There's truth to that. I just want more video games that combine fun gameplay with solid visuals and performance. I will say, some people have experienced framerate issues with the Will of the Wisps tho.
@@WyvrnOnYT Yeah, WoTW's requrements might be low to lunch the game, but to have smooth experience you need at least avarage gaming pc. Im still impressed that this game is going ~smooth on Switch tho.
The thing about visuals is that Ori has more detail in art itself, but Hollow Knight's lore is in 60% taken from backround and the background also tells the story
I'm not an emotional guy, but that moment in Ori shown at 2:45 is one the most brutal gut punches a game has ever made me feel. I was devastated. I'll never forget it. And Ori's bittersweet ending left me just... processing afterwards. Hollow Knight is my favorite game of all time, but Will of the Wisps is absolutely incredible as well.
Ori's ending and Hollow knight's ending feel really similar (I'm not saying it is copied). With both Ori and the Knight sacrificing themselves to save the forest/hollow nest. Though I guess Ori will be reborn while the knight is completely destroyed
Both of these games are masterpieces and a lot of these comparisons could go either way. I think Silksong will expand on the genre even more, and will be even better than both of these games in its own ways, which is why I’m looking forward to it so much.
i feel like silk song will end up being either one of the best games in history or it could be a huge disappointment. i’m convinced that it will be amazing either way
I started Hollow Knight a couple of weeks ago, and am having a hard time getting into it. This surprised me because I've heard it is very similar to Ori and I loved Ori. But playing Hollow Knight, I often feel bored and unmotivated. I don't feel any connection to the character, and I often don't know where to go next. Part of that is because I keep putting it down to play other games. Ori, on the other hand, really drew me in. I stuck to it and completed it over the course of a few days. Like you said, the story was simple but emotional. Maybe if I watch that Hollow Knight lore video it will help.
How far into the game are you? I genuinely felt the same way because initially I struggled, the objectives weren't clear, and I was stuck on a certain part. I even dropped it for a year because I wasn't sure I would enjoy it. But after someone convinced me to return, I got past the part I was stuck on and it unlocked so much more all of a sudden. It genuinely gets so deep I felt dumb for not giving it the chance it deserved. I eventually over 100% it, so you might want to at least give it more of a chance (at least get to the 3rd boss of the mantis lords and you'll see how fun this game can be)
@@nandanvinjamury I haven't played for a while. I got wrapped up in the Yakuza series. The most recent thing I remember doing was unlocking the ability to wall jump. I'm definitely going to get back to it at some point. Maybe I'll watch the lore video first so I feel more of a connection to the story. And while I generally dislike consulting guides, maybe I'll make an exception for this game so I can spend less time wandering around aimlessly, and more time progressing. Thanks for the feedback.
@@Jayhawker2000while I advice not spoiling yourself on the story since discovery is one of the best thing about this game imo is the discovery, one advice I can offer is that buy pins to mark on your map or look at your map on places you havent been or couldn't get to because you didnt have certain abilities. HK is sorta linear up until you get the Mantis Claw (wall jump). The game lets go of you at that point and it's where players will have different paths depending on where they poke around. Most players tho will follow Hornet again to the right going thru this section that needs wall jump and into the City of Tears. HK is not as straightforward in telling you where to go unlike Ori and it's something i like better about it. Neighbouring areas are connected in some ways and it's what makes each player's playthrough unique. One way or another, you will always come back to the area again and it's truly the metroidvania experience.
I'll back up that other comment. Struggled to get into the game and after unlocking the walljump and another upgrade, I put it down for around a year. Someone pushed me to give it another try, and after just exploring for a while with an exploratory mentality everything clicked and that game became one of my favourites. What happens it that before the walljump is unlocked the game is pretty linear in its route, but after it *really* opens up.
same I struggle to get into HK, nothing about it gave me the feeling that I want to play. I think the story is the reason, i cant stand hunting for story by reading like what ER is doing which i consider to be inferior way of story telling, this is like watching a movie instead of giving me the story, it forces me to look for little clues and figure what the F I am watching.
Although I love hollow knight as a whole, Ori still beats hollow knight when it comes to the movements. Exploring and backtracking in Ori is just so fluid and far from boring, its satisfying when you unlock all the movement skills and just zoom through the map
Yeah one of my favourite things I’ve done in a game was backtracking to get 100% map completion before doing the final boss in Ori and the Blind Forest. I’m assuming WoTW will be similarly satisfying but I haven’t finished it yet so I can’t really say.
You cant compare them. Each game has their own beatiful things. But there is one aspect that hollow knight has that ori 2 doesnt have is that hk is MUCH longer to play. Also, it has multiple endings and parts like the hall of gods, where you can just replay every boss.
I prefer there only being one ending because I always get the worst ending on multiple ending games, and I don’t usually replay games especially with there being the risk that I do it wrong and get the same ending, unless I use yt tutorials which is just long
You can actually replay every boss I'm ori too, the fight against the spider was one of them. I believe you can also do every running passage again but I'm not sure about that
@@felepaopinions997you can get every ending on a single file, after you get the first ending you can keep playing to get the requirements needed for the other endings without losing any progress, hope this helps!
gotta be honest, it kinda sucks that you didn't point out that everything in hollow knight was hand drawn and hand animated by one dude. ori has great visuals yeah but hollow knight's visuals are incredibly impressive for a 3 person team
impressiveness and quality are 2 different things. while a single person creating a 98/100 is more impressive then team of 100 creating a 99/100 it still means that the team of 100 created the better product
Who cares. Ori visuals are in a league of its own and better by miles than Hollow Knight. Hollow knight looks good, but Ori is the Highest form of art.
Hollow Knight's visuals are better in my opinion, but even if you think otherwise you would still have to give Hollow Knight "the point" on visuals because they were made by one guy and Ori's were made by 80 people so you would have to think about the visuals like if Hollow Knight had 80 people on visuals would it be better than Ori's visuals and the answer is yes so Hollow Knight still wins on visuals@@20puskinas1992
I consider both of these games as masterpieces, I cant put one obove another when it comes to gameplay. Speaking of graphics and music I would choose Ori every while of my life. Don't get me wrong Hollow Knight theming and soundtrack is a masterpiece, but Ori... It's a level out of this world
I would add another category, something like, "world dynamic" or "characters" - and would give it to Hollow Knight, cause... well, the world and the characters feel more "alive" there, whereas in Ori they are more archetypical and don't have much depth. This feeling of the world was something very unique for me in Hollow Knight. To the point where I wouldn't even call it a game, per se, but something bigger. You almost have to be prepared and willing to live through Hollow Knight, which makes it hard to recommend it to casual players. And Ori is just a great game you can recommend to anyone. I guess, similar to how both Mozart and Michael Jackson are great, but in very different ways and for very different contexts. If you haven't played Outer Wilds - give yourself a treat (but don't look up ANYTHING about it)
"Ori is my favorite soundtrack in the history of video games. So, it's a tie." LoL Sorry, had to take a dig at you on that one! I wanted to talk a bit about the very different style of movement in these games and how it plays into the combat and platforming elements. A lot of people really like the tight control of HK and it's a big reason why those intricate boss fights work so well. By comparison, Ori has a much less precise and floaty acrobatic style to its movement that lends itself better to the creative platforming and dramatic escape sequences that replace boss battles in parts of the game. They feel so different that you're almost certain to prefer one over the other and they're also so central to the gameplay that this is likely to be as much of a deciding factor for the individual as elements like the soundtrack or visuals.
in my opinion they feel like two completly games, with ori feeling cinematic, fast paced with a direct story, while hollow knight is thought out, and you can grasp the feeling of decay in the kingdom even though the story is mostly hidden
Great Comparison, I would have given Soundtrack to Ori tho.What I also find exitcing is the fact that Ori and the will of the wisps was the "second part" of Ori and the blind forest and I they Made it perfect in every way. And still Hollow Knight Beat it. I think that Shows how crazy good silksong is going to be.
I loved both these games so much I had a local artist creat a beautiful acrylic painting for each one. Awesome vid, you did a great job being subjective and fair. People play both these games and you won't be disappointed.
Nice video, i can’t say much because I’ve only played hollow knight, but I’m planning on playing ori and the will of the wisps soon, so far the game looks beautiful. Also congrats on being so close to being monetized on RUclips, you deserve it
In this video, I mentioned that Ori and the Will of the Wisps is my favorite videogame soundtrack of all time. However, both games have an incredibly impressive orchestra, and no soundtrack is objectively better than the other. For the visual conversation, Ori and the Will of the Wisps is also one of my favorite games in terms of how beautiful it is, but you must understand that visuals are including graphics, performance, and art style. While Ori is the more "Beautiful game", Hollow Knight's art style is a lot more original and unique. Also, certain versions of the Will of the Wisps have framerate issues (The Switch version) Whereas Hollow Knight is absolutely rock solid across all platforms. In other words; if there were any bias included in this video, it would have been in favor of Ori and the Will of the Wisps, because I actually prefer this game on a personal level.
@@WyvrnOnYT Comparing music can't be done objectively according to you, but somehow comparing visuals is an objective thing? that seems kind of arbitrary. And what game looks like Ori 2? a lot of games did the cartoony look Hollow Knight did imo.
I really hate videos like that, because it only makes people angry and eachother. Ori fans will be angry at hk fans because you say hk is better, and hk will be angry at orin fans because they belive ori isn't better
Hollow knight is my favorite but i cant deny the INCREDIBLE movement, abilities, and art of ori. Its so smooth and fast paced that it is securely placed as a masterpiece. However, hollow knight takes my heart with the lore, soundtrack, and replayability. Its simply unmatched.
I absolutely love Ori and still choose that game over Hollow Knight. And even though I haven’t played Hollow Knight, I will absolutely admit that the combat is miles better than Ori. But that’s about where it ends for me. The emotional masterpiece of a story from Will of the Wisps, the level design, the heart stringing soundtrack, and the art of the entire game just blows Hollow Knight out of the water in those aspects. Just from the gameplay I’ve seen around RUclips, Hollow Knight looks very very fun. And I love that dark and ominous vibe it seems to have. But Ori had my jaw on the floor for 95% of my playthrough and not to mention I most definitely cried at multiple parts throughout the game. It really can’t be understated how amazing that game is, and it’s a shame that it’s not even that popular. Because if it was, we might’ve had a chance at an Ori movie which would’ve been so so so cool.
You can't just say that without playing hk, that's nonsense.. and also hollow knight's lore is far better than ori's and it's one of the best ever in video games, and hk soundtracks are not better but able to keep up with ori's. Next time play both before commenting
I love the combat in Ori. Ori combat might not be as technically nuanced, though it feels incredibly satisfyingly and impactful, especially in conjunction with the soundtrack, visuals and animation. The spider boss is just amazing.
My differing opinions: I think visuals is a pretty clear ori win. I mean, HK's artstyle might be unique in its own way, but the visuals in ori were just simply amazing. I'd give story to HK. Even though they kind of did a shitty job about telling us the story in HK, thanks to our savior Mossbag we know the storyline. Not saying ori's story is bad by any means, it's just most of the characters in ori weren't that interesting to me and I oftentimes found myself wanting to skip dialogues since they felt kinda meh and generic whereas at HK that was never the case. Soundtrack: Not differing but I just wanted to point out just how freaking brilliant the soundtracks were in both games... Thanks for the video! In summary those are both amazing games and both are one of my favorite games for sure. Have a good one y'all
Good video, but there were some points that really baffled me. The "iconic" category was basically a popularity contest. HK is more popular, so more iconic, so it won. Huh. Also you said Ori had your favorite game soundtrack of all time but still gave a tie. And saying Ori copied boss fights and melee combat from Hk? What? That makes literally no sense. Dark souls has bosses and melee combat, does that mean Hk copied those? No, it doesn't. Same for Ori. Otherwise, great video. I personally think that they are both goddamn masterpieces and deserve all they praise they can get. Edit: one more thing. I think one of the reasons hollow knight's combat is so amazing has a lot to do with how well designed its bosses are around said combat. If Ori had better bosses, it's combat would feel way better as a result. I would still give Hk the win in combat over Ori, but I think Ori's combat is hurt by it's just ok bosses. What I'm trying to say is, combat and bosses are very tightly linked. Bad combat, then bad bosses. Bad bosses, then bad combat. It's very much a dependant relationship.
That's why the iconic category only counted towards half a point. I did also say Ori and the Will of the Wisps had my favorite soundtrack of all time, but I didn't give Ori the win in that category because it's impossible to make an objective argument based on my personal preference. The Melee combat being added to Ori and the Will of the Wisps is still relevant to the discussion because of how drastic it is compared to Ori and the Blind Forest. It seems like the game tried to inch closer to Hollow Knight's gameplay. That's why I mentioned it, and I don't regret mentioning it.
@@WyvrnOnYT It is true that it is impossible to objectively say one thing is better than another based on subjectivity, and ori and Hk's ost's are no exception. I think the reason it tickled me the wrong way was because the whole video is all about deciding whether one this is better than another using subjectivity. What makes the ost's different? Not saying there isn't a difference, I just genuinely want to know why this decision was made. As for the combat, there were a lot of complaints about Blind forest's combat being pretty bad (which are all warranted, it was bad) so I think revamping the combat was always a priority with the sequel. Mossbag makes the same point in his video. The bosses one could make a case for ori taking inspiration, but I still wouldn't say that their inclusion makes ori less original than Hk in that aspect. You can't confirm that Hk got its ideas from dark souls, so you can't really do it for Ori either. Try not to take this as me just bashing on your video, I'm only voicing the negatives I thought which I now realize isn't totally constructive. There were a lot of points I agreed with, and it was a really neatly put together video. I really do love your content, I just really like discussing video games on the internet. Peace bro ❤
@@spoop7623 Yeah. I noticed I should have cleared this up in the video, but: This video is my opinion, but I base my opinion on what I think is objectively correct. So in other words, I couldn't choose either soundtrack to be better than the other because I think they are both of the same quality. Ori's soundtrack is more of my "taste" which is why it's my favorite video game soundtrack of all time, but my opinion is that neither soundtrack is objectively better than the other. So basically, this video is my subjective opinion, but based on what I think is objective, and I couldn't find an objective argument for either soundtrack, so that's why I settled that segment with a tie. I understand this comes off as confusing, and I should have done a better job at breaking it down in the intro 😅
@@spoop7623 havent played Ori, but if the shard system mentioned works exactly like the notch/charm system in hollow knight i think they did actually copy that, which isnt a bad thing. Because while Swords and Bosses are in a billion other games, the only other game that has a similar system for upgrades as hollow knights charm system is Star Wars Jedi survivor, which came out just recently.
Hollow Knight is one the best games ever made. I love the way the player has to discover the story rather than being told everything. You gradually uncover more and more pieces and it just keep getting deeper and deeper until you finally reach the true end boss and it’s just a mind blowing experience when it all finally comes together. Ori is a great game as well, but you pretty much know the story by time the opening of the game is finished.
I’ve only played Blind Forest and some of Will of the Wisps so I can’t exactly compare them to HK myself, but considering that they’re some of my favourite games ever I’d be willing to try HK at some point if it’s that good (although I don’t think the visuals in HK could EVER compare to Ori in my eyes just cause I absolutely love the aesthetic of nature in general and Ori does it so well)
Bro I played the will of the wisp and blind forest several times, and I have to admit, I really missed the story and talent tree and stuff from the first one in the second. I genuinely think ori 1 is underrated, everybody is talking about 2 but like the story of 1? The soundtrack? Both is (in my opinion) more emotional than in 2, there aren't any bossfights, that's right, but you really don't miss them in 1, and everything is handdrawn. If you asked me which one I would pick and retry from the start, I would always go with one. 😊
“For this next category we are going to talk about sequels. Ori had a sequel 5 years after it was released. Hollow Knight’s sequel… well, it’s complicated”
Ori 2 is my personal favorite game of all time, although i acknowledge that hollow knight is better as a game, but I played ori first so I just have more and better memories of playing it
I’m a huge Hollow Knight fan, but Ori is the most stunning game I’ve ever played. The visuals are mesmerising. The lore is not as complex as HK, but let me tell you this: both myself and my 8 year old daughter were in tears watching Ori’s end scene. Never felt that in a game.
I 1st saw the game around 2015 Jackcepticeye Playing I absolutely loved the game and obsessed over it. 2019 i bought the Sequel and got the Blind Forest definitive edition as well but i couldn’t play it at the time i only got to for a few mins Fast forward to 2023 I finally got to play it and continued where i left off, I Absolutely LOVED the Game, from start to finish everything else was super enjoyable and it became my most favorite game of all time ever, still is now after 6-7 months or so that i kept playing it again after i finished it, i played the Original as well “Blind Forest” it was good, but damn the Sequel really made the game 10x Better. I tried Hk after Ori blind forest and TWOTW, i was kinda part of the HK community at some point and also had knowledge about its deep lore already but never really got to play it, i enjoyed the game playing it blindly but a lot of my problems with the game on my 1st playthrough where progression and traveling, it became insanely tedious doing this things and doing it blind meant that a lot of it where me trying to figure out where i should go or what i should do that by the end i had to look things up just to progress because it got to the point that my whole run went from 26 hours which for me is long enough, the Bosses and Enemies didnt pose much of a problem tho i do loved the combat of it, it didn’t feel as good than i thought. I played the game again which i bought from Steam a Week From now, around 16 hours of playing it and about to fight the Hollow Knight after finishing a lot of the Quests and sides first, the game was a lot more enjoyable honestly, i still did some wiki on things that i forgot just to avoid a lot of downtime, and i also did some Modding with the game before i booted it up the 1st time on Steam With all of this Said Ori & TWOTW is still my Most favorite game of All time, the Combat is arguably not as good as Hk but damn its a lot more Satisfying for me, the Platforming is so damn good as well, The music… oh my god the Music is just THE BEST, the story was ok Oh and Progressing through the game Feels smooth as Butter and anything you do either it being sidequests collecting it all contributes to progressing and it never ever feels boring or Tedious AT ALL, and Finally the real reason why its my most Favorite of all Time its because of “Ori”, i cant stop obsessing about this Cute fella.
Really good Video. If I May give you a litzle advice, that epuld habe made the "Story"part way easier. You already said that hollow knight has a better lore but ori the better Story. You should just separate them completly if you ever do such a Video again. Kepp going!
Ori definately has the better soundtrack and it's visuals are far superior, I feel like using its performance on the nintendo switch as a factor in ranking visuals is a little bit of looking for an excuse to not lose hollow knignt a point. Also, personally I'd divide story into three sections: story, lore and characters, with Ori winning story, Hollow knight winning lore, and it'd be a toss up for characters, though I'd favor Ori because half of hollow knight's characters are designed to lack personality. Plus, the villains in both Ori games have really compelling stories and motivations, whereas the hollow knight itself is a nearly blank character being puppeted by a god who is, itself lacking in character.
Saying that hollow knight's characters lack of a presonality is the worst thing you can say.... hk world feels a lot more alive than ori's and every single character has a story behind him, the spirit's grave in resting grounds alone has more character than wotw and also the knight (the main character) is bland and mute because he's HOLLOW, if he talked or had any emotion it wouldn't make sense and you wouldn't concentrate as much on the story
@@MatteoTagliabue-q2r that is subjective on how you categorise personality, I think Ori has more of that. And yes, I know the protagonist having no personality is purposeful, but that doesn't change the fact they still have no personality.
@@samaron8970 the protagonist ok, but there are way more npcs and with a lot of perosnality in hk, they're even making silksong because ornet was so loved in the first game they decided to not just create a dlc but a whole game
@@MatteoTagliabue-q2r But there really aren't that many NPC's with much personality, I should admit that I haven't actually played the game, just watched a lot about it, my original comment was meant to highlight where the video was being disingenuous about Ori, and I certainly wouldn't want to do the same thing in reverse, but as far as I'm aware, most of what you encounter in hollow knight are infected, mindless husks, not to say there aren't plenty of NPC's, I know there are, but a lot of them do seem fairly one-note with noteable exceptions like Cornifer and (for better or worse) Zote. Not neccessarily saying Ori has more rich or memorable NPC's, but I do feel they're on fairly equal footing. My main point about characters was really based on the fact the Ori games have much more complex villains, the Hollow Knight is almost totally hollow as the name implies, and the Radiance is just a scorned god angry that the bugs stopped worshipping her. The DLC's may have added a good deal more, but if we include Hollow knight's DLC's then I'd say it's fair to also include both Ori games and at that point I still think Kuro surpasses Grimm.
@@samaron8970 hk plot alone makes him a better character than ori's villain, the pale king is easily better than ori's villain and also the hollow knight himself, you should try playing both games before deciding which one's better or else you'll be obviously influenced
I have a thing for a good score, so much so that despite never having played Ori and the will of the wisp, I've still listened through the entire 3 1/2 hr score at least three times now, and I've watched through the entire gameplay at least once. Love that score....
As someone who has played both to the complete full 100s of hours on each ive got to say i found ori wuite a lot more fun Edit Here: Hollow knights soundtrack is definitely better but no hate towards oris
Giving the visuals a tie is absolutely crazy its so obvious that ori2 has way bette graphics it has so insanely many details while hollow Knight looks almost copy pasted. You can also play ori in 6k that again shows that they focused insanely on graphics which could be the reason why the game itself doenst have much content because they spent so much time on the graphics. Its also obvious why ori doesnt run that good on the switch with these kinds of graphics i also dont understand the Originalty point if ur saying that metroidvania is just about taking parts from other games and you also said that its suspicious that ori2 added boss fights which is completely normal and has nothing to do with hk also the story is much more understandable and emotional in Ori 2 so that point should also go to ori. Both are great games but ori is getting to much criteria because if its length
maybe I should play both games before comparing them but, I enjoy the ori games to bits. while I completely respect the hell out of the guys that made hollow knight, there is something about how readable moves are in the game. it's just really hard for me to tell what is happening in hollow knight. in ori it is very clear to me what moves are being done and when. both the player and the enemies need telegraphed with every strike and jump. I feel like it's not the game, but the way I take it in. I also really enjoy the spyro remasters for the same reason. it's really easy for me to understand everything that's happening
Exactly ! I tried HK. And couldn’t get pass the movement and didn’t understand shit. Ori is a 1000 times more fluent and open. Game is 10/10 . Best story , music , visuals , weapons. I didn’t agree with the weapons parts. Ori has better weapons and better visuals.
Totally agree. I've play hollow knight for 180 hours and still have alot more to do and just finished ori and the blind forest after 12! Thanks for the amazing video!😀
I don't normaly like comparaison because it always make one game look bad and the other good no matter how many times you say the "loser" was good too but this video is very well done it was very cool to watch
W video I think if we compare those game with those categories, Hollow Knight is better than Ori, but I think the Ori franchise is way better than Hollow knight. Hollow knight's franchise is a single game that got updates, Ori is divided in two games, so comparing a game with the whole verse to a game with half the verse isn't really a fair fight lol In my opinion, Ori is more artistic and into platformig and HK is more into combat and deep lore. So we can't really compare those two franchises.
Thanks. I've been on the fence about playing hollow knight because I didn't want to be disappointed. My experience with Ori was a 10/10 except my fingers were tired from the escape sequences. >: So this one may have encouraged me to try and play it.
Played both. Liked both Ori games, but LOVED Hollow Knight. In fact, I also even prefer Blind Forest to WIll of the Wisps - the artistic and gameplay vision seems tighter to me, which is something that I always appreciate in a game. WotW often felt a bit of a messy game to me - trying out lots of new ideas in a competent way, but not necessarily feeling as 'special' in the execution.
If hollow knight is slightly above Ori, hollow knight wins. If Ori is slightly above, its a tie... Some of the categories were a bit one sided in favor of hollow knight imo.
Interesting and well thought-out video. This is a hard pick and for me it's impossible to choose because they have such a different feel to them. If I *have* to choose I'd say Ori while playing Ori and vice versa. My only critique is calling Ori a "he", but that's a whole other rabbit hole...
I like both games, started playing hollow knight few weeks ago and i gotta say that its hard, all that back tracking really pisses me off but thats probably my skill issue and im not gonna give up till i beat the game in the other hand ori is my favourite game as it brings back a lot of good memories from few years ago and its a good game.I gotta admit that yes hollow knight seem superior it comes down to your personal preference; if you like a dark game with incredible lore and epic fights go for hollow knight, if you want an emotional story with a vibrant atmosphere go for ori (also sorry for my bad english)
For me I like the visuals and environments alot more in Ori than hollow night. The only thing for me that's really better in Hollow knight enough for me to care is the combat.
HK is too complicated for me. Ori has better visual effect and gaming experience, such as the more convenient way to transport and the speed of action. Both are excellent games, but I will go for Ori.
Aint no way they tied on graphics bruh. Hollow knights is decent nd all, but its cartoony while Ori has a more realistic and mythical looking design which has LOTS of details
The score can end however it ends, both games are really good the only difference is clear, Hollow Knight is a very entertaining game, but Ori is a work of art.
I greatly enjoyed both games and I must say that Hollow Knight have an ambiance and great atmosphere I played it to know more and feel owsomnes of a design and atmosphere, while Ori have better platofrming gameplay for me especially in a secound game, but both games are great and awsome.
While I would recommend Ori to a general audience I would not recommend hollow knight, the difficulty will be off-putting to a lot of people that are not hard core.
honestly i love both games. i really do. but if it is a vs it has to be hk for me. ori is a amazing game. the platforming is fluid and just great and def is the better gameplay mechanic then combat. and platforming is way better then hollow knights by a long shot. though i do still love hk's platforming. the story is good if u want one that plays on your heart strings. the graphics are vibrant, colourful beautiful, i love exploring the world and i love the music. sure combat in my opinion was lacking. more so with content for it. but overall it's an amazing game. and sure has some hk features that could be ripped off but that's not here or there cuz honestly i don't really care about that much at all. could make the same argument for any game. but to me at least it does feel kinda shoved in with the combat and shard mechanics. but i love shards cuz most times i just put on stuff to make parkour more fun so i don't really care i had fun with it. for hk it's def the one i played the most and the most rememberable out of the two for me. the decrepit dark cartoony artstyle works well and the music on top of it to me is godly. ori's story tugs on heartstrings a bit but to me doesn't hold a candle to the music alone. when i play hollow knight and hear the music god it makes me feel that it wants me to feel. if a game can do that u have done an amazing job. sure i like ori's soundtrack and it is good but honestly i can't really remember. any music of the game. which isn't to say it's bad. it just wasn't that rememberable. but more then that exploring it to me is more fun, fighting is more fun with rememberable boss fights and i remember all of it. and the content in it is so much it's crazy how this is the price it is. but more then that god the story. these two games play on different themes so it just depends which one u like more but in my opinion hk is better. and i love both a lot. exploring the world and learning about it as u go with what u find on lore tablets or lore from npc's. u puzzle it together to make sense of what happened in this kingdom. what happened to these bugs who now attack u. and learning why the knight is here at all and learning more about the knight as we go on. the story isn't flat out told to us. and we as the player can make headcannons of the story of the stuff we learn. and it'll probably be accepted. it's like endings. there is no "true" ending. it's really whatever u like most. they give you the tools for a story and then u as the player can make it. and that is magical. i love stuff like that. there's nothing wrong with ori's story at all. i just like the way hk does it's story telling better and allows freedom into thinking what u wanna think it is. as long as it makes sense. as npc standpoints go i like both but again i just like hk's better. more memorable. i also think exploring hk is more fun then ori. cuz i can't really remember much from ori's world at all other then a few places. honestly both are amazing games and if u haven't played them u def should. and this is also my opinion too. it's fine if u like ori over hollow knight. nothing wrong with it at all. if ori is the type of game that hits u like hk does for me. that's great! just out of the two for me hollow knight was more rememberable and also more enjoyable and is just more of my game then ori is. i do think ori is way easier then hk. which to me ruins it a bit more so with the gameplay mechanic they put in it but eh. oh i also don't get the dark souls comparison to hk people make. the only thing they have in common is the shade where u lose ur money when u die and souls u lose when u die. and have to go back to the location u died to get it. and also it being difficult. but i just don't get it at all. i could go on and on but honestly i think i said all i needed to on this. if u read this all to the end then thanks!! i know it was long haha! anyway seeya!
I get that you wanted to give a tie in both graphics and music but come on its not even close. I get that hollow night goes for a much different art style than ori. But god. Both Ori games are some of the most beautifull games on the market EVER. And for the music part well its close like you said. But when i played Ori ( both games ) I got goosebumps like all the times. I Didnt get the same feeling with HN. But dont get me wrong I just finished my firts playtrough of HK and the music is very good. So in my opinion, Hollow Knight excels in the better categories to make a good videogame ( combat - bosses - level design and overall content) and ori excels in the artistic point of view ( visuals, music, emotions oh and platforming like you said. Its a tie Imo
I actually installed hollow knight cuz i thought it was an ori ripoff that can run on my device But after trying both i still cant choose lol i just agree with ur rating in the vid
might be weird but I liked blind forest over will of the wisps while both are really good games for me hollow knight is the best game out of the 3 while ori has some cool stuff the combat is far too easy and even platforming I felt like it never challenged me a lot while it was still satisfying subjective of course but for me challenge matters quite a lot in terms of enjoying the game as long as it is fair but ori was still a really enjoyable run with good story and fun journey for the most part I absolutely hated the worm in will of the wisps tho was genuinely about to quit after like 40 minutes of attempts as something about it just was very frustrating to me also hollow knight was a far more replayable to me
hoohoohooooo Ori got steamrolled i like this video, and uh, yeah, i forgot about how much the ori soundtrack... well it doesn't slap but it gives me the same emotions just with more swaying and less handbanging
@@infinitypeaches3329 I did listen all. I also listen from time to time during work. Plus, I am a musician. I can safely say that Ori has a better soundtrack. Tracks are better composed. More ideas, better recording, better in everything.
@@OnatGG really? I still think ori and hollow knight are evenly matched in story mode atleast, but hollow knight has much more replayability and more of an ''urge to get 112%''(atleast for me), and it also has nightmare king grimm, godhome, hall of gods, steel soul mode and all that other stuff that will stretch your playtime to atleast 100 hours. I play, or used to play sea of thieves, so I like having lots of fun content to do.
In case you didn't know already I made an updated video on this topic: ruclips.net/video/cv1MspA7-e0/видео.htmlsi=3oBDJ7mdpJx8GmHl
Ori's franchese is definietly underrated. It visuals and storytelling is something i haven't seen and something i really miss in other games.
There's truth to that. I just want more video games that combine fun gameplay with solid visuals and performance. I will say, some people have experienced framerate issues with the Will of the Wisps tho.
@@WyvrnOnYT Yeah, WoTW's requrements might be low to lunch the game, but to have smooth experience you need at least avarage gaming pc. Im still impressed that this game is going ~smooth on Switch tho.
Yeah let’s just talk about the overwhelming amount of “borrowed” content from hollow knight
@@amethyst997every metroidvania copies of eachother and that is not an overwhelming amount.
@@fawonthe 269€ xbox series s doest it in 4k 60fps or 1080p 120 fps. Very smooth
The thing about visuals is that Ori has more detail in art itself, but Hollow Knight's lore is in 60% taken from backround and the background also tells the story
I'm not an emotional guy, but that moment in Ori shown at 2:45 is one the most brutal gut punches a game has ever made me feel. I was devastated. I'll never forget it. And Ori's bittersweet ending left me just... processing afterwards. Hollow Knight is my favorite game of all time, but Will of the Wisps is absolutely incredible as well.
poor moki
I felt the same with Quirrel in Hollow Knight
Ori's ending and Hollow knight's ending feel really similar (I'm not saying it is copied). With both Ori and the Knight sacrificing themselves to save the forest/hollow nest. Though I guess Ori will be reborn while the knight is completely destroyed
Both heroes represent well their respective environment. Ori full of life and love, Knight devoid of both, like the lands which they fighting for.
@@N_Tertainment7 HALLOWnest, not hollow nest
Both of these games are masterpieces and a lot of these comparisons could go either way. I think Silksong will expand on the genre even more, and will be even better than both of these games in its own ways, which is why I’m looking forward to it so much.
i feel like silk song will end up being either one of the best games in history or it could be a huge disappointment. i’m convinced that it will be amazing either way
ori isnt a masterpiece
@@theagentbobo2162 You can have that opinion, but I will say that many people like it and it is critically acclaimed.
@@sirrylanknight39 Hopefully its great, Ill just play totk and wait and see
You still think Silksong exists?
I started Hollow Knight a couple of weeks ago, and am having a hard time getting into it. This surprised me because I've heard it is very similar to Ori and I loved Ori. But playing Hollow Knight, I often feel bored and unmotivated. I don't feel any connection to the character, and I often don't know where to go next. Part of that is because I keep putting it down to play other games. Ori, on the other hand, really drew me in. I stuck to it and completed it over the course of a few days. Like you said, the story was simple but emotional. Maybe if I watch that Hollow Knight lore video it will help.
How far into the game are you? I genuinely felt the same way because initially I struggled, the objectives weren't clear, and I was stuck on a certain part. I even dropped it for a year because I wasn't sure I would enjoy it. But after someone convinced me to return, I got past the part I was stuck on and it unlocked so much more all of a sudden. It genuinely gets so deep I felt dumb for not giving it the chance it deserved. I eventually over 100% it, so you might want to at least give it more of a chance (at least get to the 3rd boss of the mantis lords and you'll see how fun this game can be)
@@nandanvinjamury I haven't played for a while. I got wrapped up in the Yakuza series. The most recent thing I remember doing was unlocking the ability to wall jump. I'm definitely going to get back to it at some point. Maybe I'll watch the lore video first so I feel more of a connection to the story. And while I generally dislike consulting guides, maybe I'll make an exception for this game so I can spend less time wandering around aimlessly, and more time progressing. Thanks for the feedback.
@@Jayhawker2000while I advice not spoiling yourself on the story since discovery is one of the best thing about this game imo is the discovery, one advice I can offer is that buy pins to mark on your map or look at your map on places you havent been or couldn't get to because you didnt have certain abilities. HK is sorta linear up until you get the Mantis Claw (wall jump). The game lets go of you at that point and it's where players will have different paths depending on where they poke around. Most players tho will follow Hornet again to the right going thru this section that needs wall jump and into the City of Tears.
HK is not as straightforward in telling you where to go unlike Ori and it's something i like better about it. Neighbouring areas are connected in some ways and it's what makes each player's playthrough unique. One way or another, you will always come back to the area again and it's truly the metroidvania experience.
I'll back up that other comment. Struggled to get into the game and after unlocking the walljump and another upgrade, I put it down for around a year.
Someone pushed me to give it another try, and after just exploring for a while with an exploratory mentality everything clicked and that game became one of my favourites.
What happens it that before the walljump is unlocked the game is pretty linear in its route, but after it *really* opens up.
same I struggle to get into HK, nothing about it gave me the feeling that I want to play. I think the story is the reason, i cant stand hunting for story by reading like what ER is doing which i consider to be inferior way of story telling, this is like watching a movie instead of giving me the story, it forces me to look for little clues and figure what the F I am watching.
Although I love hollow knight as a whole, Ori still beats hollow knight when it comes to the movements. Exploring and backtracking in Ori is just so fluid and far from boring, its satisfying when you unlock all the movement skills and just zoom through the map
Yeah one of my favourite things I’ve done in a game was backtracking to get 100% map completion before doing the final boss in Ori and the Blind Forest. I’m assuming WoTW will be similarly satisfying but I haven’t finished it yet so I can’t really say.
@@notapplicable1112wotw is way better than the blind forest
You cant compare them. Each game has their own beatiful things. But there is one aspect that hollow knight has that ori 2 doesnt have is that hk is MUCH longer to play. Also, it has multiple endings and parts like the hall of gods, where you can just replay every boss.
holy crap I was litterally thinking the same thing
I prefer there only being one ending because I always get the worst ending on multiple ending games, and I don’t usually replay games especially with there being the risk that I do it wrong and get the same ending, unless I use yt tutorials which is just long
You can actually replay every boss I'm ori too, the fight against the spider was one of them. I believe you can also do every running passage again but I'm not sure about that
@@phl_2504you can!
@@felepaopinions997you can get every ending on a single file, after you get the first ending you can keep playing to get the requirements needed for the other endings without losing any progress, hope this helps!
gotta be honest, it kinda sucks that you didn't point out that everything in hollow knight was hand drawn and hand animated by one dude. ori has great visuals yeah but hollow knight's visuals are incredibly impressive for a 3 person team
impressiveness and quality are 2 different things. while a single person creating a 98/100 is more impressive then team of 100 creating a 99/100 it still means that the team of 100 created the better product
Who cares. Ori visuals are in a league of its own and better by miles than Hollow Knight.
Hollow knight looks good, but Ori is the Highest form of art.
Lol not really@@20puskinas1992
Then again, both are hand drawn.
Hollow Knight's visuals are better in my opinion, but even if you think otherwise you would still have to give Hollow Knight "the point" on visuals because they were made by one guy and Ori's were made by 80 people so you would have to think about the visuals like if Hollow Knight had 80 people on visuals would it be better than Ori's visuals and the answer is yes so Hollow Knight still wins on visuals@@20puskinas1992
I consider both of these games as masterpieces, I cant put one obove another when it comes to gameplay. Speaking of graphics and music I would choose Ori every while of my life. Don't get me wrong Hollow Knight theming and soundtrack is a masterpiece, but Ori... It's a level out of this world
I would add another category, something like, "world dynamic" or "characters" - and would give it to Hollow Knight, cause... well, the world and the characters feel more "alive" there, whereas in Ori they are more archetypical and don't have much depth. This feeling of the world was something very unique for me in Hollow Knight. To the point where I wouldn't even call it a game, per se, but something bigger. You almost have to be prepared and willing to live through Hollow Knight, which makes it hard to recommend it to casual players. And Ori is just a great game you can recommend to anyone. I guess, similar to how both Mozart and Michael Jackson are great, but in very different ways and for very different contexts. If you haven't played Outer Wilds - give yourself a treat (but don't look up ANYTHING about it)
"Ori is my favorite soundtrack in the history of video games. So, it's a tie." LoL Sorry, had to take a dig at you on that one!
I wanted to talk a bit about the very different style of movement in these games and how it plays into the combat and platforming elements. A lot of people really like the tight control of HK and it's a big reason why those intricate boss fights work so well. By comparison, Ori has a much less precise and floaty acrobatic style to its movement that lends itself better to the creative platforming and dramatic escape sequences that replace boss battles in parts of the game. They feel so different that you're almost certain to prefer one over the other and they're also so central to the gameplay that this is likely to be as much of a deciding factor for the individual as elements like the soundtrack or visuals.
Can’t wait till we get a sequel of this with Silksong and Ori 3
There wont be an ori 3
@@TheDavianSea The final scene of the Will of the Wisps was hinting towards a new game. You might not play as the same Ori though.
@@TheDavianSea There are some rumors and leaks, there a couple articles on it.
@@TheDavianSea nah, pretty sure the devs aren't valve
the joke is in the fact that valve can't count to 3
Ori's music still gives me chills
Hollow Knight didn't created bosses or swords, it's just a stupid point to say that they copied that
But great video
I mentioned that point in the video and make no attempt to accuse Ori of copying. In fact, I did the complete opposite.
@@WyvrnOnYT ohhh
Did u actually watched the video?
in my opinion they feel like two completly games, with ori feeling cinematic, fast paced with a direct story, while hollow knight is thought out, and you can grasp the feeling of decay in the kingdom even though the story is mostly hidden
Ori's gaming pace can be used to practice for maneuvering in boss fights on Hollowknight they compliment each other.
Did that maniac just call the path of pain "fun"?!
it IS fun
@@infinitypeaches3329 ??????????????? HOWWW ???????? HOW DO YOU PEOPLE ENJOY THAT??????
@@chadigueder1352 hk platforming is fun
Great Comparison, I would have given Soundtrack to Ori tho.What I also find exitcing is the fact that Ori and the will of the wisps was the "second part" of Ori and the blind forest and I they Made it perfect in every way. And still Hollow Knight Beat it. I think that Shows how crazy good silksong is going to be.
Wyvrn, you're making RUclips a better place
I loved both these games so much I had a local artist creat a beautiful acrylic painting for each one.
Awesome vid, you did a great job being subjective and fair. People play both these games and you won't be disappointed.
Nice video, i can’t say much because I’ve only played hollow knight, but I’m planning on playing ori and the will of the wisps soon, so far the game looks beautiful.
Also congrats on being so close to being monetized on RUclips, you deserve it
Try playing hard mode, normal mode is way too easy
I seriously don't see how Ori didn't win at the soundrack and visuals, this video was too biased towards hollow knight
In this video, I mentioned that Ori and the Will of the Wisps is my favorite videogame soundtrack of all time. However, both games have an incredibly impressive orchestra, and no soundtrack is objectively better than the other.
For the visual conversation, Ori and the Will of the Wisps is also one of my favorite games in terms of how beautiful it is, but you must understand that visuals are including graphics, performance, and art style. While Ori is the more "Beautiful game", Hollow Knight's art style is a lot more original and unique. Also, certain versions of the Will of the Wisps have framerate issues (The Switch version) Whereas Hollow Knight is absolutely rock solid across all platforms.
In other words; if there were any bias included in this video, it would have been in favor of Ori and the Will of the Wisps, because I actually prefer this game on a personal level.
@@WyvrnOnYT Comparing music can't be done objectively according to you, but somehow comparing visuals is an objective thing? that seems kind of arbitrary.
And what game looks like Ori 2? a lot of games did the cartoony look Hollow Knight did imo.
I really hate videos like that, because it only makes people angry and eachother. Ori fans will be angry at hk fans because you say hk is better, and hk will be angry at orin fans because they belive ori isn't better
Hollow knight is my favorite but i cant deny the INCREDIBLE movement, abilities, and art of ori. Its so smooth and fast paced that it is securely placed as a masterpiece. However, hollow knight takes my heart with the lore, soundtrack, and replayability. Its simply unmatched.
I absolutely love Ori and still choose that game over Hollow Knight. And even though I haven’t played Hollow Knight, I will absolutely admit that the combat is miles better than Ori. But that’s about where it ends for me. The emotional masterpiece of a story from Will of the Wisps, the level design, the heart stringing soundtrack, and the art of the entire game just blows Hollow Knight out of the water in those aspects. Just from the gameplay I’ve seen around RUclips, Hollow Knight looks very very fun. And I love that dark and ominous vibe it seems to have. But Ori had my jaw on the floor for 95% of my playthrough and not to mention I most definitely cried at multiple parts throughout the game. It really can’t be understated how amazing that game is, and it’s a shame that it’s not even that popular. Because if it was, we might’ve had a chance at an Ori movie which would’ve been so so so cool.
You can't just say that without playing hk, that's nonsense.. and also hollow knight's lore is far better than ori's and it's one of the best ever in video games, and hk soundtracks are not better but able to keep up with ori's. Next time play both before commenting
@@MatteoTagliabue-q2rlore and story are very very different things lmao
I love the combat in Ori.
Ori combat might not be as technically nuanced, though it feels incredibly satisfyingly and impactful, especially in conjunction with the soundtrack, visuals and animation.
The spider boss is just amazing.
@@MatteoTagliabue-q2r I couldn’t have worded it better myself. 🍺🗿
In Ori, when i realised i could stay in the air by jumping, then attacking, jumping again, i was blown away. Calming, visual.
My differing opinions:
I think visuals is a pretty clear ori win. I mean, HK's artstyle might be unique in its own way, but the visuals in ori were just simply amazing.
I'd give story to HK. Even though they kind of did a shitty job about telling us the story in HK, thanks to our savior Mossbag we know the storyline. Not saying ori's story is bad by any means, it's just most of the characters in ori weren't that interesting to me and I oftentimes found myself wanting to skip dialogues since they felt kinda meh and generic whereas at HK that was never the case.
Soundtrack: Not differing but I just wanted to point out just how freaking brilliant the soundtracks were in both games...
Thanks for the video! In summary those are both amazing games and both are one of my favorite games for sure. Have a good one y'all
Good video, but there were some points that really baffled me. The "iconic" category was basically a popularity contest. HK is more popular, so more iconic, so it won. Huh. Also you said Ori had your favorite game soundtrack of all time but still gave a tie. And saying Ori copied boss fights and melee combat from Hk? What? That makes literally no sense. Dark souls has bosses and melee combat, does that mean Hk copied those? No, it doesn't. Same for Ori. Otherwise, great video. I personally think that they are both goddamn masterpieces and deserve all they praise they can get.
Edit: one more thing. I think one of the reasons hollow knight's combat is so amazing has a lot to do with how well designed its bosses are around said combat. If Ori had better bosses, it's combat would feel way better as a result. I would still give Hk the win in combat over Ori, but I think Ori's combat is hurt by it's just ok bosses. What I'm trying to say is, combat and bosses are very tightly linked. Bad combat, then bad bosses. Bad bosses, then bad combat. It's very much a dependant relationship.
That's why the iconic category only counted towards half a point.
I did also say Ori and the Will of the Wisps had my favorite soundtrack of all time, but I didn't give Ori the win in that category because it's impossible to make an objective argument based on my personal preference.
The Melee combat being added to Ori and the Will of the Wisps is still relevant to the discussion because of how drastic it is compared to Ori and the Blind Forest. It seems like the game tried to inch closer to Hollow Knight's gameplay. That's why I mentioned it, and I don't regret mentioning it.
@@WyvrnOnYT It is true that it is impossible to objectively say one thing is better than another based on subjectivity, and ori and Hk's ost's are no exception. I think the reason it tickled me the wrong way was because the whole video is all about deciding whether one this is better than another using subjectivity. What makes the ost's different? Not saying there isn't a difference, I just genuinely want to know why this decision was made.
As for the combat, there were a lot of complaints about Blind forest's combat being pretty bad (which are all warranted, it was bad) so I think revamping the combat was always a priority with the sequel. Mossbag makes the same point in his video. The bosses one could make a case for ori taking inspiration, but I still wouldn't say that their inclusion makes ori less original than Hk in that aspect. You can't confirm that Hk got its ideas from dark souls, so you can't really do it for Ori either.
Try not to take this as me just bashing on your video, I'm only voicing the negatives I thought which I now realize isn't totally constructive. There were a lot of points I agreed with, and it was a really neatly put together video. I really do love your content, I just really like discussing video games on the internet. Peace bro ❤
@@spoop7623 Yeah. I noticed I should have cleared this up in the video, but:
This video is my opinion, but I base my opinion on what I think is objectively correct. So in other words, I couldn't choose either soundtrack to be better than the other because I think they are both of the same quality. Ori's soundtrack is more of my "taste" which is why it's my favorite video game soundtrack of all time, but my opinion is that neither soundtrack is objectively better than the other.
So basically, this video is my subjective opinion, but based on what I think is objective, and I couldn't find an objective argument for either soundtrack, so that's why I settled that segment with a tie. I understand this comes off as confusing, and I should have done a better job at breaking it down in the intro
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@@spoop7623 havent played Ori, but if the shard system mentioned works exactly like the notch/charm system in hollow knight i think they did actually copy that, which isnt a bad thing. Because while Swords and Bosses are in a billion other games, the only other game that has a similar system for upgrades as hollow knights charm system is Star Wars Jedi survivor, which came out just recently.
Hollow Knight is one the best games ever made. I love the way the player has to discover the story rather than being told everything. You gradually uncover more and more pieces and it just keep getting deeper and deeper until you finally reach the true end boss and it’s just a mind blowing experience when it all finally comes together. Ori is a great game as well, but you pretty much know the story by time the opening of the game is finished.
I‘m not a fan of Metroid, but i LOVE Hollow Knight and Ori. Both are really masterpieces ❤❤
So I think the only reason Hollow Knight fanboy hate Ori the second game is those spirit shards' UI and themself.
The first Ori was good but also very frustrating
The second one, omg so far I am in love, I think it's really amazing
That’s because it is…wait until you get to Luna Pools….
I’ve only played Blind Forest and some of Will of the Wisps so I can’t exactly compare them to HK myself, but considering that they’re some of my favourite games ever I’d be willing to try HK at some point if it’s that good (although I don’t think the visuals in HK could EVER compare to Ori in my eyes just cause I absolutely love the aesthetic of nature in general and Ori does it so well)
At least you won't mistake a spike for bacckground lmao
Bro I played the will of the wisp and blind forest several times, and I have to admit, I really missed the story and talent tree and stuff from the first one in the second. I genuinely think ori 1 is underrated, everybody is talking about 2 but like the story of 1? The soundtrack? Both is (in my opinion) more emotional than in 2, there aren't any bossfights, that's right, but you really don't miss them in 1, and everything is handdrawn. If you asked me which one I would pick and retry from the start, I would always go with one. 😊
Both stories sucked, but I mean, yeah. Good if you enjoyed it@@phl_2504
“For this next category we are going to talk about sequels. Ori had a sequel 5 years after it was released. Hollow Knight’s sequel… well, it’s complicated”
Ori 2 also had terrible working conditions for its developpers.
Ori 2 is my personal favorite game of all time, although i acknowledge that hollow knight is better as a game, but I played ori first so I just have more and better memories of playing it
Hollow knight path of pain platforming is something else 💀
Me who have ori and hk: i dont care
I finished ori and the will of the wisps long ago but I will beat hollow knight and come back to this video
11:35, hollow knight is not close to dark souls, it’s only called 2D dark souls because of the lore and dystopian world
I’m a huge Hollow Knight fan, but Ori is the most stunning game I’ve ever played. The visuals are mesmerising. The lore is not as complex as HK, but let me tell you this: both myself and my 8 year old daughter were in tears watching Ori’s end scene. Never felt that in a game.
I 1st saw the game around 2015 Jackcepticeye Playing I absolutely loved the game and obsessed over it.
2019 i bought the Sequel and got the Blind Forest definitive edition as well but i couldn’t play it at the time i only got to for a few mins
Fast forward to 2023 I finally got to play it and continued where i left off, I Absolutely LOVED the Game, from start to finish everything else was super enjoyable and it became my most favorite game of all time ever, still is now after 6-7 months or so that i kept playing it again after i finished it, i played the Original as well “Blind Forest” it was good, but damn the Sequel really made the game 10x Better.
I tried Hk after Ori blind forest and TWOTW, i was kinda part of the HK community at some point and also had knowledge about its deep lore already but never really got to play it, i enjoyed the game playing it blindly but a lot of my problems with the game on my 1st playthrough where progression and traveling, it became insanely tedious doing this things and doing it blind meant that a lot of it where me trying to figure out where i should go or what i should do that by the end i had to look things up just to progress because it got to the point that my whole run went from 26 hours which for me is long enough, the Bosses and Enemies didnt pose much of a problem tho i do loved the combat of it, it didn’t feel as good than i thought.
I played the game again which i bought from Steam a Week From now, around 16 hours of playing it and about to fight the Hollow Knight after finishing a lot of the Quests and sides first, the game was a lot more enjoyable honestly, i still did some wiki on things that i forgot just to avoid a lot of downtime, and i also did some Modding with the game before i booted it up the 1st time on Steam
With all of this Said Ori & TWOTW is still my Most favorite game of All time, the Combat is arguably not as good as Hk but damn its a lot more Satisfying for me, the Platforming is so damn good as well, The music… oh my god the Music is just THE BEST, the story was ok Oh and Progressing through the game Feels smooth as Butter and anything you do either it being sidequests collecting it all contributes to progressing and it never ever feels boring or Tedious AT ALL, and Finally the real reason why its my most Favorite of all Time its because of “Ori”, i cant stop obsessing about this Cute fella.
imo both Ori games have VERY polished music, visual & story & just has that perfect vibe to it yk
Really good Video. If I May give you a litzle advice, that epuld habe made the "Story"part way easier. You already said that hollow knight has a better lore but ori the better Story. You should just separate them completly if you ever do such a Video again. Kepp going!
Ori definately has the better soundtrack and it's visuals are far superior, I feel like using its performance on the nintendo switch as a factor in ranking visuals is a little bit of looking for an excuse to not lose hollow knignt a point. Also, personally I'd divide story into three sections: story, lore and characters, with Ori winning story, Hollow knight winning lore, and it'd be a toss up for characters, though I'd favor Ori because half of hollow knight's characters are designed to lack personality. Plus, the villains in both Ori games have really compelling stories and motivations, whereas the hollow knight itself is a nearly blank character being puppeted by a god who is, itself lacking in character.
Saying that hollow knight's characters lack of a presonality is the worst thing you can say.... hk world feels a lot more alive than ori's and every single character has a story behind him, the spirit's grave in resting grounds alone has more character than wotw and also the knight (the main character) is bland and mute because he's HOLLOW, if he talked or had any emotion it wouldn't make sense and you wouldn't concentrate as much on the story
@@MatteoTagliabue-q2r that is subjective on how you categorise personality, I think Ori has more of that. And yes, I know the protagonist having no personality is purposeful, but that doesn't change the fact they still have no personality.
@@samaron8970 the protagonist ok, but there are way more npcs and with a lot of perosnality in hk, they're even making silksong because ornet was so loved in the first game they decided to not just create a dlc but a whole game
@@MatteoTagliabue-q2r But there really aren't that many NPC's with much personality, I should admit that I haven't actually played the game, just watched a lot about it, my original comment was meant to highlight where the video was being disingenuous about Ori, and I certainly wouldn't want to do the same thing in reverse, but as far as I'm aware, most of what you encounter in hollow knight are infected, mindless husks, not to say there aren't plenty of NPC's, I know there are, but a lot of them do seem fairly one-note with noteable exceptions like Cornifer and (for better or worse) Zote. Not neccessarily saying Ori has more rich or memorable NPC's, but I do feel they're on fairly equal footing. My main point about characters was really based on the fact the Ori games have much more complex villains, the Hollow Knight is almost totally hollow as the name implies, and the Radiance is just a scorned god angry that the bugs stopped worshipping her. The DLC's may have added a good deal more, but if we include Hollow knight's DLC's then I'd say it's fair to also include both Ori games and at that point I still think Kuro surpasses Grimm.
@@samaron8970 hk plot alone makes him a better character than ori's villain, the pale king is easily better than ori's villain and also the hollow knight himself, you should try playing both games before deciding which one's better or else you'll be obviously influenced
9:55 The change was smooth!
I have a thing for a good score, so much so that despite never having played Ori and the will of the wisp, I've still listened through the entire 3 1/2 hr score at least three times now, and I've watched through the entire gameplay at least once. Love that score....
As someone who has played both to the complete full 100s of hours on each ive got to say i found ori wuite a lot more fun
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Hollow knights soundtrack is definitely better but no hate towards oris
I got mora theme in the head for a whole day at scool one time
That was aswsome 🤩
You should have been talking about exploration more. It is what made Hollow Knight so incredible.
Giving the visuals a tie is absolutely crazy its so obvious that ori2 has way bette graphics it has so insanely many details while hollow Knight looks almost copy pasted. You can also play ori in 6k that again shows that they focused insanely on graphics which could be the reason why the game itself doenst have much content because they spent so much time on the graphics. Its also obvious why ori doesnt run that good on the switch with these kinds of graphics i also dont understand the Originalty point if ur saying that metroidvania is just about taking parts from other games and you also said that its suspicious that ori2 added boss fights which is completely normal and has nothing to do with hk also the story is much more understandable and emotional in Ori 2 so that point should also go to ori. Both are great games but ori is getting to much criteria because if its length
maybe I should play both games before comparing them but, I enjoy the ori games to bits. while I completely respect the hell out of the guys that made hollow knight, there is something about how readable moves are in the game. it's just really hard for me to tell what is happening in hollow knight. in ori it is very clear to me what moves are being done and when. both the player and the enemies need telegraphed with every strike and jump.
I feel like it's not the game, but the way I take it in.
I also really enjoy the spyro remasters for the same reason. it's really easy for me to understand everything that's happening
Exactly ! I tried HK. And couldn’t get pass the movement and didn’t understand shit. Ori is a 1000 times more fluent and open. Game is 10/10 . Best story , music , visuals , weapons.
I didn’t agree with the weapons parts. Ori has better weapons and better visuals.
@@smokeyb321 In my opinion, its the complete opposite. But, Ori is good too. I haven’t tried it, only Blind Forest.
@@smokeyb321 the movement is literally just walk, jump, forward slash, upward slash, downward slash/pogo and spells. how do you not understand that
Totally agree. I've play hollow knight for 180 hours and still have alot more to do and just finished ori and the blind forest after 12!
Thanks for the amazing video!😀
I don't normaly like comparaison because it always make one game look bad and the other good no matter how many times you say the "loser" was good too but this video is very well done it was very cool to watch
i like both of the games and ori and the will of the wisps is my favourit game but i still see how people like hollow knight more
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I think if we compare those game with those categories, Hollow Knight is better than Ori, but I think the Ori franchise is way better than Hollow knight. Hollow knight's franchise is a single game that got updates, Ori is divided in two games, so comparing a game with the whole verse to a game with half the verse isn't really a fair fight lol
In my opinion, Ori is more artistic and into platformig and HK is more into combat and deep lore. So we can't really compare those two franchises.
Thanks. I've been on the fence about playing hollow knight because I didn't want to be disappointed. My experience with Ori was a 10/10 except my fingers were tired from the escape sequences. >: So this one may have encouraged me to try and play it.
I thanks to God for be able to play and enjoy both of this masterpieces
Well, to be fair, in ori you can take a screenshot at basically any point and frame it
Played both. Liked both Ori games, but LOVED Hollow Knight. In fact, I also even prefer Blind Forest to WIll of the Wisps - the artistic and gameplay vision seems tighter to me, which is something that I always appreciate in a game. WotW often felt a bit of a messy game to me - trying out lots of new ideas in a competent way, but not necessarily feeling as 'special' in the execution.
Lets just be real - Ori has better graphics than Hollow Knight
Hollow Knight is overall a better game, but Ori is excellent.
If you like soundstracks you need to try something like elden ring or maybe bloodborne. Those soundtracks are fire.
If hollow knight is slightly above Ori, hollow knight wins. If Ori is slightly above, its a tie... Some of the categories were a bit one sided in favor of hollow knight imo.
Interesting and well thought-out video. This is a hard pick and for me it's impossible to choose because they have such a different feel to them. If I *have* to choose I'd say Ori while playing Ori and vice versa.
My only critique is calling Ori a "he", but that's a whole other rabbit hole...
I like both games, started playing hollow knight few weeks ago and i gotta say that its hard, all that back tracking really pisses me off but thats probably my skill issue and im not gonna give up till i beat the game in the other hand ori is my favourite game as it brings back a lot of good memories from few years ago and its a good game.I gotta admit that yes hollow knight seem superior it comes down to your personal preference; if you like a dark game with incredible lore and epic fights go for hollow knight, if you want an emotional story with a vibrant atmosphere go for ori (also sorry for my bad english)
For me I like the visuals and environments alot more in Ori than hollow night. The only thing for me that's really better in Hollow knight enough for me to care is the combat.
And I’ve played both of those games hollow knight and ori the will of the wisps plus the blind forest
I think comparing these visually is like comparing elden rings graphics to loz wind wakers
HK is too complicated for me. Ori has better visual effect and gaming experience, such as the more convenient way to transport and the speed of action. Both are excellent games, but I will go for Ori.
Thank you for making this video, it awakened me to understanding how good is mora the spider’s theme?
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Ori wins in visuals. Every single frame in Ori is a wallpaper.
Aint no way they tied on graphics bruh. Hollow knights is decent nd all, but its cartoony while Ori has a more realistic and mythical looking design which has LOTS of details
Ive had a switch lite from launch but now i want to play on a bigger screen should i wait for switch 2 or just go for an oled
Is it just me but first time I saw Ori I though it was a Rayman Legends inspired game
there is just so much more depth in the music and art in hollow knight. i think music should for sure go to holow knight
Which one is harder and more challenging game between the two?
Hollow Knight is lot harder, although Ori has some challenges too.
Not only that silk song is coming out After hollowKnight soon I don’t know when but there might be a new game of moon Studios
I’ve played both several times. Hollow knight 10: ori 2
I got ori first and played it a 17 hours in like 3 days but I spent over 60 hours on hollow knight so I think it’s a clear winner
one good thing about ori is there is no annoying ass body looting after death. that shit is not fun and they should do away with it
Ori - lots of platforming
Hollow knight- Hard as fuck platforming
The ori 2 map is much larger than the hollow knight map .__.
The score can end however it ends, both games are really good the only difference is clear, Hollow Knight is a very entertaining game, but Ori is a work of art.
bruh ori was made before hollow knight
Both are also my Favorite if anyone compare its her choice but i Likes both Games.
I greatly enjoyed both games and I must say that Hollow Knight have an ambiance and great atmosphere I played it to know more and feel owsomnes of a design and atmosphere, while Ori have better platofrming gameplay for me especially in a secound game, but both games are great and awsome.
While I would recommend Ori to a general audience I would not recommend hollow knight, the difficulty will be off-putting to a lot of people that are not hard core.
Hollow knight is better in IMO but the story of ori is better and sweeter I guess you could say
Ori and the Will of the Wisps was clearly the better game. Hollow Knight was also a pretty solid game.
I loved hollow knight for it's atmosphere
I loved ori for its visuals and music 🎶
Ori: 6 - HK: 1
Ori claps.
hollow knight is such a great game but for some reason i wasnt feeling it and idk why.
honestly i love both games. i really do. but if it is a vs it has to be hk for me. ori is a amazing game. the platforming is fluid and just great and def is the better gameplay mechanic then combat. and platforming is way better then hollow knights by a long shot. though i do still love hk's platforming. the story is good if u want one that plays on your heart strings. the graphics are vibrant, colourful beautiful, i love exploring the world and i love the music. sure combat in my opinion was lacking. more so with content for it. but overall it's an amazing game. and sure has some hk features that could be ripped off but that's not here or there cuz honestly i don't really care about that much at all. could make the same argument for any game. but to me at least it does feel kinda shoved in with the combat and shard mechanics. but i love shards cuz most times i just put on stuff to make parkour more fun so i don't really care i had fun with it.
for hk it's def the one i played the most and the most rememberable out of the two for me. the decrepit dark cartoony artstyle works well and the music on top of it to me is godly. ori's story tugs on heartstrings a bit but to me doesn't hold a candle to the music alone. when i play hollow knight and hear the music god it makes me feel that it wants me to feel. if a game can do that u have done an amazing job. sure i like ori's soundtrack and it is good but honestly i can't really remember. any music of the game. which isn't to say it's bad. it just wasn't that rememberable. but more then that exploring it to me is more fun, fighting is more fun with rememberable boss fights and i remember all of it. and the content in it is so much it's crazy how this is the price it is. but more then that god the story.
these two games play on different themes so it just depends which one u like more but in my opinion hk is better. and i love both a lot. exploring the world and learning about it as u go with what u find on lore tablets or lore from npc's. u puzzle it together to make sense of what happened in this kingdom. what happened to these bugs who now attack u. and learning why the knight is here at all and learning more about the knight as we go on. the story isn't flat out told to us. and we as the player can make headcannons of the story of the stuff we learn. and it'll probably be accepted. it's like endings. there is no "true" ending. it's really whatever u like most. they give you the tools for a story and then u as the player can make it. and that is magical. i love stuff like that. there's nothing wrong with ori's story at all. i just like the way hk does it's story telling better and allows freedom into thinking what u wanna think it is. as long as it makes sense.
as npc standpoints go i like both but again i just like hk's better. more memorable. i also think exploring hk is more fun then ori. cuz i can't really remember much from ori's world at all other then a few places.
honestly both are amazing games and if u haven't played them u def should. and this is also my opinion too. it's fine if u like ori over hollow knight. nothing wrong with it at all. if ori is the type of game that hits u like hk does for me. that's great! just out of the two for me hollow knight was more rememberable and also more enjoyable and is just more of my game then ori is. i do think ori is way easier then hk. which to me ruins it a bit more so with the gameplay mechanic they put in it but eh. oh i also don't get the dark souls comparison to hk people make. the only thing they have in common is the shade where u lose ur money when u die and souls u lose when u die. and have to go back to the location u died to get it. and also it being difficult. but i just don't get it at all. i could go on and on but honestly i think i said all i needed to on this. if u read this all to the end then thanks!! i know it was long haha! anyway seeya!
Where is the metroidvania that I am making man?????' Also we are in a vc with 6 people and everyone is muted
I get that you wanted to give a tie in both graphics and music but come on its not even close. I get that hollow night goes for a much different art style than ori. But god. Both Ori games are some of the most beautifull games on the market EVER. And for the music part well its close like you said. But when i played Ori ( both games ) I got goosebumps like all the times. I Didnt get the same feeling with HN. But dont get me wrong I just finished my firts playtrough of HK and the music is very good. So in my opinion, Hollow Knight excels in the better categories to make a good videogame ( combat - bosses - level design and overall content) and ori excels in the artistic point of view ( visuals, music, emotions oh and platforming like you said. Its a tie Imo
I actually installed hollow knight cuz i thought it was an ori ripoff that can run on my device
But after trying both i still cant choose lol i just agree with ur rating in the vid
might be weird but I liked blind forest over will of the wisps while both are really good games
for me hollow knight is the best game out of the 3 while ori has some cool stuff the combat is far too easy and even platforming I felt like it never challenged me a lot while it was still satisfying
subjective of course but for me challenge matters quite a lot in terms of enjoying the game as long as it is fair but ori was still a really enjoyable run with good story and fun journey for the most part
I absolutely hated the worm in will of the wisps tho
was genuinely about to quit after like 40 minutes of attempts as something about it just was very frustrating to me
also hollow knight was a far more replayable to me
hoohoohooooo Ori got steamrolled
i like this video, and uh, yeah, i forgot about how much the ori soundtrack... well it doesn't slap but it gives me the same emotions just with more swaying and less handbanging
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graphics and music are better in ori than hollow knight
no, graphics and music are a tie in both games. they are both incredible
@@infinitypeaches3329 no, ori is better.
@@OnatGG have you listened to greenpath, city of tears, soul sanctum, sealed vessel or the radiance?
@@infinitypeaches3329 I did listen all. I also listen from time to time during work. Plus, I am a musician. I can safely say that Ori has a better soundtrack. Tracks are better composed. More ideas, better recording, better in everything.
@@OnatGG really? I still think ori and hollow knight are evenly matched in story mode atleast, but hollow knight has much more replayability and more of an ''urge to get 112%''(atleast for me), and it also has nightmare king grimm, godhome, hall of gods, steel soul mode and all that other stuff that will stretch your playtime to atleast 100 hours. I play, or used to play sea of thieves, so I like having lots of fun content to do.