How Do Black People Really Feel About the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict?
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- Опубликовано: 8 май 2024
- Karen Hunter talks to a caller who strongly believes we should stay out of the conflict in the Middle East. Should we though? Dr. Sunn m'Cheaux Explains how important this fight is, and why we need to care.
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As a black man I went To Egypt and seen the Palestinians in gaze this is my fight. I stand with Palestine.
Do Palestinian Americans support your reparations in the US 🇺🇲?
@@sistahb5159 I don’t know and I don’t care if they do or not. I care about there cause because the land is rightfully theirs. They are the true semtic people in the region those who stole there land are white Europeans and converts it’s nothing wrong with that but Arabs and Arabic language is a semtic language with some African languages. The real Jews were people of color.
@@dominicjohnson307Exactly! You believe that Black Americans descended from US 🇺🇲 slavery should remain a bottom caste slave group meant to benefit other groups but not ourselves. You are for a people who feel entitled to our support but refuse to support us in what we require for our survival. God have mercy on you. You need to go back & read your Bible 📖 because you lack understanding. Smh
@@dominicjohnson307So you believe that Black Americans should be a perpetual help to other groups who feel entitled to our advocacy but refuse to support us in what's required for our survival. Got it! God help you! Smh. Re-read your bible. You lack understanding.
@@sistahb5159We as black people shouldn’t be expected help from others we should be helping ourselves. Yes we should help others it’s not about what should get out of it we should help because there was no one to help our ancestors when we were enslaved just like you tell me to read the Bible that’s not our religion that religion was forced on the black slaves. I read the history of Jews Jesus was a Jews that was of color and hair of wool. White people don’t have hair of wool.
That caller is grossly misinformed about Palestine and their colonizers
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This woman had the audacity to say that she "studies" both Jewish and Palestine history but says she's NOT familiar with the Nakba.... WTF!?!🤷🏾 6:42
Exactement
She speaks English not Arabic. Why would she know that term? The brother knew what he was doing by using a foreign term when he could’ve easily said “do you know what happened in Palestine in 1948?”
@@cstv-thirdsideofthecoin3189If she really were studying both, she would be familiar with that term. Israel was backing South African apartheid, that's all black people need to know.
@@cstv-thirdsideofthecoin3189 Bro, regardless of the language she personally uses, foreign words are often used (particular with English) i.e. Holocaust.. She stated she studies both histories; clearly not that much.🤷🏾
There's three different narratives. Palestinians call it the nakba
Israelis call it the war for independence
Historians call it the Arab Israeli war
She probably knew one of the other terms. Either way it's worthwhile looking at from multiple views.
The treatment of Palestinians is comparable to the segregation experienced by African Americans in the US. We have a moral duty to stand against white supremacy and injustice.
I'm a white man. Irish. And I agree with you 100%
Even though I am African American, the mistreatment of the Palestinians by the Israelis to me bears more resemblance to the mistreatment of the Native Americans by the European interlopers.
Palestinians & Palestinian Americans have a moral obligation to advocate for reparations for Black Americans descended from US 🇺🇲 chattel slavery. It is wrong for them to think they are entitled to our advocacy YET refuse to advocate for us. They do NOT own us. This is exploitation. And Black Americans must stop 🛑 this demanding & bullying to try to make us mule for other groups. It's self-hatred.
USA was "Israel" first.
Adolph literally learned from Jim Crow.
If you stand for oppressed people being freed, and achieving cultural justice... If you stand against ethnic & cultural genocide... If you stand against apartheid, then this is absolutely your fight. Do not ignore your moral compass just because the people being affected aren't a deeper part of your day to day. Now more than ever, we need people of all backgrounds to unify against the horrific policies & tactics being deployed by the Israeli government & the IDF. This type of brutal savagery cannot go unchecked and unchallenged by the global community.
Right now Israel is displaying how white they are, it seems that something in their nature is missing and not right about them, unfortunately they are the beating stick of the white colonial west, that is filled with the white man's arrogance and feeling's of privilege, just like John Wayne against the indigenous Americans in his movie's, it's descusting to watch unravel
Asking why Palestine hasn't done anything about HAMAS is like asking the black community why they haven't taken care of the gangs and crime in our communities.
A valid question for Black people.
@@GDL364Yes, and not just for Black people.
Like it ain't no gangs in white or brown neighborhoods. Mafia, MS13, Hell Angels. They're there. Faux News talking points.
Not every Black community is riddled with gangs and crime!🙄😒
@@GDL364 I guess this is a valid question too then:
Why haven't white people gotten rid of domestic and international monetary/digital/property/industrial CRIME that robs 95% of american public of TRILLIONS of dollars and gives it to the richest 1%?
Does "black" crime and gangs even equal a single trillion of dollars? If the richest 1% were prosecutable and remanded trillions of dollars to the public could poverty, crimes, and gang control be drastically reduced?
USA called ANC and Mandela terrorists. An occupier has no right to call anyone a terrorist.
The same ANC that is starving its own people while embracing so called investors who come and loot everything. Like Letta Mbuli said during the Apartheid era, "Not Yet Uhuru", back then that meant "We Can See The Light At The End Of The Tunnel". Fast forward to today, "Not Yet Uhuru" means "We Can See The Tunnel At The End Of The Light", we have lost hope in political parties especially the ANC...
Lets not forget that the Israeli government sterilised Ethiopian women without their consent. They also supported the apartheid state of South Africa. They are not friends of Black folk.
Yep
Yeah; they (the Israelis) are not friends of Black people. Ask the South Africans under Apartheid. Biden has proven to be worst than Trump. So who is your choice?
People seem to forget that not only did Bibi Netanyahu have the intelligence which he chose not act on prior to Oct 7th, but he has been using Hamas as an excuse to refuse accepting a two-state solution to make a Palestinian state a reality.
BTW, the Hamas attack was so rudimentary and low-tech, that a rational eye couldn't help but wonder if this attack was welcomed by Bibi Netanyahu as an excuse and an opportunity to use a heavyhanded response to remove and ethnically cleanse Palestinians from Gaza.
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Wholeheartedly agree.
What do you mean by 'low-tech' they hacked the system and shut down all the electronic defense systems there was no electricity or internet , that's how they managed to kill all the soldiers while they were sleeping and then continued to slaughter civilians. I don't really think you know what exactly took place at that horibel morning. I'm shock of the amount of misinformation you guys are spewing here! - and if you really care for black ppl so do you know that there is an Ethiopian hostage held right now in Gaza for almost 10 years !! Hamas are enslaving him because they believe that's how you should treat black ppl, in Gaza they call black ppl 'Abed' meaning Slave! 'FREE AVERA MANGISTO FROM HAMAS'!!!
Netanyahu's arrogance in the face of an ever increasing number of attacks on Israelis was a big mistake.
His failure to legitimize Hamas as a sovereign Government under international law was another policy failure that shines a bad light on Israel.
But do you really think Hamas tunneling through a border fence, use of para-gliders under the cover of a sustained rocket attack upon the kibbutz, and military posts upon Israel during the holy week of simhat Torah was LOW TECH.
Palestinians have only 1 recourse and that's bow down to what Israel 🇮🇱 dictates. They haven't got an army large enough with 2 other Iranian proxies to defeat the Jews.
The Arab Gulf states are tires of them and too enamored with worldly riches to come to their rescue, the rescue plan was abandoned way back in 1973 after the Yom Kippur War.
@@johnalexander4940it wasn't a mistake, it was intentional. The Bibi is trying to stay in power.
It's everyone's fight for humanity not just in Palestine, Congo, Sudan and every other place in conflict. Matter of fact we still fighting in this country for civil rights what they owe.
Right and those people saying who cares are the same one claiming to be Christians and christ like...uh ok
When did they march or support reparation for ADOS? Stop demanding we be the mules for other groups who don't support us.
@@blackheywoodheywood AMEN
@@blackheywoodheywood.....When was there a march for ADOS ? Hell....you might need to make more black people aware of your group and demonstrations to make sure that the ones who are making the demands are there before worrying about some support. Which is clearly another group's choice if they select to show solidarity. When you say support that would presumably mean that there is a high level of awareness and lots of information available about whatever it is you're trying to do. And there should definitely be a huge number of black people.... both young and old, who without any hesitation would make it known and a priority as a whole. Even Karen here on this platform would if she thought it was of a great interest and a real legitimate thing with feet.
@@davidpeaston8443 We have been fighting for reparations and full equality specifically for us, ever since US Chattel Slavery ended. We fought for reparations when Dr. King was alive and only a few ADOS/Black people supported him, this nonsense that we must have large numbers of Black Americans fighting for reparations for us to receive them makes no sense. There aren't large groups of Americans who support any wars, yet that doesn't stop our government from giving them money to continue their wars. Reparations are a long, overdue debt that our US Government owes her American Descendants of Slavery that we should not have to fight them to get, either. Btw, what is your lineage, Mr. Peaston?
Israel has been playing America for years
Repeating news sound bites doesn't support an argument against the Jews.
How are they playing America when that's who set it up and props it up and funds it and protects it from accountability?
How is Israel playing America when they are guarding the oil?
He didnt stutter@@jeffkaluga997
Now they are trying to take our freedom of speech when it concerns any indifference with the Israeli government That first caller sounded lie a plant.
As an Egyptian, this video restored my faith in humanity and American society a little more. This was wholesome. Free Palestine 🇵🇸✌️
Ahlan sis, we know where we stand as black Americans. We remember the solidarity and have a big Muslim presence in America.
Not all of us are educated but we are working on it. The same forces that oppress misr also oppress us and Palestine.
Lakin sawf nanta9ir
Dieru balkum a 5alkun
(My family would be ashamed that my Arabic sucks so badly ✌🏾 😂😅)
@@user-jv8kr4im1t your Arabic is more than fine. And I thank you for the heartwarming message. May Allah guide us all to his most righteous path 🙏
I’m saddened by the ignorance and lack of empathy of the caller. As a Haitian born American, I am very glad that my ancestors didn’t share this viewpoint…My ancestors understood that if we weren’t all free; none of us were. It is bcuz of their strong belief in freedom that my ppl remain in a constant state of struggle. Genocide is not something I can’t turn away from. My humanity and my conscience won’t allow me to be so desensitized to the massacre of ppl.
Just to be clear. It ha s been your OWN people of Haiti that has forgotten this. Your demise was oof the many in power of Haitian decent that have sold you out time and time again. All the relief money has never helped your people. Just the people in power who happen to be hatian sell u out.
Let's be clear..our hearts are broken for the Palestinians as well as Haitians...but our stance is..where are yall when and during our atrocities...crickets! we are waking up to the reality that..we have no friends or allies.
Nobody ask you to share the view points, it all depends what backgrounds you coming from and found yourself in
I saw all different people at the blm protests. That's not my expierence.
@@umalee3782Let’s be Crystal Clear
Here! I specifically remember Palestinians in full support of African Americans marching in the streets demanding Justice for George Floyd’s murder. The problem with your people and people like you is that you have selective memory syndrome and expect non black minorities to march and support your people more than their own and when it’s time to rerun the favor your people start playing mental gymnastics and start suffering from “amnesia”. Then y’all have the audacity to wonder why you’re all alone and why other minorities in America refuse to stand in solidarity with y’all it’s because y’all don’t stand In solidarity with them as well.
I’ll never understand why anybody develops such strong opinions about a subject that they’re incredibly ignorant about. It just doesn’t make any sense. 🤔
Facts 💯
Chile...I was gagging. I'm like uhhh what. The caller didn't even know the basics. There are docs online about the history of Israel and palenstine. It's not hard or complicated
@@Theinfamouskiki411 I watched all those documentaries & listened to numerous long form podcasts from reputable Israeli & Palestine historians, as well as former ambassadors for both people & the U.S. Literally every source indicated that Israel is a ethno-nationalist colonial fascist apartheid state hell bent on ethnic cleaning & now genocide in both Gaza & the West Bank because of unfettered U.S. support. It’s so complicated we’ve seen this playbook before. I’m just embarrassed it took me so long to remove the propagandistic facade we’ve been subjected to for so long.
It literally makes no sense! She sounded ignorant af!!
That's why their talk about it I think
We stand with them be because we as blacks has been thru and are still going thru the same things… tf wrong with this lady
Lol you see everything from an oppressed vs oppressor lense. You view Israel as white colonialism but if you know the history they’re not. Arabs still enslave Africans people till this day. Black people in Palestine are treated bad. So do you really know who u should be standing with?
@@sunnydays6237 I agree with the lady caller. When we were and still are being opressed NOBODY stood up and fought for us. Some nations assisted in the attrocities against black people. We have so many needs and deficiencies as black people we have to focus on our own issues. So many of our people were killed and the atrocities going on now overseas have already been done to us.....and it gets swept under the rug...no resolution. No one has said yet.....HOW this directly affects black people. It's past time for us to be selfish and speak to and get resolution for our own fight. I feel for anyone suffering and I am not saying what is happening is right. But what is happening in my own backyard is not right...I am going to start and concentrate my efforts there. We allow ourselves to be gaslit and lied to and laughed at with committe after comittee and others dismiss our peoples enslavement and the generational cost with NO REGARD....while we suffer in so many ways. So just like everyone else....we got our own problems..we want to fight for something....? Fight for some free mental healthcare and substance abuse help grants specifically for ALL black people...even just this one thing would be helpful....how about we fight for free education for blacks getting degrees in EDUCATION, STEM and PSYCHOLOGY, ACCOUNTING,BUSINESS MANAGEMENT, MEDICAL and LAW....Lets get that going. WE GOT TOO MUCH WORK TO DO. OUR PEOPLE ARE DYING...OUR FAMILYS SUFFERINGʻ..GENERATIONAL TRAUMA AND DYSFUNCTION AND FEAR....WE CANT AFFORD TO GET LOST IN SOMEONE ELSES FIGHT...REALITY IS NOT IN A BOOK...ITS RIGHT IN FRONT OF US. 💖🙏🏾
As an Israelite and an historian who has had the privilege to study history from primary sources available to serious academics I can assure you that Black people are the only indigenous people on the planet. Do you think that a book that starts with Genesis ie human origins is not about Black people? Shalom
@@davidbenyahuda5190 The Israelites don't exist. That was thousands of years ago in Canaan, the kingdom of Israel. Old history.
But when did they ever stand up for us ??
Marilyn should've just drank her water and stayed quiet.
SHE WASN'T READY!!!! YOU HAVE TO COME WITH RECEIPTS!!!
Ready is an understatement. Poor lady. She's really just tired of seeing and hearing about it and can't express just that. 😂
Still doesnt make it relevant to black america
@@DSNCB919 exactly. Even if her response was silence, she would have still been correct
EXACTLY!!!
Wow, Maryland was Not ready! A perfect example of an arrogant, ignorant American. She had her whole chest out, without any receipts in her pockets. Her tone shift and hesitancy to answer was evidence that she was about to go all Sara Palin on Sunn. Prof. Hunter was far more patient than I was with her, because she should know better, if she listens often. Thank you for the kind humbling you gave her. I hope hers is a cautionary tale for all those who want to jump into any discussion unequipped with facts.
We know how it feels to be pushed to a breaking point. If you lash out your demonized. If you do nothing, your invisible.
Exactly, I know it too well.
For decades l have fumed my tax $ support a fascist lsraeli govt.
What is fumed? I don’t understand your comment
Oh so your tax dollar support for 2 Iraqi, Afghanistan, prolonged occupations didn't bother you.?
Jewish ✡️ hatred isn't hard to spot.
@@aka0819you are slow
it's litterally the only country there that isn't a dictatorship lol. Jordan is a kingdom, the PA had an election once. Abbas won for life. Iran, Afghanistan, Yemen and Gaza had violent take overs by Islamic extremists...Iran used to be a democracy before this. Please learn what goes on in the world before spreading lies.
I want to thank the young brother for taking the time to explain to the audience and the lady on the phone the background for the conflict. Like Neely Fuller Jr. says always ask questions. This will lead to having a meaningful conversation.
I got my popcorn
I fully respect the college protests for what is happening with Palestinians and Israel. It’s tragic.
However, Sudan is experiencing genocide and people are starving. Haiti and the Congo are in turmoil as well. I would love to see the same protest energy for other parts of the world.
This!
That part not to mention the genocide that’s been happening in Ethiopia for the past 30 years
People hate genocide in Gaza but ain't said a pedophile about genocide in the Congo correct.
YES YES..Blacks should care about this but we don't..Because we are biased against Jews,
I agree we should help the innocent in these conflicts.
But what can we protest? Our government is not directly involved in them.
When they came for the agitator, I said nothing when they came for the collaborator I said nothing and when they came for me, there was no one left to say anything
This is a fight that black Americans are helping to pay for, so everybody's involved. Whether they want to be or not.
Hello! Thank you for your show! New subscriber and I am of Persian background. I believe we all need to stand together to fight oppression be we are all stronger in numbers and mission!
Welcome, Mary!
The problem is that WE are always aligning ourselves and fighting WITH EVERYONE! The question is WHO IS FIGHTING and PROTECTING US?!!!?!
Dr. Sunn m'Cheaux has a brilliant mind. His analysis is again spot on!
Always! 💯🎯
I also appreciate how he politely, and respectfully had her show her own depth of knowledge.
Actually he's not spot on.
He fails to address why aren't universities standing up for african genocide in Darfur Sudan and the borders of Chad.
( Africans don't count )
Israel 🇮🇱 are far from a perfect country. They are a blessing to the world.
Financially, technologically, spiritually for starters.
( Africans can't link their cause with the Jews
The Palestinians haven't blessed the land they've waged warfare on the Jews from day one. Lost, lost, and lost and will continue to lose as their aspirations are religiously motivated to wipe out the Jews at any cost even their own lives if necessary.
I’ve learned more about this conflict listening to this segment than all the mainstream media/news outlets have been reporting since Oct 7th when this all kicked off and have a clear understanding of it. I appreciate your show and the people you have on…May God continue to bless you and use you🙏🏾♥️
An injustice for one group is an injustice to us all.
Thank you. Well said.
Nice slogan but it's not backed up with facts nor logic.
@@nkashamasankofa1114 Them today...You tomorrow.
What's happening in Gaza can easily happen to blacks in America especially, given the majority of blacks live together in concentrated areas.
If you don't think it won't happen, read history....and like Gaza, when it comes to Politics don't look for people in power to save you.
Bullshit, that's never true for Black Americans. Stop cherry-picking King's speech.
Every time other groups have drama we want to jump in. I understand about injustice for one is injustice for all. My issue is none of these groups support black people when we need support so I don't believe we should be involved. This crap has been going on amongst these groups for centuries.
Telling the TRUTH is everything.
There's a reason that South Africa took Israel to the ICJ over claims of genocide: _they recognize apartheid when they see it._ This is a humanitarian issue & it's hard to ignore what looks like a full-scale, ongoing genocide.
That's nonsense. The S Africans just fired their FM. Yes the one that took Israel to the ICC and that's because the ANC Government just lost the election. The SA people is not the same as the ANC party
Stop the Genocide
Not all Jews are Zionist and/or Israel. Makes me sad to hear that it’s between “Jews and Palestinians”.
Yes, the Netanyahu crew like to frame it that way, 'with us or against us' while actually as you note there are many Jewish groups against the genocide. In Israel, B'tselem, Adalah, and many more. Plus Jewish groups for peace around the world. Zionists pretend these groups don't exist; they disrupt the narrative.
Until recently Benni the butcher had high poll numbers and was reelected.
That's what the Zionists want you to think; it does a great disservice to Jews who are not Zionists and is no doubt the cause of the recent increase of antisemitic incidents.
Excellent show! Just found your channel today and I’m addicted!
welcome home!
Thank you Dr.m’Cheux for teaching…👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
The most pressing issue in the black community is the abysmal performance of our youth in public and charter schools. Not saying we should not have a say in the Gaza war, but we must not be distracted from the issues that significantly impact our communities. Though the war in Gaza is very troubling, it simply does not move the needle forward for black folks. We have fewer allies and are becoming a permanent fixture at bottom of the social/economic ladder. The math does not work.
The math never adds up for us because most of us are fighting against each other here in our own communities 😢sad but true.
Isn’t it the parent’s responsibility to get themselves and their children out of those communities and seek better education? I just wanna know when does the responsibility fall on the parents. I didn’t wait on anyone else to put my children in good school. Didn’t complain online. Just did what I had to do as a parent. I didn’t even think about my race.
Yes yes and more yes..Thank you..
It’s our tax dollars going to foreign governments and wars instead of helping our schools and our society. And our tax dollars going to the military industrial complex instead of helping us, the people.
While I agree that we must be resourceful in looking for ways to educate (and safely house) our children. Your comment screams, "I got mine, why can't you all just get yours" arrogance. It makes me wonder what you're doing to help those with situations similar to your own; since you knew how "to do what you had to do". Your comment seems to ignore that everyone doesn't start with the same education and circumstances. The ghetto is an intentional government construct that some just have a difficult time escaping... not just Black people.
I cannot be missing these shows.
PREACH, Dr. Sunn m'Cheaux!!
I just love how you've stated the facts and explained the truth about how this conflict began.
Meanwhile, Prof. Hunter was spot-on in her analysis.
Thank you both for the great conversation!!
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Thank you teachers.
"Injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere"! (MLK)
"South Africa's freedom is not complete until Palestine is free" (Nelson Mandela)
"I am He who searches minds and hearts." (God) (Rev 2:23).
Then ask yourself, why are Palestinian Americans against reparations for Black Americans yet feel entitled to our advocacy?
@@sistahb5159great claims require great evidence
“Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French...What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct...If they [the Jews] must look to the Palestine of geography as their national home, it is wrong to enter it under the shadow of the British gun. A religious act cannot be performed with the aid of the bayonet or the bomb. They can settle in Palestine only by the goodwill of the Arabs... As it is, they are co-sharers with the British in despoiling a people who have done no wrong to them. I am not defending the Arab excesses. I wish they had chosen the way of non-violence in resisting what they rightly regard as an unacceptable encroachment upon their country. But according to the accepted canons of right and wrong, nothing can be said against the Arab resistance in the face of overwhelming odds.” Mahatma Gandhi, quoted in “A Land of Two Peoples” ed. Mendes-Flohr.
Karen is ROUGH. I love her, but, she does not suffer the ill-prepared.
Professor Hunter should not ever suffer the ill prepared. When you call into a talk show you should have your facts in order and be articulate enough to present them.
no should suffer the ill prepared...no one.
I've heard a few people say that we shouldn't care about it. You have to realize that as long as our funding is instrumental to the ongoing bombing and brutality. Therefore, we are involved.
Right? Like I'd accept this position if they're willing to form a wide coalition to support cutting our aid money to Israel, but somehow people think the "uninvolved" position should mean getting robbed every tax season by a foreign country
Marilyn did NOT ONE iota of research or study!
Yes girl, she just wanted to pull a Tiffany Haddish on us. She reminds me of some black liberals bought by AIPAC to do propaganda
Exactly....0 research except to listening to mainstream media.
SO.
Finally, someone on the show who I agree with about people voting....let the people decide for themselves.
Why don’t any of these groups ever fight for us but we’re always expected to take on the fights for every other group?
Who expects Black people to do anything besides something negative or shallow?
You stupid.
Dr. M'Cheaux gave concrete examples of how THAT other group DID fight with "us".
You stupid or you a white troll trying to separate us.
I will remember your name.
Fight Oppression every where. Take the human high ground. Don’t be a selfish.
@@keta9479 shut up. Y’all always wanting us to “take the human high ground” but yall never practice what yall preach and yall are ALWAYS selfish looking out for your specific group
Facts
That was fantastic. Dr. M’Cheaux's summary of how Hamas came to be and the reality of what's happened in Gaza since October 7th was beautifully concise.
The problem is everyone considers Palestine and Hamas are the same entity. They are not. Hamas is to Israel as Al-Quida is to America
Israel is no different then the worst Terrorist groups on Earth.
Both created by America
I really appreciate watching these segments of the Karen Hunter show, because I do not have XM Sirius.
I really miss not listening to siriusxm anymore. I moved to Ghana and we don't have siriusxm here. I really do miss Karen Hunters education for 2 hours.
This was an awesome episode. Thank you guys for what you're doing.
Growing up, I was a “nosey” child lol. So when my mom would be in conversation with my aunt’s, they would start to “talk over my head” using words I didn’t understand. At that point, I would go find my dictionary. Marilyn…. Go find your dictionary because the DR. was coming with terminology and acronyms that you were NOT ready for! 😊
I thumbed up this clip and felt compelled to chime in..Some of Our Elders n best thinkers have said We have NO allies..this sentiment maybe a slight exaggeration or not to be taken literally, however the Critical question needs to be considered" why Do others Groups not Reciprocate the support for our plight n struggle as Melanated dominant People? for decades They have watched from the sidelines here in America, Haiti, Congo, Sudan, S.A. while atrocities have been ongoing...Over 150 yrs since slavery and yet WE globally have no Power...cant get a Hate bill passed, wont seriously consider reparations etc , etc, ' So is it our fight or should we be more focused on US and where are the other Arab countries in stepping up to aid Palestine as a genocide is ongoing w/ their neighbor? I also think ur Guest made a good point that no one is talking about that needs a deep dive...The Israeli gov funded/created Hamas!! sorry for a long winded response~
This! No one wants to talk about this. Now I’m not saying we shouldn’t care about other humans. Not saying that at all. However, my conclusion is black people suffer with self hate subconsciously- they don’t even see it. They feel so powerless about their position until they’d rather muster up the last bit of energy they have, not for themselves, but redirect ALL of their energy into focusing on others’ plights, bc somehow this makes them feel better or accomplished about something. If that ain’t the definition of lack of self love, self abandonmentI , and product of religious conditioning, I don’t know what is. Meanwhile, the WORLD continues to laugh, berate and steal from us collectively.
This is NOT a black American's f'n fight. We are discriminated against way too much to have any God damn passion for more horseshit the man gets himself into. Leaders are thrust on us as if we all collectively have a wish to look up to preachers for help and just one civil rights attorney. Pathetic is all this is.
My issue with the conflict is i cant remember either side coming to support black people in recent years. Voting rights, George Floyd March, Ferguson, etc. I just havent seen they level of support for black folks from either side. Correct me if im wrong.
Explain exactly how the Palestinians could remotely help anyone. They live in a Police Stated funded by the USA. Meaning your Tax Dollars.
To be fair both sides did show support for the George Floyd situation, and Jewish people, I can’t speak for Israelis have been in solidarity over voting rights, police brutality, and other issues over the decades .. And , In fact the Palestinian’s who’s currently being slaughtered their “BDS National Committee” went public with their support against American police brutality . BNC is the largest Palestinian civil society coalition. With what little voice they have they’ve called for an end to all state violence against black people, and the release of Black political prisoners across the planet .. There were, hopefully still left artist murals of George Floyd in Gaza , and the West Bank … There’s more but a lil research on your part would uncover .
@@onlyalisaawilliams that was not support. Both Jews and Palestinians give fake lip service to Black Americans because they try to hijack our momentum and make our fight about them. Which is disrespectful and racist. So tell all the story. This is not our problem. And black ppl need to stay out of this.
@@onlyalisaawilliams Thats not the flex you think it is. Everyone supported the George Floyd situation . Opportunistically supporting an issue doesn’t mean it’s inherently a black issue.
Correction: Both sides have and continue to show contempt for Black people...FOR CENTURIES. Both sides have enslaved Black people for centuries. The Arabs enslaved Black people through the Sub Saharan slave trade...for centuries, and the yewish people financed the trans Atlantic slave trade. Black people are still slaughtered in the streets on a daily basis and you don't see either group demonstrating on the streets on our behalf. Karen Hunter and this guy are totally lost.
Caller ain’t reading. Just talking. I agree with the caller that we are wasting our political capital fighting for people in another country. We (ADOS) have our hands full right here in the USA.
What political capital? ADOS or any other black group in the states can’t expect beans for our community when billions of our tax dollars are going towards killing folk who were the Guinea pigs for our present (continued) oppression.
We do indeed have a huge problem in America. We don't have time to worry about two groups of people who actively despise us! People are so blind to the plight of ADOS.
'ADOS' as if Black Americans can afford to be excluding unity with other Black people.
@@timothymoore6341 where are you getting this about an entire group of people actively despising us?
You KNOW WHERE WE ARE GETTING IT.
The ignorance of the caller is crazy, how could she not know about the Nakba??
There are millions of her types trolling and walking around!! that's the problem.
there were 2 Nakaba in the 1950 .... if you want to be accurate
I found that Palestine is open to black folks while Isreal is not . Then to see this war it just reminds me of who is antiblack . Black peoples are of and about love what are they about over there
Both sides are actually equally obviously anti black 😮😢 just look at the comments everywhere. And there other bigger communities environments that are also anti black 😮
I can only really talk about my experience with Jews.
I went to a white majority elementary school. The only kids who would talk to me were the Jewish kids. One of them is still a friend nearly 70 years later.
So I have quite conflicted feelings about Israel, Palestinians and Gaza.
we must separate the PEOPLE/HUMANS from the politics/power. There are Jews that see what is happening as wrong...Holocaust survivors on the side of the oppressed Palestinian people. This isn't the Jews vs. Palestinians. It's Netanyahu's government committing inhumane acts on human beings...
Your Jewish friend has nothing to do with the Israeli Gov’t and it’s genocide. Nothing to be conflicted about it.
@@MOSxNY exactly.
We had Jews in the ANC which was fighting Apartheid in South Africa while supporting the Palestinians. Photos of both the late Yasser Arafat and Nelson Mandela can still be found on the internet.
Anti-Genocide doesn't mean Anti-Semite, besides, Arabs, North Africans and East Asians are more Semitic compared to the fake European jews...
This is so on point!!! Thank you both! 🙌🏽❤️🔥🙌🏽
Thank you, Karen. I just had this debate with a good friend. He isn't voting for Biden because of the Gaza situation, but I tried telling him that the alternative is way worse. He's saying our speculation of what our future looks like is not as important as what is happening right now today. I understand his frustration, but I told him allowing Trump to win will not only make it worse for all of us, but for the Palestinians as well. Like you said, we are in a pivotal time in history right now and it's way too dangerous to not vote for Biden because that just leaves us with Sweet Potato Hitler. I'm gonna forward him this video. Thanks for all you do!
Books to start with:
100 years War on Palestine by Rashid Khalidi
The General’s Son by Miko Peled
Everything bye Norman Finkelstein and Noam Chomsky.
THANK YOU!!!
And anything by Ilan Pappe
"If you are Neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the Oppressor"
Desmond Tutu
Great episode
I agree with the caller. Not understanding even if we look at the history of Palestine and Israel, not sure what that has to do with African Americans.
Dr. King did NOT worry ONLY about 'black folk'.
Malcolm X eventually woke up and realized he had common cause with EVERYBODY who is oppressed.
Would you like some quotes where they express that principle?
we are humans first before being black or white...
and for one to not support another's struggle goes to show one's inhuman approach to how humanity should work... because if during our own struggles if everyone says the same thing you are saying we will still be slaves
You pay for it, so it has something to do with you. That simple.
@@Jellyclaws221As Americans we have paid for all the wars including over 20 years in Afghanistan. Which we were affecting their civilian population, plus our service members were getting killed. I don't think we should be sending money to help either side. We should be neutral. Black youth also does not need to put their future at risk for people in the middle east. Those people have been fighting for over 70 years it is a lot of history behind October 7th and the retaliation. It is none of our business these people did not protest for us in the 60s plus immigrants to this country never wanted a coalition with us in our own country. MLK and Malcolm X wanted that and thought they would when they moved to the country but they only want to align with people of no color.
@@lez2884 you're over complicating things and adding in layers that nobody brought up. Who said we should be going to war and sending black youth? All I said is that this concerns us because we pay for it. Regardless if you care about genocides (which is an interesting position but sure) we still pay for it. And its happening ONLY because we fund it. So its our business to protest our tax support of a genocide. I cant make people stop fighting half way across the worl, same way I cant stop my uncle from smoking crack. But im sure gonna say something if I'm paying for it to happen.
It’s not a fight it’s Jen-o-side
Love you Karen! Keeping it real!
Thank you for the Education!!
5:01 - 8:40 extremely informative.
The Apartheid, Ashkenazi,(Khazar) minority rule in contemporary Israel, bears no resemblance to the Semitic people of biblical references.
Arthur Koestler's work "The 13th Tribe", documents the historical transition during the 7th and 10th centuries A.D. of the Khazarian people ( empire) of central and eastern Europe who for political expediency converted to Judaism because they were more in conflict against the Christian and Muslim factors ,all of whom were heavily militarized.
The Khazars, who were vanquished by the forces of Genghis Khan, eventually evolved to become the Ashkenazi sect of Judaism, hijacking the dogma after migrating to Poland.
Koestler notes that claims of anti-Semitism by this Ashkenazi sect is 'perhaps the cruelest hoax ever perpertrated upon a historical timeline.
The Ashkenazi (Khazars)jews are not true descendants of Semitic people. A historic case of 'identity theft' has been at work here.
"I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews but are not, but are the Synagogue of Satan".
Revelations 2.9. According to scripture, the speaker of that quote is God.
Thank you kindly 🙏 again for your Commentary
😂😂😂😭Lawd Karen, I almost spit my damn coffee out when you asked her what books she reading so you all can be on the same page, superb, muah😘
Her point still stands. This is not our fight, alone. The entire world needs to come together
It is when we are supplying the weapons! And those who claim to be Christians say this? I'm puzzled. We are a human race and best believe if the world dies nothing how are we gonna get free here? And when they relocate them.here then what?
That wasn't her point, she doesn't want us involved period. Her ignorance is shocking, to say the least!
That is not what she said. That was not her point whatsoever.
@@sean-hu2fo - Agreed.
@@sean-hu2fo Facts.
If you don't know the past, please don't speak on the future. Read ,study, learn first keep yo feeling out of it.
She right black people need to stand down and mind their business.Start taking care of themselves
Awesome discussion! The Dr. lays out the facts!
He stand💯correct on the men shot with their hands held in the air.
What about the babies on buses that are bombed?
Deplorable!
Yes, I they were even waving white flags.
@@jeffkaluga997Yes, and the more than 14,000 Palestinian children that Israel has already killed.
@@misstunes1765 No, that's when they killed there own!
Dr Sunn m'Cheaux spoke very well, the lesson and grace given was masterful, i would of suggested to the caller to join Knubia :)
Thank you Sunn for speaking out❤
New subscriber here. The level of your knowledge on the situation is top level
thank you and welcome!
We have to fight for what's right because it's the right thing to do.
This issue is it's a one way street. Watch as these so called coalition disappear when it time to talk about Reperations
Why is Karen talking down on the caller. The caller is right, this is not our issue and we can let others do the heavy lifting for a change. Also when black people defend others and get braced up no one speaks up for us
Wrong. The Palestinians marched with black people. Malcolm X backed the Palestinians, that's all you need to know.
Malcom X backing them confirms my point that this is an Islam vs Jew thing not rly about it humanity let’s be honest
Thank You for speaking truth young brother.
the man has a good heart
I also want to thank Karen and this young brother for having this convo
I'm glad Maryland called in so people who think like her could get that lesson too. The history lesson was improtant, the lesson to not open your mouth just to be disagreeable (without facts) was priceless.
She doesn't know the origin of Hamas..but she's studied Jewish and Palestinian history??? 😮
Exactly. Make it make sense.
😀😀😀😀😀...She's delusional and a well breed colonial project that is working!!
Yes. She boldly said what she said.
My first time listening to this channel and I'm subscribing. Very intelligent discourse here!
Keep being the light!!
There's the issue of Hamas and Islamism which I am 100% against. There's also the issue of right-of-return for indigenous peoples in different regions throughout history, and the question of what constitutes indigenous. There's also the issue of is Judaism a religion or is it a race and if it's a race let's prove it through modern DNA analysis, which some modern-day Jews are willing to participate in while others are not despite claiming to be descendants of the original Biblical Jews. So there are a lot of issues all mixed up in the arguments of the moment. But in my opinion, Black Americans need to focus how things affect their own interest first and foremost and then try to help others to the degree that it is possible.
it take so much to explain why ppl should care that it’s clear it’s really nothing ppl can really do. How can the oppressed do anything for other groups who are oppressed? Having a conversation abt it does nothing but spread some awareness but that’s where it stops
Good! Now leave us ALONE
One issue with simplifying the fundamental reasons we should care about global issues is that people will also use the same simplification to analyze the information. It requires critical thinking.
Excellent explanation !!
Good point towards the end - I WAS on the side of not voting for B but I heard from Elie Mystal, made a good case for why I should - I will - too much at stake.
thank you for sharing this, Charles.
The folks hollering we need to concentrate on black American issues only are the same that are MIA on black American issues. 😂
Exactly!
And you're making stuff up...
Old Ice Cube lyric” And mickeyfickeys that say they too black…put ‘em overseas they’ll be beggin to come back…”😂😂😂
BINGO!!!
@@nkashamasankofa1114You must be a white person!
Thank you guys for enlightening Merlyn
Karen, I love your show!!!!
THANKS.
Our tax dollars go to both sides, so we’re indirectly involved. Palestinians and Israelis have never sided or supported African American struggle in any way that I’ve seen. As a matter of fact both groups have been problematic to Black Americans in numerous ways. They don’t show up for us in a positive way at all. Cut it out..👏🏿
I don't believe that Palestinians have ever had any power... to help black Americans.
Secondly the US media has done a good job of spreading a negative view of black Americans.
So many foreign peoples who have never lived in the US only see those negative stereotypes.
i don’t know the last time an American Indian did something for the Black struggle, but i still don’t think they should get their lands churned up for mineral extraction, i don’t think it’s ok how their women keep going missing every year, and so on.
what’s right and wrong doesn’t depend on who did what for whom
@@WeeWeeJumbo I remember when different tribal nations of this country helped Black Americans. It was before and after the Civil War. I'm African American but one of my great grand fathers was Lumbee, my grandmother is half Black half Lumbee. One of my ancestors was 11 years old when slavery was abolished. Before that various tribes gave sanctuary to Blacks who escaped from slavery. You never heard of the Black Seminole Indians. They have land out to the west of NC, SC and GA. They were the only unconquered tribe on the eastern seaboard. This is because the Seminoles blended with Blacks that were slaves. It doubled their numbers and helped them in their battles against colonizers.
Same thing happened in the Carribbean and South America. Tribal nations blended with Black slaves and many fought together against their oppressors. There were thousands of revolts aided by the Tribal nations. You won't learn about this in the white washed public school curriucilum.
Long story short Tribal Nations have had our backs for centuries. They are my family just like my African heritage. Their suffering is our suffering, so don't be like the caller in making assumptions that are insulting to a whole race of people who actually have been one of our greatest allies.
@@WeeWeeJumbo Also the Lumbee Nation had several armed confrontations and fights with the KKK after the Civil War during and Jim Crow segregation. I remember when I was a teenager growing up in Hawaii. My dad was stationed their in the Army. Bunch of Neo Nazi's and skinheads tried to jump me and some other black and latino kids after school. The local Hawaiian kids all came out fight along side us. They had our backs.
@reiw5802 And who controls the media?
Let's have the same energy for the Sudan!
we do. and the Congo and Haiti.
I think you guys both educated that caller as well as me in a very informative answer. A lot of situationals happen when comes to war and it is our responsibility to know as much information as possible before we jump in to a discussion. Great show.
If all us "black" Americans actually knew our history we would know the Federal U.S. government did us the same way. They committed genocide, occupation, and ethic cleansing then took the land.
Only difference is the Palestinians haven't given up on their right to self determination and a government for them and we folded and instead of having a government that puts our best interest first we accepted the occupation of the Federal U.S. government and received Civil Rights. History is repeating itself right before our very eyes and because you don't know your history you can't see.
Plus the Israelis originate from the European continent and converted to Judaism to become jew-ISH; they are not from the biblical bloodline of the Jews of Judah they have no right to that land as they claim. Europe and the United Nation just put their problem off on the African continent after WW2 by placing that nation of Satan over there.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸 💪🏾
Not our fight as a Freedmen American.
Is there still an “abeed town” in Gaza, or nah?
Where exactly in Gaza? Cause I’ve never heard of that?
And I guess the black people (cause you don’t care about Palestine off the strength of you thinking they’re anti-black) in Gaza can d*e too then?
And are !srailis still putting on blackface, Native American headdresses, and binder rings in their noses while making clicking noises to mock Africans?
How are those BLM protests in !srail going?
Oh my God, thank you very much for everything you say and thank because you fair
Follow the money and there lies the truth.
Why is Hollywood so quiet about this genocide?
You know who runs HOLLYWEIRD
For the reason Shapiro put a gag order on Candace .