers can simultaneously give me a haircut while holding my guitar up. Improvisation101
This is perfectly timed. I just finished building a double neck yesterday and it tends to neck dive a lot, and I'm trying to find ways to fix that dive. This was really helpful. Thanks for the upload!
After playing Les Paul's four three past 20 years, I just bought my first SG and the neck dive is driving me crazy, but I love the guitar. This is a GREAT tip man. Thanks!
Haven't you heard? You can fix neckdive by popping the headstock right off--Gibsons already have this feature built in! (Heeeeyyyoooooo...)
Darn right. It's a feature, not a flaw. "Play authentic" lol
Never saw it that way, just keep your guitar safe any guitar with an angled headstock will break if you drop it. Have had my standard for 12 years and it still looks perfect.
A little elbow grease... But hey! Neck dive is no more and I am very satisfied with the results! Thanks!
Ha Ha Gibson's Nice!
My father has these so I decided to throw them in my thunderbird bass to fix that neck dive. I even changed where the strap knob was and it helped a little. This legitimately helped me out a lot. Excited to be able to play my thunderbird again without that horrid neck dive!
I'm taking these off my spare set of rims and fixing my SG right now
You’re in for a bumpy ride
This is quite possibly the most important, functional, useful video on RUclips! Not just about guitars, of any video.
Thank you so much for this video. I've been playing guitar for 28 years and this is the single greatest way to fix this issue. I literally just used this technique yesterday on a SG copy that I love but couldn't play live without left hand fatigue
My Jackson Dinky JS32Q, which also happens to be my first guitar and what I'm learning on, has EXTREME neck dive. I didn't think to test it when I was choosing a guitar, and now I'm kinda regretting it. But this fix helps things tremendously! Can't wait to try it out!! Thanks, O' Great Bearded One!
Wow, I never thought of this. I've been a sg player since I started about 12 years ago and I always lean my right arm on the body to counteract the neck dive. I will try this for sure, thanks!
I have a mockingbird that I use a leather strap but still experience neck dive. I will definitely be trying this. THANKS FOR THE TIP!!
Did this work for your mockingbird?
I’ve used plumbers putty for the same application, and it molds to tight corners a’la les Paul’s. Worked wonders with my 335 (copy).
Chris O'Daniel you places the putty just as he placed the lead?
Kevin - Pretty much. The coolest thing about the putty is that you can still embed the lead weights too. Think of a pinewood derby car 🙂
Dude. I worked in a tire shop for years and I never woulda thought of this. Good thinking fluff!!!!
I own an sg and have never experienced neck dive.
I do that too for my Schecter V-1, they get crammed into all of its cavities. It has a Floyd, so there's a lot of missing wood mass in the body, so it takes a lot of them. Neck dive is an unbalance of a guitar's center of mass and the point where the guitar hangs from the strap on your shoulder. A guitar neck is a perfect moment arm that applies a lot of torque without a lot of weight because it's so long; think of using a pipe on a wrench to break a pesky bolt free with minimal effort as opposed to just using the wrench alone.
Hi ! I definitely cured my 2017 Gibson SG Special HP neck dive by DOING THE FORBIDDEN THING.
I bought a "VOX Strap Button Extension VSBE 500005000040", and simply relocated the strap button at the tip of the upper horn. Relocated at this place, plus the little extension provided by the "VOX VSBE 500005000040", the guitar became PERFECTLY BALANCED and extremely comfortable to play (very lightweight thin body).
So, it has surely slightly changed the aesthetics of the guitar (the strap button isn't hidden behind the guitar anymore), but I don't give a freaking furniture about it, 'cause it's one of my main guitars and it's a dream to play (and I don't intend to ever sell it).
COOL VIDEO MR FLUFF !
Yep I have a SG moved the pins no more neck dive. ( I looked at Angus's set up on his)
Heath Thompson was thinking of moving the pins on my SG do you have a link to the angus set up you reference or a pic of how you did yours?
I’m so glad I found this video. I’ve just got my dream custom shop Bass and it has a bit of neck dive!! Wheel Weights now in order!! Thanks so much!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻
That riff used in the intro is one of my favorite of yours. I believe it's in the Lace sensor alumitone review as well. Very badass choice for it. Love the vids.
This was the answer I was looking for!! All other options did not work and was thinking of small object with weight to counteract! Never would have thought of this, thank you so much!
Best tip ever. A wide leather strap also help with the neck dive
Cotton works as well
I have an SG and never had neck drive, BUT I had recently purchased a Jackson Kelly and it had BAD neck dive. Thank-you so much!!!
I use a 3" wide leather strap, but I turn it so the suede side faces out. I still need to be able to move the neck around without the strap grabbing on my shirt. The width and shape of the strap is enough. The width of the front end and narrowness of the strap tail keeps the bottom of my bass from sliding back.
I don't know if that's an issue on guitars, but that's largely what causes it on bass. Every time I use a strap that's the same width on both ends (e.g. most slider straps), it positions it on my body in a way that allows the bottom to move back and out, facilitating neck dive. Something about the narrowness of a leather strap tail limits the range of motion, probably because that narrowness allows me to hold the bass more in front of my body than to the side. It pushes against my body better, and that seems to be what prevents the neck dive.
This happens with my Les Paul a lot. It’s pretty annoying when I’m in the middle of playing something and I slowly start leaning to my left till I’m basically playing on the floor. Thanks for the tip
Man, I literally was thinking of ways to eliminate this on a new guitar yesterday! Nice one dude!!
This was very useful, im going to use this from now on. Thank you Fluff!
Hey I was thinking about this the other day, great video!
Thank you! With so many neck diving instruments I have had, I cant’t believe I haven’t thought of this before. Gonna get myself a pack of those as well 😎
Great idea! I recently putchased a guitar that has neck dive. I placed two small wrist weights in the control cavity. It's not quite enough weight. I'm sure by adding more weight using your method will totally correct the problem! Thank you for making your videos!
Thanks for the advice, Fluff! Didn't think of that or have seen it before. I will definetely go that way if I ever encounter neck dive on one of my basses as it I didn't have to change the position of a strap pin or do other major thinks on the bass.
Sadly, I'd need to add like 2lbs to my bass for this to work...It's a really bad problem on the Epiphone Thunderbird 5 string, to a point that I can't play it standing up.
You could always move the button or have someone do it for you, my 7 string is the only guitar I've owned that has neck dive. Going to try wheel weights and on a strap too first...
250g on a cheap precision clone from a kit.. The body is like made of balsa or something, i already was worried when i got the parts that this body feels sooo light and i was right. I'm going to make a cavity and pour lead weights and epoxy in it. It really sucks to have such unbalanced instrument.
Fluff says: "Its very simple, its quick, doesn't require any mods like moving the strap pins because who wants to put additional holes in their guitar" 1/4 of the comments be like: "bro just move the strap pins!" I honestly cant tell whose stupid, deaf, or just trying to turn Fluff's beard grey. The world may never know....
AGREED
I think you may be taking his word as "the word of god."
There is more than one way to skin a cat. Just because you don't like one solution, doesn't give you the right to call people stupid or deaf because they found it helpful.
Just move the strap pins.
Lots of people add holes by installing aftermarket parts.
Another thing you could try is hanging the guitar higher so that it hugs your body better. Strapped that low, the body of the guitar doesn't have much to grab onto and it creates a big pivot point.
I used to have an SG. This is a really ingenious idea. Thanks Fluff!
An amazing and cheap tip! I've heard lead fishing weights in the past but this is a much more elegant solution! Thanks Fluff! Now I can play my double cutaway Gretsch guitars!
Great tip, I own a ESP viper 7 with a bad neckdive. I will try this and see how it works out
That's a good solution if a small amount of weight is needed. For those of us with bad backs, ounces matter. Also, the further back you put the weight, the less you will need (leverage!). If the neck dive is too bad a wider strap is a good way to combat it as well. If those fail... you have no choice but to move the strap buttons so the center of gravity is further back on the guitar. You gotta do what you gotta do to make it playable.
Great tip. I had not really thought about wheel weights to add some ballast weight. Great option for anyone that doe not want to/cannot reposition the strap buttons.
Thank you bro, I just bought an Epiphone SG and I feel the neck dive heavily. I love the looks of this guitar ever since I was little but had no idea about this issue. I was thinking about using some sort of weight but the weights you recommend and the placement a 10/10 🎸
Love the new intro man!
Thanks for the idea, I just bought a BC Rich Mockingbird bass, I knew about the heavy neck, but just had to have it's beauty and killer sound. Now to sort out the dive 😂
Very cool!! What about the addition of a bigsby? I have a tele. It’s beautiful. But the neck is solid rosewood one piece. Didn’t realize at the time of purchase but it is definitely neck heavy. Bigsby don’t have much weight to it but do you think it would help in the slightest way?
Love the new intro!
Great tip. Super clever, affordable and best of all hidden in the control cavity!
DUDE THIS COULD NOT HAVE COME AT A BETTER TIME. I HAVE A 7 STRING MARC RIZZO SIG. STEALTH AND IT HAS KNARLY NECK DIVE. NEVER REALLY CARED UNTIL ABOUT 2 MONTHS AGO SINCE I STARTED PLAYING TECH DEATH LIVE. I EVEN DM´D MARC RIZZO TO ASK HOW HE DEALT WITH IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
Thanks! Thanks! Thanks! Thanks so much ! I've been looking for a good solution for so long👍. Keep up the good Work 😉🤘🎸
I bought my first semi-hollow guitar, and though I loved the sound, I found it almost unplayable standing up due to the neck dive. The added support my fret hand had to produce made it very uncomfortable. Guitar Center suggested using an Ernie Ball Stretch Comfort strap, and that pretty much solved the whole issue.
That's pretty clever. I'm definitely trying this. How much weight did you have to add?
This is so simple but such a great idea... Good job Fluff... Six Beards
I absolutely LOVE the RD style guitars!!!
Does the metal in the weights affect shielding in the cavity or does the electrical tape take care of that?
great tip.
how should I put them not to mess with potentiometer or the circuit?
That new remix of the intro sounds incredible, I’m curious.
FAQ
How did you get that new tone for the intro music on your channel Fluff?
Had some serious neckdive on my LTD Alexi-600 yellow stripes. Watched a few videos on Alexi playing and it didnt look like he had that problem at all. Studied the videoes closer and found out his straps was attached on a different place on the guitar. Changed the location on the strap bolt and solved it 😀 nasty hole coverd with a few matches and some black paint and good to go 😎
Thanks for the advice - My new Gibson SG Special has awful neck dive. I'll try some weights!
This is great!! thanks Fluff
Hey fluff, I’m late to seeing this but question. I have a Flying V and it has HORRID neck dive. I don’t really have the room in the electronics cavity, but what about attaching the wheel weights to the bottom of the guitar strap itself?
Going to try this asap! I have a Schecter Demon S-II and the body style is similar to an SG. The body is super light but the headstock is heavy
What's that usb port in your control cavity cover for? Do you have a rechargeable battery pack in there for your active pickups or something?
I greatly appreciate this info, because I have always just moved strap buttons, but I don't want to move ANYTHING on this guitar that I'm having neck dive with. It's an obscure make that was only produced for a year in '81. Cheers!!
Omg I’ve been trying to think of a way to counter weight the neck dive in some of my guitars for years but never knew how…..until now!!!
I got a question. U think using some kind of eye bolt on the strap peg to extend it toward the headstock would help?
Asking for a thunderbird
Dope tip!!!
Is it possible to fix a roads with this? Thanks for the video!
Gonna try this with my 6 string bass. I've done the strap pin relocation which helped... a little.
yo Fluff, nice video but i got an idea on how to improve your technique. if you glue them inside cavity, you'll have less space to fix your guitar if something happens with potentiometers (or something like that) but if you glue them on the cavity cover, you'll be able to have the whole space of cavity after you remove the cover. and it's easy to replace if something happens to it. have a nice day and keep on doing nice videos bro
Very very clever, and a unique approach!!!! Thanks!!!
best fix, neat and clean. Thanks Fluff! :)
Nice subject! Good video man
Just curious if you notice putting the weights in the control cavity adds noticeable weight to the guitar overall?
I'm a little doubtful on adding more weights. My bass is unbelievably heavy in itself, and I use double strap to compensate the weight. Adding them sticky weights kind of means higher chance of shoulders ache and such.
Depends on the severity of the neck dive. If the center of mass of your bass isn't too far down the neck you'll only have to add a few grams, so take some measurements and see if it's worth a try.
Interestingly, I've found that an unbalanced instrument is sometimes harder on the shoulders than a heavy one. I have a Vox SDC-33 that's lightweight, but has lots of neck dive, and it hurts my shoulder when I play it live. On the other hand, I also have a Les Paul knockoff that's super heavy, but it's balanced so nicely for me that I don't really notice the weight very much.
@@j.ivguitar8636 Necro bump but totally agree. Heavy isn't bad if it sits well. I marched drumline in school and all those instruments sit horribly on your shoulders. My back would aaaaalways ache after hours of practice
Hey man, how many weights did you use, and how much did each other weights weigh? I have my jackson kelly that I want to fix the neck dive on. I don't how many to put in the control cavity lol.
This is so freacking usefull. Thanx, man.
Great Idea. I have ordered.
Great vid!
Been doing this for years also, and it works pretty well.
This is a helpful tip, thanks.
I've been doing this for 20 years. Great tip.
hey can i just put the weights outside on the back of the cavity plate? thats fine right?
my jackson dives really bad but it rules so much. thanks
🤯 never even considered that. Thanks Fluff!
Great trick! been using it for years. I use the 1oz weights. Only took two oz. So you get more weight for less space.
I just got my 28.5 Hyperion 7 string. Holy neck dive from hell. I'm in love with it but.. I'm still battling minimal dive. The control cavity on my guitar is huge so I loaded it with weights like you suggested. It feels balanced when I balance it on my forearm. Standing however, the front strap mount on mine is not like yours which I thought was strange. I'm positive if I move the mount inline with the neck this will fix my problem.
Hey Fluff, can you do a review on the Morley Power Fuzz Wah (Cliff Burton Tribute) pedal?
I used heat shrink tube wit BB's and added gradually allot of weight on my 78 alembic series 2, I got a deformed shoulder, (3") strap too and it still dived. There are allot of factors to neck dive, they made a weighted strap with pockets for up to 3 heavy weights, failure. No adding weight might work on a small percentage but?
I used to attach a large gauged chain with some thread to the strap buttons on the outside of the strap. The chains would basically dangle off the light end of the guitar and counter balance the neck. This might not be super safe for finishes but it looks cool AF.
Hey fluff, please can you talk about the broken necks of the les Pauls? (Tips to avoid, why happen, etc) 👍🏻👍🏻
Great Tip... I'm using Fishing(led) weights wraapped in electrical tape (wow I wrote this like 2 seconds before you mentioned the tape)in the cavity and strap of my SG :)
My SG bass is already heavy on the shoulder, adding weight wasn't an option for me. I choose to change the headstocks for ultralite and I'm still looking for a non sliding strap solution.
Great idea man!
Ok...Thank's man! I'll try this. I just got Danelectro coral sitar and that's like a neckdiving nightmare!
Cue the Tone Weight discussion... =) I've been adding strips of lead weight to the back side of the strap close to the body to address neck dive on two BC Rich Bich's. With the DiMarzio strap system, I can use one strap for both guitars.
Great advice my guy